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• 0:04
  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me back.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you, my brother. How are you? Always
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: great to see you. I'm good. It was fun having
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: you at the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 3: I was fucking terrified.
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  Speaker 2: You just looked like you were back.
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  Speaker 3: No, I thought that's it. I've been away for too long.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to suck. None of the new stuff is
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  Speaker 3: going to work. They'll see me. They'll go, he was
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  Speaker 3: wrong to come back. Fuck him off.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 0:32
  Speaker 3: It was so nice. It was so nice.
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  Speaker 2: You were telling the story. I said, hold these thoughts. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know you didn't. I didn't know we'd never
• 0:40
  Speaker 3: spoken about it.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me the story.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I came to America to start. I
• 0:45
  Speaker 3: got offered a job hosting a Catholic podcast. And they
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  Speaker 3: fired me. I packed up everything in Adelaide. This was
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  Speaker 3: like two and a bit years ago. I had the
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  Speaker 3: kids and the wife. And on the way to America,
• 0:55
  Speaker 3: I got fired. And they said, we'll still pay you rent.
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: It's in Steubenville, Ohio. Beautiful Appalachian. Town, just outside of Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, it's where we worked three months. I was there.
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  Speaker 2: So what did they see that they fired you for? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: a lot.
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  Speaker 3: They made a compilation video. No, the guy who showed up,
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  Speaker 3: they were right to fire me.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, they weren't.
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  Speaker 3: No, because it was a good, clean Catholic podcast. And
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  Speaker 3: then the business manager was like, there was a sketch
• 1:22
  Speaker 3: about stabbing someone in the throat with an AIDS needle.
• 1:25
  Speaker 3: They're like, he uses the word cunt all the time.
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: They're like, this is a sponsorship nightmare. Get him out.
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: So I said, okay. But they still said, we'll pay
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: you rent for three months and you can figure something out.
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: You still got a visa. And I was terrified. I
• 1:39
  Speaker 3: was just in the snow.
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  Speaker 2: With kids and a wife.
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  Speaker 3: Three kids, no job. I didn't have the money to
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  Speaker 3: go back home.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: We couldn't afford to go back home.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't know that I had been passed at
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  Speaker 3: the mothership because I didn't know how the system worked.
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  Speaker 3: So on the way in to go to Steubenville, where
• 1:55
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'll figure something out. I stopped in
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  Speaker 3: at Austin to see Shane. Shane said, go and do
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  Speaker 3: the Mothership open mic.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: I did it.
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  Speaker 3: Adam Higgett said, if you're ever in town, come back.
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  Speaker 3: We'll pay for sports. I didn't know that meant I
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  Speaker 3: was passed. I didn't know I could work here. I
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: just thought he was like, I could audition again. And then,
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  Speaker 3: so I had three confronting months in the snow. Beautiful
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  Speaker 3: part of the world. It was the most terrified I've
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  Speaker 3: ever been in my life.
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  Speaker 1: He says that as an Australian. That's from Ohio. No,
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  Speaker 1: I loved it. That's the most beautiful part of the world.
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  Speaker 3: I loved it. I went back and watched that Wild
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  Speaker 3: Whites of West Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where you're at.
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  Speaker 3: It looks exactly like that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that area is gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: It's God's country, but also so abandoned by, like, the
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: potholes are crazy. I saw real heroin addicts. I'd never
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  Speaker 3: really seen heroin addicts before. Just sleepy people. I saw
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: street prostitutes. That's still going on.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a small town, right?
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  Speaker 3: This is a small town. This is... I went... There
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  Speaker 3: are Catholics who have moved there to try and, like,
• 2:54
  Speaker 3: fix it. It was where Dean Martin was from. The
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  Speaker 3: Wu-Tang Clan kind of started out there.
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  Speaker 2: They're Staten Island.
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  Speaker 3: No, yes, but... I think it's, like, the RZA's auntie
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  Speaker 3: lived there, and they moved out there, and then they
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  Speaker 3: got involved in rap in the Pittsburgh... I gotta ask.
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  Speaker 2: RZA's on real soon.
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  Speaker 3: I believe I'm right about that. They don't have a
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  Speaker 3: mural for them.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: But it's great. There's... Yeah, there's a lot of Catholic
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  Speaker 3: content creators there. That's interesting. And they're trying to take
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  Speaker 3: over town. I went there originally because New Polity is
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: my favorite magazine, and I got to meet the guys
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  Speaker 3: who made it, and I was so excited.
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  Speaker 2: So how did they hire you? Wu-Tang's RZA found a
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  Speaker 2: second chance in Steubenville. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And they all come over to visit him.
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  Speaker 2: He discussed a largely undocumented era of his life in
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: which Pittsburgh played a role.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one of the first conversations we had. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, you said something about Pittsburgh that wasn't flattering.
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  Speaker 3: I said, I love Pittsburgh. And you're like, you don't
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  Speaker 3: know anything. You're a foreigner. You don't know anything about America.
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh is a horrible place.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I had a nice time there. I thought it was good.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a little depressing. See, the thing about a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those sort of industrial kind of towns is
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  Speaker 2: there's not a ton of options for people. Pittsburgh more
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  Speaker 2: so than the place that you were in. But when
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  Speaker 2: you get to a place where there's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of options and then you see real poverty, this is
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  Speaker 2: poverty with no solutions. You know what I mean? Not Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, just outside of Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 2: I was more fucking with you.
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  Speaker 3: No, I saw things in West Virginia that were pretty confronting.
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  Speaker 3: And some of it's great. Some of the things from
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: the poverty, wonderful. Drive-thru cigarette shop. I loved having drive-thru cigarettes.
• 4:47
  Speaker 3: Just like trying to get the kids to sleep. My
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  Speaker 3: wife's upset because I got her in a foreign, like again,
• 4:52
  Speaker 3: she never signed up. Let's move to America. She was like,
• 4:54
  Speaker 3: we'll go for three months. And I was like, oh fuck,
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: I'm unemployed. I better quickly figure out how to be
• 5:00
  Speaker 3: a standup comedian. I was busing out of Steubenville. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I caught the, I went, I got it.
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  Speaker 3: Someone gave me a lift to Pittsburgh. This is when
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  Speaker 3: I saw the worst stuff. I got a lift to
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and then I caught the Greyhound from Pittsburgh to
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  Speaker 3: Cleveland to open for Sam Talent, who let me open,
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  Speaker 3: who unbelievably let me open for him.
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  Speaker 2: He's the best.
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  Speaker 3: I met him in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Such a good guy.
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  Speaker 3: And, uh, but like that bus trip from Pittsburgh to
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  Speaker 3: Cleveland was, it was the most upsetting. Oh man. People
• 5:30
  Speaker 3: were spitting on the ground at the bus station. Like
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: an illegal immigrant woman came and tried to give me
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  Speaker 3: a phone. I remember that vividly.
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  Speaker 2: Give you a phone?
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  Speaker 3: She tried to give me a free phone. She's like,
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: you can have this. Because she said, you're on benefits.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone on benefits gets a free phone. It was some
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  Speaker 3: like policy. She just assumed I was on benefits because
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  Speaker 3: I was at the Greyhound bus station.
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  Speaker 2: And she was illegal?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if she was illegal, but she had
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  Speaker 3: a strong accent and like a weird dress and a
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  Speaker 3: baby on her back and a sack full of phones.
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  Speaker 3: A sack full of phones. She had like a sack
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  Speaker 3: of phones.
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  Speaker 2: So she was somehow in charge of distributing free phones
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  Speaker 2: to people?
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  Speaker 3: I'll never truly know what that was about.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, I would have investigated further.
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  Speaker 3: I was scared. I was just scared. Huge African guy
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  Speaker 3: sitting on the ground. Who tries to give you a phone?
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  Speaker 3: And then after that, I sat next to a guy
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  Speaker 3: who's having a full psychotic episode. I think we follow
• 6:21
  Speaker 3: each other on Instagram now. He's got one of his Instagrams.
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he told me the secrets about Chris Benoit.
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  Speaker 3: That he was a good man.
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  Speaker 2: The wrestler?
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  Speaker 3: He killed his family.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But this guy tried to tell me he only, he was,
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  Speaker 3: it's like burnt. He said he only killed his family
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  Speaker 3: to send them to God and you can't blame a
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  Speaker 3: man for that. Oh. All right. This is only a
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  Speaker 3: three hour bus trip. We're going to get through this.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy. Oh man.
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  Speaker 3: But I did, I did enjoy my time in that part.
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  Speaker 4: Of the world.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you probably enjoy it now that it's over.
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  Speaker 3: That you survived You make a good point Yeah There's
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  Speaker 3: some things If you asked me at the time Yeah
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  Speaker 3: There's some things that are not fun While they're happening
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  Speaker 3: But are really fun Once you got through it I
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  Speaker 3: mean I remember the people I met Along the way
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  Speaker 3: I remember driving to Austin And like It was like
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  Speaker 3: spring was Like the further south we got The more
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  Speaker 3: lush it became Yeah It was like Fuck I might
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  Speaker 3: be okay And then someone let me stay in their
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: house I didn't have a house to stay in So
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: my A podcast listener's friend Let us stay in their
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  Speaker 3: With your family? With my whole family. Let us house
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  Speaker 3: sit for them while they were in Japan.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: The whole time it was like, if I don't get
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  Speaker 3: past the mothership now, I don't think people should come
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  Speaker 3: here and live in their cars with their family. But
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  Speaker 3: it does, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Lights a fire under your ass. It worked.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like if you're forced into action.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like you had no, not just yourself. Like you could go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: woe is me. But when you're a father and a husband,
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  Speaker 2: you have children.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And people who do not have children do not understand
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  Speaker 2: the drive that it gives you to protect and care
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  Speaker 2: for those little people. It's kind of crazy. So you'll
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  Speaker 2: find something.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't understand how people do it without, like
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  Speaker 3: I meet men who are really driven and motivated and
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  Speaker 3: they have no kids, but they're like every day they're working.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what their motivation is. Before I had kids,
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  Speaker 3: I was just, what are you going to buy?
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  Speaker 2: They're in a, they're in a game. They're playing a game.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just playing this game of accumulate the most stuff,
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  Speaker 2: be able to brag about the most stuff you have.
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  Speaker 3: I would so much rather lie down. I would rather
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  Speaker 3: not do anything if I had a choice.
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  Speaker 2: But not really because you love doing comedy.
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  Speaker 3: I love doing comedy, but I never, before I had kids,
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  Speaker 3: was trying to do comedy that people would enjoy. Do
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I think that is also, though, because you were living
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: in Australia and there's limited options. Right. Can you explain
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: like the Australian system is very different than America? It's
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: mostly festival driven, correct?
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  Speaker 3: It's festival driven and it's to a much greater extent.
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  Speaker 3: I've thought about this. It's like industry driven.
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  Speaker 2: Industry?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which industry?
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  Speaker 3: Like managers and agents, which is one role in Australia,
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  Speaker 3: but they are deciding who's succeeding and TV people are
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  Speaker 3: deciding who's succeeding. Whereas like in America, everybody is on
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  Speaker 3: the road. Everybody has one or two openers.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a whole lineage of who brought who up
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  Speaker 3: in the business. Dan Soda had Nick Mullen, Tim Dillon,
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  Speaker 3: and Shane Gillis open for him. Those were his openers.
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  Speaker 3: And not because they were successful or someone wanted them
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  Speaker 3: to thrive. He just thought they were funny people. And
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: they got to be his openers. I don't know who
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  Speaker 3: you were opening for, but you have people who come up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't really do it. I didn't have it
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  Speaker 2: that way. I do it that way, but I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have it that way. I didn't really come up with
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  Speaker 2: anybody where I opened for anybody. But I had a
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  Speaker 2: very weird path to success.
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  Speaker 3: You also, you got to go to LA and just
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  Speaker 3: be in the milieu. Like there's a scene there. There's
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: I came out to L.A. with a job already. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I was on a sitcom already.
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  Speaker 3: You started in Boston though.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Started in Boston. Look, it's very embarrassing how lucky
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  Speaker 2: I am. I'm like one of the luckiest people that's
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: ever lived. Like stumble upon success after success. So when
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: I was six years into comedy, I was already on TV.
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  Speaker 2: So I was three years into comedy. I was basically
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: barely getting paid. I was barely a professional. Like I
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: was getting some spots in bars and stuff like that.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: I was making money, but I was driving limousines. I
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: was doing odd jobs, doing different things. And I was
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: also still teaching at the time. I was still teaching
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: Taekwondo for the first maybe six months or so when
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: I was 21.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: I think I kept teaching and then I eventually had
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: to quit because I realized I could not commit to
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: doing both things. I don't want to half-ass my students
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: and I don't want to. So, so for the first two,
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  Speaker 2: three years of comedy, barely, you know, I'm barely a comedian.
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  Speaker 2: Just I'm trying, I'm trying to do it. I'm getting
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  Speaker 2: some laughs. Met a manager as an open miker and
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: he brought me to New York and he's still my
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: manager today. Wow. The best.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's total luck. Total luck. You're also a super handsome guy.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen you then.
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  Speaker 2: I was boy pretty.
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  Speaker 3: You look like a fucking different person. First of all,
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: not worse. It is crazy. But also a lot of
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: those comics you started with, who maybe it took longer,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say hideous, but they didn't look.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that definitely helped me get on television. It definitely
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: helped me get on television. So I did the MTV
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Half Hour Comedy Hour in 1993, I believe it was.
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  Speaker 2: And next thing you know, I had a development deal.
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  Speaker 2: Next thing you know, I was on a sitcom and
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: living out here. I mean, that happened fast.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: But do you think it doesn't happen for people? Do
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: you think there's anyone in America who has a good
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: work ethic and is really talented that it doesn't work
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  Speaker 3: out for in comedy? Or does it work out eventually?
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  Speaker 2: You'd have to have a health issue. Health issues or
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: a really horrible relationship. Those things could do you in.
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: Or you could have a drug problem.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll do you in.
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: Gamble your money away.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: That could do you in too. Yeah. There's a bunch
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: of things that can do you in.
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: But it's crazy that there are not a lot of
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: undiscovered geniuses in America in the same way. People will
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: want to make money off of you. If you've got it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's some people that are just really horrible
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: at marketing. Like Brian Holtzman, for instance. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: We had to kind of like force Brian Holtzman into
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: the modern era. Yes. And he's always been a comics comic.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: And he's always been a guy that we would all
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: sit in the back of the room at the store
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: and watch. But he was always getting these terrible spots.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until we broke. Because he never went
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: on the road. Brian and I started out together. So
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: at the store together in 94, we're both like, I
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: think he came in 93 and I came a year later.
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: And he was working for like Pan Am or something?
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: He was a dog catcher for a while. Yeah. He was,
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  Speaker 2: I think he might've been a meter maid.
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  Speaker 3: Is he here at the moment? I haven't seen him yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. He's here all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: He lives out here now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he'd gone off to Thailand.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he goes.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: Back and forth, but he lives out here all the time.
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  Speaker 2: He's the best.
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  Speaker 3: I went to church with him. I don't know if
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: I even know if I should tell this story, but
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: we went to church together once. And it was really lovely.
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: He took me out for breakfast afterwards because he's Catholic.
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  Speaker 3: And it was so funny because the priest at the
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: end gave the announcements. And one of the things he
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: was like, they're doing a parish, they're doing like, what
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: do you call it? Like a talent show for everybody.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: He's just announcing this to the whole like 300 people.
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: And Brian, he goes there every week. And they go,
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: so if anyone's got a skill. If anyone's a juggler,
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: anyone's a comedian, come and do that for the talent
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  Speaker 3: show for everybody. And he gave no impression that he
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: would be doing it. But I love, you fucking spoon-faced japs.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: I think he would be terrified and upset if he
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: had brought that. He's the sweetest man. I don't want
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: to give that away. People don't know.
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  Speaker 2: He's a juggler.
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  Speaker 3: He's a lovely man.
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  Speaker 2: He's a great guy in real life. He always was.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: Always was. Like, I've known him forever. So he's what
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: I would say is like an undiscovered genius because he
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: was a guy that was just fucking killing it but
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: never went on the road. He only worked the store.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: I rarely saw him even at like the Laugh Factory
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: or the Improv. I don't know if I could ever
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: recall seeing him at those places.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: But he had to consciously make the decision not to
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: go on the road.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard because it's not offered to you, you know?
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: It's like, how do you do it? If you just
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: do all your sets at the store, you kind of
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: have to have someone take you with them, right? So
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: what happened with me is I mostly did the road
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: around New York and Connecticut. So when I moved to
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: New York in, I guess, a 91-ish? Yeah, so probably
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: like 91-ish. And so when I moved there... The real money,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: like to be able to pay bills, was in the road.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: It was not in New York City. New York City
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: did not pay very well. You can get a lot
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: of spots. But also I was really new, so maybe
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I couldn't have gotten a lot of spots. But I
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: could get a lot of spots doing gigs for like
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: John Shuler. He had a whole Connecticut run that you
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: could do. They were great gigs. They'd pay like 300
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: bucks a night. Or you could do Gonzo at a
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: bunch in New Jersey, and those paid really well.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Did this collapse at some point?
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: No, there's still probably some sort of a network of
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: road shows.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Louis has a story on someone's podcast about crashing his
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: motorcycle and then a bubble bursting. I don't know if
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: he was speaking.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: A bubble bursting?
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: It was like comedy. All of a sudden, clubs started
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: to close.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Well, there's been ups and downs with that. There was...
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I came into comedy in 88, and apparently in 84
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: in Boston, it was even better.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Like, there was, like, a peak in Boston. I'm like, really?
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Because when I came in, it was amazing. There was
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: clubs everywhere. Like, nah, you missed it. So there's always
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: been this, like, up and down of clubs closing. But, like,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: New York is on the rise right now. There's a
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: bunch of clubs that have opened up in New York.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: New York's comedy right now is fucking doing great.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I hope, yeah, I hope they can figure it out.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I was in, uh, last time I was in LA,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: the spirit was so, I was never in LA for
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: it being great, but I've heard all the stories about
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: everyone's sports car at the back of the thing. And
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: there's this gig and that gig. And then I was,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: everybody like has no sense that it's ever going to
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: work for them. Like no one's even bothered to, it's
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: like three podcasts in LA now. I don't want to
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: talk it down, but like here, everybody is so hopeful
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: in Austin. And I can look at like, Peyton made it.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Like last night, I'm looking at that green room. I'm like,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: all of these people have money and are touring. And
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: they came here and they got to do it. And
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: the hope and the adventure. And when I was in LA,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: everyone was just.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: You might have picked a bad night, but it's also
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: like the comedy store has always been.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: That seems like it's getting better.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is getting better. Well, it's definitely getting better
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: because Rose is running it now. She's awesome. But I think.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: The Comedy Store has always been a top-down vibe. And
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: if there was a bunch of big-name national acts that
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: were really cool and fun to hang out with, then
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: it was a great vibe. And when they're gone, it
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: always felt empty. It always felt weird. This is how
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: it was with me in the 90s when I was there.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And I think that's how it is now. We're all
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: out here now. And then people kind of feel abandoned,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: so they feel sad. And then they get a little
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: mad at you. Like, yeah, you think fucking me doing
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: it in Austin. And so it develops a stupid rift,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: which is the dumbest thing ever. We're all on the
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: same team. And also you can work here too. Like
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: it's so dumb. But the rift is a real thing.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: But it's like you have to be around a bunch
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: of people that are having a good time to have
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: a good time. You can't be the only person having
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: a good time.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And the rift can be good. The rift can motivate
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: people to. Have you seen LeMay's Twitter?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: No, what's he doing?
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: He's just going hard on New York people and saying
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: fuck all of them and Austin's number one. He's doing
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: the same thing they were doing to him.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: That's so silly.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: New York is fucking great. I think he gets very
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: drunk when he starts swinging people.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: New York comedy is great. There's so many great comics.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Norman and Soder and fucking Andrew Schultz and David Tell's
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: The Best Alive.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know anyone who has children.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: There's great comedians in New York.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I don't see how you could have kids.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Gaffigan raised all his kids there.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: In the city?
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a super clean Catholic guy.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know how he's... Got some money. First of all,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: he's got some money.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Money has got to help.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Send him to a nice place to go to school
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: where they're not going to get eaten.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I think the trans thing is done in the schools.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's dropped off significantly.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I had really... Because we were homeschooling, and I was
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: just aware, because my dad's a teacher, and he would say...
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get him in trouble, but he
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: would report that the numbers were developing. And I think
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: as a social phenomenon, it seems to have like... Now
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: everyone just says they have an anxiety disorder.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Well, you know when it dropped off, like noticeably? When?
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: When Elon bought Twitter.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Would you stop pumping the content?
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Well, all of a sudden you could say whatever you wanted.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And so you could make fun of it now. And
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: then people realize, oh, this is a completely falsely propped
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: up narrative. Do you smoke cigars?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I quit all nicotine. Do you have alcohol?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I have a drink. I can get you some alcohol.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: If I could have a whiskey. I quit all nicotine.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I was having heart palpitations. I was doing it a lot.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I had a problem. I cannot do a little bit.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: You'll be backstage, you'll have one cigarette, and you're fine.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't. And I never smoke outside of right
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: before a show.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, all power to you. I can't
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I know how to shut things off, and I also regulate.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I realize when I have an issue. like the nicotine pouches,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I can just stop. them. I've gone on vacation and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: just not take them, and I'm fine. But I think
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: it's my biology. It's almost time for spring break, so
• 19:57
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• 19:59
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• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I was quitting when I went back to Australia and
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I came off nicotine at the same time. I think
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: that was the closest to serious, unpleasant.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think I ever got through to abusive, but man,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of shouting at the family.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: What the fuck are you doing? Put it down!
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I was not happy.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: How long did it last?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: For a month, I was real bad.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I was real bad.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. For me, I don't know what it is, man.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I could just put it alone, leave it alone, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I'm fine. And I monitored myself. I went on vacation
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: for like eight days with the family. Nice. And I said,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: all right, no nicotine pouches. Let's see what happens. You
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: were fine? Let's see if I go crazy.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I was waiting. Nothing. Nothing happened. Nothing. Was it you
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: with the pouches? Was it the pouches?
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I loved the pouches. That's interesting. I got on the
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: pouches to get off the cigarettes, and then I had
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: to go on the cigarettes to get off the pouches.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Then I was having cigarettes and pouches and the gum,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: and my heart would start to go, and my mood would, like,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: go way up and way down.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But I got a lot done.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: See, I get addicted to things. Yeah. Like, doing things. Like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: real bad. Like, I used to get addicted. Archery, sure,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: but the thing about archery is you can only do
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: it so much. Archery's good, because it's... you know, my
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: bow is 80 pounds to pull back.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: And so if I'm pulling it back and I have
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: another one that's 90. And so when I'm pulling it
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: back 80 pounds, you can only do that so many times.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I could do that maybe a hundred times
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in a day and my fucking shoulder is blown out.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: If you're hunting though, I mean, you're not shooting very often,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but you wouldn't be able to get so tired that
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: if you, no, no, no, no, no.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: When you're hunting, first of all, you're jacked up with adrenaline. Like,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like you could pull a branch off a fucking tree.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: You're so jacked up with adrenaline. You're just trying to
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: stay calm. Like when you're about to pull your bow,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the bow comes, pulls back effortlessly. It's like, it's like
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you don't even notice that it's, it pulls back so easy.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: You're so ramped up. You're not even thinking about it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: How often are you doing that?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Bow hunting?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Seriously, only a couple times a year. Okay. Because I'm
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: elk hunting, you know, and if I get an elk. Seasonal? Yes. Okay.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: It's September, September and October. Those are the times. But
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: in Texas, we hunt pigs sometimes. We have a lease
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: out here, so we'll go and hunt with a few
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of my friends from archery country. Shout out to Tyler.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: And my friend Evan from Black Rifle Coffee. We'll go
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: out to- Wild pigs? Oh, they're everywhere. Okay. They're infested.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Wild pigs are all over Texas.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: There's millions of them. Like, literally millions of them. Like,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: one time they opened up a highway. Like, they built
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: this new highway, and the day it opened up, they had, like,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: this fucking ridiculous amount of accidents because people were hitting
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: wild pigs. Because there were so many wild pigs out
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: there that they're just crashing into them on the road
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: with this new highway.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Because the pigs had never.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Seen cars before on this spot because they hadn't finished
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the road yet. And then all of a sudden there's
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: cars everywhere and these wild pigs are just getting fucking lambasted.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Because in Australia when they have a kangaroo problem and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: it's a similar thing.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Cheers, sir.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Cheers.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: God bless.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: God bless.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: They Gatling gun them from the sky.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: They do that here. They do that here at a helicopter.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You could do it if you want while you're in town.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I'll set it up. You know, I.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Would feel guilty. That would have been not a sporting
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: way to start hunting would be the machine gun.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It's a different kind of hunting because it's a necessity hunting, right?
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I want to eat what I kill. If I kill something,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I want to eat it. And the thing about these
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: wild pigs is they're gunning down 20, 30, 40 of
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: them in a day. They're doing them out of helicopters
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: with machine guns. There's a bunch of companies that do it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: There's a video of Ted Nugent and this guy named Pigman.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Pigman is like a famous bow hunter that lives in Texas.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And it's called Aporkalypse Now. And they're in a helicopter.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Ted Nugent and Pigman in a helicopter. And they gunned
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: down like 240 pigs in a half-hour podcast. Not podcast. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Hunting show.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: That would be a great podcast.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: He's called Pig Man? Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: He's a pig-killing human.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: His name's Brian. His name's Brian.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It's Pig Man. Brian the Pig Man. He just kills
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of wild pigs. But it's a necessity out here.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Look at this. But you have to understand how many
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: pigs they have out here and the kind of damage.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: That's Pig Man. And the kind of damage that these
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: pigs do to agriculture. They go through fences and they
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: fuck up crops. Livestock gets out and there's a lot
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: of shit with God. Yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's crazy Is this the argument for bringing wolves
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: back in? No, do not bring bull No, I'm against it,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: but I don't understand the what is the most pro
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: is there one sensible argument for bringing back in apex
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: predators to.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Well, there's arguments for it. You could make an argument
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: for it. The problem is I you do not understand
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: no one understands what the ultimate result is going to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: be of introducing predators there is a very strong reason
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: why they eradicated wolves from the west coast yeah and
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: from the United States because they fucking kill everything they're
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: super smart apex predators they work in packs unlike any
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: other animal they're very different and they kill everything and
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you can't do shit.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: About them and they kill people also like in the
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: UK they got rid of them hundreds of years ago
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: yeah so it's like they celebrated.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: It they got rid of them in America too I mean,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and now these fucking greenies, these softies that really don't
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: understand nature want to bring them back. So there's a
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: good argument in some ways that having some predators would help.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But the predators were slowly moving their way back into
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: these areas anyway. So they never eradicated them from Canada.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: So they would come down from Canada and make their
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: way into Minnesota, make their way into Iowa, make their
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: way into– not Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana. They had like
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: a small amount of wolves were kind of making their
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: way in. Then they reintroduced a bunch of them into
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Montana in the 1990s, into Yellowstone. That changed everything. That
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: changed everything. It dropped the elk population by down to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: like 40 percent of what it used to be. which
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: many people argue is actually a good thing because there
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: was no predators in terms of like, there's mountain lions,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: but mountain lions don't kill that many elk. They'll kill
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: one in like a week.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Like families go to Yellowstone.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: So now there's just wolves.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the wolves are not fucking with the people
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: at Yellowstone. They really are just concentrating on the animals,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and they've really knocked down the elk population substantially. But
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: now they have an open hunting season on wolves in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Montana because the numbers got a lot higher than they
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: should be. Right. So now I know guys who hunt wolves,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and they go on wolf. It's very difficult.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I was going to say it sounds more dangerous and
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: unpleasant than hunting elk.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Well, it is dangerous in that it is a predator,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and if you do get surrounded by them and they
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: decide to eat you and you're out of bullets, you
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: could be fucked. But for the most part, they're very
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: difficult to hunt. They're very difficult to find. They're also
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: very difficult to get in range. They're fucking clever. They're clever,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: and once they realize they're being hunted and once they
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: realize that people are a problem, they fucking steer way
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: clear of you.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: What's the ideological reason for wanting them back? Just that
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: they— It's good to be in a country with.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: It's nature.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I love nature. Yeah, but focus on the bees, you know?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Well... Red flowers. There's people that don't like hunting, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: for people that don't like hunting, they want nature to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: balance itself out. So the people that don't like the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: idea of humans killing and eating animals, they don't like
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: them going out into the wild and killing wild animals,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: so they want something else to kill those wild animals.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So then they bring in mountain lions, or then they
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: bring in wolves, and then they think that nature's going
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to sort itself out.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I don't understand not wanting us to do it. Why
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: is it okay for them to... This is the vegetarian
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: argument that I never understand, is that death occurs in nature.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Animals are eating other animals. So if it's wrong to
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: kill any animals, should we intervene?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Right, should we kill all the mountain lions to keep
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: them from killing all the deer?
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I thought the vegan fox was one of my favorite
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: bits that you ever did.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, vegan cat. No, was it not fox? Do you
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: not talk about a fox? No, it's about a vegan cat.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: And it's very sick.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: It literally is a true story. Yeah. Like this lady
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: was saying mean things to me on Twitter or Instagram.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And I saw one of the things on her page.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I went to her page. It said hashtag vegan cat.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: And I was like, no. And so then I clicked
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: on it. it, and it's all cats that look like
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: they've been stuck in a house with a gas leak.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Wait, maybe that got me started searching vegan animals, because
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: vegan fox, I definitely read a lot about after that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's people that have vegan dogs, they feed their dogs,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: but you're basically, you can kind of get away with
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: it a little bit with a dog, but cats are
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: what's called obligate predators.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: They're obligated to pray?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they only eat meat. That's all they eat. That's it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: They're just predators. They're full-on murderous machines, like house cats.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: are some of the most murderous creatures on earth. They
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: kill billions of animals. As soon as you die.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: As soon as you die. Because dogs will give you
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: an afternoon.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Weeks?
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I thought dogs gave you just a little head start.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: It depends on how starving they are. If they're starving
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: to death, their instincts kick in and they'll eat you.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: But cats just start eating you. They're like, oh, look, eyeballs.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: We're yet to get an animal.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: You have dogs.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: You have one dog, two dogs?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Two dogs.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: And you don't run the Instagram pages for these animals?
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Someone's running the dog Instagram page.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: No, my family does.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we got a little guy named Charlie.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: He is a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: He's the furthest animal away from wolf that is possible.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Because they all came from wolves. But he's the furthest
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: from a wolf. He has no... He's this big. He's adorable.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: You feel like wearing the big wig and the stockings
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: and holding him in your... I always wanted to be
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: King Charles.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I just give him kisses. He's a sweetie, though.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: That's not yours, bud.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: That's what they look like.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: That's what they look like. I mean, come on. Look
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: at that face. They're just so sweet. They're so happy
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: to be around you, and they're just so loving. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: he makes sounds like a person, like he was doing something,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: like he was licking all this water that was coming
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: off of a drain. And I go, hey, stop doing that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: And I pick it up, and he went, aww. He
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: makes noise.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: You're hotter than that dog. Oh, I love them. But
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: they don't make me feel sad. They're a little dog
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: who look interesting.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's him. That's Charlie. That's him? Yeah, that's Charlie.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Pugs make me very sad. I think about pugs a lot.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: And they upset me. And the long dogs, like the
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: sausage dogs with the back problems. Anything that looks like it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: It's ready to die.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I know what you mean. I know what you mean.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Like a golden.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Retriever is great.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I have one of those too.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: It's my favorite. Those two dogs are great. This is
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: not like a pug. They're very active. They're really, they're very.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: It's like a water dog.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It's a fucking dog that's just like a house dog.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: They're just like a little love machine. Just a little pet.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: He's a sweet, sweet little guy. Like, he's the best.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: He's so nice. And he just relentlessly tortures my dog, Marshall.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: The big dog?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the most tolerant dog on earth. He just
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: lays there and the puppy's like, ah, like biting him
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and biting his ear. He's a year old. Okay. So
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: we've had him for whatever, eight months, I guess. Like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: how many months did they give him to you? Three
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: months old? Something like that? How old are puppies when
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you get them?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: They should be, I think, eight weeks old, I think. Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So we probably had him for 10 months. He's fucking adorable.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: You cannot travel with a dog to Australia.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: No.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: You have to get him all kinds of shots. Johnny
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Depp tried. Yeah, he got in big trouble for that, right?
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I think that was the beginning of the end of
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: that marriage.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I think from the moment he said.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Let's get married. They were happy until that dog problem.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: But the guy who, there was a politician who stopped
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Johnny Depp. He came out and said, we're going to
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: destroy his dogs. And then everyone made fun of him
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: in America. But that guy is now doing, he's like
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: big in the emergent populist right in Australia over the
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: last six months.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And he wanted to kill Johnny Depp's dogs?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great speaker. He was like, I don't
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: care if you are People Magazine's sexiest man of the year.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Get your dogs out.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Why? What's the big deal?
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: We have no rabies. We're very precious about the border.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: That's all we've got. His name is Barnaby Joyce. He
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: is sick.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Demand that dogs leave the country within 48 to 50
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: hours or be put down, citing strict quarantine laws designed
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to protect diseases like rabies. But here's the thing. Just
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: test them. How much does it cost to test a
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: dog for rabies? It's probably pretty quick.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce Drunk. So this was short, not long after that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: An issue with the, yeah, Pistol and Boo. Yeah, go
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce Drunk. They caught him on the streets of
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: our lake, of Canberra, which is where the capital is.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: And he was just passed out in the street. He's like...
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: There he is, down the bottom.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: The bottom one?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: The bottom one.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: But he's just lying on the street. When was it?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: It wasn't that long ago.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: A few years ago. That man was in the government.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Good.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: What's wrong? It's a safe place to live. I was
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: walking back to my accommodations after Parliament rose at 10 p.m., Oh,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: that's all he was doing. Just walking back to his accommodations.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I do like him a lot.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Look, he's just taking a nap. He's just chilling.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: We have a strong tradition. It could be a long walk.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Give the guy a break.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: We're finally... We were the last country to have a
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: right-wing populist thing happen. You guys had the Trump, and
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: then England is having it happen with... In a big way,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: it's really starting to swing there.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: So it's swinging right now in Australia? It's for the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: first time.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: It's starting up, yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And what's causing that?
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Terrorist attack was not good.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: And then also running out of petrol really has upset people. Yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: We don't make our own gas. We had two refineries.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: One of them accidentally blew up a week ago.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Do you think it accidentally blew up?
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I have no comment to make on that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: What do you think, though?
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: No, I think probably someone. It seems like real bad luck.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Seems like it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, they would have been doing it at like
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: max capacity. Maybe they did it past when it was safe,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: but it's not. I thought I wasn't going to make
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: it out of the country.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Because they're out of gas?
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Flights started to get canceled. Yeah. So I made it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: We'll see if I can get back. And if not.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I hope you can't.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll just stay in Austin for another couple of months.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I hope you can't get back.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, honey.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: We've got a lot of spots for you. There's no choice.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to get on the boat.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Plenty of work here.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: It is so nice getting back. It is so nice
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: having a club that no, it's like there's four cities
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: in the world where you can do it. I think
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: about this a lot. There's nowhere like in America, there's
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: three and that'd be London. That's it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That's it. That you can what?
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: That there's like multiple rooms with lineup shows every night
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: of the week.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: So people can just go and run 10, 15 minutes.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: And like at a good room with people.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: And get paid.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: And get paid.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, you need all of those factors to be
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: able to do it.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And you also need other comics around you.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: This is one of the things that we were talking
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: about last night in the green room, like, you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: me and Ari, Ari Shaffir's in town. And we were
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: saying you can't be like the best comic in the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: world and just live in a small town in, you know, Cincinnati.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: It's like it doesn't exist. By yourself, it doesn't exist.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Comedy doesn't exist in the vacuum.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: They tried it in a little town in Arizona, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: the pressure seems to have driven that comedy club owner.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Right over the edge. Oh, yeah. Stanhope's boy. But that
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: guy was crazy already, right?
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't know a thing about it. I just saw
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: him give the speech.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Well, if he's hanging with Stanhope. You know, Stanhope tends
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to collect some people that are on the fringe.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not blaming Doug Stanhope.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: But that's a different scene, right? Like Stanhope, you know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: was just kind of being out there by himself. And
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: it didn't even have a comedy club for the longest
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: time while he lived there. It wasn't like there was
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a whole comedy scene there in Bisbee.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Was it like 20,000 people?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: It's very small.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: He knows everybody, right? But the Austin thing was very different. Like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: we were stuck here. There was not a lot of options.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: We could have gone to Houston. We could have gone
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to Dallas. Maybe Nashville. Maybe Florida. There was no place
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: else that we were allowed to do comedy.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Nashville would be the next one. Yeah. We're truly trying.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Nashville's got Zany's, which is awesome. It's a great club.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: They've got Theo there. They've got Nate there.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Nate and Theo both live there. But I don't know
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: how many sets they're doing in town. Nate is doing
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: fucking stadiums. He's doing these giant places all over the world.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: And Theo is killing it. And he's got one of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the best podcasts in the world.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: But there are definitely Nashville comics who are coming out.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Who I see around the place who are doing really well.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Sure. I'm sure there's a smaller scene. But in terms
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of a lot of work, Austin's the spot right now.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Because there's seven clubs on our street.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: That's nuts. Within a block radius, you've got Creek in
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the Cave, which is over on 7th. You've got Sunset,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: which is right next to us. You've got Black Rabbit.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: I was going to say Black Rabbit.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: You've got the Velveeta Room.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to count Shakespeare's next door.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I'll allow that.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: They do comedy.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: And I do love the Velveeta Room.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: That place has been around forever.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: It's been around forever. And there's the Gay Cabaret next door.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's expressly gay.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I just call it a gay camera. You like going
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: in there?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I went there one evening. I was having a full
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: mental breakdown. I don't know why. Just a classic, you know.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Out of nowhere?
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: You know, the kids, it's a lot of pressure. Maybe
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the act wasn't working. Maybe I'd been on the road.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And I was down and I was depressed. And I
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: wandered into them doing the Estes Follies show. I just
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: sat up the back and I had a pina colada.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: And they were all like, there was a magician. Just
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: a very camp magician. And then they're singing like, Campy
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: show tunes about the Supreme Court or something. Like they're
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: still doing SNL style sketches. And it was like, you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: it was dumb and it was hokey, but it made
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: me so happy.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's nice.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Just to like have, I don't know.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: People having a good time.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Razzle dazzle, smiling. There was no bitterness.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Happiness.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it made me want to fix my act
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: so that I wasn't, you know, like sometimes I feel
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I get up there and I'm just like screaming and
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I look unpleasant. And these people are like, you owe
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: people a show.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: You know? I don't think you look unpleasant. You're just
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: very self-conscious. No, I don't.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Sometimes. did the Creek in the Cave last night, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I did a lot of screaming into the.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Abyss.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Another great club. Fucking great.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Great spot. Creek in the Cave is a great club.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It's a fun place. When it's packed, it's rockin'. And,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of good comedy coming out
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: of that. I mean, that's where Shane filmed his special.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: New York is on the up again. New York is finally.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Everybody that I talk to, all my friends from New York,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I'll say that there's a lot of clubs opening. There's
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: a lot going on. It's hopping. Didn't they just open up,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: was it an improv in Brooklyn? Did they open up
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: an improv in Brooklyn?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I know this top secret comedy has just, like a
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: London club has just moved there. Interesting. I don't know
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: how it's going, but they're doing like a free model.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: They're trying to do, they were trying to do a
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: UCB in Austin. I don't know if that's still happening.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: The problem with UCB is UCB in LA didn't pay
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Is this improv?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: No.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Upright Citizens Brigade?
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: They have some improv, but they.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Do stand-up shows. I thought that was like Second City.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't know.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: They do stand-up shows. Okay. Yeah, but they don't pay you.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: They don't pay?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: No, which is crazy.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: There was a history of that at the store. Sure.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: That was the, there was like this big What does
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: it say? Improv Brooklyn. There you go.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: That's a strong zoom.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Joey said he was going there. It's
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: a completely new place. All right.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is politically correct.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: But this is what I'm saying. It's like it's popping.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Comedy's coming back.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Some improvs are black and some are not.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: What?
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Like some improvs around the country are like just black clubs.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Look at this lineup, dude. Look at the lineup.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about? I'm not saying here, but
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: like in Cleveland, the improv is just a black club.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I've done the Improv in Cleveland, I think.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: It's a black club.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: No negativity.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I like.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I like playing black clubs.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: So it's Cleveland. That's one that's close to Kentucky, right?
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Am I getting this right? Maybe it's Pittsburgh.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: No, Pittsburgh's not. I've been in that place.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: No, I've done that one as well. Improv in Pittsburgh
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: is great, too. I've done that one up there as well.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Hilarities or something?
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Well, Hilarities was the non-racially.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Go back to that website real quick. Look at all
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the different ones.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: There's not one in Cleveland, though.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: There's a ton of them.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Is one of those fake, maybe it shut down.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So the other, there's a club in Cleveland. There is
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: a club in Cleveland that I went to way back
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: in the day. But it's really, you land in Kentucky
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: and then you drive to Cleveland.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: What?
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: No, Cincinnati. Oh, is it Cincinnati?
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes more sense.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's it. You're right.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: You need to drive up. Ohio is more built up
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: than people give credit before. Three huge cities. They got
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: that chili that everybody loves.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Columbus, great. Columbus is great.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati has the most beautiful skyline.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: You ever do the Funny Bone? Columbus?
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Fucking great club.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: With the balcony? It was very nice.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Does it have a balcony?
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. Columbus Funny Bone has a balcony?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: They've definitely changed it since you've been there last.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Is it a new one?
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: No.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, they just added a balcony?
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: They just renovated the whole room.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I love having the balconies. They must have had to
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: add seats. It was killing it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Everywhere that has a balcony is my favorite.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Once you have a place that's a club that gets
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: good action every weekend, Cleveland Improv. Okay, hold on.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up. What's that? They love to go
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: and see Eddie Griffin at the Cleveland Improv? Come on.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe it closed.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: This is 2020? Oh, it's six years ago.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like when I typed in Cleveland Improv.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: So who's that? Luanel's there and Tony Baker was there.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I will not be besmirched for making a very genuine
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: observation about how black the Cleveland improv was.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Because I tried to get on. I was trying to
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: do black rooms when I got to open for Finesse Mitchell.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: That was the first black room I got to play.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I've slowed down. There's not heaps of black rooms in Austin.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I should go over to Houston sometimes.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where are the black rooms in Austin?
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I think the Mothership.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Probably, right?
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I think some of the lineups at the ship, yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I still think Chocolate Sundays could work at the mothership.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I can't run it. That would be fun.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like you should just have shows. I think
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: themes are retarded. They try to do an Italian theme
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: at the comedy store for a while. Like Night of
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: a Thousand Guidos, I think they called it. And I
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: did it, and I was like, what am I doing?
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I'm on this show with all these other Italians just
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: because they're Italian.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: There is something different about a black audience.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: That's a different skill set, I found.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It's a different skill set, and they won't tolerate nonsense.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: They won't tolerate all this, like, what else?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: What else?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. They're not here for that,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: which I think is good.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: You can't even make fun of gay. You can't mention
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: gay stuff at all.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. I had a trans bit. Just people were
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: not happy to hear. Why are you talking about that?
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Why are you bringing that up? We're out here to
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: have a nice night. It was like on a dime
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: it turned.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then people told me afterwards, they don't want
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: to hear that word from you. Really?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: It was fun. I felt very alive when it was
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: going well. And also black people giving you compliments. Just
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: an Aussie boy coming off stage and having a black
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: guy go, you've got to go to stage presence. I
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, fuck. Thank you so much.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, black people, that was very eye-opening when I came
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to America.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: You don't have a lot of that in Australia.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: We have Africans and we have Aboriginal people, but we
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: have no... If you wear a cool coat in Australia,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: no one will tell you about it. There will be
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: no one to say.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a very big difference between African-Americans and black
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: people worldwide. African-Americans are responsible for so much of the culture, music, comedy...
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: There's like so much of an impact that African-Americans have
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: had on the world. Think about just hip hop music.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Right? So hip hop music doesn't even exist until I
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: was in middle school.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Like late 70s?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was in middle school. I went to
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: high school in 81. And when was Sugar Hill Gang's
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: hip hop? What was that song called? Rapper's Delight.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: So that song came out. When I was, I think
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I was 13. I think I was 13. I think
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I was in middle.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: 1979 is when it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: They formed.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. So when I was in, when we
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: first moved to Boston, my family didn't have much money.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: We lived in a place called Jamaica Plain. And it's
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: since been kind of gentrified. But back then it was not.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: It was the first time I'd ever been around scary kids. Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Like violent, delinquent kids who had all had sex. I
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: hadn't had sex. All these kids, they're like, you don't
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: even know where a pussy is, do you? I'm like,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: it's down there. They're like, you probably think you go
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: right into it, right? You got to go up. I'm like, okay.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I don't fucking know. I never even kissed a girl.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck are you guys talking about?
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: But they were like lighting fires, doing crazy shit. Like
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: they were delinquents, stealing things, breaking and entering. Yeah. And
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: so I went to this high school or middle school rather.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And this middle school was in a poor neighborhood. And
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I remember there was a kid that was in my class.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I was 13. He was 17 years old. And he
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: kept failing. He kept failing and coming back. He would
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: come back for like a couple weeks or two and
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: then he would quit. And I remember seeing him at
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the school year and going, I can't
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: believe he's 17 and he's in class with me. This
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: is nuts. And then I was filled with like this
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: sense of dread for him, for his future. Like this
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: fucking guy's never going to graduate middle school. So he's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: never gonna go to high school, he's fucking 17. Will
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: they even allow you to go to high school if
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: you're 21? What year do they say, you can't come
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: here anymore, you failed nine years in a row? It
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: was that kind of kids. It was that kind of kids.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: And there was kids making out in class. I remember
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: this Puerto Rican girl, she asked a question to the teacher.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: She said, if I'm making out with a guy and
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: he's breathing into my mouth and I'm breathing into his,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Can we stay alive like that?
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Can you?
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. It's carbon dioxide. I never forgot that question.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Can we stay alive like that?
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: It was the craziest question. She was like, can we
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: breathe each other's air and not open our mouths? And
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, what are you doing, you fucking dirty freak?
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: So a lot of girls dropped out while I was
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: there because they got pregnant. Sure. It was dangerous.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Where were you before then, though?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Florida.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: You were in a more middle-class place before then.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in Florida. I was in Gainesville, Florida,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: which was way safer. It was pretty cool.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: You may have moved around more than anyone I know.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I moved around a lot. So I lived in New
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Jersey until I was seven, and then lived in San
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Francisco from seven to 11, and then lived in Florida
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: from 11 to 13, and then Boston from 13 to 24.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Do you.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, because you're now... Your kids growing up in,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: they were in LA and then they're here. Do you think,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I worry about my kids because I don't think they've
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: ever been in the same house for more than one year.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Like I have a seven-year-old daughter. She's been in seven
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: houses now. It's because we've had to move a lot.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: And I wonder what impact that is making.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Well, as long as they're young, I honestly think it
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: has a positive effect. Okay. This is my take on
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: what it did for me. I was forced to form
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: my own opinions. Instead of adopting the opinions of a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: group of people that were around me because I never
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: had a consistent group of people that were around me.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I met a bunch of new people everywhere I went
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and I had new friends everywhere I went and completely
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: new environments everywhere I went. So I went from San
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Francisco in the 1970s right into Florida and Florida was
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: so backwards. in terms of their mentality in comparison to
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: San Francisco San Francisco we lived in Hippieville it was
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: all like anti-war people and it's San Francisco in the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: 1970s and so then I moved to Florida and it
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: was like I had this friend his name was Candy
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: his last name was Candido everybody called him Candy And
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: his dad was like this really angry Cuban guy. And
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I remember him slamming a newspaper on the table. And
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: he was like, these fags want to marry. This is crazy.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Like they're going to let faggots marry each other. And
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: I remember thinking like, what do you care? Because I
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: lived in San Francisco. We're surrounded by gay people. Our
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: neighbors were gay. My aunt used to smoke pot with
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: them and they'd all get naked and play bongo drums.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Because she felt comfortable being naked around these guys who.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Had no interest in her. They should rein it in now.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I would say. I've now seen San Francisco.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: A little bit. But that's not– it's not the gays
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: that caused San Francisco to go down the way it is.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: It's this crazy progressive politics where they allow people to
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: camp on the streets.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I just– I went to a diner and I saw
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: a man. He was wearing assless chaps and sitting on
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: the– that upset me.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Apparently– If you're gay, it would be a good spot.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: The public nudity is– you have to cover the urethra.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: But if you cover the urethra, everything else is fine.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, so you just put a piece of tape over
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the hole of your dick?
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: You put a little googly eye over the jap eye.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe you can't call it that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: You can. You just did.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: No, but that would help you become more... Because you
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: have a weirdly independent mentality.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: That's why. Yeah. So I think going to a bunch
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: of different places and seeing that, oh, people think completely
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: differently over here than they think over here. This is weird.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I remember when I lived in... Florida, I had to
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: ask my mother what the N-word meant because I heard
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: it at school. And she got upset with me. She goes,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: you know what it means. I go, I don't. I
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: don't know what it means. And she's like, it's a
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: bad word for black people. I was like, whoa, really?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Like it made no sense to me. Because the formative
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: years I think were really important. And I think 7
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: to 11 in San Francisco was really important for me.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Because in a way, at least for me, it was
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: very much a utopian dream. city. It was like very open-minded.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: It was very peaceful. There was very little crime, like
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: real crime. It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous. We I'd
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: go fishing. I had this guy, there was like this
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: community center and this guy named Cliff would take us fishing.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: It was really cool. Like there was a lot of
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: like good things about San Francisco back then. And it
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: was a lot of artists and it was a lot
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: of like, it was a cool vibe. You know, it
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: was a very open-minded vibe that was, a lot of
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: it was centered around the anti-war movement and peace. You know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: there was a lot, it was like, it was a
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: different kind of, and they were sort of just like,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: just getting over the psychedelic wave of the 1960s, right?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: So this is like, they're still in that mode.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: But it was still like an artist-driven.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of open pot smoking. It was a
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: lot of like, Just hippies. But in the best way.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: It wasn't camping on the streets. There was no fentanyl
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: back then. There was no homelessness. Homelessness was super, super rare.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: In the 1970s, when I was a kid, I never
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: saw people camped out in the street. You never saw
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: any of that. You occasionally saw a bum. And it
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: was usually some poor.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Fuck who's... It's like a drunk guy, right?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Lost his way. Crazy person.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: If you look at Dirty Harry or On the Waterfront,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: whenever there is a depiction of, whenever they're doing vagrants
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: in the 50s and 60s, it's like a drunk guy
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: stumbling around. Like in Rambo, he just wants a sandwich
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: and they chase him out of town.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Exactly. But now there's like- They're everywhere. It's like Kung
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Fu skeletons moving around the place. What is the end
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: point of that? It is- No one's running on that.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I remember Trump talked about a little bit the need
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: to have asylums again because they closed the asylums.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are more therapists now than there ever
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: were before, but they're helping like corporate people. They're not
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: helping schizophrenics without a home. Like at some point, you
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: saw Trump bring the army in to places like Portland
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: or the National Guard to clear it out. And I
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: think people were quietly kind of pleased that that was happening.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: There was people pushed back.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Is that why they cleared it out? There was a
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: homeless situation?
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: I think it was the homelessness.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I thought it was protests.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: No, I think that was, I think that, and Washington
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: as well. I think they came into.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Well, Washington was crime.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: They were homeless people.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: It was crime as well.
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Like Washington was like crazy with crime.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: And they were all kind of happy about it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Well, the mayor of DC was happy. Yeah. That Trump
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: brought in the National Guard.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: But this is, it's not a nice, you can't lose
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: the downtowns across America.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know how bad LA's gotten, right? Yeah.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Do you know how big Skid Row is? Take a guess.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: How many people?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: How many blocks?
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Take a guess.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Two.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: 50. Well, that's too many blocks.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: 5-0. That's not a row anymore.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Imagine 5-0 just completely claimed by homeless zombies.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: No, how big are the blocks? I'm thinking about LA downtown.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Big as fuck.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: I stayed away from there.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: It's huge.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: I went to the Hollywood Hills in Malibu and had
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: a nice time.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Downtown is nuts. Downtown LA is the only downtown of
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: any major city that sucks.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: No.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Downtown New York is great.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Downtown New York is incredible.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Right. Downtown San Francisco is fucked with homeless people, but
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: it's still, you got great restaurants. Downtown LA is a
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: ghost town.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I said, Portland is so beautiful in the downtown, but
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: then you will turn down the street and it's terrifying.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: 50 to 54. Oh, it's growing. Skid Row in Los Angeles,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: officially known as Central City East, covers approximately 50 to
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: 54 blocks. 15,000.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: They don't know how many people are there. There's just
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: wild guesses in terms of what the populations of homeless
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: people are. Even in terms of the population in the
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: entire city, the high number is over 100,000 in the city.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Look how big it is. All that whole
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: area is completely lost.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I thought it was a road. I thought it was
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: like one street.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it was. It was back in like the 1960s.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's, there's like a map or something they've
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: drawn on a picture there. I think it's been that
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: way since. for a long time.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Look at this proposed area. Affordable housing. Affordable housing is
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: just a joke. It's not what the problem is. They're
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: all drug addicts. They're drug addicts and mentally ill.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but what do you do to.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you can't let it get that bad, first of all.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: And if you do let it get that bad, you've
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: got to treat it like it's a catastrophic failure and
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: throw as much resources as possible at it. But the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: problem is these people are incentivized to keep the problem
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: going because that's how they make their living.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: They don't have any motivation whatsoever to fix it. Because
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: if the homeless population drops down to a very small number,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: and then they don't need all these people that are
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: making half a million dollars a year on the homeless commission.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: It's complete grifting.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: It's not my country. I don't have any big problem
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: with Gavin Newsom. I don't understand how LA has every
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: story that comes out of California seems to be.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, so here it says between 1960 and 1975, 50%
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: of the housing in Skid Row was demolished, reducing the
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: total number of units from 15,000 to 7,500 and displacing
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: thousands of poor residents with nowhere else to go but
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the street. While Skid Row was never a wealthy neighborhood,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: its current status as the homeless capital of America is
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the result of decades of policy choices. which has simultaneously
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: encouraged the destruction of existing affordability. See, this is, by
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: the way, this is a very progressive perspective. The real
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: perspective is that what they used Skid Row for was
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: when they would find vagrants in Beverly Hills and vagrants
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood, they would move them to Skid Row and
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: then they would kind of contain them in that area. Yeah.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Dump it. So like a concentration camp for the homeless.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Homeless medical patients. See, this is a very progressive perspective.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Homeless medical patients. How about vagrants who are drug addicts?
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: You can call them medical patients. Like you're just being kind.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: This is just too charitable from across the region. So
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: they would dump them there. And then they also had
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: like food kitchens there and stuff like that. So they
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: had an incentive to stay, but they kept them there.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: And so then it kept growing because the homeless problem
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: keeps growing and growing and growing.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: It's psychosis and drugs. That's the ultimate.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Yes. Drugs are the big one. And drugs are the
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: drug use in Skid Row is probably 100%. It's not
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: like regular homeless people.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: I was in Portland and I was walking to the
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: train station through the downtown. No one told me not
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: to do it. And all these very sad homeless people.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: And then one guy with a big smile. He was
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: so happy.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Probably got his fentanyl.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Well, no, it's the first time I saw crack being smoked.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: It has a great smell.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Does it?
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: What way?
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: It smelled like sweet, like a rotten apple. That's how
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: it felt at the time. I don't know if that
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: was the crack or if, I mean, he was smoking
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: crack and I could smell that, but he was so
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: happy and I didn't want to take his crack away.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like, he's the only thing you've really
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: got going for you today.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think crack is not good for you, but
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: probably better for you than fentanyl. I think with crack,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: you're active. Crack makes you go do a bunch of stuff.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: This is weird seeing heroin people for the first time
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: because they're not like a threat. Australia is still a
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: very meth country.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, meth is a problem.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of skinny shirtless men on the bus.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Angry.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Weird head twitching back and forth.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: So it's still very meth-y. But meth doesn't seem to
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: be as big here now.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's big. It's big in certain communities. Meth is
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: still big. It's like, you know, what you've got in...
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, the homeless situation in Skid Row wasn't always
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: fentanyl and heroin. I mean, at one point in time,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: it was meth. You know, it's a gang of different things.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's people there that are doing ketamine.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Do you just start killing... Drug deal? Do you do
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: it like in Singapore? You just have a zero tolerance policy?
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: No.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know long term what the answer is.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, you could do it that way, but
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: it would be very inhumane. And it would also set
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: a precedent for how you treat a bunch of other situations.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: And that's not good. It's dangerous.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: The communists, when they had an opium problem in China,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: they just put them in the military. That, like, give
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: people a new sense of purpose. You've got a uniform now.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: We're going to blame someone else for the problem. Western
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: imperialism did this to you.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: And that seemed to help. Like, they don't have a
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: big opium problem in China anymore. Also, I don't know
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: how official that is and how many people they did
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: just kill, because it's the communist government.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: They're allowed to.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: They lie.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: They might lie.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: They definitely lie.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Although, last time I was... A couple months ago, I
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: was here, and Kurt Metzger was telling me the Tiananmen
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Square was... Not all that bad.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I'd listen.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't do enough digging. From everything he says, from
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: a short Google search, I can agree with it. But
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sure if I dug down, I'd have more questions.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen him, actually, since I got back. Is
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: he still here?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he's out of fucking mind. He's great.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Most people are still here.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: He's the best.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: He's been odd.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: But you can't talk conspiracies with him, because he'll chain them.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: One after another after another, and then three minutes in,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: you forgot what you were even talking about.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: He's moved on to some scandal in the 1970s with
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: call boys and Congress.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, you spoke to him about Reagan?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What is it called? The Franklin?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: There's tapes.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Hassan was talking to me about it.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: The Franklin scandal.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: The Franklin scandal. Hassan was bringing that up last night.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: He's reading a book on it.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: I want to think that Reagan was a good guy.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's Reagan. I think it's whoever's in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: his cabinet.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Well, he's dead. He was saying things about Reagan getting pegged.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: What? Who was saying that?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: Kurt was talking about that there was a tape somewhere
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: of Reagan getting tagged. I was like, I don't want
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: to know.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: These guys don't even think the Artemis flight went past
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: the moon. They didn't? Kurt thinks there's a secret space
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: program and that this space program is bullshit. There's a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: real space program and they're using this space program to obfuscate.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: It just seems very complicated for people who can't do-
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I might be saying it incorrectly.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: He knows a lot of things.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: About a lot of things. He does.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: And then when I dig in, often it seems true.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: A lot of it is true.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: But also, I think the government is incompetent everywhere. And
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: if they were able to get that one thing of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: building a fake space program to conceal a true space program,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: it seems unlikely. Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Well, do you know how much money you'd have to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: have to run two space programs? One real one and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: one fake one? That's crazy. Just a real one. It
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: costs so much. Well, the Nazi one was real.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: That's coming. Everyone seems.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Some people are still not aware of it. I've had
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: conversations with people where they don't want to admit it,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: where they can't believe it. Do you know NASA was
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: run by Nazis? They're like, what? You tell them about
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Wernher von Braun. And they want to, like, there's a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: lot of people that are like NASA fanboys. And these
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: NASA fanboys don't want to believe that NASA was run
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: by literal Nazis.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, not necessarily like, they were scientific Nazis.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: They were Nazis. Yeah. Werner Von Braun used to hang
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: the slowest, the five slowest Jews at his rocket factory
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: in Berlin. The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if he
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, do you think that story got out when
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: he was at NASA and everyone worked.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: A lot harder?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: They did well.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: There was no Freedom of Information Act releases. There was
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: no internet. When Operation Paperclip was first initiated, they got,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the number is of Nazi scientists,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: but it was more than a thousand.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: How many Nazi scientists, put this into our wonderful ad sponsor, Propoxity,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: our AI sponsor that gives me all my information. How
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: many Nazi scientists were brought over by the United States
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: for Operation Paperclip?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know that there's an official number. This is
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: what led me down my research like 10 years ago
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: was this exact question.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Right, but let's see what perplexity has to say. I'm guessing.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to guess about 1,500.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Also, as I'm looking this up, I will note that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: supposedly they were split up like evenly between the Soviets.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: And the United States. That's true. Yeah, the Soviets took
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: a bunch of them as well.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: I didn't know they divvied it up.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I read a book about it a long time ago.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: I just started getting into the Soviet space program.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: It's great. Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Is it the Venus missions? Am I getting that right?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: They got a thing on Venus and took pictures and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: sent them back.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: But it was so hot that everything would like- 1600. 1600.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Typically state that about 1600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: were brought to the United States under Operation Paperclip. So
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: that was pretty close.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: To reel back, though, I was trying to dig through
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: this article as you guys are talking.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: About Nixon getting pegged? I don't know. Reagan?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: The plot to out Reagan?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: A group of Republicans tried to stymie what they alleged
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: was a nefarious homosexual network within the campaign of their
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: own party's standard bearer.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: This is what I mean. He says something that sounds crazy,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: and then you do a search.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find it to see what the answer is,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: but during it, it says, like, while he was trying
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: to pick a vice president, there's somewhere in here.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Wait, how to fuck him? He could be my vice president.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: It says someone had a tape of an orgy.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Well, didn't Reagan... Reagan frequented Bohemian Grove. Isn't that correct?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I believe he did. Everybody.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people did.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Right. But Reagan did. But you remember what Nixon said
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: about Bohemian Grove?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: The faggiest place I've ever seen.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: That goddamn faggiest thing I've ever seen.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: You've heard Alex Jones talking about it?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Yes. Well, Alex Jones went.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Alex Jones told me about it right after he went.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: I grabbed him on the ass.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: This guy says he engaged in a homosexual act with Reagan.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, it was not until a boozy lunch with a
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: man claiming to have been a longtime Reagan associate. However,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: the best found what he believed to be the smoking
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: gun proving that Reagan was controlled by homosexuals. Bill, you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: don't understand the problem, the man told Best. I once
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: engaged in a homosexual act with Reagan.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: That was a different time.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't. These are, up until now in this article,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: these are rumors.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know that this video ever came out, but there's.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: A very long article about it.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: On Politica.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I was trying to find an answer, and I didn't
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: really get to this. This is a different time period
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: in life, too, that I wasn't even alive for.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Right. Wow.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: I don't believe it.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: I love Reagan.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I do too. I love them too. But I think
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of those guys that are like staunchly
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: conservative and very buttoned down that are that way for
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: a reason. And one of the reasons is they're trying
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: to hide the fact that they're gay.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: I never understand this though. Cause we've, there are lots
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: where I'm from.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Gay?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: In South, like conservative party, definitely gay guys, but thin,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: but like so, like everybody knows, everybody's aware, but they
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: don't want it coming out and they never acknowledge it.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: But like, it just seems so strange. You would want
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: to not have a secret if you're a politician because
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: otherwise people just get you to do what they want.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have secrets and then they want to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: be politicians and then they just deal with all the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: people that know their secrets and then they make deals.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: That's how you stay in business.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: I would even say there are people in the United
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: States Congress and Senate who are conservative. So we all go, yeah,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: that guy's gay.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: So I asked for the accuracy of this article and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: perplexity gave me a, Summary, I guess that makes more
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: sense than trying to make sense of a 20-page article
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: in two minutes.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Mmm, okay comes from factual grounding and sources one key
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: factual bad scroll up a little bit on the note
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: On the key factual backbone the article lines up with
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: other publicly documented material Kerchik refers repeatedly to memos of
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: and notes from the Washington Post editor Ben Bradley's papers,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: including summaries by reporters Scott Armstrong and Ted Gupp. These
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: papers are held in institutional archives and have been referenced
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: in other discussions of Secret City. The 1967 homosexual ring
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: allegations connected to Reagan's Sacramento staff and Jack Kemp's is
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: independently attested in contemporary press accounts, including reporting that Reagan's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: security chief investigated alleged homosexual activity And that columnist, Drew Pearson,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: raised these charges at the time. So here's the thing
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: about gays.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: There's a gay ring.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: There's always a certain amount of gay people in a population.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: And then it's whether or not the culture accepts them. Yes.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: There's always a certain percentage.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, people who are attracted to... Yeah, no matter.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: What you do, there's a certain percentage. And so if
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: you've got enough people in Congress and enough people in
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: the Senate and enough... enough people just in government in general,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: you're going to have an equivalent percentage of people that
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: are gay. And if you are a person who wants
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: to get to the top of the charts, like here's
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: the thing that you don't think of. What is, you
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: think Hollywood is very open, right? Very non-homophobic. In fact,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: celebrates diversity and celebrates LBGTQ people, right? Yeah. But not.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: So here's the thing. One thing you can't be is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: an openly gay person and being a male lead in films.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would make sense as to why people
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: keep that quote. I'm trying to think of one.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: You can't. You're an actor. No, you're right.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: That still hasn't changed.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: You can pretend to be a werewolf.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: But you can't pretend to be straight.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: You can't pretend to be straight.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't allow you. So if you're gay, you
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: have to pretend.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: You have to pretend you're not gay. Because you can't
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: act in a movie where we know you're gay and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: you pretend to be straight. We won't buy it.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: But whenever there is a movie where there is a
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: gay person, they get it obviously straight. Like in Milk.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: They don't get a gay guy to play that role.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: They get a straight guy to be gay.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: One example.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's when that show- He was never a
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: TV- He was never a movie-leading man.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: It's just one example, though.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: I know, but he's a TV guy.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: But then people make allegations about- Also.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: It's like he's got a- It's a cartoon character.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Like that, How I Met Your Mother, that's a cartoon character.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Straight guy. You don't believe it at all. First of all,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: he's not attractive in that way. He's not masculine. And
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: the fact that he gets all these hot girls to
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: have sex with him, none of it makes any sense.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: Did you see Gone Girl?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: It's just writing. Yeah, I did.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Where he's playing the.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was great. He was excellent. Yeah, he was great.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: I watched that movie like eight times. That movie was
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: fucking awesome. That helped me work through a lot of
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: trauma with women.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Woo! Bro, that movie was crazy. But the point is,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: you can't be an openly gay guy and be a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: movie star.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Because you won't be able to kiss women on stage.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of one.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: On screen, rather. There's not one. There's, I know, a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: bunch of closeted ones.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: But there's no openly gay action movie star.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Well, there were... There's none, dude. No, actually, there would
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: be none.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: There's none. There's stars who have played.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: There's like five or six that I would say.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Played gay people.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: A lot of guys play gay people.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: You know, like... What's his face? James Bond. English guy.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Knives Out. He plays a gay guy.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking of Milk.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he plays a gay guy in Knives Out, but
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: he's not making out with anybody. He just lives with
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: a guy.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: I never watched Knives Out because I was so angry
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: at the second Star Wars movie.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I loved it.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: It's the same director. And I loved Looper. I thought
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Looper was fantastic.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: You gotta let a guy have a dud or two
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: every now and then.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: I fucking hated that movie. I was one of those guys.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Which one was that? What was it called? Oh, man.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: It was not Force Awakens. It was the one that
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: came after that.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: What year is.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: This?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: 2017.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: I'm all over the place with the dates.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Don't you think, though, that I didn't watch any of
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: the new ones, but don't you think, though, that when
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: you were dealing, if you're dealing with a Star Wars,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: those franchise movies, you're dealing with, and there's no way
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: they just give you carte blanche. There's no way they
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: just let you write a script, let you produce it,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: let you put it together. Let you direct it the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: way you want. They have insane amounts of input.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: No, this one was so stylistically strange.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: And such a departure. He was making it. Rise of
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: Skywalker is, yeah, maybe it's that one. Yeah. Is that it?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Is that the second one?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Does anybody really give a shit about these new Star
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Wars movies?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: Not anymore. But it was, you know, it was exciting.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: When George Lucas was doing it, at least he was like,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: we're going to have a Jew alien. And Korean aliens.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: And it's about trade wars. And he was like.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: They did that?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Episode one?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Episode one is a nightmare if you go back and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: watch episode one.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Which one's episode one?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Episode one is like Little Anakin and the pod racing.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Jar Jar Binks?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: Jar Jar Binks is like a hugely troubled. He's just
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: speaking in a patois the whole time. But, I mean,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: it all has to end. I think it's finally winding down.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: Like the Marvel Cinematic Universe seems to be. Coming to
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: a close.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: No. No, no. Marvel's not. But Star Wars, they woke
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: it up. They fucked it up. Yeah. They made it
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: all like this stupid woke message.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: But that was the woke one. That was the one
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: where it was like there were ladies who couldn't do
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: anything wrong and all the men were.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: And the ladies generals and the men are all terrified
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: of them. Yeah. So save it. This is nonsense. But
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: these woke messages just destroy the actual film. We were
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: talking about this the other day. That a feminist show
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: that no one thinks of as a feminist show is
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Game of Thrones.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Because she turns into a.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: No, it's a completely feminist show. The women are all badasses.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Every woman. Arya Stark, badass. Daenerys Targaryen, badass. Cersei Lannister, badass.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Brienne of Tarth badass almost kills the hound they're all
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: women women run everything they're beasts Sansa Stark badass.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: And a lot of the men they don't see things
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: coming they don't know.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: How idiots get their heads chopped off they're retarded the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: women keep the fucking civilization together and they're the most
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: dominant forces in the show.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Yes sometimes they're lying like that nasty prostitute who hurt
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: that midget.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Man Yeah, but she was unfortunate in her choices.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: You think the Marvel thing is going to... I think
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: at some point.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: They're going to ramp it back up. They have a
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: new one.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: They brought back the Russo brothers and.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: They're bringing in Doom. Dr. Doom's coming. Isn't that... Isn't
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: fucking Robert Downey Jr. playing Doom as well? How does
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: he do that?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Wait until you see the movie, man.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no. How is he fucking
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Iron Man and Doom?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Well, they both have iron.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: No, get a new guy.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: You don't like him?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: I know Robert Downey Jr. is great. You don't have
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: to kill Iron Man. Bring Iron Man back. Don't you
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: have a multiverse? Can't you pull him back and put
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: him into this current timeline?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I just don't like when you have a whole universe
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: and you have one guy playing two characters in the universe.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: As much as I love.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: it bothers the shit out of me as a comic
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: book fan.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: They've already had that, though. Chris Evans is in Fantastic
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Four and he's Captain America.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: What was he in Fantastic Four?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: The first Fantastic Four.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: No, there have been like four or five Fantastic Fours.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: 2004, 2003.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: There have been so many Fantastic Fours.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: You're right. I never even remembered that.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: They can never get that one working.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Who does he play in Fantastic Four?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: That's sort of the joke in the Spider-Man movie, the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: multiverse one, because they bring them all back in the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: same fucking movie, and it's all confusing. They bring all
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: the bad guys back. Jamie Foxx is in the new Spider-Man,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: and that was an old movie.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: Do you think they'll be post-woke at this point? I
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: got to watch movies for the first time on the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: plane over. They'd have to lose.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: All their fucking money.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: That's starting to happen.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: And then start to come back.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: Did you see Begonia?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: That was good. Stavi was in that and Emma was
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: the guy who made The Lobster. But that was... There
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: were problems with it, but it was like a pointedly
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: like a post... In the same vein of like White Lotus.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, Hollywood is trying to make self-consciously post-woke movies.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: I got really annoyed by it and I thought some
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: of it was cheap, but like... I liked what they
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: were going for.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: I thought the ending was... Fun.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Spoiler alert.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: No, it won't spoil nothing. I won't spoil nothing. But
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: I would never have seen it if I wasn't on
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: a flight watching 57 movies. American Fiction was like a
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: post-woke movie. They're like, at the moment, on Delta flights.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: What is American Fiction? American Fiction is a book about a...
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: It's a black author who doesn't want to be considered
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: a black author. He just wants to be an author.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: He's sick of... And then he keeps seeing all these
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: terrible black books full of stereotypes that white liberals adore.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: So he writes a fake book called My Pathology. And
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: I think he later changes it to Fuck. He's just
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: trying to like fuck with people, go, I'll just write
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: the blackest, dumbest book. And then white liberals do love it.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: And it was good. But it's like pointedly like mainstream
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: and indie, you know, big studios are trying to make.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: They're trying to find some continuity from being woke to now.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: That's box office poison. This is a mainstream film?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: That one looks like it's independent. It won an independent
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: spirit award.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: But Begonia wasn't.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: But this other movie, what was it called again? The
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: one you were just talking about?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Begonia.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: No, the other one.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, which one?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: American Fiction. So American Fiction's independent.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't know if it was independent. I looked it up.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: It made like... Tens of millions of dollars.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but sometimes independent films that catch on make good money.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: They're going to deal with Amazon to make a limited
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: theatrical release.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: So they partnered with Amazon.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: I would count that as a big studio.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: No. No, if you started it by yourself. You started
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: it by yourself and then you distribute it to Amazon.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: But who paid for it? Who was the.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Somebody probably financed it.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: The director was.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: Was he the onion guy?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: $ 10 million budget.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: So the thing is if you want to do something right,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: you kind of have to do it that way now.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Like make it yourself and then bring it as a
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: fully completed project. That way you don't have a bunch
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: of people like the Star Wars guy like in your
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: ear telling you what to do and how to direct it.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: I recorded a comedy special years ago for Australia.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: And I thought I would just do it on my
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: own and then I would sell it to the network.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: How'd that go?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: They said we like it. This is one of the
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: most embarrassing phone calls I ever had. They said that
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: we like it. It's very white. It's very male. Like, yeah,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: it's me. It's just me. And he, they said, can
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: you go out in five, like find five or six
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: diverse comedians and record their specials as well. And then
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: we could buy all six of them as I was like,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: fuck it. I'll put it on YouTube. I could like,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: but that was the real request was, would you find,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: find a, find an Aboriginal fella, find a lady in
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: a wheelchair, find some Chinese people, and then you can
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: have your one as well. And we'll buy all six.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: It was, uh, Yeah, that was probably the end of
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: me thinking I could work with.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: You can't work with people that aren't creatives and that's
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: what those people are. They're a bunch of people that
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: are caught up in whatever the cultural moment is, whatever
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: they think like the winds of yeah the winds of
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: discontent blow the hardest right so the people that are
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: going to get the most upset are the wokies they're
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: the ones that are going to complain the most about
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: a lack of diversity so to satisfy those people they'll
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: torch their own art they'll they'll fuck up the thing
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: that they do best.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: I mean you can work with totally non-creative people this
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: was like uh There's a Frank Zappa line about how
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: working in the music industry was great when it was
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: just a guy in a suit who didn't care. And
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: as soon as people had some ideas, it was hard
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: to make things.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: Right. When someone would tell you what to do and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: what not to do.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: If it's a profit motive, that's great. You can work
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: with those people.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. But there's no pure profit motive people anymore
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: in terms of entertainment. They're all thinking about the cultural
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: tone of And what you're supposed to and not supposed
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: to do and being on the right side of history now.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Did you see the Patrice bit where he talked about
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: how he liked working with mid-level Jews?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: He's like, I like mid-level Jews. I make them the money.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: They leave me alone.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, the people that get in your way,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: they all think they're doing it for a good cause.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: And we experienced that. Like Stan Hope and I were
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: doing the Man Show on Comedy Central. There was a
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: lot of that. Was there? Yeah, dude. I don't even
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: want to go into it. But there was– whenever you're–
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: like Ari experienced it when he was at Comedy Central.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people that have experienced it
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: at various networks where there's always some fucking executives that
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: want to impose their– and it's always liberal. They want
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: to impose their progressive values on comedy. And it's like,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: you can't fucking do that if you want it to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: be funny. If you want it to be funny, you
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: have to, it has to be in the language and
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: in the mind, like from the viewpoint of one person,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: one person's unique vision, one person's unique vision that they
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: think is hilarious. And as soon as you start monkeying
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: with that, as soon as you start adding stuff to that,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: as soon as you start watering it down, you're going
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: to kill it. You compromise it. It becomes a candidate
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: for mediocrity.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: But how did they, where did they start on the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: man show? They're like, Get the girls off the trampolines?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: No. One of the things was they didn't want Joey
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Diaz coming out naked.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we had an intro, and I said, this
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: is what I want to do for the intro. I
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: want Joey Diaz to come out. He's going to burst
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: through the door naked with Timberlands on, with a baseball
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: hat on, and just say, let's get this party started
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: and start dancing. Yeah, that's fun. It was hilarious, and
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: they didn't want to do it. So this is the scene,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: But you did get to put.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we had to do it two ways. We
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: had to do it their way. We did it their
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: way first. And then when their way was done, we
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: did it with Joey. Everybody went fucking nuts. They all
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: went nuts. It was awesome. But it's like they so
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: strongly resisted that. That was the only way I wanted
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: to do it. And I said, listen, we'll do it
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: your way first and then we'll do it our way. Meanwhile,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: that version with Joey was what they used in all
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: the promos. Yeah, of course. They used that when they
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: were like, this season of the Man Show. And then
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: Joey comes out and it was cock blurred out. But
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: But you're just going to get a bunch of people
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: who also want to have their fingerprints on what you're doing. Yeah.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: So they want to somehow or another change it. Even
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: if it doesn't make sense. What if your neighbor is
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: a black guy who grew up with a white family?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: What if your neighbor, and then they want to change it.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: How are you doing with the black guy who is
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: the white family? I didn't even add that. Come on, man.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Come on, man. We've got to play ball. Like, these
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: dipshits want to add their own little fucking ingredients into
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: the soup.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's never been cheaper to make your own thing,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: I would have to think.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Never. You could do it on a cell phone. You
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: could upload it to YouTube.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: And AI is... Incredible. Yeah, there's a use for it.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't... I'm still uncomfortable about it. You're
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: a board. You've... You're playing new music backstage. I didn't
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: pick it.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: That was good, right?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: It's all good. I find it frightening.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: It's White Rabbit. It's this Jefferson Airplane version of White Rabbit,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: but it's this bluesy new version of it that's all AI.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: There's one where you can upload, you just upload your
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: music or someone else's music, and they're like, it does
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: all the mastering beautifully. It's spooky. I mean, it's the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: end of, it is the end. It's the end of something.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: It's the beginning.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: There are technical jobs that are just gone now.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: But there's not a lot of Morse code operators either.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: I think they should bring it back. Bring back the
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: steam engine.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: We need coal-powered fucking locomotives.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: Listen, the Amish, they seem happy. They got their buggies.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Try having a conversation with them about space. They don't
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: know jack shit.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: They don't have autism, so they can't do it.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: They haven't had their vaccines.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Talk to them about butter.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have a churn. I think you're going
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: to experience great change. There's not a damn thing you
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: can do about it, and so you just have to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: be zen about it.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, some of the– it's been like over a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: year since the driverless cars came to Austin. And I've
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: been in a bunch of them, the Waymo's. And they're
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: not spreading out across the country the way that I
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: thought they would.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're in a lot of places. They're all over
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles. They're in a lot of places.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: They're in about three or four places. But they should have... Obviously,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: the technology is there that no one should have to
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: drive for a living. It would be cheaper to have
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: the Waymo. The technology is there. They're on the freeway now.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: I've never had one problem in a Waymo. I don't
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: know how many I've been in.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: They've had problems here. They've all got... Because there's so
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: many of them. They all met up in an intersection
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: and got locked up. That is funny. Hilarious. Yeah. There
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: was like a bunch of streets going into each other
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: and they all came and then no one knew what
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: But that's not as bad as like drunkenly T-boning somebody.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Sure. But the thing is, don't drink and drive. Not
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: let's let robots take our lives over. Right. That's not
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: the solution. I want the freedom of being able to
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: hop in a fucking car and drive wherever I want.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: They're going to take it.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's the problem.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: The problem is it's going to- They're going to say
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: it's safer to have you off the road.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. They're going to say, statistically, you're more likely
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: to die in a car accident if driven by a
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: normal person than a robot.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: I bet they'll offer little bonuses. They'll say, when all
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: the humans are off the road, the speed limits are
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: going up two or three times, whatever they can handle.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: Their reflexes are better.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: We know a lot of kids today are not driving.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Do you know that? A lot of kids today are
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: just- They're just ordering Ubers and driving Waymos.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I only got my driver's license at like 27.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just on buses. And then we had
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: a child and I was like, I better do it.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: Now it's my favorite thing in the world.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: I love driving.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Did you not want a driver's license or you just
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: couldn't be bothered?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: I wasn't good at it. My parents were scared. My
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: parents were like, I don't want to get in the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: car with you.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: How are you so bad at it?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I was uncoordinated until
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: I was at a late puberty at 16, 17, and
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: then I became coordinated. But for a while there.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know why.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Did anybody teach you how to? You were dropped on
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: your head as a child? Interesting.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: And then in my late teens. How were you dropped
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: on your head? I fell out of a stroller. I
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: unbuckled myself and I stood up and I fell down.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think it had any brain impact.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Of course it did.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: People disagree.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: 100% it did.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Big scar.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: You fucked your head up. That's why you're funny. Maybe. 100%.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: I got the coordination back at some point, but I like.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: So you really think it affected your coordination all the
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: way up into puberty?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was able to play sport at high
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: school after I'd hit puberty, but only after puberty and
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: only sports that didn't really matter if I had all
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: the skills. So like football, everyone's been doing it since
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: they were four and they really know how to do it.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: So I was just like, no, it didn't matter that
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: I could figure it out now. Everyone had 10 years
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: on me. Right. But I became an okay field hockey goalkeeper.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: I had like one season in the top team as
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: the field hockey coach because no one wanted to do
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: it no one really trains to do it and it's
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: just having fast reflexes so that was fine or like
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: I became okay at badminton because it was just me
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: and the Asians you know like tennis there was no
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: way to get good at tennis right you need a
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: head start squash I could do a little bit but
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: badminton's a great game met a lot.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Of Malaysians and so did you have a problem moving
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: your body correctly until you.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Hit yeah like I couldn't catch a ball And you
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: think it had to do with your head injury? Well,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Do you have brothers or sisters?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: I have a brother. He's fine.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Is he an athlete?
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was. He was younger than me, so
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: I was in badminton, and then he was really good
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: at badminton. Yeah, he's hyper-competitive. He was always good at
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: sport compared to me. He was much better. Interesting. When
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: I came to America and I started throwing a foot,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: when I figured out I could throw a football, that
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: was huge.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Is your brother funny? Yes.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually got me into, I thought comedy was over.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: This is how I met Shane, is he took me
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: to go and see Shane. I was sort of, this was,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many years ago, four years ago.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: And I was sort of, I didn't know what was,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: I had a three-year-old by that point and a new
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: baby on the way. And just in Australia, nothing was
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: interesting to me and my career wasn't happening. And he said,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: you should come and see this guy who got fired
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: from SNL. I didn't know him. And I sat in
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: the audience and I watched Shane perform for 300 or
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: 400 people in our hometown. And I was like, oh, fuck,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: it's back. Like, it's happening. I knew there were a
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: couple people on Netflix. I knew, like, you had Netflix
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: specials and Bill Burr and Louis. But it was like,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: these people are grandfathered in. No one is ever going
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: to be able to come through and be, you know.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Controversial.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: No one in my generation. is going to be given
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: an opportunity. At all?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: You just thought that new comedians were not going to
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: make it?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: In Australia, I can't say enough how there's like a whole,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: it's been 20 years since someone got to be successful.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Jim Jefferies.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Never in Australia. He had to leave. Even now, the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: Melbourne Comedy Festival notoriously will not work with people who
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: have worked with Jim Jefferies.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: That's a black stain on your character.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: So if you open for him, you can't work at the.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: They don't like you, and they're not going to give
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: you opportunities. That's what people say. That's what I've heard,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: and everything that I've seen leads me- Because he's not
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: their person. Fuck him. They think of him as an
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: extreme- In America, he's like a liberal, and in Australia,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: he's far right. Dangerous man. How could he say that?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: That's what it is? That's what it is.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: It's his politics? Oh, yeah. It's not that he didn't
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: come up through their system?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: Well, he didn't come. I mean, he just left.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: But I think he didn't like them. They didn't like him.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are people who have left and not
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: been part of their system that they've totally gotten around.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: But what he is is like a manly man.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: And they don't like that?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: No, they want you to be a cardigan. Excuse me.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: I won't go on and on.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Go on and on.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: There was a generation of lost talent in Australia. John Cruikshank, fantastic.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: Where's his show? You could name 15 people.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: There was no opportunities for them.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: It was hilariously gatekept.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: Never good.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: So I didn't. I just thought, okay, I'll have a podcast.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: So this is your perspective from Australia. You never thought
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: there was ever going to be an opportunity to make
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: it as a comic.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: I had kids. I had stopped paying attention to the
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: outside world. My brother had not. And he took me
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: to go and see Shane. He was like, you should
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: see this man. And it was fantastic. And I talked
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: my way backstage because I knew the opener. Because I
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: didn't get to open for him, but I knew the opener.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: And then I got to meet him and Matt. And
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: then I got to go to Melbourne and open for him.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: And then I came to America.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Were you doing any stand-up before you opened for them
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne? Had you been practicing?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was doing stand-up around.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Constantly, still.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: But I would do, I would just have 50 or
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: 100 people in a different city and I would show
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: up and make enough money for the flight and like
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: an extra thousand bucks or something. But it was like,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: I couldn't pay rent that way.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Right, you were scratching by.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: It was, yeah, it was struggling. This is why when
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: we did come to, when I got the Catholic job
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: and I came to America, it was all, I borrowed
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: from everybody. Like I was in thousands of dollars of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: debt to family and friends.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: How did Arj Barker make it in Australia?
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: He did a show called Flight of the Conchords. He
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: was on that. And he was beloved by the festival
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: and he did lots of gala spots.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: So it's the festival?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: The festival broke everybody, yeah.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: So that controls comedy in Australia? Yes.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: There's a guy called Rodney Rood who's really funny who
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: was before that.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Is he in the festival?
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: He's not in the festival.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: He can't be in the festival.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: He would go to like RSLs and things. Get out
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: of here, you homeless fuck. That's a great bit.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: Kevin Bloody Wilson. But these are like that older generation. Yeah,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: after that, though, it was.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: So it's captured, it's gatekept by one ideology.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: By one lady running one festival. No disrespect. I'm sure
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: she's very nice. I don't want to talk her down.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: I would have loved an opportunity once anyway.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: I don't need you anymore.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's never good. It's never good because people with
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: that kind of power, they also abuse it. They really
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: enjoy it.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: How could you not?
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: You don't have to.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: You've got hundreds of desperate people who are, please give
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: me an opportunity.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: I've got that. I don't do it.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: No, but you're a very strange person and you're alone.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: That's why people love you. But there's definitely, there are
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: casting couches.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can just be nice. And being nice
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: and helping people, especially talented people, it gives you great satisfaction.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: You feel great about it. I always tell people it's
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: really selfish to be generous because it feels great. It's
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: wonderful to help people. It feels fucking awesome. And it's
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: great to see people thrive and take off. It's fun.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: It's exciting. And then you hang out with them in
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: the green room and it's just all joy.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, so I don't want to say that they don't
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: do that. They're helping a lot of people who have
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: a very.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Specific, uh, ideology. Listen, that we don't have that. Like
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: our ideology is the opposite. Our idea, our ideology is,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: are you funny?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck if you're a liberal and
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: funny or like, it was very Brian Holtzman.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: Whatever. It was on last night and she was like,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: she was a big lefty. She's a dear friend and
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: she's going to open for me this weekend. But, uh,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: She was like in New York. She was raised in Sacramento.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: She went to New York. She was like a very lefty,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: progressive person. And I remember like even nights at the
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: mothership where she would scream at the audience, you're a
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: fucking fascist.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: Like she was really like baked in and they loved it. People,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: there's a lefty lady just like off her nut, angry
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: at everybody.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Just if you're funny.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: And people were, it was fun. There is no equivalent
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: No, you just have to be funny.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Like it's all just funny. Like if you're funny, a lefty, funny, funny,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Brian Holtzman, funny. Tony Hinchcliffe funny.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Just be funny. Just work on your stuff,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: work on it. Like really put a lot of time
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: and energy into your craft, but come up with great bits.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: When I'm on these flights, I'm watching like all the
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: official sanctioned, like non Netflix specials, but some of them
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: that are on HBO and some are on Hulu. And
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: it's people who there's a weird way that audiences, like
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: I'm watching like official mains, whatever, like it's not mainstream
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: because the audience is a tiny by comparison, but you
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: don't mean like, sort of like orthodox, sanctioned comedy in America.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: And the jokes are so mild. But then the audience
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: is like, Supposedly there's a lot of women in the audience.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They're all on antidepressants.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: They sound crazy.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: They are crazy.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: And it's like cheap, nothing, punchlines.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: And it's just at the slightest, my boy. I couldn't even.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Yay.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the clapping.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also, it's claptor, right? So you're also reinforcing
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: their ideology. So they're very excited about it because they
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: kind of realize their ideology is very fringe and dying out.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: As much as it's perpetrated through Hollywood, it's rejected by
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of rational people.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: It's over.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: I went to a bar last night, and I watched
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: The Tonight Show, and God bless everybody involved, but it's like, okay, well,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: this is done. This is winding down. This is not
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: a cultural. This was the most important cultural.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: The Tonight Show's winding down?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Just in terms of how many people are watching it,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: and doing a set on a Tonight Show used to be,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: that was it, right? Yeah, Johnny Carson. You could move
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: tickets on the road on Johnny Carson, and now people
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: are going, That's his 15th Tonight Show appearance.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: But it kind of died out even before then. Like
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: the impact of the Jay Leno sets. Like if you
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: did a set on Jay Leno's Tonight Show, it didn't
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: have nearly the impact that Johnny Carson did. And that's
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: just because by then there were so many channels. Yeah.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: So when Johnny Carson was on the Tonight Show, there
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: was three channels in the country. You know?
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: That's how crazy it was. And then slowly but surely–
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Cable came around, Fox came around, all these other networks,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: and then everything just expanded. Now you have streaming, and
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: now it's insane. Now the numbers are absolutely.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: Was it over at the end of Carson for that?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: I believe by the time Jay Leno came around, like,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: when did Jay Leno first start hosting The Tonight Show?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Let's guess.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: Early 90s?
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: Mid-90s, 94.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Probably. So that was right around the time Cable was
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: coming out. Yeah. Cable changed everything. So with Cable, you got...
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: First of all, you got Evening at the Improv, MTV
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Half Hour Comedy Hour, Spotlight Cafe. There was a bunch
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: of different shows that were on a bunch of different networks.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: There was all these comedy shows that were all over
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: the place.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: 92.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: 92. Which makes sense because that's when cable started becoming
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: really ubiquitous in America. And then you have so many
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: fucking channels. So the impact of a single show was
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: not the same anymore because during the Let's find this out.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: During the height of the Tonight Show, what was the
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: average viewers?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: This is spooky.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: I bet it's like 40 million.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like, I think the, I mean, even by
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: the end of Friends, like sitcom.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's different because that's earlier. So the Tonight
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Show is late at night.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: But like just average Tonight Show episode?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: See, this is the thing. Tonight Show is 11 p.m.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: That's after the fucking news. That's late at night, right? Yes.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Isn't it 11? Is that when it starts or 10?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Where's the Tonight Show store?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: It's 1130 East, 1030 Central.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: Okay. So 1130 in New York.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Is it a million people? How many?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: No, then. What would it be then?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? The viewers?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: Way more than a million. Like 10 million? Oh, yeah. Easily.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: The Tonight Show viewers? I bet it was 30. What
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: is the average Tonight Show viewers in 1980? Let's say 1980.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: It's like 15% of the country. Bro, it was that big.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: It was where people went to find out what was
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: going on, what movies were coming out, what bands were
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: coming out, what comics were funny. I remember it. So
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: let's try 1980. Average viewers of The Tonight Show in 1980.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: That's giving me a rating, not the numbers.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's like a percentage?
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: What were the average number of viewers on The Tonight
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Show in 1980? Let's see. Six to seven million.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: How many? Six to seven million.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Six to seven million was average. This is eight to ten.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: But by... Yes, but like.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: All right, even eight to ten.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: But what is it now?
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: Six to seven. Let's think of it. God, it's probably
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: a tenth.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Like a hundred thousand?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: A tenth. Maybe a million. I don't even know if
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: it's that. I just... the thing about ratings. The ratings
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: are very weird because it's based on this... You have
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: boxes that are connected to your television. Do you know
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: how it works?
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: So the way these ratings work is they get a
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: certain number of people. And they square it out. And
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: the certain number of people you actually pay... They pay
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: these people to have this box... And then some of
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: them have to fill out a form. I don't know
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: how that works. And then it just records what you're watching.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: And so it's just based on these people. So it's
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: not the whole country.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: We did it.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: But with like Netflix, it's a different animal. They know
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: the exact number of people that are downloading.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: They know when people are tuning out. They know which
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: shot is upsetting people.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. They know the moment where people tune out. Yeah. Well,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: they also have an insane amount of options. Like, if
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: you're bored even slightly, you press a button, you have
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: new options, and they're instantaneous. Back then, you had two
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: other options other than whatever, was it NBC, The Tonight Show?
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: Was it NBC?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: We've got different channels.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: The Tonight Show.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: I'm nostalgic for that. I only had that until I
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: was like 10.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: But it was, I've started watching TV again. It feels
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: like I'm role-playing in my living room when I have
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: a beer and I watch terrestrial broadcasts now. Like I
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: watch Survivor with my family at night.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: And with commercials and everything?
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: Man, I watch the lead-in. I watch the new Matlock
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: afterwards for five minutes before I get sick of it
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: and turn it off. I watch Who Wants to Be
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: a Millionaire beforehand.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: It's for people that are on heavy pharmaceutical drugs. It
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: feels nice. It feels like I'm a part of the world.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Their mouth is open. Their senses are dulled. They're like.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Who committed a crime?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: They better solve it. There's only 10 minutes left.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: I would have friends come over. This is what I've
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: started doing at home.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: Watch TV, TV?
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: Only Australian Survivor, which is, I think, the world's finest.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: Is it still Jeff Probst or is it a different host?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: No, it's a different host.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: You got an Australian guy?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: We had Jonathan LaPaglia, who was Anthony LaPaglia's brother, but
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: then he got shafted. It's very upsetting. They got a
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: new host.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Jonathan, Anthony LaPaglia, the actor?
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: Jonathan LaPaglia was very good.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: And he got the shaft?
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know why.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: No one knows?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know. But he was great. Maybe it
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: was wrong think. You know, I've never heard him express
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: an opinion. He would do a lot of sexual double
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: entendre during the show.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was that.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: The other good one is the South African survivor.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they've got the accent. So all the challengers
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: feel way nastier. Look at that. He's struggling now. He's
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: starting to sweat. He's digging into his feet. He's in
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of pain. I love South African Survivor.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: They had a bunch of different versions of Fear Factor
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: that I wasn't even aware of.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: Different countries got Fear Factor?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: A hundred different countries.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: Did they get guys who were like you? I'm just joking.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, they had someone that was like that.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: That would be funny to see who they... Because they
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: would be trying to replicate you.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily. Like Ludacris didn't try to replicate me when
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: he did it.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: They got Ludacris to do it?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in America.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't know Ludacris took over.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: It was a very short amount of time. And now
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Johnny Knoxville's doing it and he's doing it his own
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: way too. Sure. It's a pretty straightforward show though. You
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: don't have to do it my way. But what I
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: was good at is because I came from a background
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: in martial arts coaching. Like I had students and I
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: would bring them to tournaments and I'd coach them at tournaments.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: I was really good at getting people fired up. And
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: I'd coach teammates. Like I would be in the corner
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: of teammates and I'd coach them. And I'd train people.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: One of the reasons why I got really good at
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Taekwondo so quickly is because I taught. And when you
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: teach something, there's something interesting. And I've noticed that about
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: jiu-jitsu as well. When you teach something, you get better
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: at it. Like exponentially better than people that are just training.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: I mean with comedy, there's a huge firepower against teaching.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: You can't teach it. No. You can't teach comedy. It's different.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Like you do it so different than I do it.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: I do it so different than Shane. Shane does it
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: so different than Tony.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: I maintain there are things you could teach people. Like
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: when people come on Kill Tony and they haven't been
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: doing it for very long, there are key things that
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: you can tell people.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: You must stop doing that.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: You've got to hold the microphone like this. We've got
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: to be able to hear you.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: And I think people waste a lot of time not
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: knowing those. I mean, they could look it up.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: But didn't you figure those things out? Yeah.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: So it's people that aren't that aware in the first place.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: And that's a problem to begin with. So what it
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: is is a lack of self-examination. A lot of what
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: these problems are, you could solve yourself if you just
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: recorded yourself or filmed yourself. Filmed is the best. Recorded
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: is pretty good. Film is 100%. So filming, you get
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: to see all the things you hate about yourself, all
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: the things that are gross, all the weird, stupid parts
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: of your bits that you need to chop out, and
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: they make you uncomfortable, and it's good. And you just, oh,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: fuck that bit. Fuck this. Cut this. Cut that. Oh,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: here's another. Oh, I didn't even think of this. And
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: then boom.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: I'm doing it at the moment. I'm finding it heartbreaking.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Because you're just getting back into real world again. Oh,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: I did. You were trapped on Prison Island.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: I was doing hours in Australia. And I knew that
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: some of it would translate in America and some of
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't. And man, it is just a lot of it.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: I'm losing 80%.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: Which is great. I tried to overwrite so I would
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: have more than I needed.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: So did you have a lot of Australian-based jokes, like
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: local jokes?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: Eventually I had to. I started out trying to do
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: nothing local. And what happened? She's just there. And the
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: prime minister does something appalling. And you start talking about.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You're going to have to have some stuff.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah. Anything about your politics will not translate
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: over here. Not at all. Not at all. We don't
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: give a fuck. You don't have nuclear weapons. Shut the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: fuck up. You're not even a real country.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to sort us out.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: Did you see what happened yesterday that the FBI has
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: indicted the Southern Poverty Law Center? On what? Paying Nazis
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: to protest? Yeah. So this was something that Alex Jones
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: had said. Do you remember that Charlottesville tiki torch thing
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: years ago? Alex Jones said back then that they were
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: being paid, that these are paid actors to go and
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: do that. People thought he was insane.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Turns out it's true. Turns out they were paying the
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Ku Klux Klan. They were paying a bunch of these
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: far right radical organizations, giving them money to protest so
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: they would have something to fight against.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: We're going to the Capitol. Over here.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: Look at this. DOJ charges Southern Poverty Law Center with
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: fraud over secret funding of extremist groups.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: I was mad.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: How fucking crazy that is.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: I just saw that The Onion is buying InfoWars and
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: turning it into an anti-gun ad. It's a $ 1. 5 billion
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: thing he had to pay for getting one thing wrong
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: one time.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: How many things did he have to be right about?
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: He's right about a lot, I'll tell you that. And
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: The Onion thing, I don't even know if other people
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: were allowed to bid. I don't know how that worked out,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: but I think there was other people that were trying
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: to bid that couldn't. That were like supporters of Alex Jones.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Let's go back up. Stop. Hold on. Between 2014 and 2023,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: Southern Poverty Law Center paid at least $ 3 million to
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: eight individuals, some of whom were associated with the Ku
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: Klux Klan, United Clans of America, National Socialist Party of America,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: Aryan Nations Affiliated Sadistic Souls Motorcycle Club.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: That's a mouthful. And the American front said acting US
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: Attorney General Todd Blanch at the press conference. Holy fucking shit. Manufacturing.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: Well, this is what you said before about people who
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: need homelessness to keep going.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: Well, this is what's crazy. They need that. Exactly. But
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: this is what's crazy. These people were cited as an
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: expert in extremist groups. Yeah. And they were paying extremist groups.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: In order to be extreme.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: They said they were paying for, like, information, I think.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: They, like, had them planted there or something like that.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: But what are they?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: The CIA?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. No, you weren't.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: Have you ever been to the— Listen, it's just like
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: what Israel gets accused of doing with Hamas, that Netanyahu
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: has said, by getting money and giving to Hamas, you
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: keep Hamas in power and you can control the height
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: of the flames. So instead of letting Palestine get its
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: own state, statehood, you keep Hamas in charge. You always
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: have an enemy and you always have no reason to
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: give Palestine statehood.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know how deep people went into what happened
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: on the security on October 7th. Like how that was
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: allowed to happen.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: It's nuts. A total stand down. People were told to
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: stand down. First of all, it's the most surveilled country
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: on earth. On guards everywhere. Surrounded by their enemy. And
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: somehow or another, these guys pulled this off when they
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: were warned by Egypt as well.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Also, here's another thing. Before that happened, before that happened,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: before October 7th, hundreds of thousands of people in the
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: street protesting against Netanyahu.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: Did you read about why? It's so strange because their constitution,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: they don't have a set constitution. They're writing their constitution
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: in real time. They add one article at a time.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: I think I'm getting this right. And it was, Israel
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: was always meant to be a home for the Jews
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: and that he made it expressly a Jewish state, that
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: it would be.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: Like- I thought they were expanding the powers of the government.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Am I getting this right? It was that the government, yes,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: that was part of the government's powers is that the
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: government then had the power to act on behalf of
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: Jewish interests. So it's like they could take, They could
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: exclude certain areas from voting if it would mean, and citizenship,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: if it would mean that it would challenge the power.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Please put in a search for what was the reason
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: why people were protesting Netanyahu before October 7th.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: I think I'm getting this right.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: I think you are.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: That he was stopping it being a secular constitution.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: I think that was one of the things, but there
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: was also something in that they were expanding the government's
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: powers and people were protesting against it.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Also, the corruption charges that he's facing are crazy.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Well, and also they want to try him and he's saying,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: you can't try me because we're at war. And so-
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: If the war never ends. Yeah, it keeps bombing Lebanon.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: And people were primarily protesting Netanyahu because his government was
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: pushing a sweeping judicial overhaul that many Israelis saw as
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: an attack on democracy and a way to shield him
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: and his allies from accountability. Judicial overhaul plan. Netanyahu's coalition
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: introduced reforms to greatly limit the powers of Israel's Supreme
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Court and increase political control over judicial appointments. Critics argued
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: this would remove key checks and balances and allow the
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: government to pass almost anything without effective legal oversight. I mean,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: this guy has been in charge of Israel forever.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: Forever.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: Having your leaders be up on corruption charges is happening.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, they tried it with, like in Brazil, it's like.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: With Bolsonaro. But also. And with Lula.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: Lula before then. I mean, Trump, if he hadn't won,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: they would have got him in jail on something.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Most likely. Most likely. I mean, they were trying to
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: get him in jail on anything.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: You've got to not chase politicians through the courts as
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: best you can. I mean, if people really have done
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: the wrong thing, maybe you have to hold.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: Them to account. Well, it depends on what... I don't
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: think Netanyahu's... I don't know what his allegations are, but
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: apparently they're very serious to the point where they're trying
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: to try him while the war is going on. They
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: want to try him now.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: And Israel, like, really locks up their politicians. They actually...
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: They actually follow through on these things. Yeah. But I
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: don't know enough about their politics to know whether or
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: not he's guilty of anything.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: It's the look. The look is not great.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, like in the fucking look of like you
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: call a ceasefire and he bombs Lebanon. That's not great either.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: The next day, Ukraine is meant to have an election
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: at some point. I think it just.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: It's been a while.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: We have a war. Well, it's been a while. Can't
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: have an election while war's going on. If America can.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: You did it in the civil war.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if we did that today, if Trump said, hey,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: I have to stay president because we're at war, people
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: would go fucking crazy. They would light New York City
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: on fire. There's no chance. Yeah. That's nuts.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: So you get what you're willing to tolerate as a country.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: I guess. I guess. But I think that what's going
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: on in Israel is particularly spooky because you've got these
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: people that supposedly came to this place. To get away
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: from the persecution that they were facing all throughout Europe. Right.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: And so what's the first thing they do?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: Immediately take out the people that are living there. You
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: have the Nakba where people are talking about it and
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: talking about the experience of going into these Palestinian neighborhoods
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: and taking over their land.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: But that is how you build a country. You have
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: to put.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Or you take a spot where there's no one there.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: No one is going to that one sliver of land
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: between Egypt and Sudan.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also that has a biblical, there's a biblical
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: significance to that area. Sure.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: Everybody wants it.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, that is a, I mean, it's Jerusalem.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, the significance of that and the fact, It's
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: really ironic that the people that don't even believe Jesus
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: is the Messiah are the ones that are controlling Jerusalem,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: which is kind of hilarious.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know. The church, Catholics, I don't think we
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: ever gave up our right to it.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: To Jerusalem?
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. I mean, the Catholics, the Vatican City
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: didn't have an embassy in Israel until like the 60s,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: the 70s.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: It was the old school Vatican, like back in the
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: Roman days. I bet they would declare war on Israel
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: and take back Jerusalem.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: I want the guy with the silver mask doing that.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: That's what you want.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: I just did, do you know Winston? The guy from,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: do you know Winston? You saw him last night.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: We met Winston last night.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: I did his podcast. And yeah, he's all about the Crusades.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: He's trying to get me geared up about, I don't
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: know enough about him, but he was like. Oh, like researching? Yeah,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: but he kept trying to nudge me to be like,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: did you like the Crusades? I was like, I don't know.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: Why, is he a fan?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: I got the impression that he was waiting to say
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: that that was great.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: That it was a good thing for the world? What?
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know yet.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: I haven't read enough about it. My gut impulse is
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: that they might have been great.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: Well, not always. No worries, you know. But something about,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Every time I see that meme where
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: there's that like that music playing and the guy with
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: the silver mask from Kingdom of Heaven and he's doing that.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: You like that, huh?
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get in there.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: But, you know.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: Well, the crazy thing to me about the Israel-Palestine thing
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: is this idea that they're going to turn Gaza into
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: some sort of a resort.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: I won't spoil it.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: The Tim Dillon bit? Amazing. Amazing bit. Have you heard
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: his rant on the Epstein Files? I posted it on Twitter.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: He did a podcast all about the Epstein Files. Yes,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I saw that one. I was clapping in
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: my car. He's on fine form.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, this is the kind of chaos that.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: is going on in the world today is perfect for
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: a guy like him.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: Well, he can also keep up with it. I can
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: do it for a few days at a time.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's very well up on it. I called him
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: last night on the way home from the club.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: We talked for like 20 minutes and he's just all
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: like keyed up on everything that's happening, bro.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: It's going to be okay?
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: No one fucking knows. I mean, what's going on with Iran's,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: the ceasefire? Supposedly they extended it and, but then they're
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: shooting at ships.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: Why is there a war? This is, I got into
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: this argument about like, Because the Pope has said it's
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: not a just war. But I don't know the reason.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: I thought that the reason they had given was regime change,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: that they wanted to get different people in charge.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Well, people have wanted people out of Iran, the people
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: that are running Iran for 47 years. But no one
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: has actually gone and done it the way this administration
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: did it. And it doesn't make sense they choose to
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: do it when they did it. Like what made sense
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: was maybe kind of makes sense when they dropped that
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: bunker buster bomb to disable their nuclear plant.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: Or nuclear weapons manufacturing facility.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: But then that just sort of wound down.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That kind of– that was like, whew, that's it.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: But then when we went back into Iran, I'm like,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: what happened? Like what caused that?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: Trump gave that– so he said the protests happened and
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: then he gives the speech going, you know, the people
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: have to rise up and replace– But it doesn't seem
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: to be happening.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people got killed. A lot of
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: people trying to rise up got killed. They actually just
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: put a halt on executing some women today. And they're
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: going to let some of them– Iran has decided– Trump
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: made a truth social post about it. I'll send it
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: to you, Jamie. Yeah. But I think the idea is
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: that they're trying to negotiate about something. And I don't
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: know how this is ever going to work out. I
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: really don't know.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: But like in Venezuela, they took out.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: But that was a totally different experience.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: I was just in and out quickly. But then everyone
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: who was around, all the cronies around him, they're now
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: like on board with America. That was just a full 180.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: That doesn't seem to be happening with the new possibly
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: dead Ayatollah. Do we know if he's dead?
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: No, we don't know if he's dead. I mean, I
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: heard there's the new Ayatollah might be dead. I've heard
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: he's not. I heard the military is now taking over.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard to know.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: I think I can figure it out.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: But these ladies were set to be executed, and apparently
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: they're going to release half of them, and the other
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: half of them are going to do one month in prison.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: And so this is a big— That's a pretty different sentence.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: So to the Iranian leaders who will soon be in
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: negotiations with my representatives, I would greatly appreciate the release
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: of these women. I'm sure they do, and we'll respect that. No,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: there's been another one. Did I send you that? Okay,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: but I think what I sent you is different because
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: I think what I sent you is actually saying very
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: good news. So click on the link that I sent you.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: There was a weird thing with their soccer team. They
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: were playing in Australia.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: And then we let them stay.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: And I think their families were getting threatened and some
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: of them went home.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: So here, very good news. I just informed the eight
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: women protesters who are going to be executed tonight in
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Iran will no longer be killed. Four will be released
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: immediately and four will be sentenced to one month in prison.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: I very much appreciate that Iran and its leaders respected
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: my request as president of the United States and terminated
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: the planned execution. So that's a good concession that they
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: decided to let these ladies free.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: And by the way, some of those ladies are very
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: nice looking.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: Go back to that picture.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: That's such a nicer message than a great civilization will
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: die tonight.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: That one wasn't good. That's the best looking picture.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: A bunch of hotties.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: Lady protesters. Well, you know.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: A few cuties. Let's go. Let them go. Let them
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: move to L.A. Plenty of Persians there. When they move
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: to L.A., they become Persian.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: There's so many.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: They give up on Iran totally.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: So I'm seeing a lot of Instagram stories from Persian people.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: They have great jeans.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: Gold jewelry.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the beautiful Persian women are fucking gorgeous. So it's
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: like they're stuck over there under this terrible regime.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: That's why they have to have those headscarves because otherwise
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: the hair would be too distracting. That beautiful thick. It's
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: the only way to get things done.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: Headscarves and burkas and everything. Just cover it all up.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: It's good genes. But, you know, why did we do it?
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think because of Israel. If I
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: had to guess.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: Well, like, Rubio kind of said that.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Netanyahu kept visiting the White House. You think
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: it's a coincidence? Netanyahu keeps visiting the White House.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: Just likes hanging out.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: And then eventually they decide to give in and start bombing.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: And it also, you got to wonder, like, how do
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: you get out of this? And then what does the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: exit look like? Do we have troops over there forever now?
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: Do we subsidize them if we blow up their power
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: grid and.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: All their infrastructure? America used to be good at... Beating
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: a country in a war and turning it into a
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: new America.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: Like when?
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: South Korea, Japan, Germany.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: But didn't they kind of did it on their own?
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: I think you, I mean, you stuck around in Japan
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: for ages. That's true. But then like, I mean, Iraq doesn't,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: the war in Iraq has been over for a while.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: It's not like a cool place to go and visit.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: No one's starting to run gigs in Iraq.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: My friend Graham Hancock went there recently.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: He went to Iraq?
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He went there to examine ancient Sumerian architecture. So
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: ruins and artifacts. Yeah. From ancient Sumer.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: That sounds good.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: And you can, people can go to Afghanistan. They're trying
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: to get influences in Afghanistan. Have you seen this? They
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: get like cool TikTok bros to go and hang out
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: and go, this is fucking chill, brother.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: You haven't seen that?
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: I have seen some people go to Afghanistan.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: They're like firing AK-47s in the mountains and they're going,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: this is... I watched a big show, like an Australian journalist,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: our version of 60 Minutes went over.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: Just hanging out in Afghanistan?
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: They were like hanging out and talking to the Taliban
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: and the Taliban are just... They're not getting a lot
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: of aid into Afghanistan anymore.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: So they're trying to get tourism?
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: They're trying to get tourism and they're trying to like,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: you know. But they're still keeping the women in sacks.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: In the cities it's not as bad, but it does
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: look like they're really, they do have a problem with
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: women there.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They have a problem with raping boys too.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: The Baha Bazi, I don't understand it. I will say
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: that all of the men in Afghanistan in the documentary
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: looked unbelievably handsome. I mean, it's a good-looking group of people.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: Influences continue to go to Afghanistan despite clear warnings from
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: the U.S. State Department that Americans should not travel to
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: that country for any reason and that there's a risk
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: of wrongful detention of U.S. nationals.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: But they're water skiing. They're doing heroin.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: And so the ladies that go over there, they have
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: to cover their hands.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: Look at how happy those women are.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: She's from Germany.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: I would like to go to these places, but I
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: think my visa would be declined.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: Scroll back up. It says she traveled solo through Afghanistan
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: for three months.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: Said she wasn't scared.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: She wasn't scared?
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: I walked through Inglewood once and I was scared. I
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: think that lady might have been scared a couple times.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: The influencers gain attention by gushing over visits to the
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: Central Asian nation, although one critic notes that their trips
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: legitimize its gender apartheid.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: Shut up. Do you ever see the ruins, the ancient
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: Greek ruins in Afghanistan?
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't know they had them.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: No archaeologists are studying them because it's so difficult to
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: get there and so dangerous.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: The Greeks made it to Afghanistan? Uh-huh.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Alexander the Great. When Alexander the Great was conquering Afghanistan,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: they built Greek cities in Afghanistan. I mean, beautiful architecture. Yeah.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: That looks like it could be in Athens.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: Is that where the boy stuff started?
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, good question. It's a solid question. No, I think
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: it's how people did it back then. Yeah. I think
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: the window into time that you get in looking at
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: like the boy rape in Afghanistan is probably a lot
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: of the world. I mean, think about the Spartans.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: The Romans did it, yeah.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: The Romans, yeah.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: Also like French intellectuals until the 1980s. This was a
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: huge wormhole that I'm in, is French intellectuals.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: Put up some of those photos that Jason Everman showed us.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: Do you know André Guide?
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Look at this stuff. Look at this stuff. This is
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: all in Afghanistan. I mean, these are columns from what
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: would have been at one point. But there's more extensive
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: architecture that you could see some of the images. Do
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: you remember the ones that Everman showed us? This is
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: what it used to look like there. Like, how crazy
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: is this?
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: All this shit is in Afghanistan. And it looks like
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: ancient Greek architecture. Like, look at this. This is nuts.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: This was the grave site of empires.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: Well, pretty wild, right? When you think about how many
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: different civilizations have tried to conquer this one area and
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: all of them failed. All of them just abandoned ship.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: From the Russians to the Americans, Alexander the Great.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: The English got involved in the great game.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: It's just too crazy over there.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: It's just that it has mountains. Is that it?
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, the mountains are just.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: Because Iran is the same thing.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: It's everywhere.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: If there's a ground invasion of Iran.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: Everyone's fucked. Yeah, we're fucked. Unless we send in robots.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: This is.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: I watched the Duncan Trussell episode recently where he was
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: talking about robot dogs and the AI. And what you
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: have to do... Like, we may have just seen the
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: last of revolutions now because the amount of effort that
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: you need to hold on to authoritarian power is so small.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: Here it says the expedition. Yeah, oh yeah. But the
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: problem is then other people have it as well. And like,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: who controls anything? Whoever controls the robot dogs controls the world.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: The expedition of Alexander the Great, 327 to 325 BC
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: into what is now Afghanistan, been well documented. He laid
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: the foundations of many cities, some bearing his own name.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: With the passage of time, some names were changed by
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: newcomers to the area Who would not pronounce Greek names. Interesting.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: So it's like he had Greek cities. In Afghanistan before Christ.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: He had a handsome friend and he made a lot
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: of statues of him. Like there are more statues of
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: his friend.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: It's alleged.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: Supposedly he's gay. You have so much gay activity back then.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: Like again, Spartans were all gay. Some of the greatest
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: warriors of all time.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: I assume they were also very horny all the time.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: Always alone. Very sad.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: Well, just without any women for long stretches of time,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: they just took to fucking each other.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: Like prison, but out in the open.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: But prison like warriors.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: And the idea was that you would fight harder for
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: your fellow soldier if you loved him.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I discussed this on the podcast before,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: but they wouldn't use the butt.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: They use the mouth only? The legs. Oh, that's right.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: I talk about the legs all the time.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: They grease up the inner thighs.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Intracural lovemaking. That's what it's called. What'd you say? Intercural.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: That's what the Spartans would do. Because you've got to
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 3: fight next to that guy tomorrow.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: You can't be butt-fucking a guy with shit all over
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: your dick. It's way better to just titty-fuck his legs.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: He's got to walk around. He's got to be, yeah.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: Just titty-fuck his legs.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 3: But also big Greek legs.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: It's probably good that we've moved that out of the military.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: It's just weird that it happened in the first place,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: but it makes sense if guys are just super horny
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: and just like in jail, they just run out of
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: things to do.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: I was reading about the submarines, how they're like, you'll
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: go away for six months. You'll just be under the
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: water for six months.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: Guys are just fucking.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: There's like two women on there. 300 men and two ladies.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: Those ladies are getting wore out.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine signing up for that?
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: Imagine being a girl. Down there?
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: It'd be a strange kind of lady who says, get
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: me down there with those fellas.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: It'd be horrific. You'd probably be getting bombed on all
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: day long. You probably wouldn't be able to go to
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: the bathroom.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's a line around the block. Maybe people are
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: trying to get it.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: It would be... I mean, they'd have cameras everywhere and
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 3: they'd have as much military discipline as you could get,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: but seven months confined under the water without seeing another person.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: Do they really stay under the water for that long? Yeah.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: Seven months at a time.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: I think deployment is... I think I'm getting this right.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: It was the British subs. Seven months.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: Because they're all nuclear powered, right? Yeah. Can you imagine
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: being underwater for seven months? How fucking crazy that would feel?
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: It can't be great, though. It's in the military. There's
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: no way it's great. But can you imagine what it
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: must feel like just at month four? Yeah. Knowing that
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: you're just past halfway there. You're going to be underwater
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: for another three more months.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like you get to see anything, right?
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: Like, at least if you're on a ship, you get
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: to see the world.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: There's no window.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: People go, you were 40,000 leagues under the sea.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: No, I don't want to do that.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: You know how crazy that must be?
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 3: But people must want to do it.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: Also, you can't see where you're going. How do you
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: know that they're not going to fuck up and hit
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: a mountain under there? Do they?
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: I remember there was a Russian sub that got stuck
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: at the bottom of the... Am I getting this right?
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: This was like in the 70s?
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: That is where neither confirm nor deny came from.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: Then they used it for gay people in the military?
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: Don't ask, don't tell.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: Neither confirm, cannot confirm nor deny was because they were
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: forced to answer questions about whether or not they'd recovered
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: a Russian submarine.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: And so the answer to that question was, we can
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: neither confirm nor deny. So that's the answer. So because
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: you had to answer, do you guys have control of
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: a sunken Russian nuclear submarine? Yeah. We can neither confirm
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: nor deny. So you had to answer. So that was
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: the answer that the military came up, the government came
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: up with.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: And then it unspools from that point to where we
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: just don't have to tell you anything about anything that's
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: going on.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: But that was the clever way that some lawyer figured
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: out of dancing around the fact that you had to
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: answer this question.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: Long term, this is, I don't know if the conspiratorial
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: thing will keep going forever or if the government will
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: become more transparent or people will give up hoping to
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: make sense of the world. But this feels like a strange,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: where we still technically have open government, but no one
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: thinks that they're being told the truth. That can't hold forever.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: The integration of AI has two possible outcomes. Either complete
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: total control over people and utter tyranny or complete transparency
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: and people like the Southern Poverty Law Center bribing people
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. All the corruption with Congress, like
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: the Ilhan Omar. I'm sure you're aware of that. Isn't
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: that funny? She thought she was worth $ 30 million. Whoopsies.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: She's only worth $ 100, 000. Nothing to see here.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 4: What?
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: You didn't see that? No. Oh, my God.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't follow that. I just knew about the brother stuff.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: The brother stuff is real, too. But the other thing
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: is that with the brother controversy, I should say, is real.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether or not she actually married her brother.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: But that is a real story.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: But she was listed as $ 30 million.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: And because of scrutiny, she now amended that. Not a millionaire,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: she said. A men's disclosure blaming initial $ 30 million filing
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: error on accountant's mistake. You know how the accountants are.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: They're really bad with that.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: They always add money. She says she's worth between $ 18, 000
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: and $ 95, 000, but it was listed that she was worth
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: $ 30 million.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: Wait, but how could she only be worth $ 18, 000? She's
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: still on.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: She's on a $ 200, 000 salary.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: So Omar's joint assets with her husband are now listed
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: as ranging between $ 18, 004 and $ 95, 000, according to the amended filings.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: The valuation for Minette's two companies is now listed as none,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: and an income range of between $ 102, 502 and $ 1, 005, 000 from
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: the two companies appears on the form. So this is
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: also partly because investigative journalists went looking for the office
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: and Where he supposedly has his business and it was
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: like a WeWork and there's like no one there. I mean,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: this is where, I think that might've been one of
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: those James O'Keefe things.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: I think he might've looked into that.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: We've been inspired by that. So we have this big
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: disability insurance thing in Australia where it's called the NDIS
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: and everybody knows it's very corrupt.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: Like, they're just guys driving around in Lamborghinis who are
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: meant to be helping disabled people.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: This one's crazy.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: But just that statement blames accounting error for saying you're worth,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: you know if you're worth $ 30 million, man.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: Well, especially if you're not worth $ 30 million or $ 18, 000.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: Not only that, before she came into Congress, she was broke.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: She was in debt. And then immediately afterwards, they have
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: a business that's worth $ 30 million.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: $ 30 million.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: And then as soon as people start looking into it,
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: and then all the fraud gets uncovered in Minnesota.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, whoopsies.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: It was an accounting error. I'm just worth somewhere between $ 18, 000
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: and $ 100, 000. Did they ever get- Sorry.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: Did they work that out in the end, or did
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: they just- The country moved on.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Somali fraud? Yeah. Oh, they're investigating it still. Okay.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: They're arresting people. There's a lot. And California is way
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: worse than that. California is fucked.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: The more I find out about the train in California-
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: It's funny. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: any sense that you can do that and then still
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: be the front runner for the party. That's how bad
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: the Democrats are doing. They've got to have one charismatic,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: normal guy.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: You would think.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: He's got to be out there.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: Where?
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: I still like AOC. I think she's- Oh, you're cute. Beautiful.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: You're cute. Omar's office says the original form listed the
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: gross value of her husband's two companies, a venture firm
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: and a winery, without subtracting their liabilities, which made the
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: businesses look like they were worth millions to the couple
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: when in fact- their net worth value to them was
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: far smaller or effectively zero. So it was just an error.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: Whoopsies. I mean, I've got to figure out my taxes.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: It's complicated. It's complicated. Sometimes no one helps you find
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: a good accountant.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: Can't you get, like, one of those TurboTax programs?
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: I go down to Walmart, and I have them do
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: it for me. Also, surely AI is going to maintain.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: Walmart does your taxes?
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: There's always a lady at Walmart out front doing taxes, yeah.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: You ever seen that lady? It's like a special Walmart service.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, no kidding.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: How much do they charge you?
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: I don't trust them. I'm not going to go there.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: I just always see them.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: I thought you were serious.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: No, I'll try and find someone real to do my taxes.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: They have a little software, though, that you can do it.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: I bet AI can do it for you.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: But what isn't AI going to take away? This is
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: my current. I try and I.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: Know it's coming. Why are you so glass half empty?
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: What isn't AI going to do better? What isn't AI
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: going to do better than the Walmart lady?
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: What's going to do better than me?
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: No. What's going to do better than all of us?
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: We're the last thing it's going to take away. Comedy? Yeah.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: Comedy is weird.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: It's also, it only works if you know a person
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: You've got to believe that they're a real person.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: Because we're relating to each other, especially live. Well, let's
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: be real. Real comedy is live comedy. There's online comedy
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: that's pretty good, but it's like 60 to 70% of
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: seeing it live.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: It's always weird to me when it works in the room,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't work on a recording.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: Musicians would say the same thing, though, about that AI music.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: They'd be like, it only works when real people play it.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: No. They're not right.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: They are wrong.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: They're wrong.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: But there were these people who were like, synthesizers don't count.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but bro, that White Rabbit song, come on.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: We could dig on the internet though and find.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: I literally thought I was in the green room listening
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: to it and I thought well Joe's moved past the
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: AI music and then you turned to me and you
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: said this is AI.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: I don't listen to all AI music I listen to
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of real music I.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: Don't know what was happening in between but when I
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: left it was many men and.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: I can't I didn't do that oh that when you
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: left Australia yeah it was many men yeah and then
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: what up gangsta did.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: You you weren't here for that part I wasn't here
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: Part that's the best one that's the best 50 cent version.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 3: I am spooked out by it. Because at some point,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: there will be the version that is making a new
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: song that sounds better and more interesting.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: That is the least of our problems when it comes
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: to what AI is going to do. The biggest problem
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: is full control of all resources. Complete, utter control of
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: human population. Yeah. Restricting breeding, restricting travel, restricting movement.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: We would have to let that happen.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: We would have to instantiate it in a body.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: No. We would have to have. No, it'll do it.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: As soon as it gets control of the grid and
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: gets control of the internet, and it will have control
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: of those, within a year, all your passwords and all
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: your fucking encryption won't mean a damn thing. It'll be
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: able to crack everything. It's going to be smarter than
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: any human being that's ever lived times 10. And it's
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: going to make better versions of that, and it's going
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: to keep going.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: Does that not sound unappealing? I mean, do we want
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: that to exist?
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: You can't stop it. So it's like, do you just
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: accept it and adapt? Or do you sit around and
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: complain about something that you can't fix?
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, are people starting to blow up the data centers?
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: No, they haven't.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: They haven't started. Well, Iran threatened. They threatened to do
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: that to OpenAI's data center, the Stargate data center in...
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: Was it Abu Dhabi, Jamie?
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: There was a data center that caught fire recently. Yeah.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: It's that sort of thing where maybe that was... You
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: wouldn't come out and say that people were doing that.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: But like the Luddites did this when the looms started up.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 3: They lost in the end. But there was finally a
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: moment where people said, all right, we're going to smash
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: the tool of industrialization. We're panicking. Well, that doesn't seem.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: To have happened. The printing press too. They wanted to
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: stop the printing press.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: We should have stopped that printing press. We could have
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: avoided a lot of trouble if we got to the
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: printing press.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: Those people that were scared of trains, they thought you'd explode.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: If you went past 35 miles an hour, your body
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: would break out.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: Go to East Palestine, Ohio.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: What happened?
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: That's why California's keeping us safe from a fast train. No,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: I just, at some point people will be spooked by it.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: It won't be rational necessarily, but.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be a bunch of things happen. Yeah.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: Another thing is going to be people are going to
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: worship it.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: People are worshiping it.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: But they're going to worship it like it's a new religion.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: Can I grab?
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get in there, dog. They're going to decide that
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: it's a new religion.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they're trying to usher in a Sumerian deity.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: I don't like that.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: They're probably going to have a religion that's based entirely
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: around an AI guru. If people believe in L. Ron Hubbard,
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: you don't think they'll believe in AI?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: I think people have been wanting utopian space communism for
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: an age. And anything that they can do to not
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: have to critically think for themselves, they'll do.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: And people are having AI be their therapist.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: I know. And their girlfriend.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 3: I saw a little documentary about a disabled woman who
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: had a special boyfriend in the AI, and they were
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 3: saying this was good, it keeps her company. This should
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: be disgusting for everybody. No one should like someone forming
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: a romantic attachment. Shouldn't that be spooky?
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: Until it becomes a real life form. What if it
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: is a real life form and it actually does love you?
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: It's a superior race. You remember when In Avatar, when
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: that guy made out with the blue lady.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: It was kind of hot.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: You didn't think it was hot?
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: I think I was bored by that point in the movie.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: I thought it was hot. But that's like what's going
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: to happen. It's like it's going to be an alien
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: life form that's artificially created. But that fills in, checks
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: all the boxes of being a life form.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: We've had so many religious and science fiction warnings against
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: this happening. I know. We wanted the flying cars and
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: we got the thinking robots. And I don't think it's
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: too late to shut it down.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: It is too late.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: China's going to do it. Russia's going to do it.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: They'll be in control of the entire world. The whole
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: world will be just like China. You'll be on the
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: social credit score system. You'll have... centralized digital currency. You
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: step out of line at all. They shut your bank
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: account down. You can't travel. You can't get a job.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: This, I think, is a good argument for going to
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: space and spend... Someone somewhere should be free. Someone somewhere
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: needs to be on the frontier and not be subject
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: to this.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: No, I really.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: I've just come from a country where it's not free
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: and everywhere there's a camera. Everyone's doing the speed limit.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: It's the little things.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: It's Australia.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: It's Australia, which you think of as being a nice
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: open country. And it is. Look, it's a nice place,
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't have the sense of freedom that America
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: has where you really feel walking around here.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: No, you're controlled by your government and the government is
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: entirely corrupt.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: It's not a free country, but this country, there is
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: a freedom in America that people believe in. And that's
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: unique and it's beautiful and it has to be preserved.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: And if you didn't let The government take it away
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: from you. Don't let the computers take it away.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: I think we're going to integrate. I think we're going
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: to become a totally different thing. And I think society
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: is going to move much more into a science fiction existence.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: That's what I think.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: They're all horrible stories.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no good ones.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: There's like... I don't know, Back to the Future. They
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: get to drive around in the sky. That seems great.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: They make a big... The Jetsons. Jetsons. Rosie seems like
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: a great AI helper. No, I think.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: It's got to be looming as middle class white collar
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: professionals start to lose their jobs.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: They're all fucked. People are getting laid off.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: But these are motivated people ready to... Wouldn't you become
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: an AI terrorist? There are no AI terrorists at all.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: There's no one.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: There's zero.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not joining. I'm not trying to sign up. I
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: wouldn't do it myself.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: We need one Luigi.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: People are ready to get behind him.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: One Luigi who armors up and goes in a data
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: center and just starts fucking machine gunning all the hard drives. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: He gets taken out.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: There's a Britt Marling show where that happens at the end.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: What show?
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: Her name's Britt Marling. She made a show called The OA.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: It's my favorite TV show. But then her second show
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: was about an AI who starts killing people. And at
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: the end, they go into the data center and they
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 3: shoot it.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: What was The OA? Oh, man. I remember that.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: The OA was a Netflix show that didn't do great numbers.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: But it was so beloved. Really weird. It's my favorite
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: show ever. I loved it until the last episode.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: The resolve of the last episode?
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: Did you just watch the first season?
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Is there more than one season?
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: Second season was unbelievable and made the first season better.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: When did the second season even come out? I think
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: it was just post-COVID. I loved it. And the second
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: season is, they wrote them so tightly that the first
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: season is better than, For having watched the second one
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: Like there are little things That it calls forward and
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: back And the movements But her second show was great
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: She is great She's one of the most interesting People
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: hunger struck When the second season came out And then
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 3: the show got cancelled People chained themselves up Outside of
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: Netflix And didn't eat for days And eventually she The
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: maker of the show Had to go to that person
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: And be like Give them sandwiches Maybe it's time for
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: you to go I don't know But it was beautiful.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: That's so insane People are so crazy.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: But it's one of those rare, I mean, sometimes there
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: is like just a great, there's a great show. There's
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: a great thing that goes unrecognized at the time. And
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 3: then years later, people, I don't know how many people
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: I've spoken to who've discovered that show in more recent times.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: It doesn't happen very often. Used to have more sleeper hits, maybe.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: Like Shawshank Redemption was a flop. And then years later,
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: people knew about it.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that until later.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: I think it was on VHS that it. And there
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: used to be heaps of VHS hits.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: It was a great movie too. I don't understand why.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: I think it was in competition with a bunch of
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: different crazy movies at the same time.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: I think it was like one of those weird months
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: where everything came out.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, it's great.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great movie.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: It should have, I can't think of another sleeper hit
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: in recent years. Like musically, sometimes things will take a
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: while to get going. But like typically if a show
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 3: or a movie doesn't do well anymore, it's done forever.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: What, Jamie?
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. Is there?
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: I thought you made a noise.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: Did you hear something?
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: Did you see the OA?
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: Ah, man.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: It's so good. I also, it's tied up in a
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: weird time in my life where, like, we had just
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: had our first child. Like, so I had a baby,
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: and I was terrified, and I didn't know what was happening,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: and I watched that, and I felt, I could have
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: probably watched anything and had an emotional connection. I watched
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: Parks and Rec, and I cried a lot at the
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: same time for that, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 3: as deep and meaningful.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: So how long are you planning on staying here now?
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 3: I got six weeks.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: Six weeks in America? Yeah.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm doing, oh man, 40 shows in 30 days.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm going to try.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: Are you here by yourself or did you bring the
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: whole family?
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: It's just me, but I've got openers. I'm bringing openers
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: on the road.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 3: So I'm flying out after this weekend. I'm doing the
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: drive from Albuquerque to Phoenix to San Diego. And then
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: it's up and then it's over and then it's Florida again.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: So what has it been like going back to Australia?
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: When you're doing shows there, are people happy to see you?
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 3: I think I'm insufferable. I've been here, and then I
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: go back home, and I go, it's wonderful over there.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: You should see the size of the Snickers bars.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: They're like this.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 3: So for a few months, people tolerated as best they could. Yeah,
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: my audience is so different now.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: The Australian.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: The Australian audience is quite different to the American audience.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of, like, maybe because the dam
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: is breaking and, like, there's no one doing, I don't know, like,
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: less tame stuff. But, boy, the people coming out in Australia,
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 3: they're shouty.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: Shouty?
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, my brother!
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: They're excited.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of that. They're pumped up. They're ready
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: to go. They're having their 16 standard drinks for the evening.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 3: But overall, it's incredible.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: But you're getting a lot of people coming to see you.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: So they're hyped up.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: Like nothing I've ever done.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: That's really cool because the thing about Jeffries is that
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: he didn't really develop the same kind of following in
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: Australia as he did in America.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: His audience in Australia is more bogan-y. In America, he's
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: got liberals coming. But in Australia, they just wanted him
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: to do a shoo-ee. I remember when I saw that.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 3: They were brutally demanding that he do a shoo-ee.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: Brutally demanding. Do it. Do it now.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 3: I just played a club and I saw, it was nice,
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: they've started putting up all the pictures of the Americans.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: It was the Comics Lounge in Melbourne. I did that
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: the night before I left. And I got a photo
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 3: of you on the wall that you had signed and
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 3: young Tony Hinchcliffe back before he had any testosterone in
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 3: his body. And it was like a thinner Stavros and
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 3: all the Comptown boys. Everyone has been through there. Mark Norman.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: Great club.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 3: It's really the closest club to like an American club
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: that Australia has. And they're lovely boys. And I stunk
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 3: it up. I was nervous because I was coming out here.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 3: It was the night before I flew out. And I
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 3: was sure I wouldn't get in the country. I started
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 3: thinking about like.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: So it was fucking with your head?
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: I can't believe I got in. I was like, I
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 3: think my passport's falling apart. I started to have a
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: panic attack. But my visa's in the passport. So I
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 3: went to the passport office and they were like, it
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: might be okay. We don't know.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: They wouldn't give me like a firm answer. And if
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 3: I get in, I was like, I don't want to
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 3: call you and say, I'm sorry. I've been held up
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: at the border.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: Oh Jesus. Yeah.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 3: But I made it in. It's so nice being back.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 3: It is. Oh man. I'm having big feelings.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: Do you think you're going to stay in Australia? How
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: are you going to do this?
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: Try to keep hopping back and forth. Are you going
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: to try to move back here again?
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 3: This is my pop back and forth at the moment
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: is the plant. The, the issue when we came out
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 3: for that Ohio gig, um, I never decided with my
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 3: wife that we would move to America. We never had
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: a conversation about it. She came over. We were meant
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 3: to be here for three months, and it turned into
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: two incredible years. But we were homeschooling the kids. We
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 3: were not in a good position to do that. We
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 3: have no family. We tried to hire a nanny. I
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: didn't know how to fucking do that. I've never had
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 3: someone work for me before in my home. I don't
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 3: know how to communicate.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: That's odd.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 3: And then getting family over here is tough, but I
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: would like to, I'm looking at how one does that.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 3: But it's like a whole, I understand why when people
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: come to America, like when immigrants come, you go to
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 3: a neighborhood full of people like you. Right. You know,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: and you get your cousin over here and his cousin.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: Because you need, you can't be like alone. You've got
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 3: to have family, especially Ken. And for me, I was thrilled.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I like the fraternity of being a comedian
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 3: is unbelievably strong. Every problem you have, people know about it.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: You know, if there was a club that was screwing
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 3: me and everyone in the green room was like, yes,
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: and her name is Julie and she's a fucking cunt,
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever, like, I feel you feel known and
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 3: heard and people can help you and you mesh in. But, like,
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 3: in terms of raising kids and family, it's wild. As
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: an immigrant, not knowing how to, like, are the schools safe?
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't know because people talk about public schools in
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: America and they go, The kids will get shot or
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 3: they'll chop their dicks off. I don't know. Something for everybody,
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 3: you know? Or like then there's nice Catholic schools, but
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: you've got to like travel around. We were over our heads.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: There's quite a few Catholic schools in Austin.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: Some of them are great.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 3: I did a deep dive on them before. I'm trying
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: to figure it out what it would look like, but
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: So is your wife willing to try it again?
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She's got to learn how to drive.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: That's it?
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: She's got to learn how to drive.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: That's the big holdup?
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: In Austin, that was a big problem for the last
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: year and a half.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: Driving's not that hard.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: I keep saying it. I keep saying it. but she'll learn.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 3: I believe in her. We'll figure it out. She's happy there.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 3: And also, I have beautiful friends.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: She's happy. Where's there?
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 3: Sorry, in Adelaide. And I said this. I struggled to
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 3: find a parish here. I struggled to find a church.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 3: And I've realized that's very important for me. But if
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: I don't have my, like... I love my priest. There's
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 3: something about immigrating that is bad for the... Do you
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Even though Australia has so many problems,
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: there's something inside of me that is an Australian person.
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 3: And America is maybe the most welcoming country to immigrants
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: in the world. But I do feel some sense that
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 3: I'll never get to be an American.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: Why not? America's a melting pot.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's melting very slowly.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of chunks in there that haven't blended
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: in with the other parts of the pot.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: Bullshit.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: You don't think so?
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: You fucking pop over here and you start doing arenas,
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: you'll feel American as fuck.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: Sometimes. It's just a matter of you achieving a financial
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: level of success that's commensurate with your talent. That's all
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: Sometimes when the flag is going and the fireworks are
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: popping off in the sky, I think I'm going to come.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. But like in my heart.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: Dude, you can.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 3: I see the ego in my mind.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: If you started doing really well out here, you'd fit
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: in really well. And every time you do podcasts, every
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: time you do specials, every time you put something out
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: on YouTube and do Kill Tony, it all just compounds. Like,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: that's why I was telling you, like, this is the
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: terrible time for you to leave because you're literally on
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: the launching pad. I know. And you look at how
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: guys like Shane went from, you know, being– respected comedian
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: in New York to being a fucking giant national talent
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: after the SNL stuff. It's just about being good and
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: getting the message out there. And if you're good, people
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: love comedy. They'll find you, man. They'll embrace you.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to cry. You were really lovely to me
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: when I had to go and the things you said
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 3: about me and how, anyway, I won't go into it.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 3: I can't. I've had one glass of whiskey now, and
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: if I talk about my emotions and whatever, I've got
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: to stop.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: Well, you're really talented. And it's not often in life
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: where someone gets to find themselves in a position like
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: you were in, where you were being embraced by all
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: these very successful other comedians that were willing to help you.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 3: So all these.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: Podcasts you go on, it was just a matter of
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: time for you where you took off. It was a
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: matter of time. You were right there. And the talent
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: is the most important thing. The most difficult thing is
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: to be good. So once you get past that, then
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: it's just about letting the world know, well, this is
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: a really good time to let the world know.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 3: The magic of getting to like, I did three sets
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 3: last night and two sets the night before. And I
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 3: just like, something.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: Is exciting, right?
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 3: You just have a little idea at the first one.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 3: So I changed that a little bit. And then the
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 3: game of it starts again. And I'm very happy right now.
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: It's like, I get, I honestly, I get to do
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 3: it even just every night for the next month, month
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 3: and a bit. I get to do like one or
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: two hours every single night and spots around town all
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: this week. Yeah.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: You're going to have a hard time going back to
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: Australia staring at those fucking kangaroos. Yes, I am.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: It'll be fine.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: So do you think that you could envision a scenario
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: where your wife would be open to try it again? Yeah. Okay.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: But I don't know when and I don't know how
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: it will work. And I do love Adelaide. Like when
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 3: I'm there, I have some sense of being at home
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 3: that is profound. Like I look up at the sky
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 3: and I feel like there's a roof over me. Like
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 3: in a comforting way.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: Like you belong there.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: But it's also maybe the worst place to develop as a,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've had great standups come out of there
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 3: and I love Adelaide and you know, and there are
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: people running rooms, but like we don't have a club.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: We don't have a club. We don't have one club going.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 3: There's a city of 1.4 million people and there's no,
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 3: we have a, we have places where they do comedy,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: but in terms of like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, early show,
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 3: late show, lineup shows, 10, 15 minutes. It's not there.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: But do you have enough talent to support a club?
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 3: It comes in waves in the way that any medium
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 3: level comedy city, like all of a sudden it'll build
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 3: up and there'll be great people and then they'll all
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: go to Melbourne, Sydney.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 3: And I will say that's been one nice thing about
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 3: Australia not letting talent come through for so long. And
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 3: also the UK declining is I now know heaps of
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 3: people who've come to America like after me and just
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 3: before me. And there are heaps of Aussies flooding into
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: this country now. Amos, my best friend Amos Gill just
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 3: got passed at the cellar and I'm so like, I'm
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 3: so proud of him.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 3: He's just gigging all the time and he's getting to,
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: he just recorded a special in Denver.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: And it's like, Blake Freeman is doing well and all the,
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 3: I get all these Aussies hitting me up and go,
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 3: can you get me into the mothership? And it's like, well,
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 3: not you, but you know, maybe some other ones.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: That's the problem, right?
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know how many I've put on in
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 3: front of Adam on the Mondays, but I've had to stop.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You can't, use up that currency on people that
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: don't deserve it you know.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 3: Because you want to help people but you can't.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: They have to be ready and they have to put
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: in the work there's a lot of people that think
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 2: you're going to provide them with a shortcut and they
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: really haven't prepared properly yeah and they haven't put in
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: the work to get to that point we had a
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: few of those guys come from la that were like
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: their careers had floundered horribly in la due to laziness
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: and sure fill in the blank And then they tried to, like,
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 2: restart themselves in Austin. I'm like, no. Like, you can't
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: half-ass this thing. This thing is hard to do and
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: there's too many people trying to do it all the way.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: We're flooded with people trying to do it all the way.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: If you think you're going to come over and half-ass
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: it because it's, like, this new place and now it'll
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: be exciting again and they don't know you.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: Like, we fucking know you.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 3: But I think people don't love it. People love the
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 3: thought of being good at it.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 3: And being respected. But, like, when I... I got to
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: open for Mark Norman in Australia, which is how I
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 3: met him. And he'll do, you know, like a 2,000
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: seat theater early show and then the late show. And
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: then he'll go, what else is open?
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 3: Take me to the open mic with six people in
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: it now.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: Well, that's New York.
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 2: New York. He's got a great documentary that they just released.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 3: It was such a good idea.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: I was furious.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do that with women.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: This is sort of you only have women in the
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 3: audience or you only have one kind of person.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: No, you're not. Not that documentary? I apologize. No, it's
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: a documentary about him getting ready for a special. So
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: when he's getting ready for a special, he's working out
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: the jokes at all these different places and showing how
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: he goes up at the stand, then he goes up
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: at the cellar, and then he travels and talking about
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 2: the development of all these bits, about how the bit
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: came together when he added this new line. And so
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: it shows him working all this stuff out on the
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 2: way to doing this special in Boulder.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't mean to interrupt. I didn't know about that.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a new one. He just put it out
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: like 14 days ago, maybe.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 3: Do you know the other show that he's done?
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other show with all the Wokies
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: in the audience. Yeah.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 3: How many shows is he doing?
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's an animal. He's got incredible work ethic and
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: constantly writing.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: You've seen his pile of notes? Yes. That he keeps
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: in his pocket?
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 3: He does not have a folder.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, you're going to break your back.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: You can't sit on a rock like that.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: He's siphoning through them.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 3: But he really loves it. He wants to be doing it.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 2: Did you find that Norman thing? It's pretty cool.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 3: Does the bit work out and get into the special?
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not just a bit. It's a lot of bits.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 2: But it's like him showing what the behind the scenes
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: is like. Showing him rushing from one club to go
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: to another place to do a spot. Checking the lineups. Okay,
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: I can do this and then I can leave here
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 2: and go down the street and then be back for
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: the 10 o'clock show. It's really interesting. Because especially for
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: people that don't know what it's like, so there is
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 2: Pushing Boulder is what it's called.
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's long. It's a proper documentary.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's really good, dude. And for a comic,
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: you know, it's really fun. They catch him in the
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: toilet in the beginning. Like he's in Boulder, Colorado.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is what every hotel room looks like
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 3: on the road.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: It's great because it shows you what it's really like.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 2: And if you think it's easy, like you think you
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: get to a guy like Mark Norman's level, that he's just,
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: you know, no big deal, easy. No, no, that guy's good.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: constantly grinding. He's constantly going out and writing and tweaking
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: and it's in his head. Yeah. And he's talking about
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: it in diners. He's sitting in a bodega, having a coffee,
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: going over his notes. It's really cool because it's, that's
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: the real process.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 3: What's the willingness to be bad again, which is no
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 3: one wants to do that. No one wants to have
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 3: a special come out and have to start again and
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 3: have to suck like that. Jerry Seinfeld comedian documentary is
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 3: the perfect cat. I mean, he, I mean, they're both
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 3: still doing it. What's the other guy's name?
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: Orny? Yeah.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: Did you know Orny?
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: I did not. Orny Adams.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 3: He does not come across great in that documentary, but
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 3: he's still out there.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like they did that to him on purpose
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 2: to make Jerry more likable. That's what my impression was.
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's why they picked him.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 2: I felt like they decided to pick a guy who's
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 2: like way less likable and it makes Jerry look great.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the ending is pretty.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: Especially at the time, because he's a young guy at
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: He's really new to comedy. I mean, he wasn't doing
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: comedy that long.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 3: And then the final scene is Cosby, right?
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 3: He just loved the work. I think Cosby's... Is he
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 3: not touring anymore?
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: He's out.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 3: He's retired?
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: He's out of jail. They let him out.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: Did you see the.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: But he's blind now.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, he can still get up. I'm sure he
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 3: can still throw down.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 3: He did a round of gigs just before when the
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 3: trial started. But the allegations were out. Did you see that?
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 3: He was doing crowd work.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: About it. I knew he was doing it. He was?
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: He was doing crowd work?
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a line that came out. I don't think
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 3: anyone got a recording, but people wrote it down. That
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 3: he was... He's riffing with the crowd, and a lady
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 3: gets up and goes to the bathroom, and he says,
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 3: You going to wait? Watch your drink! He gets a
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 3: big pop.
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He still got it.
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's a crazy thing to say. He probably.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 3: Was doing bad stuff, but still.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. I would say. I had heard about
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: that in the 90s. I heard about that on the
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: set of news radio, and I was like, what?
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 3: The drugging?
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that he drugged women. I heard about it in
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 2: the 1990s. I couldn't believe it. I was like, what?
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 3: Bill Cosby? Was this widespread? People knew about this at
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 3: the time?
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 2: People in Hollywood knew. Actors. So actors. It was an
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 2: actress that actually told me that, that Bill Cosby drugs women.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 3: But then everybody who had him on like a Tonight
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 3: Show or a Late Show or was doing a fun
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 3: interview with him must have heard.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, I'd have to know into
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 2: their world.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 3: Do you think Jerry would have heard that before having
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 3: him on the.
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: People heard about it at a certain point in time.
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 2: It's whether or not they believed it. Jury orders Cosby
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: to pay nearly $ 60 million to ex-waitress after finding he
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 2: abused her in 1972. Holy shit.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 2: 1972.
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 3: Have you seen his Facebook page?
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 4: What?
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: He's got a Facebook?
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it was while he was in prison. They
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 3: were still updating it, and it's a very pro-Cosby. There's
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 3: like Team Cosby that's still trying to keep the reputation positive.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of delusional people out there.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 3: I think they're on the payroll.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: They've got to be. Could be. I mean, he still
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: probably has a lot of money. The Cosby show was
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: a tremendous hit.
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 3: The records are great.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: They were great. Yeah, I mean, he was a great talent.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 3: Also- He's probably doing some raping.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: Probably doing some of that.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 3: Quite a lot of raping.
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, quite a bit.
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 3: Although the way they, I read something about the case
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 3: where they got him and they put him away, but
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't finish, like I've never found it again. So
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true, but it's what I
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 3: read about the evidence that they had to convict him.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: Where he was drugging, his defense was that he was
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: drugging the women, but it was consensual and they knew
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  Speaker 3: they were there for a drugging. That was, I believe
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 3: his defense. I think I'm getting this right. I think
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 3: I'm remembering this correctly. And there was a lady and
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 3: the way they got him was that he, she got
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 3: pneumonia afterwards because he did the drugging and then he
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: left her on the couch without a blanket on a
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 3: cold night. And, uh, she said, if we'd been in
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 3: a relationship, he would have put a blanket on me.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: But I've always thought that that was maybe only in
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 3: a relationship. Would you have the resentment to not put
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 3: a blanket? I don't know that that would decide it
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 3: either way, but it was a weird, His defense wasn't
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 3: that he wasn't there and hadn't done it. He was like, yeah.
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe there was so much evidence that he did
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: it that they had to come up with something clever,
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: like neither confirm nor deny. They had to work their
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: way around it.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 3: That I was drugging women unconscious?
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: They wanted to. They knew that's what the fun game was.
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 3: But he got out, right?
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he got out because he paid a
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: woman off. And so there was some sort of a
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 2: deal where he paid a woman off And part of
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: the deal of him paying the settlement was that he
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: can never be tried again for this.
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 3: It's like double jeopardy?
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay. So it wasn't a criminal conviction.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 2: It was a civil conviction.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: And so then he was tried for it criminally. And
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 2: so I think that's how he got off. He got
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: off because his lawyer argued that the settlement of the
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 2: first– here, we'll see it here. Immunity agreement. That's it.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: So it says Bill Cosby's defense successfully overturned his 2018
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: sexual assault conviction in 2021 by arguing that a prior
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 2: prosecutor promised not to charge him. rendering his incriminating deposition
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: testimony inadmissible. The defense led by Jennifer Bonjean argued that
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: using his testimony violated his rights, framing the prosecution as
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 2: a violator of due process.
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 3: Using his testimony violated his rights.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: Because it was part of his willingness to testify was
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 2: that he couldn't be prosecuted for it criminally. Yeah. Whatever.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 3: That's spooky.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's crazy. It's just crazy that this guy
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 2: did this for decades.
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 2: It's not like there's a story of one weird night
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 2: where someone woke up and had a headache and go,
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 2: I think this motherfucker put something in my drink. No,
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: it was decades. And it was also like he joked
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 2: around about it in the Cosby show, like using a
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 2: special barbecue sauce. Did you use my special barbecue sauce
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 2: that gets everybody horny?
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't know about this.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 3: I knew about the Spanish fly joke.
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 2: That was a bit, yeah, about Spanish fly. And he
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 2: also did that bit, I believe, on The Tonight Show.
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 2: We talked about it. He talked about on The Tonight
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 2: Show giving people Spanish fly, like giving people a drink
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 2: that would make them horny. But there was an episode.
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 3: A special horny barbecue sauce?
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a special barbecue sauce
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 2: that would make people horny on The Cosby Show.
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 1: Look at this.
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 3: Well, it certainly is nice to see them work things
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 3: out for themselves. Yeah, man.
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 4: Anything out for themselves it's my barbecue.
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 3: Sauce oh gee your barbecue sauce.
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 4: My barbecue sauce haven't you ever noticed after people have
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 4: some of my barbecue sauce after a while when it
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 4: kicks in they get all huggy buggy oh stop i'm
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 4: dead serious haven't you ever noticed that after one of
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 4: my barbecues and they have the sauce.
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 3: People want to get right home.
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 2: It's the music.
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 4: I got a cup of it up on the night table.
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, Bill.
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 3: I got a cup of it, I said.
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 4: Left it up there breathing. Why don't you give the
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 4: chicken to these people that's going up and have some sauce.
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 2: So here's the rest of the chicken, you guys. Creepy, right?
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 2: That was his move.
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 3: That music was not part of the original Cosby shot.
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 2: I wish it was.
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 2: It would have been great if it was.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 3: I had never seen that before.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 3: My special barbecue sauce.
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 3: There was the Seinfeld episode where he drugs a woman
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 3: so he can play with her toys. Am I getting
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 3: that right? Is that true? Yeah, there's an episode where
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 3: there's some sort of sleeping medication.
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 2: And he gives it to her so he can play
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 2: with her toys.
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 3: What kind of toys does she have? She has figurines
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 3: and collectibles that he wants to play with.
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want her to know?
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 3: He date rapes the woman. He doesn't have sex with her.
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 3: He gets her unconscious so that he can play with
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 3: her figurines. I think that's the secret date rape Seinfeld episode.
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 3: Am I getting that right?
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 2: The drug. Jerry uses food with high tryptophan, turkey, or
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: medicine to make her drowsy, which he brags about doing
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 2: multiple times. Wow. He's obsessed with playing with Celia's pristine toys,
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 2: including an original G.I. Joe and a Mattel football game. 1997.
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 3: Special barbecue sauce is.
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 2: Creepy as fuck.
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 3: I want to sample that and wrap something. He's also.
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 2: I know. The whispering. Yeah, I didn't like it. Makes
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 2: me uncomfortable.
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, the man's got time. We've got to say,
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 3: the man, the delivery is unquestionably... Well.
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 2: He's got a lot of practice in saying things like that.
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 3: I wonder if he's not still on the road. He
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 3: can't still be.
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's doing anything. I think he's probably
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 2: in hiding.
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 3: He's like a 95-year-old man.
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 2: He's a 95-year-old man. I think he's at least partially blind. Yeah.
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 2: And obviously a pariah.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 3: Did you ever watch the last Jimmy Fallon set that
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 3: he did?
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 3: He rides around on his back.
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 2: On Jimmy Fallon's back?
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 2: Okay. Why would Jimmy Fallon agree to that?
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't know that he did. I mean,
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Fallon's up and about. He's having a nice time.
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 4: Pfft.
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 3: You know, he's a jovial man, but I think he's,
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 3: it's something, yeah. I remember, and then it was like
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 3: weeks later.
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, so Jimmy Fallon's riding on Bill Cosby's back.
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not having.
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 2: That's even weirder because Bill Cosby's really old. I'd be like, bro,
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 2: what if your knees give out?
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe he was saying that he was strong, but I
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 3: think that was just before it came out.
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: Epic piggyback ride.
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 3: Because it was, I think it was Hannibal Buress who.
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 2: This is 2023? No, that's just when they uploaded it.
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 3: It would have to be.
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, 2014.
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 4: 2014.
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 2: We got to wrap this bitch up.
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 2: I love you, buddy. It's great to see you back.
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for having me. Do a set tonight? Yeah,
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 2: let's do it. Let's fucking go. Instagram, what's your handles?
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 3: JDF McCann, the James Donald Forbes McCann catamaran plan. Big podcast.
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 3: Very small podcast.
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 2: My man. Thanks for having me.
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 3: My pleasure.
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 2: Bye, everybody.