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CAR TALK - HUDSON LAKE TRAILS · One on One With a Professional

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning, good morning, and welcome, welcome, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: It is time now for car Talk with Brad Dunchas
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  Speaker 2: brought to you by the Dunge's Family of Bontos. Brad,
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  Speaker 2: good to have you back and you brought friends. I
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  Speaker 2: am back, yes, then, I'm glad to be here. Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Friends.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry I just dropped a bunch of stuff I
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  Speaker 2: could have been happens. Yeah, I was just got back
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  Speaker 2: in town. This week. We went to Columbus to see body.
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  Speaker 1: He goes to school at a college out there in
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  Speaker 1: rural Ohio, a few miles from Columbus. It was great
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  Speaker 1: to see him as he finishes his freshman year in college.
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  Speaker 1: It's great, but it seems like it stopped raining for
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  Speaker 1: a minute, hopefully, and it's May finally. So that's baseball
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  Speaker 1: in Bartlesville and you get the Indians going again and
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  Speaker 1: they'll be the Dungeus Toyota Indians for the first time ever.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's that we've usually been Dunge justs Ford Indians,
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  Speaker 1: but with the rebranding, we're kind of going to take
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  Speaker 1: the team in a different direction. But that's exciting. It's
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  Speaker 1: our eighty fourth year sponsoring that team. In a row,
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  Speaker 1: which is really special. And it was an inspiration of
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  Speaker 1: my father's, our grandfather's and my friend here today, Adam
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  Speaker 1: Pratt Salo Adam, Hello, welcome to the show. And you
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  Speaker 1: had an inspiration a few years ago about building some
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  Speaker 1: trails out at Hudson Lake. I know it had been
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  Speaker 1: talked about for several years, back about ten years ago,
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  Speaker 1: but you actually brought it to fruition.
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  Speaker 3: I did. It took about a year.
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  Speaker 1: About a year of talking and planning or tell me
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  Speaker 1: about that inspiration and what the beginning was like.
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  Speaker 3: I had kind of started slowly into mountain biking, uh huh,
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  Speaker 3: and I got more and more interesting in it, and
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  Speaker 3: I always had to travel somewhere right Tall Sir or Claremore.
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  Speaker 3: And so I decided we need trails around here and
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  Speaker 3: out of lake cuts. And there's a lot of city
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  Speaker 3: property all the way around it.
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful country too.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty out there, it's remote and it's quiet, and
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  Speaker 3: so it's a perfect place to build trails. And so
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  Speaker 3: it slowly worked with the city. Had to go to
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  Speaker 3: the city council meeting, I had to go to a
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  Speaker 3: park boarder meeting. I had to go back to the
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  Speaker 3: city council had to get a contract signed with Oklahoma Mountain.
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  Speaker 1: Bike Association to protect the city a little bit and
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  Speaker 1: a liability.
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  Speaker 3: And after it took a year to get all that done,
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  Speaker 3: and then in April of twenty twenty two were cutting trails.
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  Speaker 1: Cutting trails had so and it must a bit taken
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  Speaker 1: more than you and I know, building trails is quite
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  Speaker 1: a process. Huh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fortunate. I got some people that really help out,
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  Speaker 3: that's great. And I have another retired gentleman that helps
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  Speaker 3: me with everything. And I have another gentleman that's a
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  Speaker 3: rock layer. And so you can.
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  Speaker 1: See now there's some alors out there on the trails. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's it is a rocky country we live in, so
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  Speaker 1: Stage County is yeah, that's it makes for some challenges
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  Speaker 1: for people on their bikes and they're not used to it.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose it is a you know, I like you,
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  Speaker 1: I've been increasing my mountain biking through the years.
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  Speaker 2: My family always.
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  Speaker 1: Went to Cresty, but Colorado, and there's great mountain biking
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  Speaker 1: culture there that started in the eighties and and so
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of aware of it and would do
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  Speaker 1: it up there. But there, you know, to get to Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't really think Turkey Mountain was worth the
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  Speaker 1: trip all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a nice place to ride and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But thank you so much for building one around here
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  Speaker 1: so that I can just go on the weekend too.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a great pleasure for me to discover it
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  Speaker 1: and then to hear to get to meet you and
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  Speaker 1: hear your story, I think is awesome. It's a great
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me. Well sure, well we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: more about that in a few minutes. It is great.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys don't know that are listening out there,
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  Speaker 1: it's out on Lake Hudson. We're just a few miles
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  Speaker 1: northwest of Bartlesville, out past the airport, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a beautiful area if you've not been out there,
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  Speaker 1: and it's as you said, it was approved by the city.
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  Speaker 1: And I know you've got a lot of other partners
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  Speaker 1: and people helping you do that. And maintaining trails is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it too, right, be NonStop here with
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  Speaker 1: the grass starts grill, uh huh, yeah, And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: with all the rain and stuff that brings other challenges.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So, so a couple of days ago we went
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  Speaker 3: out and looked at the trails on the east side,
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  Speaker 3: and there is water running down the trails, and water
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  Speaker 3: and places I've never seen before. Yeah, and so we
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  Speaker 3: post on our Facebook page that the trails are closed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So if that's how you find out if they're closed,
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  Speaker 2: the best way is to.
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  Speaker 3: Look, right, either I have to go out and look,
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  Speaker 3: or I have another volunteers lives only three miles away. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and you know he can if he doesn't know already,
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  Speaker 3: he could just pop over and take a look at him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and did the point there is you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to damage to the trail.
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  Speaker 3: And exactly if you're if you're have too much foot
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  Speaker 3: traffic or bicycle traffic on the wet, muddy trail, and
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  Speaker 3: the trail widens out.
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  Speaker 2: And kind of defeats the purpose.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have more erosion, and after a while
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  Speaker 3: it's just like a just a muddy, eroded rut. So
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  Speaker 3: we're always working to try to prevent that.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, we did.
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  Speaker 1: Go from everybody about a few other things and some
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  Speaker 1: stuff we have in common.
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  Speaker 2: But you used to be an auto technician, so I
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  Speaker 2: want to call that out. You know, car business is
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  Speaker 2: important my family.
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  Speaker 3: Right so yeah, I worked on cars and Chevroty dealership
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  Speaker 3: for twenty five years. Awesome, and then my wife talked
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  Speaker 3: to me in retiring and so I had to have
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  Speaker 3: something to do.
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  Speaker 2: This was your inspiration.
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  Speaker 1: Then I see that my retirement plan right in the
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  Speaker 1: bike and it probably started a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it really goes back to when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid on the bike and going to the places
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  Speaker 1: in the freedom it gave me back then.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a great thing about mountain biking, is you
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  Speaker 3: are a kid. Yeah, it says what's behind the next turn,
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  Speaker 3: which will pass the next the next hill. Yeah, watch
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  Speaker 3: out for that rock.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It is really challenging. And you built some trails out
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  Speaker 2: there that are technical enough. I think not all of
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  Speaker 2: them are really technical, but.
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  Speaker 1: Between the rocks and some of the hills, especially on
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  Speaker 1: that Blue Mountain Trail that yes, that can be. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll switch back there as you're going up. Is I've
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  Speaker 1: only made it up that a couple of times.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to get up and stay on your
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  Speaker 3: bike the entire.
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  Speaker 1: Way, Yes it is, but that's for those of you
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  Speaker 1: who haven't done that. That's one of the challenges is
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  Speaker 1: to is to do that. It's not a problem if
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  Speaker 1: you can't. I always thought it was kind of a
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  Speaker 1: good sign that you were righting the right stuff and
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  Speaker 1: that you need to keep working on it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, well, it is a great thing you've done.
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  Speaker 1: There another I saw you brought a jersey from the
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  Speaker 1: from the Tulsa Wheelman, which goes way back.
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  Speaker 2: Let's show it to the folks who were.
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  Speaker 1: Watching on on Facebook there that this is a Dungeus
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  Speaker 1: brothers Ford Superstore Tulsa Wheelman bike jersey. And this goes
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  Speaker 1: back to the when we're what era is this the nineties?
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  Speaker 3: I guess I got this jersey like in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and my father was a dedicated biker. He loved
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  Speaker 1: to run marathons and ride bike and do triathlons, and
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  Speaker 1: he sponsored the Wheelman for several years. And and that's
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  Speaker 1: that's great to see. And so you can see all
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  Speaker 1: the pinholes from the listeners on Yeah in the ol
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  Speaker 1: BD that's that's our brand.
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  Speaker 2: It was up here in Bartlesville.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome, very cool, and we love to sponsor
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  Speaker 1: things like that, I think, and your inspiration is what
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  Speaker 1: got me to get you on the show.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of the theme of the show.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like it's leadership and inspiration those changes in
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  Speaker 1: life and as you went through and retiring and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden you had to find something to do.
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  Speaker 3: It is it's been a full time project for both
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  Speaker 3: of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Revie your wife, I introduced Reva welcome Hello.
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  Speaker 2: It must have you kept him busy with us or
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  Speaker 2: change in career.
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  Speaker 4: More than I thought. Because he first came up with this,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't realize how much I would be involved in the.
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  Speaker 3: Project as well. He's doing all the physical stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I helped behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: I saw you were helping post and some of the
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  Speaker 1: closed trail messages, and I.
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  Speaker 4: Managed the Facebook page. And then there's an app called
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  Speaker 4: trail Bot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well we also post when the trails played, and
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  Speaker 2: that's really important.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because, like you mentioned, you've got a relationship
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  Speaker 1: with the Oklahoma Mountain Bike Group.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember their official Mountain Bike Associations.
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  Speaker 1: And Bike Association, and you need to have these the
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  Speaker 1: trail accessible to people. So you do that through these
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  Speaker 1: apps and things, because because people are searching for these
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  Speaker 1: I think in areas.
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  Speaker 2: And they've started to come up.
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  Speaker 1: I know we have one over in Ponca City now
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  Speaker 1: and are in Clarmore too, these trails that have been
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  Speaker 1: built by people, and it's it's pretty awesome that we're starting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is built with hand tools, not machines.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no, And now tell tell us a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about that process. What do you do first? You've got
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  Speaker 2: to first identify where you want it to go.
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  Speaker 3: So the first thing I do is is I see
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  Speaker 3: how suitable it is for a trail. I'm building the
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  Speaker 3: trails to the International Mountain Bike Association guide, okay, and
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  Speaker 3: they're big on eros and control. So on a on
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  Speaker 3: a steep hill side, the only one, the most of
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  Speaker 3: a grade that you want is a ten percent grade, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So first thing I do is I just look a
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  Speaker 3: look at the whole area, kind of get an idea
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  Speaker 3: how water flows on it, and then that dictates how
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  Speaker 3: I start to mark the trail. And then first of
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  Speaker 3: all we just we just put bright ribbons.
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  Speaker 2: Do you try to stay in the water flow or
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  Speaker 2: out of it?
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  Speaker 3: Try to stay out of it and try to minimize
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  Speaker 3: our our distance where water could be flowing. I think
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  Speaker 3: on a hillside, water's on to float no matter what,
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  Speaker 3: so I want to minimize it and make the shortest
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  Speaker 3: shortest runs possible.
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  Speaker 1: And the trails out on the east Side are really
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  Speaker 1: great because they're loops and people can can kind of
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  Speaker 1: go the distance they want and if they want to
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  Speaker 1: come back, they can take a slightly different route and
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  Speaker 1: make a big loop or figure or do eights and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to look at the whole picture, and you
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  Speaker 3: got to look at the just the area around the
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  Speaker 3: trail you want to build and make sure there's no
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  Speaker 3: water issues or steep drop offs or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: And then I'll mark the trail we proposed trail with
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  Speaker 3: ribbons and then we come through with weat eaters and
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  Speaker 3: mowers to clear a trail. And then once we've have
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  Speaker 3: that done, then foot traffic and bike traffic will creep
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  Speaker 3: it camp down.
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  Speaker 1: Does the rest Now? Is there maintenance to get it
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  Speaker 1: open for the year anything? It's kind of never closed.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, No, the trail lives forever as long
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  Speaker 1: as we keep using it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and out there, if we quit riding it today
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  Speaker 3: within the end of the summer, you probably wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: able to see it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you started, i know on the east side, and
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  Speaker 1: to build a lot of trails up most of the
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  Speaker 1: east side, and then you've now got a few on
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  Speaker 1: the west side.
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  Speaker 2: When did all that start in twenty two? You said,
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  Speaker 2: so you were building in twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: And well, we started building the spring of twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Spring of twenty two, okay, And then how did you
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  Speaker 1: get when did the stuff on the west side start?
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  Speaker 3: The west side started all the spring of twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Four A couple last year, okay, And is there I
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  Speaker 1: saw you had built maybe a new spur off of
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  Speaker 1: the top of Blue Mountain.
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  Speaker 3: Area, So yeah, there's there's a little.
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  Speaker 2: Plans to expand the trail a little more.
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  Speaker 3: Well, originally we wanted to go all the way around,
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  Speaker 3: but the issue with that is it's a mile and
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  Speaker 3: a half from the from the dam up to here
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  Speaker 3: and by the and we can we can drive on
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  Speaker 3: city property up to here on the on an old
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  Speaker 3: dirt road, but past that is privately owned and I
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  Speaker 3: don't have permission to go on any of the privately
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  Speaker 3: loaned areas, all right, And so currently you can drive
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  Speaker 3: up to here if you have a four wheel drive,
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  Speaker 3: and then you can you can take the trail to
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  Speaker 3: get up to this part of the lake. But then
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  Speaker 3: once we're up to here, we're pretty well stuck because
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  Speaker 3: this is a stream flows quite a bit and right
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  Speaker 3: which it's flowing now more than you can cross.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so i'd take bridges and defensive.
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  Speaker 4: It could take a bridge similar to the bridge of
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  Speaker 4: the Canyon Pathfinder, right, it could.
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  Speaker 3: Take something like that.
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  Speaker 2: So well maybe someday, but.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe someday, and it would it would require a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money.
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  Speaker 2: For bridges, yeah, and.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking possibly, you know, up to a million, and
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  Speaker 3: bridges were a little more a crossings. Wow, So that's
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  Speaker 3: some serious fund really, that is.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's I think we probably better start small like
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  Speaker 1: you have and and just keep building it. And because
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  Speaker 1: in the long run, it's going to kind of take it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, build over time, and more and more people
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  Speaker 1: will use it. I see, you know people as I
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  Speaker 1: really started last after we got back from Colorado last summer,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't want to stop this
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  Speaker 1: and the Pathfinder only hand does so much for you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And so I started going out there with
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  Speaker 1: my wife who likes to paddleboard, so she usually does
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  Speaker 1: that and and I go for a ride and started
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  Speaker 1: exploring it and it's been a great, great time.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I think.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to get back out there when this when
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  Speaker 1: the it dries out just a little bit yere and
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  Speaker 1: there's you know, as we've got tons of stuff going
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  Speaker 1: on around town.
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  Speaker 2: I want to take just a moment to remind everybody.
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  Speaker 1: This weekend we've got the Straight Cat Custom Car Show
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  Speaker 1: going and Dewey this is a big show. They'll have
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: all the old cars around town this weekend. It's it's
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: so cool to see see them, and they're great, great vehicles.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of really cool hot rides and.
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  Speaker 2: Music and fun out there.
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  Speaker 1: The Farmers Market opens this weekend to next weekend, We've
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  Speaker 1: got Elder Cares, the Good, the Bad, and the Barbecue
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: and Sizzland Summer series swinging to spring after that, and
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: pretty soon it'll be SunFest and and on with the
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  Speaker 1: baseball I mentioned earlier. I talked to John last night.
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  Speaker 1: He was out at the dealership and we were planning
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  Speaker 1: some of the stuff for the season and getting the
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  Speaker 1: schedule organized and going to have a Dungeus Night this year,
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  Speaker 1: and I know UKWO and will have their little night
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  Speaker 1: traditionally and.
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  Speaker 2: We give away Kevin's money. Do you have away Kevin's money?
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully you can get it all this time.
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  Speaker 1: It seems very difficult, but we're excited for baseball to
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  Speaker 1: kick off again, and there are lots of other stuff
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  Speaker 1: coming as we get going. At the dealership this week,
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  Speaker 1: we got a vehicle that would be great for trail building.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: It's a Tacoma Trail Hunter. It's the first of this
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  Speaker 1: new trim level we have, so it's got some pretty
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  Speaker 1: cool stuff lifts and a special suspension on it. It's
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  Speaker 1: got a special four x four with a trail mode
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  Speaker 1: where it goes it can, it goes extra extra well
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  Speaker 1: on trails. And it's the guys in the shop we're
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  Speaker 1: all admiring it yesterday and sending pictures to their wives
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  Speaker 1: wanting to buy it.
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  Speaker 3: So it'd make it up.
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  Speaker 2: They would make it all the way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty certain that treacherous road yeah is yes, I've
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  Speaker 1: seen that, and yeah, I think the trail Hunter would
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  Speaker 1: be good. Pretty soon later this year we should have
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  Speaker 1: a trail Hunter four runner for all new fore Runner
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  Speaker 1: that we're still just they're just trickling in right now
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  Speaker 1: and this for May. Kicking off May, we had a
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: strong April. I ended up about one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: percent of last year in our new vehicle sales, but
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the region and you know, everything is just selling really
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: fast in Toyota World. We call it turn rate, and
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  Speaker 1: over seventy percent of the vehicles on the ground are
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: in the pipeline sold in the month of April.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a really fast turning environment right now.
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  Speaker 1: And people are still asking lots of questions about tariffs,
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  Speaker 1: and it keeps evolving a little bit. We you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think, as Toyota said, they don't plan to raise prices.
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  Speaker 1: They want to keep building all their vehicles and shipping
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: them and I expect that to continue.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: That seems like a really good plan.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: So you know, it is you know, it's a kind
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: of people ask me, is it a good time to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: buy or not. I don't know that it's there's any
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: great magic to that. It should be on based on
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: your needs, but you know, certainly there are you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: prices have not really gone up yet at all. The
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: used car market is kind of rising. Used car values
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: have gone up and are strong right now. So on
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the one hand, you'll get more for your trade than
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you might have a little while ago, or and that
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: could but you know that likely continues. So I don't
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: know if I'm a good gnosticator on that stuff or not,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: but people sure are asking about it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: It's it's very topical right now.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: The other thing, you know, we'd had some Price Tower
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: news recently. I you know, folks, many folks know, I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: was the chairman of the nonprofit. They're in there for
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: for a couple of decades at the end, and it's
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I think good news that the McFarland group, it looks like,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: will be the ones that end up owning the tower.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: They're the ones who developed the Mayo Hotel and the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Triangle Building in Pasca, and I think they understand protecting
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a historic building like what the Price Tower is.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: They've reached.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: They've worked with the frankly Right Building Conservancy to respect
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: that easement that's there, that that thank goodness, Pete and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: everyone made it, made sure that easement was in place.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's been really critical and we'll we'll stand
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the test of time to help protect the tower.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And make sure that it really can be a resource
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: for us.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I you know, I know those of us who have
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: invested a lot of time and effort into that have
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: been you know, really it's been a difficult time here
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: as we've watched it be closed and not be accessible
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to people. But you know, let's hope that in the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: in the near future maybe we'll be able to go
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: in there again and and uh and uh take advantage
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of that great resource and landmark really in our community.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So go on, I want to go.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Back to Adam and the Barsville Trails at Hudson Lake.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I think one question I had was how
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: where does this go going forward? I know it's an
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: inspiration of yours. We need to somehow build some kind
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of way to keep make sure it stays maintained and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you know that it keeps going, uh to the you
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: know for a long time.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: How do we do that?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I'll be the first admit that I need more volunteers.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so what do you have work days and things?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Have you tried?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: We have had a few work days, they've they've had
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: a pretty good turnout. I need to have more of them. Yeah,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I've like to extend this down a little bit more
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: from the from the upper end, and just it's it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: almost hard to ask people to come out and walk
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: a mile and a half carrying a weed eater in
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: a in a shovel.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: The walk back.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to somehow get you know, you need
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to get people out there first of all to enjoy it,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and then they'll want to help.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I think, right, I need to improve my efforts there.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why we had John.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I know this takes your inspiration, but it really takes
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it's going to take the whole community to keep it
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: going and those all of us who are interested in it,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and that's I wanted to help help help with that. Certainly,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: maintaining the trail and keeping it going will be super
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: important to.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: One thing he's guilty of is you wake up and
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: it'll be a nice day and I think I'll go
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: work on the trails and he'll call, you know, one
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: or two guys to see if they can come out
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: and help. And you know he needs to plan ahead
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: with work days.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, non supplement it with the with your with your efforts.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: But I do think that, you know, just thinking about
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: how they do it up in Cresty. But where they've
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: got their club is from the eighties, so it's one
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: of the first mountain bike clubs I think in the world.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: They claim to be the first, but that toll it
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: does take. They do spring and fall days. Where they
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: do they really gather everybody. They they eat they you know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: they do, they get they get a mass of people
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: who use the trails. They are people typically who use
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the trails, but they managed to attract a good group
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and it has allowed them to expand the trails and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: keep them, keep them built and well maintained for a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: long time. Of course it's a tourist destination and there's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: lots of folks there, but yeah, kind of different from here,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: but we have we are our visitors and.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Visitors on the trail all the time.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not just for mountain bike. It's a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: great place to walk and really I see lots of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: families out there and people just moving around. It's right
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: by the lots of great views of the lake and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: it's really a pretty country.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: That's what point out.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: It's good for all ages too.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I mean can ride on those trails probably up to
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Blue Mountain. I don't want to tackle Blue Mountain that
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: and people can hike while someone.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Else rides and it's and you know the good thing
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: about mountain biking too is it's not really that fast
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and so we're not those bikes are you know, we'll
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: yield to the pedestrians and we all kind of work together,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and it tends to kind of be a nice community
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And you don't need to worry about the bikes that much.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: If you see us.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Laying in the dirt, just make sure we're okay.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Everyone's plight and everyone's clean, and I don't have to
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: worry about them throwing any trash out.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I haven't seen trails.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And when we're out mowing, we'll sometimes find trash. And
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: so it's really a nice place to be whether you're
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: riding or walking it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: And so I mentioned how to get out there, but
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you pretty much just go on out to the east
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: side of the airport on Sunset and and there's signs
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: from there.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: At the intersection of Sunset and and they cut some
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: road and then there's another brown sign at the entrance
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to that. They cut some park, anutter brown sign. As
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: you come into the park, there's a split in the road.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: One goes right up to.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: The right up to the hill to the where the
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: archery area is. For those who know where that is.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll hit the city up for another sign
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: for the west side.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Here shortly, is there more expansion area over the area.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: On the west side, there is plenty of expansion area.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: So this is if this map is on the City
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: of Artisville website. Okay, everything in the dark green is
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: city property. Okay, Okay, So our trails on the west side,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: we're up and here there's there's more room up here.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: It's a tough hillside.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: There's some elevation there and this is all hillside up here,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and we can probably work down to.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: To Butler Creek. But like I say, at that time,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: you're getting ways away from the car. Yeah, and it's
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: hard to get up there to maintain.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that would be more difficult area that's
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: heap to get to.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: And then so Butler Creek, it's a fairly large stream.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: It flows quite a bit at times, uh huh. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: so that's one of the areas where we'd have to
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: have a little water crossing a bridge, which would take money.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I think it's possible to raise that kind of money. Yeah,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: And I think at one time our vest and in
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the city were talking about it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So well, there was an effort. I'm one of the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Roy Pemberton, who was one of our employees that the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: dealership was a bountain biker to work for me, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: he was really into trying to get some trails started
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: out there back in the mid three teens, and there
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: was they had I think a foundation interested at one point.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether they ever made it very far
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: in that process.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Just you remember fat to our bike shop, they had
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: a proposed route on their wall down there, and then
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: they were part of you know, they had committed some
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: money to it. Yeah, but it just for some reason
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it just all fell apart and and so then installed
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: out again.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And so well, thank you for picking it back up
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and getting it started, and and uh, you know, I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: encourage everybody to head out there as the as it
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: drives out this spring and explore out there, go for
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a hike or go for a mountain bike ride. You
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you really don't need any special equipment all that much.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I'd wear a helmet and gloves are helpful.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: And wear bugspray, yeah, and stay on the trail.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's always important in these environments.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Best tick prevention there is, or tigger prevention there is, stay.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: On the trail, keep moving on your bike.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And because how ticks survive is they they live in
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the grass and the brush and when you brush up
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: against the brush, they stick to.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: You, they're gonna jump.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we'll keep them mode best that we
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: can stay on the trail.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks, thank you again for your inspiration on the trail.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: It's great to have you on the show. You and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Revi welcome you to anytime you want to come. Tell
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: us what's going on. And for sure I'll be watching
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the facebook page and people can look for the Barsville
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Trails at Hudson Lake facebook page and get more information,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: ask questions.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: There's ways to donate money.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: If you're interested through the Oklahoma Mountain Bike Association, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I know that you'll probably get some people checking it
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: out here later today. All right, great, thanks again for
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: being on the show and to all of you listening.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: It's great to be here in May, and we'll see
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you around town as we get started in this busy
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: season here. And don't forget about Eldercare is good, the bad,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the barbecue next weekend and the summer season stuff and
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: stray cats this weekend.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: And where can we find you, Brad.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: We'll be out here on the Highway seventy five at
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: nineteen eleven southeast Washington Boulevard.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Alrighty, and you can find them online at Dungeustoyota dot com.
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