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The Places Love Still Hurts · Infinite Threads with Bob Barnett

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  SPEAKER_00: welcome back to Infinite Threads.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: This week, we're walking through the places where love becomes real.
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  SPEAKER_00: We began with courage, that moment when tenderness has to stand up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yesterday,
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  SPEAKER_00: we stepped into mercy beyond revenge and the harder kind of love
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  SPEAKER_00: that wants protection,
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  SPEAKER_00: repair, study, and prevention instead of simply adding more harm to harm.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today, I want to sit somewhere quieter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not easier, but just quieter.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about the places that love still hurts.
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  SPEAKER_00: That may sound strange at first because we often speak of love as the thing
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  SPEAKER_00: that heals us, and it does.
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe that with my whole heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: But love also leaves tender places.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are rooms inside us that ache because someone mattered there.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are names we cannot hear casually.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are songs that can walk right through the front door of the heart without knocking.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are dates on the calendar that look ordinary to everyone else,
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  SPEAKER_00: while inside us, they carry a whole world.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is what love does when it has been real.
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  SPEAKER_00: It leaves a mark.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes the mark hurts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not because love failed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Definitely not.
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  SPEAKER_00: But because love entered deeply enough to change the shape of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we need to make room for that because our world is not always patient
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  SPEAKER_00: with lingering eight.
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  SPEAKER_00: People may be kind for a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may understand for a season.
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  SPEAKER_00: But eventually,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's this quiet pressure to be better,
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  SPEAKER_00: to move forward, to stop circling the same memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, life does move.
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  SPEAKER_00: The bills still come.
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  SPEAKER_00: The dishes still need washing.
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  SPEAKER_00: The dog still wants out at the most inconvenient possible moment
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  SPEAKER_00: because apparently dogs do not respect emotional timing.
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  SPEAKER_00: We go on.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have to.
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  SPEAKER_00: But going on is not the same as being untouched.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some love becomes part of our landscape.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't sit in one clean memory that we can visit and leave.
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  SPEAKER_00: It becomes the way a room feels,
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  SPEAKER_00: the way a holiday lands,
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  SPEAKER_00: the reason a certain joke still catches in the throat before it becomes a smile.
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  SPEAKER_00: That kind of ache, that's not something that we simply just get over.
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  SPEAKER_00: We learn to live with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And maybe if we're gentle with ourselves,
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  SPEAKER_00: we learn to listen to it because not every pain is an enemy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some pain is a witness.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says this mattered.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says someone was here.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says you were changed by love and that change is still alive in you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to romanticize suffering.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have no interest in pretending ache is beautiful just
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  SPEAKER_00: because we can say poetic things about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pain can be exhausting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Grief can be heavy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Missing someone can feel like carrying a stone that no one else can see.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I also don't want to treat every ache like a problem to be solved.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some aches are part of loving.
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  SPEAKER_00: A parent watches a child grow up and feels pride mixed with the sting
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  SPEAKER_00: of time passing too quickly.
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  SPEAKER_00: A friendship changes and even if there is no anger,
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  SPEAKER_00: something still hurts because the old closeness had become a kind of home.
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  SPEAKER_00: A loved one is gone and years later a tiny moment brings them back so vividly that
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  SPEAKER_00: the heart doesn't know whether to smile or break.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not weakness, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is love still echoing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think we do damage when we tell people directly or indirectly
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  SPEAKER_00: that healing means the ache disappears.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe sometimes it softens and maybe it changes its shape.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it stops being the first thing that we feel when we wake up.
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  SPEAKER_00: But some love remains tender for a lifetime.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that does not mean that we are stuck.
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  SPEAKER_00: It means that we are human.
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  SPEAKER_00: The goal may not be to erase the ache.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the goal is to let love hold it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a difference.
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  SPEAKER_00: When pain is alone, it can turn bitter.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can make us smaller.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can convince us to close every door so nothing else can ever reach us that deeply again.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when love stays near the ache, something else can happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: The memory that once only broke us can begin to bless us too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not every day and not on command.
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  SPEAKER_00: But slowly,
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  SPEAKER_00: in honest moments,
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  SPEAKER_00: gratitude begins to sit beside grief without trying to push it out of the chair.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a holy kind of companionship.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gratitude does not cancel grief.
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  SPEAKER_00: Grief does not cancel gratitude.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can sit together because love is large enough to hold both.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that is one of the deepest truths We learn as life goes on.
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  SPEAKER_00: The heart is not a courtroom where one feeling has to win and the other has to be dismissed.
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  SPEAKER_00: The heart is more like a house with many rooms.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sorrow can be in one room.
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  SPEAKER_00: Laughter can be in another.
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  SPEAKER_00: Memory can be upstairs turning on old lamps.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hope can be in the kitchen quietly making coffee.
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  SPEAKER_00: And somehow all of that Can belong to the same life.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're allowed to be complicated.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love makes us complicated.
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  SPEAKER_00: It gives us joy that can later become ache.
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  SPEAKER_00: It gives us people that we would never trade, even though missing them hurts.
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  SPEAKER_00: It gives us moments so precious that their absence leaves a hollow place behind it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And still, still, Would we choose never to have loved?
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  SPEAKER_00: Most of us wouldn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even knowing the cost,
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  SPEAKER_00: even knowing that every real attachment carries the possibility of loss,
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  SPEAKER_00: we would still say yes to the person,
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  SPEAKER_00: yes to the friendship,
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  SPEAKER_00: yes to the laughter,
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  SPEAKER_00: yes to the years,
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  SPEAKER_00: yes to the memory, even when memory comes with tears in its pockets.
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  SPEAKER_00: That tells me something about love.
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  SPEAKER_00: It tells me love is worth more than comfort.
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  SPEAKER_00: If comfort were the highest good, we would protect ourselves from every deep connection.
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  SPEAKER_00: We would never risk the kind of love that can wound us by being absent.
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  SPEAKER_00: But a life built only around avoiding pain becomes too small for the soul.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love opens us.
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  SPEAKER_00: That opening makes us vulnerable.
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  SPEAKER_00: And vulnerability means some places will hurt.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is no honest way around that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there's also no honest way around this.
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  SPEAKER_00: The same opening that allows grief is the opening that allows wonder,
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  SPEAKER_00: joy, tenderness, and belonging.
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  SPEAKER_00: To shut out ache completely, we would have to shut out love too.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't want to do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that you do either.
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  SPEAKER_00: So maybe today's reflection is not about how to stop hurting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's about how to honor the hurt without letting it become the whole story.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ache can have a place.
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  SPEAKER_00: It just does not have to own the house.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can make room for memory and still keep living.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can miss what was and still be present to what is.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can carry love from yesterday into the way we treat people today.
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  SPEAKER_00: That may be one of the quiet ways healing happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not by forgetting.
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  SPEAKER_00: But by letting love continue in another form.
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  SPEAKER_00: The person we miss may not be here the way that we want them to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: But something they gave us can still move through us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Their humor, their patience, their courage, their way of noticing beauty.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're odd little sayings that still sneak into our own mouth when we least expect it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those are going through my head right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love does not always end at absence.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fact, it just doesn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes absence reveals how deeply love has entered us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yes, that hurts bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it also means something sacred has been trusted to us.
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  SPEAKER_00: We carry it now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not perfectly, not without tears, but we carry it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That can become part of how we keep the thread alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: We love others with some of the love we received.
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  SPEAKER_00: We become gentler because we know what loss feels like.
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  SPEAKER_00: We stop taking ordinary moments quite so lightly because we've learned
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  SPEAKER_00: that one day ordinary can become precious.
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  SPEAKER_00: A voice in the next room,
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  SPEAKER_00: a shared meal, a ridiculous story, a message that only says, made it home.
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  SPEAKER_00: These things are easy to miss until life teaches us what they were.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wish we could learn that without loss.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe sometimes you can.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that is one reason why To talk about it now.
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  SPEAKER_00: To let the ache teach us attention.
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  SPEAKER_00: To let memory make us kinder.
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  SPEAKER_00: To let the places that love still hurts become places where love still speaks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not every wound has wisdom in it right away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some wounds need time, care, silence, and people who do not rush them.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if we stay open Love can eventually speak even there.
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  SPEAKER_00: It may not explain everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: It may not answer every why.
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  SPEAKER_00: It may simply say, this mattered.
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  SPEAKER_00: Keep loving.
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  SPEAKER_00: And maybe for today, maybe that's enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're carrying one of those tender places, I hope you do not feel ashamed of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope you don't measure your healing by whether the ache has vanished.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the ache is there because love was real.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's there because your heart knew how to attach, how to care, how to let someone matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: And guys, that's not a flaw.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is evidence of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: So hold it gently.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't worship the ache, but don't despise it either.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a different way of looking at it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let it remind you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let it soften you where it can.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let it make you more aware of the people still beside you,
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  SPEAKER_00: the moment still unfolding, and the love still asking to be lived now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because the places that love still hurts are not only places of sorrow.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can become places of tenderness.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can become places where we understand one another more deeply.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can become places where the thread, though stretched by absence, still holds.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if the thread still holds, then love has not disappeared.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has changed form.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what I believe.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has entered memory.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has become part of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And somewhere inside the ache, quiet but real, love is still alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love you all very, very much.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know this was a tough one.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I need you to do, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Go out there and pass that on, all right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Later, Gators.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here we go.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome friends, enjoy the show.