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Cult Mom Lori Vallow: New Bombshell Evidence! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We all saw the headlines.
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Speaker 1: In fact, we watched the case before it became a headline.
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Speaker 1: But now even more gruesome details are emerging in the
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Speaker 1: case of cult mom Laurie Valo and her fifth husband,
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Speaker 1: cult leader Chad Day Bell as the two of them
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Speaker 1: the puppet masters, manipulating everyone around them, their scenario, their activities,
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Speaker 1: their manipulations now being laid bare in a treasure trove
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Speaker 1: of evidence just released by police. Remember everybody kept saying,
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Speaker 1: you guys are calling in and writing in, texting, emailing,
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Speaker 1: saying why isn't there and arrest? What's happening? There's JJ?
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Speaker 1: Where's Tyley? Well, now we know crime stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace of emails and texts, documents from Cultmam Laurie Valoe
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Speaker 1: to everyone around her, weaving a web like a spider
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Speaker 1: that ultimately included JJ, her seven year old Tilely, her
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Speaker 1: teen girl, husband four Charles Valo, Dave Belle's wife Tammy,
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Speaker 1: Dave Bell, and I believe others. Now, you don't have
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Speaker 1: to be a legal eagle to know that three or
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Speaker 1: four thousand documents of emails and texts important. Wait, will
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Speaker 1: you hear this? Take a listen. Newly released evidence by
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Speaker 1: Chandler Police comes after the indictment of Laurie Valo in
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Speaker 1: Maricopa County. The investigation into Laurie and are two missing kids,
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Speaker 1: JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan spanned multiple states and involved
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Speaker 1: the FBI. This photo, recovered from Laurie's e cloud account,
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Speaker 1: could be the last known picture taken of seven year
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Speaker 1: old JJ, dated on the morning of September twenty second,
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. A day later, two more photos from Laurie's
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Speaker 1: eCloud show ammunition in an Idaho gun store. Why is
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Speaker 1: that one photo of a little JJ so important because
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Speaker 1: that's how he was found. Marry, Let's go to our
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Speaker 1: cut forty nine. The emmy grabbed a small sharp instrument
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Speaker 1: and cut down the middle of the black plastic And
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Speaker 1: what did you observe? I observed a small child in
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Speaker 1: red pajamas, red pajama shirt, red pajama pants, black socks
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Speaker 1: that had the words sketchers in orange across the toes.
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Speaker 1: Also observed a light and blue blanket that had been
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Speaker 1: placed on top of them. Okay, detective, were there when
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Speaker 1: you observed what you purceived to be a child? Where
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Speaker 1: there was there anything that drew your attention? Yes, can
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Speaker 1: I describe one of who described for the court what
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Speaker 1: drew your attention the amount of duct tape that was
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Speaker 1: covering the body. You were hearing Detective Rayhrma CEO speaking
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Speaker 1: in court about the autopsy about when the people at
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Speaker 1: the scene cut open a bag and they find a
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Speaker 1: little boy in the bag, still wearing red pajamas and
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Speaker 1: black socks. Now, why is this information, this one photo
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Speaker 1: so critical, Jackie? If you would play cut fifty one
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Speaker 1: more time here hearing Justin Lum from Fox ten Phoenix.
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Speaker 1: Newly released evidence by Chandler Police comes after the indictment
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Speaker 1: of Laurie Vallo in Maricopa County. The investigation into Laurie
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Speaker 1: and are two missing kids, JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan
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Speaker 1: spanned multiple states and involved the FBI. This photo, recovered
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Speaker 1: from Laurie's eCloud account, could be the last known picture
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Speaker 1: taken of seven year old JJ, dated on the morning
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Speaker 1: of September twenty second, twenty nineteen. A day later, two
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Speaker 1: more photos from Laurie's eCloud show ammunition in an Idaho
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Speaker 1: gun store. I'm gonna circle back to that, Amma, but
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Speaker 1: first let me introduce to you an all star panel
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Speaker 1: with me. Ashley Willcott, judge Trial Law, your anchor Court
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Speaker 1: TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at panther Mitigation dot com. Author
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Speaker 1: of Where Law and Psychology Intersect Criminal Behavior. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He's a star of
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Speaker 1: the Piketon massacre on iHeartRadio. Dan Schilling a personal safety expert,
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Speaker 1: former Lieutenant Colonel US Air Force, thirty year Special Ops veteran,
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Speaker 1: and author of the Power of Awareness. And I find
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Speaker 1: that really interesting in this case because Charles Valle, God
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Speaker 1: bless him, was so wrapped up and his love for JJ,
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Speaker 1: his little boy. He kept trying and trying and trying
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Speaker 1: to get to JJ, and he ended up dead, aware
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Speaker 1: but not aware of what was swirling around him. And
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Speaker 1: right now to the news director of East Idaho News
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Speaker 1: dot Com, Nate Eton. Nate, you are the one that
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Speaker 1: first reported on this treasure trove of evidence. I want
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Speaker 1: you to explain to me the critical significance of that
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Speaker 1: one photo found and Laurie Vallo's iCloud. Well, here's JJ
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Speaker 1: Valo in the red pjs, sitting on the couch. It
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Speaker 1: looks like he's playing with a cup. This was taken
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Speaker 1: hours before police say he was killed, and his body
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Speaker 1: was later found wrapped in that plastic bag and duct
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Speaker 1: tape at Chad day Belle's property, wearing those same red pajamas,
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Speaker 1: with his mother taking this photo. It was off with
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Speaker 1: Laurie's phone, taking the photo hours before he died. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you if lightning around number one, you
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Speaker 1: believe cult mom Laurie Vala took the photo. Why, Well
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Speaker 1: that it's unknown who actually took the photo, but a
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Speaker 1: lot of these photos were taken off of Laurie's phone.
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Speaker 1: According to the police documents, this is twenty five hundred
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Speaker 1: pages of stuff taken from the cloud, photos and emails
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Speaker 1: and text messages, communication happening. Nate Eton, what's in the
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Speaker 1: background of the picture. You said he's sitting on a sofa.
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Speaker 1: Where he's sitting on a sofa? We don't know exactly where,
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Speaker 1: but it's likely that it was Laurie's townhouse. Well, I
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Speaker 1: can tell you right now. To you, Jessica Morgan, that's
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Speaker 1: going to be matched up to her townhouse. That kind
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Speaker 1: of forensic evidence you handed over to the FBI of
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Speaker 1: the state crime lab. They'll tell you where it is.
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Speaker 1: They can match the paint in the background. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you how I know this. I was working on a
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Speaker 1: case where there was a photo of a little girl
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Speaker 1: and girl was molested, molested, molested. Turns out the cops
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Speaker 1: could identify the hotel by the bedspread. You know in
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Speaker 1: every hotel they have the same pictures on the wall,
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Speaker 1: the same bedspreads, the same paint, the same everything. They
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Speaker 1: could figure out based on that photo, where, what city,
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Speaker 1: and even the date. And that's critical here because when
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Speaker 1: this goes to trial, you're gonna want to tell the
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Speaker 1: jury we believe this photo was taken on this date.
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Speaker 1: You can tell on in the iCloud at what time
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Speaker 1: and where and by whom because it's her phone. Explain
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, you're talking about connectivity with this, Nancy. Remember,
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Speaker 1: you can't take the jury about this visa. Be the
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Speaker 1: documentation that you do at when you go back to
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Speaker 1: the scene, back to that location, take the photos. If
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Speaker 1: you take a real close look, Nancy, at this photograph,
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Speaker 1: you can see a countertop there, and it looks like
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Speaker 1: it's some kind of like fax stone. Looking at it
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Speaker 1: right now we're talking is JJ and these cute little
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Speaker 1: red pajamas with looks like Hucchi trains or trucks or
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Speaker 1: something on them, and I think it says sleep Sleepy Hero,
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Speaker 1: Sleepy Hero. And he's got a cup. He looks like
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Speaker 1: he's making something. He's got a plastic cup over his
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Speaker 1: hand upside down. It looks like he's pulling something up
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Speaker 1: through it like a string. Maybe, now let's talk about
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I mean, there's enough of that
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Speaker 1: sofa I would be able to identify that sofa, maybe
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Speaker 1: even the make, model brand, the whole shebay. But back
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Speaker 1: to what you're saying in the background is a dead giveaway, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is, because that countertop is very specific. And if
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Speaker 1: this is a townhouse that was built by the same company,
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Speaker 1: you might have multiple of these and each one of
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Speaker 1: the adjoining condos or townhouses or whatever, and there will
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Speaker 1: be specific identifiers that you can tie back to this.
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Speaker 1: You can say pretty definitively that this is her place.
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Speaker 1: You got to throw pillow here. There's any number of
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Speaker 1: things and Nancy one thing that's very haunting about this
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Speaker 1: that has kind of haunted me throughout this case. Remember
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Speaker 1: what they said early on about JJ acting out of
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Speaker 1: control climbing on countertops. Do you remember that? Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: that's not what he's doing at all. No, it's not.
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Speaker 1: But if that's the same area, boy, what a marker?
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Speaker 1: And Tom and just FYI, Nate eaton that looks like
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Speaker 1: a Look at that? Doesn't that look like a rooms
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Speaker 1: to go? You know how they had the sofa and
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Speaker 1: they had the throw pillars all set out for you.
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Speaker 1: Look at that. I mean even I with an untrained
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Speaker 1: eye can figure out whose place this is, what kind
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Speaker 1: of sofa it is? Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys
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Speaker 1: were talking about about three thousand photos and doc it's
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Speaker 1: just released. I've caught mom Laurie Vallo's phone, her computer
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Speaker 1: and a lot more, and how it's going to be
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Speaker 1: used at trial when her multiple murder charges go to trial,
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Speaker 1: and her hubby number five of the cult leader, Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell, as well as she Wilcot. The significance also
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Speaker 1: other than placing him definitely in her apartment that proximity
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Speaker 1: to her, she's taking this photo he's got on pj's
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Speaker 1: that tells me what time. The iCloud will probably tell
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Speaker 1: me what time the photo was taken. But you just
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Speaker 1: heard Nate Eaton say this was just before he's gone missing.
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Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy, talk about opportunity, right, and the timeline.
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Speaker 1: And let me just tell you this, so I really,
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Speaker 1: as you do, look at the facts in the law
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Speaker 1: and here's the reality of the facts in this case.
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Speaker 1: A law enforcement has done an incredible amount of work,
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Speaker 1: and because it's an ongoing investigation, we don't know all
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Speaker 1: the details. Now that they've released these photos, we know
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Speaker 1: for a fact that they have evidence. The facts surrounding
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Speaker 1: this case are deep, and it shows she's a liar,
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Speaker 1: liar pants on fire. I'm relieved to see this information
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Speaker 1: because this is what's going to catch her. This is
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Speaker 1: what's going to prove the case against her, because not
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Speaker 1: only like you said, does it show where her children are,
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Speaker 1: but on the day that this child goes missing in
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Speaker 1: her care, right, remember, she tells all these stories. This
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Speaker 1: released information shows that she tells the nanny, oh, we've
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Speaker 1: left the children with grandparents, and the reality is the
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Speaker 1: grandparents like we haven't. I don't know where they are.
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Speaker 1: Just see, You're absolutely right. That's another point. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to circle back to you, Nate, because she's telling everybody
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Speaker 1: that JJ has gone to his grandparents. Well there he is,
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Speaker 1: based on this photo in her apartment. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to cut forty one. This is Fox thirteen News reporter
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Speaker 1: Lauren Steinbrecker. When the nanny messaged Laurie again the day
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Speaker 1: after JJ was last seen on September twenty fourth, she
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Speaker 1: responded to me that JJ was with his grandparents for
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Speaker 1: a month and that she was in Hawaii. She said
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Speaker 1: in about a month when they come back, that I
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Speaker 1: could work again. Well, once that month passed, I texted
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Speaker 1: her again around Halloween time asking if I could work.
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Speaker 1: There was no response. Oh Rexburg police have said they
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Speaker 1: confirmed Tiley never attended BYU Idaho, which was what they
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Speaker 1: say Laurie was claiming to other people. A search weren't
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Speaker 1: revealed that Laurie left behind JJ's medication in that Rexburg
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Speaker 1: town home with pills still in the bottle. They said
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Speaker 1: that medication has not been filled in Idaho. Mac do you?
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Speaker 1: Nate eight News director East Idaho News dot Com. Nate
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Speaker 1: also in that showser trove of evidence what proves JJ's
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Speaker 1: last word about what in this three thousand documents shows
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Speaker 1: Tayley's last location. It's all there, if someone will take
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Speaker 1: the time in the effort to comb through it like
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Speaker 1: we've been trying to do. I want to circle back
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Speaker 1: to the photos. Two photos and calt Mom Laurie vallis
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Speaker 1: iCloud of ammunition in an Idaho gun store. What can
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Speaker 1: we glean from that? What does it prove? Well, this
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Speaker 1: photo was taken on the day that right after the
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Speaker 1: day after the right after the day that JJ police
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Speaker 1: say he was dead but also died. If you remember,
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Speaker 1: on October ninth, twenty nineteen, Tammy Dayball got home, got
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Speaker 1: out of the car, and that somebody tried to shoot
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Speaker 1: her with a paintball gun. She was scared, she said,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing? The person ran away. Then ten
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Speaker 1: days later she dies in her sleep. Well, we now
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Speaker 1: believe police now believed that person with Alex Cox, and
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Speaker 1: that it wasn't a paintball gun, that it could have
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Speaker 1: been actually a real gun, and maybe ammunition in this
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Speaker 1: photograph was in that gun and it misfired. Wow. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I was wondering what the significance of the photos were.
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Speaker 1: And I want to circle back to you, Nate on
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Speaker 1: another thing regarding the photo of JJ, because the scenario
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Speaker 1: is that as Joe Scott Morgan was pointing out that
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Speaker 1: JJ had been crazy off the chart, climbing on cabinets,
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Speaker 1: had knocked over a photo of Christ that Colt Mom
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Speaker 1: says she had in her kitchen, and he was out
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Speaker 1: of control. But then we learn that Alex Cox comes
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Speaker 1: in and suddenly JJ seems to be sedated, and Alex
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Speaker 1: Cox leaves with JJ. Tell me about how we that's
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Speaker 1: what happened. So Laurie's friend Melanie Gibb was at the house.
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Speaker 1: She was visiting Rexburg, Idaho for the weekend. She said
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Speaker 1: that they were getting ready to report record a podcast
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Speaker 1: and that Alex comes in and JJ was kind of
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Speaker 1: draped over his shoulder like you put a toddler to
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Speaker 1: sleep or something. Melanie and her boyfriend David saw Alex
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Speaker 1: leave the townhouse with JJ asleep, and that was the
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Speaker 1: last time that she saw JJ. And the next morning,
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Speaker 1: before she left town, Laurie was telling Melanie, JJ's a zombie.
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Speaker 1: He's out of control. You know, we don't know what's
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Speaker 1: happening with him, and these days are crucial. These are
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Speaker 1: absolutely crucial. On the twenty second, you have that photo
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Speaker 1: of JJ on the couch. On the twenty third, believed
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Speaker 1: to be the last photo. On the twenty third, there's
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Speaker 1: the photos of the ammunition. Sometime in that time period,
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Speaker 1: police believe JJ's body was taken to Tad Dave Bell's
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Speaker 1: property and barry. On the twenty fourth, hours after her
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Speaker 1: boy her son has died, Laurie sends that message to
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Speaker 1: the nanny, saying, JJ's grandparents came this week. They needed
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Speaker 1: to give me a break. That's one of the interesting
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Speaker 1: thing in all of these emails, Nancy, all of them
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Speaker 1: that Laurie sends seemed to sent her around her, around her.
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Speaker 1: I needed a break, so I no longer need your services.
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Speaker 1: I wish I had more work for you to do.
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Speaker 1: I understand if you need to get another job smiley emoji.
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Speaker 1: The email that she spent two weeks previous to to
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Speaker 1: JJ's school in Arizona, she said, you know, due to
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Speaker 1: our change in circumstance, we need to suddenly moved to Idaho.
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Speaker 1: I have another job out of state, which police say
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Speaker 1: she did not. We need to withdraw JJ from school.
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Speaker 1: We need to move to Idaho. It's all all seems
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Speaker 1: to be centered around her, her emotional well being, what's
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Speaker 1: happening in her life. Well, imagine what Jesus Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: was saying about how Calm JJ looks sitting there on
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Speaker 1: the sofa in his pj's. I can tell you why
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Speaker 1: he's suddenly sedated. I'll tell you why. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut forty out of Fox thirteen. Then Nanny
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Speaker 1: says Lorie messaged her through the websitecare dot com and
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Speaker 1: she came over to Laurie's town home on September eighteenth
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Speaker 1: to meet Jane j. She explained to me how they
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Speaker 1: recently moved here from Arizona. Then Nanny said her husband
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Speaker 1: had just died of a heart attack and how JJ
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Speaker 1: doesn't quite understand the situation. Laurie's brother, Alex Cox, shot
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Speaker 1: and killed Laurie's husband, Charles Vallow in July, before Laurie,
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Speaker 1: her brother, and the kids moved to Idaho. Then Nanny
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Speaker 1: said Laurie also told her her daughter also lives in
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Speaker 1: Rexburg and is going to college. She said her daughter
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Speaker 1: doesn't like to babysit JJ without being paid, so she
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Speaker 1: wanted me to work for her occasionally. Her daughter would
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Speaker 1: come visit for dinner or to do laundry, but she
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Speaker 1: never said that she lived there with them. It appeared
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Speaker 1: only Laurie and JJ lived there. The next day, September nineteenth,
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Speaker 1: the nanny says she came over to watch Jane Jay.
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Speaker 1: She mentioned how if she got home later, to give
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Speaker 1: JJ his medicine right before bed, because it makes him
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Speaker 1: tired fast. She joked about how she liked that because
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Speaker 1: some days when he was extra tough for her to handle,
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Speaker 1: she would give him his meds and have him go
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Speaker 1: to bed early to give her upbreak crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about thousands of pieces
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Speaker 1: of evidence that had just been made public and the
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Speaker 1: cult mom Lorie Valoc center, fifth hubby, cult leader Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell, the two of them really racking up the
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Speaker 1: body count. Seven year old JJ, teen girl Tiley, the
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Speaker 1: wife of Chad day Bell who mysteriously dies in her sleep,
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Speaker 1: and the two of them cult mom and Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bell Mary. About a week later, then you've got Charles Valo,
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Speaker 1: the husband that comes over to pick up JJ and
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Speaker 1: he's shot dead. I've always thought that there is a
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Speaker 1: link between her and the death of Joseph Ryan. I'm
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Speaker 1: afraid we'll never know the truth of that. But I
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Speaker 1: want to circle back to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist
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Speaker 1: and author of Criminal Behavior, Where Law and Psychology meet.
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Speaker 1: You heard Nate Eaton at East Idaho News dot com
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Speaker 1: describing a photo of JJ Nspj's very calm sitting on
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Speaker 1: the sofa. This is just hours about I would say,
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Speaker 1: maybe thirty six hours before he's dead. Maybe less. That
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Speaker 1: photo of AMMO, I believe is going to be linked
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Speaker 1: back to other deaths, other murders. Here's my question for you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry. Why do people take pictures, incriminating pictures of
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Speaker 1: their crimes, like you know bank robbers that did suddenly
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Speaker 1: post them laying in the money. Why? Nancy, The word
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Speaker 1: that comes to mind is pride. This is clearly a
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Speaker 1: woman who is comfortable with killing, with the deaths of
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Speaker 1: loved ones, including her own children. She clearly plans this
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Speaker 1: because she's making up these stories ahead of time to
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Speaker 1: explain the disappearance of her kids. And then takes the
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Speaker 1: photo of the ammunition, which makes me think the photo
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Speaker 1: in the pj's and the photo of little JJ on
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Speaker 1: that ride all by himself it is an indication that
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Speaker 1: these are souvenirs. This is a way to pat herself humberful.
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Speaker 1: I am, and we've seen that also with for instance,
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Speaker 1: serial killers that keep mementos of their crime victims. They
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Speaker 1: may keep underwear or a photo or a piece of jewelry,
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Speaker 1: and ye years and years when the case is finally
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Speaker 1: solved those mementos. Like you and I would keep ticket
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Speaker 1: stubs or our prom photos, they find mementos of the
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Speaker 1: dead people, the victims. Guys, I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut fifty four more on his
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Speaker 1: treasure trove of evidence you're going to be hearing about
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Speaker 1: at trial linking cult mom Laurie Vallo and her husband
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell to murdyrs. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at CBS five. Chandler PD just released more than
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Speaker 1: two thousand emails, along with photo evidence linked to the
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Speaker 1: investigation into Laurie Vallo. New details traced the timeline back
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Speaker 1: to before authorities told the public that Laurie's kids, JJ
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Speaker 1: Valo and Tylie Ryan were missing. Investigators recovered this photo
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Speaker 1: from Laurie's iCloud account, possibly the last picture taken of
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Speaker 1: seven year old JJ on the morning of September twenty second,
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, the last day he was seen on the
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Speaker 1: twenty third. Two more photos of ammunition in Idaho gun
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Speaker 1: store detectives pulled from Marai Cloud. On October eighth, Lorie
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Speaker 1: flew from Idaho into Phoenix Masa Gateway, while investigators say
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Speaker 1: her brother Alex Cox tried to shoot Tammy Davil the
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Speaker 1: next day. Chad Davil's first wife would end up dead
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Speaker 1: a little more than a week later. Chandler Pde says
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Speaker 1: Lourie flew back into Idaho immediately after the death. Within weeks,
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Speaker 1: she and Chad got married in Kawaii. Straight out to
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Speaker 1: Nate Eatnyasidaho News dot Com Nate, the ammunition photo may
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Speaker 1: also link that to the murder of Charles Valo. How
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Speaker 1: well it could have been the same ammunition that Alex
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Speaker 1: Cox used when he said he thought Charles in self
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Speaker 1: defense even before all of this, Nancy, what we've learned
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Speaker 1: from these new documents is Charles was pleading with Maurie
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Speaker 1: to get involved in her son's life and his life.
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Speaker 1: His family says he was crazy, crazy in love with Marie,
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Speaker 1: and there's an email where he basically Laurie's banished, Laurie's disappeared.
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Speaker 1: We know now that she was having an affair with Chad.
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Speaker 1: But in this email, Charles says, you have not had
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Speaker 1: contact with us for thirty eight days. Your son misses you.
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Speaker 1: Please be his mother, and he lays out everything Laurie
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Speaker 1: He's done, and he ends the email with I'm going
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Speaker 1: to take action and continue to take care of JJ
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Speaker 1: because I'm not getting any response from you. I have
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Speaker 1: no other choice. You've taken away all his family here.
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Speaker 1: It makes us both really sad and I really hurt
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Speaker 1: for him. You're his mother. He misses you. Please agree
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Speaker 1: to see your son. So here's this father pleading with
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Speaker 1: JJ's mom get involved in his life. And then when
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Speaker 1: she suddenly does appear, we know now that she was
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Speaker 1: planning with her brother Alex to kill Charles. And back
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Speaker 1: to the ammunition photo. Yeah, it's very possible that maybe
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Speaker 1: that's the same type of ABBO they used with Charles
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Speaker 1: and it worked. So they were sending the photo later
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Speaker 1: on in September saying maybe we should use this for
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Speaker 1: Tammy's death. I'm wondering about showing premeditation. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to do in this case.
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Speaker 1: But the sad reality is that husband number four, Charles Valo,
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Speaker 1: told police he felt that he was in danger and
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Speaker 1: that JJ was in danger. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut forty five. This is ABC's GMA Charles Valo, the
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Speaker 1: now deceased husband of Laurie Valo, speaking to Gilbert, Arizona
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Speaker 1: police in January of last year's note here, she lost
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Speaker 1: her reality. We've done at a great marriage. All of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, the last my blog just blew up. In
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Speaker 1: this body camera video obtained by ABC News, Charles accuses
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Speaker 1: his wife of behaving erratically, withdrawing large amounts of money,
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Speaker 1: even threatening to kill him. I will kill you because
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Speaker 1: you're not Charles, and nobody will care. Okay, so she
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Speaker 1: at this point doesn't think you are her husband's He
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Speaker 1: takes seven. Nick Schneider, I have no idea the name
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Speaker 1: she used. I don't know where it came from. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm as bewildered as you are. Authorities
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Speaker 1: issued an order for Laurie to receive a mental health evaluation,
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Speaker 1: but according to a police report, when she visited officers
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Speaker 1: the next day, she was allowed to drive herself to
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Speaker 1: the hospital with a friend, and the officers wrote. During
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Speaker 1: my conversation with Charles, I found his demeanor to be
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Speaker 1: strange for a person in his circumstances. He seemed more
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Speaker 1: concerned with asking questions about the legality of financial withdrawals
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Speaker 1: Laurie had made than her alleged incoherence. Well, I don't
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Speaker 1: know about that, because take a listen to our cup
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Speaker 1: forty three. This is the actually actual body kim footage
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Speaker 1: of cops as Charles value pleased to them about his
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Speaker 1: and his son's safety. What's going on tonight? I can't
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Speaker 1: get in touch with kids. How old are your kids?
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Speaker 1: Six and a half and sixteen? Okay? How long have
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Speaker 1: you been trying? Two days? Okay? But she she lost
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Speaker 1: her mind out of the house to say it, where lds.
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Speaker 1: She thinks she's resurrected, being in a kind of a god.
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Speaker 1: And remember one hundred and forty four thousand. She's come
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Speaker 1: to Jesus is coming next year. She took all the
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Speaker 1: money out of her bank account. Today my truck had
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Speaker 1: gone from the report. She went the airport and got it.
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Speaker 1: I just flew in from Houston from Dallas, Houston, Dallas,
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Speaker 1: So truck I don't know because a friend of mine
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Speaker 1: truck and picked me up. I went to the CSI
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Speaker 1: to follow report, which is good security bridges or something
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Speaker 1: bid a report. So you did you did? You did
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Speaker 1: the petitions? Yeah, they order to pick up Okay, what
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Speaker 1: time did you do do that? Okay? So what makes
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Speaker 1: her a danger to herself and to others? Threatened they
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Speaker 1: murder me? Kill me? She threatened to murder you? Yes,
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Speaker 1: straight out to Dan Shilling, safety expert, former Lieutenant US
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Speaker 1: Air Force, thirty years special ops veteran and author of
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Speaker 1: the Power of Awareness, and you can find him at
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Speaker 1: Dan Shillings Books dot com. Dan Shilling, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here. You say, someone with the awareness
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Speaker 1: to tell cops she's threatened to kill me, but yet
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Speaker 1: he goes into the situation to try to get his son. Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know part of the problem for someone like Charles
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Speaker 1: in his position, he's very close to what's happening. He's
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Speaker 1: emotionally invested, as any father or husband or spouse would
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Speaker 1: be when their spouse goes off the rails, but prevents
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Speaker 1: something more catastrophic from happening. Usually takes places onto periphery,
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Speaker 1: and I think in this tragic Stories case, it's the
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Speaker 1: sister in law and the grandmother who are listening to
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Speaker 1: their intuition. They're telling themselves something is wrong, and they
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Speaker 1: reach out to the law enforcement authorities as well. But
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Speaker 1: what you really need to do in order to sort
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Speaker 1: of head these things off is listen to that intuition
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Speaker 1: and then ask those questions, you know, do we really
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Speaker 1: have a problem here. It's a deliberate question to ask
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Speaker 1: because it allows you to then say, okay, not how
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Speaker 1: do I manage this problem that's sort of incrementally getting worse,
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Speaker 1: But we have a problem here, and then you can
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Speaker 1: take action and make plans to sort of engage others
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Speaker 1: to save these lives that were tragically lost. And that's
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Speaker 1: where people fall short is listening to their intuition. Listening
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Speaker 1: to intuition, everything went completely out of control. We've called
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Speaker 1: Mom Laurie Valoe crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about thousands of pages of documents and evidence, photos, emails,
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Speaker 1: texts that I've just been released that support the indictment
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Speaker 1: I've called Mom Laurie Valoe in multiple murders now, including
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Speaker 1: that of husband number four, Charles Valo guys, I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to our cut forty two.
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Speaker 1: This is NBC Twels Michael Dudna speaking. It's a nine
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Speaker 1: one one call and the fight when my brother in
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Speaker 1: law shot him. Defense calm, emotionless Alex Cox calling nine
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Speaker 1: one one on a hot July day from a Chandler
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Speaker 1: home sparsely decorated except for Charles Value's body and a
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Speaker 1: bat on a living room floor. Is here breathing. I
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Speaker 1: can't tell are you? Are you willing to go over
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Speaker 1: to him in check? Sure? Cox telling police he shot
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Speaker 1: his brother in law after breaking up a fight between
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Speaker 1: Charles and his estranged wife Lourie. After Lourie left, Cox
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Speaker 1: initially claimed Charles attacked him with a bat, hitting him
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Speaker 1: on the head, so he went to his room, got
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Speaker 1: his gun and eventually shot his brother in law. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's he's not moving. But this is just the start
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Speaker 1: of the mystery, as five months later, Cox turns up
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Speaker 1: debt with both deaths still under investigation. But do you,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton Howeswes this call? This is bodycam footage where
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Speaker 1: they're speaking to cult Miles's brother. How does that fit
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Speaker 1: in with the new evidence that we have obtained that
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Speaker 1: shows that Cultma Laurie Valo and brother Alex Cox let
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Speaker 1: Charles Valo lie there and bleed out for forty three minutes.
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Speaker 1: And when is it that Cultma Laurie Valo goes to
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Speaker 1: Burger King. I guess murdering her husband made her hungry
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Speaker 1: and shopping for flip flops right after Charles was shot.
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Speaker 1: According to the documents, Alex shot Charles. Laurie then takes
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Speaker 1: JJ out to Burger King and to Walgreen's, and then,
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, forty three minutes later, the police are called.
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Speaker 1: Alex didn't just shoot him once in self defense as
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Speaker 1: he claimed. He shot him once, and then when Charles
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Speaker 1: fell to the floor and was lying on the floor,
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Speaker 1: he shot him again. And that the you know clincher here,
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Speaker 1: I guess you could say is that he if it
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Speaker 1: wasn't self defense, you would think he might shoot once
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Speaker 1: and take off from the house. But now we know
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Speaker 1: that that that isn't the case. And meanwhile, Laurie goes
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Speaker 1: dark after all of this. She doesn't have any communication
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Speaker 1: with the grandparents. And in these new text messages that
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Speaker 1: we received in these documents, you've got the grandmother sending
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Speaker 1: her a message saying are you all okay? Just days
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Speaker 1: after Charles died. She wants JJ to be able to
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Speaker 1: come to his father's service, but Laurie would not let him.
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Speaker 1: JJ wasn't able to go pay final respects to his dad.
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Speaker 1: Grandma says, are you all okay? I'm worried. Please just
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Speaker 1: send a text? Did you see the fight? I tena
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Speaker 1: rays are you good with it? Kisses from JJ? Kisses
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Speaker 1: for JJ from me and Papa. And Laurie responds, sorry, yes,
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Speaker 1: we are okay. Been busy. I've never received an email.
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Speaker 1: We have to do some figuring out. JJ won't be
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Speaker 1: able to go to Louisiana next week. We're moving back
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Speaker 1: to Hawaii a SAP. Send me the address that you
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Speaker 1: want me to send the ashes to for your memorials.
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Speaker 1: I'll also send a box of things for Cole and Zach,
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Speaker 1: Charles's other sons if you could give it to them,
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Speaker 1: that would be great. Thanks. I mean, there's no emotion there.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome, you know I noticed that? And do you
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Speaker 1: actually Willcott? You'll have a field day with this chord.
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Speaker 1: Because Alex Cox is speaking, he shows no emotion whatsoever
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Speaker 1: about the day guy, right, absolutely no When you watch that,
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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable to me. He's just just sitting and not
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Speaker 1: doing anything and no big deal. It is the most
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Speaker 1: bizarre but best evidence, because remember, let's talk about what's
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Speaker 1: going to happen in trial. All of these pictures, all
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Speaker 1: of this evidence, all of these videos are going to
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Speaker 1: come in not only approve the elements of the crime
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Speaker 1: of murder, but also, Nancy us you well know, to
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Speaker 1: show motives. The jury's gonna want to know why. They're
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Speaker 1: gonna show all of this to show she killed everybody
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Speaker 1: in her way from her perspective, Nancy, I have to
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Speaker 1: say one other thing. I didn't want to jump in,
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Speaker 1: but I have to comment. If you notice on the
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Speaker 1: photos recently released from her eye class, they are all posed,
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Speaker 1: They're perfectly centered. There is a photo of Tyley Ryan
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Speaker 1: and Laurie Balowed day Belle that is contained in those
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Speaker 1: documents with the beach behind them in the water, perfectly posed.
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Speaker 1: There is a picture from Marie's phone that shows JJ
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Speaker 1: Balows sitting on a ride at Yellowstone Bear World. Not
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Speaker 1: only is he the only one on the ride, it's
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Speaker 1: perfectly centered. This photo of him on the couch on
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Speaker 1: the day that he was last seen. Most likely it's
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Speaker 1: perfectly taken, and it's honest, like he's perfectly posed playing
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Speaker 1: with something in his hands. It creeps me out that
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Speaker 1: all of these photos to me looked posed to doctor
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Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz joining US forensic psychologist and author of Criminal
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Speaker 1: Behavior way In, Doctor Sherry, Well, I agree that the
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Speaker 1: photos seem to be posed there. I do believe I
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Speaker 1: agree with you wholeheartedly, Nancy about the mementos, but not sentimental,
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Speaker 1: because these are clearly attachment to people, people who are
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Speaker 1: close to them. So when you have something like this
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Speaker 1: that I think helps fuel the evidence for the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: that this was planned. These people were in the way,
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Speaker 1: and day Bell and Valo are very comfortable with killing
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Speaker 1: people or having people killed, who are in their way,
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Speaker 1: who are interfering with whatever life it is that they
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Speaker 1: have imagined for themselves. It's chilling to me. Jessica MORGANA, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know the fact that these moments in tom are frozen,
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Speaker 1: I think is striking because it's almost, Nancy. The bizarre
35:55
Speaker 1: thing about this is almost like they have left a
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Speaker 1: trail of bread crumbs every where they have gone. I
36:01
Speaker 1: think some people would want to paint these people as
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Speaker 1: master criminals, but yet in their wake, they have left
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Speaker 1: a lot of forensic evidence behind, documenting everything that they did,
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Speaker 1: and not just what they did, but where they were
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Speaker 1: at specific times. That's why I agree with you that
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Speaker 1: there is going to be a tremendous amount of evidence
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Speaker 1: it's going to come out at trial in this case,
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Speaker 1: Dan Shilling, I don't think there was anything that the
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Speaker 1: children JJ entirely could have done to protect themselves from
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Speaker 1: their own mother. But what's your takeaway with me, Dan Shillings,
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Speaker 1: author of the Power of Awareness at Dan Shilling books
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Speaker 1: dot com. What do you make of it? Well, the
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Speaker 1: safety lesson really is, you know, for the children, as
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, Nancy, it's impossible for them to parse out
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Speaker 1: where threats might come from because all they know when
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Speaker 1: their children is this is my normal life. This is
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Speaker 1: light as it's supposed to be. But you know, really
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Speaker 1: it's for everybody else who is involved in the situation,
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Speaker 1: who has a stake in these children and their well being.
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Speaker 1: You know, the safety lesson is you don't wait for
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Speaker 1: law enforcements to reach out. You have to take that
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Speaker 1: step yourself, because personal safety can't be delegated. So it
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Speaker 1: goes back to these people who see something happening. The
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Speaker 1: necessity to take action is really it's driven by these
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Speaker 1: things that are they're human, they're innate. It's that back
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Speaker 1: to intuition and understanding your situation and being aware of it,
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Speaker 1: but tapping into that and not overriding it. That's the
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Speaker 1: common mistake people make in the modern era is they
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Speaker 1: override their intuition because we don't need it to survive
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Speaker 1: till tomorrow morning, as we our ancestors did thousands of
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Speaker 1: years ago. So it's to our detriment to not take
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Speaker 1: those steps. And that's where all of us can walk
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Speaker 1: away from this with something that we can utilize to
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Speaker 1: take care of the other people in our lives where
37:58
Speaker 1: we see a problem. Wow, that's very insightful, Dan Shilling,
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Speaker 1: you know to you, Nate Eton, I've been pouring through
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Speaker 1: the documents that we've been able to see what do
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Speaker 1: you consider to be the most explosive or probitive in
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Speaker 1: other words, that proved something information evidence, So we were
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Speaker 1: saved from this data dump. Well, I think one of
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Speaker 1: the major things police are going to be looking at
38:23
Speaker 1: is why Alex Cox was booking flights to Columbia. That
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Speaker 1: was an interesting new tid that we had not heard before.
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Speaker 1: He was going back and forth to Columbia. We also
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Speaker 1: have multiple multiple phones that Maury was using behind the
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Speaker 1: scene burner phones at least six numbers that she was using.
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Speaker 1: And we also have the a live stream camera that
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Speaker 1: was set up in Hawaii. Remember when everybody was saying,
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Speaker 1: what's happening with Chad and Maury, what are they doing? Well,
38:52
Speaker 1: they were in Hawaii and police that set up a
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Speaker 1: phone or a camera right when they got there, and
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Speaker 1: they were monitoring their every move and for days there
39:00
Speaker 1: was no movement outside of their rentals Fondo, which was interesting.
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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder what they were doing, how they
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Speaker 1: were coming and going. The fascinating thing to me, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is this is one agency that released these documents and
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Speaker 1: a lot of them were redacted, probably thirty three percent
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Speaker 1: were redacted. What do all the other agencies have? What
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Speaker 1: does the FBI have that they haven't released? What are
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Speaker 1: the authorities in Idaho have that they haven't released? This
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Speaker 1: is the Chandler Police Department, and you've got four or
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Speaker 1: five other agencies. Imagine what we will know when this
39:32
Speaker 1: all comes out. We wait as this heads to trial.
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Speaker 1: Cult mom Laurie Valo, her fifth husband Chad day Bell,
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Speaker 1: cult leader, stewing in the pot together Nancy Gray Crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye, said