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Player Maturity & Trevor Lawrence Expectations | Huddle Up · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: J B.
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  Speaker 1: Shadwick, John Oser from the Honday Studios at the Miller
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  Speaker 1: Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks joining us as always
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  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. It's the final week of OTA's Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: and we are that close, that close, about a week
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  Speaker 1: away from the end of the offseason program.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were saying with that Thoes, we're almost
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  Speaker 3: time for mandatory minicamp.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that's what you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were ratcheting up the energy and excitement
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  Speaker 3: because I see, John, you don't need to ratch it
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  Speaker 3: on the prospect of doing it.
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  Speaker 4: If you ratchet it up anymore, it would be chaos
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  Speaker 4: around here for the energy and excitement. That's that's how
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  Speaker 4: exciting these practices are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they are very exciting. I mean, what are
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  Speaker 2: we learning? What are we learning? What do we learn?
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  Speaker 5: John? God, Please, we'll start with you with John.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I get and hammering it. And I know I
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  Speaker 4: was gonna say even JP's tired of hearing it, but
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  Speaker 4: he's always tired of hearing me talk about stuff. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what we're learning. I mean, it's uh, you
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  Speaker 4: get a good vibe from the quarterback. You get a
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  Speaker 4: good vibe from what they're saying about the quarterback. He
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  Speaker 4: looks in control, he looks confident. He also looks like
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  Speaker 4: you still with a baseball cap on. So I can't
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  Speaker 4: sit here and tell a fan who asks me at
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  Speaker 4: the dry cleaners this morning, how are they looking? You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm disingenuous if I say they're looking great. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know either doing the right things to prepare. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know how I to tell you how they're looking. I
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  Speaker 4: think Brenton Strange and Tank Bigsby look like guys who
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  Speaker 4: have been through a second year workout program. They look good,
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  Speaker 4: they look in shape, they look ready. I've been watching
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  Speaker 4: them a little bit because I think they're good players
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  Speaker 4: that could be completely soaking wet if they don't look
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  Speaker 4: good in pats.
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  Speaker 5: Come on, yeah, and what are we learning?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the more important thing is what
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  Speaker 1: are they learn, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: New scheme and new coordinator and some new pieces on defense,
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  Speaker 1: and like they've talked about putting different players in different positions.
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  Speaker 1: This is the time of year to try that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing, to see what they might.
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  Speaker 5: Have to offer.
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  Speaker 1: Come training camp. So for me, it's about what they're learning,
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  Speaker 1: not what we're learning.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's a little bit of all of
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  Speaker 2: that in play.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's just important just to get them around
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  Speaker 3: to see him, to give them kind of the introduction
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  Speaker 3: to orientation. So that training camp you can hit the
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  Speaker 3: ground running and you can kind of wrap it up
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  Speaker 3: a little bit to see who can handle all the information,
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  Speaker 3: who can take that and play fast, who can add
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  Speaker 3: the physicality that you want. But you're right, you want
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  Speaker 3: to keep it in perspective, no doubt what they do
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  Speaker 3: for OTAs.
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  Speaker 4: All that's important and jps are every win on the air.
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  Speaker 4: If you are new to this, if you are uncertain
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  Speaker 4: about anything, this is this is a terrific time. You
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  Speaker 4: know what this is? In college when teachers had review
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  Speaker 4: right before exams, you'd to either just to make sure
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  Speaker 4: you know what's going on. But if you're but if
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  Speaker 4: you're an a student and you've been studying all semester, you're.
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  Speaker 5: Good to that good point. Let's hear from the head coach.
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  Speaker 1: He would be the teacher, I guess in this instance
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  Speaker 1: on the development of the team.
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  Speaker 6: This time of year, this is the time of the
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  Speaker 6: year where it's about development, it's about teaching, and it's
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  Speaker 6: about the fundamentals. And I don't think so much that
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  Speaker 6: we're tinkering with a lot of things, but at the
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  Speaker 6: same time developing our young players, seeing what you have
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  Speaker 6: and can they handle, you know, playing getting snaps with
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  Speaker 6: Let's say it's a young offensive lineman, can he get
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  Speaker 6: the reps with the starters or a d lineman can
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  Speaker 6: he get the reps with you know, your starters the
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  Speaker 6: secondary guy. So if there's any tinkering that goes on,
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  Speaker 6: that's probably where it's at right now with the personnel
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  Speaker 6: and the growth and developing those young players.
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  Speaker 5: So there you go. That's the head coaches perspective on
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  Speaker 5: what this is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, you know, get off the line
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  Speaker 1: on time and run the right way for an offensive lineman, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably what you're looking at right now.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, I mean it's good if you can see.
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  Speaker 5: It because you're not going to be blocking anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I'd be blocking aybody. You don't want to be
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  Speaker 4: blocking anybody. There's no one on one pass rush. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you want to make sure that these guys know what
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  Speaker 4: they're doing and they're sure when things get going, uh
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  Speaker 4: in August, I have a question for the Scout.
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  Speaker 5: All right, I can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I love it. I love questions.
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  Speaker 4: How and I mentioned bigs being strange and there's good
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  Speaker 4: people to talk about this week as anybody. What can
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  Speaker 4: they be bucky and how important I think Britain Strains
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  Speaker 4: has a real chance to be complimentary to Evan Ingram
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  Speaker 4: next year and I Tank has a real chance to
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  Speaker 4: be complimentary. How important is it that they are complimentary
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  Speaker 4: guys at those spots and can they be that? Am
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  Speaker 4: I just none?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean it's really important.
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  Speaker 3: So the biggest jump that most NFL players make in
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  Speaker 3: terms of their improvement is from their first to their
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  Speaker 3: second year. It's an opportunity that they're able to take
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  Speaker 3: what they experience as rookies spend the off season working
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  Speaker 3: on some of the things that they need to work
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  Speaker 3: on obviously, like their body strength, power, explosiveness, and enhance
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  Speaker 3: and upgrade their I would say expertise in terms of
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  Speaker 3: what they're doing that should result in better production, better
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  Speaker 3: performance in an elevated role. It's very important for both
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  Speaker 3: guys that they are able to handle a more prominent
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  Speaker 3: role on offense. Tank needs to be able to compliment
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  Speaker 3: and basically replace Travis at the end at times as
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  Speaker 3: the lead horse in the backfield seventeen game season. You
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  Speaker 3: don't want Travis to heavy workload where he's worn down
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  Speaker 3: by the end of the year. That second running back
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  Speaker 3: needs to be a big part of the offense. He
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  Speaker 3: needs to be able to log six to eight carries
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  Speaker 3: a game.
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  Speaker 2: He needs to have maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Ten to fifteen plays a game to keep Travis fresh
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  Speaker 3: for Strange.
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  Speaker 2: Strange needs to be the second ten.
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  Speaker 3: He needs to be the guy that jumps onto the
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  Speaker 3: field in twelve personnel and allow the Jaguars to present
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  Speaker 3: a different look to the defense, while also alleviating some
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  Speaker 3: of the pressure on Evan Ingram to be the one
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  Speaker 3: man show at tied end.
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  Speaker 2: Both of these guys need to play.
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  Speaker 3: Because they were picked at spots that you expect them
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  Speaker 3: to be core players. Picking the second third round, you
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  Speaker 3: need to be able to play, You need to play well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the expectation they need to be key contributors this season
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  Speaker 3: based on their draft status.
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  Speaker 5: What was it was strange last year? Bucky?
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  Speaker 1: Was it just the overwhelming physicality of it? I mean
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  Speaker 1: that was kind of his mL coming in, he was
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  Speaker 1: going to.
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  Speaker 5: Be a blocking guy.
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  Speaker 1: You could pull him, you can lead him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and he just didn't have a lot of that.
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  Speaker 3: No, he didn't have a lot of that, But you
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  Speaker 3: also can say he didn't really have a lot of snaps.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't have enough to kind of do it.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the conversations that the Jaguars had in the offseason,
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  Speaker 3: it was about the alignment, the alignment between the coaching
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  Speaker 3: staff and the front office in terms of, hey, we
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  Speaker 3: bring the players, but we got to play the players.
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  Speaker 3: We can talk about the team not being developed, not
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  Speaker 3: developing the young guys, but the only way they get
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  Speaker 3: developed they got to play, and you got to play them.
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  Speaker 3: You got to live through some of the groin pains
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  Speaker 3: to allow them to get to the other side, because
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  Speaker 3: you want those guys to be ready, and you need
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  Speaker 3: those young guys to be ready, not just as backups,
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  Speaker 3: but eventually they have to play more prominent roles as
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  Speaker 3: you're building the team, particularly with Trevor Lawrence on the
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  Speaker 3: verge of getting paid. These young players have to play
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  Speaker 3: because you need young, cheap labor with great production to
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  Speaker 3: be able to sustain a team that wants to compete
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  Speaker 3: at a.
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  Speaker 2: Playoff level each and every season.
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  Speaker 1: Another big topic this weekend for this time of year,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about instruction and you know, the classroom being
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  Speaker 1: very important, but certainly is for the special teams groups.
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  Speaker 1: This year, Heath Farwell, the special teams coordinator, well and
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  Speaker 1: every coordinator and special teams in the NFL have new
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  Speaker 1: rules to contend with on kickoffs, and Heath Farwell visiting
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  Speaker 1: with the media earlier this week on the changes.
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  Speaker 7: We're still using the same techniques and that's what I'm
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  Speaker 7: telling our players is we're still using the same techniques. However,
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  Speaker 7: you still have a complete different blocking schemes. There's way
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  Speaker 7: different angles and different situations of how do you get
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  Speaker 7: to these blocks when they're only five yards away from
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  Speaker 7: each other? And so I'm learning every day. You know,
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  Speaker 7: we do a kickoff or kickoff return period. The very
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  Speaker 7: next day, I have Okay, guys, here's some new stuff
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  Speaker 7: we gotta do. Here's the coaching point I got for you.
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  Speaker 7: This is what I've learned. And I have players coming.
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  Speaker 7: I have great players that have great information. They say
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  Speaker 7: coach is a little tougher to get to. What do
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  Speaker 7: you think about this great love it but we're exploring everything.
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  Speaker 7: My assistant Luke Thompson and I have really looked into
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  Speaker 7: it a ton and even you know, a couple weeks ago,
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  Speaker 7: we had a former Jaguars spash teams coach, Jody Camilis,
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  Speaker 7: who is a mentor of mine and a brilliant guy.
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  Speaker 7: I had him come down here and vet it and
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  Speaker 7: kind of look at it, and you know, he liked
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  Speaker 7: a lot of it, but also gave us some good ideas,
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  Speaker 7: try this and what do you think about this? And
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  Speaker 7: so while I'm trying eating, I can to give these
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  Speaker 7: guys as much information, learn as much as I can,
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  Speaker 7: so come training camp or ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: So they've had the scout kickers all off season and
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  Speaker 1: now some rule changes on kickoffs as well, so the
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  Speaker 1: full plate for the special teams coaches and the players
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  Speaker 1: who have to go execute that Bucky. So we're kind
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  Speaker 1: of on the front end of this. Still, we'll really
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  Speaker 1: start to figure this out, I think when some live
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  Speaker 1: football is played and there are some real time reactions
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  Speaker 1: in game.
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  Speaker 3: So what's really interesting about the special teams thing, and
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  Speaker 3: everyone is focused on the kickoff stuff, is just hearing
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  Speaker 3: a different reaction from special teams coaches around the league,
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  Speaker 3: So everyone believes it can be a big boom or
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  Speaker 3: bus play, but no one has ever seen how people
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  Speaker 3: will operate and do it. So there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: experimentation that has taking place over the course of OTA's
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  Speaker 3: in the offseason. To me, it's fascinating because I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to figure out what level player.
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  Speaker 2: Do you put in the back end.
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  Speaker 3: We have Devin Durviney, but other teams are talking about
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  Speaker 3: putting their prominence. Our people talking about Tyreek Hill going
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  Speaker 3: back there, other people going to the back. How do
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  Speaker 3: you handle the front line because there's a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a deficiency in terms of the number of guys coming
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  Speaker 3: down versus the number of blockers.
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  Speaker 2: Who is going to be the weak link?
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  Speaker 3: How do you double team because double teams have always
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  Speaker 3: been a big part of the return game, Well, this
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  Speaker 3: appears to be one that singles up. So can you
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  Speaker 3: fudge it where you can kind of get a double
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  Speaker 3: team to create a bigger hole.
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  Speaker 2: It is going to be a huge area. I think
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  Speaker 2: you can see big returns.
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  Speaker 3: You can see field position flipped as one that requires
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  Speaker 3: a little different skill, not in hang time, but in
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  Speaker 3: ball placement, and you have to have some very athletic
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  Speaker 3: guys on both sides of the return to either produce
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  Speaker 3: a big return or to make sure you get these
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  Speaker 3: skill guys down.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to overplay this because I'm not
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  Speaker 4: a believer that it's a third of the game. I'm
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  Speaker 4: more along the lines of it's about a fifth of
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  Speaker 4: the game. It's important, but there's not as many special
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  Speaker 4: teams plays as there are there are other plays, so
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  Speaker 4: beyond that, beyond that debate, I just wanted to tweak
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  Speaker 4: Buddy Bucky a little bit because he, you know, a
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  Speaker 4: special teams guy. But it is fascinating. It's fascinating in
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  Speaker 4: this sense. I've been following this game since I was
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  Speaker 4: a kid, which is a long time ago, and there's
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  Speaker 4: never been a situation where one of the phases where
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  Speaker 4: you line up completely just changes all the rules and
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  Speaker 4: how it does it. There's been tweaks of rules in
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  Speaker 4: the seventies. They tweaked things in seventy eight for more passing,
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  Speaker 4: but it still looked the same. You know, they change
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  Speaker 4: bump and run, they changed certain penalties to open it up.
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  Speaker 4: But this is the most dramatic change in scheme that
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  Speaker 4: any group of coaches has ever had to address in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL going into next season where when they kick
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  Speaker 4: off the preseason, Bucky, there is zero guys on any
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  Speaker 4: of these teams except there's any XFL guys. They've sort
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  Speaker 4: of done it, but there's nobody within the institutional knowledge
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  Speaker 4: of how this is going to look, how it's going
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  Speaker 4: to feel. And as Heath and Douglah talked about it, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure every special teams coach in the league is talking
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  Speaker 4: about it. You're gonna have people maybe tearing up their
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  Speaker 4: plan week one of how they were going to approach this. Whoa,
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  Speaker 4: look what Denver did, That's what we're doing, guys. So
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  Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like this, buckycause nobody has.
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  Speaker 2: Now nobody has.
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  Speaker 3: And look, there's gonna be a lot of creativity that
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  Speaker 3: is used. There's going to be a lot of trial
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  Speaker 3: and era And you're right, John, it may not be
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  Speaker 3: figured out until week eight or nine of the regular season,
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  Speaker 3: but imagine how many games can be decided on the
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  Speaker 3: faux pas and mistakes that take place in the kicking game.
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  Speaker 2: It is one where you're trying to find that advantage.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, just in looking at it from Afar
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  Speaker 3: and just trying to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: How do you get the double team.
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  Speaker 3: Like every kickoff return that I've ever done has always
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  Speaker 3: been about trying to set a double team somewhere and
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  Speaker 3: to give you a lead blocker as you're running through
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  Speaker 3: the hole. Well, how do you create that. Who's the
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  Speaker 3: weak link that you identify on the kick coverage unit?
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  Speaker 3: Does the kick coverage unit change which guy's gonna pop
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  Speaker 3: out and be the safety? So someone that you have
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  Speaker 3: earmark to get blocked he drops out. So now you're
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  Speaker 3: wasting a blocker on someone that's a non cover guy,
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  Speaker 3: So that frees somebody else up to ear hole the returner.
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  Speaker 2: All of those things the little game within a game
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  Speaker 2: will be interesting to look at.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say this, if you can put the
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  Speaker 3: ball out to the thirty to thirty five yard line,
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  Speaker 3: the odds of the offense scoring goes up dramatically. I
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  Speaker 3: think this puts the special teams coach back into the mix,
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  Speaker 3: and it puts the returner back into the game. And
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  Speaker 3: for me, that is good to see because it will
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  Speaker 3: be a big part on how games are deciding.
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  Speaker 1: Let's come back in a moment and get into the
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence contract discussion.
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  Speaker 5: John, I know you talked to a quarterback this week.
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  Speaker 5: We'll talk to quarter We'll get to that in just
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  Speaker 1: of course around the Jaguars is the ongoing negotiations between
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars for a contract extension. Trevor
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence speaking with the media this week after the first
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  Speaker 1: practice of the week and what could be his final
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  Speaker 1: media appearance of the off season program.
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  Speaker 5: We'll get to that coming up.
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  Speaker 1: But Trevor Lawrence asked about the ongoing talks.
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  Speaker 8: I'm aware of what's going on, but I try to
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  Speaker 8: keep my focus on, you know, doing my job out here.
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  Speaker 8: You know, I have full belief that that'll take care
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  Speaker 8: of itself, and that's not something that I need to
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  Speaker 8: worry about, you know. That's why I pay people and
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  Speaker 8: hire people to do that for me. So that's not
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  Speaker 8: my job. But you know, obviously I know what's going on.
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  Speaker 8: I'm aware of the situation. I think that's important too,
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  Speaker 8: But yeah, I try to keep all my focus and
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  Speaker 8: energy on being the best player I can be to
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  Speaker 8: help us win. Is it important for.
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  Speaker 7: You to get done before camp or before the season
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  Speaker 7: or at all?
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  Speaker 4: Do you have any timetable at all?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I think that would be That would
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  Speaker 8: be ideal, you know, just to put it behind us
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  Speaker 8: and keep moving and feel good about that going into
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  Speaker 8: training camp. But either way, like I've said before, I
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  Speaker 8: had the same job, so you know, I can't always
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  Speaker 8: control all those factors, but I have the same job
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  Speaker 8: to do either way. But yeah, I mean I would
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  Speaker 8: of course, that'd be ideal is to get it done,
• 16:36
  Speaker 8: you know, as soon as you can and kind of
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: move forward.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Mark Long of the Associated Press with the question in
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: between there, John, you sat down with Trevor little.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Uh what yesterday? I guess what was that Tuesday?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: So a day after this conversation with the media, Trevor
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: sat down with you.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: How long did it go? How to go? What's his mood,
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: what's the feel?
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: And we probably talked about twenty minutes, and we talked
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: something about the cond Uh. Maybe a couple of questions
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: were focused on that. I didn't dwell on it because
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: there's not much that a player in that situation is
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: going to say. What I did gather from him is
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: it's it's uh, if you can put yourself in his shoes.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: He expanded a little bit on it, and he said, look,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think about it all the time, but during
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: this time of year, when you're on the phone with
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: your agent talking about it, you do take it very
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: seriously because it's very important. It's he didn't say quite
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: like this, but you know, it's the money that will
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: define his life in a very real sense. You know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's a huge deal now with him. If
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: it happens not to get done next season, I don't
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: think it's a problem. I'm just sort of thinking more
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: if you can sort of close your eyes, and wouldn't
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: we love this JP to close our eyes and put
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: ourselves in that conversation. Hey, hey, JP, you're either going
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: to get sixty guaranteed or fifty five. Yeah, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: and then you would be, you know, making plans and
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: nobody wants to know about by the way, So just
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: sort of how that at times must consume you a
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: little bit. That's said. I think it's getting done before
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: training camp, so I think it would be a problem
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: of Overall the conversation, it was good. He was a
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: little more open than he was the last time we
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: did this, which was last year. I think the biggest
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: takeaway I had was some of the stuff that he
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: has said on the podium about how focused and how
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: driven the team is right now. You know, I feel
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: about OTAs focused and driven whatever, But there was something
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: in his voice along the lines of knowing that they
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: need to set a tone. He said, Look, we all
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: know what OTAs are, but the focus, there's limit how
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: much it can be seen on the field. But you
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: get the idea that there's a core of veterans on
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: this team, young guys who are growing up now. Evan Ingram,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Christian Kirk, Trevor all the guys we've talked about year
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: three in Doug Peterson's system, they're more professional. They know
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: what they need to get done this time of year.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: They know what happened last year can't happen again. All
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: that stuff. He enunciated it better than I did, which
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: is why I had him on and wasn't just me
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: talking about it. But I think that's real. I do.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I did sense a real focus and a real maturity
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: from this core that I think will matter a lot
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: next year. And Bucky, I guess that's what you would
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: expect to hear, but I thought it was significant.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is significant.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I love what Trevor has said about the contract stuff
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: or whatever it look it weighs over top of him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of pressure for him to get the
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: thing done so he can just focus on playing the game.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And look, the money is significant and they'll eventually find
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: a way to get to a middle ground because it
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: the JAG's best interest to get the done, the deal
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: done sooner rather than later, because the cost is only
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: going to continue to go up.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: For Trevor.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Once he has the security knowing that the contract is done,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: then he can focus on playing ball, and he's kind
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: of been a lightning rod of criticism over the course
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: of the offseason because there are people that are outraged
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: at what the number is going to be based on
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: what he's accomplished, what the team is accomplished or not accomplished.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: With him at the helm.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: But I think what you're doing if you're the Jaguars,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: you're betting on the player. You're betting on the guy.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: You're betting on who he is, what he's meant to
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: the team, how he interacts with his teammates, what he
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: does in the locker room, and what he's shown and
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: flashes on the field. Once you get that done, it
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: allows you then to build the team around around him.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Knowing what the number is. Love the chemistry and the
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: continuity that they have in place. But there's be a
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: lot of pressure on this Jaguars offense to perform. They
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: have to perform at a higher level than they did
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: last year. And look whether Press Taylor, Doug Peterson, whoever's
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: calling it. They got to find a way to make
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: the pieces of the palls of work.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I guess I would ask fans and observers who in
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: this discussion, I try to avoid the discussion when I'm
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: out JP.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: It's just, well, you're a people person, John.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I'm a people person. Certain people. Ask yourself this, JP,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: and as Bucky as well. If you don't re sign Trevor,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: what's the alternative, you'll blow it up and start over.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, you've got a guy that you know. I
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: think you know what the floor is. I think the
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: floor is really good. I don't know what the ceiling
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: is yet. I don't I don't know if the ceiling
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: is mahomes, but I know that the worst is not
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: bad and not bad at all. And so I've used
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: this analogy probably on this show before. I don't know
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: what Trevor's going to be, and I know they're law
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: is that he has to correct. I also don't want
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: to be standing in the parking lot waving goodbye when
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: he drives away for the last time. No, because then
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I go back inside the building
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: and I'm trying to find another one. And I assume
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: you think I'm onto something there.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Butt, And as much as I would love the team
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: to be off, we just go and draft one. We've
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: seen the challenges that teams have had and trying to identify.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: A franchise quarterback.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Trevor Larrence may not have been what we wanted him
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: to be when we looked at him coming out of Clemson,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: but he certainly hasn't been a fly for a bus.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: He certainly has done enough to merit continue to be
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars quarterback. And the cost of doing business is
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the cost of doing business. When it comes to marrying
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: a quarterback and you pay him, you put it to
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: bed come, you become comfortable with the number, and then
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: you do everything in your power to put the pieces
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: around him that would allow him to play at a
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: high level. Because what we have seen, when the quarterback
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: plays at a high level, the team plays at a
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: high level and get into the tournament and it gives
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: you a chance. And I have tried to encourage people
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: to think about it this way.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: If Trevor Lawrence is on the field with Pat.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Mahomes or Josh Allen or any of the other notable
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks that are regarded as elite, do you feel like
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: you have a chance at the game turns into a shootout?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: And if you feel like you have a chance, then
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you stroke the check. If you don't, then you have
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: to try and find somebody else, but they're not many
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: of those quarterbacks that come along, and you have to
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: be comfortable going through an extended drought without a quarterback
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: if you move on from to me. That's why it's
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: a no brainer to get it done, because.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: It's easier to ask some pieces.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: To elevate him at the level that he is than
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: to think about doing it all over again.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: JP, you know why it's the huddle up with Bucky
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Brooks and not the huddle up with John Aser because
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: of that answer right there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, if you think you can stay in
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: the game with the best and the end of the field,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: then you stroke the check.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Which they have by the way, he's proved and he's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: beating Josh Allen already and hung in with the Chiefs
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and a tight playoff game.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that's that's surprisingly great answer.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Buck Well, Well, that's good John. I appreciate. I appreciate that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Like it's really as simple as can you close your
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: as an envision the confetti falling on Trevor Lawrence's shoulders
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: because of the way that he played in the Super Bowl.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: If you can do that, then then you do it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: If you have a tougher time imagining him being a
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: guy that can do that, then you can't write that
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I feel really good about this team.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I believe things have sun swung so far.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: In the other direction that the Jaguars are underrated and
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is undervalued. Uh, this would be a great
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: opportunity for him to kind of right those wrongs and
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: show the football world that, look, he is much better
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: than he's given credit for and this team is much
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: better than people are expecting it to be going into
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: next season.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: One final thought of this for you go, Jake No.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: I never getting ready to wrap up, and I said,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: on another show is on today, but I think it's
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: it's here. The last three games Trevor was healthy were
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Tennessee here, Houston there, and Cincinnati before he got hurt. Right,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: did you feel like they were gonna beat Cincinnati before
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: he got hurt that night? I thought, I mean yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: and that he was a huge reason they were going
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: to do it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Sure, I.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: As much as c J. Stroud as the flavor of
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: the month, and deservedly so, was c J. Stroud absolutely
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the best quarterback on the field that day in Houston?
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure he was. I mean, you know, Trevor
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Lawrence played really well that day. He had one of
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: his best games against Tennessee out here too. Point being,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: I get you gotta play hurt, you gotta play through
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: injuries whatever. Before you bury the kid. Remember what he
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: was last year before he got hurt. Remember they were
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: thirteen and three going into that Cincinnati game in the
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: last sixteen games. When they give him this contract, it's
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: not because there's not reason to do so.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Traditionally, the final OTA, the tenth out of ten, is
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: usually canceled for some kind of team bonding. We'll see
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: if they do that again this time. It has been
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: paintball in the past, it's been bowling in the past,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and I think in one instance one former Jags coach
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: actually did all ten OTAs no big deal, let's just
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: practice and be done with it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: It's a long time ago.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Next week mandatory mini camp. But you know what, a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: lot of the veterans might not be around John. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that's been Doug Peterson's MO the last year or so.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: If there's good attendance in the offseason program up to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that point, a lot of those guys will not be
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: made to come, most likely for the mandatory mini camp.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: You'll see a lot of rookies here. You'll see a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: lot of younger players, maybe guys who haven't been around
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: as much in the offseason program.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I think Doug will get I'm not breaking me newsy.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: I think Doug will get through the end of OTA nine.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Whenever that is breathe a sign of relief that the
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: veteran cores knock on wood is healthy and say I
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: don't want to see you guys the end a training
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: camp and be ecstatic if they're healthy, ready, whatever. He
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: won't bring back anybody for the mandatory mini camp. On
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: that front, it would be rookies. But the things approach
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: makes sense. These rookies have such a tough time anyway
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: getting acclimated, get the veterans out of there, have three
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: more days of guys who need it, and then get
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: out of here for the summer.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Sounds like a plan to me, Bucky.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: It sounds like Doug is on the John knows you're playing.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: In terms of getting the team ready to play. This
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: kind of cut a short. Sweet you guys go and
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: start vacation. We'll get to it when we need to
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: get to it in training.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Camp and so that's fine.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Look, but at the end of the day, the number
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: one thing that you wanted to have come out of,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: like what his off season program or training camp. You
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: want everyone that's your earmarked to have a prominent role
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: to be healthy and if you get through that knock
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: on wood, it gives you a chance to get the
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: season off to a good start.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: So you're right, even though I love Ots.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: There's Bucky Brooks, the ot A lover in Los Angeles,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again next week. It's our
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: last show of the of the off season program until
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: training camp.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Bucky next week.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, So i'ma be just like the best.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm kicking up dust and trying to knock off
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: the rust when I get back to training camp.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: But we got one more and then what But.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: It's mandatory next week.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that's Bucky Brooks. John Ozier, I'm JP Shaddick.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Brent Reaver and Joe Fortunado, and thanks to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast.