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Ep. 322: Late Season Deer, Missing a Buck, Public Land, and other Q&A · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In This is episode number three,
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  Speaker 1: and today on the show, we're tackling listener questions on
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  Speaker 1: topics ranging from how to kill late season deer, to
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  Speaker 1: identifying the most attractive food sources throughout the year, to
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  Speaker 1: how to recover from missing a deer, and much much more.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're doing a good old fashioned Mark and Dan
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  Speaker 1: Q and A podcast. We're We're in December now, we've
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  Speaker 1: been hunting for a few months. Lots of people have
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  Speaker 1: been out there, lots of emails, lots of Facebook messages,
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  Speaker 1: lots of tweets and Instagram notes, people asking what about this?
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  Speaker 1: How should I do this? What would you do in
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  Speaker 1: this situation? What do you think about? You know, my
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  Speaker 1: dad doing this crazy thing in the woods is going
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  Speaker 1: to screw it up. We've gotten so many notes like this,
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  Speaker 1: I figured we need to do a Q and A
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  Speaker 1: where we answer some of these. So I submitted kind
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  Speaker 1: of a request out to you the people, and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you got any more last minute questions, you want
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  Speaker 1: answered send them in and I got I don't know, hundreds,
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  Speaker 1: probably of these. So that's the game plan for today. Uh, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: you and me are going to do our best answer
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  Speaker 1: as many of these questions as we can, almost rapid
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  Speaker 1: fire style, so we can get to as many as possible. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff related to late season hunting, which is what's happening
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  Speaker 1: right now, stuff related to just general hunting experience, tactics,
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  Speaker 1: mental things, some funny stuff kind of across the board.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, do you have your Q and a cap on? Dan?
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  Speaker 1: Are you ready to tackle the tough questions? Yes? Um,
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  Speaker 1: but it's quite on yet that I have. I have
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  Speaker 1: the cap sitting next to me and I'm gonna put
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  Speaker 1: it on right after I take off my I have
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  Speaker 1: some questions about your book. This is this is I
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  Speaker 1: have questions about your book hat that you're wearing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is to have questions about your book hat.
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  Speaker 1: So so while you said while you you know you
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  Speaker 1: you reach out to people about the Q and A, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: send send me some questions that you have. I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: bombarded with questions about your book and I didn't even
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  Speaker 1: write it. So I tell you, I'm getting messages and
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  Speaker 1: funny thing is screenshots when people are searching for for
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  Speaker 1: that Wild Country. Um there come there's I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it is, and you're gonna you might have some
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  Speaker 1: explaining to do because I haven't really opened the book yet,
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  Speaker 1: uh and and sat down and read it. You've talked
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  Speaker 1: about it, but I didn't know if there was some
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  Speaker 1: kind of twist involved in this book that I think
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't know about. I know where this is going.
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  Speaker 1: I know you do. Um. So so when people, uh
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  Speaker 1: search for your book, there is the readers also looked
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  Speaker 1: at these books or Yeah. So if you go on
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  Speaker 1: Amazon and you search for that Wild Country, it shows
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  Speaker 1: you other books that people bought that looked at your book.
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  Speaker 1: Every yeah, absolutely absolutely. So let me just one kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuck out to me. And the name of this uh,
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  Speaker 1: this book is called Country Boys. Is the name of
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  Speaker 1: the book. It's called Country Boys. That sounds relevant. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I think, hey, uh, it's about these hard working
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  Speaker 1: boys that are out in the country and you know
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  Speaker 1: there you know, maybe wild places things like that. Let
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  Speaker 1: me just quickly read the paragraph that describes this book
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  Speaker 1: and all the other books that are related to that
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  Speaker 1: Wild Country something something about the country brings out the
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  Speaker 1: best and sexiest in a man, and country boys are
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  Speaker 1: a special breed. These tobacco chewing, cattle, rope and icons
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  Speaker 1: and temptingly baggy overalls worst in tight wranglers, ranked with
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  Speaker 1: cops and soldiers as one of the most potent symbols
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  Speaker 1: of the natural masculine male sweating and sensual not from
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  Speaker 1: the gym, but from honest, hard work and play. They
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  Speaker 1: come in all shapes and sizes and erotic potential. So
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  Speaker 1: there's you know, there's uh, there's that one, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's one called hard hats. I'm not even going to
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  Speaker 1: get into that one, Okay, So just to let you
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  Speaker 1: know that what I'm getting part I'm I'm getting messages
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  Speaker 1: about upon messag just about me having to give you
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  Speaker 1: ship on podcast about what is wild Country really? Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, I started getting some messages like two, that's
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  Speaker 1: some pretty funny stuff. I can't explain the Country Boys
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  Speaker 1: one other than the title, But I can't explain if
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  Speaker 1: you if you search on Amazon or if you look
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  Speaker 1: on the Amazon like for the regular book, there's a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of like romantic lusty books suggested as similar
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  Speaker 1: books to read based off of what other people looked
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  Speaker 1: at it. And I do think I can explain that one.
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  Speaker 1: At least. It's because that Wild Country My book was
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  Speaker 1: part of this Amazon First Reads program, which got sent
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  Speaker 1: out to this big list of people that are signed
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  Speaker 1: up for this Amazon Readers group. And my guess is
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people that are signed up for
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  Speaker 1: this Amazon Readers group must be I don't know, middle
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  Speaker 1: aged women that needs some more romance and they're life
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  Speaker 1: so they probably like romance books and they just so
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  Speaker 1: happened to also get recommended this book, um, which was
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  Speaker 1: way outside of their usual comfort zone. Probably, but it
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  Speaker 1: might also be because you might remember I had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had some interest from from companies with modeling a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago. If you remember those early jokes about
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  Speaker 1: the Avercrombie modeling gay um, which I which I didn't
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  Speaker 1: really do. That was just what someone jokingly said to me.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, pretty funny that all that stuff is
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  Speaker 1: coming up. I can't I can't fully explain the Country
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  Speaker 1: Voice one, but I think there might be a niche
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  Speaker 1: that that we're not really seeing where your next book
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  Speaker 1: could be directed towards. If just imagine, just imagine, if
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  Speaker 1: you you take this hard ninety degree right and start
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  Speaker 1: writing these sensual love novels that take place on public land.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're hitting it from both sides, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: the money comes in. Man, you're going both directions on that.
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  Speaker 1: When I get what you're saying, there might be I'd
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  Speaker 1: be a future there for me if this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: doesn't work out. I'm already envisioning the cover. You know
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  Speaker 1: you were on the cover of Outdoor Life. I'll imagine
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  Speaker 1: the cover of one of these books. Right, You're like,
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  Speaker 1: your shirt off, just sweaty, you know, your backpack on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, your bow in your hand, and then some
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  Speaker 1: beautiful woman quivering at your leg. Man, I was gonna
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna use the beginning of this podcast to
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  Speaker 1: pitch my book, But now I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: can after this whole this is this is where the
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  Speaker 1: attention right everybody's listening right now now is when you
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  Speaker 1: pitch your book. Go buy that Wild Country. Do not
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  Speaker 1: accidentally buy Country Boys, though it's a very differmpletely different book. Warning,
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  Speaker 1: completely different books. Oh my gosh, that is awesome in
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  Speaker 1: all seriousness, thank you for teeing off the conversation about
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  Speaker 1: my book, because Uh, this thing that I've been alluding
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  Speaker 1: to you for a year is about you probably remember
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  Speaker 1: for years of me saying I've got this secret writing
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  Speaker 1: project to see her writing project. Um, well, it's now
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  Speaker 1: officially officially published. Um it was out a month early
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  Speaker 1: for Amazon Prime members because of this special deal with Amazon,
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  Speaker 1: but now it's it's everywhere else. You can get the hardcover,
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  Speaker 1: you can get the paper cover even, and the audiobook
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  Speaker 1: version is out there, Dan, So if you want to
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  Speaker 1: listen to it, that is now available on audible or
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  Speaker 1: wherever else you want to get your audio books. And
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  Speaker 1: I actually narrated myself. Um so if you listen to
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  Speaker 1: this podcast and you'll like listen to me jab Iron,
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  Speaker 1: you can listen to me for almost nine hours reading
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  Speaker 1: you my book. What do you think, Dan? Would you
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  Speaker 1: want to listen to That's nine hours of you reading
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  Speaker 1: a book, nine hours of me reading to you. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Um so that's not a one day thing. Depends on
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  Speaker 1: how long your worked is. You could you could sit
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  Speaker 1: there and listen while you're working or to commute you.
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  Speaker 1: I I you sent me the book, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to read it. I don't have time. I didn't expect
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  Speaker 1: it to I'm going to I'm going to buy the
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  Speaker 1: audio book and I'm going to listen to that. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be my best shot because I
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  Speaker 1: can do that while I'm multitasking. Exactly. Listen to it
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  Speaker 1: when you're on the treadmill or driving the kids to
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  Speaker 1: babysitting or whatever. You can yell at your kids and
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  Speaker 1: don't have to find your place back in your book.
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  Speaker 1: It's just your It just keeps going. It's there. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: that is the That's the busy man and Woman's version
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  Speaker 1: for you right there on audible, that wild Country. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this in your podcast last week, which
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  Speaker 1: thank you again for having me on the show. That
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  Speaker 1: was fun. Um. If you, if anyone listening right now
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  Speaker 1: wants to get a more in depth understanding of what
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  Speaker 1: went into writing this book and the process and how
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  Speaker 1: I handle adversity and dealing with failure and self doubt
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, go listen to Dan's nine
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  Speaker 1: Finger Chronicles podcast. It was a really cool conversation I think. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll tell you in short really quick here. If
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  Speaker 1: you guys have listened over the years, if you followed me,
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  Speaker 1: you know that I and Dan care a lot about
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  Speaker 1: public land. You know that we've gone out there and
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  Speaker 1: done a lot of these things. Over the last ten years,
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  Speaker 1: I've been going out and spending as much time as
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  Speaker 1: I can out in wild places, sometimes for two to
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  Speaker 1: four months a year. My wife and I have been
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  Speaker 1: out there, camped out in public land, um hunting, hiking, fishing, camping, rafting, kayaking,
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  Speaker 1: doing all these different things. And over the last five years,
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  Speaker 1: as many of you know, given the fact we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about this in the podcast, there's been a lot of
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  Speaker 1: controversy around these places. And so as I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to wade through all this controversy in two thousand, fifteen
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  Speaker 1: and sixteen seventeen, as I was trying to understand it,
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  Speaker 1: I realized that I didn't understand how we got here,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't understand the history of these places. That I
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  Speaker 1: didn't understand the what all this uproar was about. So
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  Speaker 1: I started reading and started researching and trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: it out myself and try to understand the current situation.
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  Speaker 1: And as I did all that, I realized there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot more people out there just like me that don't
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  Speaker 1: understand this too, especially those people that don't live in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of public lands in Montana or Wyoming or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. So that's why I decided to write
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  Speaker 1: this book. It is all about the history of our
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  Speaker 1: public lands system and what's going on right now and
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  Speaker 1: what we need to be thinking about in the future.
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  Speaker 1: And I go through all that information tell that story
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  Speaker 1: through a series of my own adventures. So I write
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  Speaker 1: about a backpacking trip in Yellowstone National Park with my wife.
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  Speaker 1: I read about a shed hunt and camping trip with
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  Speaker 1: further in North Dakota. We do a pack rafting and
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  Speaker 1: fishing trip in the Bob Marshall Wilderness of northern Montana.
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  Speaker 1: We've got other hiking trips. We've got a peak bagging
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  Speaker 1: trip in Nevada. I've got a black bear hunt with
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  Speaker 1: Randy Newburgh. Um, all sorts of stuff, my my caribou
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  Speaker 1: hunt in Alaska. All that's in the book, and a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot more. Um, it's my heart and soul. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know I told you this art to Dan, but
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  Speaker 1: I've never worked on something so much in my life,
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  Speaker 1: have never worked on something that was harder. But it
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  Speaker 1: is the most fulfilling thing I've ever done. Um. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm making a hard pitch to you guys right now,
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  Speaker 1: if you've listened to this podcast, if you follow the wire,
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  Speaker 1: don't blog, if you follow me on social media, if
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  Speaker 1: you've done any of those things. I don't often ask
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  Speaker 1: you for things or pitch you hard on things. UM
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  Speaker 1: but I'm doing that today, So I hope you forgive
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  Speaker 1: me for that. Um but I'm gonna read you a
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  Speaker 1: couple of little quotes here from the back of the book.
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  Speaker 1: This one here is from Steve Ranella. You might have
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  Speaker 1: heard of this guy. He said about this book. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: groups and individuals as diverse as the nation itself are
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  Speaker 1: coalescing around the rallying cry of keep it public as
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  Speaker 1: we fight to defend the environmental integrity and accessibility of
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  Speaker 1: our public lands. Let Mark kenyans that Wild Country be
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  Speaker 1: our guiding text. Not only does Kenyan tell you why
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  Speaker 1: and how we have public lands, he also tells you
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  Speaker 1: why and how we'll keep them. Read this book and
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  Speaker 1: join the movement. There's Steve's pitch to you. My pitch
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  Speaker 1: is this is this is all I got. This is
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  Speaker 1: the best work I could possibly do. I'm putting out
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  Speaker 1: there in the world for you, guys. I really, really,
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  Speaker 1: really hope you enjoy it. I hope you'll read it.
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  Speaker 1: It would mean the world to me if you would
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  Speaker 1: pick up a copy. Um, if you would buy a
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  Speaker 1: copy for a friend or family member for Christmas. This
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  Speaker 1: is uh, nothing has meant more to me. So please,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna come right out and say it. If
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  Speaker 1: you've ever listened to this podcast and taken any value
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  Speaker 1: from it, here's your one best chance to support me
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  Speaker 1: and say thank you for all the free stuff we
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  Speaker 1: put out there. Please buy that Wild Country. And that
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  Speaker 1: is my pitch. I won't bug you about it anymore
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  Speaker 1: today at least. Yeah, there it is, Dan We I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you what. And that's that's a good point you
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  Speaker 1: made at the end. There is how many episodes of
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  Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt? Are there? Three twenty some episodes of
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  Speaker 1: this podcast? We did sixty some episodes of Wild Podcast,
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  Speaker 1: ten years worth of articles. Uh, a whole lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff out there. All that's free, right. You may have
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  Speaker 1: to listen to a couple of commercials throughout the episodes,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not paying for anything, right, So all that
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  Speaker 1: free content that you've gotten. Um, now take what's what's
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  Speaker 1: the book cost? Five bucks? Something like that bucks on Amazon?
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  Speaker 1: Right now? Fifteen and that's probably free shipping if you
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  Speaker 1: buy it off Amazon. So right there, Uh, fifteen bucks
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  Speaker 1: for multiple years worth of content. Yeah, go buy the
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  Speaker 1: damn book. There you go, audio version, hardcover version. It's
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  Speaker 1: all out there online or in stores wherever you want
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  Speaker 1: to go. So that's the book. Plug. Um. Now we
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  Speaker 1: got Q and A session daan Q, and we need
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  Speaker 1: a transition intro to Q and A podcast. I think
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, where you push a button
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  Speaker 1: on some board somewhere board, Yeah, edited in and it's
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  Speaker 1: like an explosion. It's like Q and A and then
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  Speaker 1: that's it. You know. They they have that on the
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  Speaker 1: Mike and Mike Show or Goal Looking Windo Show Now
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. I feel like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we need that Q and A. But then there should
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  Speaker 1: be an echo afterwards. So try it again. Do the explosion,
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  Speaker 1: do your announcement, and then I'll do the echo and
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  Speaker 1: then we can start Q and there you go. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Edit that end to every Q and A. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a good plan. So with that out
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  Speaker 1: of the way, questions, We've got a whole lot of questions.
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  Speaker 1: Question number one Dan comes from Alex Alex asked, what
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  Speaker 1: should you do after missing a buck? Should I go
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  Speaker 1: right back after him the next day, should change spots?
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  Speaker 1: Or should I give him a few days or weeks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm asking for a friend who just throughout fourteen years
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  Speaker 1: worth of practice and missed a buck yesterday. Years And
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  Speaker 1: that's what I said, fourteen years and only missing one.
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  Speaker 1: Dear man, it's pretty good if you ask me. I
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  Speaker 1: guess that's a good point. But what what would you say?
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever missed a buck? Oh? Yeah, dude, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: missed the buck? Bad shots. Yeah, I've done it. I've
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  Speaker 1: done it all I have to. I have been there.
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  Speaker 1: It is something like you said, just about everybody we'll
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  Speaker 1: have missed a deer or two or three. I know
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  Speaker 1: guys that have missed three times at the same deer. Uh. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to throw my buddy
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  Speaker 1: under the bus right now. But I have a friend
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  Speaker 1: who we know who missed the same buck twice this year. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So it happens. It's brutal, but it does happen. Um. So,
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  Speaker 1: what is your take on how how do you how
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  Speaker 1: have you handled in the past, dame? Yeah, So the
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  Speaker 1: first thing that you do is you watch the reaction
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  Speaker 1: of the deer. Hey, did he catch your cent? Did
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  Speaker 1: he catch you moving in the stand? Right? Because there
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  Speaker 1: are times when you miss a buck and they just
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  Speaker 1: kind of stand there and they don't know what to do. Right. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: if they don't have your wind and they didn't see
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  Speaker 1: you in the tree stand, then I think it's safe
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  Speaker 1: to go right back after him. Now, if you shank
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  Speaker 1: the shot and he's there and he's looking right at
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  Speaker 1: you in the tree, and then he runs away blowing
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  Speaker 1: and you know, then he's then you've got to give
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  Speaker 1: it some time or go attack him from a different position.
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  Speaker 1: But um, and the other thing is is go shoot
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  Speaker 1: your boat. So first identify whether or not the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the buck is truly spooked because dude, trees fall in
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  Speaker 1: the woods all the time. There's noise cracking in the
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  Speaker 1: woods all the time, and it spooks them, but then
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  Speaker 1: they recover from it real quick and then they go
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  Speaker 1: back right back into their routine. Especially if it was
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  Speaker 1: the rut, this buck is probably forgot about that shot
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  Speaker 1: in five minutes, especially if he was chasing a dough.
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  Speaker 1: And then lastly, do you just shoot your boat? Go
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  Speaker 1: and shoot your boat, Go and shoot your boat. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm right there with you. I think number one,
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  Speaker 1: you make a really good point about determining what kind
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  Speaker 1: of spook it was, So yeah, did you smell it,
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  Speaker 1: did you see you? How bad is he spooked? That's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: gonna help you determine if you should go back in there.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I would say, in general, unless you know, unless he
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: was smelling you and looking at you and you shot
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: at him all those things. Maybe if that happens, he's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: going to booger out of there for a while, especially
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: if it's early season or late season. But if it's
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the rut and you shoot at
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: him but he doesn't really know what happened, just like
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you said, you can still get a shot at him. Uh,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: maybe just shift your location a little bit, but but
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: keep after it. Um. The biggest thing I think though,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: is the mental side. Getting over the mental side of it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: So I think, um, sometimes you need to take a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: step away and just clear your head. So that might
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: mean taking a day off from hunting and shooting your bow,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: or even like my buddy he missed a deer twice
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: within a week, I think, same buck, And kind of
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: our advice to him was Hey, you know what, just
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: take a couple of days off and don't shoot the ball,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: just like step a way clear your head. Come down
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: from this. He was so upset, so just frustrated by
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: it all. Like take a little bit to just just
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: come back down to ground zero and then check your
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: bo make sure everything's shooting okay, make sure there's no issues,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: regain that confidence, and then go back out there feeling
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: good again. Um. But you don't necessary want to just
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: rush right back out there um without first double checking
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: everything and just getting your head right. So take some
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: time and shake it off. That The biggest thing, though,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I guess the final thing I'd say is is handling
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the disappointment. So I remember the last time I missed
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a buck, I was so mad at myself. I mean,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: you know you we know this very well, Dan. We
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: work so much, putting so much time. We build this
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: moment up into such a huge thing in our lives,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and then the opportunity arrives and you miss it. Everything
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: came down to this two seconds and you miss it,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: and your opportunity is slip slipping through your fingers. That
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: can be devastating. So my my perspective would be feel
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: that in the moment, you know, except like this sucks.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: This is a huge bummer, Like you're gonna feel that pain,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: in that frustration, that anger, disappoint whatever it is, feel
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: it for a moment, but then very quickly you have
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I have to move on. Like there's
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: no point spending any more time or energy dwelling on
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: what happened. You have to kind of take that shitty feeling,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: put it in a box and throw it over the bridge.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Is water under the bridge. You've gotta move on now
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: because no amount of laying in bed and thinking about
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it is going to change what happened. All you can
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: do is change what happens next. Um, we had this
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: conversation the other day on your podcast I think about
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you know, or maybe it was maybe it was an
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: earlier episode of Wire to Hunt where we were talking
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: about understanding what you can control what you can't. Well,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you can't control the deer you missed, but you can
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: control how you handle the next opportunity. So that is
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: what I would say. Yeah, and just a little quick tip.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: You know, we have range finders, I say, use them,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is it's sometimes hard
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to range a deer while it's coming in, especially during
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the rut. Right, they're moving all They're constantly moving. It's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: not like it's a food source. Some of these stam
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: locations where they just stop, the deer are moving through
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: an area. So what I always do is I am
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: active with my range fire finder the entire hunt. Right,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm ranging trees, and I'm saying, Okay, if he comes
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: um ahead of that tree, it's this yardage. If he
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: comes behind that tree, it's this yardage. And that's what
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I did with my buck this year was I ranged
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like four trees all in a row, so I knew
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: what pin I needed to use based off of whether
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: or not he walked in front of this tree or
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: behind this tree. And and then when the moment of
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: truth came, I didn't even have to use my range
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: finder because throughout that entire hunt, I was active, knowing
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and thinking about the range that these deer were moving
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: at really good point those pre pre range. As much
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: as you can and lock it into your head. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I like quiz myself, so hey, that tree is okay,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I've ranged everything. And then afterwards I try to make
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: sure I remember that spot. I remember that But I
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: remember this distance because, yeah, things can happen so fast
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in the moment you might not be able pulp your
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: range finder. And interestingly, the buddy I was talking about
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: earlier and another friend of mine, the two guys that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I know that missed bucks this year, both of those
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: situations were because of misarranging a deer and not ranging
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: in the moment. So something to keep in mind. Yep um.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Next question is from a guy named David, and he
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: says that snow just fell in northwest Wisconsin. Now what
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: do I do? Uh So, hunting in deep snow, hunting
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: in fresh snow? Uh Dan? Do you have any experience
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: in really snowy conditions? Yeah? Um so, a couple of
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: years ago we had a lot of snow during the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: late season, and I'll be honest with you, it made
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: things really easy. It's just a matter of making sure
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: these deer are coming through during shooting hours. Um. Especially
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: throughout the Midwest, there was still a lot of standing crops.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what his portion of Wisconsin is like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: but deep snow means that these deer are going to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: be using trails, and more than likely they're going to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: be using the same trails over and over and over
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: again to these big egg fields or to whatever food
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: source is now above the snow. Right. So for me,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it just becomes easier to not only locate the deer,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: but put yourself in a position because they're not taking
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: any they're not taking wide angles, they're not taking the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: long way around there. Pretty much this time of year,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: as the rut is winding down, they're going from point
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: A to point B, and they're back to a pattern.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And I think deep snow really puts them on a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: railroad track back and forth. You can learn a lot
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: with that snow on the ground. The other thing I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: would say is just thinking about how a heavy snow
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: event will stop and start deer movement. So what I've
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: seen is that during that big snow event, movement might
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: slow down. You know, if it's a blizzard, if you've
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: got a mega snow, just like if you've got a
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: huge rain storm coming through, oftentimes that will slow things
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: down during the worst of it. But very soon after
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that big snow, after everything's been bedded down for a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: day or two, now, all of a sudden, it's you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it's time to get the feedbag on. It's time to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: get out there and feeding, and especially if you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you got really cold temperatures that typically follow something like
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that in the high pressure system, probably following a storm
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: like that, those deer are gonna get on their feet
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in a big way. So if I've got a big
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: snowstorm pushed through, as soon as that storm passes and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you've got that bluebird high pressure cold day and now
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: all that fresh snow on the ground, I'm hitting it hard.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Right after that, I'm gonna go in and hunt a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: better spot um, especially during the late season. You know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: at this time of year, these bucks have been hunted
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like crazy for two or three months. So I usually
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: get more conservative. I'm switching away from my rut tactics,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: which were hunt hunt hunt, hunt, hunt, go, go, go, go,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: go all day as much as possible. Now I'm back
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to a more conservative approach where I'm just hunting evenings usually,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm being much more selective about the days I hunt,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: waiting for either a weather event like this to really
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: get deer on their feet, or some kind of intel
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to tell me that the deer or mature became after
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: is is moving. So you know a bunch of snow
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: like that would usually for maybe a green light, it's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: go time. And take advantage of trail cameras and situations
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: like that if you have them. Because you know, I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: mentioned that the trail that these deer are using, and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: from my experience, they're using them a lot. Get a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: trail camera on that trail, and even if they're coming
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: through after shooting hours, you might be able to use
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that data from the trail camera to sneak in further
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: into the timber or further or closer to a betting area.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And may we even catch them coming back on a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: morning hunt. Yeah. Another thing to think about snow too
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: as you as you're talking about the scouting benefits of it,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it also makes it a lot easier to see so
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: observation type situations where you're maybe you don't know exactly
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: where to go yet, but you can set up in
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: an observation stand with a view and when there's all
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that snow on the ground, you'll be able to see
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: much further. You'll be able to see where that deer
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: is passing through. And and so watch a time or
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: two or we're moving and hanging camera and then sit
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: back and watch other spots and then see what the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: intel tells you, then take your strike. Um, It's it's
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: back to that. We we talked about these calculated strikes
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a lot during the early season of the late season,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and and that that's where my mind is shifted right now.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Along those same lines. We've got another question here from H. G.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: A something or other and he just asked, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: do you give up all day sits in December or
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: is there still midday action? Um? I personally I kind
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of alluded to this already, but I personally switch mostly
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: to just afternoon hunts now. Um that you couldn't do
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: morning hunts, but you just better have a good route
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: in and a good way out. Um. But usually you're
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: gonna get a longer period of movement in the afternoons
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: during the late season, and it's just easier to get
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: in there. Um. So that's what I'm usually doing because
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: it's it's the stakes are higher now because these deer
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: have been hunted and hunted and hunted. They just they're
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: even more unwilling to deal with hunting pressure than they
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: were a month or two ago. So I'm just trying
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: to be as careful as possible. At this point, I'm
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: much more calculated. Um, that makes sense to you? Do? Yeah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not hunting all day anyway, but I'm
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: sure as hell not sitting all day late season. New
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: question from my question. Do toe warmers work in Alpha
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Burly Pros or similar rubber boots? Um? Or are the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: oxygen starved and don't work? Um? I'll tell you that
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I've used toe warmers in my rubber boots and they
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: seem to work pretty decent. I'm not saying they are perfect.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't sometimes cool down button general
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: on those super duper cold days when you know, I'm
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: talking like when we had those single digit days or
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: near zero in early November, Dan, I think you had
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: some days like that. That was the one time I
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: needed to bust out the toe warmers and they helped. Um. So, yes,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I usually don't need them, but every once in a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: while I'll bust them out and I'm glad I did.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: What do you think? So? I've completely changed my thought
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: process on boots this year, and it worked in my opinion.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Last year, I rocked the Alpha really Pros all season long.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: But there's something about I don't care what the brand is,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: something about a big rubber boot, especially in cold conditions
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: where that rubber is it just freezes, right, It's gonna
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: turn into the temperature that's outside eventually. And so what
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I did is I switched to the Lacrosse Atlas from
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the Navigator series they have and I think you wore
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: those boots on the the Backwater strip, right, I was
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: running the really similar ones, but the wind rows on Windrows, Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: same from the same series, the Navigator series. So so anyway, um,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I wore two pairs of socks. I put on my
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Atlas from the Navigator series. And then what I did
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: was I used boot warmers this year. So I saw
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this from uh so from a gear perspective. It's called
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Arctic Shield was the name of the company. And I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: just throw those on over top and that worked great.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And on the coldest day I put those toe warmers
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in or the handwarmers really was what they were in
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the at the end of the boot or of the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: boot warmer or the boot soccer or whatever you want
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to call it. And this year I had zero, zero
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: problems with with my feet getting cold. So I went
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: went with a less insulated boot, two pairs of socks
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: like I would have in the alpha really pros. But
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I put that boot cover on and there was one
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: day where my feet got a little uncomfortably cold, but
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: it was bearable and other than that, not one problem
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: at all. So it's something I'm gonna be doing until
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: there's something better that comes along. That's a good that's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a good tip. Um, I'll to check out those bootwarmers
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: for those arctic days when it just gets crazy cold.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting thing to look at. Man, it was.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: It was a lifesaver. And to be honest with you,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: when you have a day like that where typically I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: get out of the timber, let's just say if there's
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: no activity by ten. On most days, I was sitting
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to eleven and catching some of this, I don't know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a late morning activity. Nothing crazy, but allowed me to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: stay in the stand longer. And uh, for the guys
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that like to sit all day, it might be an option. Yeah. Um,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I'll add, if you're gonna run the rubber boots still
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: like I've got my knee high lacrosse is um my
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: one thing I would tell you there is, at least
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: in my experience, I would always rather have my boots
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: a size too big then a size too small, because
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: if you get your feet crammed in there on the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: super cold day and you can't move your toes around,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you are doomed. You're doomed, and you better make sure
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: you've you're comfortable with a nice thick wolf sock, maybe
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: even two, if you're gonna hunt in the super duper
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: crazy cold days. UM so I run. I run a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: slightly larger size. I run the sixt Graham Fincilate Alpha
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Burley pros I think they are, and then a wolf sock.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And if it gets really bad, you know, I'll toss
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: in those toe warmers and that will usually get get
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: you by. I've also heard some people I've never done this.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I don't remember where I heard it either, but someone
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: told me that oftentimes is the metal platform of your
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: stand that transfers so much of that cold up through
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: your feet. So if you put a thin layer of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: cloth or a you know, outdoor carpet on your tree stand,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: it's supposed we will keep your feet warmer. I don't know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I've never done it, but it was an interesting thing
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuck with me. Um over the years
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: is something maybe I should try someday and That's one
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: thing we talked about on the Hunting Gear podcast is
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that it is air is the best insulator. So you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: have to have some kind of fluff around your foot,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: whether that's a really thick sock. And when I mean thick,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I mean it has to be able to not be compressed. Right,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're cramming your feet, that means it's
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: compressed and there's actually less air surrounding your foot. So
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: if you if you have too many socks on, it
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: could probably be detrimental. And if your boot is too tight,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: it could probably be detrimental because air is actually what
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: keeps your foot warm. Yeah, very good point. I mean
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that's the whole thing with like down insulation, right, that's
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: creating that air of those air pockets. Um, okay, moving
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: on rapid fire question from Travis. Who would win in
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a fight between Further and Dan? Come on, man, that's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: not even fair. It's not a you know, I'm a
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: cheap I'm a cheap guy. I would probably use my
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: my kindness towards him to take advantage of him, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: when he's like I would reach for the hand to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: shake it, and then I just kicked him in his
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: dong and that's how I would win. Right, I'm kind
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of cheap. I mean in a in a in a fight,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: there's no rules, anything goes. But I wouldn't hit Further
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: because he's gorgeous. Well there you go, folks. I guess
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Further would win because Dan fell into that country boy
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: kind of love. You took the conversation that we had
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast and then you brought it. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, yeah, I think I think you would win,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Dan Um. I just think that Josh he's a little hesitant.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: He's a little bit too polite, he's too nice. He
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: takes a lot of hits and he doesn't send him back.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: So so I I knew a guy like that in college. Right.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: He's a guy he didn't talk much, and we gave
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: him ship all the time, and just gave him ship
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: until one day at snowballed and then he beat the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: ship out of a guy uh at in the back
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: of a bar and there's one guy just picking on
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: him and picking on him, picking on him, and then
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: this guy snapped. You gotta be careful for guys like
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that because when they snap, they have unlimited power and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: they're dangerous and Burger could be that guy. You're right,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: he might snap some day. Thank goodness, he's a really
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: good guy. Right. Uh. Continuing on, Cody asks chicken or
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: beef tacos. I'll let you answer that first beef, no question,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: but really the better answers venison tacos. Yeah, okay, wild game.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So after my rut hunt, my elk hunt, every year,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: we come off the mountain and we go to this
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: little um taco place and just gorge yourself on tacos
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the post elk hunt meal and I'm all for random, right.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I like beef, I like chicken, I like fish, I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: like pork, belly, I like uh all these. I like variety.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I'm a taco guy. It's like I'm a I love
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: tacos period, me too. Best tacos ever I've ever personally
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: made are from a bird that I shot down in
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Texas called Aria. It looks like an ostrich and I
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: turned those into tacos with a tripult a mayonnaise type
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of sauce with a a slaw and added I think
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: there's some like a pepper in it. Oh man, that
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: does sound pretty good money, So does that does that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: mean chicken, giant chicken. Alright, we're divided on that one. Uh,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: dum asks. Would you take a straight on shot at
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: a white tail with a bow depends on how far
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: he is ten yards, Yes, I've done it before. Uh
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: didn't work out. I mean I killed him, but uh,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: he went like sixty yards and dropped dead. He dropped
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: right as I saw him. If I was in the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: ground blind, he was just standing there, calm ten yards.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I'm confident I would shoot a deer straight if you
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: look at the opening on their body. Uh, their shoulders
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: kind of open up, and it's almost a direct line
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: into their boiler maker right from right from where the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: shoulders come to. I don't know, like where the neck
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: meets almost, but it's a relatively small zone compared to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that broadsider quartering away shot fifty fifty yards, forty yards,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: thirty yards, maybe even twenty yards. No, but if he's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: tanned inside, yes, I'll take that shot. Okay, I probably
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: would not, but I would probably be sitting there like god,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: dang it. Should have taken that shot. I wish I
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: had taken that shot. Maybe I should have taken that
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: shot if I didn't end up getting to kill that deer.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I would probably stew on it a lot, but probably
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: in the moment um I would just air on the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: conservative side because if you pull it an inch or
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: two the left or intro two of the right, either way,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you're hitting that leg bone and that's not gonna be
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a fairly hit shot. But I know certainly people do
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: it and can pull it off, but I would I
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: would probably say, if you are not really experienced or
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: very confident in your archery skills, that's one that's better
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: relegated for a wait and see situation. Um, okay, how
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: about this one. Um, well, I can really quickly touch
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: on this. Travis asked any updates on Tran. Is he
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: still alive? Um? I don't know. Acent I hunted for
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: him a couple of times the first week of guns season,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and I did not see him while I was out there, Honey,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I saw him one night glass when I wasn't hunting,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and then went out three times I didn't see him.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I have not checked cameras though since like November, but
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I've got a neighbor who got pictures of him as
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: recently as November twenty one, I think it was, So
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: he's still out there as a Then, um, I haven't
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: heard from anyone in the area that's killed that buck,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: so fingers crossed he's still around. I'm gonna start hunting
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: him again here in the next few days, hopefully a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: little bit, and uh, we'll see what happens. There is
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: one new buck that's showing up dan Uh. This is
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: this is from and this is a neighbor intil Again.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. I'm getting to know more and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: more of my neighbors. I like it, and I don't
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: like it. I like it because we're sharing information. You know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: it's good to have positive relations with your neighbors, help
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: each other out, so and so forth. Um, but it's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: also a little stressful and that now I know you
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: know how much these bucks roam around, or all the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: times that someone came really close to shooting a deer
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: or her that another neighbors saw this deer, and so
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it's almost uh, sometimes ignorance is bliss, you know. Now
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I know everything's going on. I'm like, oh, gosh, this
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: buck almost got shot. This buck got missed. Like so
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: for example, the big ten corter that passed on twice
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: this year, rb um, he got shot at and missed.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Um like at the guy grazed over his back. I
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: think it was either over the back or under the belly,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: but grazed him. Um So, he made it through another
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: shot opportunity. A different neighbors saw that same buck just
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: over the property line, didn't shoot him. Um tran was
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: seen and drawn back on by someone else, but they
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: couldn't get a shot. So I'm hearing all this stuff
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, it's taking years off my life. But
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the point being is that one of these neighbors has
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: gotten trailcra pictures of a new buck that looks definitely
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: mature that I believe I saw once last year and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: got some pictures of. But he's he's not on the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: farm at all until like mid to late November, and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: then he showed up for a little while and then
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: was gone again for the rest of the year. Well,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that buck is supposed apparently back in the area, and
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: he's just he's like an eight pointer, but either both
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of his brown times were busted off or they're just
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: like nubbins, like not even an inch tall. Um so,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: essentially just a really big six point but a big body,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: deep chest swayed back. Um So at this point. If
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that deer, that is a no brainer four plus year
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: old comes by, um, and he's also a bonus buck.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: He's not in the area. I wouldn't expect to see him,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: you know, back next year. I would probably have to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: take a crack at him at this at this time
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: now that we're in December, so maybe maybe there's two
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: bucks I would take a shot at now. So that's awesome. Man,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that's the hunting update. They're okay, continuing on I this
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: is I don't I apparently didn't write this guy's name down.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: But do you get your bucks mounted? And if so,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: shoulder or euro I do get my bucks mounted? Um?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I do both, sometimes a shoulder mount, sometimes a euro mount. UM.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I'm increasingly doing more euro mounts because my wife is
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: getting upset about us not having wall space left anymore,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and she she doesn't like these rooms packed with big
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: shoulder mountain. She thinks it's creepy or tacky or something.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: So we we disagree on some things, but she's claiming
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: now that I shouldn't shoulder mount anything, and I'm not.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not big into antler size or inches like you know.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot. That's not what I'm
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: measuring things by personally. But my wife is now instituting
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: an antler criteria on what I can mount. She doesn't
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: think I should mount anything that's not one forty or bigger. Um,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I'm telling her if I kill tran, who cares about
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the score. I've been chasing this buck for two years,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: super cool buck, I'm mountain him. So we might have
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: some knockdown dragouts over that in the future. What about you. Uh,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I'm to the point in my life where it's gonna
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: be a shoulder mount. I'm not gonna shoot it if
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm not. I don't know. I'm like
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm blessed to be where I'm at in life.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Uh in Iowa, where not only can I hunt mature bucks,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: but a mature buck typically means it's gonna be It's
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: typically gonna have a rack worth mounting, and if it
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a big rack, there's going to be a
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: story behind it, like if I would have shot, for example,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: dork this year old buck. Nothing in the rack really
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And uh So I'm to the point now where if
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I kill a buck, it's gonna get it's gonna get
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a shoulder mount. I don't have that problem quite yet.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I got about I got about ten ft left to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: play with on my wall in my house to where
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to, you know, fill it up
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: over the over the next couple of years. But once
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I reached that point, I'll cross that bridge. Yeah, that's
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a tricky bridge you have to cross my my wife's uh,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I literally have no more space in the home where
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: she's okay with a putty shoulder. I've got I've got
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: me one more spot and then it's okay, what do
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I do? Fix up my burn? Uh? Build a writer's
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: shack or something where I put mounts or I don't
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. My new office. My new
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: office sucks because it's got sloped slope ceilings and I
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: can't hang a mount in this room unless it's like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a foot off the floor. That make for a fun
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: visit for the kids up there to see the mountain.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: No more, No more kids in this room, locking the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: down new question, yes, go, Cody asks. This is a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: different Cody than the chicken or beef taco Cody Cody
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: with a K or with the sea. They're both the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Sea's Okay, all right, all right, this Cody says, do
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you think that does will blow at pushy Bucks? So
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: will does you know that alarm blow that a dough
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: will make when she's spooked. Will they ever make that
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: noise at Bucks? Or is it just when they're spooked
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: by people or something? What have you seen? Dan? And
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I've seen just about everything. Uh what's crazy is I
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: had this three year old standing in front of me
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: this this year and uh, this was before the rut
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: really got rocking and rolling. And I think that Bucks
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: are so used to doze blowing that it's almost the
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: boy who Cried Wolf scenario where they just unless they
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: can identify the problem there get they almost ignore them.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: They they don't put their head up. They'll look around
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: it may it's may. Hey, maybe I should scan the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: area and see what's going on. But I've seen does
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: blow so often and the deer the bucks almost ignore them. Mhm.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I I don't have that answer the question. No, I
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: mean I think what I get what you're saying, and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I wish I think that is that's got to be
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the case in some situations because because it happened so much,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: if they freaked out all the time they heard these
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: does blowing? Your right, they wouldn't do anything. Um. But
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: whenever I hear a dough blow, at least when I'm
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: in Michigan, especially if it's you know, getting towards prime time,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: just always think like, once that alarm sounds off anywhere,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: that one while old Bucks gonna say, well, there's a
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: chance there's something out there. I'm at least he's not
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: going to go out to somewhere like an open transition
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: or a field or something like that. He's probably gonna
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: play it safer for the next twenty minutes maybe. Um.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: But to the specific question about will does blow up
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Pushy Bucks, I hadn't seen that personally until just recently,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: um this year. Actually, I saw that happening and had
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: another guy tell me the same thing that he's heard
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that happen often. Um. And then I was hunting on
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the back forty recently, not recently. I guess this is
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the day I killed my Bucks. So November five I
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: think it was. And you could hear this dough blowing
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: in the swamp blown, I'm blowing and blowing. I'm like,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: what is going on in there? You know? Did the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: coyote running there and spook this dear or what? And
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: then out runs two bucks. There's does blown blown blown.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: And then two bucks come running out out to the field,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: stop in the field, turn around, run back in there.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: And then he saw a doe running around o there too.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: So it was just a dough. I think that was
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: getting chased by these bucks and they were running around
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: chasing her and doing crazy stuff, and that dough was
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: just frazzled or sick of it or or something. Um,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: there's so many questions that I have in a scenario
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: like that. Did the dough here the buck but not
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: see him? Could she could she smell him? Because you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: obviously just walk something making a lot of noise walking
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: through the woods is going to spook, you know, spook
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that dough. And I don't know whether she was being
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: pushed or and really like annoyed, so she see, I
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: don't think deer can think like that. A deer is
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: not going I'm gonna blow in hopes that it spooks
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: this buck off my butt. Right, it's all instinctual, Right,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: they just racked to stimuli. It'd be interesting to get
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: in their heads though. Uh okay, I got a couple
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of book relay questions Here, Drew asks did you always
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: plan on writing a book or was it part of
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: your merger with Meat Eater that got the ball rolling? Um?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: The book was pre Meat Eater. This is an idea
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: that I started thinking about back in two thousand and fifteen.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't do the whole meteator thing until two thousand eighteen. Um, So,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: as I alluded to earlier, I started. I can't remember
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: exactly what it was, but at some point I decided
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that the next thing I wanted to do my career
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: was write a book. That was this next challenge I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to try and take on. I think I was
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: telling you about this, dan Um. We were talking about
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes in your career you feel like you've
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: plateaued or things kind of stagnate. And whenever I feel
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: that way, I always try to find what's the next
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: thing I can try, What's the next challenge, what's the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: next step. And so for me it was okay. I
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: absolutely love books, I love reading, and so because of
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: that it made sense that I wanted to try writing
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: one too, And so so I started this whole idea
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: around two thousand and fifteen, and in two thousands sixteen
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: and early seventeen got really serious and trying to do
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: all the surrounding work that leads to a book getting published.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: You've got to get a book agent. You need to
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: then put together this big book proposal, and then you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: and your agent need to go and then try to
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: sell that book proposal to a publishing company. And all
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: this takes a whole lot of work and a whole
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: lot of time. Um So, finally I got a book deal.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: In the fall of two thousand and seventeen, I signed
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: my book deal, and I didn't merge with Media until
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the next spring. Um So this is a premedied but
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: they have certainly been really supportive of it and a
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: great help. And I gotta give a big thank you
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: to Steve Rinella because he was really helpful and kind
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: of giving me confidence to do the book. Because because
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I actually sat down one time, oh this is years ago,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: this is like two fourteen maybe, and was drinking a
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: beer with him, talking about you know, his career in
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: my career, and he I told me I want to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: write a book someday, and he kind of asked me,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: do you have any ideas? And I pitched a book
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: idea to him, which wasn't exactly the book I ended
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: up with, but it was the precursor to this, and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: he said, hey, that's actually a pretty good idea. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: he then helped me make some connections and pointing me
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: in the right direction for how to get started, and
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: lo and behold, it all worked out. Um. So that's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: kind of the cliff notes version of how the book
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: came about. It was years and years and years of work.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: But but here it is. Someone else asked here, sticking
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: on the book topic, Oh where is it? Where is it?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Where is it? Matt asks if the caribou hunt from
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the book is on Meat Eater, and it is. The
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: last chapter of my book is about that Alaskan caribou
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: hunt with Steve, And that is in season seven of
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the Mediator TV show, which is on Netflix right now. Um.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's episode thirteen and fourteen. It was a
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: two episode one. Um, definitely check it out. It was
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've heard the story, Dan, It was a
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: hell of an experience and uh really was a life
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: changer there for me. So check that one out. Someone
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: else asked where the cover picture was shot for the book. Um,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: and that is from Grand Titan National Park, which is
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: one of my absolute favorite places in the world. Um,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: My wife and I have rented a cabin out there
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: several different times for months at a time, and we
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: actually got engaged on top of a mountain just outside
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of the National Park too, so it was pretty special.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: At the cover of my book could be this place
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that's got a special place in my heart as well.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Um moving on, Moose something other Moose says or asks,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: would Dan be able to sing Garth Brooks's song much
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: too Young to Feel This? Damn Old? Can you sing
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: that for us? Dan? I don't know. I don't think
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I know that one. I mean I I know it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I know the song, but uh, it's something like I'm
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: much too old to feel this. No, I'm must and
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get it right. We should get young
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: to feel this damn Oh it's something like that. Yeah,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I know the song. Does it resonate with you? Uh?
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: The one that resident The Garth Brooks song that resonates
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: with me is about the young kid who goes to
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: work on a wheat field. Um, and then the lady
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: who runs it, who's the one who like sort of
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: like takes advantage a young man had some experiences like that.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Oh man, Um, Christopher, No, we're gonna move on to
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the different Okay, here's one from Adam. He asks, other
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: than your old man or a child of yours, who
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: would you love to share a tree or blind with?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I think it would be cool
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: to share a tree stand or a ground blind with
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: someone who I I kind of look up to, but
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: not necessarily who wasn't a hunter. Um Like, I've had
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: this notion. My dad's never been hunting other than some
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like some pheasant hunting back in the day. I'm I
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: would like to maybe get him out turkey hunting or
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: something like that. I think that would be cool. You
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: know that story that you shared, uh about your dad.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was on my podcast or
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: your part podcast a while ago, but I think I
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: just have this notion that I want to get my
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: father in law or my dad out and do and
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: uh doing some hunting. From from that side of things,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: but from a celebrity side of things, or someone who
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: it's just would be cool, would be um Bo Jackson,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the football player. Dude. When I was young, I thought
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: that dude was god like, uh, and I'm a huge
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders football fan. I won't say huge, but that's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: who I follow, Uh yeah, Oakland Raiders. And it was
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: because Bo Jackson played on that team. Well you know,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: he's a big hunter, yep, And that's that's why I
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: would like to go hunting with him. But jeez, you
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: should try to get him on the podcast. I've tried, dude,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I've tried. He's hard to get ahold of them. Yeah,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I guess so, huh um, interesting, I never knew you
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: were Raiders fan. Um, well, my answer would be I'll
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: give to number one. I would love to uh hunt
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: with my grandpa again because I would just love to. Yeah,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I just wish my grandpa was around now to see
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the kind of things that I'm able to do now.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, it all kind of happened because of him.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: My earliest hunting experience and memory was sitting in the
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: blind with him when I was like five. Um, in
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: the summer, we sat in the ground blind and watched
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: this group of seven does come walking out in front
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: of me at like ten yards and that's the first
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: dear experience I remember. Um, And so to be able
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: to come full circle and hunt with him again now
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: as an adult, I wish I could do that, um,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: because he passed away kind of right when I was
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: starting wired to hunt, right as I was entering this
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: new phase of of life in my career. And I
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: think he would really get a kick out of out
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: of seeing where things are now and and and just
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to get to share that would be cool. As far
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: as a celebrity or somebody um Man, it would be
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: it would be cool to go back and hunt with
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: one of these historical figures, one of these folks that
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: were so influential with um getting us to where we
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: are now as far as a hunting community, as far
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: as having wild places still. So somebody like Theodore Roosevelt
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: or Aldo Leopold or George Burg Grinnell Um, one of
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: those huge influencers would be really interesting to spend time with.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: And just he would was like or Lewis and Clark.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: What about Lewis and Clark or one of those old
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: one of those old explorers or trappers. I know you
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and me talk about this a lot when we talk
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: about hunting out west or going out west, and you
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: come over these hills and you see some huge wide
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: mountain valley and I can't help but always wonder what
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: was this like two hundred and fifty years ago? How
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: incredible must it have been to come over this and
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: see thousands or millions of buffalo spread across the horizon. Um,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I'd love to sit down and talk with one of
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the guys that actually sell that. That would be That
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: would be pretty cool. Another thing I often think about
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: is you know hunting for how you know hunting, how
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: we do it? Not necessarily for subsidence, but for like
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: fun compared, No, we we hunt for fun, right, everybody
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: like with all a bunch of stuff food, substance and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: fun and experience and yes, yes holistic thing right. But
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: back in the day they needed to hunt for survival,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: right a long time, nothing but survival. So it would
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: be cool too if you had a time machine to
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: go back and like you read these stories about how
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the Native Americans would run bison off cliffs. I think
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: that would be intense to see that. Yeah, I mean
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it was all about protein acquisition, no matter how you
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: had to do it, which is yeah, just the history
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: is crazy. Um, that would be really interesting. Here is
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: one from Justin, and Justin asked a question that I've
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: gotten various versions of from a bunch of different people,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: which is what my thoughts were on switching from a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: finger release to a back tension release like the silver back. UM.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: A lot of people have wondered what I thought about
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: using it this year? Did I use it on a
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: deer on actual hunt, etcetera, etcetera. Um, So yes, I
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: used it all this year, and I did use it
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: while hunting, including killing the wide eight. UM. So I
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: would tell you I'm a big believer and it it
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: really has helped me. Not saying I'm perfect still, um,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: not saying that I even execute that shot on the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: wide eight absolutely perfectly. I probably could have taken a
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: little bit slower, but it forces you to go slower
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: than you would otherwise, and I think that helped me
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: put a better shout on that deer. I double lunged him,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: had a good odd. He you know, ran a hundred
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and twenty yards and died right there. And what I
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: like about this is that you can't draw back, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: then as soon as that pin hits the vitals, you
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: can't just punch that trigger right away. It forces you
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: to add another step to your process. So now I
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: had to draw back. I just settle in the vitals,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: and then I couldn't hammer it. I had to pull, pull, pull,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: and then it releases without you forcing it, and that helped,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: and it helps a lot in shooting just in general too.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: So one of the things that I started having problems
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: with when my target panics started getting really bad was
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: that I was struggling to shoot with like other people.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: So I could. I could shoot fine behind my house,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: just me, but then when I got a bunch of
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: buddies watching me shoot, then that target panic showed up
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: and I would hit the trigger before I really wanted to.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: And so now I switched to the silver, back to
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: that back tension release, and it takes that pressure to
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: push the trigger away from you. I could just go
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: through the process pull back, and then then I just
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: focused on aiming, and I just slowly had my shoulder
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: squeeze and then it goes off. There's just not that
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: ability to lose control of it. So my one year
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: in high level review is so far, so good. I'm
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: gonna keep on using it. Um I'm a believer, dan Uh.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I know you've gone through release issues, questions, You've switched
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: around a little bit in the off season, um, high
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: level play a stick with what you got going next year,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: or you think about changing. You know, I'm still thinking
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: about it. I'd love to get into back tension, um,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: but that means a whole new bow set up. I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: mean as far as I need a longer draw length
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: on my bow, and I'm still thinking about it. I had,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: you know, all this drama that I had with my shot.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: This it was I figured it out what it was.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: It was my site. Uh and on these sites they
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: have you know, left right up down right, but on
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: the site that I had, it also had a pivot,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: a center pivot. Well, what I didn't notice was that
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: that line was off. So at forty yards I was
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: dead eye. But on let's see, on twenty and thirty,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I was high right, and on uh, fifteen sixty I
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: was low left, so that pivot was off. And so
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: when I realized that and I tightened my screws back up,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I was back to being dead eye. Dick it. I
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: just I didn't notice it until honestly, right before I
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: went on my vacation. Well that's a good thing. I
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: had to tighten the bolts real tight and didn't have
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: any more problems with it. Um, interesting, Yeah, it's funny.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes those little gear things can really screw you up,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't pay to either take the time to
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: double check all your stuff, or if you're not terribly
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: experience with archery gear and accessories, go to a good spot,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: a good archery shop where they can set you up right,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: make sure it's all there, because really, all the little
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: tiny things can make a huge difference. Here is another question,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: double two questions kind of from two different people somewhat related. Um.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: We had a question here from Skeeter who asks how
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: do you stay motivated when the hard work isn't paying off?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna tack onto that question from someone
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: with a handle inches from success who explained that, uh,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: this guy lost two deer during the season and now
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: it's just burned out and struggling to deal with it
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and stay motivated. How do you combat this? So how
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: do you deal with burnout or when things aren't paying off? Daan, man,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time since I've been burnt out,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: and I just kind of changed my mindset to where like,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: isn't this what we love? Right? I mean, back in
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: the day when I was hunting twenty thirty days out
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: of an entire year. Um. I think what really kept me,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: got me back in the game was to take a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: day if you need it, taking a morning off if
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you need it. Um. But I just keep telling myself that, dude,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: this is what I love. If I if I could
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: be in a tree stand right now hunting, I'd be
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: in a tree stand right now hunting. I just I
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: haven't felt the burnout in a long time, and I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: think it's because I changed my mindset on that. It's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: not the deer that's dead at the end of the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: season that matters. It's about the process, the journey, right,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: That is the grind. And I think once you can
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: learn how to love that part of it, then everything
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: else just comes easier. Yeah, very very true. And that's
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: that's probably exactly what I would say. I certainly do
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: get burnout sometimes still. Um. But it all ends up
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: to me or comes down to having a mental reset,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: answering those exact questions in my own head. This is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: this is fun, this is what you love. You know,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: you don't worry about the end outcomes so much. Get
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: back to just enjoying the process. Get back to just
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: enjoying sitting out here in the tree tonight and just
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you know, who knows what you're gonna see, have fun.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Just seeing some does have fun. Just seeing a couple
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: of year and a half olds or whatever. I mean,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: growing up, that was the coolest thing in the world.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: And I don't ever want to find myself being all
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: upset and disappointed about that just because I didn't see
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: the one buckum after. And I'm not saying I sometimes
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: do get, you know, frustrated with things like that, but
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get better mentally, resetting and remembering that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: all these experiences are are special and worthwhile, and enjoy
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: it because someday you're not gonna be a hunt or
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: someday the season is gonna be done and you're gonna
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: wish you were out there hunting um. And then finally,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I will absolutely echo what you just said, which was
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: take a day off, take a morning off. I used
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: to be go go go, don't take any breaks, never surrendered,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: work harder, don't complain, just just balls to the wall,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: push through it. And there's a part of me that
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: still says that, but another part of me has also said,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you're all supposed to enjoy it. You're also going to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: be a lot more focused and and and have you
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: to be out there if you take a morning or
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: a day to get your mind right or get your
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: family time right. And we spend a bunch of time
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: talking about this the other day on that RUT Recap podcast.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Um so maybe this is a little bit of our
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: own personal evolution, or we're getting older, we're becoming parents.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but definitely definitely changing there.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: And I think, just just remember how lucky we are
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: able to do this. That'll help you a lot too, right, Right,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what I don't know what his
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: scenario is, right I. I we we share our scenarios.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: It's hard to know what everybody else's scenarios. Like. I mean,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: throw a curveball at yourself that sometimes and change things
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: up so drastically that you know, hey, you know I've
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: been hunting this stand for thirty five years. Well maybe
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: you should hunt this a different stand, or or move
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: to a different part of the farm, or just try
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: something so crazy that gets you thinking, It catches you
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: off your feet, it makes you have to think again,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: as opposed to going to the same tree, standing the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: same pinch point every single year, just just try something different.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. It's a good that's a good idea,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: And not only will that make it more exciting for
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: you in the moment because it's something different, but it
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: might also be the thing that helps you have success too,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: because you're out of your typical rut, you're out of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the usual that these deer probably know what you're doing,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: So it makes a lot of sense. Two more questions, Dan,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: then we gotta wrap it up. Ah, Well, one's question
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: wants a story. Micah asks when should you hunt green
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: food sources versus grains? Um? Uh, let's simplify it more.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: How do you determine what the top food source will
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: be at any given time? You know, when you're trying
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: to plan where to hunt or trying to think about
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: what food source deer are gonna be relating to where
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: you're at. Um is a type of day, is a
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: type of weather, as a time of year, conditions, blah
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. How do you go about figure
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: out or trying to guess what types of food sources
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: de you're going to relate to. Yeah, that's a that's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: a tricky one because I think deer or like people.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Everybody likes different things at different times a year. Um,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: but it's all about what's available. So this year, you know,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I went out and I tried you know, typically I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: go out and I try to shoot a doll right
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: off the bat and you know, right right at the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: beginning of the rut, and that tells me poke a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: hole in their stomach. After you've got it, you can
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: see what they're on. Some do your have corn some
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: deer have greens. Just depends on what's available. My my
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: buck had only a corns in his stomach, So that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: tells me right there that this buck probably didn't visit
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: a cornfield very often. So I try to stay away
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: from what the food source, like what I think the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: food sources and hunt more of the terrain features and
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: the betting areas and things like that. So for me,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: food source unless it's late season, doesn't impact my strategy. Yeah,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: it's interesting, and we've talked about this difference in our
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: circumstances a lot in the past. You know, you've got
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a situation where your strategy focuses much more on that
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: big timber stuff and the cover, while you know, on
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: one of my Michigan properties here, I hunt a lot.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I don't have almost any of that. I'm almost stuck
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: hunting nothing but food sources and the edges of them
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: simply because of what the property consists of. So I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: am really having to focus on which one of these
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: food sources are they gonna hit at a given time. Um.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: So for example, this year, on this property I've got
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: and this is the first TI I've ever had this,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I've got three different food sources on the property hunt.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I've got a cut bean field, now I've got to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: cut corn field. And then I've got my food plots.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: So those are green plots. That's a mix of braskas
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: and oats and clovers and stuff like that. So I'm
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: having the same debate myself, are they gonna I've gotta
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: pick which one of these areas, which parts of the
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: farm I think will be the top spot on a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: given night, um, because that's gonna help me choose where
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: to hunt. Um where you know that buck might be betted,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be if it's if corn is the top thing,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: He's probably gonna betted in one of the betting areas
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: closer to the corn. If the green food sources the
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: top thing, he might be bettered a little bit closer
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: to that one. Um. Now, this could be totally wrong
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: on any given night, but if I'm trying to make
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: a prediction of where the odds are slightly higher, answering
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: this question the right way helps. Um. What I've typically
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: found is that you're gonna get better action on the
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: green food sources earlier in the season, or when it's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: slightly warmer, milder temperatures in the late season, let's say.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Um So when we've got a little bit of a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: warm up period, maybe goes into the thirties or forties
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: in December, they might be hitting your clover still or
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: some oats. Um. If it is like downright crazy cold,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: then they're gonna shift more to a grain usually. And
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I'm taking this from some of my own experience, but
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: then also a lot from other guys that have studied
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: this a bunch. Um. You know, Mark Drey is a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: guy who talks about this a lot. He always talks
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: about when it's warmer, go to grains. When it's super
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: duper cold, go to the grains. Um. And it kind
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: of makes sense because you know, when deer are really
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: needing to pack on some energy, right, they need to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: stay warm when it's deathly cold out, They're gonna go
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: for high energy, high carbohydrate food sources like a grain,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: which would be corn or soybeans. Um. When they're not
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: needed that so much, they might go and hit some
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: candy crops like oats or clover um or brassicas, which
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: brascas are green food source that can be really really
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: great in the late season. Great great, but they're kind
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: of like like I said, like an ice cream crap
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: or candy crop because they sweeten up the sugars come
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: out in those brass because once it starts to freeze. Um. So,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: so that's what I'm thinking about probably this time of year.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: The cut corn is going to be top for me
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: on those really cold, snowy days. But I'm gonna be
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: keeping an eye on that Braska food plot I've got
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: because at some point they're gonna switch onto that in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: a heavy way. And usually it's real late in the season,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: like the last couple of weeks, when there's snow on
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: the ground and it's cold, they for whatever reason in
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: this area, they switch onto it and hit it real
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  Speaker 1: hard for a few weeks. So I just have to
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  Speaker 1: kind of watch it, got to kind of scout it,
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  Speaker 1: observe it, and um, you know, can't be too dependent
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  Speaker 1: on just what I'm assuming. So something to think about
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  Speaker 1: their Um, dandy, got time for a story. Real quick, okay,
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  Speaker 1: real quick story. I gotta I gotta share because I
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  Speaker 1: alluded to this in one of my the other day
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  Speaker 1: and someone asks me, asked me, Matt said, we got
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  Speaker 1: to hear about the bathroom fail. So last year, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: you remember the hay Bell blind story, right, the poop
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  Speaker 1: blunt And I shared that story with everybody because I
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  Speaker 1: knew people needed to laugh in their lives. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: had a somewhat a different kind of experience, but a
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  Speaker 1: related experience. On Thanksgiving. I had a great Thanksgiving dinner.
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  Speaker 1: All my family was was over. We had grandparents and
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  Speaker 1: aunts and uncles and cousins and my whole uh you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's the whole family there for the great big Turkey
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  Speaker 1: Day gathering. We ate all sorts of turkey, mass potatoes, stuffing, rolls, vegetables,
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  Speaker 1: cranberry sauce, you know, the whole spread. Do you eat?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when you have Thanksgiving dinner, how do you
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  Speaker 1: approach it? Dan? Do you approach it with moderation, or
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  Speaker 1: do you say the balls of the walls? Thanksgiving, I'm
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  Speaker 1: eating everything I can stuff in my face. Mark, It's
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  Speaker 1: almost disgusting how I approach holidays and the amount of
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  Speaker 1: food that I consume, to the point where I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm Gollum from Lord of the Rings. Don't it
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  Speaker 1: puts the gravy on everything, you know like that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I'm I'm I'm hip checking my grandma
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  Speaker 1: out of the way. I'm in the fridge before it's
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  Speaker 1: even set out on for everybody to have. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just disgusting. So I am, I am, I am,
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  Speaker 1: I'm disgusting. Okay, Well, I'm glad we're on the same
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  Speaker 1: page there, because I am the same way. So I
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  Speaker 1: had that kind of Thanksgiving dinner, and then, of course,
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  Speaker 1: right you're sitting at the table afterwards, chit chatting with
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  Speaker 1: folks and you know, having a good old time reminiscing,
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  Speaker 1: telling stories, and then I felt that feeling, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that feeling um, and I had to go take care
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  Speaker 1: of some business. So I went and I tried to
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  Speaker 1: take care of some business upstairs in the bathroom and
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  Speaker 1: flush of toilet and you know, things didn't go the
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  Speaker 1: way you want them to go. The toilet didn't flush, right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to keep this as pg as we
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  Speaker 1: possibly can. Don um So, oftentimes, as you might have
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  Speaker 1: experienced in the past. I'm guessing you've plugged a toilet
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  Speaker 1: or two in your day, um so, as as as
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  Speaker 1: you might know. Right, usually it might not unplug after
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  Speaker 1: the first flush. But what you gotta do is you
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  Speaker 1: gotta wait till the water goes down, and then you
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  Speaker 1: flush a second time and then plunge while it's as
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  Speaker 1: it's flushing, and then it will go Have you experienced
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  Speaker 1: that in the past. Yeah? Ok, yeah, So so this happens.
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  Speaker 1: I plug it, I plunge it. It's not working. I
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  Speaker 1: flush it again, and I'm like, okay, you're gonna plunge
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  Speaker 1: it as it's flush in the second time and you'll
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  Speaker 1: clear it. And so this happens, and the water just
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  Speaker 1: keeps coming and coming and coming, and my entire families
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  Speaker 1: downstairs and the water keeps coming up further and further.
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching. I'm like, it's gonna stop. It's gonna stop, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna stop. And then I realized it's not stopping,
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  Speaker 1: and I grabbed the rug off the floor and throw
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  Speaker 1: it into the bathtub. And then I see the water
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  Speaker 1: start pouring over the top. And then I see everything
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  Speaker 1: in the toilet bowl rushing out of the toilet, going
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  Speaker 1: all over my parents floor in the bathroom. I run
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  Speaker 1: out the door of the bathroom, run to the other bathroom,
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  Speaker 1: grab a bunch of towels, while everybody is downstairs in
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  Speaker 1: the living room kind of looking up like why is
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  Speaker 1: Mark running up the stairs across the whole area. Had
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  Speaker 1: to run into the bathroom again, throw down towels, trying
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  Speaker 1: to soak up everything, trying to keep it from getting
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  Speaker 1: to the carpeting, trying to stop the water. Had to
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  Speaker 1: I realized you can turn off the water on the toilet.
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  Speaker 1: Took care of that and completely overflowed a completely crap
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  Speaker 1: filled toilet on Thanksgiving Day with my whole family downstairs. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and that was my Thanksgiving I had that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what else to say about it. The fact that
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  Speaker 1: I did get unplugged eventually, you, but not until we
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  Speaker 1: had to like sithon out some of the toilet bowl wire.
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  Speaker 1: I had to throw away like four towels of my parents, UM,
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  Speaker 1: and I spent like an hour disinfecting. Yeah, the other
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  Speaker 1: day Mac clogged a toilet and I kind of shook
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  Speaker 1: his hand and said, welcome, welcome to the first step
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  Speaker 1: in being a man, buddy. It's that's a write of
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  Speaker 1: passage for any young man. I feel like you calogged
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  Speaker 1: your first toilet. You know, it's like a learning moment, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's like, all right, but here's what you do. Take
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  Speaker 1: the back off, pull up on the thing, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: yell for dad, you gotta take you know, turn the
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  Speaker 1: water off, and then you know it's just it's stepping stones.
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  Speaker 1: Yes see, I didn't tear out the water off. That's uh,
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  Speaker 1: live and learn, Dan, and learn Dan. So with that,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a lot more questions we didn't get to cover.
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  Speaker 1: But um, we'll keep we'll keep tacking. We'll keep tackling
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  Speaker 1: the apart two. Uh, any final thoughts, Mr Johnson, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta go pick my kid up from school, all right,
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  Speaker 1: get out of here and go pick up your kid
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  Speaker 1: and uh we'll chess him all right. Thanks man, gotta
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  Speaker 1: go yep, sorry, yeah, no worries by And that is
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  Speaker 1: a rap for episode three three. Thank you all for listening.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you in advance. For all of you who are
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: picking up a copy of That Wild Country, I appreciate
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: you hearing out my little pitch on the beginning. I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: really appreciate your support. UM means the world, so thanks
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  Speaker 1: for that. That's the luck in the woods, and until
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  Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to Hunt.