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Bigfoot Encounters in the Hoosier National Forest · River City Mystery - Investigating mysteries in southern Indiana, southern Illinois, and western Kentucky

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  Speaker: I grew up in a very rural area
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  Speaker: growing up, and I mean, I can I
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  Speaker: can track I mean, that's
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  Speaker: something that that's, that's
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  Speaker: the type of outdoors person I
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  Speaker: am.
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  Speaker: This I don't know what this was.
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  Speaker: I, I've, I've heard everything you can think of.
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  Speaker: This was nothing I'm ever accustomed to ever.
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  Speaker: You're listening to River City
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  Speaker: Mystery podcast, the show that
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  Speaker: delves into the Evansville and
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  Speaker: surrounding Tri-State area's
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  Speaker: mysteries, including unsolved
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  Speaker: crimes, murders and
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  Speaker: disappearances.
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  Speaker: A show that isn't afraid to jump down the rabbit hole to
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  Speaker: investigate reports of local hauntings, sightings of UFOs and
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  Speaker: cryptids, among other paranormal phenomena, with your host,
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  Speaker: co-founder of the Humans of Evansville Facebook page.
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  Speaker: Law office worker by day.
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  Speaker: Insomniac researcher of the unknown by night Matt Deig.
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  Speaker: Welcome to episode fourteen.
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  Speaker: We're going to be talking about
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  Speaker: a topic that I have found very
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  Speaker: interesting and have been
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  Speaker: looking into it's encounters of
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  Speaker: Bigfoot or Sasquatch, whichever
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  Speaker: you prefer.
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  Speaker: In the southern Indiana area, particularly around the Hoosier
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  Speaker: National Forest region.
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  Speaker: According to the Bigfoot Field
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  Speaker: Researchers Organization website
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  Speaker: at bfro dot net, there have been
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  Speaker: multiple sightings and
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  Speaker: encounters of Bigfoot in that
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  Speaker: region recently.
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  Speaker: For instance, in twenty eighteen
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  Speaker: in Martin County, which is
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  Speaker: northwest of the Hoosier
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  Speaker: National Forest, the northwest
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  Speaker: section, there was an encounter
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  Speaker: a visual encounter in twenty
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  Speaker: eighteen.
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  Speaker: In twenty twenty, in Washington County, along the Knobstone
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  Speaker: Trail near the Spurgeon Hollow Lake area, a couple had an
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  Speaker: encounter where they heard loud tree knocks while they were
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  Speaker: hiking along the.
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  Speaker: Not the Knobstone trail.
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  Speaker: And I know it's easy to think in
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  Speaker: southern Indiana that there's
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  Speaker: there's so many people around
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  Speaker: that.
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  Speaker: How could there how could such a population of such creatures
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  Speaker: exist out there?
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  Speaker: A few years ago, I did a two day overnight hike on the Knobstone
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  Speaker: trail, and the entire time I was on this trail, I didn't see
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  Speaker: another human being.
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  Speaker: So there are areas out in that
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  Speaker: part of the state that are
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  Speaker: pretty remote.
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  Speaker: And who knows what's out there.
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  Speaker: So after I took that hike, I that kind of changed my mind on
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  Speaker: how much open space there is in this state and how, how things
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  Speaker: could possibly be out there that we just don't know about.
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  Speaker: I had the opportunity to speak
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  Speaker: with a couple of people I met on
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  Speaker: Indiana Bigfoot Research
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  Speaker: Organizations Facebook page
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  Speaker: recently.
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  Speaker: In June of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker: Angela had an encounter while
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  Speaker: driving on Interstate sixty four
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  Speaker: eastbound from Evansville to
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  Speaker: Louisville.
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  Speaker: And this is her story.
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  Speaker: I was heading out to Cincinnati
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  Speaker: from Evansville, so I was going
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  Speaker: eastbound on the sixty four
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  Speaker: through the Hoosier National
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  Speaker: Forest.
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  Speaker: There's a place on the map, if you Google it, called Turkey Run
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  Speaker: or Turkey something.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: And it was right there because
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  Speaker: there's a very specific curve in
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  Speaker: the road.
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  Speaker: And there's a bunch of trees between the eastbound lanes and
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  Speaker: the westbound lanes.
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  Speaker: And I was going around that turn.
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  Speaker: And so you see how, you know,
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  Speaker: the whatever's just beyond the
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  Speaker: line of sight just kind of keeps
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  Speaker: rolling around that curve as
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  Speaker: you're going.
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  Speaker: And I see something really big
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  Speaker: and really black and the sun was
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  Speaker: coming up.
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  Speaker: So, I mean, there was enough daylight to where, um, if you
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  Speaker: looked at the darkest part of the trees, they're still green,
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  Speaker: you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker: So even in the deepest shadows of the trees, there weren't
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  Speaker: black, they were green.
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  Speaker: So whatever this thing was really stood out because it was
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  Speaker: so big and it was on the wrong side of the road because it was
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  Speaker: in the middle, in the median between, you know, the two
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  Speaker: sections of road.
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  Speaker: So normally a sign or something like that would be on on the
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  Speaker: right side of the road.
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  Speaker: So this thing is huge.
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  Speaker: It's black, it's solid.
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  Speaker: And I'm looking at it and I'm, you know, I'm driving along.
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  Speaker: So I'm getting closer to it by the second.
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  Speaker: And I've got, I mean, it's right in front of me and it's, it's
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  Speaker: like at least eight feet tall because I mean, your average
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  Speaker: like stop sign or something, you know, road sign, right?
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  Speaker: I mean, how tall are those eight, ten feet?
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  Speaker: Exactly.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: About that.
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  Speaker: Yeah, something like that.
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  Speaker: So and it was just solid.
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  Speaker: It was, and it was all the way to the ground.
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  Speaker: So it wasn't something that was,
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  Speaker: you know, it just didn't make
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  Speaker: sense.
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  Speaker: And I just literally and I'm knowing what I'm looking at
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  Speaker: because it's, it's shaped like a body and there's a head and
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  Speaker: there's shoulders and there's a back and a rump and a leg and
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  Speaker: it's all there.
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  Speaker: So that was amazing.
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  Speaker: And it was just standing there.
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  Speaker: It was almost like it had to have known I was coming because
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  Speaker: there was no traffic.
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  Speaker: And that was what I was wondering.
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  Speaker: Did it do you think it saw you?
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  Speaker: Oh, definitely.
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  Speaker: It had to have heard me coming.
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  Speaker: I mean, it just, you know, it just.
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  Speaker: It was like it was just waiting.
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  Speaker: I was just waiting for me to see it.
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  Speaker: And then, you know, once I was like, right up on it, it took
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  Speaker: like one step into the trees and it was gone.
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  Speaker: So you did see it actually move.
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  Speaker: So it wasn't definitely wasn't a sign or some sort of a cardboard
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  Speaker: cutout or something.
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  Speaker: You saw it like go into the to the forest.
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  Speaker: I saw it step into the trees.
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  Speaker: And so I saw it physically moving because it was there.
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  Speaker: And then I'm moving.
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  Speaker: It's moving.
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  Speaker: I'm, you know, I'm coming around the corner.
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  Speaker: It's everything's moving at once.
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  Speaker: So I see the whole thing.
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  Speaker: And then as I'm coming up on it, it's just like it freezes and it
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  Speaker: just stops and just holds still.
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  Speaker: And then as I got real close, it just stepped into the trees.
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  Speaker: So but the very clearest, you know, sight that I had when I
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  Speaker: was really close to it was the full back silhouette, you know
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  Speaker: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker: But I could not see the light
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  Speaker: through the trees in front of
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  Speaker: it.
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  Speaker: So it was really thick, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker: So like, it didn't have like a
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  Speaker: small waist or something because
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  Speaker: I would have seen the daylight
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  Speaker: in front of its belly and I
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  Speaker: didn't.
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  Speaker: So it was like really thick.
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  Speaker: And that's what a lot of the reports of Sasquatch are.
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  Speaker: You know, it's a lot of they, they always comment about how
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  Speaker: thick they are and how wide bodied they are.
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  Speaker: And yeah, I was actually looking
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  Speaker: at hunting season in India and
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  Speaker: I'm thinking, well, what if it's
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  Speaker: what could it have been somebody
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  Speaker: in a ghillie suit, but they're
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  Speaker: really I mean, it was frog
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  Speaker: hunting season.
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  Speaker: So I don't know if there's a lot
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  Speaker: of ghillie suit hunters in June,
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  Speaker: because I think you said it was
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  Speaker: in June.
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  Speaker: Is that right?
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  Speaker: My, my my ex husband is a colonel in the Marine Corps.
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  Speaker: So I know what a ghillie suit looks like, you know?
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  Speaker: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker: Not that it was black, not green or beige or anything.
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  Speaker: It was just as black as black can be.
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  Speaker: And it was at dawn.
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  Speaker: It was like, because I loved, I
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  Speaker: loved home five, five thirty in
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  Speaker: the morning, something like
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  Speaker: that.
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  Speaker: So it was probably, you know, getting to be six thirty.
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  Speaker: The sun had been, you know, rising.
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  Speaker: It was pretty, you know, it wasn't broad daylight, but it
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  Speaker: was getting there.
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  Speaker: And again, there was no traffic.
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  Speaker: I didn't see a single soul till I got to Louisville.
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  Speaker: And I want to thank Angela for sharing her encounter.
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  Speaker: Um. That's amazing.
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  Speaker: I do have links to the section of Interstate sixty four East
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  Speaker: that she's referring to.
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  Speaker: That's the Turkey Fork section,
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  Speaker: which is mile marker eighty
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  Speaker: eight.
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  Speaker: So if you go to River city
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  Speaker: mystery dot com slash fourteen,
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  Speaker: you can see the links to
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  Speaker: everything I mentioned on the
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  Speaker: podcast, including the bfro dot
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  Speaker: net reports I talked about
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  Speaker: earlier.
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  Speaker: I also spoke with Bill, who I talked to from the Indiana
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  Speaker: Bigfoot Research Organization Facebook page between twenty
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  Speaker: seventeen and twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker: He had three encounters that he told me about, and this is Bill
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  Speaker: talking about his encounters.
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  Speaker: So it started off with us hearing, um, I mean, it sounded
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  Speaker: like a classical, I mean, how of a, of a wolf, but at the end was
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  Speaker: a squeal, as if a just a wee.
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  Speaker: It was really weird.
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  Speaker: I've never heard anything like it before.
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  Speaker: I mean, I grew up in Tazewell, very rural area, hunting,
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  Speaker: fishing and I never heard.
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  Speaker: I mean, bobcats will sound like a you know, they'll they'll
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  Speaker: fight and say, hey, and you got birds at night.
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  Speaker: That will sound like women, you know, yelling for help.
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  Speaker: And there's a lot of things
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  Speaker: that, um, if you don't know
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  Speaker: exactly what it is, it can freak
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  Speaker: you out.
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  Speaker: And we would hear this and, um, we heard maybe three or four
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  Speaker: times and the first time I heard it and the rest of the times
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  Speaker: myself and my fiance heard it.
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  Speaker: So we lived literally on the white River.
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  Speaker: Um, you could throw a rock off our back porch and you could hit
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  Speaker: the white River type.
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  Speaker: I mean it, whenever it came up and flooded, we would basically
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  Speaker: be flooded in.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: So right on the river.
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  Speaker: And when was when did this happen?
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  Speaker: How long ago was this?
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  Speaker: Uh, twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: And it, uh, it was two days after opening season.
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  Speaker: And I, I just remember that because of opening season.
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  Speaker: So, um, so I go up to her
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  Speaker: mother's house, which is maybe
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  Speaker: two hundred yards up the road
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  Speaker: and, uh, we're up there talking
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  Speaker: get done.
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  Speaker: And I go to get in the truck and I turn on the truck and it
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  Speaker: lights up the hillside.
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  Speaker: And it's about a, it's a slight little hill.
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  Speaker: Um, it leads into the woods, but it's about twenty or thirty
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  Speaker: yards of nothing but saplings.
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  Speaker: I mean, like twelve year old wrist type small saplings, no
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  Speaker: bushes, just small saplings.
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  Speaker: And when I turn it on, the first thing that catches my eye is
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  Speaker: what I think is a bush.
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  Speaker: And it reminds me of a bush that's being blown in the wind.
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  Speaker: Well, there's no wind that night.
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  Speaker: And that's what the first thing I was like.
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  Speaker: My exact words was, what the fuck is this?
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  Speaker: It was my.
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  Speaker: So I'm, I'm seeing this and I
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  Speaker: know there's no there's no
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  Speaker: bushes on this, on this
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  Speaker: hillside, but I'm seeing this
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  Speaker: bush.
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  Speaker: So I wrote down the window and
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  Speaker: that's when I start recording
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  Speaker: because I'm like, what, what is
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  Speaker: this?
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  Speaker: You know, is it a bear?
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  Speaker: Because crane has like crane military base around that area.
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  Speaker: They had within the past, I think, fifteen years, they have
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  Speaker: released a total of seven bear and they've all migrated down
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  Speaker: within, um, I would say three or four miles from my house.
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  Speaker: So this is the first thing I'm thinking is, well, maybe there's
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  Speaker: a bear here.
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  Speaker: So I, I flip on my brights and I'm recording this and I wrote
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  Speaker: on the window and you can hear the dog barking.
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  Speaker: And that's when I realized that
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  Speaker: it's rocking slightly back and
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  Speaker: forth and you can clearly see
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  Speaker: it.
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  Speaker: So when someone squats, their
• 11:01
  Speaker: legs want to split out and it
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  Speaker: gives you this almost like an M
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  Speaker: type silhouette, but you have a
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  Speaker: big high point in the center and
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  Speaker: it looked like a maybe either a
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  Speaker: Fu Manchu, which sounds really
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  Speaker: funny, but like a Fu Manchu
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  Speaker: beard or a big white patch on
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  Speaker: the chest.
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  Speaker: And my heart's starting to race.
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  Speaker: I can imagine.
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  Speaker: Uh, so.
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  Speaker: And he's just rocking back and forth on the leg.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: Side, side to side.
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  Speaker: And it's ever so slightly.
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  Speaker: You can see it in the video, but it's ever so slightly.
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  Speaker: And then I realized whatever it is, is slowly scooting back to
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  Speaker: where it's getting Into the shadows where my headlights are
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  Speaker: no longer one to reach it.
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  Speaker: And at this point, I'm really starting to get concerned.
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  Speaker: I don't have a pistol or anything with me, so.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: And what time of the night was this?
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  Speaker: Oh, this was maybe an hour after dark.
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  Speaker: Okay, so it was like pretty, pretty dark.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: Because yeah, the first two
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  Speaker: things I'm thinking is bear or,
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  Speaker: you know, two days after opening
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  Speaker: season.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: Maybe it's a hunter and this,
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  Speaker: you know, decked out ghillie
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  Speaker: suit.
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  Speaker: I mean, I, I spent several years in the army, so, but this was,
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  Speaker: um, the best way I can describe it is if you like a porcupine
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  Speaker: type long grass.
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  Speaker: But when you how a grass blade
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  Speaker: when you move it and you can
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  Speaker: almost see the ripple effect
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  Speaker: like you quit moving, but the
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  Speaker: grass blade is still slightly
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  Speaker: moving.
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  Speaker: That's exactly what I'm seeing.
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  Speaker: It it was ever so strange.
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  Speaker: So fiance says, well, why don't
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  Speaker: you, you know, you think it was
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  Speaker: squatting.
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  Speaker: Why don't you go out there and.
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  Speaker: Because you can see the the branches of all these saplings
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  Speaker: and maybe see how high this is.
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  Speaker: So I go out there and I go out there and measure.
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  Speaker: And it's between five foot, five foot three.
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  Speaker: Squatting.
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  Speaker: So so that, that that's in like the seven foot range, right?
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  Speaker: So that that rules out a black bear because they don't get,
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  Speaker: they don't get that high.
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  Speaker: They, they get maybe five, five and a half, six feet.
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  Speaker: Um, and then I'm like seven foot hunter in our backyard.
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  Speaker: And then I'm, I'm thinking, why would, why, if it's a hunter,
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  Speaker: then why would you just sit there and risk the, you know,
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  Speaker: the chance of getting shot?
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  Speaker: Like it's just that's not something you do around here.
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  Speaker: And, and, and that's the thing is people typically don't wear
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  Speaker: ghillie suits hunting.
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  Speaker: They normally have orange of some kind.
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  Speaker: And, uh, so I, I, I'm, I'm kind of on the fence about that one.
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  Speaker: And I told her about it.
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  Speaker: So this, that happens without incident.
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  Speaker: I leave because I don't have the balls to get out to go over
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  Speaker: there because like I said, I'm thinking bear or I'm not trying
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  Speaker: to get into a scuffle with black, you know?
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  Speaker: And I mean, you play it out so
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  Speaker: many ways and it's like, there's
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  Speaker: only so many ways this ends
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  Speaker: well.
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  Speaker: No matter what it is.
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  Speaker: It's like it's dark.
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  Speaker: You don't have a weapon no matter what that is.
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  Speaker: It's like, ah, I'm gonna stay in my truck.
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  Speaker: Yes.
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  Speaker: Yeah, yeah, that would probably be my thought process anyway.
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  Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker: There's more things that can go wrong than can do, right?
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  Speaker: So I, uh, I ended up essentially kind of forgetting about it.
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  Speaker: And it was, uh, early to mid spring twenty eighteen because
• 14:39
  Speaker: there was foliage on the tree.
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  Speaker: I mean, there's plenty of leaves
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  Speaker: and I go up to go squirrel
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  Speaker: hunting.
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  Speaker: And this is maybe a mile, two miles up the hillside.
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  Speaker: And it's a fairly, fairly steep hill.
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  Speaker: So I get about, I refer to as a nursery of trees because it's an
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  Speaker: area they had logged out maybe ten, fifteen years ago.
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  Speaker: And I'm getting in this area and
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  Speaker: it's maybe five, six o'clock in
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  Speaker: the afternoon.
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  Speaker: It's not getting dark outside,
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  Speaker: but with the amount of foliage
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  Speaker: you have on the trees, it's
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  Speaker: starting to get kind of dark on
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  Speaker: the inside.
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  Speaker: You know, in the canopy area.
• 15:18
  Speaker: So I decide I'm going to start heading back.
• 15:21
  Speaker: So I'm walking the ridgeline and
• 15:24
  Speaker: imagine the ridgeline making a J
• 15:26
  Speaker: shape.
• 15:27
  Speaker: And from where I'm at to the end of this ridgeline is maybe three
• 15:32
  Speaker: or four hundred yards.
• 15:33
  Speaker: It's a big old giant J. So I hop
• 15:36
  Speaker: this barbed wire fence and I
• 15:40
  Speaker: hear what?
• 15:42
  Speaker: As if you take two big rocks and you just smack them together as
• 15:48
  Speaker: hard as you can twice.
• 15:49
  Speaker: Pop, pop. And I at this point.
• 15:53
  Speaker: So I'm scrolling.
• 15:54
  Speaker: I got twenty two.
• 15:55
  Speaker: So I hear this.
• 15:56
  Speaker: And the first thing I think is bear.
• 16:01
  Speaker: I'm thinking of a bear snapping its jaws.
• 16:04
  Speaker: And so I turn around and I go
• 16:08
  Speaker: from my twelve o'clock to six
• 16:10
  Speaker: o'clock.
• 16:11
  Speaker: So now I'm facing what made this noise.
• 16:15
  Speaker: But it's down below the hill side of this ridgeline, well
• 16:20
  Speaker: behind me now, which, which originally be my twelve but is
• 16:25
  Speaker: now my six.
• 16:26
  Speaker: I hear pop pop about the same.
• 16:31
  Speaker: Okay, so there are two of these things.
• 16:34
  Speaker: That's what I'm gathering.
• 16:35
  Speaker: Okay.
• 16:38
  Speaker: And I turn back around.
• 16:39
  Speaker: And I ended up recording this as
• 16:42
  Speaker: well because anything bad starts
• 16:44
  Speaker: to happen.
• 16:45
  Speaker: The best thing you can, even if
• 16:46
  Speaker: it's you run into someone who's
• 16:48
  Speaker: crazy.
• 16:49
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 16:49
  Speaker: It's got a gun.
• 16:50
  Speaker: The best thing you can do is start recording.
• 16:52
  Speaker: And these are on your these are on your YouTube channel, right?
• 16:55
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker: I'll put a link to your YouTube channel down in the show notes.
• 16:58
  Speaker: That way everybody can, can check these out.
• 17:01
  Speaker: So I'm, I'm hearing this sound and I turn around and I'm facing
• 17:05
  Speaker: my, my was originally my twelve o'clock and hearing the second
• 17:09
  Speaker: pops behind me.
• 17:12
  Speaker: He does it again.
• 17:13
  Speaker: So I'm spinning around again.
• 17:16
  Speaker: And now the guy that would have been that made the initial
• 17:20
  Speaker: second pop, that's making the fourth pop. Now he's no longer
• 17:23
  Speaker: at my six.
• 17:25
  Speaker: He would be as if I'm facing him.
• 17:28
  Speaker: He's now at my nine o'clock, so he's moved somehow over.
• 17:33
  Speaker: Unless there's three.
• 17:35
  Speaker: I can't tell you how many there were because it.
• 17:40
  Speaker: You could hear him, but you couldn't see them.
• 17:43
  Speaker: What do you think they were doing?
• 17:44
  Speaker: What were they trying to corral
• 17:46
  Speaker: you to go to a certain
• 17:47
  Speaker: direction?
• 17:48
  Speaker: Or do you think they were just communicating with each other?
• 17:50
  Speaker: Or what do you think was going on?
• 17:52
  Speaker: My initial thought was, I'm getting flanked.
• 17:56
  Speaker: I mean, that's initially what I'm thinking, because this is
• 17:59
  Speaker: not very long after I get out of service within like ten years.
• 18:02
  Speaker: Immediately I'm thinking, I'm
• 18:03
  Speaker: getting flanked, I'm getting
• 18:04
  Speaker: flanked.
• 18:05
  Speaker: So I beat feet down this hillside and I end up wiping
• 18:09
  Speaker: out, um, I hit a tree.
• 18:12
  Speaker: Oh, no. I wipe out, I lose all my ammo except for one round.
• 18:17
  Speaker: And it it felt like forever trying to find my weapon.
• 18:21
  Speaker: And it was probably only a few
• 18:23
  Speaker: seconds, but my adrenaline was
• 18:25
  Speaker: pumping.
• 18:26
  Speaker: This sounds like a movie.
• 18:27
  Speaker: This sounds like a horrible part
• 18:28
  Speaker: of the movie where you trip at
• 18:30
  Speaker: the at the wrong time and you
• 18:31
  Speaker: know, your ammunition goes
• 18:32
  Speaker: everywhere.
• 18:33
  Speaker: Oh my God.
• 18:33
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker: It's exact.
• 18:34
  Speaker: And so I'm, I'm, I have this one
• 18:37
  Speaker: round and I see my weapon, so I
• 18:40
  Speaker: grab it and I'm disoriented at
• 18:42
  Speaker: this point, but I see a downed
• 18:45
  Speaker: tree.
• 18:46
  Speaker: So immediately I jump over this downed tree and I lay down in
• 18:50
  Speaker: the prone position.
• 18:50
  Speaker: I just don't move.
• 18:52
  Speaker: And I just try and start control
• 18:53
  Speaker: my breathing and just try and
• 18:55
  Speaker: compose myself.
• 18:57
  Speaker: And by this point, I had turned off my, uh, um, cell phone
• 19:04
  Speaker: footage before I had wiped out.
• 19:06
  Speaker: Um, it was as soon as I started to head down the hills when I
• 19:09
  Speaker: turned it off.
• 19:09
  Speaker: So I don't get any of that.
• 19:12
  Speaker: So as I'm starting to compose myself, then I'm like, cell
• 19:15
  Speaker: phone, cell phone, cell phone.
• 19:16
  Speaker: So I'm trying to find my cell phone.
• 19:18
  Speaker: I find it and I start recording again.
• 19:20
  Speaker: So I build up the courage to get up and I start walking, and I
• 19:25
  Speaker: kind of get a bearing of where I'm at and I hear a whistle.
• 19:32
  Speaker: Um, so it's like a red tailed hawk.
• 19:36
  Speaker: The classic, you know, it
• 19:38
  Speaker: sounded like that, but it was
• 19:39
  Speaker: obviously it wasn't a red tailed
• 19:41
  Speaker: hawk.
• 19:42
  Speaker: As soon as it happens, all these other birds start just chiming
• 19:45
  Speaker: in with it.
• 19:46
  Speaker: And so I start panning the
• 19:48
  Speaker: hillside and it's like, I think
• 19:51
  Speaker: we've called it like white
• 19:53
  Speaker: shading.
• 19:53
  Speaker: Um, so whenever let's say you're on a building and you like it's
• 20:00
  Speaker: the worst place to be is standing up on a building.
• 20:02
  Speaker: If like you're in Iraq or Afghanistan, you're shooting
• 20:05
  Speaker: down at someone because you are leaving a perfect silhouette of
• 20:09
  Speaker: yourself against the skyline.
• 20:12
  Speaker: So that's what I'm seeing at
• 20:13
  Speaker: this point is everything on a
• 20:15
  Speaker: ridgeline, but I'm seeing the
• 20:16
  Speaker: silhouette of them and I'm
• 20:19
  Speaker: seeing what looks like a
• 20:21
  Speaker: gorilla.
• 20:22
  Speaker: Like it looks like a gorilla is
• 20:26
  Speaker: exactly what it looked like, and
• 20:29
  Speaker: it's looking where I should be
• 20:31
  Speaker: at.
• 20:32
  Speaker: But I wiped out and I got disoriented.
• 20:35
  Speaker: So I had moved up behind this tree, which was maybe twenty
• 20:38
  Speaker: yards to the left of where I should be at.
• 20:42
  Speaker: And you can see, and it's
• 20:44
  Speaker: looking where I should be at,
• 20:45
  Speaker: but it's grasping a tree and
• 20:47
  Speaker: it's I don't know if it's trying
• 20:49
  Speaker: to hide behind it or what, but
• 20:50
  Speaker: it's not.
• 20:51
  Speaker: You can't hide behind it.
• 20:52
  Speaker: This small tree compared to this
• 20:54
  Speaker: thing, it's huge broad
• 20:57
  Speaker: shoulders, no neck like
• 20:59
  Speaker: bodybuilder Brock Lesnar type,
• 21:02
  Speaker: no neck.
• 21:03
  Speaker: And but but the legs were very proportionate to the body.
• 21:08
  Speaker: They wasn't like a gorilla, small egg.
• 21:10
  Speaker: This was it.
• 21:14
  Speaker: Then it looks and it realizes where I'm at and it turns it.
• 21:18
  Speaker: So it goes from the right side
• 21:20
  Speaker: of the tree to the left side of
• 21:22
  Speaker: the tree, and it changes its
• 21:23
  Speaker: posture to, to where it's the
• 21:26
  Speaker: same posture, but it's the
• 21:28
  Speaker: opposite way looking on the
• 21:30
  Speaker: tree.
• 21:31
  Speaker: And that's when it stands up
• 21:33
  Speaker: completely and steps out from
• 21:35
  Speaker: behind the tree, which it wasn't
• 21:37
  Speaker: really hiding because it was
• 21:39
  Speaker: three times the width of the
• 21:40
  Speaker: tree.
• 21:42
  Speaker: And I'm like, fuck this.
• 21:45
  Speaker: And I take off running.
• 21:47
  Speaker: I'm beating feet and I think I
• 21:50
  Speaker: give some sort of smart ass
• 21:51
  Speaker: comment.
• 21:51
  Speaker: If you don't see this shit, I'm finding Bigfoot.
• 21:57
  Speaker: So that that goes down and I'm.
• 22:00
  Speaker: I tell Audrey about it and she's laughing and she's like, yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker: And I'm like, what?
• 22:07
  Speaker: She goes, really?
• 22:08
  Speaker: You're really going to make up a story like this to tell me?
• 22:11
  Speaker: Seriously, I thought we were grown ups around here and I'm
• 22:14
  Speaker: getting pissed off.
• 22:15
  Speaker: I was like, I got it recorded and she goes, aha, I bet you do.
• 22:19
  Speaker: I was like, oh no, no, we're doing this.
• 22:21
  Speaker: So I, I play it out for her and we get done watching it.
• 22:24
  Speaker: And she looks at me and she goes, what the fuck was that?
• 22:26
  Speaker: I go, exactly, that's what I'm telling you.
• 22:31
  Speaker: So it's she gets.
• 22:33
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker: So Covid hits and I, I don't go up in those woods anymore.
• 22:40
  Speaker: I refuse after that.
• 22:41
  Speaker: I refuse to go up there.
• 22:43
  Speaker: I don't care if I'm with someone else and we have guns.
• 22:47
  Speaker: I'm not going up there.
• 22:49
  Speaker: I, and I can't say that I blame you after that.
• 22:52
  Speaker: Like, I'm, I'm not going up there.
• 22:53
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker: So like I, I, I reported the Bfro okay.
• 22:59
  Speaker: Contacted me within.
• 23:03
  Speaker: A couple weeks.
• 23:04
  Speaker: Okay.
• 23:05
  Speaker: So I, I had reported it to them
• 23:07
  Speaker: and my exact words to them is,
• 23:10
  Speaker: you know, I can't sit here and
• 23:12
  Speaker: say it was a Bigfoot because I
• 23:14
  Speaker: don't know what a Bigfoot looks
• 23:15
  Speaker: like.
• 23:16
  Speaker: I've never seen one.
• 23:18
  Speaker: But I can tell you what it wasn't.
• 23:20
  Speaker: I know it wasn't a bear.
• 23:22
  Speaker: I know it wasn't a deer.
• 23:24
  Speaker: I know it wasn't a person.
• 23:26
  Speaker: No person's that damn stupid.
• 23:27
  Speaker: Especially when I have a gun like you, don't you?
• 23:30
  Speaker: You're you're begging to get fucking shot.
• 23:33
  Speaker: And like, I can tell you what it wasn't.
• 23:36
  Speaker: And I can tell you what it kind of looked like, but I can't tell
• 23:40
  Speaker: you what it was.
• 23:42
  Speaker: Did you get a good look at its face?
• 23:44
  Speaker: Like you said, it looked like a gorilla.
• 23:46
  Speaker: Did you see its eyes or any
• 23:48
  Speaker: facial features or anything like
• 23:49
  Speaker: that?
• 23:49
  Speaker: But you saw kind of like the
• 23:50
  Speaker: silhouette of what looked like a
• 23:52
  Speaker: gorilla.
• 23:52
  Speaker: Yeah, there was too much
• 23:54
  Speaker: lighting behind it to give a
• 23:56
  Speaker: good facial.
• 24:00
  Speaker: Definition.
• 24:01
  Speaker: But a gorilla silhouette looks
• 24:03
  Speaker: much different than a human
• 24:04
  Speaker: silhouette, so you can at least
• 24:05
  Speaker: tell that.
• 24:06
  Speaker: So, you know, the it was the
• 24:08
  Speaker: posture to the posture is like,
• 24:11
  Speaker: right.
• 24:12
  Speaker: It was spot on until it stood up.
• 24:14
  Speaker: And then it didn't have that posture.
• 24:16
  Speaker: It had straight human posture.
• 24:19
  Speaker: I, like I said, I can't tell you what it was, but I can tell you
• 24:24
  Speaker: what it wasn't.
• 24:26
  Speaker: Did you feel threatened by it?
• 24:27
  Speaker: Like, did it give off any vibes of.
• 24:29
  Speaker: Was it aggressive in any way that like, did you think it was
• 24:33
  Speaker: chasing you or something like that as you were taking off or
• 24:36
  Speaker: just observing you or what?
• 24:38
  Speaker: What do you think its intentions were?
• 24:40
  Speaker: It felt like once I got to a
• 24:42
  Speaker: certain point, it was, I'm done
• 24:47
  Speaker: with you, but I'm going to watch
• 24:49
  Speaker: and make sure you don't come
• 24:50
  Speaker: back.
• 24:51
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 24:52
  Speaker: That's the vibe.
• 24:53
  Speaker: I got kind of a territorial thing.
• 24:55
  Speaker: Like you're in my territory.
• 24:56
  Speaker: Yeah, yeah, it that's basically yeah, that'll be spot on it.
• 25:02
  Speaker: It was.
• 25:03
  Speaker: Um, and I'm not going to lie, before all this, I would if
• 25:07
  Speaker: someone told me they saw Bigfoot, I would say, yeah, I
• 25:12
  Speaker: bet you did.
• 25:13
  Speaker: Because it's, it's not something that that's not I deal with um,
• 25:21
  Speaker: odds percentages and I've got to see it to believe it.
• 25:26
  Speaker: Like, um, I just, I, I have to see it to believe it.
• 25:31
  Speaker: Believe nothing you hear and half you see.
• 25:33
  Speaker: Right.
• 25:34
  Speaker: And I would love to see when I've never experienced that.
• 25:37
  Speaker: But I, I tend to believe that people generally don't make up
• 25:40
  Speaker: stuff like what do you have to gain by making up stories and
• 25:44
  Speaker: all these thousands of other people that have said they've
• 25:47
  Speaker: seen something and it's like, ah, is everyone just like,
• 25:49
  Speaker: either everyone's lying or there's something there.
• 25:53
  Speaker: The only thing I've gained out of this is ridicule.
• 25:56
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 25:56
  Speaker: Like there's no, you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker: money's not pouring in and
• 25:59
  Speaker: you're not going to be like, oh,
• 26:00
  Speaker: wow, there's the guy that saw
• 26:01
  Speaker: Bigfoot.
• 26:02
  Speaker: You know, it's like you've got nothing to gain.
• 26:04
  Speaker: You just risk, you know, looking like a fool.
• 26:06
  Speaker: But people still come.
• 26:07
  Speaker: So I think there's a lot more people for that reason.
• 26:09
  Speaker: I think a lot more people have experiences.
• 26:11
  Speaker: They just don't come forward.
• 26:13
  Speaker: So it's like you makes you wonder how many other people
• 26:15
  Speaker: have seen something and they just keep it to themselves.
• 26:18
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 26:19
  Speaker: So the very last time is maybe
• 26:23
  Speaker: four miles from where this
• 26:25
  Speaker: happened.
• 26:25
  Speaker: And it's still in the white
• 26:26
  Speaker: River, but it's, um, it's called
• 26:29
  Speaker: flat rock.
• 26:29
  Speaker: Okay.
• 26:30
  Speaker: It's it's an area that's in shoals.
• 26:33
  Speaker: We, uh, decide we're going to go star watching, and she's
• 26:36
  Speaker: pregnant with twins, and we take our, um, fifteen year old, which
• 26:41
  Speaker: she was maybe thirteen, fourteen, I don't remember.
• 26:45
  Speaker: I'm trying to think.
• 26:47
  Speaker: Trying to do the math in my head right now, but I can't.
• 26:49
  Speaker: But, um, we get out there and
• 26:51
  Speaker: and when was this by the way,
• 26:52
  Speaker: this third this was this would
• 26:55
  Speaker: be in April may of two thousand
• 27:00
  Speaker: nineteen.
• 27:01
  Speaker: Okay.
• 27:03
  Speaker: So we get out to flat Rock.
• 27:06
  Speaker: And the first thing we noticed was, um, two sheriffs that were
• 27:13
  Speaker: bumper to bumper and they're off to the side road and which is
• 27:21
  Speaker: the turnoff to.
• 27:22
  Speaker: Um, they would have been off to the right to turn off to flat
• 27:24
  Speaker: rock would be to the left.
• 27:26
  Speaker: So we turned off the flat rock and then they drove by.
• 27:29
  Speaker: Then the state cop drove by.
• 27:31
  Speaker: Then DNR drove by.
• 27:33
  Speaker: Two other cops drove by.
• 27:34
  Speaker: So all these cops driving by and
• 27:37
  Speaker: I look at Audrey and I'm like,
• 27:38
  Speaker: you know, somebody's getting
• 27:39
  Speaker: raided tonight.
• 27:41
  Speaker: And it wasn't, but maybe fifteen, twenty minutes.
• 27:46
  Speaker: They all come back by.
• 27:47
  Speaker: And it was peculiar because the
• 27:49
  Speaker: last cop had pulled in and come
• 27:50
  Speaker: talk to us, which normally they
• 27:52
  Speaker: don't.
• 27:53
  Speaker: They don't come talk to no one.
• 27:54
  Speaker: They just kind of leave you alone.
• 27:56
  Speaker: Right?
• 27:56
  Speaker: And we kind of shoot the shit with him for a little bit, and
• 27:59
  Speaker: he goes on his way.
• 28:02
  Speaker: And before all this was
• 28:04
  Speaker: happening, you had all the
• 28:06
  Speaker: crickets.
• 28:07
  Speaker: I mean, the whippoorwills, night night owls.
• 28:11
  Speaker: I mean, everything that's come to life at night and which this
• 28:18
  Speaker: that's one thing I can remember was the sound.
• 28:20
  Speaker: After the cop leaves, we start
• 28:23
  Speaker: shining the light back into the
• 28:24
  Speaker: sky, and we're pointing out
• 28:26
  Speaker: constellations.
• 28:27
  Speaker: And it's as soon as he leaves, I look at Audrey and I go, where
• 28:34
  Speaker: did everything go?
• 28:36
  Speaker: And she goes, what do you mean?
• 28:37
  Speaker: I go, listen.
• 28:38
  Speaker: And the only thing you can hear is the waterfall from the flat
• 28:42
  Speaker: rock waterfalls by there.
• 28:45
  Speaker: Everything else is went
• 28:46
  Speaker: completely dead quiet, which was
• 28:49
  Speaker: really eerie.
• 28:52
  Speaker: And if you've ever heard a sound so loud, like at a rock concert,
• 28:55
  Speaker: your ears distort it.
• 28:58
  Speaker: Or it's staticky, right?
• 29:01
  Speaker: Just.
• 29:03
  Speaker: All this duct down the dog yipes.
• 29:06
  Speaker: Oh, we had our little beagle with us to the dog yipes.
• 29:09
  Speaker: Um, Tinsley is, which is my fifteen year old now.
• 29:13
  Speaker: She is hysterical and I'm like, be quiet, be quiet.
• 29:17
  Speaker: And they're like, what?
• 29:17
  Speaker: I was like, listen, listen, listen.
• 29:20
  Speaker: And something started to come down the hillside.
• 29:23
  Speaker: I can't tell you it was two legged or four legged.
• 29:25
  Speaker: I can't tell you that.
• 29:27
  Speaker: But I can tell you it had significant weight to it.
• 29:30
  Speaker: Okay.
• 29:31
  Speaker: And the thing that creeped me
• 29:33
  Speaker: out was every time it would step
• 29:36
  Speaker: on a branch, it would stop
• 29:38
  Speaker: walking.
• 29:39
  Speaker: And you could literally count to
• 29:40
  Speaker: fifteen, and then it would start
• 29:43
  Speaker: walking again.
• 29:44
  Speaker: And it happened four times as it came down this big old hillside.
• 29:48
  Speaker: And Audrey, this whole time was yelling at me.
• 29:51
  Speaker: Get in the goddamn car!
• 29:53
  Speaker: Get in the car!
• 29:53
  Speaker: And I'm like, no, I want to see what this is.
• 29:56
  Speaker: She goes, you know exactly what it is.
• 29:59
  Speaker: Get in the goddamn car!
• 30:00
  Speaker: And I'm like, no. Well, she's done pissed off at this point.
• 30:04
  Speaker: She's ready to leave.
• 30:05
  Speaker: Which in all fairness, we should have left just in case it would
• 30:09
  Speaker: have been a bear.
• 30:09
  Speaker: You never know.
• 30:11
  Speaker: But the sound the.
• 30:15
  Speaker: People told me that it could have sound.
• 30:17
  Speaker: It could have been a crow nesting because of the sound
• 30:20
  Speaker: I've heard crows nest.
• 30:22
  Speaker: And I've heard the cause they make.
• 30:24
  Speaker: And it was not that by any means.
• 30:28
  Speaker: This sounded like a damn chimpanzee getting the shit beat
• 30:31
  Speaker: out of it.
• 30:32
  Speaker: That's like a fight in a zoo.
• 30:35
  Speaker: That's exactly what it sounded like.
• 30:38
  Speaker: Like a fight in a zoo.
• 30:39
  Speaker: And that.
• 30:40
  Speaker: That's exactly what Audrey said as well.
• 30:42
  Speaker: And Tinsley, she goes, I've
• 30:45
  Speaker: never seen monkeys fight in a
• 30:46
  Speaker: zoo before.
• 30:46
  Speaker: But I tell you what, I bet you it sounds like that.
• 30:49
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 30:50
  Speaker: Wow.
• 30:52
  Speaker: And you said you.
• 30:53
  Speaker: And you said there was a lot of weight to it.
• 30:54
  Speaker: So it's not like a birds
• 30:56
  Speaker: wouldn't probably have that same
• 30:58
  Speaker: weight.
• 30:58
  Speaker: So if you're in the woods long enough, whenever you're walking
• 31:05
  Speaker: and you can hear pops of different branches, you can get
• 31:10
  Speaker: a pretty good idea of the density of how thick something
• 31:16
  Speaker: is by the pop it makes.
• 31:19
  Speaker: So. And these were not branches that were these were significant
• 31:24
  Speaker: size pops, like something was stepping on big.
• 31:29
  Speaker: I don't want to say logs, right.
• 31:31
  Speaker: Because that that sounds way too big, but big thick branches.
• 31:35
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 31:36
  Speaker: Not twigs, you know.
• 31:37
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker: And these were not twigs.
• 31:39
  Speaker: These were not snaps.
• 31:42
  Speaker: These were very loud.
• 31:43
  Speaker: And I do I, I understand at nighttime things are amplified
• 31:47
  Speaker: because of, you know, everything else is kind of dead and quiet.
• 31:52
  Speaker: But this was I've spent a lot of time in the woods.
• 31:56
  Speaker: Like I can I when I say deer hunt, I don't mean getting a
• 31:59
  Speaker: tree stand like that.
• 32:01
  Speaker: That's cheating.
• 32:02
  Speaker: That's not the same as deer weighting.
• 32:04
  Speaker: I, I qualified deer hunting as you literally find a buck and
• 32:08
  Speaker: you track that son of a bitch.
• 32:10
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 32:11
  Speaker: It's it's it's it takes the fun out of it because there's no
• 32:15
  Speaker: danger sitting in a tree.
• 32:17
  Speaker: There's danger if you're trying to track a buck and he's in rut,
• 32:21
  Speaker: I mean, that thing can kill you.
• 32:24
  Speaker: That's the joy I get out of it.
• 32:26
  Speaker: So you're no stranger to this whole, you know, the woods and
• 32:29
  Speaker: how what things sound like and that sort of thing.
• 32:32
  Speaker: So that's important.
• 32:34
  Speaker: Well, I, like I said, I grew up in a very rural area growing up.
• 32:37
  Speaker: And I mean, I can, I can track I mean, that's something that
• 32:42
  Speaker: that's, that's the type of outdoors person I am.
• 32:46
  Speaker: This I don't know what this was like.
• 32:51
  Speaker: I, I've, I heard everything you can think of.
• 32:55
  Speaker: This was nothing I'm ever accustomed to ever.
• 32:59
  Speaker: And you didn't see this is one you just heard.
• 33:01
  Speaker: You didn't see this one at all.
• 33:03
  Speaker: Okay.
• 33:04
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker: And the strangest thing about it was, and I could I'll just
• 33:09
  Speaker: imagine of something like a. It had to be heavy.
• 33:13
  Speaker: Like it's it's it had to be heavy.
• 33:16
  Speaker: Were there other people anywhere near like, was this pretty
• 33:20
  Speaker: remote where there wouldn't be other people roaming around or
• 33:22
  Speaker: anything like that?
• 33:24
  Speaker: No, no. No houses near anything.
• 33:27
  Speaker: No, this is, uh.
• 33:29
  Speaker: Well, it's that's I want to say it's federal land to I want to
• 33:33
  Speaker: say because that's.
• 33:34
  Speaker: Yeah, because I want to say it's a, I don't know if it's state
• 33:37
  Speaker: park or not.
• 33:38
  Speaker: I'm not really for sure, honestly.
• 33:40
  Speaker: I just know there's a. Because
• 33:42
  Speaker: it used to be a, um, like maybe
• 33:44
  Speaker: like a historical site because
• 33:46
  Speaker: it used to be like a button
• 33:47
  Speaker: factory back in the nineteen
• 33:48
  Speaker: hundreds.
• 33:48
  Speaker: Okay.
• 33:49
  Speaker: Something something like that.
• 33:50
  Speaker: But yeah, it's pretty rural.
• 33:52
  Speaker: That's the thing is like, I've
• 33:54
  Speaker: heard people walk in the woods
• 33:56
  Speaker: and they can't make pops like
• 33:57
  Speaker: this.
• 33:58
  Speaker: Like this had to be something heavy, right?
• 34:00
  Speaker: Like I'm talking more than three, four hundred pounds.
• 34:03
  Speaker: Like it had to be heavy.
• 34:05
  Speaker: MM. It makes you wonder.
• 34:08
  Speaker: I mean, because it wasn't that
• 34:09
  Speaker: far from your second experience,
• 34:11
  Speaker: uh, when you were squirrel
• 34:12
  Speaker: hunting.
• 34:13
  Speaker: So it's kind of like, I wonder if there's a family of these
• 34:15
  Speaker: things or, you know, that's their their territory.
• 34:18
  Speaker: And how far away is your was
• 34:21
  Speaker: your first experience from the
• 34:22
  Speaker: second two because, I mean, you
• 34:24
  Speaker: said that the second two were
• 34:24
  Speaker: pretty close.
• 34:25
  Speaker: Oh. Were they?
• 34:27
  Speaker: Maybe so.
• 34:28
  Speaker: I mean, it's all pretty close here.
• 34:30
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.
• 34:31
  Speaker: And it's all on one side of a river too.
• 34:33
  Speaker: It all happened on one side of the white River.
• 34:36
  Speaker: Well, what do you think says.
• 34:37
  Speaker: I mean, obviously you've never.
• 34:39
  Speaker: Nobody knows.
• 34:40
  Speaker: But what do you think Sasquatch is?
• 34:41
  Speaker: Do you think it's like a an actual animal that's just, like,
• 34:45
  Speaker: not been discovered?
• 34:46
  Speaker: Or do you think it's like some sort of paranormal creature that
• 34:50
  Speaker: comes and goes as it pleases?
• 34:51
  Speaker: I mean, it's kind of like, well, that's that's the thing.
• 34:55
  Speaker: Paranormal like ghosts don't
• 34:56
  Speaker: leave footprints as far as a
• 34:58
  Speaker: supernatural.
• 35:00
  Speaker: I mean, there's certain like ghosts don't leave footprints.
• 35:03
  Speaker: They don't do stuff like this.
• 35:04
  Speaker: Whatever it is, is a, is a physical body of some kind.
• 35:10
  Speaker: But it's I mean, I don't think it's no ape human.
• 35:15
  Speaker: uh, if anything, it's just a
• 35:18
  Speaker: species that we just don't know
• 35:20
  Speaker: yet about.
• 35:22
  Speaker: I mean, that's the that's the only thing I can come up with.
• 35:24
  Speaker: I mean, unless, I mean, it's
• 35:27
  Speaker: kind of like, uh, there was a
• 35:29
  Speaker: doctor from Idaho State as a
• 35:32
  Speaker: professor, uh, I can't remember
• 35:36
  Speaker: his name, but he said that we
• 35:39
  Speaker: can go with the theory that it's
• 35:41
  Speaker: someone dressing up in an ape
• 35:43
  Speaker: costume, trying to scare
• 35:45
  Speaker: someone.
• 35:45
  Speaker: And he said, we can go with that theory.
• 35:48
  Speaker: But that means that you're
• 35:50
  Speaker: saying for the past nine hundred
• 35:52
  Speaker: years, someone has dressed up in
• 35:55
  Speaker: an ape costume and scared
• 35:56
  Speaker: natives all over the world,
• 35:57
  Speaker: right?
• 35:59
  Speaker: Yeah, because this is not just something that popped up in the,
• 36:01
  Speaker: you know, the sixties and 70s.
• 36:03
  Speaker: It's been for hundreds of years.
• 36:04
  Speaker: That's something else you have to ask yourself is every almost
• 36:09
  Speaker: every continent has a great ape of some kind.
• 36:16
  Speaker: There's new species being discovered every day.
• 36:20
  Speaker: But who are.
• 36:21
  Speaker: I mean, who are we to say that this individual can't see in the
• 36:26
  Speaker: light spectrum of infrared?
• 36:29
  Speaker: I mean, even dogs can see infrared lasers.
• 36:32
  Speaker: So it's not hard to say that you
• 36:35
  Speaker: use camera traps that use
• 36:36
  Speaker: infrared sensors.
• 36:37
  Speaker: So you have all these laser
• 36:40
  Speaker: lights that are pointing out
• 36:41
  Speaker: everywhere.
• 36:42
  Speaker: I mean, if something can see in
• 36:44
  Speaker: infrared, it's a pretty good
• 36:46
  Speaker: assumption.
• 36:47
  Speaker: It's not going to go near that.
• 36:49
  Speaker: And that would make sense.
• 36:50
  Speaker: So yeah, that's something that we need to take into
• 36:53
  Speaker: consideration too when using camera traps that if it is using
• 36:58
  Speaker: an infrared sensor and you're not capturing said something on
• 37:04
  Speaker: it, there's a lot of what ifs.
• 37:07
  Speaker: But I mean, at the end of the day, Yeah, I mean, I, I, I'm a
• 37:14
  Speaker: believer at this point.
• 37:15
  Speaker: I mean, absolutely there's
• 37:17
  Speaker: something what it is, I don't
• 37:20
  Speaker: know.
• 37:20
  Speaker: But the phenomenon is real.
• 37:23
  Speaker: That's that's the only thing
• 37:25
  Speaker: that I know is, is that it is
• 37:26
  Speaker: real.
• 37:27
  Speaker: I just don't know what it is.
• 37:30
  Speaker: I want to thank Bill and Angela for both having the courage to
• 37:33
  Speaker: come forward and share their encounters with us.
• 37:36
  Speaker: If you'd like to check out
• 37:37
  Speaker: Bill's footage you talked about,
• 37:38
  Speaker: I do have the link to his
• 37:40
  Speaker: YouTube channel in the show
• 37:41
  Speaker: notes, which you can find at
• 37:43
  Speaker: River city mystery dot com slash
• 37:45
  Speaker: fourteen.
• 37:47
  Speaker: And if you've had an encounter that you'd like to talk about,
• 37:49
  Speaker: I'd love to hear your story.
• 37:50
  Speaker: You can reach out to me at
• 37:52
  Speaker: matt@RiverCityMystery.com, or
• 37:54
  Speaker: you can join my discord at
• 37:56
  Speaker: rivercitymystery.com/
• 37:58
  Speaker: discord.
• 37:59
  Speaker: Thanks for joining me.
• 38:00
  Speaker: And until next time, take care.