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The Week That Was – 10th March 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was and joining
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  Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning. We have got The
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  Speaker 1: Colp's Mary Claire Boothby, good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning again Katie and your listeners.
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  Speaker 1: We've got nine News, Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, Good morning to you, Moning.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the Independent, Kesier Puric, Good morning, Keezier.
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  Speaker 3: Morning, Katie, Morning Bush People.
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  Speaker 1: And from the Labor Party, we've got Brent Potter, Good morning.
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  Speaker 4: Brent, morning, Katy morning. List is great to be back.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you all in the studio this morning.
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  Speaker 1: And look there is a lot to cover off and
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  Speaker 1: we might start off this morning with the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we know there has been a survey of course released
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  Speaker 1: by the Property Council of Australia. They have obviously released
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  Speaker 1: this survey with concerns around property crime and anti social behavior.
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  Speaker 1: It was finalized a little earlier in the week. Ruth Palmer,
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  Speaker 1: the executive director of the Property Counselor, joined us on
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  Speaker 1: the show and said ninety five percent of territory businesses
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  Speaker 1: that had taken part. Excuse me, so there was four
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  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two business owners that did take part
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  Speaker 1: and property owners ninety five percent them said that they've
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  Speaker 1: seen an increase in crime and anti social behavior in
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  Speaker 1: the last six to twelve months. Now, she had said
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  Speaker 1: that she'd met with the Chief Minister about the results
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  Speaker 1: and it's understood that the government is going to examine
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  Speaker 1: those results further. But just some of those numbers. Thirty
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  Speaker 1: one percent of survey respondents said that they'd been spat on,
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  Speaker 1: seventy percent had experienced public urination or defecation, eighty percent
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  Speaker 1: had copped verbal abuse, and thirty two percent had received
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  Speaker 1: physical abuse. I mean, some of these numbers, I think
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  Speaker 1: that they're quite unsurprising for a lot of people, but
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  Speaker 1: shocking nonetheless, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Katie, this survey basically tells everybody what we already know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, business owners have been telling us for a
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  Speaker 5: long time. They're just sick of it. They're sick of
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  Speaker 5: having to clean up the mess. They're sick of their
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  Speaker 5: staff being abused and attack. And as you said, thirty
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  Speaker 5: one percent people have been spat on. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 5: just not good enough. You know, we tried to introduce
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  Speaker 5: mandatry sentencing for saults on workers, but labor shut it down.
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  Speaker 5: The survey itself, what you didn't say there was there
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  Speaker 5: was one hundred and fifty solutions that were offered by respondents,
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  Speaker 5: and a lot of those things were in line with
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  Speaker 5: what we've been calling for for a long time, like
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  Speaker 5: the mandatory sensing, like more police presence. And again we
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  Speaker 5: have a labor government who is just not listening to
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  Speaker 5: territorians and not responding in a way that they should
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  Speaker 5: to protect our businesses.
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  Speaker 6: What I thought was another interesting stat in that survey,
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  Speaker 6: it was seventy percent said that the crime antity social
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  Speaker 6: behavior is impacting their choices to invest further in their profities. So,
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  Speaker 6: I mean you walk around this Darwin CBD. I mean
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  Speaker 6: Alice Springs is a perfect example of how many shut
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  Speaker 6: up shop boarded up and you know, gone through so
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  Speaker 6: many smash windows and the like. They're not investing in
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  Speaker 6: those buildings that are sitting empty because they're like, well
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  Speaker 6: we're going to have to clean up a window. We
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  Speaker 6: can't afford the insurance premiums if you're claiming them like,
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  Speaker 6: they just keep going up. So that's a disappointing figure
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  Speaker 6: because that's what you need to improve people in the territory.
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  Speaker 1: We want people spending here in the territory. We want
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  Speaker 1: people obviously making sure that there is more happening. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess even I've seen myself and Brent, I know
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  Speaker 1: you've probably seen as well. In perrap A, there was
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  Speaker 1: a location there. One of the businesses there who I
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  Speaker 1: know that had their windows smashed and they'd ended up.
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  Speaker 1: They've just got the like the wooden sort of I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know what it's called. I would sort of stand.
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  Speaker 7: I think that a particular incident police reviewed CSVEN actually
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  Speaker 7: couldn't see how it occurred. But I do acknowledge that
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  Speaker 7: any social behavior has become a big problem for businesses
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  Speaker 7: throughout the city and in the electorate, there are definitely
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  Speaker 7: things at a local level you can do it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not here just to talk about my electorate.
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  Speaker 7: What I would say in response to what the CLP said,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, we increase penalties for spitting on emergency frontline workers.
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  Speaker 7: At the end of the day, Mantry Sendency and the
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  Speaker 7: law of form Societies said the same thing. It doesn't
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  Speaker 7: achieve the effect of changeing the behavior. We've increased the
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  Speaker 7: penalties and given judges more provisions to do that. We
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  Speaker 7: absolutely listen to businesses and that's where you trespass. Reform
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  Speaker 7: legislation that have been introduced to Parliament last sittings and
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  Speaker 7: we'll part us next thing. That'll make it a lot
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  Speaker 7: easier for businesses to issue the notice. It'll make it
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  Speaker 7: extreme a lot easier, very easy for police to enforce
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  Speaker 7: that notice and remove that constant cycle of telling someone
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  Speaker 7: to vacate, they come back, vacate, come back, and not
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  Speaker 7: getting an outcome.
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  Speaker 4: That will absolutely change behavior because I think we need happens.
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  Speaker 1: So in the situation where if you've got people that
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're from community, or you've got people who are
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  Speaker 1: long grasses, let's say, who are known to be long grasses,
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  Speaker 1: who are known to not have somewhere to stay, and
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  Speaker 1: you issue them with the trespass night, it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be pai.
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  Speaker 7: Look at it for two ways. You're looking at it
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  Speaker 7: for two ways. There has to be a reason to
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  Speaker 7: change behavior play. We pay for a significant amount of
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  Speaker 7: services that aren't always uptaken. We have to change behavior.
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  Speaker 7: We have to create that reason to take that service,
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  Speaker 7: and trespass for too long wasn't working for businesses.
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  Speaker 4: We have to wait.
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  Speaker 7: You know, the requirements of businesses and people to go
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  Speaker 7: about and enjoy the ambient life style. We havev in
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  Speaker 7: the territory, so trespass is one, but I think council
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  Speaker 7: by laws like this is absolutely across the whole community.
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  Speaker 7: Everyone has to play their part and council has an
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  Speaker 7: abs solute responsibility enforce their bilaws camping, illegal camping bilaws.
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  Speaker 7: They're not doing that at the moment. Police then can't
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  Speaker 7: issue the artists to move on because it's not their job.
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  Speaker 7: You know, they have their job to do. Everyone needs
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  Speaker 7: to do their bus.
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  Speaker 1: So you reckon. The council needs to move people on
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  Speaker 1: if they're drinking.
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  Speaker 7: Legal camping so you can't camp in a public place
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  Speaker 7: between periods of darkness and or sunset sunrise. I'd just
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  Speaker 7: like to see them put more effort into that as
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  Speaker 7: opposed to actually.
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  Speaker 1: See This morning, I was driving home from the gym
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  Speaker 1: at about I reckon. It was five forty five and
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  Speaker 1: there was council in Stuart Park area. There was actually
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  Speaker 1: council vehicles. They're moving people along who are sleeping. They're
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  Speaker 1: actually there waking them up and moving them along.
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  Speaker 4: I reckon.
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  Speaker 7: That's because Mark Mona has a really good local member
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  Speaker 7: and he's written a council to get them to start
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  Speaker 7: enforcing it. The problem is they've only got two They've
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  Speaker 7: only got two public place ranges for all of Darwin
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  Speaker 7: to know that.
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  Speaker 6: But the problem with that then is that the issue
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  Speaker 6: just gets moved to a different location.
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  Speaker 7: It does, yes, if you don't have the right service.
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  Speaker 7: We've got Larockie Nation, We've got all their outreach teams.
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  Speaker 7: They should be going together like we're doing in the
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  Speaker 7: Casarina pre single with the Social Law Response Team. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: if you're good to see Council involved in that initiative
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  Speaker 7: and the other government agencies, but they're not.
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  Speaker 5: It's more than just the people that are sleeping in
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  Speaker 5: these peace like I mean, the assaults on workers and
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  Speaker 5: just like the crime that happens even during the day,
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  Speaker 5: they're not asleep at that time. You know, this government
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  Speaker 5: continues to not have those clear and immediate consequences and
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  Speaker 5: that message gets spread around and that's why territories just
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  Speaker 5: don't have any conture.
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  Speaker 1: There's a couple of examples that I actually just want
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  Speaker 1: to give because I know that I spoke to the
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  Speaker 1: well A Bottle shopping Catherine yesterday ethel down there. He'd
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  Speaker 1: let me know that they've actually put in some massive
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  Speaker 1: concrete ballards, which is what we've seen our springs the
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  Speaker 1: men absolutely so that people can no longer sort of
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  Speaker 1: ram raid those bottle shops. We also spoke to the
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  Speaker 1: nouna mar tavern now Tony out there is looking at
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  Speaker 1: having I can't remember exactly how it's described, but essentially
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  Speaker 1: they would only go in later in the evening where
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  Speaker 1: they are like a spike that comes up and punctures
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  Speaker 1: someone's tires if they do try to ram raid that business.
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  Speaker 1: So there are two of the very big measures that
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  Speaker 1: are being taken, but just on the bottle shops as well.
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  Speaker 1: There is a lot of vision going around at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I've been sent vision from people who work in bottle
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  Speaker 1: shops also where people are absolutely helping themselves to alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: You know, business is at an absolute loss as to
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  Speaker 1: what to do as staff are being threatened by well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with poles with knives, with I've seen vision
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  Speaker 1: of literally with.
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  Speaker 3: Star pikets and a star picket. Its normal uses quite benign,
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  Speaker 3: but in the hands of someone who wants to get
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  Speaker 3: hands on grog, it becomes a lethal weapon and it's
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  Speaker 3: just wrong. You're right, Katie, there is has been vision
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  Speaker 3: on social media and I saw one. I think it
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  Speaker 3: was the one of the ones at Parmesan And that's
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  Speaker 3: just I can't have no words to describe. They are
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  Speaker 3: walking in, grabbing boozs and walking out and not even
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  Speaker 3: concerned fair enough for the employer to put some the
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  Speaker 3: staff look, just let them go because they don't Their
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  Speaker 3: priority is a safe workplace and safety of their staff.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean the audacity. Now, these people are not dumb.
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  Speaker 3: They are well connected through social media and their telephones
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  Speaker 3: and internet. The word has gone out around this town
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  Speaker 3: and it will go through Catherine Tenant and Nails and
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  Speaker 3: everywhere else. Just walk into a pub, walk into a
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  Speaker 3: bottle shop, take what you want because no one's going
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  Speaker 3: to stop you. Well, is just lawlessness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd spoken to Alex Bruce about this last week
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  Speaker 1: because I've actually had a number of people that work
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  Speaker 1: in bottle shops who'd raise this concern with us. You
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  Speaker 1: know that there is people going there, they're threatening staff,
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  Speaker 1: they are acting in a very menacing way, and that
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  Speaker 1: it's reached a point where the staff have been told
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  Speaker 1: do not approach them or you're gonna end up getting
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  Speaker 1: hurt yourself. Now, this is not anti social behavior and
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  Speaker 1: I know that there's a few different things that we're
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  Speaker 1: dealing with here, but this is very much criminal behavior.
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  Speaker 1: But Kisier, I reckon you hit the nail on the
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  Speaker 1: head there. It's a sense of lawlessness where you go
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  Speaker 1: like it's just I mean, I know, Brent, even while
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming even you can't sort of argue that it's
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  Speaker 1: totally unacceptable and it just should not.
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  Speaker 7: Be r that it's unaccepted, right, but you don't write
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  Speaker 7: anything about it. I'll let you talk in two seconds,
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  Speaker 7: and you're can have the air for them. The reality
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  Speaker 7: is you're right, it's criminal what happened there, and those
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  Speaker 7: people walked in. I'm led to believe that police know
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  Speaker 7: who they are and very surely they'll be apprehended. I've
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  Speaker 7: seen the footage myself. It was disgusting. They literally blatantly
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  Speaker 7: walked in and took stuff out the fridge and they
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  Speaker 7: had no fear. But I'm sure when they front the judges,
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  Speaker 7: they'll have some fear.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an isolated incident, make that very clear. But
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  Speaker 1: I also want to make it very clear that is
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  Speaker 1: not an isolated incident what.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about. I'm just saying that one I watch.
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  Speaker 6: And it's not just even that that starting point of
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  Speaker 6: them helping themselves and those workers feeling threatened, it's the
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  Speaker 6: aftermath of the impact of that alcohol being so a
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  Speaker 6: wash in the community. They'll follows through, you know where
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  Speaker 6: police at that point, some people ask of you know,
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  Speaker 6: when they're helping themselves, Well, we've heard so often that
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  Speaker 6: there are so few police that they're tied up doing
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  Speaker 6: probably higher, more important priority jobs, So they're not going
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  Speaker 6: to go to their necessarily when they've got other things
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  Speaker 6: to go to first, and then they're having to deal with,
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  Speaker 6: you know, domestic violence or extra violence afterwards as a
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  Speaker 6: result of that out.
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  Speaker 7: I absolutely agree with you that they are busy of
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  Speaker 7: an evening dealing with DV and alcohol, feel violence and
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  Speaker 7: the like, and so that would probably not be on
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  Speaker 7: the on the prior to this straight away, and that
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  Speaker 7: police do an amazing job. But I guess going back
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  Speaker 7: to taking it all the way back to the start,
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  Speaker 7: all of it starts in the morning, and if everyone
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  Speaker 7: does their bit early enough, then we start to see
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  Speaker 7: any social behavior being reduced in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: We're never going to stop crime, We're never going to
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  Speaker 4: be able.
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  Speaker 1: To compete if the council moves people on early in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. You reckon that.
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  Speaker 7: That's I think they need to work with police actively.
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  Speaker 7: They need to just enforce the by laws equally across it.
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  Speaker 1: Like you guys are passing the buck. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: you're going, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what's going to happen. They'll pass them
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  Speaker 3: out and they'll end up in the rule as they
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  Speaker 3: have before. They end up on the bike path behind
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  Speaker 3: Bunnings and they have fights there. There's a bottle shop nearby,
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  Speaker 3: and I know the woman who owns that bottle shop's
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  Speaker 3: privately owned, and I'm not talk to it on the
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  Speaker 3: way home because you know, this is just going to
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  Speaker 3: keep going, and it's going to if you move them
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  Speaker 3: out of the city, where are they're going to go.
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  Speaker 3: It's so like when people have problem dogs, where do
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  Speaker 3: they send them? You're going to sell your problem to them.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want the problem.
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  Speaker 1: And the whole point is that if you think that
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  Speaker 1: you can do something and get away with it, it's
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  Speaker 1: never going to stop. And that's how the community is
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  Speaker 1: feeling right now.
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  Speaker 4: Behavior.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's absolutely My point is that everyone has to
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  Speaker 7: do their bed equally, and I don't want them moving in.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to push the problem out. What I
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  Speaker 7: want is people to take the services we pay for.
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  Speaker 7: We pay for a significant amount of beds at Baton Road,
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  Speaker 7: we pay for a significant amount of rehabit AOD beds
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  Speaker 7: through Department of Health. We have all these services. There
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  Speaker 7: has to be a reason to force that change, to
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  Speaker 7: take that service. We can't continue to not do anything.
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  Speaker 7: And police have been doing a lot of heavy lifting.
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  Speaker 7: We need to support them.
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  Speaker 1: And so I mean, do we need to get back
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  Speaker 1: to the point where if people are drinking in public
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  Speaker 1: places and if they are doing things like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we got rid of the mandatory rehabilitation, but if you're
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  Speaker 1: saying that they're not going out to those beds and
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  Speaker 1: they're not actually utilizing those services, well why not.
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  Speaker 7: Well We've got a liquoraic review coming up, and I
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  Speaker 7: think that's the best opportunity for everyone to review how
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  Speaker 7: we've gone and put those forward.
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  Speaker 4: What I would say is the two kilometer will. Everyone
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  Speaker 4: talks about.
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  Speaker 7: It's still illegal to drink anywhere in the city, anywhere
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  Speaker 7: in Parmers the Captain, what's not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to call you up there because I've actually
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  Speaker 1: seen someone having bucket bong in Perap near your office,
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  Speaker 1: and I think to myself, if there is people doing that,
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  Speaker 1: they're not worried about getting caught drinking.
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  Speaker 7: So I originally thought that they were doing illegal stuff
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  Speaker 7: for the bucket bong until you go over there. Most
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  Speaker 7: what they do is they pick up cigarette butts and
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  Speaker 7: they actually do tobacco through the bucket bomb.
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  Speaker 4: I still call it in and police will come and
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  Speaker 4: they'll tell you, do you reckon?
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  Speaker 1: That's all right for the kids to be saying catching
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  Speaker 1: the bus in.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Do you call that anti social behavioral behavior?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, any social behavior because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: it's tobacco.
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  Speaker 1: You're okay with that happening.
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  Speaker 4: I just said, I call it and every time I
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  Speaker 4: see it, so I'm not happy with it.
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  Speaker 1: It's happening just at your office.
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  Speaker 4: It happens everywhere in the city, and it does happen
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  Speaker 4: in Parap.
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  Speaker 1: But so this is the kind of thing that I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about where you know, there's an excuse for sort
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  Speaker 1: of everything, Well, there's a reason for everything, rather than
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  Speaker 1: a how the hell do we change what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Because nobody is happy with what is happening. Pressure around
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  Speaker 1: the city or around the rural area or Palmerston or
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  Speaker 1: anywhere changing the laws.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we have a law maker law which is Parliament,
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  Speaker 5: and I mean we need to send clear a message
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  Speaker 5: out there, something really clear that says if you do
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  Speaker 5: the wrong thing, there is a clear and a meeting,
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  Speaker 5: there's a consequence for At the moment, it's like it's
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  Speaker 5: like kids his head, complete lawlessness. I mean, and then
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  Speaker 5: then the government turn around and say, well, okay, this
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  Speaker 5: is how.
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  Speaker 2: We'll deal with it.
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  Speaker 5: We'll give you extra money to strengthen your windows instead
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  Speaker 5: of strengthen the law like we'll you know, brought up
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  Speaker 5: you at shops, like like Kathleen said.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get the counsel to move more in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Right, police step up even more as an opportunity, need.
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  Speaker 1: To up finds or something.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I've just I've been told that the failure
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  Speaker 6: to quit a licensed premisist used to be five hundred
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  Speaker 6: and ninety five dollars and that helped venues and police
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  Speaker 6: move people on.
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  Speaker 1: It's been lowered to one hundred and ten.
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  Speaker 7: Serious, I didn't know that. But I'm happy to look
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  Speaker 7: at I mean, we'll look at anything to work. But
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  Speaker 7: I guess my point is the self give us a
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  Speaker 7: policy position.
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  Speaker 1: Tells, but you're the government actually sort out what's going on,
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  Speaker 1: because honestly, you guys are so focused on what they
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: say different times, and it's like, step up your bloody selves.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: People are so a to you. The community is saying
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: they've had enough excuses, Like the dead said, over hearing
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: the excuses and the same stuff every week. Jesu is
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: putting her.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: Hand up to the microphone, Katie, we do know this
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: poor station is so poor. I'm going to write to
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: them canny this. Clearly the bottle shops are a target
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: because bottle shops have booze, all right, and they want
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: to get their hands on booze. But this is not
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: restricted or just only booze. Recently, at the Nice dress
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: shops of Paradise near my office, a woman hopped out
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: a car, walked to the front of the shop, helped
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: herself to about six or so dresses, put them under arm,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: and walk back into the car. So what I'm saying
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: is this is happening. The lawlessness is happening in other
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: product areas. It's going to and it's going to keep going.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: They're going to walk into shops. I don't know the
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: cotton ons or what do you call them that the
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: young people go to. So they're going to walk into
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: shops that have whatevers and they're going to just help
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: themselves walk out, and the same principle is going to apply.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: The staff will not do anything because of the safety
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: aspects to their personal well being. So it comes back
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: to the lawlessness and that's not being addressed by this book.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Have just received a message as well from somebody who
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: does work in a bottle shop and this person said
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: it's already happening out in the rural area. B w
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: s how to grab and run in Humpty Doo last
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: week and Kola Lnga gets done as well already.
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: So there's two things to the bottle shop stuff. Recently,
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: the liquor cords have restood up. Well they've always been there,
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: but there's been a lot more activity in perhap you
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: can't buy alcohol without an address in the electorate.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Well, there's still people drinking around the place.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: Then I'm about to get to that next point.
• 15:42
  Speaker 7: Secondary supply is an issue and police are targeting that
• 15:45
  Speaker 7: is very it's an illegal substance. They're selling behind closed
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: doors at the back of car boots and the only
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: way you're going to stop that is with good policing,
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: and they're doing that at the moment. I think removing
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: some of the legal access to alcohol will make it
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: easier for them to target those people selling secondary supply.
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: But you asked me what we're doing in terms of legislation,
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: because we're to go and we'll run through. In November,
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: we did the Criminal Code Amendment build property offenses. We
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: reduced it from one thousand dollars to five hundred for
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: theft to make it easier to take that through to
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: prosecution file.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: We add it aggravating it.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: So say that again, so I got reduced.
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: Threshold, so you had to had to be over a
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: thousand dollars to meet that threshold.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: We reduced it to five hundred.
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: All of this has come on the back end of
• 16:19
  Speaker 7: what Triedent and those guys are doing in the property
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: offenses in crime space, we've added aggravating offenses for those
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: that go in company tools.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Of the trade. You going to the public with a tool.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Of the trade now meaning like a weapon.
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: Well, I think it's more around property offenses because the
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: Proper Offense Bill, but tools of the trade, so you
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: could say something. I know what that would be if
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: you're a locksmith, and I don't know what it's all
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: the trade is, but I'm sure we can find the
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: definition for you. Come back, Caddie, and then trespass you know,
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: will pass next month as long as you know, and
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: I'm hoping the seal up and looking across will actually
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: support this. It will make it a lot easier for
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: business to issue and move people on and they will
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: front to judge and there is a fine associated with that.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: And if it continues, their imprisonment associated.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: With that legacy reckon people are going to pay that fine.
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: Oh this is my personal opinion. I don't agree with fines.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: I think that don't change behavior. What does change behavior
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: is constant pressure.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: And I think so that means you want to do
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: away with speeding fines because that won't change.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Me speeding.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Health.
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: Did you speak? I get parking finds a bit, so
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: we can move parking finds. That would be great, But
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's what we're doing, Katie. You know, we're
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: probably not really great at getting it out there and
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: saying this is what we're doing, and we're targeting that,
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: but we have past significant lest but.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I think the hard thing that's going on at the
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: moment is that regardless of some of those changes, the
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: behavior does not seem to be changing, and people are
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: really fed up with it. So I think that that
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: is the difficulty that the government is really struggling with.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Is perception is everything, but the perception at the moment
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: is reality in terms of some of the crime that
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: people are having to deal with. You know, I've seen
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: vision from a licensed premises here in Harriet Place a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, and I'm not going to name them,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: but where they literally had a large, large group get
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: into that establishment during the hours that they are open
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: steal alcohol. Then when they were confronted by the people
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: that work there to stop them from what they were doing,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: there was literally children right up to adults, swearing, pegging
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: coke cans at them, doing all sorts of you know,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: disgusting behavior to a business that is just trying to
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: operate during daylight hours. And I know that the police
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: did go there, is my understanding, and that there were
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of people that were charged. But the point
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: is that it's not stopping, it's not getting better, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: everybody's feeling really fed up and unsure what to do
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: or what to say to try and get some change
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and to make sure that the government's listening.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: And I think a lot of people up here, you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: watching Alice Springs, watching Catherine, watching Tenant Creek and expecting
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: that things are going to get up to that level
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: soon enough.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, people aren't feeling safe when they're going.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: You talked about the issues at Wilworth's in the CBD,
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: that people don't feel safe going there of en afternoon
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: because of people loitering around there and the issues associated
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: with that. So many of the elements of those that
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: you mentioned, Brent involved the police. But we've heard so
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: often that the police are so busy dealing with other
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: issues that a lot of the occasions, as we've seen
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: in that property Council survey, those businesses don't report to
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: police because they don't rock up, because they're busy doing
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: other things. They can't because of insurance premiums and all
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: that kind of stuff.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: So we're treating the outcome, though, we're going back to police,
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: and police are doing everything they can I think exactly right.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: I feel the result though, so they feel like they
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: can't do it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: All and look we will get to that in just
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a moment. About the resourcing very clear.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to add to that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Out in Palmerston, we have a number of bottle shops
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: and supermarkets to sell liquor and they are slowly starting
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: to wind back the hours that they trade and it's
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: all due to their staff safety. I mean there was
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: a quote from a spokesperson that said our priority is
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: the safety and well being of our team, customers and
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: the community. And really if the files government actually had
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: the same priority, then I think a lot of this
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: wouldn't be happening. And we just feel like they've got
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: their priorities all wrong.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: very short break. You are listening to Mix one O
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and we are brought to you by Darwen Masda in Berrima. Now,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: look before we move on and talk about the EBAs
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and the movement on the EBAs and also the needs
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: for additional police as we have discussed at different times,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I do just want to talk about Alice Springs because
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: it is being reported that break ins of almost halved
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and domestic violence in Alice Springs has dropped by a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: third in the one month since alcohol restrictions were reintroduced
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: into the Northern Territory town. Now there had been a
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: dramatic decline in criminal activity in Alice Springs is what's
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: been reported since January, when the sale of takeaway alcohol
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: was heavily restricted by the Northern Territory government following a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: national outcry as we all know, and pressure from the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: alban Ezy government to replace lapsed laws. Now it is
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: being reported that youth disturbances have declined by thirty six
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: point three six percent in February compared to January this year.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: That's according to internal Northern Territory Police data which has
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: been seen by the NT News. Now, there was also
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty five unlawful entries across Alan Springs
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: between January two and thirty this year, which dropped to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: forty five point ninety six percent to one hundred and
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: twenty seven incidents in the following month to February twenty seven.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Alcohol is a factor and domestic violence was down twenty
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: seven point seven percent over the month. Now, I do
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: just want to point out because I've already had people
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: message me this morning that while yes, there has been
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a reduction, there is still somebody who's sent through photos
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: from overnight of apparently a government location in Alice Springs
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: that's been ram rated Territory Families. Was it?
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: It was got a government sign on it on the gate?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Goodness me.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: I mean it's great that there are drops obviously, that
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: goes to the calls for restrictions being brought back in.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: Was the right go because needed to be a reprieve
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: for residents. But they also can't be forgotten that those
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: stats were climbing month or month or month or month
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: the money. Yeah, so while there has been a decent
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: drop in some of those areas, it's going back to
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: you know, the starting point or where it was.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: A few years ago. Yeah, well look that. Sorry, the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: irony is not lost on me that Territory Families has
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: been ram rated, had their.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Gate two cars stolen from the compound. Yeah, right, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: the gate.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Is completely ripped off, so it looks like they've driven
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the stolen car out of it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Also, Katie, we also have to remember that there's reports
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: out of Mount Eyes or I think you may even
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: speak to there, that there's four hundred plus residents from
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Alice Springs that have moved that have gone there. Yeah,
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: so so you know when they come back what happens
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: then I think, you know, these things will need to
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: be taken into consideration. And the Alice Springs township, they
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: may feel like they're having a small kind of reprieve now,
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: but that's not going to larn.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: They're keen. So Mount os is keen along with towns
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: on and Cans to introduce a b because they have
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: seen people go across the border and they want to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: make sure that. Then you know there are people actually
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: having to show their license and having to show where
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: they're from to be able to access alcohol.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: Well, I know there's cross jurisixtional agreements between anti police
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: and q Pole because they're so close to each other.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: I mean a BDR and in Mount Eisen, I wouldn't
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: talk on behalf of the queens think goverment, But if
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: they think it's going to work, then obviously we'd absolutely
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: help them in that play. I mean that process and
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: getting it done. I mean that data you talk about
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: the question of is normal. It's delayed by a couple
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: of months, so that I don't necessarily think it's a
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: direct reflection of the change. I think we see better
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: number start.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: To do the commissioner. The commissioner said over the last week.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the iren't seen him say that's fantastic. I mean,
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: we had a lot of work to do in our springs.
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: We absolutely do. We have to work with families to
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: make a safe family environment so kids aren't out nighttime.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: We have to help people get rehabilitated that are addicted
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: to the substance, you know, whether it's alcohol or others.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Help the community to be safe.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: I was just about to get to that. I mean
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: bi secure. We made changes last year. I mean the
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: changes to the bi secure that the things you can buy,
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: et cetera, you know, and put in place a one mechanism.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: At the end of day, we need to be catching
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: people as soon as they do it first and foremost,
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: and then we need to be deterring people from doing
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: it in the first instance.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: Now, Josh Bergin's just sent me a text, Katie, and
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: it says reports are that eight cars stolen over the
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: last two nights.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: So I mean that's I mean, that's that's not insignificant.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Wait, yeah, well look on Also, we are also getting
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: messages and Crystal is onto this to see whether we're
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: able to get some information from the Northern Territory Police
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: or corrections that we are being told that prisoners have
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: escaped from Alice Springs prison overnight. I don't know, Bren,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: have you heard anything about that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: It's the first I've heard this morning, but I'm happy
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: to ask you guys.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll certainly see what we can find out as well.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so eight cars and.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: We're talking on the back of you know, years of
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: neglect from labor. In fact, I have to say Robin
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: Lanley's actually just text me as well, but yeah, she
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: said there's she said, there's been so much damage as well,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: and again, you know, it's just years of neglects like
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: if we just need to make it, you know, clear
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: and a bit of consequences. Again, it's the same as
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: the situation we're having in Darwin. I mean, this has
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: been happening in Alice Springs for years, and like Kathleen said,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: it's been horrible statistics, building and building and yet nothing
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: happening from the government.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: One of the things that was really sad that came
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: out actually through the week was the Australia Post Worker
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and I was not being able to work and them
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: having to suspend those those services. But it was just
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: terrible to hear that she'd been.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: She'd been threatened with the knife and then something else happened,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: or have been on stress leave and then Rocky roby
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and then yet rocks thrown at her. But I think
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: that in itself is a bad thing, without a doubt.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: But I think the fact that Australia Post has taken
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: this stand or position obviously to guarantee the safety of
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: their staff again, but that's going to impact across the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: broader community for postal services. Now, that's that's the first
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: indication of a seriously, seriously troubled town is when you
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: get your called Australia Post and the central service of sorts,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: when you have essential services withdrawn and then forcing people
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: to make a different, different decision about you know, whether
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: they stay, where they get their mail, what do they do,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: what they don't do. I think it goes back to
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: what I've said, it's the lawlessness and you're going to
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: see this happen with other agencies. I can't speculate what
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: they who they might be, but if Australia Post has
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: taken this stand, I can betch a bottom dollar. Other
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: businesses and government agencies are going to start to take
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: those kind of decisions.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: So people are changing their behavior so that they can
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: feel safe. Businesses are changing they're operating hours so they
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: can feel safe. Services are pulling out of regions so
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: that they can keep their staff safe. I mean, we
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: can't keep going down this route like this is exactly
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: why people are packing up and leaving the territory. They
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: just have no confidence that things are going to get better.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: There has to be some change. Now let's move along
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and let's talk about the fact that we understand that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Association Executive has endorsed an EBA
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: from the government in principle. Now my understanding is that
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: it is on the basis that an independent review into
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: police resourcing is conducted. I know, Kathleen that you had
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: also spoken yesterday and we are going to catch up
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: with Aaron Early from you know, I Voice a little
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: bit later next hour. But that corrections are all are
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: in a situation where they are nearing that EBA completion. Yep,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: So it's going to go to a ballot for members.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: But United Voice was happier with this offer three percent
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: and significant improvements to their allowances, which Erin I said
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: is nine percent injection for them in that first year,
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: so quite a significant drop jump up there.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: But obviously it's the latest.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Round of EBAs and there's still many go where are.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: We finding the money, Brent, that's a question for the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: treasure Yeah, well they'd say the same.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I'm a mere backbencher.
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: But you know, at the end of the day, I
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: think we've committed to go through each one of these
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: EBA negotiations in negotiating good faith, and as unions should do,
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: they put pressure on the right places for their members,
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: and you know, at the end of the day, the
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: members of those unions are our constituents. We want to
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: see them get the best outcome for themselves, but we
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: also want to make sure we're in a fiscal position
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: to be able to continue that going forward, because what
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: I don't want to see happen is, regardless of what
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: governments in we're sitting in a position again we have
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: to do a complete fiscal review and start cutting again
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: and raining in our spending. We want to go forward
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: into the next two decades and grow well.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: The hard thing was is that the Northern Territory government
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: had when Michael Gunner was the Chief Minister, he'd put
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that public service pay freeze in place because obviously we
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: didn't have the money for those Well.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: It can't be.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: But so then the big question is because I don't
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: think that we've really grown our own source revenue or
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: anything in those last couple of years.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: So I mean, I haven't.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And look, Brent, I know that you're not the treasurer,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: so I'm not going to ask that again, but it
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: is a serious question. Where is the money coming from, Katie.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: We know that I think the majority of our funding
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I think about eighty five percent coming from federal government
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: and that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Well, they're not paying for public service. That's just that body.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: That's the way it is. All the other states get
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: a big swag of money for through the commos for
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: GST revenues as well. But you're quite correct. Our own
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: source revenues are from mineral royalties, payroll tax, stamp duty
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: pretty much. And if you want more money in the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: coffers from own source revenues, then you've got to build
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the industry where those buns come from. Now, I've always
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: banged on about the mining industry. It's fine to have
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: a nice mind down at Adelaide, River Away whatever, call
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: lit in and all that sort of stuff, but where's the
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: next big mine, any major projects. The major minds that
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: are contributing to royalties are out at the granites, the
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: macarth River and gen COO. That's it. And they have
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to make a profit. So that's that part. Stand duty
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: obviously is about sales of property, purchasing, selling, etc.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: So if the market's not good for whatever reason, if
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: that Property Council survey said people are reluctant to invest
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: or to expand their businesses, that's where stamp duty is
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: generated from. You know, so and payroll tax. You've got
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: to be a big employer. So if people are not
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: coming to invest here or expand their businesses, they're not
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: going to employ more people. You know, we don't get
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: the sail. I don't know if you get payroll tax
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: from defense, but you know, defense is obviously a big contributor.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Shaking your hand. We need to grow our own big business.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: And I did speak to master Builders yesterday morning as
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: well about some of the delays to those defense contracts
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and some of the delays that they are experiencing because
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: there is a review underway. So hopefully that money is
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: still going to get spent, and we're hoping maybe even
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: for more, but nonetheless there is that delay this.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: Point well at least, and I think the once that
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: if they do make all of it public, I would
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: suspect they won't make every bit of it public, but
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: they will make parts.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: We'll see significant investment for defense.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: It's eight point eight percent of our GDP, like it
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: is a huge contributor to our economy. Two and a
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: half thousand out of Roberts and barracks past their families.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: That's not going away. The strategic nor North is not changing.
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: We'll see greater investment from the US and other partner
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: nations here through the USFPI arrangements.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: So that's a positive.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: And I mean you've got ara few resource example very
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: recently talking about how they're almost going to commence the
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: digging phases. I mean, at the end of the day,
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: there are significant amount of critical wreath mineral minds that
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: are looking to get up the biggest problem and barrier
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: to those of the off taking range. It's making it
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: financially viable to get it to start. State you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: and we've got people at Jason's schoolmeaster and when we
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: get a new Investment Commissioner, which is very close to happening,
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: I know they're going through the process at the moment.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: That's what their job is, facilitate that bring down the
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: barriers and engagement.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: We've struggled to this point. I mean, some of those
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: major projects that we obviously had on the burner have
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the fallen through or their long.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Because I mean, the ship lift is back online and
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I remember talking.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: About that before they had the design and constructor tender
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: recorded a bit earlier in the week.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: Get at part diligence going through Now.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: New owners, new partners, all the client steps up and
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: the client being the anti government. But they've got a
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: new owner and a new partners. Got to go through that.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: But the Sea Dragon and the cable one some cable
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: huge project project, but also dragon.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Seed, so.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Big projects. But also you know, I talked about this
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: before about giving the major projects to this which is
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: just a nice feel good thing quite honestly, but it's
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: also meant to expedite the approval processes. But they've sort
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: of fallen by the wayside and they may come back
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: but I doubt it. So there's got to be other
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: major projects come.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I know the major project it's called gas and the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: beat alone, but I think I don't No one really
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: wants to talk about fracking two.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: The Beatlo weren't including those projections.
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: So when we've been talking about the major projects that
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: come through in that investment pipeline, the Bedloo numbers aren't.
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: It aren't necessarily in that because they're not at the
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: point where you can say FID for every individual company.
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: But there are proponents that are progressing at great speed
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: for the Beadloo, and I think the Chief made of
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: comments very clear, will release that final report with all
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: the SHRIBA recommendations, et cetera in the coming And we've had.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Those budget blowouts to Katie.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, even Paul Kirby said last week that's everything
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: is under threat in the Northern Territory on a daily
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: basis because of the budget. I mean, who's to have
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: any confidence that those EBAs are going to be agreed?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Can I just go back to it, just that EBA,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: just for a second, and certainly with what my understanding
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: is with the police EBA. There are a number of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: things that have obviously been agreed to in principle. It
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: still needs to go out to the full rank and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: file to vote on that e BA. But one of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the sticking points from my understanding and from the documentation
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that I have seen, is that the Police Association want
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: a review into the Northern Territory police resources.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: And so they should. The last review was what we say,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: two thousand and fifty ten years ago, and I don't
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: know whether the recommendations from that review were ever implemented.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go back and research.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: Remember the one hundred and twenty extra police keys.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Of police.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I'd like to know where that number three hundred police
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: officers are required, Like I'd like mister small Page to
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: come up with some information. I mean, seriously, if three
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: hundred more police are needed, where did he do his
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: research to come up with that number. I'm happy to wait.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to find out if it's three hundred because
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: of research police have done.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But how can we might need more or less?
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Not sure?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Just of these figures are so nice and round. That's
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: what I said before, And I know he also mentioned
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: during the coronial that what is their resources for infrastructure?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: You know, like people still working out of sea containers
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: and things like.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: That five hundred million.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Now after I said probably silver bullets, but I was
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: told off the last time that no, they're not in
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: of a bullet bensh dilapolated sea containers, shipping containers. So
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: if if there is information that police have gathered, if
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: they have done some research to justify these figures, where
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: is it they.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Called for an inquiry into this.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Down asked for a parliamentary inquiry. That's not what we've
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: agreed to. An independent that's what we're saying. So we're
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: not we don't see a reason for politicians to sit
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: down and get plaid.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: So if you've agreed to do an independent the letter
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: that she's.
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: The letter that she's talking about, the discussion they've had
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: is we're not talking about a parliamentary one.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: We've been.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: That the government is willing to do an independent the government.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: I said, not you, because you're not. But you've just
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: confirmed that the document Katie has said that has called
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: for an independent review is actually going to happen by
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: the government.
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: I'll make it very clear. What I'm confirming is discuss
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: the paper you've seen. In the discussions they're having around
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: doing an inquiry, and it is an independent inquiry, not
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: a one done by parliamentary which is what the.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: N CPA has called shut down by the government constantly.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: But the point that I have seen as well from
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the letter that I've seen, is that that would not
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: happen twenty twenty four, So that it wouldn't happen this
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: independent inquiry into twenty four. Now election enough, I think
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that it should get starting to it. Theirs it could
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: take eighteen months, It could take quite a long period.
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: Of today most urgent, so by the middle of the
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: year there will be an electronic shift monitoring system. At
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: the moment, all their rostering is done manually, it's not
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: done electronically. That will give us an understanding, like you said, Keyser,
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: where all the resource is going, how the overtime is
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: playing out. You need a start state to do any
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: type of inquiry and review. So the first part of that,
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: you could say, will be the which we agreed to
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: to the NTPA in the last election, is the electronic
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: shift system that will tell us exactly where every resource is,
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: how many people are on leave, how many people are
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: on long term leave, holidays, et cetera.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: You know, I haven't seen the letter, Katie.
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: But if it is saying twenty twenty four, well then
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: you know, I'd hope and I think it'd be in
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: everyone's best interest to have that happen before the election.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good, so you reckon it needs stuff from a.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: Personal point of view, you know, and I can't talk
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: them behre for the caucus and that I would be pushing.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: Why that is straight politics if you pushing it out,
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: and that's not what I want to see. You know.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: I've come from a background where guys you know, go
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: out every day and put themselves on line. If the
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: if we've committed to it, and I haven't seen the letter,
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: then I would love to see that happened.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Before the election.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: But will you push to that?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Will you push personally?
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: I will, you know, from from a personal point of view.
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: But again, no one's given me the insight. I haven't
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: seen the letter, right, so I'm not the minister credit here.
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: You've got a copy of that, but I'm had on.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: You've got a lot of power here, Jock inside, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: don't see.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Can I just copy? When the Police Association says they've
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: agreed in principle to the agreement with.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And look there's a number of recommendations.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: What in principle means they've agreed to it subject to
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: terms and conditions.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: So subject to the police members agreed agreed. Yeah, but
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: if it's.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Got in there, if it's got in that agreement, the
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: whole package, apart from just what police people should get
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: or will get, then if that reviews in there, that
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: reviews in there. So I think we're going to have
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to ask the government exactly what is this independent review
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: that you've agreed to in principle?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Well, and look, yes, it's the Police Association Executive. They
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: are considering, you know, they're obviously considering a letter of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: offer and that they that there needs to be an
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: exchanging of letters to undertake the independent review into police resourcing.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: But this is exactly the point though that who said,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: I think it was you said, well, who's seen it?
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: How has it seemed?
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: Well, it's contra it's EBA negotiations done between the Office
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: of Public Employment, not necessarily the Minister of the Room
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: and the NTPA. Like for all intensive purposes, you treat
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: it commercially like not everyone's going to know. It will
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: go to the members, they'll get a ballot, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: like you said, he's agreed in principle. I'm glad that
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: we've actually got some principal agreements. That's a good start.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: You know. It means everyone's a their table when they're talking,
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: and we'll see how it plays out. But I've made
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: very clear my personal point on this.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: And well, and you know, I actually think, like I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: think that this needs to happen sooner rather than later,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: because let's be really blunt here, we've got the community
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: saying they don't feel like there's enough police. You've got
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the police force saying they do not feel as though
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: there's enough of them, and then you've got you know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Murray small Page, so they need three hundred more. That's yeah,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: during that corona. So I do think that we're at
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a point where we do need to actually do that
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: work and to determine exactly what's required, Katie.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I and maybe I have to do a question on notice.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I would like to know exactly how many police officers
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: we have here in the Northern thirty how many are
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: employed and on the books, whether they're on sick leave, personally, workers,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: comp auxiliaries, whatever, in the office, on the beat. How
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: many police officers do we actually have and I'm sure
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: there's someone out there listening that could tell me. But
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: if I have to do a question I noticed them,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: that's what I'll do because that's what I get asked
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: on my constituents.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: We're told.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I think it was Paul McCue, the Police Association Fellows
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: said that about a couple of hundred or so are on.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Since I know the Chief Minister visited yes on this show.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: People. If I was an employer and I had one
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: hundred of my staff on sick leave, I should be
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: run out of town. That's just outrageous to have that
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: many police of an employer on sick leave. Now, the
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: sicklyve is that broad term which covers sick because you're
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: physically sick for whatever, but I know it also covers
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: mental stress leave and all that sort of stuff. So
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: if you had one hundred of your employees, that's let's
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: say there's five hundred cops, So that's a fifth of
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: your workforce on sick leave. There's seriously something wrong with
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: your employees.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: Well, we're seeing in those police surveys of how low
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: morale is, so it probably doesn't come as much as
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: the prise of how many and how much work they
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: were expected to do during COVID as well.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Hearing reports out of some of our towns that their
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: police are being put out into those areas where they're
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: brand new recruits and there might be say two brand
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: new recruits without any senior supervisors. I mean that's going
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: to have a detrimental impact as well. So I think this, Yeah,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: there absolutely needs to be an inquiry into policing. We
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: have tried five times in Parliament to call the Parliamentary
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: inquiry and there's nothing wrong with having a select committee.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: They call it keesy. You can even vouch for this.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: There were several select committees looking into really serious issues
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory before this government was elected in
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty, and we have not seen any of them
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: been accepted by any member of the CELP or any
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: member of the Independence.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: The Member for Malca got rich.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Education by the Seal Select Committee.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not excepted as parliament by the AOP.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: I'm saying the SEALP put them forward to Dependence, put
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: them forward and Labor voted down because they don't want
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: to listen to anybody else except themselves, and that is
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: why territories just don't have any confidence in them.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's one hundred cent true.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Clearly we haven't accept any of them. You haven't yet.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: Hold on, you're asking for parliamentary inquiry. That's not I
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: don't agree that it's going to get the Act. And
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: the best inquiry that we can do is an independent
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: one where the NTI. It's not done by politicians. We
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: don't need to see that inquiry on the police front. Yeah,
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: I don't think it helps any to be honesty.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: To have independent roue for months now, opportunities for the
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: Minister to come out and launched that review, regardless of.
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: To be completely The one thing that needs to happen
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: first before any of this starts, because it's going to
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: give us another great starting point is that we need
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: to see the outcome of the coronial like you can't.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think you need to when it comes to
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: resourcing of the police and whether you've got enough police
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: or not. And I think you'd be hard pressed to
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: get the community to agree with that.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: You know, Okay, can I detect from my friend here
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: on the left that the government is not my.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Comrade here on the left and.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: My comrade on the left here, do I detect that
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the government is not doing anything because they're waiting for
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: the outcome of the coronial inquiry. A corona is meant
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: to determine how and what happened and why that coronals
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: are going on all the time in this town. Sixty
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: are they putting things on hold because.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: After it's finished, we are going to have to take
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a very short break. I do apologize, a very quick
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: break and we can come back and discuss more in
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: just a couple of moments. You are listening to Mix
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: one O four to nine. It is the week that
• 42:09
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• 42:12
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• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Gaizola and Marie Clare Boothby in the studio. Now
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: we know that the Reserve Bank of Australia raised interest
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: rates for a record tenth consecutive month, inflicting further pain
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: on households as it looks to wrestle control of three
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: decade high inflation. There is no doubt that it's having
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a massive impact for a lot of people around Australia.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: But we spoke to St Vincent de Paul's Society earlier
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: in the week here in the territory, and their CEO
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: had told us that there's been a thirty percent increase
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: in demand for their services. Katie it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, the Reserve Bank raised it again this week. Was
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: it last week?
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: This week? This week? Yeah?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: And interesting that I was talking to a young mother
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: yesterday and its two young tackers under three or whatever,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: and she was telling me that they're cutting back on
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: eating me. Yeah, she's got the cost of the babies
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: and that's fine. And I said, I, you've got dogs
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: and pets, Yeah, got them too, so you know so,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: and she said, I'm quite happy to do a bit
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: of vegetarian kind of meals, lots of meat, but they
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: have meat mostly on the weekend. Now, this woman and
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: her husband have got reasonably well paying job. She's on
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: maternity leave, and I've heard this similar kind of things
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: from people. Now, this is just little weed, dar And
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I tried to convince it that to buy meat from
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: a butcher, which is cheaper than buying it in the supermarket,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: because it is people out there listening to me. It
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: is cheaper per kilogram, cheap in a butcher. But you know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: it's people are going to start to cut back. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: what concerns me when things get really tired is people
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: cut back on things that I think they shouldn't cut
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: back on. And one of the things they cut back
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: on is insurance because you can't see anything. And I'm
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: talking about household insurance, car insurance, health insurance.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: So but then times get tough and you need it tough.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And something goes wrong like their floods, you know in
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: our town or Catherine or something where things get flooded.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: So that's what concerns me. And I know supermarkets and
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: all the shops with the you know, the self food
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: and groceries, you know, try and do their bit and
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: have specials and all that sort of stuff. But I
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: think sadly people are just going to have to pull
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: in their belts more. And as tough as that is,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I think you're going to see like the summits into
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: poor things and and those kind of people like out
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: and our rulier. There's the Bush Baptist Church. They do
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: food parcels every week in the rule Are plus they
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: got out to America once a week, I think, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I think they still go to Berry Springs though demands
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: on those services are increasing, but that then passes back
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: to all the food outlets because now they get their
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: produce from somewhere, and that's it's tough.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It is expensive and food shopping is ridiculous. Like, honestly,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: it's so expensive to buy groceries at the moment.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Kids, it's huge.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: For yeah, it is massive.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: One case, it's so nice out there.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: About how like if we compare ourselves to other parts
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: of the nation, because a lot of people will say
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: to me, oh, I know it's expensive, but it feels
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: like everywhere is the same and it wouldn't be any different.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: But we know here and this is an.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Anti cost report, that housing is fifteen point nine percent here,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: you know, higher and nationally only four percent. So you
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: can see that's a huge difference when you're in the territory.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: Transport cost is sixteen percent higher here compared to twelve
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: point five nationally. And that's also the other reason why
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: when we're out in our communities and we're talking to people,
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: they're like, it's just so expensive to live here. We're
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: going to look to see if we can get a
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: job somewhere else and move our family somewhere else, which
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: is a real shame.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: We don't want to be losing people. One of the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: other things though, that happened this week is their coach
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: at the Council of the Aging here in the Northern Territory,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: they were calling for the Northern Territory government. They said
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that obviously they're pleas that there is an increase to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the pension allow and allowance payments, although it's bloody bugger
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: all really when you look at it, but they are
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: also really calling for there to be for the Northern
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Territory government to help older territories by indexing the Seniors
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Recognition Scheme to the consumer price index and raising it
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: to six hundred dollars as well, was my understanding. So
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: they're just calling for it to go up a bit.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether that's something that the government would
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: look at, but I do. I think there's about twenty
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: thousand seniors on that scheme and you know, they contribute
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: a lot to the Northern Territory in terms of helping
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: us raise our kids. They help with like so much realistically,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and some of them are doing it really tough at
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the moment. I don't know whether that's something that the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: government would look at.
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, we've got about fifteen thousand seniors and
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: it's currently five hundred dollars. And listen, it's a massive
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: We can always do more, right, We can absolutely always
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: do more. The problem we got is when government spends
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: it increases on inflation, which then obviously when the Reserve
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: Bank trying their one lever, the one blunt object they
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: use as interest rates, which only affects one third of
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: austrainants you know, the other thirds investors and then renters.
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: You know, So if we start spending more money and
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: being a bit more liberal with our money, we start
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: increasing inflation. I don't think that's going to achieve the
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: outcome anyone wants. There obviously are things we have to
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: spend money on which contribute to inflation, no doubt, But
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: I think at the moment we're finding a good balance.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: We have other things.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: You know, there's twelve hundred dollars per dou for electricity
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: that the NT senior schemes give eight hundred dollars for water.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: You know, we're looking at two hundred dollars for their rates,
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: and that's about half your rates. So not half your rates,
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: some huge rates, but depending on where you live. And
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: then you've got another one hundred and fifty four dollars
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: for vehicle registration.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: We can do more.
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: I think the best thing we can do at this
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: point is just sort of try to reduce inflation and
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: government level wherever we can, and that is being very
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: considering what we're spending.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Ultimately, we are we're going to have.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: To take a very short break. We are fast running
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: out of time. You're listening to mix one oh four
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. Just a very quick update that I
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: have received though our Northern Territory Police say they did
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: receive a report of prisoners absconding from the Alice Springs
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Correctional Facility last night. Correction staff handled the situation and
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: there was no requirement for police involvement. So that is
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: what we've been told this morning by the Northern Territory
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Police in relation to those sconders.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Sorry, did you have some further so they never actually
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: got outside.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: Just said, from what I'm told, five escape is in
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: the accommodation block, but they didn't actually breach the prison
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: fence and the prison officers and guards did a great job.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Well, good, well done. Now we're going to take a
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: very quick break. You're listening to Mix in the studio
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: with us this morning, we've got Maury Claire Booth by,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola, Keisier Purick and Brent Potter. It's been a
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: busy one. Thank you all so much for your company
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: this morning. Mary Claire, thanks as always for joining us.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Katie, and I just want to say on
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: Sunday the Parmesan Magpies have their junior presentation for the
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: wrap up of the season. Big thank you to all
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: the volunteers and the parents who helped out all season.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: It's been fabulous. My little nine year old is the
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: goal umpire every.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Every weekend in the junior games, which.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Is really fabulous. He's got to see people down there.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: It's really good to see the young ones get involved,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: even in the officiating and the umpirings and stuff I
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: really like to see. Absolutely. Kathleen Gazola, thank you and
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: a big launch of your podcast this week. It's has
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: been amazing.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Thank you for.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Top up like you should do one with people who
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: have dogs, Dodgers children.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: My podcast.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: That's Brent's launching.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Post Politics Casy.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: If you're.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Thanks Katie and Big.
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: The Law Times and the Wins last week and for
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: the men's and women's Premier League going in the finals.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: This is our year, yeah, it's and the Gwyn and
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Nichols Medal obviously being presented this Sunday night as well,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: so it should be a big one. Thank you all
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: so much for your company this morning. We'll catch up
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: very soon.