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Hour 1- Child's Play · The Ben Maller Show

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Speaker 2: Welcome.
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Speaker 3: It's our number one, our number one, and let the
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Speaker 3: fun begin. On this Tuesday, the twelfth day of August.
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Speaker 3: So here in our number one, John Gruden, John Gruden,
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Speaker 3: he has won a round against the NFL in court.
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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on these latest developments. We'll get
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Speaker 3: into the nitty gritty on that. Also, where does the
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Speaker 3: NFL go now to avoid being publicly panched by the
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Speaker 3: old Bucks and Raiders coach John Gruden in this legal case?
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Speaker 3: And what kind of package deal could get the old
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Speaker 3: NFL coach John Gruden to take a settlement from Roger Goodell.
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Speaker 3: We'll cover all all of the downs right now here.
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Speaker 3: It is our number one.
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Speaker 2: A case of child's play.
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Speaker 3: the show right now is this? We react to this?
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Speaker 3: What is this? If you did not hear, maybe not,
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Speaker 3: maybe you're not following the Nevada court system. But it
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Speaker 3: turns out that a Nevada court has cleared the way
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Speaker 3: for a lawsuit that goes back not one, not two,
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Speaker 3: not three, but four years. Go back to the year
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. A lot of craziness, a lot of
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Speaker 3: people wearing masks and not going out and weird stuff
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Speaker 3: going on. But in twenty twenty one, there was a
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Speaker 3: lawsuit filed by John Gruden. Now you know that is
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Speaker 3: that's an old NFL coach, John Gruden, he coached the Raiders. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: so John Gruden file lawsuit where a court Nevada has
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Speaker 3: announced that that lawsuit now can proceed against the National
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Speaker 3: Football League and Commissioner Roger the Dodger, Goodell Roger, the Dodger,
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Speaker 3: who normally dodges these type of lawsuits. Now, that suit
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Speaker 3: alleged that a malicious and orchestrated campaign was used by
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Speaker 3: the NFL to destroy John Gruden's career. You might remember
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Speaker 3: the NFL famously strategically leaking all the emails that he
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Speaker 3: had sent, including the things that hit all the big ones, racism,
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Speaker 3: misogynistic activity, homophobic comments, the big three right there by
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Speaker 3: John Gruden and all the emails that were strategically leaked
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Speaker 3: by the NFL.
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Speaker 2: That's the claim.
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Speaker 3: So the Nevada Supreme Court, that's right, the Nevada Supreme Court,
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Speaker 3: did they cover area fifty one. Also, they ruled five
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Speaker 3: to two. What even close? Five to two was the ruling.
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Speaker 3: And they said that the arbitration clause in the NFL
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Speaker 3: constitution is let's just say non kosher, that's my term
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Speaker 3: for it. But it does not apply to John Gruden.
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Speaker 3: They claimed as a former employee, that Gruden was not
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Speaker 3: an employee of the NFL at the time the emails
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Speaker 3: were sent. There for he is not under the bylaws
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Speaker 3: of the NFL. Now Gruden, his lawyers react to the NFL.
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Speaker 3: Their lawyers they declined comment on this particular rule, did
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Speaker 3: not comment, did not comment. John Gruden's lawyer say that
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Speaker 3: this will help quote hold the na fell accountable. Okay,
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Speaker 3: so let us discuss the question for the esteem panel.
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Speaker 2: John Gruden.
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Speaker 3: Certainly this is a win, whether he wins the final battle,
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Speaker 3: this is a win at this point for John Gruden.
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Speaker 3: He wins this round. John Gruden winning this round against
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Speaker 3: the NFL in court. What are your thoughts on these
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Speaker 3: latest developments the Supreme Court of Nevada siding against against
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Speaker 3: the NFL and in favor of John Gruden. So I've
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Speaker 3: got the Jenga tower, Morgan Spurlock and cosplay and we
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Speaker 3: will combine all of these things together and put a
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Speaker 3: billboard up that says who hurt you?
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Speaker 2: Because every time I drive one by one of those,
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Speaker 2: I just want to laugh. I just laugh. I just chuckle.
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Speaker 2: I do uh.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, So my first thought on this and the latest
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Speaker 3: developments is the plot thickens.
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Speaker 2: Do do do do?
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Speaker 1: Do?
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Speaker 4: Do?
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Speaker 2: Do do do?
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Speaker 3: It's finger byting time. It's finger byting time for the NFL.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 3: I did send some correspondence out to people that work
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Speaker 3: in that world. They don't seem too concerned. They don't
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Speaker 3: seem too concerned. It's that hubris of the NFL. Wow,
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Speaker 3: we'll ultimately win this. It's just going to delay the inevitable.
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Speaker 3: So I would argue, though there is some finger biting
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Speaker 3: going on because you don't know what you don't know,
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Speaker 3: and for right now, with worry about right now, this
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Speaker 3: is a seismic shift the NFL was not counting on
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Speaker 3: to the world order of the National Football League. John Gruten,
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Speaker 3: the guy who they tried to have disappear from the
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Speaker 3: face of the earth, is back. Yeah, and he's got
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Speaker 3: a for now, a wrecking ball, a wrecking ball in
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Speaker 3: his hand. It's like a Hollywood special World's Collide, World's collide.
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Speaker 3: You got the little guy, the disgraced former hero John
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Speaker 3: Gruden who comes back from the dead, comes back from
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Speaker 3: the dead, and now now he's got the villain, a big,
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Speaker 3: big football, big NFL on the ropes. It's if you
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Speaker 3: combine like Rocky and then you're throw in some sopranos
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Speaker 3: in there.
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Speaker 2: It's got a little bit of that, a little bit
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Speaker 2: of that.
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Speaker 3: Roger Goodell is in danger of getting the bitter taste
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Speaker 3: of his own medicine. Like the NFL tried to erase
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Speaker 3: John Gruden and now Goodell. You think there's anything in
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Speaker 3: his emails? You think Goodell sent any text messages that
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Speaker 3: might be considered I don't know, racist or misogynistic or homophobic.
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Speaker 2: Anywhere along the way.
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Speaker 3: I'm just asking, I don't know, maybe not. He's perfect,
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Speaker 3: He's the archangel. He would have never done anything like
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Speaker 3: that at all. The reason I bring that up is
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Speaker 3: because the discovery phase will be a hum dinger, a
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Speaker 3: hum Most knowledgeable people who have looked at the case
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Speaker 3: will tell you that it is more likely than not,
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Speaker 3: based on the prepondence of the evidence, that the NFL
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Speaker 3: leaked to hand picked, handpicked friends of the NFL that
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Speaker 3: are in that New York bubble, the Wall Street Journal
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Speaker 3: and the New York Times, the emails. Now, now Gruden
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Speaker 3: gets to go into discovery at this point, this is
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Speaker 3: where we are. He's gonna go in discovery and see
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Speaker 3: what skeletons ure he can find in the closets at
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Speaker 3: the NFL. And they have really big walk in closets,
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Speaker 3: I mean massive, And the whole wing of the house
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Speaker 3: is a closet and they man, is that a big closet.
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Speaker 3: They can go in there and snoop around. And so
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Speaker 3: at this point, Gruden not just knocking on the door.
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Speaker 3: He's not knocking on the door. He's got the keys
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Speaker 3: and he's gonna he's gonna have all the lights on, turnable,
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Speaker 3: all on, go through everything. And it's not just about
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Speaker 3: John Gruden and some dirty emails. This is about the
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Speaker 3: entire power structure of the NFL. And that's why this
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Speaker 3: is so fascinating. This f's everything up. They for years
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Speaker 3: have had a choke hold on anyone that dares fight them.
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Speaker 3: And this is a look behind the curtain. If it
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Speaker 3: goes the way it's going right now, where John Gruden
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Speaker 3: can reveal a lot of warts, a lot of interesting
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Speaker 3: imperfections in the NFL world. And so the Nevada Supreme Court,
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Speaker 3: in so many words i'll sum it up, told the
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Speaker 3: NFL you cannot be both the judge and the jury.
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Speaker 3: That's essentially what they said. That's how I interpret it.
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Speaker 3: You can't have your sock puppet Commissioner Roger Goodell arbitrayed
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Speaker 3: a case where he's one of the defendants in the case.
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Speaker 3: That's not how you do this here. And it's so simple,
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Speaker 3: yet it is so beautiful at the same time. I
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Speaker 3: don't know what your position is. My position is. It's simple,
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Speaker 3: it's logical, and it's beautiful. It's kind of like in
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Speaker 3: some shady neighborhood boxing match and you find out that
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Speaker 3: you're watching the boxing match and it just turns out
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Speaker 3: that the referee in the boxing match happens to be
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Speaker 3: the uncle of the fighter who won the boxing match,
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Speaker 3: Like just a coincidence, you know, it's just a weird thing.
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Speaker 3: So the league's very bedrock, the very bedrock of the NFL,
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Speaker 3: is built on this, and so they do whatever they
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Speaker 3: want whenever they want in NFL circles.
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Speaker 2: And if you don't like it, and you want to
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Speaker 2: go to.
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Speaker 3: Court and all that stuff, you can take it to
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Speaker 3: their little kangaroo court and they always win.
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Speaker 2: They always win.
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Speaker 3: It's like going to Moscow and suing the government in Russia. Okay,
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Speaker 3: you can do that. You're not going to win. You're
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Speaker 3: not gonna win. And so now the whole wobbly Jenga tower,
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Speaker 3: the whole giant Jenga tower, is shaking.
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Speaker 2: A little bit. It's shaking a little bit right now.
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Speaker 3: Gruden has for now, because of this Supreme Court in Nevada,
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Speaker 3: he has kicked one of the main legs of the
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Speaker 3: Jenga tower and he's he's kind of kicked it down
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Speaker 3: a little bit. So the NFL is essentially a mob family, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, in so many words my understanding of what
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Speaker 3: the old mob was. And it's still mobs around and
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Speaker 3: all that, but essentially the mob, right, they do things,
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Speaker 3: but they don't do things by the book, and they've
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Speaker 3: got their own book there. And the great Brent Musburger
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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame broadcaster Brent Musburg you're looking live, Brent
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Speaker 3: Musburger said of John Gruden. He was the Raider radio
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Speaker 3: play by play guy at the time all this went down.
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Speaker 3: And Musburger said of John Gruden's removal as the Raiders coach,
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Speaker 3: he called it, this is Brent Musburger, a guy worked
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Speaker 3: in the NFL since.
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Speaker 2: Like the sixties.
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Speaker 3: He said, professional hit job. That's Brent Musburger. Hall of
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Speaker 3: Famer Brent Musburger said the NFL took down John Gruden
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Speaker 3: on a professional hit job by a paid assassin. Is
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Speaker 3: how Musburger said it. They didn't use the usual media goombas. Now,
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Speaker 3: the usual media gumbas are state sponsored NFL media, the
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Speaker 3: network the NFL gets sold to ESPN or anyone works
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Speaker 3: at ESPN who's in the tank for the NFL. So instead,
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Speaker 3: as we mentioned, they went to the Wall Street Journal,
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Speaker 3: They went to the New York Times, That's where they
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Speaker 3: went to. And so now the tables have turned. So
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Speaker 3: they've turned, and the NFL peeps, we would imagine we're
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Speaker 3: gonna start singing like canaries some of the people involved
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Speaker 3: in this if it gets to the discovery phase, because
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Speaker 3: emails will get exposed and text messages and they're going
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Speaker 3: to try to do the old cya cover your ass,
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Speaker 3: and that's what everyone does now. Page two. So where
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Speaker 3: where does the NFL go now? To avoid publicly being
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Speaker 3: pansd publicly being pansd by John Gruden in the discovery
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Speaker 3: phase of a court case. So what does the NFL
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Speaker 3: do here? So they have to get out the manny
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Speaker 3: and the petty. They have to give the many in
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Speaker 3: the petty discotus. That is where this is going. Next,
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Speaker 3: the NFL will file a formal appeal, which means lawyers
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Speaker 3: will get some more money. They're on retainer anyway. So
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Speaker 3: the NFL is gonna file a formal petition I guess,
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Speaker 3: not really appeal, but petition for appeal, which is an appeal,
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Speaker 3: but it's a petition for a So they're going to
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Speaker 3: file a petition to the United States Supreme Court, the
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Speaker 3: highest court in the land. And if the Supreme Court
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Speaker 3: does not take the case, and they don't take most cases,
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Speaker 3: they don't take most cases a right, or if they
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Speaker 3: do take the case and they rule in favor of
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Speaker 3: John Gruden, meaning the NFL loses loser capitalel, that means
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Speaker 3: it is on like don't get Kong. We're talking about
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Speaker 3: the discovery phase. So listen to the NFL. I mentioned
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Speaker 3: i'd put some feelers out and I just I got
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Speaker 3: the early vibe I got was Hubris. That's my word,
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Speaker 3: that not their word. But there's an arrogance that they're
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Speaker 3: gonna win in the Supreme Court and all that stuff.
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Speaker 3: The NL is not stupid. They're not smart, but they're
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Speaker 3: not stupid, and they know that the discovery phase will
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Speaker 3: be a blood bath for them and if we get there,
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Speaker 3: and so they're gonna try to cut it off at
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Speaker 3: the pass if they have to. Now they assume they're
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Speaker 3: gonna win because they'll just do what everyone does in
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Speaker 3: these cases and a massage from some politicians and.
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Speaker 2: That's how it goes.
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Speaker 3: And then at the other side of it, the other
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Speaker 3: option would be to work out of court settlement with
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Speaker 3: John Gruden a big bag of cash. I'm talking the
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Speaker 3: late Morgan Spurlock and supersize me. I'm talking John Gruden's
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Speaker 3: lawyers cooking up what do you want, John? You want
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Speaker 3: thirty forty fifty million dollars whatever you want. The NFL
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Speaker 3: is gonna pay it. You know, it's a tax for
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Speaker 3: the NFL. They'll pay it. And Gruden, you know, he
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Speaker 3: had said the quote that it keeps coming up is
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Speaker 3: he wants to burn the house down. So he's going
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Speaker 3: to tell them to shove it. You would assume, right,
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Speaker 3: I don't need your money. I got enough. Gruden's rich.
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Speaker 3: You paid way too much money to do bad television
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Speaker 3: and all that. So he's got a lot of money.
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Speaker 3: So if it's not about the money, it's about your reputation,
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Speaker 3: it's about the principle. And he was humiliated and all
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Speaker 3: that stuff, and he wants his pound a flash, And
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Speaker 3: then what's the NFL going to do? You know, he
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Speaker 3: can't settle. Gruden cannot settle, right, he can't do that.
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Speaker 3: The NFL made sure that he was radioactive. So what
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Speaker 3: Gruden could do is make Roger Goodell radioactive. There is
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Speaker 3: a scenario where Gruden, this lawsuit goes forward, Goodell ends
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Speaker 3: up losing his job as the commissioner of the NFL.
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Speaker 3: That there's definitely some skeletons there somewhere if you dig
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Speaker 3: deep enough in those nice walking closets, and you.
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Speaker 2: Can get rid of Roger Goodell.
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Speaker 3: And so at this point, John Gruden's got the league
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Speaker 3: by the balls. He's got him by the balls. And
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Speaker 3: just like the man said a famous quote, what do
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Speaker 3: you do when you've got him by the balls? You
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Speaker 3: squeeze and you keep squeezing until their hearts and minds
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Speaker 3: follow and there you go. You're on your way. Good
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Speaker 3: luck on that, all right? Now, the last word on this.
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Speaker 3: We'll put the baby to bed on this, John Gruden.
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Speaker 3: So you will get your calls if you want to
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Speaker 3: react to it, and comments and all that. But what
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Speaker 3: kind last word here? What kind of a package de leioh,
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Speaker 3: What kind of a package deal could get John Gruden
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Speaker 3: who has said that he wants and again his quote was,
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Speaker 3: he wants to burn the house down? So what kind
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Speaker 3: of package deal could get John Gruden to take a
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Speaker 3: settlement from the NFL As a distant relative of Nostre
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Speaker 3: Damis and friend of Nostradinas.
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Speaker 2: He lives in Seattle. He doesn't really react to the
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Speaker 2: show very much anymore.
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Speaker 3: But I've done the investigative work. I've done the investigative work.
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Speaker 3: So we're talking about Roger Goodell doing some cosplay in
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Speaker 3: this world that I believe in the multiverse. So in
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Speaker 3: this part of the multiverse, there's some cosplay, and Roger
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Speaker 3: Goodell he addresses up as the old Hollywood star Marlon
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Speaker 3: Brando from back in the day in The Godfather and says,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse John Gruden,
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Speaker 3: and it's about Gruden getting back in the game. The
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Speaker 3: money's one thing. Gruden not needing the money.
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Speaker 2: He's rich.
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Speaker 3: He's made a lot of money for a long time,
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Speaker 3: so he's financially set in that regard. In the multiverse, though,
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Speaker 3: you get not only the cartoon sized check for say,
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Speaker 3: fifty million dollars, that's after taxes, after taxes, fifty million dollars.
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Speaker 3: You look around. You got Pete Carroll who's beginning his
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Speaker 3: his first year with the team in Las Vegas, and
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Speaker 3: he's the oldest coach in the NFL. He clearly has
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Speaker 3: lost it. He brought Geno Smith in, who sucks as
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Speaker 3: the Raiders quarterback. So and we like Pete. Pet's you
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Speaker 3: a nice guy and all that, Pollyanna Pete. However, however,
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Speaker 3: John Gruden, what's the one thing he would love to
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Speaker 3: have more than anything. The job that he had that
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Speaker 3: he thought he was gonna have for another seven or
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Speaker 3: eight years. He signed that ten year contract to be
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Speaker 3: the coach of the Raiders. So John Gruden, with that
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Speaker 3: big creasy smile on his face from ear to ear,
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Speaker 3: cheshire cat smile, heads back to Sin City coach of
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Speaker 3: the Raiders, and Goodell can make it happen. Is Alison,
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Speaker 3: do us a solid here. We'll give you the money.
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Speaker 3: We'll get you the Raider coaching job. In fact, we'll
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Speaker 3: get you.
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Speaker 2: Whatever job you want in the NFL.
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Speaker 3: You want, what job do you want? It makes too
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Speaker 3: much sense. John Gruden returning his coach of the Raiders.
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Speaker 3: And you can see it now, the charismatic John Gruden said,
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Speaker 3: by Gunes be Bygones back on the sidelines there with
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Speaker 3: Mark Davis giving him a hug. They go out to
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Speaker 3: dinner at PF. Chang's and they get the orange chicken.
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Speaker 3: They have a great time. Remember Mark Davis said he
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Speaker 3: never wanted to get rid of John Grudin In fact,
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Speaker 3: if I remember Correfty doing the show and being in
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Speaker 3: the Watchdower at that time. The first email dump happened
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Speaker 3: on like a Thursday or a Friday, the John Gruden
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Speaker 3: email dump. Gruden coached the Raiders against the Chicago Bears,
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Speaker 3: and then a second a second wave of emails were
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Speaker 3: dumped because the first one didn't work. So whoever at
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Speaker 3: the NFL, in my opinion, can't sue me for my opinion.
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Speaker 3: Some of the NFL said, all right, this didn't work.
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Speaker 3: We got more email, send those out to the other
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Speaker 3: newspaper that we don't normally do business with, and you know,
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Speaker 3: we'll take down.
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Speaker 2: And that worked. The second one worked. That's it. He
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Speaker 2: was gone.
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Speaker 3: But Mark Davis didn't want to get rid of John Gruden.
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Speaker 3: He was forced to, so he can. Goodell can unforce
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Speaker 3: it and bring him back and save his own ass
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Speaker 3: at the same time, because there's stuff in those emails
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Speaker 3: for Goodell that he'd be gone and Gruden can stick
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Speaker 3: it to the NFL's here.
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Speaker 2: I'm back. What are you gonna do now? I'm back?
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Speaker 3: And of course I don't think it's a pipe tree.
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Speaker 3: I don't believe it's a piper. This is John Gruden's
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Speaker 3: ultimate revenge. So either you tear down the entire league,
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Speaker 3: get rid of Goodell and a bunch of other executives
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Speaker 3: because you release the emails, or you take NFL money
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Speaker 3: fifty million, let's say maybe it's more than that. They
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Speaker 2: Up in Vegas August twenty third, That is a Saturday,
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Speaker 3: We go and begin with John Gruden, the John Gruden
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Speaker 3: mal Monologue, Scrooge says, as a Raider fan, the Gruden
24:06
Speaker 3: story is irrelevant until he's back where he belongs as
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Speaker 3: a head coach of our Raiders. Although Gruden is the
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Speaker 3: same guy who thought Nathan Peterman was a good quarterback,
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Speaker 3: you'll probably think he can win a Super Bowl with
24:19
Speaker 3: Gino Smith. Well, if you remember Scrooge, when John Gruden
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Speaker 3: was doing Monday Night Football, he essentially gave well I
24:29
Speaker 3: think I don't think I can say what he gave
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Speaker 3: to quarterbacks, but he was very giving. We called him
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Speaker 3: knee pat John Gruden because he really made the quarterbacks
24:38
Speaker 3: feel good.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 3: I have no idea, but yeah, anyway, Late Night Drug
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Speaker 3: Tester writes in from parts on non he says, with
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Speaker 3: the Gruden case moving forward, for now, is helmet Man
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Speaker 3: going to wait twenty years before breaking down the video
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Speaker 3: of the court proceedings. We can only hope that we
24:56
Speaker 3: hear from Helmet Man with a full breakdown on that.
25:00
Speaker 3: And we can also have Bill from Korea Town give
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Speaker 3: some legal advice as well'd be great. Ferk Dog says,
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Speaker 3: admit it been the Dodgers running into the Angels in
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Speaker 3: the World Series is your worst nightmare. The Halos have
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Speaker 3: the boys in blues number scoring for this is my nightmare.
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Speaker 3: Very concerned, very concerned about the Angels. The good thing
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Speaker 3: about the Angels beating you up is you never have
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Speaker 3: to face them in the playoffs, so it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: Marked A full name guy marked the full name guy right, sinces.
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Speaker 3: I've been saying for years the NFL has been covering
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Speaker 3: up some of their dirty deeds. Done dirt cheap. Oh,
25:38
Speaker 3: I see you're quoting music network. A business model that
25:42
Speaker 3: Big Blank joined at the hip with the media can
25:48
Speaker 3: certainly spin some yarn. Well, there's no question you get
25:51
Speaker 3: in business with the media companies. You're in good shape
25:53
Speaker 3: there for sure. Femi from Minnesota, the number one uber
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Speaker 3: eats delivery guy in Minnesota, says, delivering sandwiches around twin
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Speaker 3: cities and listening to the show, he says, great monologue,
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Speaker 3: Ben justice for John Gruden, the Roger Goodell mob family
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Speaker 3: did coach bad Ben?
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Speaker 2: Any chance?
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Speaker 3: Goodell gets on the phone and begs John Gruden for mercy. Well,
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Speaker 3: we could make a movie, Fami, Why don't we make
26:20
Speaker 3: a movie that could be one of the scenes in
26:21
Speaker 3: the movie that'd be good. Mister Irrigation the legend, mister Irrigation,
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Speaker 3: the ring. We should call him ring Daddy instead of
26:29
Speaker 3: mister Irrigation, call him ring Daddy. So mister Irrigation says,
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Speaker 3: how deep can the arbitration issue go?
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Speaker 2: In other words, could.
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Speaker 3: The system be in jeopardy of being sued for the
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Speaker 3: past cases that have been illegally arbitrated in US null
26:43
Speaker 3: and void Commissioner Gruden, So as I understand it, mister irrigation.
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Speaker 3: The mean point that Gruden has is he was not
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Speaker 3: employed by the NFL at the time those emails were sent.
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Speaker 2: He was a Monday night.
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Speaker 3: Football broadcast, And while broadcasters are approved by the NFL,
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Speaker 3: you had to understand that they don't put people on
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Speaker 3: who aren't nice to the NFL and don't tickle the
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Speaker 3: belly of the NFL. However, not employees, not employees of
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Speaker 3: the actual NFL.
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Speaker 2: Therefore, that's a little bit of a.
27:19
Speaker 3: Separation point, separation point, and a nature boy answering the
27:24
Speaker 3: Call to the Wild says, what if it turns out
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Speaker 3: that Roger Goodell is the Donald Sterling in the NFL?
27:29
Speaker 2: Now that would be bad.
27:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brock writes and says, Jerry Jones, the face of
27:35
Speaker 3: the NFL is the biggest reason the Cowboys are more
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Speaker 3: popular than ever despite no Super Bowls in thirty years.
27:42
Speaker 3: That's what we call a non sequitor from Brock. That's
27:44
Speaker 3: a you're not on topic, Brock. I don't am I
27:47
Speaker 3: gonna talk about the Cowboys.
27:48
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I feel like every day I
27:50
Speaker 2: talk about the Cowboys every single day. I think you
27:53
Speaker 2: could talk about them a bit more.
27:54
Speaker 5: Ben.
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Speaker 3: You know, they are America's team and we are into broadcast.
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Speaker 2: Oh is that right? And who's the head coach of
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Speaker 2: the Cowboys right now? I'm not one guy, Jim.
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Speaker 3: Jim Jim Jim Bob Jim Bob as the coach of
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Speaker 3: the Cowboys. Supermarket Steve says, I don't see your rundown,
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Speaker 3: the Houston cheating asstro players returning to the scene of
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Speaker 3: the crime in Houston, or anything about my Yankees having
28:18
Speaker 3: those twins come to town, which pretty much guarantees them
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Speaker 3: their first series win in over a month. And uh again,
28:26
Speaker 3: Supermarket Steve is getting older, and I guess you know
28:29
Speaker 3: he's got some issues there with his uh you know,
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Speaker 3: finding the rundown. I know it's it's big tech. It's hard,
28:36
Speaker 3: Supermarket Steve. You know you're trying to put the command
28:38
Speaker 3: the can of tomato soup on the on the aisle there.
28:41
Speaker 3: It's hard to keep track everything. Let's go with the
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Speaker 3: phones and let's say hello to any meanie Mighty Mo.
28:46
Speaker 3: Let's say hello to Big Mike, who is in Sin City. Hello,
28:53
Speaker 3: Big Mike, welcome, welcome, real.
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Speaker 7: Smatched it then nice to uh get on the line
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Speaker 7: with you.
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Speaker 1: This is my topic and selective prosecution really gets me upset,
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Speaker 1: much like Aaron Brockovi and PG and E round one
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Speaker 1: when they offered nothing and PG and E attorneys go,
29:16
Speaker 1: don't you know we're worth eighty six billion dollars and
29:20
Speaker 1: ed MASKI said.
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Speaker 7: Really, we're going to go for so much more now.
29:28
Speaker 1: John Bruden is going to clean their clock financially. I'm
29:35
Speaker 1: talking Northern of a half a billion dollars easily, because look.
29:47
Speaker 7: At all the people that had a dot NFL and
29:50
Speaker 7: a dot ESPN email. They don't want to be exposed
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Speaker 7: in discovery and they can't be that.
29:59
Speaker 3: They don't want to be They don't want to be exposed. However,
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Speaker 3: you have to do. You have to factor in like
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Speaker 3: it seems like that's gonna be. Remember Colin Kaepernick took
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Speaker 3: a check and everyone said he had the goods on
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Speaker 3: the NFL too, and he took he took a hush hush,
30:11
Speaker 3: he took a payout and he went away. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: he had no good Well, people said he had goods.
30:17
Speaker 3: Don't you say he had no goods. There were people
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Speaker 3: said he had they had the goods, the whole thing.
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Speaker 3: There were text messages there too.
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Speaker 1: A B l M basket of of of nonsense. But
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Speaker 1: this is real, real selective prosecution against For nine years,
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Speaker 1: all they went after was John Gruden and his relationship
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Speaker 1: and only his emails against the Washingtons soon to be
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Speaker 1: renamed back to the red Skins and the point.
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Speaker 2: Love your all right, thank you, Mike all it's good,
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Speaker 2: and you'll be. We're in Vegas.
30:53
Speaker 3: You're gonna be there right August twenty third, you're gonna
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Speaker 3: stop by, all right, Well it's.
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Speaker 2: Good, be good to see. That's all right, Well you'll be.
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Speaker 3: I'll be holding court there, big micd in Vegas, checking in.
31:03
Speaker 3: Let's go to one who's in Pennsylvania? And one is next?
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Speaker 3: What's going on?
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Speaker 1: One?
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Speaker 2: Welcome?
31:10
Speaker 1: Hey, how's the gone?
31:11
Speaker 8: Guys?
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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's on your mind?
31:15
Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 5: I wanted to say that I'm not really worried or
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Speaker 5: concern about like the amount that brewing could potentially get
31:25
Speaker 5: in the payoffs if that happens. I was really gonna
31:29
Speaker 5: say that I'm more concerned about where the NFL is
31:33
Speaker 5: heading as far as coaching wise, people don't realize that
31:37
Speaker 5: Crudin is still a part of the old guard of coaches, Like,
31:40
Speaker 5: you know, he won a throw bolts twenty four years ago,
31:43
Speaker 5: twenty three years ago, And see a lot of these
31:46
Speaker 5: young assistants being hard, a lot of these young coach
31:48
Speaker 5: being hard, whether it's because of coaching pedigree or just
31:53
Speaker 5: new styles and dealing with the type of players that
31:56
Speaker 5: we have in today's league.
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Speaker 1: So I don't.
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Speaker 5: Necessarily think that he'll have the kind of leverage that's
32:02
Speaker 5: gonna be able to place it back in the league
32:04
Speaker 5: unless it's with literally just the Raiders. I kind of
32:09
Speaker 5: feel like he'll get that Phil Belichick treatment when it
32:12
Speaker 5: comes to that. And you know, we're on the last
32:14
Speaker 5: like of these old coaches. You know, he's gonna retire soon.
32:17
Speaker 5: Tom is gonna be out his way on his way
32:20
Speaker 5: out to throw with Pittsburgh. It's probably Peril's last stand.
32:24
Speaker 5: So I just wanted to hear what you thought about
32:26
Speaker 5: all that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean, just Gruden is older now and
32:31
Speaker 3: so that is a factor. But he's buddies with a
32:33
Speaker 3: lot of these these owners. They like him because he's
32:36
Speaker 3: you know, they watched him on television so they're fans
32:38
Speaker 3: of John Gruden and all that. Uh, the the young
32:42
Speaker 3: guard though, it is odd, like you look at I
32:44
Speaker 3: look at Mike McDaniel on the sidelines with the Dolphins.
32:47
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is the antithesis of what a coach
32:50
Speaker 3: should be. Like he's just got like the biggest nerd
32:52
Speaker 3: in the world. They put him as a coach of
32:54
Speaker 3: the Dolphins and they suck the Dolphins. So it is odd,
32:58
Speaker 3: I mean for me, but I mean, I'm getting older,
33:00
Speaker 3: twos are you look at some of these guys, I'm like,
33:03
Speaker 3: what is I mean? I don't I don't mind the
33:06
Speaker 3: the zingers that he throws out. McDaniel, it just looks
33:09
Speaker 3: like everything a coach is not supposed to be on
33:11
Speaker 3: the sidelines, Like he's a little guy, should be a
33:12
Speaker 3: ball boy or something like that. He's the head coach
33:14
Speaker 3: of the Miami Dolphins, Like, how did that happen? It's like,
33:18
Speaker 3: and it's going about as well as you would expect.
33:20
Speaker 3: He's lost the locker room. You've got Tyreek Hill. He
33:23
Speaker 3: has no control over any of the players in the
33:25
Speaker 3: locker room, and he's an offensive guru who seems to
33:29
Speaker 3: have no concept of anything else. That's going on, and
33:32
Speaker 3: it's like anything hit and miss like these the next
33:35
Speaker 3: generation like Sean McVay is part of that generation and
33:38
Speaker 3: he's done really well with the Rams and he knows
33:40
Speaker 3: what he's doing. He's you know, he's a NEPO baby
33:42
Speaker 3: football family and all that. And Kyle Shannins had some success,
33:47
Speaker 3: although has him been able to win the big one
33:49
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Speaker 3: And here we go. Former cheating a astro Alex Bregman,
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Speaker 3: now home for the Red Sox, homered in his first
35:05
Speaker 3: plate appearance as a visitor, playing in the den of
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Speaker 3: cheaters there in Houston where he won two Dirty World Series.
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Speaker 3: I'm the last player to homer in their first career
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Speaker 3: or more World Series with.
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Speaker 2: Who am I? That is the question? The answer. We'll
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36:48
Speaker 2: That's right to who am I Game?
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Speaker 3: So former Cheating ass one one thousand and two with
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Speaker 3: that hole Alex Bregman homerd in his first first play apparance.
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Speaker 3: Here was also booed, which I always amusing you know
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Speaker 3: it's like that one of the central figures in the
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Speaker 3: cheating scandals. But he's wearing red Sox laundry, so they
37:06
Speaker 3: boot him. So Alex Bregman Homer and his first plate
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Speaker 3: appearance as a visitor in the place where players love
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Speaker 3: to cheat, Houston or they won two dirty World Series.
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Speaker 2: I'm the last player to Homer.
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Speaker 3: In their first career road played appearance against the team
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Speaker 3: they previously won two or more World series with.
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Speaker 2: Who am I? That is the question? What is the answer?
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Speaker 3: Let's see does anyone know anyone at all in the
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Speaker 3: mallad militia.
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Speaker 2: Let's see. We'll check the goofy.
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Speaker 3: Answers that you all send in every day. Let's see
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Speaker 3: Ivan the Terrible in Houston who sucks up to the
37:42
Speaker 3: terrible local radio guys in Houston, says, keep booing and
37:45
Speaker 3: we keep homering. Yes, and it doesn't matter whatever you do,
37:49
Speaker 3: it is dirty. So I hope you appreciate that. Kelsey Mitchell,
37:52
Speaker 3: I have no idea who that is. That's from Shane
37:54
Speaker 3: in des Moines. He man from Alf the alien opiner?
37:58
Speaker 3: What about skeletor dude? Come on Alf? Who else you have?
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Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett guests by Shane. We've got Scottie Small's from
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Speaker 3: Scrooge in.
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Speaker 2: The Bay Area.
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Speaker 3: The Kingfish, Tim Salmon from ferg Dog Podres legend. Steve
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Speaker 3: Garvey from Mister Irrigation Day. He's wearing his Taco bell
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Speaker 3: outfit there. Brian Boitano from Robin, Minnesota. The Great Rob
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Speaker 3: met him at the Mala Meat greet we did in Minnesota.
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Speaker 2: A while back.
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Speaker 3: Peppermint Patty from Just Josh and Cincinnati, Buck Rogers, the
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Speaker 3: Old Angels Manager TV Star from Milkman Mike in Colorado,
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Speaker 2: Going with the Roger Goodell.
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Speaker 3: Jacobe Ellsbury for My Yankees against the Red Sox from Supermarket.
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Speaker 3: Steve Mike from New Hampshire is going with the Great
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Speaker 2: Do you have an answer the Ray?
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Speaker 3: Now, yes, Ben, I'm gonna go with pee wee Reese.
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Speaker 2: Is it pee wee rees?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 3: The correct answer the Duke Duke Snyder with the New
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Speaker 2: Chris? What you got man? Welcome?
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Speaker 8: Hey, thanks, I've got a little MLB kind of wanted
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Speaker 8: your opinion, and you know, it seems like you's like
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Speaker 8: teams in MLB, the top half are pretty competitive, the
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Speaker 8: bottom half just they're just kind of there. I'm kind
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Speaker 8: of curious about why that huge split seems to be
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Speaker 8: so strong, and then also may be connected to it.
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Speaker 8: In the NL, how can we be in just only
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Speaker 8: the second week of August and there's only three players
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Speaker 8: in the entire league hitting over three hundreds?
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'll do the second point first.
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Speaker 3: I thank you, Chris. So nobody cares about batting average.
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Speaker 3: All the teams are run by these same dogma, the nerds.
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Speaker 3: They don't care about batting average. They think you're a
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Speaker 3: boomer if you worry about batting average. And as far
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Speaker 3: as the teams that are good and the teams that
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Speaker 3: are bad, the haves and the have nots, teams like
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Speaker 3: the Rockies and the White Sox and the Nationals and
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Speaker 3: the Pirates, they're not even trying to win.
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Speaker 2: That's the ugly secret about baseball. They don't even try.
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Speaker 2: That's the problem.