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Barbara Bound Bound Banger Management Fantasy Hockey
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podcast. Woo wee whoa.
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It always surprises me when you make those sounds.
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That's what she said. That's why they call him the
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Throat. I couldn't help myself I.
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Literally last episode you were like, we can't keep going.
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Keep. Saying I actually think we
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should just restart. No, Keep it rolling.
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Keep going. It's like, it's like, that was
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good, guys, but I need more cowbell, you know?
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Ohhhhh jeez. OK, enough, enough lollygagging,
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which somehow usually takes even longer than that, but that was
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just loaded up with nonsense. Welcome one and all, from far
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and wide, near and far. You get the point.
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The Bangor management. The fantasy hockey.
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Podcast wasn't lolly gagging so I got it.
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Built on natural. I had to procrastinate.
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So yeah, if you haven't guessed already, you are listening to
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Bangor Management, the fantasy hockey podcast with Jake, Josh
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and Throat Code Kevin. Don't know why I'm condoning
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this nickname. You came up with.
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It and you get mad at me. It was either you or Kevin.
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I didn't. Stop.
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Please. OK, guess who it was?
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Really. Really.
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Concerned. About which one of us would have
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come up with that? Yeah, right.
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Today we are doing our Mail Bag and Hot Topics Episode 4 Week 3
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of. The new season, new headline.
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New. Segment This is a fun time, a
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hot topic time to be alive. Wasn't that like a clothing
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brand at some? Point it was like the goth like
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emo. Hot topic.
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I must have missed that. It's still around.
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I think it was more for girls. I don't know.
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Yeah. So my wife used to shop there.
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Really. Yeah, yeah, I know that.
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She told me, like when we first dating that she had a T-shirt
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that she would wear a lot in 8th grade that was like a picture of
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a dead teddy bear and it in a box and said reality is a
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prison. And as like an anniversary gift
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like 2 years into our dating, I tracked down the last shirt of
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that, like, same shirt I could find and got it for her.
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And yeah, anyways, it was a Hot Topic shirt.
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That's the funniest, especially knowing her.
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Yeah, OK, yeah, so not a sponsor, but yeah, it's a new
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segment we're adding in. It's gonna be spicy.
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As always. Before we dive into the mailbag
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section, follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcast, wherever you get
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your podcasts. Rate us five stars, Civil play,
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please. And if you see the link tree,
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which is in the podcast subscription, you have the link
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to all of our socials in there. Come join the Discord community,
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Kevin likes to say, and while it's hot, still don't know what
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that means, but do it. It's been.
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Popping Whoa, we finish each other's.
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Popping. Just wanted to be involved, but
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yeah. So yeah, let's start with our
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first mail bag question for Week 3.
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Now wait before we get into the mailbox.
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Say it's so confidently and then it's like whoa, it's stop what
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you're doing I. Just feel like it's work you.
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Guys need a rewind. No, but just small display.
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OK, we, we. Actually, Josh making that
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noise, by the way, it's not an effect.
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I just wanted an excuse to do it.
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Quiz Small disclaimer that these are not all the questions we
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received, but we picked kind of like the ones that we thought
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could provide the most value for our listeners.
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But if you ask the question, you didn't get an answer on the
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podcast. We probably answered you
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directly either on Reddit, Instagram, Twitter, or Discord.
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Best way to get your question answered is a Discord.
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So, you know, like Jake said, check the link in the bio or the
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description and join there. But yeah, not all the questions
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will be on the podcast, but these are the relevant ones.
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All right, the Mad Haber on Reddit asked.
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In a cat's league with goals, assists, probably points, shots,
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hits, blocks, would you sell high on Martin HS?
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For any of the following guys? The list is Reinhart, Baldy,
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Robertson, Brat, Point, Gensel, Tage.
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My inclination is no, I I think I'd rather natures at this point
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over all those guys. The only ones that makes me
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slightly question is probably brat and then maybe Boldy off
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the top of my head because I just think we spoke about nature
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in preseason, how him playing with MacKinnon Rantanen was
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really good nature suits making them better.
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Like we thought his ceiling was this.
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We just didn't expect to see like it pay off so early in the
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season. But this might be the real deal.
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Like he could break 100 this season, shoot more than he has
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in the past. I'm trying not to trade him off
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my team. Like let's get your first round
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pick and a package is my thought process.
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Yeah, I'm totally with you there.
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And I was the highest on him coming into this season.
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I I can't believe he's not on my team.
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You could have had a record you, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I was like all the consequences of my own
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actions. Yeah, that's exactly what
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happened. Still, what was me, Because I
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really wish I had him, but he's just amazing.
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He's gonna easily, easily score a point per game, and I don't
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think a hundreds out of question.
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Whereas for these other guys, I'm more skeptical.
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The one thing I will note here is that there's no points
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category, right? So as a point specific stud, it
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is worth a little bit less than perhaps some of the other guys
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like Tage has been hitting right?
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Yeah, I don't know if I expect Tage to keep hitting like that,
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but also his points will have a certain cap ceiling given he's
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on Buffalo and they're just mediocre.
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For sure, and then there's Boldi, who I think is going to
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get more shots on goal than Natures.
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But when it comes down to it, points is the rarest commodity
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and goals and assists are because it's rare to come by
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than the other categories. Even without the specific points
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category. I would just take Nagis.
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OK here's my thoughts. I think first of all I agree
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with Kevin. The only two on this list that I
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would consider are Brat and Baldy.
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The rest I think Natus is higher than them.
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Boldy will get, I think, significantly more shots than
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Natures will and. They just 2.5. 2.5 I think bald
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you can get 3.5 so I know per game that's not that much, but
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over the course of the season that's that's a lot.
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More. Minnesota's power play has been
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unreal. Colorado's power play has been
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garbage. Now, obviously you you think you
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look at that and see how well natures is doing and you're
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like, that means there's only more unlocked potential, which
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yes, that is totally a fair way to look at it.
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But another way to look at it is Avalanche had kind of power play
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struggles for a while, which is really surprising with the
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personnel they have. But that's just kind of been an
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issue for a while. They keep, they always rotate
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those the last two spots. And I think the lack of
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consistency definitely hurts them.
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I know they're rotate, they're moving it around to kind of try
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and solve the problem that at certain point I feel like you
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gotta stick with what you got and help let the chemistry
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build. But anyways, I'm, I'm not, I'm
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100% sure, not 100%, but I'm very certain that New Jersey and
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Minnesota will have a better power play than Colorado this
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year. So power play points being a
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category here. I think Baldy and Brad have the
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edge. I think Baldy has the edge on
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shots and Brad has the edge on hits on each over niches.
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So I think both of those are definitely considerations.
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In terms of playoff schedule, Natures and Brad both have 11
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games, Building only has 9. So that's something to consider
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when you're looking at guys who are so closely valued.
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So if you let the playoff schedule kind of be a
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tiebreaker, that leaves only really brat to consider.
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And at that point, I think nature has the higher point
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ceiling, even though Brad I think should get more power play
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points and more hits. So I think it's just it's too
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much of A lateral move to be worth the risk, if that makes
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sense. If you're going to sell high on,
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just sell high on natures and go for a shoot for the, what was it
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we said last episode? Shoot for the moon.
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And if you have missed, you might hit the stars that are
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further away. Yeah.
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I mean with that logic also because I follow the same exact
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logic that Josh just had for his, you know, player breakdown,
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but also it just feels like OK natures is just because nature
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is also thus far in the scene is a .5 power play points per game
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like the other point in the first three games of the season.
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So it's not like he's not hitting that category at all.
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And also, I feel like Natures and Brad will have similar
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points with Brad getting more power play points in this
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hypothetical scenario. And then what happens if
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Colorado does figure it out, the power play, It just feels like
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that's extra upside that you have with nature that Brad
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doesn't have. He's capped.
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As they've already figured out the power.
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Play exactly. So yeah, brats hitting 90 points
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with the power play figured out. Nature is hitting 90 points with
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the power play and not figured out.
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If he does figure it out, he could break 100 type of thing,
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you know what I mean? Totally agree.
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So I think that's looking for the sell high on each this you
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should be targeting guys who are underperforming who are like
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first two round. Picks.
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I think if you have natures you could aim for, like a cultural
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right now, yeah, because Kucherov has started the season
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extremely slow. He's also missed a couple of
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games with his illness. I think right now there's like
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an opportunity to sell a guy like Natures who's just been
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like almost at 2 points per game and just playing with McKinnon
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and they look like unstoppable. The Avalanche look unstoppable
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right now. If you could pair Natures with
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like another guy and get a quick.
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Trip to make clear, exactly to be clear, no one's ever gonna
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accept that one for one. But if you can make it.
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I'm sure someone would be. I mean, if you have a call
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ratified in there maybe. Yeah, but for the most part, no
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ones gonna accept it one for one, even though it's a great
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buy low, sell high. But you combine nature with
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someone else, turn that into Kucherov, and that's amazing.
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So that's kind of how I look at when you're listening and names
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like this, it's not really a cell high.
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It's kind of like these were guys who already going into the
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season were ranked similarly to Naches.
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So why would you kind of sell him for for any of them when he
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is popping off so much? Looking natures and the Brink
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kit for for Kucherov. Yeah.
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Yeah, Nature and Horvat. Yeah, these are guys that got
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drafted in like around 789 that you could probably package
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together with Nature. So most likely a third round
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pick in your league, maybe even later.
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Yeah, I'm get a culture of. I think that's that's more what
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I would be trying to do than trying to add another.
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Second, having him on your team. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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That's what I would do. Yeah, so good.
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Yeah, I mean, this is not like a lot of times with the cell high
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Also is is if you're like sometimes you're gonna come back
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down to Earth, right. But I don't, I don't think this
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is unsustainable for natures. I mean, obviously start like
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starting at a crazy, crazy amount, like he's gonna be
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really good all year. So you're not desperate to get
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him off your team or anything like that?
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Let's move on to #2. Objective sanity on Reddit asked
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in a 12 team bangers league. I have Colton, dock, Rinzel,
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Nazar, and Felino. They're all great for my format
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but only have two games this week.
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Is it worth holding them or should I consider dropping any
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of them? And this kind of ties into
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Shepard Commander on discord who asks?
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What do you think of Nasar and Russell the rest of the season?
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Are they add drop holds? So what is going on with
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Chicago? The talk of the town.
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The town these guys Nazar, because everybody thinks they
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just picked up pick up with the season and fantasy God where
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listen, I we talked about this in the discord.
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So if you're not in there, click the link in the bio and.
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Start fighting like a nickel in the discord jar every time we
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promote it. But there's.
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Already pretty poppy in the discord and the only way you
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could find out is if you join. Exactly.
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So you should join, check it out if you don't have a discord
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account. It's super easy to make one and
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then just join and then you're in the community just like that.
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We talked about Nasar and how you know unless you're in a
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pure, you're in a pure points lead that doesn't have any
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bangers at all. Like that's I feel like the
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format that has the most value for him, but he's just like 21
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dimensional for my liking where he's kind of like I told you,
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it's like a Dylan Strome light where he's not really going to
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get you shots, hits or blocks. Face off wins are fine, but then
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his points are are there right And I will say like you feel
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like you heard me. He heard me talk a little smack
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in the discord because as of as of last game he had like a
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pretty good I think I mentioned his name that he scored.
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So that was the one you mentioned.
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Some guys on my team please. But he is good at blocking for
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his centre which is definitely noteworthy.
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Like there's not many of those guys out there but he's too 1
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dimensional for my liking. I feel like the people are
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hyping him up way too much. He doesn't have the category
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coverage to match like the point production, so I'm a little
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lower on him than what people seem to be valuing like.
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Super young and on a team that's not going to be this good for
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like the whole season. So I actually I like him a lot.
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Like I mean, in our league, that's deep league is ours.
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He's obviously a season long hold.
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I don't think that's in debate. But yes, people are overhyping
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him as the they're viewing him as if they just got Bedard too,
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you know, like it's an especially him being a pure C
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the capsid a little bit in a lot of shallower leagues, or at
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least that don't have as many roster spots every every night.
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But yeah, I definitely think he's overhyped, but still very
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worth rostering. Rinzel is just a power play one
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quarterback on an team that had a decent power play last year
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but is not the best team. He's kind of squishy as well.
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Yeah, and he's not like he hasn't seemed to be the best
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back cats guy. So it seems to be one more that
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archetype of just power play one quarterback and then Doc and
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Felino are both streamers. Like I know Docs been putting up
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some nice hits to start the season, but he doesn't really
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touch any other categories. You can find that you know, it's
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not the next key for sure, if that's what you're thinking.
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Felino also like he's nice to have the winger eligibility.
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You the face off wins with some hits and shots and whatever.
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But both of those guys I always every day of the week dropping
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on A2 game week. So those guys don't don't be
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worried about dropping Renzel and sorry, I wouldn't be
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dropping in A2 game week just because I see them as potential
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season long holds. Yeah, and like just from like a
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personal thing. I have Donato in my league and
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then. On my recently picked up Donato.
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Yeah, yeah, he put up like a two point game.
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Yeah. Great pickup and really it's
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kind of hard to part with him because he was so good last year
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and I think that he can have a good season, especially now that
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Chicago is firing on at least more cylinders than they were
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last year. So I'm I'm still yeah, exactly.
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But I'm just still, you know, like, like it's a two game week.
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If I have something better to do, I don't mind dropping him.
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And when it's said? Especially the 12 team league,
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like he specified, 12 team league.
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I don't know how deep the 12 team league is, but I'm assuming
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it's probably closer to standard and there's always replacement
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value on waivers and those kind of.
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Yeah. Yeah, but I'm with you guys.
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Of course, Nazar is the one I'm highest on.
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He's probably the only one who would like I'd keep around for
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the upside. So yeah, alright, I think I'm
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going to keep Deno because I like him.
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She doesn't have the same deployment as he did last year.
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That's the main thing holding him back.
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Like he's not even on the 26 most of the.
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Time. I don't know why they didn't.
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They didn't have that contract. As always on Hamilton once said,
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just you wait for all your Broadway X hockey fans out
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there. Cool.
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Move on to the next question. Yeah, let's forget.
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That ever happened? Listen.
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You'll see, I guarantee you that in the Discord there's gonna be
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some people with very sophisticated multiple.
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OK, it's not that crazy to say that in the discord there'll be
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someone who likes Hilton, the most popular play of the last
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like, decade. Like.
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What are the? What are the odds?
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Yeah, anyways, avoid Ants 20 you said his name, he's gonna score
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tonight. Avoid and 22 on Reddit.
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Asked in A10 team points league where goalies are very valuable.
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I have Melka, Almark, Wedgewood and Blackwood stashed on IR.
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What should I do when Blackwood comes back?
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Do I drop all mark or see what I can get for one of these guys in
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the trade? If I have Blackwood Station IR,
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I do not want to get rid of Wedgewood.
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I just need to see how that that situation plays out because you
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can get rid of one or the other and then the situation is the
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opposite of what you expected and then you get 0 instead of
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having both of them. But I think all Mark right here
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is the clear name that is worth talking about because I think
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he's been horrible to start this season.
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I think his performance also has been lackluster.
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But the team around him has been pretty bad in terms of like
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defensively and leaking goals, and he's the one that's hurting
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you the most. But he's also one of those
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drafted the highest besides, like, Black.
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Blackwood Yeah, so. He's the one that maybe has the
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most pull, but I don't think anybody wants all Mark on their
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team right now. So in A10 team league where I'm
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guessing it's pretty shallow, like I would not be opposed to
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just dropping and then rolling with the 2 Colorado guys and.
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I don't know. I feel like Jackie and I have
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definitely talked about this in the past, that I really don't
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like holding 2 goalies on the same team spending two.
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Situation though, like you have to wait and see what the
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situation is before you make a decision. 100% but I think in
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terms of like long term, like my ideal, he he he wants to run 3
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goalies for the rest of the season.
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My ideal situation is you keep Pamela and Almark and then you
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keep whichever one of the woods is gonna get more than 50% of
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the starts, you know, and then the other one let like assuming
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it's close to a split, like I would be trying to trade for
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sure. I wouldn't be.
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I think there's value to be had here and I think if you drop any
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of these guys, they get immediately picked up.
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Obviously 10 team league. I'm not sure the size of the
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roster. So that affects things.
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I don't know how you know strongly people available on
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waivers are but and if you're going to trade one of these
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guys, I'm not treating all Mark who's at his lowest value and
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should only go up from here when you're.
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Waiting for him with the trade either.
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That's it exactly. So this is not the time to be
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trading all Mark. I'd be trading Wedgwood when his
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values is at its highest. Look, his value can only go down
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from here. I'm not saying it's going to,
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but I'm saying it can only go down from here.
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I wouldn't say unreal. He's been.
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There's no way I'm better than what?
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He's doing right, comes back, gets hurt.
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Even if it's just gets hurt and which was already the starter
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right now and there's no way he's putting up these numbers.
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Over the but his value is not is not perceived as he's a season
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long starter. His value is he's a really good
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hold until the starter. Comes back, but I mean his rates
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that are not gonna be this good. I mean it could be solid, but
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this is he is currently he is the starter on Colorado and has
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led in like one goal Max per game.
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Obviously I'm exaggerating, but he's been that good, right?
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So and he's the one who has the most to lose out of all these
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goalies. Like I said, Almark can only go
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up because he's been so bad. Family has been sick like and
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he's gonna stay pretty much what he's been doing and and
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Wedgewood can only go down from here.
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So this is a classic. If you're going to have to, you
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can't hold 4 goalies also, so you have to make a move.
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If you're going to trade any of these guys, I'd be looking to
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trade which would. So the only time that 4 goalies
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is acceptable to hold in any long time long period of time is
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if there's three starters, which is rare.
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Kevin and I Co managed in the league like that last year.
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I've only seen it once and all the fantasy I've ever played.
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But like Josh said, generally 4 is just way too many to hold.
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And on the topic of Josh mentioned also, it's really not
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good to hold two guys on the same team unless it's some
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interesting structure where you barely have any one centre 1.
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Swing one right wing starting and the three goalies, which
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I've never seen, but crazier things have happened
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nevertheless. And let's say a standard format.
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I really don't like having two on the same team.
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Now where I'm kind of at is a the person asking the question
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avoidant 22, what you should do or what I would do if I were you
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is try to trade one of the Colorado guys now, because I
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think they're both actually at their all their highest value
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all year. Cuz Blackwood is the hype of if
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he comes back he's gonna be sick.
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And Wedgwood has the type of actually being a monster.
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I wouldn't say black was value was at his highest right now
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though. Yeah.
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So that means that that means that was gonna fall off.
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Like I think which was the clear, the clear trade out of
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all these because he has the highest value and has the most
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to lose. Yeah.
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So if you could look, I'd probably trade Wedgewood over
20:50
Blackwood. I'd rather have blocked on my
20:52
team. But who's accepting a treat for
20:54
Wedgewood right now? It's in that limbo area where
20:57
he's so good for your fantasy team, but also nobody wants to
21:00
take that on in a trade because they know the Black was coming
21:03
back and people are just going to assume that the starter is
21:05
going to be coming back. Gotta get all the starts where
21:08
we're living in that Gray area where we understand where it's
21:10
not going to be a complete zero to 100 shift, where it goes back
21:14
to playing only back-to-back. And Blackwood is just like
21:16
putting up Wedgewood numbers. But as a starter, it's not gonna
21:19
be. Like what I'm saying though?
21:22
I'm not 5% Wedgewood clock rate for somebody.
21:24
Over the starting job, don't you think that he's kind of at his
21:28
like his peak now because Colorado's been so good with a
21:30
less good goalie? I would say like honestly,
21:35
being, I think treating one of the Colorado performances as
21:39
well, I would say try it like send out feelers with Wedgewood.
21:43
And then if people are like, I don't want Wedgewood black,
21:45
what's gonna be the clear starter?
21:46
Then you're like, OK, cool. I'll trade you what Blackwood
21:48
then. And then obviously you trade it
21:50
for like a higher thing than you would trade for Wedgewood.
21:52
But someone's gonna have the everyone has an opinion on
21:55
either it's gonna be Wedgwood or it's gonna be Blackwood, right?
21:58
Or people think it's 5050, in which case they won't want to
22:00
trade with you. Or they might, but I'm gonna
22:03
open one of them and you have both of them.
22:05
So find whichever 1 is valued higher by the people you're
22:09
trying to trade with and trade with them accordingly with that
22:11
value. And that's kind of how I see it.
22:13
It's also, it's also A10 team league where goalies are highly
22:17
valued. So I feel like waivers probably
22:19
has some guys available that are probably still going to be
22:24
useful. So I I wonder what the
22:26
replacement value is like. That would be nice to know,
22:28
yeah. That's it.
22:29
But he's also in a tough spot now because you can't really
22:31
drop any of these guys, I don't think.
22:34
I mean, I guess like if the replacement level is really
22:36
high, then I'll mark could be a drop, but.
22:38
Yeah, I've seen it in some internally, like we're not crazy
22:41
that Hallmark is on waivers because you started so slow.
22:43
If you can just pick up like a, I don't know, like in some
22:46
leagues of America is on waivers or something.
22:48
You know, Yeah, yeah, fair. So, you know, that's that's our
22:51
answer. And if if avoid and wants to
22:54
give us some more specifically details, he could hop in the
22:56
Discord and hit us up. Yeah my the to the discord jar.
23:04
Anyways, moving on. Midnight fridge light on Reddit
23:07
asked any thoughts on Thomas Sharbot?
23:10
Any thoughts on Thomas Shabbat in a deep 14 team catch league
23:13
with goals, assists, plus minus hits, block shots, defenseman
23:17
points, and special team points. Thinking of dropping Trouba for
23:22
him. Also, Shabbat or Sanheim rest
23:24
this season. So obviously these are a bit
23:27
strange categories I think. At least I've never played with
23:31
defenseman points or special team points, and plus minus is
23:35
just a garbage category. But I think that Shabbat has
23:38
zero value on a roster in most league settings and especially
23:43
if you're counts plus minus, that makes me even less
23:45
interested. So I I personally have 0
23:48
interest in Shabbat. I'd rather have true but than
23:50
Shabbat. I know Kevin, you're not that
23:52
high on true, but at least true but can get you some of the back
23:54
hats and. Also plus minus sure not.
23:58
Getting, but I mean, it's not like Ottawa, Ottawa's doing
24:01
great in terms of plus minus. I think my favorite out of these
24:03
guys probably Sanheim. Yeah, I was gonna say Sanheim
24:06
would be my top. Pick, I'm not a big Sanheim guy
24:08
either but he's category covered just pretty pretty good.
24:11
It's just it depends on your league right?
24:13
Like, I never rather Sanheim over a power plate one
24:16
quarterback. Yeah.
24:18
But I think if you need like a guy to stream or you need a guy
24:20
that's like the last defenseman on your roster and has decent
24:23
category coverage, like I think there's worse guys in Sondheim.
24:26
I like Sanheim's category coverage more than like Shabbats
24:29
so. Yes, for sure.
24:31
Yeah, I agree. And sometimes Sanheim, there's a
24:35
part of Sanheim's value that there's a world where he ends up
24:39
one. Like it's not completely
24:41
impossible. Whereas Shabazz never going to
24:43
dethrone Sanderson. Fully agree.
24:46
Yeah, and Trump is not getting P on either.
24:48
No. Definitely have to be specific
24:51
with that one. Yeah, that would be a pretty
24:53
crazy. Yeah, I actually think he's even
24:56
like kind of in a next man up territory for for power play 1
25:00
Sanheim. Still has not been good for
25:03
their. Power play.
25:04
Yeah, and they have other guys that they've thrown there in the
25:07
past. But yeah, Cam work would be a
25:08
name for sure. But of course the Mula similar
25:12
trainers passed. Now that Tortorella is gone,
25:14
yeah, no, that's a it's definitely true.
25:16
There's some, I think it's still like low probability, but
25:20
there's actually some potential upside there, whereas the other
25:23
show out there zero chance barring injury.
25:25
Alright, Why Swan 7934 on Reddit asked, is Spencer Knight legit?
25:30
Should I hold or try to sell high?
25:32
And if so, who would you target? This I think a great, great
25:36
question because I think it's a real hot topic.
25:39
I think night is a great goalie who was a great goalie prospect.
25:41
It's not surprising see him performing so well.
25:44
I think he's mostly played a weaker or slumping team so far
25:47
and Chicago is really bad, so I would not expect them to keep
25:49
putting up these numbers. I definitely sell high and I put
25:52
a couple targets. I don't know you guys could tell
25:54
me what you think. I had Kemper as a target.
25:57
He was my bio and I think maybe he could get done.
26:00
I have Hallmark. I know all marks been awful, but
26:02
I'd rather have all mark than night.
26:03
Maybe that's a hot take. I don't know what you guys
26:05
think. People really think God take?
26:07
I've got yeah, but I mean we'll see by the end of the season.
26:10
I'd much rather have all mark the night and I know it's you to
26:13
say when you haven't, don't have to sit through all those garbage
26:15
games while he's on your roster, but by I trust Ottawa lot more.
26:19
I've got Markstrom, I know he's injured, but it's only two to
26:21
three weeks and you know, maybe there's a chance you could pull
26:24
that off and I had to put Hill here before his injury.
26:28
I think we can wait and see. But you know, if you can, if you
26:31
can afford the IR spot, then I'd be interested in going for a
26:35
Hell for night. Hmm, Yeah, I'm not a night
26:40
believer at this stage. It's just, it's just like not
26:44
gonna be such a good team. They they're.
26:46
Like I think first of all, it's 24/7.
26:49
Yeah, it's very good to see that they finally do have like a true
26:53
#1 goalie. And I believe that he is that.
26:56
But I just, I can't see him being nearly as reliable as
27:01
these guys as the season goes on.
27:03
And it's like more deep into the season, right?
27:05
Like the ones you mentioned, I'm easily the most enthusiastic
27:10
about Kemper, but I would still take the other ones over.
27:13
Not not Hill at this point, but you know, would you?
27:18
Would you? I'm just gonna add like one
27:20
other name. Would you rather Stuart Skinner
27:21
and I? I take Skinner.
27:24
Yeah, I think Skinner, I think Knight has been super good for
27:28
your fantasy teams thus far. If you look at his underlying
27:31
metrics as well, like he's actually putting in good
27:33
performances. It's.
27:33
Not really gonna like. Fluky or anything like that.
27:37
It's just I think the ceiling for Chicago this season is
27:39
definitely capped. I think people are very
27:41
optimistic right now because, you know, they're kind of
27:42
exciting, but it's just I don't see this lasting so long.
27:47
And I feel like being put in negative situations long enough,
27:52
you'll start to you'll start to feel the feel the pressure and
27:55
you won't be able to put up like nine 40s and losses anymore,
27:58
right? So I'd rather, I'd rather be
28:00
able to try to flip him now for a team that I know is going to
28:03
win more than they lose, like be a top playoff team.
28:06
And there's a lot of goalies on teams like that that are
28:08
currently slumping or not playing well.
28:10
And I think now is the opportunity to make a shift like
28:12
that because night was not good that was drafted in most
28:15
leagues. No, no, I I honestly think that
28:18
this is your chance to sell night.
28:20
This is your best chance and possibly only chance to sell him
28:23
in a couple weeks. I think that the chance is gonna
28:25
be gone and I think start a season, you know, because any
28:29
goal, you can go through a slump at any point in the season,
28:31
right? But if they you know, when it's
28:32
mid season, they had highs and they've had lows and whatever
28:35
start of season, if you start off with a slump, there's only
28:37
lows. So that's the best time to go
28:39
for a buy low, especially on the on one of these goalies.
28:41
So I'm 100% sell high. Would you rather Spencer a night
28:46
or Sorokin? I think Sorokin.
28:51
Yeah, I think that's the deal. Like it's done.
28:53
Yeah, for sure. Stroke.
28:55
It's just a better goalie and then the teams are like
28:58
comparably bad. But I trust Islanders defence a
29:01
lot better than Chicago's. I agree.
29:05
Would you rather? Would you rather night or ladar?
29:10
Night. Night.
29:11
OK. Yeah, Valdar is.
29:14
He's looking like the number one right now, but that's not
29:16
guaranteed. He's also playing well.
29:18
Yeah, for sure. He's LinkedIn the same
29:20
situation. Isn't that just not as good?
29:22
Well, that's just in a worse situation because he actually
29:25
has a backup goalie who can steal starts and the team is
29:27
just as bad, if not worse. Yep.
29:31
All right, let's move on to our last question.
29:34
Emily on Instagram asked which of the players on your fantasy
29:37
team would make the sexiest Pokémon and why.
29:41
I truly don't understand this question.
29:44
I'm glad we prefaced the episode with like these are these.
29:47
Are important ones. Questions.
29:48
That can really help everybody. So, and I, and I truly think
29:55
that Emily's question really kind of gets to that.
29:59
Jackie lost the bet and had to include his girlfriend's
30:01
question. I did not lose a bet.
30:06
I just, I just wanted, I just wanted her, her question to be
30:09
read on here. So for me, I've, I've thought
30:13
really deeply about this. I've, you know, I, I, I went to
30:18
the Himalayas, I climbed a mountain and I found an old wise
30:22
man and he told me that the sexiest Pokémon on my team would
30:26
be your eyes, Lefkofsky. I don't know what any of this
30:32
means, but. What the hell is even that?
30:36
Yeah, do we even ask for an explanation or are we just given
30:40
a name and just everyone has to accept?
30:42
It I think my name is either Brady Ketchup or Eric Carlson.
30:46
Something about him. Easily.
30:49
Gives me Blastoise vibes and Eric Carlson is definitely like
30:53
a psychic Pokémon that is like pretty squishy so.
30:58
I truly don't even know how to even approach this question, but
31:02
I feel like the player on my team that most kind of like
31:05
looks like a Pokémon is Alexis Lafreniere.
31:08
I don't know why his face. Just looks like Pokémon.
31:12
This is not the way to get him to succeed on your fantasy team.
31:17
Anyways, that's my answer, so I hope Emily's happy.
31:25
Came forward. OK.
31:27
Back to see if she or her answers were satisfactory.
31:32
Alright, moving on to our hot topics.
31:35
These are topics that we just see keep popping up.
31:38
Exactly. Not TM, obviously we keep seeing
31:44
pop up and we just think there's a lot worth discussing here.
31:47
Everyone wants to know about them, so even though we didn't
31:49
get necessarily specific questions about them, it's more
31:51
like everyone's asking. So anyway, just dive right in.
31:54
First hot topic, Brandon Hagel, the GOAT of last year in terms
31:59
of huge value for draft. Kevin's love from this offseason
32:06
he won't stop talking about, and Jakey who actually grabbed him
32:10
on his team. What is going on with Hagel?
32:12
He should be called Eagle for all the zeros he's putting up,
32:15
am I right? OHS.
32:19
Fantasy team price. So question Brandon Hagel, is he
32:24
a bust or is this a Bilo? This is a by law.
32:28
I mean, listen, we made a bylaw episode recently.
32:30
He was on it. I think we have to definitely
32:34
shift expectations. Like he was a signature pick for
32:36
me because I thought that he should get P1 this year.
32:40
I mean, it's still early, right? It's still possible that it
32:43
happens. It's looking looking more bleak
32:46
given that we already have a culture of injury and they still
32:48
didn't put Hagel on PP. One they put Gage Gonsalves on
32:52
PP1. That's.
32:54
What? I know you know, Yes, yes, yes.
32:57
There's you're engaged Gonsalves on PB1 over Brandon Hagel.
33:02
That means that you're really you'd be willing to put a pile
33:05
on on PP1 ahead of Brandon Hagel.
33:06
OK, Brandon, Hagel's not. Listening.
33:09
Don't listen to Josh but but all that to say was I thought he
33:14
would be tremendous value because he has the PP one upside
33:18
but even without it he should be an extremely solid pick for your
33:21
fantasy team. He almost broke 100 points last
33:24
season without P1. So but we're two weeks ish,
33:29
almost three weeks into the season and he's got one point
33:33
and he's putting up a lot of zeros.
33:35
And I think I understand everybody's worries, but we're
33:38
seeing a lot of players in the league start slow, especially
33:40
guys who drafted high. And I think we're still in the
33:43
window of opportunity where you can buy them before they pop off
33:46
because I feel like I saw. Post that I think Hagel has hit
33:49
like the second most posts in the league so far this year.
33:53
Getting and bad luck. Yeah, shout out to the discord.
33:55
It was a I wanna I wanna actually quote whoever put it in
33:58
properly. But it was Shepard commander
34:02
that linked the stat that Hagel hit the most points in the
34:07
league, making him one of the unluckier players in terms of
34:10
like goal scoring. So listen, there's the metrics
34:12
are there. It's just about when is it going
34:15
to put it together. He's also getting an opportunity
34:17
to play with Point and Kucherov. And it was funny because, you
34:20
know, he got the opportunity that Kucherov got hurt or sick.
34:23
So he never actually played with them all together for a while,
34:26
but I think as soon as he gets one point, I think they're gonna
34:29
start flowing. Yeah, but I think you do have to
34:32
kinda like temper your expectations.
34:34
I see him. I don't think he's gonna be
34:36
point game this year. I think it's more like a close
34:38
to it .85. Exactly same as a pointing 5.9.
34:42
I don't see him getting any power play time.
34:43
I see him getting the Shorty still.
34:45
I see him getting the shots still.
34:46
He's going to be a valuable asset on your team, he's just
34:49
not going to. I don't see him taking like a
34:52
higher step than last year. I think last year is more his
34:54
ceiling than his floor at this point.
34:56
That, that I totally agree with it.
34:58
But yeah, I mean it, it it's, it's hard not to be biased in a
35:03
negative way cause I do have him.
35:05
It's it's really sucked. But but you gotta hold or buy
35:11
lo. This is not a sell situation.
35:14
Unless you're getting value that you drafted on draft day.
35:16
Like, if you're getting similar value to what Hagel's worth,
35:19
then yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, look it the big thing here
35:24
is the deployment for sure. You know, Josh drafted Special
35:29
Markov in the same round as I dropped at Hagel.
35:32
No, I dropped him one round later.
35:35
Don't you put that on me, Ricky Bobby.
35:38
I dropped the connection. I dropped it connected 2 pics
35:41
after you dropped Hagel. Listen to this.
35:43
In the past three games that he's played, 18 minutes, 24
35:47
minutes and 23 minutes. Ridiculous.
35:49
That's good for a defenseman. Yeah, that's like.
35:52
So I think that's more than. Non power play deployment, I
35:56
just don't think getting the power play, but other than that
35:58
absolutely return on value and you just have to hold on.
36:01
Not every player comes out the gate firing on all cylinders,
36:04
right? Some only firing on one
36:05
cylinder, like the Chicago Black.
36:07
Firing on posts. Exactly.
36:09
So yeah, all that to say to wrap it up, he is a great Bilow
36:13
target and if you have him, I would not be panicking.
36:16
Yeah, for sure. And like, look, this Tampa Bay
36:18
Lightning team is currently ranked last in their division.
36:21
Yeah, is not. Dropping sucked.
36:22
Also. Yep, no ones worried about
36:24
Kucherov. Kevin would bet his house on
36:27
that. Not.
36:28
Being we we predicted like Tampa being the finishing first in
36:32
division. I mean I had them there.
36:34
I think Jackie had Florida. So yeah, I do that do have that
36:37
one. You will happen.
36:40
But that. Was great disclaimer right
36:42
before the Barkov injury and I I believe that to Chuck was also
36:46
like it was ambiguous at the time.
36:48
It. Was 100%.
36:49
Anyways, let's move on to the next hot topic.
36:51
Not TM leanness, big squishy leanness.
36:55
Almark, what is going on with the Ottawa Senators?
36:58
Who bang your management told me all off season was gonna have
37:01
We're gonna have a great year. I mean, listen, I am an owner of
37:04
4/5 of the Bank of the Ottawa Senators power play and I've
37:09
been happy with all of the guys that are on that team except
37:11
pretty chocolate on my IR. But in general, I feel like it's
37:17
tough with Almark because you can't drop him in any serious
37:20
league because he'll get scooped up.
37:22
You drafted him to be a top ten, top 15 goalie.
37:25
That was his draft day cost. He's giving you really bad
37:29
results. If you're in a point stick, he's
37:30
giving you negative points If you're in categories that he's
37:32
giving you some performances, everyone your whole goalie cats
37:34
for the week. So right now it's really bad.
37:37
I think Ottawa schedule honestly opens up in the near future
37:41
where they won't be playing so many more difficult matchups.
37:45
But also like as they get healthier, like they're missing
37:47
some pieces right now. I think the the, the, the
37:50
performances in front of him get better.
37:52
It's not going to be this bad the whole season.
37:54
But I think for the moment you have to bench or whole like
37:56
either bench him and not start him against the better teams or
38:02
I don't think you can drop. I would hold instead of selling
38:05
low. I'd be buying in some certain
38:08
situations for sure. Buying a little.
38:10
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Very low.
38:13
What sucks about this is the two of the games they lost were 84
38:18
to Buffalo, but he did not play and five, four to the Islanders,
38:21
which is pretty darn bad. Yeah, like.
38:24
It is not the team you wanna be letting in five against.
38:26
Exactly. But as Kevin mentioned, you
38:29
know, they opened with Tampa, FL and they've also played
38:32
Edmonton. So these aren't the easiest
38:35
matchups. I do believe they're going to
38:37
turn things around. So I'm really really like
38:42
there's no way I would drop him if I had him.
38:44
Thankfully I don't to be honest cause it's definitely been
38:46
rough. Yeah, but I mean also like.
38:49
Don't drop. I don't know if you guys
38:51
remember, but he went through a really rough stretch last year
38:53
too, right? Don't know if you guys remember
38:55
that. Like he was literally like
38:56
people were dropping him. He was doing super bad and then
38:59
he turned, he turned it on and became like a Vezina caliber
39:01
goalie for a month. Obviously then he got injured.
39:03
So that got in the way of things.
39:05
But he did the exact same thing last year and after once he
39:09
turned it back on, everyone was like, man, I wish I had bought
39:11
low on him. He really, you know, it's in the
39:13
realm of possibilities that he just flips a switch and this
39:16
Ottawa team figures it out. I still think they got a lot
39:19
better than last year. I think the Brady could Chuck
39:20
injury is massive, but Brady Chuck is coming back, even if
39:24
it's not necessarily super soon, and that should definitely help
39:27
him. I think the team as a whole,
39:28
like you said, has had a rough schedule to start and should
39:31
turn it around. And in fact is he's got zero
39:33
competition for the starter role in Ottawa should be better than
39:36
this. So I like him as a billow,
39:38
honestly, sometimes we do these episodes and then I'll be like,
39:40
huh, you know what, that is a good point actually.
39:42
And so so I might, I might go and send out some Bilo offer for
39:46
him. Do you think I should try
39:48
Wedgwood for Omark? I would do that, Yeah.
39:52
Wow, yeah. The thing is, if that doesn't
39:56
work out, then I'm screwed with not only no goalies, but only a
39:59
bad goalie. I mean, if you told yourself
40:01
before the season started that you can pick up a guy for free
40:04
agency and then flip him for Hallmark, you'd be ecstatic.
40:07
And it's been 2 weeks into the season so I don't know.
40:10
I would definitely do that, but. Yeah, actually that happened.
40:14
Now you didn't get all my plus. Offer you could try.
40:19
No you get greedy. He'll feel scare him away though
40:22
it also sucks every time he offers.
40:24
Every time I go after a guy, you're also going after him and
40:27
it sketches people out because. I know why.
40:29
Is everyone offering? Ever Bouchard.
40:31
Yeah, exactly. I think we both sent offers
40:33
separately, then spoke to each other about how we both sent
40:35
offer separately. Yeah.
40:36
And we both did this every month.
40:38
We always have the guys not gonna sell them now because he's
40:40
just like these two guys that have a podcast that keep trying
40:43
to buy. This happens every year.
40:46
The things we don't talk about it for for the most part until
40:49
like it gets rejected or something.
40:50
Like I tried this tree for this guys like me too.
40:52
Anyways, on to the next topic. We've got a couple of Columbus
40:56
Blue Jackets and Sean Monahan and Zach Werenski.
40:59
What is going on with these guys?
41:01
They were drafted well, Renski was drafted super highly,
41:04
Monaghan probably a lot higher than last year because he had a
41:06
great year. Kirill Marchenko was killing it.
41:09
Why aren't his buds killing it too?
41:11
Are you guys worried or Nah? For Monahan, I think we need to
41:15
reevaluate expectations. I think last year he.
41:19
Was. Let's start with Arensky then,
41:21
OK? We're not.
41:23
We're not worried. Just.
41:24
Think. He's not gonna do what he did
41:26
last year. Have you seen the shots though?
41:28
They're. Pretty shots have been nuts.
41:30
Like he did have a game where he had zero shots.
41:31
He had a game, had seven shots. So I feel like that's kind of
41:34
the norm with Werenski. I think there's gonna be days
41:36
ahead where he's getting 4 points again and three of them
41:39
are on the power play. Like that's going to happen with
41:42
Oransky this year. Last year he was so good and he
41:44
didn't start like that good either, right?
41:46
So like, remind me if I'm like, correct me if I'm wrong, because
41:49
you had him, so you were following along the entire year,
41:51
right? But like, didn't he have like
41:53
like stretches where he would do nothing and then he would pop
41:55
off like a six point game? Or was he just saw it all year?
41:57
Yeah, it came, it came in streaky fashion.
42:00
And you know, even if you look at it this year he had one game
42:03
with three points and then, you know, of his first five, he had
42:07
another game with one, right? So it's like that's kind of how
42:12
things happened. It just would be very, very
42:14
streaky. It's a bit of an annoying
42:16
reality, but nevertheless, like if you're in a week with him on
42:19
your team, he has three games and one of those games gets 4
42:22
points, like you're still pretty happy.
42:24
Yeah, then zeros the next two would still 4 points in three
42:26
games, like the overall average is gonna be there.
42:29
He might be a little streaky, which is obviously not
42:31
necessarily. I mean, it's I feel like it's
42:32
higher highs and lower lows than just having the consistent
42:35
average. But yeah, no, not worried about
42:37
him at all. Especially with the shots that
42:40
he's putting up. Like I always you see that and
42:42
you're like, OK, the rest of it will come.
42:44
As long as he's putting up those back hats like the ridiculous
42:46
ones like he usually does. I'm not worried about it all.
42:49
But yeah, Kevin, you were saying about Monahan you want to
42:52
readjust expectations. I think he's a buy low candidate
42:55
because I don't even like he doesn't have a point this season
42:57
yet, am I wrong? He doesn't.
42:59
It's crazy he doesn't. He's still he's still elite that
43:01
face off wins. His shots were never like his
43:03
main thing, right? He was always kind of like
43:05
hovering around one or two shots a game.
43:07
That's just kind of like his play style.
43:09
But last season he averaged over a point per game, which is nuts,
43:15
right? Like this season, I don't think
43:16
we can expect that. But he's also still taught.
43:18
He's still on the power play. He's still playing that line,
43:21
one with Marchenko, which is the most important, and the other
43:25
left winger that's usually gonna be like front cover Ken Johnson
43:27
or whoever else. Yeah.
43:29
Like he still has the same deployment he had last year.
43:31
He doesn't have any. Worries that Fantilli you could
43:34
take a spot either on line one or power play 1.
43:38
I mean, listen, we thought there was a reason why I think we were
43:43
less high on Monahan, and it was because we always knew that
43:45
Chantilly could have his chance later in the season.
43:50
I think it's definitely a possibility, but wherever you
43:55
got Monahan in your drafts, I think already took that into
43:58
account. Like you weren't getting him at
43:59
a price and then like scared offence is gonna take him.
44:02
Like you got him pretty late where I think the price was
44:04
already baked in. For sure, I will say that as
44:07
long as he has that line on power play one, I'm not worried
44:10
about him at all. Yeah, I think if, if we.
44:13
Believe. Deployment.
44:15
Yeah, exactly. They gonna assists.
44:18
Yeah. If we believe that his
44:20
deployment is at risk, that makes me a lot more worried in
44:23
terms of like, let's say you own him.
44:25
As long as he's the deployment, I'm not worried at all.
44:27
Just hold him and it'll come. If you're looking to buy low,
44:29
then it's like, OK, how worried are you about losing the
44:32
deployment if you think he's going to keep it?
44:34
I think he's an amazing by low target.
44:36
Would you trade Frank Nazar Nazar for Monahan?
44:39
Easily. Easily.
44:40
I've recommended people in discord on Twitter to do that
44:43
trade and they've. Got no brainer to me.
44:45
That's such a no brainer to me. Yeah, it's really good because
44:48
Mom has a way more boring name, so I really think it could get
44:52
done with the hype. That being said, I think there's
44:55
a chance for Until he takes Power Play 1.
44:58
I don't think that Monahan is so good at faceoffs and that's so
45:01
important on the power play. And also we see he has the
45:05
chemistry with Marchenko and Marchenko was like the best
45:09
player on that team right now besides.
45:10
I will say that like with Santillian power play 1 I think
45:14
he can get power play 1 and it wouldn't bump on a hand off.
45:16
I think the person more likely to get bumped of his either
45:19
Bungen or Kent Johnson or Voronkov or whoever.
45:21
Absolutely. I think that there's enough
45:24
space on that power play one for both of them.
45:25
So just because if you see Fantilli getting it, that
45:27
doesn't necessarily mean that man's gonna lose it.
45:30
That's that's absolutely fair. I just like I it's more profane
45:34
Tilly than than anti Monahan. Yeah.
45:37
So if he is there, maybe he'll lose like one face off or two a
45:42
game which is completely insignificant.
45:44
So yeah, it's a really good buy low with Nazar like that a lot.
45:51
Would you would you send Lynn home for Monaghan?
45:54
I'd rather Lynn home. I think Lindholm has a category
45:58
coverage that sets up like a good baseline and I think they
46:01
have the same deployment and Lindholm's exposed to to
46:04
Pasternak. So we were all lower on Lindholm
46:06
last season, but I think we're seeing that Monaghan this year
46:09
is is not as hype as he was last year and I think Lindholm is
46:14
better than he was last year. So I think they're in the same
46:16
range of values, but I'd rather learn home.
46:19
'S last few games is like, really really falling off.
46:22
For sure, because we're gonna keep what he was doing before.
46:24
Yeah. Yeah, I would rather Monahan.
46:29
I think that like Monaghan on line one, power play one, I'd
46:32
rather have him over Linton. I am a bit like tiny part of me
46:37
is nervous that if he keeps not putting up numbers they will
46:40
swap him with Chantilly which is the only reason.
46:44
Like Lindholm has zero competition for line one power
46:46
play one. But I think Monahan stealing is
46:49
definitely higher but Lynn Holmes safer.
46:53
I think I think Lindholm, however, has the baseline of the
46:56
the hits and the blocks that he contributes to.
46:58
On a regular basis. So that's why I like him more.
47:01
They're both elite at faceoff wins.
47:03
They're both pretty similar at shots, if I'm being honest.
47:06
So it's just about who do you expect to get more points?
47:08
And also the playoff schedule that I'm thinking about in the
47:11
back of my mind too. Yeah, yeah.
47:13
That's that's definitely a factor.
47:15
Alright, this one's close to Jake's hearts.
47:17
We've got Macklin, Celebriti, what is going on with Big Mac?
47:22
Everyone was super hyped for him going into the season and
47:26
honestly the points, he's almost a point per game.
47:28
I mean it helps he had that one three-point game right to even
47:30
to smooth out his averages. But it's the shots I think
47:33
that's the most concerning and the face off wins aren't great
47:35
either. But more importantly, as the
47:37
shots right what? Is pointless in 2/3 of his
47:40
games. Yeah, What is going on with
47:42
Sabrina? Is it the Sharks general?
47:44
Is it a sophomore slump? What's what's going on here?
47:47
What do you? Guys know, it's really, it's
47:49
really fun that we keep talking about my players.
47:52
Less fun in this context. Also, do you think about that?
47:59
Yeah, yeah, super, super cool, guys.
48:02
Thanks. No, no, I I, I OK.
48:05
I'm more worried about celebrating than I am about
48:08
Hagel. OK, so let's start, let's start
48:11
there with, you know, my woes. But as and which is pretty
48:16
interesting because I dropped it Scalabrini higher.
48:18
It's just that the sharks do patently suck.
48:21
They're bad. Get it out.
48:26
Yeah, yeah. And.
48:28
The video. Yeah, and I actually think that
48:30
these are like comparable guys who, you know, Cagle's even been
48:33
worst, right? But the thing with Pellegrini,
48:36
look, sophomore slump does happen, but it doesn't like
48:40
there's no real like quote sign. There's no science behind it,
48:43
Yeah. Exactly.
48:44
I mean, the science could be that teams have more video and
48:47
tape on these guys and know how to adjust for them.
48:49
Or they get like cocky from the first year.
48:52
Reminds me of me and university. Like my first semester I killed
48:55
it and I was like university is easy and I slacked off and did
48:58
horribly my second semester. So that was my own little
49:01
sophomore slump. Yeah, but look for for this year
49:07
from him for for celebrating. It's obviously not been exciting
49:11
at all. It could, it could work out that
49:16
it comes in Warenski like fashion.
49:18
His points this year, I still think he's gonna get 70, which
49:21
I'm not unhappy with. But the main concerning aspect
49:25
of this is that despite the deployment, the shots are not
49:27
there. I don't get it.
49:29
I don't get it. He was so good at shooting last
49:32
year. Perhaps like the whole goal of
49:34
the team is to try to get like the players around him to be
49:37
better and they're telling him to pass.
49:39
I don't know. But for fantasy, it's certainly
49:42
been less than ideal. He's approaching it.
49:46
But yeah, if they keep losing and if they keep not performing,
49:50
then eventually it's gonna be like, alright, Macklin, like, go
49:52
do your thing. They haven't won a game this
49:53
year and they're letting in a lot of goals.
49:55
So the way to combat that would be to one shutdown on defence,
50:00
which they do not have. They don't have.
50:03
Anybody on defence, so it's going to have to be through
50:07
scoring and I think eventually they'll just let him loose and
50:09
let him do his thing and hopefully that translated for
50:11
fantasy. Yeah, I will say that I'm not.
50:15
And it's it's a lot easier to not be worried about a guy when
50:17
you don't have him on your team, right?
50:18
And you don't have to like see the zeros every night, right?
50:21
But personally, I'm not too worried about him.
50:23
There's zero threat to his deployment at all.
50:26
The only annoying thing is that they keep shuffling who he's
50:28
playing with. But if anything, they're just
50:30
trying to make it click, right? So they're gonna keep shuffling
50:32
his wingers until they find the right combination.
50:35
The shots will come. A guy like that, it doesn't just
50:37
stop shooting. And there's just no one else on
50:39
the team who's like a volume shooter that I'm worried about.
50:42
It's not going to suddenly become a passer instead of a
50:44
shooter. So I think, I think it's gonna
50:46
come. I think you have to be a bit
50:47
patient. Maybe he's not gonna have that
50:50
ceiling that we hit, that ceiling that we knew we had
50:53
because obviously he has the potential to do to go nuts.
50:55
It's not looking like this season's gonna be that big a
50:58
step up from last year. But even if you matches last
51:00
year, that was an unreal season and I don't see why he would
51:03
take a big step down. So I'm not too worried about
51:05
him. I like him as another Bilo and
51:08
and yeah, that's, I don't know what you think, Kevin, about
51:11
that. I mean, I think I think that
51:14
we're at a point in time in the season where a lot of it is
51:17
still left to play. And like the type of player that
51:21
a guy is now does not mean he'll be this player the whole entire
51:24
season. Like there's a world where, you
51:25
know, celebrity right now is averaging like two shots a game.
51:28
We thought it could be closer to four in a month from now.
51:31
He could be at four. He could be averaging.
51:33
Definitely put up like 1 seven shot game and then his average
51:36
is like 4. Place is still so small.
51:39
Exactly Do I think he has the ceilings that we spoke about
51:44
potentially in the preseason where he could blow up and get
51:47
four shots a game and 100 points like that's out of the window.
51:49
Obviously, I feel like if you start this slow, I don't see
51:53
that in the realm of outcomes. I think he's realistically going
51:56
to be a guy that hovers around a point per game or slightly
51:59
below, and I think he ends up averaging around three shots 3.3
52:05
ish. That's my, my, my conservative
52:07
guess, knowing that he is the player that he is.
52:10
He he could be the face of the league in a few years and yeah,
52:13
and just blow it up in the second-half of the season.
52:15
So but right now, you definitely have to change your
52:17
expectations. You drafted this guy pretty
52:19
high. Um, but yeah.
52:24
Would you rather Robert Thomas or?
52:27
Celebrating, celebrating, celebrating.
52:29
I I don't, I never take Robert Thomas because, first of all,
52:31
he's also starting slow. As if.
52:34
Yeah, but he's like the best version of Manhattan, Dylan
52:39
Strome. Like he's supposed to be the
52:41
guy, I guess. No category coverage could have
52:43
face offs and just like over a point per game.
52:45
Like that's the Robert Thomas archetype and there's tears of
52:48
it is Robert Thomas, it's Dylan Strome, it's Sean Monahan, it's
52:52
those guys. Frank Naser at the bottom now.
52:54
Yeah. One more for it, Dylan Cousins
52:57
or Maclin Celebrity. Celebrity Dylan Cousins.
53:01
Easy. Oh my God, I'm actually being.
53:03
He just scored, by the way. On the power, does that always
53:07
happen? Wow, we're talking.
53:11
Dylan Collins has been one of the best picks in fantasy.
53:14
He I should have chosen as my signature pick ahead of Hagel.
53:17
Dylan Cousins has appointed almost every game this season.
53:21
He's averaging over four hits a game and almost four shots a
53:25
game. Yeah, he's so sick.
53:27
I'd still take celebrity but but I love some cousins I'm.
53:32
Fully serious when I tell I'm saying give me some Dylan
53:34
Cousins and not just because I don't wanna change.
53:36
My team name Jake, you you said, you said it yourself up for that
53:39
one. Any opportunity you give to
53:41
Kevin to talk about Cousins is just.
53:43
Yeah, yeah. I can't say I'm surprised,
53:47
especially if you look at the game log.
53:49
Why would you? Why would you take the celebrity
53:52
over Dylan Cousins? I mean, I don't think what
53:55
Customs is doing is sustainable. For one thing, I think that
54:00
Sabrina is gonna end up with more shots and more points.
54:05
The Cousins will obviously end up with way more hits.
54:07
I think Cousins, if anything, gets maybe slightly less points,
54:12
but he's going to get like four more, four more hits the game.
54:16
Yeah, the hits is crazy. I'm still I'm still going to
54:18
celebrate because I think the the points difference is is
54:21
going to be solid. But we'll see.
54:24
There's still a lot up in the air with Ottawa with the Kashuk
54:26
injury. So we'll see what happens when
54:27
he comes back. That is true.
54:29
Obviously like it shakes things up a lot.
54:31
So anyway, so let's go to the last Hot Topic not TM.
54:35
We've got a few Philadelphia Flyers, Matt Faye Michkov and
54:39
Travis Konecny. What is going on with these
54:42
guys? I mean, Michkov, that is got to
54:45
be one of the biggest busts so far.
54:48
I'm like traded or not, the draft Mitch Kov.
54:50
Yeah, we traded away toward Arella and we got Tortorella at
54:54
home. I mean, it sounds like Mitch
54:59
cops showed up to training camp like out of shape and a little.
55:02
He had like an injury in the offseason that led to that and
55:04
whatever. But fact is, I don't think he
55:06
deserves to be getting benched for periods at a time and just
55:10
not getting played in overtime. He's just getting the Tortorella
55:15
treatment pretty much. And and obviously you're seeing
55:18
it in his ice time and you're seeing in his production.
55:21
So I think it'll definitely improve over the course of the
55:25
season as he gets more in shape. But it seems like talking is
55:28
just more of more of Tortorella. So just kind of kind of brutal
55:32
and connect me. I'm not worried about it all.
55:36
No, we've already seen connect me bounce back a little bit and
55:38
he's he's he has more. It looks like he's become more
55:41
of a complete player. Like he's always been a guy like
55:43
an average, like one hit a game. But it looks like he's he's more
55:47
physical this year. Whether that stays or not, like
55:49
I'm not sure, but I think that we know that he can hit at least
55:55
and he's going to be on the mainline on this roster the
55:58
whole season, whether it's with Michkov or Couturier or whoever
56:02
else like. The line One player on the team,
56:05
Owen tip it. The line one is gonna be the
56:07
line with Connect and that's kind of always how it's going.
56:09
It's been Michkov do not want on my fantasy team.
56:12
I've said it before the season even started, I was advising
56:14
people not to draft him. He's just a type of player that
56:19
scares me and also does not have enough like upside.
56:22
I guess I've never really bought into like, I'm not saying I
56:25
didn't think he was talented, but people were saying like he's
56:28
like generational, generational and I just don't know if that's
56:32
that's him so. I feel like like pretty much you
56:34
just want, you want him to prove it and then you know, maybe
56:36
he'll take him the year after. You know you're not dying to be
56:39
to be there the year. First of the line comes.
56:41
Out like it's OK to miss out on it because you're also avoiding
56:44
the risk of. What's currently?
56:46
For yeah, exactly, before he breaks.
56:48
Out where he has 12 minutes of his time and he gets you one
56:51
shot and zeros like I do not want that.
56:55
Now what have you worried for him?
56:56
Like yes, like this could be something that is present the
57:01
whole season. We saw it last year with with
57:03
with Tortorella. So if you have any chance to get
57:06
out, I would take it. They should trade Mitch call for
57:09
special COV. Yes, I know I said that about
57:12
fire earlier, but this is 2 obs 1 for one so.
57:16
But also like this Philly team is not such a bad roster.
57:22
Like there's like a lot of guys I do.
57:26
Would change. It completely changes
57:28
perspective. And I drafted over Tippett who
57:31
has George mentioned is is the GOAT.
57:33
Like so good. It's really, really like, I
57:37
mean, they just gotta get them going.
57:40
A third line of zebras, Devorak Michkov, should not be so bad.
57:44
Your third line. He was saying it should.
57:47
It should. Be should be online.
57:48
One should be top 6 realistically with where you
57:52
drafted him and his talent pedigree.
57:53
Yeah, that's it. I mean, look, like we don't know
57:56
what the deal is in the locker rooms and why these players get
57:59
the treatment they do. Like he could just have like a
58:01
really bad work ethic or attitude.
58:03
Who knows? I mean he looked like he was not
58:05
in the best shape. You call them fat.
58:09
No one, no fat shaming. But talking did say.
58:13
I had three brownies today, so I can't, I can't talk.
58:17
But also not suited up for the Philadelphia Flyers so.
58:20
Not yet, I'm waiting for the call.
58:22
Yeah, right around the corner goes to the HL like.
58:25
Yeah. No, it's it's look it to me.
58:28
I I keep him around on the squad connecting.
58:33
Connecting is good. Like there's issues with there.
58:36
This is he's basically talismanic to this team.
58:39
Like I know we said tip it's the guy, but it is connected with
58:42
their. Real tip is the guy right?
58:46
Yeah, I did not say that was the guy to beat is sick.
58:48
We we all think tip it's the guy, but really connect he's the
58:52
guy and and look for fantasy. Though I will say with connect
58:57
me is that he has many games with straight zeros, but he
59:01
evens out getting like a fight here and there.
59:03
Decent points like probably gonna break 70.
59:06
Start the season was rough. That's what people were kind of
59:08
concerned with, Philly in general.
59:10
Yeah, he's also one of those guys who like performs well
59:13
every year but just doesn't have the name value, which makes them
59:15
really enticing by low. Yeah, yeah, because nobody
59:18
really values about what his true value is, but last season
59:20
he was at .93 points per game. Yeah, was one of the best
59:24
shorthanded point getters and his deployment is set on this
59:29
roster, so. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
59:32
He he's kind of like the opposite of Mitch Cobb in a
59:34
sense. It's like everyone wants him
59:36
because he's like a hot commodity and like, whoa, like
59:39
he could be so good. But if I take Mitch Cobb, he
59:41
could become a connecty. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
59:44
It could be anything. Could even be a boat.
59:49
Then another officer evidence. No, that's Family Guy.
59:54
I should have done that. It's like they're playing a game
59:56
show and it's just like, would you want this boat or do you
59:58
want this mystery box? Mystery Box because it's a boat.
1:00:07
It could be anything. Actually, OHK, it's brilliant.
1:00:13
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1:00:14
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Stop It about Bound Banger management fantasy hockey
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podcast. Woo woo woo.
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I'm gonna make the NHL, yeah.