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Where is Zac? Interview with his best friend, Chris · River City Mystery - Investigating mysteries in southern Indiana, southern Illinois, and western Kentucky

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  Speaker: I offered the cops to go take them to the exact spot.
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  Speaker: I pulled over in.
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  Speaker: When I turned around.
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  Speaker: I pulled over and I called my wife and I'm watching him out of
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  Speaker: my rear view mirror, and he's walking towards the tracks where
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  Speaker: he went from there after I left from that spot.
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  Speaker: I don't know.
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  Speaker: You're listening to River City
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  Speaker: Mystery, a podcast that delves
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  Speaker: into the Evansville and
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  Speaker: surrounding Tri-State area's
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  Speaker: mysteries, including unsolved
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  Speaker: crimes, murders and
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  Speaker: disappearances, a show that
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  Speaker: isn't afraid to jump down the
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  Speaker: rabbit hole to investigate
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  Speaker: reports of local hauntings,
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  Speaker: sightings of UAPs and cryptids,
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  Speaker: among other paranormal phenomena
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  Speaker: with your host law office worker
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  Speaker: by day.
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  Speaker: Insomniac researcher of the unknown by night Matt Deig.
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  Speaker: Welcome to episode sixteen.
• 1:01
  Speaker: This is a follow up on the last episode where I interviewed Gina
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  Speaker: and Cecilia, the mother and sister of Zach Carey, who's been
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  Speaker: missing since May thirtieth of twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker: After the last episode aired, I was contacted by Kris, who is
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  Speaker: Zach's best friend and was the last person to see Zach since he
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  Speaker: was the one who dropped him off at the Welcome to Linville sign,
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  Speaker: if you recall.
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  Speaker: And Kris talks about some of the texts he received from Zach in
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  Speaker: the early morning hours of May thirtieth, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker: And those texts basically
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  Speaker: indicate that he was having a
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  Speaker: bit of a paranoid episode and
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  Speaker: was not in a great state of
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  Speaker: mind.
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  Speaker: And Kris starts off our talk by referencing some of the topics
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  Speaker: brought up by Gina and Cecilia in the last episode.
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  Speaker: Here's my interview with Zach's best friend Kris.
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  Speaker: Nothing in my.
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  Speaker: What I have said has changed.
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  Speaker: If you want to see the text
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  Speaker: messages that she was talking
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  Speaker: about that the cops won't let
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  Speaker: her see, I will show them to
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  Speaker: you.
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  Speaker: I save all my messages with him here.
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  Speaker: I'll give you.
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  Speaker: I'll give you a roundabout of what he said.
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  Speaker: This way I don't leak at all because I don't know if they
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  Speaker: want that to be told.
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  Speaker: And the message I got, let me
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  Speaker: get back to the message so I can
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  Speaker: be right on the money with what
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  Speaker: he said, because I don't want to
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  Speaker: say something that's not
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  Speaker: accurate.
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  Speaker: And the only reason I'm not helping them is because Zach has
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  Speaker: sat here and told me that he does not really like his mom.
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  Speaker: He he didn't even really want his sister Rachel.
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  Speaker: Knowing where I live.
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  Speaker: When they came here that night to supposedly get Zach's
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  Speaker: clothes, they were trying to break into my house.
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  Speaker: I have a police report about that.
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  Speaker: Okay?
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  Speaker: They were banned from here and
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  Speaker: the dog didn't bite the dog
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  Speaker: catcher.
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  Speaker: It bit my neighbor, and he's willing to even talk to you
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  Speaker: about it because he's got the scars to prove it, because
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  Speaker: cutter tried to go after me.
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  Speaker: My daughter Hailey, and the cop.
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  Speaker: The Evansville Police Department was sitting out front when
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  Speaker: cutter bit my neighbor.
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  Speaker: That and they had seven days to go get him the chip.
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  Speaker: He. They told the dog catcher that he was shipped here.
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  Speaker: When the dog catcher checked, it was shipped to the restaurant.
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  Speaker: So, uh, let's see, I got I save all my text messages.
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  Speaker: I would love to show you in
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  Speaker: person because if they're not
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  Speaker: the cops, not telling them
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  Speaker: anything.
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  Speaker: That must mean something.
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  Speaker: They're not they're not going to tell, uh, a person of interest,
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  Speaker: uh, what a text says.
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  Speaker: If they were really about what?
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  Speaker: For the parents and them, they would at least hear.
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  Speaker: Here's the text.
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  Speaker: I'll give you the summary.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: That works.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: He texts and this was at May thirtieth.
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  Speaker: At one a m he said, when are you going to plug the Wi-Fi back in?
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: Uh, and then he said, I love you, bub.
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  Speaker: They just don't know me.
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  Speaker: Tell them to quit letting me make them look like fools and
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  Speaker: get me chambers.
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  Speaker: Remember, I don't live there.
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  Speaker: May, may thirtieth at four thirty seven a m. You should
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  Speaker: have told me, but I left after the tracer car passed an hour or
• 4:43
  Speaker: so before they came there in a flatbed truck with a tarp.
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  Speaker: The driver should remember me.
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  Speaker: Whenever Zach talks about
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  Speaker: chambers, you have no idea who
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  Speaker: he was.
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  Speaker: Just kind of rambling.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: He. You don't know who he was talking about.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: I don't know who chambers is.
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  Speaker: And we did.
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  Speaker: We contacted when I woke up and
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  Speaker: I went out there to see if Zach
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  Speaker: was in his room after I seen
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  Speaker: those texts.
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  Speaker: And I realized he wasn't, I came and woke my wife up.
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  Speaker: Me and my daughter Faith and my wife went out looking for him.
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  Speaker: We couldn't find him.
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  Speaker: So I told my wife, I said, get a hold of his sister.
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  Speaker: We got Ahold of his sister.
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  Speaker: Rachel called him and talked to him on the phone.
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  Speaker: This after.
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  Speaker: I then told them that Zach is missing.
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  Speaker: I need you guys to come in town
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  Speaker: and help me get him because I
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  Speaker: can't.
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  Speaker: I cannot physically.
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  Speaker: Control him.
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  Speaker: He. He's way too strong for his
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  Speaker: own damn good, and I would put
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  Speaker: my life in jeopardy if I was to
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  Speaker: try.
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  Speaker: Especially with the state of mind he was in.
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  Speaker: He has six cops couldn't hold him down or twelve cops.
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  Speaker: Sorry, twelve cops couldn't hold him down.
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  Speaker: We sure couldn't hold him down.
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  Speaker: No, no, I and I don't blame you.
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  Speaker: No, not at all.
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  Speaker: So, um, at what point does he show up at your place that you
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  Speaker: end up going to Linville?
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  Speaker: Uh, Rachel called him, then talked to him for a few minutes,
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  Speaker: and then she called me.
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  Speaker: She said, well, I know where he's at.
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  Speaker: He said he he took a picture and sent it to me of turkeys.
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  Speaker: Well, the only place I know that turkeys hang out around my house
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  Speaker: is out there behind.
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  Speaker: Coming down, Pfeifer coming around the S curves.
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  Speaker: Okay, so that's the only place I know about turkeys.
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  Speaker: So I got in my truck and went over there where the back
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  Speaker: entrance of the jail is.
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  Speaker: And I seen him sitting on the rail.
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  Speaker: I said, Zack, come on.
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  Speaker: And he looked at me.
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  Speaker: He got up.
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  Speaker: He got in the truck.
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  Speaker: We come back here.
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  Speaker: He got out of the truck, went to the room.
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  Speaker: He grabbed his.
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  Speaker: He told you to stay in the truck.
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  Speaker: That we're not done.
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  Speaker: We're going somewhere and I didn't.
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  Speaker: I followed him, he went back there, got all of his medicines,
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  Speaker: and I watched him put it in his pot, in his hoodie pocket, and I
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  Speaker: asked him, where is he going?
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  Speaker: And he says, don't worry, I'll be back.
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  Speaker: We'll play our game.
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  Speaker: He says, I promise.
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  Speaker: And Zack never.
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  Speaker: When Zack makes a promise, he don't break it.
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  Speaker: Yeah, he never broke a promise to me.
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  Speaker: And like I said.
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  Speaker: And that's your wife back there, right?
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  Speaker: Yes.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: Just because when I when we were
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  Speaker: going up Lynch, before we got to
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  Speaker: the Motor Mart, we were at the
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  Speaker: stoplight.
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  Speaker: She was on speakerphone with me The whole time until we got, uh,
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  Speaker: through the light.
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  Speaker: And Zach said, well, we'll have to call you back and hung my
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  Speaker: phone up, and I kept on blowing up his phone, trying to get
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  Speaker: Ahold of him because I didn't know what he did.
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  Speaker: I thought he just hung it up and put it up.
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  Speaker: But apparently he turned my airplane mode off, uh, on and
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  Speaker: turned my location off.
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  Speaker: Well, I share my location with my wife.
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  Speaker: We we got so she sees that drop
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  Speaker: off the radar and kind of freaks
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  Speaker: out.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: And the only ones I know that drives tracer cars to try to
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  Speaker: catch you doing something wrong are cops or undercover cops or
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  Speaker: or undercover cops.
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  Speaker: And that's already already stated.
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  Speaker: He has paranoia of cops.
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  Speaker: So. That's the first thing I thought of.
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  Speaker: Well, I cannot tell him.
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  Speaker: No, I'm not going because Right now, he's in that state of mind.
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  Speaker: I don't know what he would do to me if I was to tell him no. And
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  Speaker: I'm not putting my life on the line for anybody.
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  Speaker: I still want to know why his mom and them did not come in town
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  Speaker: the day I called them.
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  Speaker: The morning I called them to
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  Speaker: tell them to help me round Zach
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  Speaker: up.
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  Speaker: They refused.
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  Speaker: They said their job is more important than Zach.
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  Speaker: Then after Zach went, went off and disappeared.
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  Speaker: Now all of a sudden, now they're worried about him.
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  Speaker: But they weren't worried about him when I called and told him.
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  Speaker: So right there.
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  Speaker: And I called them May thirtieth when after I realized he was
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  Speaker: gone and I couldn't find him, I said, you need to get in town to
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  Speaker: try to help me get Zach.
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  Speaker: I can't control Zach.
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  Speaker: Zach is a big guy.
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  Speaker: And what I think is funny on the
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  Speaker: first news report that they put
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  Speaker: out, They said he was not
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  Speaker: violent.
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  Speaker: And then the second report, they said he was violent.
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  Speaker: Now, which one is it?
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  Speaker: Man's been friends for a long time.
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  Speaker: I wish no harm upon him.
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  Speaker: He's like a brother to me, the only friend I really had.
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  Speaker: His rule about me is I'm not
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  Speaker: allowed to get in any trouble
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  Speaker: or.
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  Speaker: I get a strong talking to.
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  Speaker: And the other person will get get hurt.
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  Speaker: Right now he has paranoia of cops.
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  Speaker: He went to the hospital.
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  Speaker: He put.
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  Speaker: He brags about this.
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  Speaker: He said, how many people do you know could put twelve cops in
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  Speaker: the hospital and not get a charge for it?
• 10:36
  Speaker: He went to Deaconess Hospital for paranoia of cops, which I
• 10:42
  Speaker: don't blame their his mom for putting a missing person report.
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  Speaker: But why didn't you come in town the day I called you?
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  Speaker: The same day.
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  Speaker: That I got all these messages.
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  Speaker: Why didn't you just come in town and help me get him?
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  Speaker: If you know how he is, why didn't you come in town and do
• 11:02
  Speaker: this now, if someone called you about your son running off and
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  Speaker: you don't know his state of mind, would you not want to come
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  Speaker: in town and help?
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  Speaker: No matter if you have to work.
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  Speaker: Wouldn't your son be the main priority?
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: So see there, what they're saying about me is wrong.
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  Speaker: And after in my friend Ty's
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  Speaker: wife, uh, he she knows him
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  Speaker: really well.
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  Speaker: She's seen him before.
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  Speaker: She's talked to him.
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  Speaker: He worked for his, uh, her
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  Speaker: husband, Ty, and she was at
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  Speaker: Cassie's over on South Green
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  Speaker: River road.
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  Speaker: And a grey Chevy or GMC or Chevy.
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  Speaker: Uh. Um, square body.
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  Speaker: It was a primer color.
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  Speaker: His ex-wife was sending my son
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  Speaker: because he he's in that drug
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  Speaker: stuff.
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  Speaker: Was going over to his, uh, Zach's ex-wife, Karen's house.
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  Speaker: We have a photo of her sending him gift cards.
• 12:13
  Speaker: Now, Zach is smart.
• 12:15
  Speaker: That's one thing they're not lying about.
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  Speaker: He is very intelligent, and Zach don't want to be found.
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  Speaker: He's not going to be found until he's ready.
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  Speaker: That's when he'll be found.
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  Speaker: So, Karen.
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  Speaker: Karen, you you're your child has pictures of Zach's ex-wife
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  Speaker: sending Zach gift cards.
• 12:35
  Speaker: My my wife.
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  Speaker: Your wife?
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  Speaker: Okay.
• 12:38
  Speaker: Yeah, because we took my son, Patrick, over to her house and
• 12:43
  Speaker: dropped him off, and she was showing me that she was sending
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  Speaker: him a Gift cards because he would only accept gift cards.
• 12:53
  Speaker: And when was this?
• 12:55
  Speaker: Uh, I would have to talk to my wife.
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  Speaker: She's got it on her phone.
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  Speaker: I ain't got I ain't got her phone right now.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: But this was like, well, after he's been after he was missing.
• 13:05
  Speaker: Yes.
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  Speaker: I've done look every I have allowed the police and see they
• 13:10
  Speaker: said I, I, I got forced to give his stuff to the police.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: I surrendered it because I felt I, I didn't want no part of it.
• 13:24
  Speaker: You know, my, my main thing is I'm a dad myself.
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  Speaker: If my kids friend called me and said, hey, your son disappeared.
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  Speaker: I don't know where he's at.
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  Speaker: You need to come in town and help me.
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  Speaker: I'd be on it.
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  Speaker: Why didn't you come in town?
• 13:41
  Speaker: You're you're so worried about him.
• 13:43
  Speaker: He. He griped and complained
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  Speaker: about going out there because
• 13:48
  Speaker: he.
• 13:49
  Speaker: He felt like they were taking advantage of him.
• 13:51
  Speaker: Always needing this, always needing that cutter bit.
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  Speaker: My neighbor on the hand.
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  Speaker: He's got the scar to prove it.
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  Speaker: The cops were out here to do, uh, what they call a standby so
• 14:06
  Speaker: they can pick up the dog.
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  Speaker: And as we were talking to the I was talking to the cop.
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  Speaker: My friend Mike was sitting next
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  Speaker: to my wife and my daughter on
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  Speaker: the porch, and cutter just
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  Speaker: turned around and bit him in the
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  Speaker: hand.
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  Speaker: So they had seven days to go get him.
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  Speaker: But I don't have.
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  Speaker: I keep all records of everything.
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  Speaker: Any text messages, all of it.
• 14:35
  Speaker: I keep records of it.
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  Speaker: I've allowed the police to go through my phone records.
• 14:41
  Speaker: I told them everywhere I went from the time and they said they
• 14:46
  Speaker: don't know if he took his medicine that day.
• 14:48
  Speaker: Yes he did.
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  Speaker: I made him take his medicine before he left.
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  Speaker: I said, you need to take your medicine.
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  Speaker: He took his medicine and then
• 14:56
  Speaker: threw his pill bottles in his
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  Speaker: pockets.
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  Speaker: I, I he got back in the truck.
• 15:02
  Speaker: He said, get in the truck.
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  Speaker: So I got in the truck.
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  Speaker: He said, let's go.
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  Speaker: I'm I'm driving him.
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  Speaker: And all he's doing is pointing.
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  Speaker: I'm.
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  Speaker: I'm just driving wherever he tells me.
• 15:17
  Speaker: Right.
• 15:18
  Speaker: So where did you guys where did you guys end up on this drive?
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  Speaker: All right.
• 15:23
  Speaker: I went from he wanted me to go straight on Saint George.
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  Speaker: Instead, I turned right and went
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  Speaker: down towards Blanche and turned
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  Speaker: up Lynch.
• 15:34
  Speaker: I went to the Motel Mart right
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  Speaker: there at the corner of Lynch and
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  Speaker: Oak Hill.
• 15:40
  Speaker: He said, get you a drink and get me four packs of cigarettes.
• 15:45
  Speaker: We are going to be gone for a while.
• 15:48
  Speaker: I said that I cannot be gone, man.
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  Speaker: I got a wife and kids I gotta worry about.
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  Speaker: And after.
• 15:56
  Speaker: After I said that, all he did the whole time was point.
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  Speaker: He took me the back ways, had me lost.
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  Speaker: Oh, I the only reason I know we were in Elberfeld because when
• 16:05
  Speaker: we went in we went only maybe a block in and went in a circle
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  Speaker: and came back out.
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  Speaker: We got back out on sixty eight.
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  Speaker: We got almost maybe a block to the.
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  Speaker: Welcome to Linville sign, he said.
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  Speaker: Pull over.
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  Speaker: You've gone too far.
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  Speaker: I'll go here from here on my own.
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  Speaker: I let him out.
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  Speaker: He threw his ID, his credit
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  Speaker: card, his social security card,
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  Speaker: his food stamp card, his cash at
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  Speaker: me.
• 16:31
  Speaker: He said this should get you enough gas to get home.
• 16:35
  Speaker: I didn't want the money.
• 16:36
  Speaker: He told me, put money in my gas.
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  Speaker: I put twenty dollars into my tank so I can make it to the
• 16:42
  Speaker: house and I came back here.
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  Speaker: He promised my wife, because as we were going toward, uh, the
• 16:51
  Speaker: Motor Mart on, uh, Lynch, he told my wife he my wife asked
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  Speaker: him, are you coming back?
• 16:59
  Speaker: He said, yes, I promise, Zach, don't make promises he don't
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  Speaker: intend to keep.
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  Speaker: Okay.
• 17:06
  Speaker: I don't like my name being slandered.
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  Speaker: Um, I I've talked to an attorney.
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  Speaker: I'm going to I'm going to be filing a slander lawsuit against
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  Speaker: them because there they're judging my character and lying
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  Speaker: on me, and I don't like liars.
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  Speaker: The.
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  Speaker: They're making me out to be this horrible person, which I'm not.
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  Speaker: I, you know what that was worried about?
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  Speaker: And upset that he lost the job.
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  Speaker: He used to pay his rent.
• 17:36
  Speaker: He wasn't paying his rent because he wasn't really he
• 17:39
  Speaker: didn't have a really good job.
• 17:42
  Speaker: So he was upset about that.
• 17:44
  Speaker: And I told him, I said, dude, I
• 17:46
  Speaker: we are not worried about you
• 17:48
  Speaker: paying.
• 17:49
  Speaker: We did have the money you were paying extra just to help out.
• 17:54
  Speaker: So therefore I don't care.
• 17:56
  Speaker: You and his stuff will be here when he comes.
• 17:59
  Speaker: If he wants it, it'll be here.
• 18:01
  Speaker: It's locked up in my shed.
• 18:03
  Speaker: I even boxed it up for him.
• 18:06
  Speaker: I put it in a lot under lock and key.
• 18:08
  Speaker: No one can have it until he comes here and picks it up.
• 18:14
  Speaker: Okay, so whenever you guys were driving to the Linville sign, or
• 18:18
  Speaker: when you got to that point, you said you went too far, where do
• 18:20
  Speaker: you think he wanted you to turn?
• 18:22
  Speaker: He kept talking about a lake.
• 18:25
  Speaker: Okay.
• 18:27
  Speaker: And my thing is, I thought he was talking about bluegrass.
• 18:31
  Speaker: I forgot about his family.
• 18:33
  Speaker: Uh, you having a lake?
• 18:36
  Speaker: So I'm driving around trying to get to bluegrass.
• 18:40
  Speaker: I forgot how to get there.
• 18:43
  Speaker: So.
• 18:45
  Speaker: we. He asked me if he can use my phone.
• 18:48
  Speaker: I didn't think about him having
• 18:50
  Speaker: a prepaid one of them government
• 18:53
  Speaker: phones, so I let him use my
• 18:55
  Speaker: phone.
• 18:57
  Speaker: He did something and then he shoved it up under the seat when
• 19:02
  Speaker: I went to grab for it.
• 19:03
  Speaker: He took it away.
• 19:05
  Speaker: He shut my location off when I dropped him off and he got out
• 19:09
  Speaker: of my truck.
• 19:10
  Speaker: I called my wife.
• 19:11
  Speaker: I said, what do you think I should do?
• 19:12
  Speaker: Should I come home or should I follow him?
• 19:16
  Speaker: So just come home.
• 19:17
  Speaker: So I turned around and I came back.
• 19:23
  Speaker: And after that, uh, the Rachel came over.
• 19:29
  Speaker: She goes.
• 19:30
  Speaker: My brother said he felt safe with you.
• 19:34
  Speaker: I knew that because I'm his best friend, I. I wouldn't do nothing
• 19:38
  Speaker: to that boy if I couldn't.
• 19:41
  Speaker: He's over.
• 19:41
  Speaker: He he's stronger than a mule.
• 19:45
  Speaker: Very strong.
• 19:46
  Speaker: And it's not like I forced him
• 19:48
  Speaker: in the truck like, come on, get
• 19:50
  Speaker: in.
• 19:51
  Speaker: Oh, he got in on his own.
• 19:53
  Speaker: He's the one that told me to get in.
• 19:56
  Speaker: And when a big guy like that with that much strength and I
• 20:01
  Speaker: know he can hurt me, I wouldn't stand a chance with him.
• 20:06
  Speaker: So when he told me, I don't think I want to think that he
• 20:10
  Speaker: wouldn't hurt me.
• 20:11
  Speaker: But at the time, I didn't know
• 20:13
  Speaker: what what was going on in his
• 20:16
  Speaker: mind.
• 20:16
  Speaker: And I'm not going to put my life
• 20:18
  Speaker: in jeopardy to please somebody
• 20:21
  Speaker: else.
• 20:22
  Speaker: It's not worth it.
• 20:25
  Speaker: So weird man.
• 20:26
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 20:28
  Speaker: Where do you think he is now?
• 20:30
  Speaker: Do you have any ideas?
• 20:32
  Speaker: Like.
• 20:33
  Speaker: Well, I asked my my son Patrick, who's great truck would that be
• 20:37
  Speaker: that he would be getting out?
• 20:39
  Speaker: And he goes, what color is it?
• 20:41
  Speaker: I said, it's a uh, Chevy, uh,
• 20:44
  Speaker: square body with, uh, primer
• 20:46
  Speaker: gray.
• 20:46
  Speaker: He said, let me see a picture of it.
• 20:48
  Speaker: I showed him a picture.
• 20:49
  Speaker: He said, that's, uh, Karen's.
• 20:52
  Speaker: She won.
• 20:54
  Speaker: They either know where he's at
• 20:55
  Speaker: because they've been switching
• 20:57
  Speaker: everything around.
• 20:58
  Speaker: Everything they told you.
• 20:59
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 21:00
  Speaker: Has been out of this world.
• 21:02
  Speaker: Reason why I didn't contact you is because it just tear up them
• 21:07
  Speaker: to, uh, say more lies.
• 21:10
  Speaker: I was I was letting them feed their own self.
• 21:14
  Speaker: They want they want to call me names.
• 21:17
  Speaker: I'm letting them dig their own little, uh, hole.
• 21:20
  Speaker: So when I do file this slander lawsuit, and that's what I
• 21:26
  Speaker: planned on doing.
• 21:29
  Speaker: Because if you think my scrawny ass can hurt Zach, you're out of
• 21:35
  Speaker: your mind that that man is too strong for me, I would die.
• 21:42
  Speaker: He would kill me in an instant.
• 21:46
  Speaker: I'm only a what?
• 21:49
  Speaker: Ninety nine.
• 21:52
  Speaker: I mean, I watched this dude pierce his own lip with an ice
• 21:55
  Speaker: pick and a hammer.
• 21:57
  Speaker: I mean, yes, he has a paranoia
• 21:59
  Speaker: of cops, which I stated to my
• 22:02
  Speaker: wife.
• 22:03
  Speaker: I said yes, it's a good thing that they reported him missing,
• 22:07
  Speaker: but like I told Jared West, he has a paranoia of cops.
• 22:10
  Speaker: If you go to grab him, your
• 22:13
  Speaker: little buddy right there is not
• 22:14
  Speaker: going to save you and your
• 22:15
  Speaker: tasers are not going to save
• 22:17
  Speaker: you.
• 22:18
  Speaker: Ask Evansville police about what
• 22:20
  Speaker: happened to him when they try to
• 22:21
  Speaker: confine him in in a hospital
• 22:23
  Speaker: room, they.
• 22:26
  Speaker: He said they shot him up with so much Thorazine, they lost count
• 22:30
  Speaker: after two thousand milligrams.
• 22:32
  Speaker: Oh my gosh, he said there were
• 22:35
  Speaker: four cops tasing him and he was
• 22:37
  Speaker: still tossing them around the
• 22:38
  Speaker: room.
• 22:40
  Speaker: So this is somebody who's definitely going out of his way
• 22:43
  Speaker: to not be caught.
• 22:45
  Speaker: I mean, he's he and then he's paranoid of cops.
• 22:48
  Speaker: So he's staying off the grid.
• 22:51
  Speaker: And you know, I mean, if you
• 22:53
  Speaker: don't want to, if you don't want
• 22:54
  Speaker: to have the encounter with the
• 22:56
  Speaker: cops, you heard part of the
• 22:57
  Speaker: messages.
• 22:58
  Speaker: I didn't read it all because they don't need to know.
• 23:01
  Speaker: Because if the cops wanted them to know, they would have told
• 23:04
  Speaker: them, I, I gave you the little bits and pieces.
• 23:08
  Speaker: But in that statement, what did he tell me?
• 23:11
  Speaker: I do not live there.
• 23:15
  Speaker: And his ID says he lives on Grossman Road.
• 23:20
  Speaker: So he wanted me to lie.
• 23:22
  Speaker: I didn't lie.
• 23:24
  Speaker: I'm not a liar.
• 23:25
  Speaker: I don't I'd rather tell the truth than lie.
• 23:29
  Speaker: I mean, the only reason I'm not helping them is because.
• 23:32
  Speaker: What?
• 23:33
  Speaker: How?
• 23:33
  Speaker: They're slandering my name.
• 23:34
  Speaker: They want my help.
• 23:36
  Speaker: Fine.
• 23:37
  Speaker: Quit slandering my name.
• 23:38
  Speaker: Quit making me out to be this horrible person because I'm not.
• 23:43
  Speaker: I'm the type of guy to give you the shirt off my back.
• 23:47
  Speaker: I just don't deal with drama.
• 23:50
  Speaker: And when they're.
• 23:51
  Speaker: His sisters came over here telling my daughter's
• 23:55
  Speaker: ex-boyfriend that, what are you going to do if we kick in the
• 23:58
  Speaker: door and just go back there and take his stuff?
• 24:01
  Speaker: Yeah, I showed up, and four cops were right behind me.
• 24:07
  Speaker: I got I got a police report from
• 24:09
  Speaker: when the cops were here to do a
• 24:11
  Speaker: standby.
• 24:13
  Speaker: You can look all this up.
• 24:15
  Speaker: It's out there.
• 24:17
  Speaker: It's public records.
• 24:19
  Speaker: So them telling, telling you guys I'm not trying to help out.
• 24:26
  Speaker: Now, if I wasn't trying to help
• 24:27
  Speaker: out, would I allow the cops to
• 24:28
  Speaker: go through my phone without a
• 24:30
  Speaker: warrant?
• 24:32
  Speaker: Would I give him, give the cops
• 24:34
  Speaker: his ID, his credit card, social
• 24:36
  Speaker: security card, the cash, All of
• 24:39
  Speaker: it.
• 24:41
  Speaker: If I was trying to hide something.
• 24:43
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker: And that's why I wanted to hear from you.
• 24:46
  Speaker: Because, you know, whenever you talk to somebody, you are going
• 24:49
  Speaker: to get one side.
• 24:50
  Speaker: You're not going to hear the others.
• 24:51
  Speaker: I knew there was another side of this that we weren't getting,
• 24:53
  Speaker: and it made sense that you wouldn't necessarily want to say
• 24:55
  Speaker: something, because obviously the last person to see somebody is,
• 24:58
  Speaker: is kind of always a suspect.
• 24:59
  Speaker: And I know it was because all,
• 25:01
  Speaker: all of them, all four of them
• 25:03
  Speaker: besides, besides the, uh,
• 25:06
  Speaker: sergeant, which he violated the
• 25:09
  Speaker: Disability Act because he used
• 25:10
  Speaker: my mental status, my disability
• 25:13
  Speaker: against me.
• 25:15
  Speaker: He, he, because I told Jarrett
• 25:17
  Speaker: West, look, you guys need to
• 25:19
  Speaker: quit telling me that I'm not in
• 25:21
  Speaker: trouble.
• 25:22
  Speaker: I'm the last one to be with him.
• 25:24
  Speaker: So I am the prime suspect that that's a given.
• 25:29
  Speaker: He goes, no no no no no no. Well, Jarrett West told me to
• 25:33
  Speaker: contact him whenever I hear anything about Zach.
• 25:37
  Speaker: Well.
• 25:38
  Speaker: Zach's mom's boyfriend, Eric.
• 25:41
  Speaker: Uh, text us on our Facebook
• 25:44
  Speaker: saying Zach is no longer with
• 25:45
  Speaker: us.
• 25:46
  Speaker: I hope you're happy.
• 25:48
  Speaker: Now, what does that mean?
• 25:51
  Speaker: You tell me what that means.
• 25:54
  Speaker: Because I got an understanding what that means.
• 25:58
  Speaker: But if you hear that, what do you what?
• 26:00
  Speaker: Your first obvious thing.
• 26:03
  Speaker: Well, yeah, your imagination runs kind of wild.
• 26:04
  Speaker: What do you think he's meaning what?
• 26:06
  Speaker: What do you interpret that?
• 26:09
  Speaker: Well, if if I was you and I
• 26:13
  Speaker: would and I heard that and seen
• 26:15
  Speaker: that and him saying that with
• 26:17
  Speaker: Zach being missing and Zach's
• 26:21
  Speaker: smart, he's not going to be
• 26:22
  Speaker: caught.
• 26:24
  Speaker: He'll eventually get caught.
• 26:26
  Speaker: But right now he don't want to be found.
• 26:29
  Speaker: And he promised.
• 26:30
  Speaker: My wife and I have never known Zach to break a promise.
• 26:33
  Speaker: He said, I'll be back.
• 26:35
  Speaker: He. Because um, him and my wife plays art.
• 26:40
  Speaker: It's a survival game.
• 26:45
  Speaker: And he promised her that he'll be back, so.
• 26:48
  Speaker: And he loved my little daughter, Tanya.
• 26:51
  Speaker: That's his, uh, he calls her the midget mafia.
• 26:55
  Speaker: The child midget mafia, because she'll bully him out of snack
• 26:59
  Speaker: cakes or drinks.
• 27:03
  Speaker: So me and Zach has a good.
• 27:04
  Speaker: It's pretty funny that I know
• 27:06
  Speaker: Zach because me and Zach sit and
• 27:09
  Speaker: talk.
• 27:10
  Speaker: He. He really.
• 27:12
  Speaker: They said that he used to come out there all the time.
• 27:15
  Speaker: No, the only time he came out there is because they kept
• 27:18
  Speaker: blowing up his phone, wanting him to come out there.
• 27:20
  Speaker: Yes.
• 27:20
  Speaker: He went over to CC's and went
• 27:23
  Speaker: and checked on CC every now and
• 27:25
  Speaker: then, but it's not like they
• 27:27
  Speaker: were putting it out there, was
• 27:29
  Speaker: he?
• 27:31
  Speaker: Because I think they were.
• 27:32
  Speaker: His mom and sister were kind of concerned that he was suicidal
• 27:35
  Speaker: and that he was going to.
• 27:37
  Speaker: You know what Jack told my daughter?
• 27:38
  Speaker: Would, uh she.
• 27:40
  Speaker: Because my thirteen year old has tried to commit suicide.
• 27:43
  Speaker: You know what he told her?
• 27:45
  Speaker: Suicide is the easy way out.
• 27:48
  Speaker: And you don't want to do the easy way out.
• 27:51
  Speaker: You need to keep fighting.
• 27:53
  Speaker: So does that sound like a person
• 27:55
  Speaker: that would want to hurt
• 27:56
  Speaker: theirself?
• 27:57
  Speaker: It does not.
• 27:59
  Speaker: And the fact that he hasn't been
• 28:00
  Speaker: found tells me that he's
• 28:01
  Speaker: probably.
• 28:02
  Speaker: And he's also kind of they
• 28:03
  Speaker: mentioned that he's a
• 28:04
  Speaker: survivalist.
• 28:05
  Speaker: Like he's somebody who literally could go out.
• 28:06
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker: Me and him.
• 28:07
  Speaker: Look, when we were younger, we'd go down to the creek down from
• 28:11
  Speaker: his mom's house.
• 28:12
  Speaker: His mom would tell us not to go out.
• 28:14
  Speaker: We'd go down there and fish for weeks on end, not even coming
• 28:19
  Speaker: back to the house.
• 28:21
  Speaker: So yeah, he is very smart.
• 28:24
  Speaker: He's very intelligent.
• 28:26
  Speaker: He's the kind that sits back and watches people.
• 28:30
  Speaker: And my friend Ty, his wife,
• 28:34
  Speaker: said, you know, if you see
• 28:36
  Speaker: somebody, you're there or you
• 28:38
  Speaker: don't know somebody, you're not
• 28:39
  Speaker: going to go in the store and
• 28:40
  Speaker: look out the window and wait
• 28:41
  Speaker: until they leave before you come
• 28:43
  Speaker: out.
• 28:45
  Speaker: Well, she texted me, she said, I think I just seen Zach.
• 28:50
  Speaker: I said, we're at.
• 28:51
  Speaker: She said, the caseys over on South Green River road.
• 28:56
  Speaker: See, I would have helped the detectives after the sergeant
• 28:59
  Speaker: did what he did and violated my the Disability Act.
• 29:04
  Speaker: I. I don't want to help them.
• 29:06
  Speaker: They.
• 29:06
  Speaker: They showed their true colors.
• 29:08
  Speaker: One don't lie to me because my grandpa was a cop.
• 29:12
  Speaker: My uncle Dean was the FBI in Atlanta, Georgia.
• 29:17
  Speaker: I I'm pretty intelligent when it comes to law enforcement.
• 29:23
  Speaker: When he told me that I. They told me I'm not in trouble.
• 29:27
  Speaker: One.
• 29:27
  Speaker: You're lying.
• 29:28
  Speaker: Quit lying to me.
• 29:29
  Speaker: Just be honest with me.
• 29:30
  Speaker: I'd rather you be honest with me than lie to me.
• 29:32
  Speaker: Just like you would rather me be honest with you and lie to you.
• 29:37
  Speaker: So I don't mind helping them.
• 29:40
  Speaker: But when you're slandering my name and making me out to be a
• 29:43
  Speaker: bad person that I'm not.
• 29:47
  Speaker: There's a difference.
• 29:49
  Speaker: I offered the cops to go take them to the exact spot.
• 29:54
  Speaker: I pulled over in.
• 29:56
  Speaker: When I turned around, I pulled
• 29:58
  Speaker: over and I called my wife and
• 30:00
  Speaker: I'm watching him out my rear
• 30:01
  Speaker: view mirror, and he's walking
• 30:03
  Speaker: towards the tracks where he went
• 30:06
  Speaker: from there after I left from
• 30:07
  Speaker: that spot.
• 30:08
  Speaker: I don't know, but it's kind of funny.
• 30:12
  Speaker: His ex-wife was sending him gift cards on Cash App.
• 30:18
  Speaker: And you.
• 30:20
  Speaker: Everybody knows gift cards are not trackable.
• 30:23
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 30:24
  Speaker: You can't track them.
• 30:25
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 30:26
  Speaker: And you don't remember how, like, how long after he was
• 30:29
  Speaker: missing that that was taken like weeks or days.
• 30:33
  Speaker: Oh, it was right after the sergeant and a gang detective
• 30:36
  Speaker: came over here.
• 30:37
  Speaker: I've had five or six detectives
• 30:40
  Speaker: here within three days of
• 30:43
  Speaker: themselves.
• 30:44
  Speaker: Now, I did what Jared told me to do.
• 30:46
  Speaker: Contact him if I hear anything.
• 30:48
  Speaker: So I've been letting him know.
• 30:53
  Speaker: I texted him and sent him a screenshot of what Gina's
• 30:59
  Speaker: boyfriend said to us.
• 31:01
  Speaker: And my thing is, that made me think if he's not with us no
• 31:08
  Speaker: more, because the way he put it, and I want to be exact, so I
• 31:12
  Speaker: want to wait until my wife gets back so I can be exact on what
• 31:16
  Speaker: he said on the text.
• 31:19
  Speaker: But it led me to believe that
• 31:23
  Speaker: they know more than what they're
• 31:25
  Speaker: saying.
• 31:26
  Speaker: It's making me out to be this horrible person.
• 31:29
  Speaker: And you know what?
• 31:30
  Speaker: I'm going to do it because I want everybody on your podcast
• 31:35
  Speaker: to know I'm not lying.
• 31:38
  Speaker: I have kept every text messages from the time I got Zach a phone
• 31:45
  Speaker: to all the way to this cell phone number, which the last
• 31:50
  Speaker: part I read you was, uh, what?
• 31:55
  Speaker: Remember?
• 31:56
  Speaker: I don't live there.
• 31:57
  Speaker: Is that the last part I read to you?
• 32:00
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker: And I read you the about the
• 32:02
  Speaker: tracer car passing and all that,
• 32:05
  Speaker: right?
• 32:05
  Speaker: Yeah, I got that.
• 32:07
  Speaker: Okay.
• 32:07
  Speaker: After that, he said.
• 32:09
  Speaker: But like I said, you should have told me.
• 32:13
  Speaker: Still love you, bub.
• 32:14
  Speaker: We could have avoided the three
• 32:16
  Speaker: hits it took to break down a
• 32:18
  Speaker: locked door.
• 32:20
  Speaker: And you know me, I don't run.
• 32:24
  Speaker: I walk to my current position.
• 32:27
  Speaker: They fucked up.
• 32:28
  Speaker: Hope you, uh, like the money
• 32:32
  Speaker: from the settlement could cover
• 32:34
  Speaker: everything.
• 32:35
  Speaker: I'm behind on.
• 32:37
  Speaker: And then some.
• 32:39
  Speaker: Well, he knows if the cops mess with me and violates my rights,
• 32:44
  Speaker: I'm going to sue them.
• 32:46
  Speaker: Which they're only bonded for fifty thousand dollars anyways.
• 32:49
  Speaker: And then I can go after them personally.
• 32:52
  Speaker: So he knows that.
• 32:54
  Speaker: So what do you think he's trying to do?
• 32:57
  Speaker: He's trying to be able to set me up where I could sue them, and
• 33:01
  Speaker: then he can, uh, all that money that he he supposedly owes me,
• 33:07
  Speaker: which I'm not worried about will get paid back and then some.
• 33:13
  Speaker: They didn't tell you that a CC
• 33:15
  Speaker: is his life insurance
• 33:18
  Speaker: beneficiary, right?
• 33:20
  Speaker: Uh, no, they didn't say that.
• 33:22
  Speaker: They didn't say that.
• 33:23
  Speaker: Now, when he was working for induction iron.
• 33:27
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 33:28
  Speaker: He did ask me To be on his life insurance while he worked there.
• 33:35
  Speaker: After that, he don't.
• 33:37
  Speaker: As far as I know, he don't have that insurance no more.
• 33:40
  Speaker: It's not covering him because he's not working there.
• 33:43
  Speaker: So there they said CC is, uh, over his life insurance and two
• 33:52
  Speaker: and two is not adding up.
• 33:53
  Speaker: It's pretty bad.
• 33:54
  Speaker: I'm his best friend, and I know
• 33:56
  Speaker: more than about Zach than most
• 34:01
  Speaker: people.
• 34:01
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 34:02
  Speaker: And that's what they all said when I talked to them.
• 34:04
  Speaker: They were like, you know, nobody knows Zach better than you do.
• 34:07
  Speaker: And that's why I guess they were
• 34:08
  Speaker: wanting more information from
• 34:10
  Speaker: you, I guess, is the
• 34:11
  Speaker: frustration.
• 34:12
  Speaker: If his sisters wouldn't have did
• 34:14
  Speaker: what they did that night, I
• 34:16
  Speaker: wouldn't mind to give them his
• 34:18
  Speaker: stuff.
• 34:19
  Speaker: But they did what they did that night.
• 34:22
  Speaker: They ruined it.
• 34:23
  Speaker: They could have came here peacefully and asked me, instead
• 34:26
  Speaker: of threatening to break in my house and take it then.
• 34:31
  Speaker: See, I was willing to even go
• 34:33
  Speaker: out there and help search for
• 34:35
  Speaker: him.
• 34:36
  Speaker: I got told that, uh, they were saying.
• 34:40
  Speaker: I'm.
• 34:41
  Speaker: I did something.
• 34:42
  Speaker: No, no. You're wrong.
• 34:44
  Speaker: I didn't do nothing to Zach.
• 34:45
  Speaker: I would I could never do nothing to Zach.
• 34:48
  Speaker: I love that boy to death.
• 34:49
  Speaker: He's like a big brother to me that I. My older brother and me
• 34:53
  Speaker: really don't get along.
• 34:54
  Speaker: So he was like a big brother to me.
• 34:56
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker: Now.
• 34:57
  Speaker: And it makes sense that you want to protect him and not, you
• 34:59
  Speaker: know, if he wants to go off and be off the grid.
• 35:00
  Speaker: I mean, that's not illegal to
• 35:02
  Speaker: want to just disappear and be
• 35:03
  Speaker: left alone.
• 35:04
  Speaker: I mean, why would you set your
• 35:06
  Speaker: son up knowing he's paranoid of
• 35:07
  Speaker: cops?
• 35:07
  Speaker: I understand that you were wanting to find him.
• 35:10
  Speaker: Yeah, but using the cops, knowing that he has paranoia of
• 35:13
  Speaker: cops are just going to entice him to run harder.
• 35:18
  Speaker: Right.
• 35:19
  Speaker: And I think one of their
• 35:20
  Speaker: concerns, too, is that he's on
• 35:21
  Speaker: that medication for, you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker: his issues.
• 35:23
  Speaker: And if he's not on that kind of like, does he break his pill
• 35:26
  Speaker: bottles with him?
• 35:27
  Speaker: But I mean, how long does that last day, the day before we left
• 35:32
  Speaker: this driveway and I dropped him off about a block away from the
• 35:36
  Speaker: welcome sign on sixty eight.
• 35:39
  Speaker: He took his medicine.
• 35:41
  Speaker: I watched him take his medicine, and then he put his pill bottles
• 35:44
  Speaker: in his pocket.
• 35:45
  Speaker: Uh, depending on how much
• 35:48
  Speaker: medicine was in the pill
• 35:49
  Speaker: bottles.
• 35:49
  Speaker: Because I didn't open them up
• 35:51
  Speaker: and look because they were in
• 35:52
  Speaker: his pocket.
• 35:53
  Speaker: But I know he took all.
• 35:55
  Speaker: I took his medicine that he was supposed to before we left, and
• 36:00
  Speaker: then he put his pill bottles back in his pocket.
• 36:02
  Speaker: Is there anything else you went out to clear the air for?
• 36:04
  Speaker: Anything you want anyone to know?
• 36:06
  Speaker: I'm not this horrible person.
• 36:08
  Speaker: They're.
• 36:09
  Speaker: They're making me out to be.
• 36:10
  Speaker: Uh. I'll tell you that right now.
• 36:12
  Speaker: I meant me and Zach are tighter than two peas in a pod.
• 36:16
  Speaker: Yes.
• 36:16
  Speaker: If I knew where he was at and he asked me not to say something.
• 36:20
  Speaker: I'm not saying nothing because that's my my brother.
• 36:23
  Speaker: And he would do the same for me
• 36:25
  Speaker: if I. If I didn't want no one
• 36:26
  Speaker: knowing.
• 36:27
  Speaker: So unfortunately, he hasn't contacted me.
• 36:31
  Speaker: He hasn't came by.
• 36:33
  Speaker: I'm getting reports that he's in town.
• 36:36
  Speaker: His ex-wife is sending him gift cards through Cash App.
• 36:40
  Speaker: And the truck that, uh, my
• 36:43
  Speaker: friend Ty's wife seen him in is
• 36:46
  Speaker: hers.
• 36:47
  Speaker: And maybe they they should start asking, why is Karen sending him
• 36:53
  Speaker: gift cards knowing that that can't be tracked.
• 36:56
  Speaker: Right.
• 36:57
  Speaker: Has anybody talked to Karen?
• 36:59
  Speaker: I asked Karen, but, you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker: just, you know, the, the role is
• 37:03
  Speaker: they.
• 37:04
  Speaker: Oh, I ain't seen him.
• 37:05
  Speaker: I said, I just don't want you getting in trouble.
• 37:07
  Speaker: So. And believe me, when, when
• 37:09
  Speaker: it comes down to it, I'm telling
• 37:12
  Speaker: the truth.
• 37:12
  Speaker: I'm not going to lie about it.
• 37:14
  Speaker: I kept every message when the.
• 37:18
  Speaker: The first detective called me, it was a female.
• 37:22
  Speaker: I talked to her.
• 37:23
  Speaker: I tried to help out as much as I can, but when you.
• 37:27
  Speaker: when you make me out to be this horrible person that I'm not
• 37:31
  Speaker: that that's one thing.
• 37:32
  Speaker: I'm not going to help someone
• 37:34
  Speaker: that is making me out to be this
• 37:36
  Speaker: horrible person.
• 37:38
  Speaker: And I'm weird and strange.
• 37:41
  Speaker: Anyways, like his sister Ceecee said, I wasn't weird and strange
• 37:46
  Speaker: when Zach was around.
• 37:48
  Speaker: Why am I weird and strange now
• 37:50
  Speaker: that he decided to go off the
• 37:52
  Speaker: grid?
• 37:54
  Speaker: It's not unusual for Zach to go off the grid.
• 37:56
  Speaker: Yeah, they mentioned that.
• 37:58
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker: I didn't even know he left my house, and at the time, I had
• 38:02
  Speaker: cameras and I could see who's around my house and it wouldn't
• 38:07
  Speaker: record, but I. I would have seen him and he was able to get out
• 38:11
  Speaker: of his the garage and out into the woods without me ever
• 38:16
  Speaker: noticing and see, I texted him the next day, May thirty first.
• 38:21
  Speaker: I said, Bud, if you get this, call me please.
• 38:26
  Speaker: The next day I texted him and
• 38:27
  Speaker: asked and just to see if he
• 38:29
  Speaker: would respond.
• 38:31
  Speaker: No one respond.
• 38:32
  Speaker: We kept trying.
• 38:33
  Speaker: My wife called.
• 38:35
  Speaker: This lady found his phone.
• 38:38
  Speaker: She called.
• 38:39
  Speaker: She was talking to me, talking to me.
• 38:42
  Speaker: She said, who is this?
• 38:44
  Speaker: I said this.
• 38:45
  Speaker: That's my brother's phone.
• 38:47
  Speaker: Where did you find it?
• 38:48
  Speaker: You need to get a hold of the Warren County Sheriff's
• 38:51
  Speaker: Department and let them know.
• 38:53
  Speaker: They even found packs of cigarettes with him, uh, with
• 38:57
  Speaker: with the phone around the area of the phone, I was told.
• 39:03
  Speaker: So he.
• 39:04
  Speaker: I bought him four packs of cigarettes.
• 39:07
  Speaker: Apparently not.
• 39:08
  Speaker: Or they just fell out of his pocket when he tried to, uh,
• 39:13
  Speaker: when he lost his phone because he was wearing a baggy, uh,
• 39:18
  Speaker: baggy, uh, black jacket.
• 39:21
  Speaker: So it's possible this stuff just fell out of his pocket.
• 39:24
  Speaker: Yeah, they probably just slipped out of his pocket.
• 39:27
  Speaker: The phone, the way his sister is talking, that it was placed.
• 39:32
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 39:34
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 39:35
  Speaker: That's the possibility.
• 39:36
  Speaker: Because if he turned my location off on my phone when I allowed
• 39:39
  Speaker: him to use it, that just tells you he didn't want to be found
• 39:43
  Speaker: when Jared West came here.
• 39:46
  Speaker: I told him, I said, if you want to go through my phone records,
• 39:50
  Speaker: I will go with you.
• 39:51
  Speaker: He he said, yeah, we'll come by tomorrow.
• 39:55
  Speaker: I said, I'll go up there and
• 39:56
  Speaker: I'll, I'll even have AT&T show
• 39:58
  Speaker: you everything.
• 40:00
  Speaker: I am not going to hide nothing.
• 40:02
  Speaker: You can look through my phone calls.
• 40:05
  Speaker: I'll show you all my texts between him and me.
• 40:09
  Speaker: I mean, if there's a day that you want to do a a live from
• 40:13
  Speaker: TikTok explaining this, I'll go on live with you.
• 40:17
  Speaker: This way the whole world can see the text message that in the
• 40:22
  Speaker: conversations that we had.
• 40:25
  Speaker: Man has never had a disagreement.
• 40:27
  Speaker: We've never argued our fault.
• 40:30
  Speaker: If you had something to say to Zach, if he could somehow
• 40:33
  Speaker: listen, you know, what would you say to Zach?
• 40:35
  Speaker: Zach, if you're listening, dude, you need to get your ass home
• 40:39
  Speaker: because I am getting sick and tired of this.
• 40:42
  Speaker: You need to let someone know
• 40:44
  Speaker: where you're at that you're
• 40:46
  Speaker: okay.
• 40:47
  Speaker: I don't care whether you call the sheriff's department or
• 40:51
  Speaker: wherever you're at.
• 40:52
  Speaker: Just call them.
• 40:54
  Speaker: Let them know you're all right.
• 40:55
  Speaker: Let them see you.
• 40:56
  Speaker: They don't want to grab you or lock you up.
• 41:00
  Speaker: They just want to talk to you and make sure you're all right.
• 41:04
  Speaker: If you are out there listening.
• 41:05
  Speaker: I love you, bud.
• 41:07
  Speaker: It's time to come out of hiding.
• 41:09
  Speaker: If you're a friend of mine and
• 41:10
  Speaker: you're listening and you said
• 41:12
  Speaker: you love me as much as you said
• 41:14
  Speaker: you did, you need to come out
• 41:17
  Speaker: and let everybody know you're
• 41:18
  Speaker: all right.
• 41:19
  Speaker: I don't care how you do it.
• 41:21
  Speaker: Whether you leave a voicemail on my phone you know my number.
• 41:26
  Speaker: You call your mom, you call the
• 41:29
  Speaker: Warrick County Sheriff's
• 41:30
  Speaker: Department.
• 41:30
  Speaker: You call any law enforcement.
• 41:33
  Speaker: I don't care where you're at
• 41:34
  Speaker: that it won't tell them where
• 41:36
  Speaker: you're at.
• 41:36
  Speaker: Just they'll let the detectives know you're okay.
• 41:42
  Speaker: I want to thank Chris for coming
• 41:44
  Speaker: on and sharing his side of the
• 41:45
  Speaker: story.
• 41:45
  Speaker: You know, he's taking a bit of a risk in doing so.
• 41:49
  Speaker: So I appreciate that.
• 41:51
  Speaker: Hopefully it helps bring Zach home, and hopefully Chris and
• 41:54
  Speaker: Zach's family can come to some sort of agreement where they're
• 41:58
  Speaker: all on the same page.
• 41:59
  Speaker: Again, if you have any
• 42:01
  Speaker: information on the whereabouts
• 42:02
  Speaker: of Zachary Cary, give the
• 42:04
  Speaker: Warrick County Sheriff's
• 42:05
  Speaker: Department a call at eight one
• 42:06
  Speaker: two eight nine seven six one
• 42:09
  Speaker: eight zero.
• 42:11
  Speaker: And there's more information on Zach at RiverCityMystery dot
• 42:15
  Speaker: com slash sixteen.
• 42:18
  Speaker: Thanks for listening.
• 42:19
  Speaker: And until next time, take care.