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My son was CATFISHING strangers online, and his school was covering it up! | Reddit Stories | EP3146 · ok storytime

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  Speaker 3: My son was catfishing strangers online and his school was
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  Speaker 3: covering it up? What? What is happening here?
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  Speaker 4: My 43-female son accidentally left his iPad on the counter
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  Speaker 4: this morning on his way out. I found it right
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  Speaker 4: after he left. It was unlocked and opened to a
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  Speaker 4: string of emails. I won't go into too many details,
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  Speaker 4: but let's just say they were very graphic.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no.
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  Speaker 4: I decided to do some more digging. Usually we don't
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  Speaker 4: snoop in my house and we try to respect his
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  Speaker 4: right to privacy. He has a lot of electronics, two laptops,
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  Speaker 4: a desktop, iPad, iPhone, iPod, etc.
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  Speaker 2: Why? Dang.
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  Speaker 4: Why does he have so many electronics?
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  Speaker 3: Because he's got things to do.
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  Speaker 4: Why does he have two laptops?
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  Speaker 3: So he can write two reports because everyone knows you
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  Speaker 3: can only write one report per laptop.
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  Speaker 4: Why did you give him so many things?
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  Speaker 2: Only child maybe?
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  Speaker 4: And my husband, 44 male, and I allow him free
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  Speaker 4: reign over his items.
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  Speaker 3: What? How old is he?
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  Speaker 4: He's gotta be at least.
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  Speaker 3: Like 15, 16. I thought... Come on, 15.
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  Speaker 4: He protects them all with various passwords, and we make
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  Speaker 4: no effort to monitor his activity on them.
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  Speaker 2: 13.
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  Speaker 3: You make... 13?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I will not... I'm not going to place
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  Speaker 4: judgment too heavily on your parenting, because I think some people...
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  Speaker 4: You know, do what's best for them.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, she took a step back. Taking a step back.
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  Speaker 4: Taking a step back.
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  Speaker 3: She got really upset and then she reeled it in
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  Speaker 3: like a professional.
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  Speaker 4: I'm reeling it in.
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  Speaker 2: She went, are you? I remember when I was 13. What?
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  Speaker 2: Is it possible?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that 13-year-olds should have free reign, unlimited access,
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  Speaker 4: you know, no monitoring over... Like their internet use. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think they have learned how to protect themselves enough
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  Speaker 4: at 13.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. To the point where you should give him
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  Speaker 3: free reign. Give him free reign. Yes. 13 is too young.
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  Speaker 4: And that is my thought. He is extremely smart and
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  Speaker 4: very gifted with technology. He actually makes reasonably good money
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  Speaker 4: developing apps, and we try to support him in this
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  Speaker 4: by allowing him to access any tech item he wants.
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  Speaker 4: I just say this all because it's important based on
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  Speaker 4: what I found. It turns out that for the last
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  Speaker 4: few months, might be much longer, I don't know, he
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  Speaker 4: has been catfishing everywhere. men on various dating sites.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 1: He's 13.
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  Speaker 3: 13. He's 13. Why is he on a dating site?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 4: How do you, what is, no, no, no, no. And
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  Speaker 4: this is what happens when we give our children unlimited
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  Speaker 4: access to the internet. He pretends to be a pretty
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  Speaker 4: girl to lure them in and then gets them to
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  Speaker 4: have discussions about their life. Then, after a few weeks
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  Speaker 4: of chatting and texting, he begins stalking them online and
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  Speaker 4: via text messages and basically bullying them. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to go into too many details, but he is currently
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  Speaker 4: doing this to at least five people. All of these
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  Speaker 4: people live in our city. Who is that? Is that date?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's Chris Hansen. I'm Chris Hansen, and this is Out
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  Speaker 2: of Pockets.
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  Speaker 4: This is Out of Pockets. By the way, this comes
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  Speaker 4: from Catfishing Kid. And if you want to submit your
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  Speaker 4: own stories, go to the r slash showcase story time subreddit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Sophia. I'm Savannah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Keon.
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  Speaker 4: And we're here to give good advice goofily, but we
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  Speaker 4: don't have all the answers. We only know what we'd do.
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  Speaker 4: So let us know what you would do in the comments.
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  Speaker 4: And OP continues. He has hacked emails and Google Plus pages,
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  Speaker 4: Tumblr pages of his victims, and a lot of other
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  Speaker 4: really messed up things. As far as I can tell,
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  Speaker 4: everything he has done has been online. He has never
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  Speaker 4: met any of these people in real life. None of
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  Speaker 4: them have any clue who he is. He hasn't put
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  Speaker 4: anyone into a situation where they were at physical risk
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  Speaker 4: and has not caused them to meet each other. Just
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  Speaker 4: to be clear, I wanted to make sure. He's catfishing
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  Speaker 4: these men.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have it. Last few months, some catfishing men
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  Speaker 3: as a pretty girl on dating sites, then stalking and
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  Speaker 3: bullying them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He claims that it was just something to do for
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  Speaker 4: fun and to pass the time.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you're a 13-year-old kid. You know what's fun? Hanging
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  Speaker 2: out with your buddies.
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  Speaker 3: Baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Baseball. Video games. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This? No. Not dating sites when you're 13. Oh, and
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  Speaker 3: to men, like, oh, God. I don't know. Men are
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  Speaker 3: just scary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It started as a joke with a few other kids
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  Speaker 4: in his class after watching Catfish, and his friends were
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  Speaker 4: impressed with his ability to do this, so he kept
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  Speaker 4: it up.
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  Speaker 2: What? What the actual F, dude? That's what, what are
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  Speaker 2: we doing?
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  Speaker 3: He wants to be a catfish. He was inspired to
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  Speaker 3: be a catfish.
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  Speaker 4: By the show Catfish.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, that seems hilarious. Hey guys, let's do that.
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  Speaker 4: This sounds awesome. These friends are the same kids who
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  Speaker 4: have been bullying him constantly in school.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 4: He has mild autism and has had a very hard
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  Speaker 4: time fitting in at his school since he's extremely smart,
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  Speaker 4: but very socially awkward.
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  Speaker 3: Again, Should not.
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  Speaker 4: Have had unlimited access.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, dang. On the internet. So, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Just for, like, OP says he's been getting bullied. I highly,
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  Speaker 4: I would be very surprised if he is not getting
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  Speaker 4: cyber bullied as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: To some level.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact that OP does not have any, you know,
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  Speaker 4: is not monitoring his usage at all. Like he's probably
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  Speaker 4: getting bullied on these websites. You know, that's another thing,
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  Speaker 4: another layer that OP is not aware of because she
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  Speaker 4: has no eyes on what he's doing or what is happening.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not not a good situation to be.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 4: He says that once he started doing this at the
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  Speaker 4: request of his friends, the bullying stopped. and he now
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  Speaker 4: has a positive social experience with his classmates.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no! That's what he associates with being like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: they like this, and I'm not getting bullied, so okay, cool.
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  Speaker 3: This is what everyone's doing.
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  Speaker 4: He claims that no one else knows the extent of
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  Speaker 4: what he has done. In addition to banning him from
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  Speaker 4: all tech for the rest of his teenage life, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to pull him out of his current school. He
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  Speaker 4: is in a gifted program with a heavy focus on tech,
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  Speaker 4: so it would be impossible to enforce the no tech
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  Speaker 4: rule otherwise. and homeschool him for the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 4: That is a terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Terrible.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no. Okay, again, I'm reeling it back in.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying not to place heavy judgment on your parenting,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't think that is the best way to
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  Speaker 4: fix this because you are just going to be completely
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  Speaker 4: taking him. Like you already said that he is socially
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  Speaker 4: awkward and to completely take him away from all.
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  Speaker 3: Of his peers. From any social interaction at all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that would help him.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 4: Also, I don't know if the solution has to be,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because OP said, well, he's in a tech,
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  Speaker 4: you know, gifted program.
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  Speaker 2: Take away all the tech.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think the solution has to be take
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  Speaker 4: away all the tech. It's monitor the tech that he has.
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  Speaker 2: Or parental controls. People are saying that in the comments.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, parental controls. Of course he could figure out a
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  Speaker 3: way around that. You can put blocks on things.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's a whole thing. And it's... Not very hard either.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: Like I feel like everything nowadays comes with parental controls
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  Speaker 3: because we didn't have it when we were little. We
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  Speaker 3: just kind of did it.
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  Speaker 4: Or even just like consequences. saying you have to give
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  Speaker 4: us all your passwords and we are going to do
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  Speaker 4: like random checks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: To make sure that you're safe.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's just, this is all out of safety and concern.
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  Speaker 3: Not that like, you know, you clearly care about your child. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, he's a very bright kid and you
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  Speaker 4: don't necessarily have the same knowledge of tech that he does.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And so you're kind of at a loss and you're
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  Speaker 4: trying to figure that out.
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  Speaker 3: I get that. Yeah. Which like, that's okay. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have to know every single thing that, you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: doing at all times, but you do need to keep
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  Speaker 3: him safe in the tech world, especially because it's dangerous. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So many things can happen.
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  Speaker 4: Opie says we are also going to force him into
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  Speaker 4: therapy to figure out why he thought this is a
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  Speaker 4: good idea and try to get him to understand exactly
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  Speaker 4: why it was 100% wrong. We will address this with
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  Speaker 4: him with a hard hand and he will face the
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  Speaker 4: consequences of what he has done.
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  Speaker 3: I'm here for.
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  Speaker 4: Advice on what to do in regards to the people
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  Speaker 4: he has affected and I believe that at the very
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  Speaker 4: least he should have to personally contact.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 4: Most likely a phone call. Every single person he has harassed.
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  Speaker 4: Identify himself. The extent of what he's done and apologize.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Don't give them his information.
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  Speaker 4: Are you kidding? Identify himself. You want your 13 year
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  Speaker 4: old to identify himself to the grown men he captured?
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  Speaker 2: This is so backwards.
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  Speaker 3: No. This is like not like I fear for him now.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so afraid.
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  Speaker 3: I was fearing for him doing it by himself. And
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  Speaker 3: now she knows she's making it worse. You're supposed to
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  Speaker 3: protect your child, not make it 20 times worse. You're
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  Speaker 3: going to just say who he is, his identity online
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  Speaker 3: as a 13 year old. Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
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  Speaker 4: I also want to speak to these people myself to
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  Speaker 4: know his actions have had any real impact on their
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  Speaker 4: life and work with them to see what can be
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  Speaker 4: done to make up for it.
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 4: My husband doesn't think we should do this.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to your husband.
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  Speaker 4: Listen to your husband. A phlegm fairy said to this parent,
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  Speaker 4: grow up in the 1970s.
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  Speaker 3: Potentially.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, she's 43, but. Mainly because he's worried that
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  Speaker 4: doing so will open our son up to. extended ramifications
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  Speaker 4: he is worried that he can potentially face criminal charges
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  Speaker 4: because of his actions I doubt he would face criminal
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  Speaker 4: charges yeah based on what you have told us also
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  Speaker 4: he's 13 they would not charge him for this but
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  Speaker 4: you will open him up to a lot of other
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  Speaker 4: dangerous stuff yeah He doesn't think we should contact these people.
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  Speaker 4: I really disagree, since I feel that letting him get
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  Speaker 4: away without owning up to what he has done to
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  Speaker 4: these people is not okay. I would like other people's
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  Speaker 4: opinions on this portion of the situation. Am I in
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  Speaker 4: the right path here?
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  Speaker 2: OP, this is not like your kid was playing baseball
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  Speaker 2: and he broke a glass window and should confront that.
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  Speaker 2: This is really bad. Don't do that.
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  Speaker 4: It does not mean that he doesn't... deserve consequences, but
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  Speaker 4: the consequences don't have to be telling his name and
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  Speaker 4: making him contact grown men who he has catfished and
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  Speaker 4: probably will not ever Like.
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  Speaker 3: Him very much. Yeah, they're going to make all this 13-year-old.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to be like, hi.
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  Speaker 2: And they're in this town, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they all live in the town. It's not
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  Speaker 3: like he is doing this countries away or across the
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  Speaker 3: state lines.
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  Speaker 4: No, this is.
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  Speaker 3: All probably a walking distance. Oh, God.
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  Speaker 4: Clem Ferry says this OP screams of someone who didn't
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  Speaker 4: grow up in the internet era or with access to
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  Speaker 4: internet throughout schooling. Question, how old is this guy?
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  Speaker 3: 43. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: How old is this?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, how old is the post? Because this kind of
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  Speaker 3: feels to me like an earlier post.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: How old?
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  Speaker 2: I can't check. It's deleted.
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay.
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  Speaker 4: It does feel like a earlier post potentially.
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  Speaker 2: Like 2015, 2016.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, which I would be surprised if it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Because catfish was like a big thing in that era,
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  Speaker 2: like middle 20 teens.
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  Speaker 4: More so just like how OP is acting because I
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  Speaker 4: knew a lot of kids growing up who also had.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what?
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  Speaker 3: 2015.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am not surprised. I clocked that. This does
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  Speaker 4: give a lot of insight into, and there is an
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  Speaker 4: edit and an update, which we'll get into. But it
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  Speaker 4: being 2015 does give a lot of insight into how
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  Speaker 4: this mom is acting because she's, you know, she's 43
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  Speaker 4: in 2015. So didn't grow up with all of that technology.
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  Speaker 4: And now as a child who is very well versed
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  Speaker 4: in technology. And so she doesn't like know how to
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  Speaker 4: parent that person, how to control that. So this is, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a year younger than me. This is not,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I can't tell you, like, I can't give
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  Speaker 4: you advice because this is many moons ago, but I
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  Speaker 4: hope that you did not contact these people because that's
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  Speaker 4: insane to do.
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  Speaker 3: But we have an edit. Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 4: Would it make a difference if we only contacted victims
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  Speaker 4: using a burner phone and declined to give any identifiable information?
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  Speaker 3: Just don't contact them.
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  Speaker 2: Just cut off contact.
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  Speaker 4: Just don't contact.
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  Speaker 3: Just cut it off.
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  Speaker 2: That's all you have to do.
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  Speaker 4: Ghost them.
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  Speaker 3: Please.
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: People get ghosted all the time. Well, this was probably pre-ghosting.
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  Speaker 1: No.
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: Ghosting's been a thing for a long, long time.
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  Speaker 2: Even before texting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, people have been ghosted since the beginning of time.
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: It just wasn't called ghosting.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't a name.
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: They just never came home.
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  Speaker 3: They'd be like, my love went off to sea and
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: I never saw them again. Oh, real life ghosting. Dang. Oh.
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: Well, they didn't die. They just never came home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So like in real life.
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  Speaker 4: Like for example, Theseus ghosted Ariadne.
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: Ariadne. After she helped him with the string and he
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: left her on an island. Theseus and the Minotaur?
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  Speaker 2: No. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Top comments.
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  Speaker 4: Just Germ says he actually makes reasonably good money developing apps.
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  Speaker 4: Are you sure he isn't just blackmailing his victims for cash?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: And see, that's when we would be getting into he
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  Speaker 4: could have some charges against him. We have an update
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  Speaker 4: two months later. A little over a month ago, I
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: posted about my son. He was caught pestering people he'd
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: met online. This is just an extremely quick update since
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: a ton of people asked for one. We pulled him
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  Speaker 4: out of his school. The entire thing has blown up
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: over the last month. We found out that this was
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: a serious issue in his school and that the majority
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: of the students in his grade were doing it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, dang.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a whole operation. Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so this tech thing basically was just like teaching
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: them how to.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, this is me in, you know, this is like
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  Speaker 4: I'm 13. This is literally like a year younger than me.
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  Speaker 4: So we had just, I was, what did they say, 2015?
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  Speaker 4: So I was 14. I had had an iPad in
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: school for about three years at that point. No one
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  Speaker 4: really understood, like parents didn't really understand how to like
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  Speaker 4: protect or monitor stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like we could hide apps. We, everyone had Minecraft on
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  Speaker 4: their iPads and we hid it by putting it, you
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: know how you have the folder? We would put it
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: on the second page of the folder and they just
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to find it. That's how we hid
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: those apps. It's that level. It's like, it was that
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: easy to get away with, yes, something very minor, like
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: hiding Minecraft on your iPad. But like parents at that
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: time just didn't know how to, like it was all
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: so new and the kids, you know, were the best
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: at learning.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: How to use all of this technology.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Dang.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: Never had an iPad. Yeah, we had it. It was
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: like a school thing. Oh, school iPad. Yeah. Still never
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: had that. Well, you're older than me. So I had little, oh,
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: maybe you would know. I had little, what are they? Chromebooks? Yeah.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: We had Chromebooks in high school.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: No, but they were like old. I don't even, they,
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: it was before Chromebooks. Little tiny mini laptops. I don't
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: even know what they are. They were the worst things.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: They never worked. You could only use three out of
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: like the 20 that they had. Oh.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: No.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: That sucks.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: I don't remember that.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: No. That sucked.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: There was even a club that met weekly after school
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: to determine that week's winner.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: What?
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Pretty messed up, I know.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Go play, like, when it was 2015.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: Gangnam Style? I don't know.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Gangnam Style was a thing. I don't know. Go outside.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: Even more messed up is the fact that the parents
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: and administration in the school have basically swept the whole
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: thing under the rug.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Of course they are, because they're covering FaZe.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Most of the kids are facing zero consequences for their actions.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: and their victims will most likely never be notified of
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: what really happened. The way the issue was handled by
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: the school really made us confident in our decision to
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: remove our son from there. That is fair. That is fair.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. Yeah, dude, that's crazy. They're just like,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: all right, never do that again, and we're all good.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: We pulled him out last month, and he has been
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: homeschooled ever since. He is still banned from all tech
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: outside of what is needed for schoolwork. The school year
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: is almost over, so he will be homeschooled for the
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: rest of his school year. He is on a probation
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: period for the remainder, and depending on his behavior, he
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: will be allowed to attend another school next year and
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: gain back his online privileges. He is also seeing a
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: professional twice a week, and we think he is starting
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: to really understand why his behavior was 100% unacceptable. Thank
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: you all so much for helping me through this thing.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: You guys really helped me put this into perspective and
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: helped me calm down a bit and not overreact. We've
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: got a little bit left to the story. Do you
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: think this was the right move at the end of,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: you know, finding out all of this information?
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: So I guess since it's the end of the school year,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: it would be hard to get into another school. And like,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know, depending, you know, I'd say end of
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: the school year, I feel like there's like three months left.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: You know, so it's like, Yeah, to put him in
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: another school, you know, for that three months and whatever
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: and make sure he's also not doing the stuff there. Like, yeah,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I get it. But yeah, I agree with Jen Thompson.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Report the school. You can do that. That like needs
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: to stop immediately. And the fact that they are doing
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: nothing about that and it's and they have like weekly
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: like winners. That's actually not healthy at all. And now
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: we're going to have creeps running around.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Ew. Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Not giving the kids any consequences just showed them. That's okay.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think you ultimately made the right decisions for
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: your kid.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Knowing all of the context.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Pulling him out of school. I mean, there's only so much.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Homeschool's great. I think, again, very observant on his technology usage.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I don't think that he should continue to be homeschooled
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: for the remainder of his life. But I think because
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: we found out that this was all over the school...
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: It makes sense.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like the specialist or the therapist will acknowledge, like, maybe, like,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: because also changing the scenery and changing, you know, where
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: kids going to school, especially for him, could have really
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: affected it. So, slow and steady wins the race here.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: But we got a little bit left. I also truly
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: appreciate everyone who PM'd me about their similar experience. I
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: printed out all of the stories I received from people
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: who were catfished or online bullied and made my son
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: read them out aloud.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: I think that is a better way to handle it
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: than having him reach out to the people he catfished.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Seeing the consequences.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: But also, maybe you don't want to hammer it in
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: too hard. Like depends how many private messages. It was
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: like five.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: It depends how many read.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: If it's a hundred. Yeah. I think you would get
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: understand by the 10th.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I think hearing from you all helped him understand that
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: these things are really affecting people. It really helped me
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: force him to understand that by doing what he did,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: he actually ruined lives. I can't thank you guys enough
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: for your openness and willingness to share your stories. Thanks
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: so very much. And Marauder in the final comment says,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: any chance you could go public and let the media
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: know how the school is handling it? OP says, no
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: chance of going public.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I would be.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Sued and possibly deported. Oh, dang. The school is full
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: of wealthy parents with exceptional lawyers. Not worth the risk.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: And thank you.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Greenpuff Delight says, an entire school of
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: future tech bros with their upper strata rich parents. protecting
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: them from all the consequences their psychopathy should have gotten them.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Certainly explains why we have such a huge flood of
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: psychopathic tech pros today. OP says not to worry. These
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: children have learned their lesson. The lesson is I can
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: do whatever I want as long as I have an
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: expensive lawyer.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yep. Oh. There it is.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Does tend to be the lesson.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh my.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that shows.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: And all, I mean, unfortunately there is no way we live,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: you know, we, we, No, firsthand that the trolls are
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: plentiful out there and you can't get rid of all
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: the trolls and all of the catfishers and all the
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: people that will misuse technology and the internet. However, you
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: can teach your children to be better.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Yes. you can teach your children the right and professional
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: way to use electronics. Not for something as weird as
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: pretending who your identity is or what your identity is
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and then bullying people. Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: And it's especially so important, like for any parents out there,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: so important to keep an eye on your young male children. Obviously,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: you want to keep an eye on all of your children,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: but like young boys, especially on the internet, get like
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: just sent down a rabbit hole.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: A bad rabbit hole.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Like just get red pilled. They get in this echo
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: chamber of hating women and.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: And it's very unhealthy.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And then they'll meet this guy. Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: And then they'll meet that guy. And obviously that is
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: not to say that you should not keep an eye
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: on the usage of your young girls because young girls
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: can be influenced by, you know, body image can be
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: influenced and there are many other dangers. But yeah, the
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: point is keep an eye on your children's usage on
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: the internet.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: It's not just males. I know sofa. Sophia doesn't. She
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: only knows women. I've never met a man, Julie. Yeah, no,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I feel like men especially, though, will go into their
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: little chambers.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Well, young boys, I mean, this has been a huge
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: problem of young boys going down, getting taken down this
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: rabbit hole of incel, red pill culture, and they come
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: out hating women and blaming them.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was a young boy, my father took
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: me into the city.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: To see a marching band.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Which was the best day of my life.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, son, when you grow up, would you
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: be the savior?
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Of the broken.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And the victims. All right, we have another story.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: My son wants his wife to quit her job and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: expects me to cover their bills. Maybe your wife needs
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: that job. So we let our son and his wife
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: live in one of our properties rent-free. They are only
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: responsible for gas and electric. We cover everything else, including
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: maintenance and repairs. They recently announced that they are having
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: a child and we are extremely excited and happy for them.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Issue is they told us they wish to have his
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: wife stay home with the child. Which makes no sense
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: because she makes more than my son. So if they
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: want one of them to stay home, it makes more
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: sense for my son to do it. Though I would
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: still be against it because either way they cannot afford
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: to have only one person work. Only reason in theory
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: it would work is... is because they don't have the
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: major living expense of rent to worry about. My son
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and daughter-in-law are acting like I am ruining their time
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: as parents. They feel I am holding them to an
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: unreasonable standard. I told them the reason we have let
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: them live rent-free is because we wanted to give them
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to max out their 401k and save for
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: a house. Dang. Which is so nice. Yeah, that is
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: really nice. You don't usually get that. They're letting you
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: live rent-free. Yeah. It was done to give them a
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: leg up. It was never meant to be a forever thing.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: By the way, this comes from AmbitiousFail42. And if you
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: want to submit your own stories, go to the r
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: slash okay story time subreddit as OP says. Right now,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: my son and his wife are threatening to cut us
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: off and force us to go through eviction to remove them.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: More or less, they are telling us we have to
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: suck it up or they will cut our grandchild out
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: of our lives. Damn. My wife was on board, but
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: does not want to be cut from our only grandchild.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: So she wants us to continue the current agreement, but
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I don't. They have no right to leverage visitation. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: understand my wife's stance, but I think what my son
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: and daughter-in-law are doing is 100% manipulative and wrong. And
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: there are some comments. Yeah, it is.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Because you were doing this. You were letting them not
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: pay rent because you wanted them to save up. Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: make a living, have some money just on the side,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: you know, just being nice. And yeah, no, now they're
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: totally taking advantage and being like, what?
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Well, if you don't let us keep doing that, then
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: you don't get to see your grandkid.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, now you're forcing me to not be nice.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: So extortion. Yes. Oh, there are some comments. What were
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: the terms of the agreement when your son and daughter-in-law
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: moved in? Yes, the agreement was simple. Max out 401ks, save,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: don't live outside their means, and don't expect this to
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: be a forever thing. I did not hound them or
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: remind them of the agreement. I trusted them. When they
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: make plans around us offering indefinite support without asking us,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: that is where I draw the line. They don't have
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: a right to dictate how we spend our money, nor
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: should they assume we would be okay with a plan.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: They should have asked us. That is what we are
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: upset about. They told us their plan. They did not
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: ask if we were okay with offering that level of support.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Why did you originally let them live there rent-free? The
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: intention was to give them a means to save and
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: establish themselves first so they can stand on their own
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: two feet. This was never meant to be a forever
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: living situation. Our hope was that they did start a family.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: They would be established enough to sustain themselves, not need
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: us to cover their housing expenses. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Why do you think your daughter-in-law should continue working instead
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: of your son? My son works as an HHA. He
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: is pretty much capped at what he can earn. He
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: has the better growth potential, higher overall income potential, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: better benefits. Yes, she absolutely hates her job and is
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: deeply unhappy. And as it stands, they have no intention
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: for her to go back to work. She wants to
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: be a stay-at-home mom. What is your son's current job
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: and earning situation? He works as an HHA. for an
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: agency that specializes in dementia care. He enjoys working with
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the elderly. We have offered to help pay for his
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: schooling to become a nurse. He does not want to
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: work construction, though that's how I got into real estate myself.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Why do you believe their plan to have your daughter-in-law
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: stay home is financially unrealistic? If they must have someone
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: stay home, the lower income person should be the one
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: who stays home. They should not expect us to make
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: the cost difference, especially when they did not even ask
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: if we were okay with providing that level of support.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: These are all like the same questions just worded differently.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: What do you think would happen if they had to
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: support themselves on your son's income? Without both their incomes,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: they have a snowball's chance at getting a mortgage. Renting
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: would be possible, but only with both incomes. And that's
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: probably without childcare thrown into the mix. On my son's
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: income alone, he probably could barely afford to provide for them.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: And they are definitely not saving for retirement at that point,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: which in today's age, I feel should be considered a
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: mandatory expense. So the only realistic option to make this
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: work is we cover all the housing expenses indefinitely. They
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: really have no reason to move and they know I
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: cannot evict them. My wife also owns the property and
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: would never let me do that. But if they're not
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: abiding by your rule. But I guess there was nothing
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: ever like actually like written down. There's not like a paper. Yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: there's no there's no like this is all renter's agreement
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: or yeah. Any of that. This was all faith, dust,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: and pixie dust? Faith, trust, and pixie dust. Yes.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, this is tricky.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Pixie dust.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: This is really tricky because they obviously have something that
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: you care about to hold over you, which is your grandchild.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: And you also don't want to put them in the
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: situation of being homeless. No, with a child, yeah, you
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: don't want that. Being in horrific situations. Like housing problems.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: But you also don't want them to walk all over you. Exactly.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: So there should have just been a hard line. There
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: should have been a contract. There should have been something.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: But the thing, there isn't. So I would actually write.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Up a contract. Yes.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And be like, listen. You can live here on these terms. Yes,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: on these terms. Why not simply let them stay there
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: indefinitely if you can afford to do so? This was
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: never meant to be a permanent living arrangement. We never
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: wanted our son to feel because we have means he
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: has or is entitled to what we have. Means. Like
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: financial means. Oh, because he has means.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: He got the means. The meanies bo beanies.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Whatever. Maybe this would have been different had they asked
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: us if we were okay supporting them indefinitely instead of assuming.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Everything starts with a solid foundation. Starting a family while
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: technically not being able to support themselves is not a
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: solid foundation. We can take ownership of that too. Maybe
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: we should have pushed him to get a degree. with
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: an actual ROI. He was always talented and he does
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: use his art talents with his clients and also teaches
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: some classes at the JCC during the summer. Why do
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: you believe they should have enough savings to move out?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: They have been living in the house for nearly five years.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Market rent for a house that is three bed, two
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: bath in our area is around three to 3.5K. They
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: should have over 100K by now if they told us
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: they were looking to get their own place because they
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: were looking to start a family, I would have been
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: more than happy to help them out, since that shows planning, not, hey,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: we're having a kid while living rent-free, knowing that was
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: never the deal. Why don't you simply give them the
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: house or cover all their expenses? Why don't we just
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: give our children all the money? Yeah, why don't we just, like,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: take care of them for the rest of your life? Yeah,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: why don't we just wipe his butt? My mom always says,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: you gotta, you gotta wean, wean off your thing. Wean
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: off that thing. Wean off of it. You, you, You
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: gotta wean off the tit. Yeah, wean off of it, yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: So wean off of it. Like, I can't provide for
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: you all the time for the rest of your life.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Wean off of it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Get to weaning.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Start weaning, boy start weaning boys i think blanket sharing
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: wealth is a bad idea i think providing opportunities to
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: gain wealth is smarter nothing is free they are costing
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: me money that much is certain but it is not
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: about the money It is more, so they came up
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: with this entire plan, but forgot to ask the people
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: that the entire plan hinges on if they were okay
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: with it. They have no plan if we withdrew the support.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Can we get to the actual story instead of all
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: these comments? You can skip forward. You have the power. Yeah,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I'm skipping forward. Why are you so focused on retirement savings? Like.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Wait, but I want to know. Why are they so
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: focused on retirement savings?
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, who would be focused on retiring... Retiring in a
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: timely manner these days.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: What does that even mean?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Huh? Why are you so focused on retirement savings? Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Because I think retirement should be considered a mandatory expense like.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Rent or food. Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I thought I was already said. You should just skip
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: all of these. Consensus.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yay.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Not the a-hole. Yay.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: That's what I think too.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. You're not the a-hole. They're taking advantage
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: of you clearly.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Clearly. There's an update.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: What is this piece doing? Go somewhere.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You whispered too soft. Your voice cut out for a second.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Update. Let's get into it.
• 31:00
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• 31:04
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• 31:06
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  Speaker 3: Five days later, my wife and I spoke and we
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: have come to the agreement. We don't agree with how
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: they reacted to us asking them to pay rent if
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: they wish to go forward with their plan. We are
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: going to talk to them and treat this exactly how
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: we did it with his first car. We will match
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: whatever they have saved and ask them to leave in
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: 90 days over five years between the two of them.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: They should at minimum have 100 K saved up. We
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: will determine what to do with the house later. Five years.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: They've been staying there rent free. Yes.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Five years. They have to have something saved. I mean,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: what would they be spending their money on?
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, if the cost in the area that they
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: want is about $ 3, 000. I mean, that was, I think,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: for a house with three bedrooms or something.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: No, that was an apartment, I think.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: These guys are going to come back and they're going
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to be like, guys, we spent all that money we
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: saved on investments. We invested in digital real estate.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: So... What?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: That's a real thing.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Or it was.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it still is. When the metaverse
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: was becoming a thing, it was like, you can buy
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: digital real estate and it'll grow in value.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah. From not having to pay, they would
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: have saved around $ 100, 000 to $ 180, 000 in those five years.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: But I don't know if they saved any of that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: My cat's name is Karen says, OP waited way too
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: long to have this conversation with his son.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Definitely. Yeah, five years too long.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Five years too late.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, anyway. If they refuse or have not actually saved anything,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: we both agree to sell the house at a loss
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: and let the new owner deal with them. Second option
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: is they pay rent, and we agree $ 1, 500 is fair.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: You cannot find a house or rent in New York
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: City for $ 1, 500. I live in New York City? Jeez.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: And the money will solely go towards maintenance and property taxes.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Whatever is left over when they leave, we will give
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: to them. Though if they stay, we have learned our lesson.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: We will establish everything in writing and it will only
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: be for two years, no more. We will tell them
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: we are happy to help, but it did greatly hurt
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: us that they just assumed we would be okay with
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: supporting them indefinitely without even having a conversation with us.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: They came and told us what was happening and just
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: expected us to smile and be okay with it. That
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: is not right. Especially when they came at us trying
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: to use their unborn child as leverage or state. We
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: will have to evict them. all because we asked them
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: to pay rent. We understand her desire to be with
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: her child, but they also have to understand they need
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: to have that conversation with us if they are building
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: plans around us financially, supporting them to make her goal
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: a reality. We shall see. We are going to give
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: it a week or so to let everyone relax, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: that is our plan of attack. There are some more comments.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Just skip the comments.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Let's see if there are any good, dude.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Stop it! comments by Tulipanzo. If you don't think they're good,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: you can skip. No, read the update. And honestly, this
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: might be the most you're the a-hole post I've seen
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: on this subreddit. Sure, OP, convincing your wife to evict
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: your son was definitely the right move. You frankly don't
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: deserve to see your grandchild ever.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: That's a take.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: That's a take.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: That is a take.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: OP responds, if you read the update, you would have
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: seen that was the last resort option. If they wish
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: to stay and cannot afford $ 1, 500 rent, what hope do
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: they have raising a family of three? If they have
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: been saving for five years, bare minimum they should have
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: $ 100, 000 saved, which means if we match, they will have $ 200, 000.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: They have options, just telling them we are not going
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: to be one of their options like they think we are.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: If they wish to cut us out because we refuse
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: to be taken advantage of, so be it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Update two, three days later.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Okay. All right. Well, I don't know.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I think that you have the answers here, and I
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: want to see how your child takes them.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: The fact that they're like, we'll match your 100K. Yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: and then your son is still upset. No wonder, I mean...
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: They're gonna give you a free 100k. They don't have money.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: They got old money. They got money.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I think these should just become mole people.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Mold people?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Mole.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Mole people. They're gonna live in the mold?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Mold people would be like the family that invented penicillin.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: They made a lot of money, those mold men. No,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: mole people. They should live underground. They should live in
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the subways. They should live in the sewers. Let them
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: become the mutant sewer lords of New York City.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: These are all takes. I think that, OP, you have
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: the best take of them all.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: And set your son straight. You know what, OP? Take this.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Snap out of it! Snap out of what?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: One take to woo them all.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Snap out of, what's it called, of being a little
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: weenie and go talk to your son.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Talk to your son, OP.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: We got to start weaning.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Start weaning.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: We got to wean out.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Start weaning. Ween. Ween-oo, ween-oo.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: That's the ween police.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Ween-oo. Ween-ee police.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: All they play is Ocean Man.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Update two, three days later. Hi, so we spoke with
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: our son and our daughter-in-law. First, my son did apologize
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: for assuming we would be okay, providing the degree of
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: support required for their plan to be sustainable. We then
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: explained to them that our intention was not to pull
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: the rug from them, but we also do not want
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: to be taken advantage of. We asked if they remembered
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: our agreement, and my son said yes, but said since
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: they were getting close to 30, they felt now was
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: the best time to have a child. They also want
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: their child to have a relationship with us, and most importantly,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: wish for their child to have a happy mother. Our
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: daughter-in-law explained that she is utterly miserable at her job.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: She has noticed very unhealthy habits forming, poor sleep, unhealthy eating,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: lack of energy. She's afraid if she continues to work,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: she will be a shell of a mother. Thus why
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: they want to have her quit her job and become
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: a permanent stay-at-home mom. Oh, stay-at-home parent. We told her
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: we understood, but Yeah, so wait, I'm sorry. Their plan is, well,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: you do all that. She's like, how are you going
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: to take care of a child on your income? And
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: they go, well, it's not just my income. It's your income, dad.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Is this what you've done his entire life? Yeah, I
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: wonder if Opie has just.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Kind of bailed him out. And now Opie's like, well,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: you're 30. You should know not to do that now.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I feel like that happens a lot with rich families
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: where the rich parents... Has given them everything, yeah. And
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: then when they think, oh, well, this kid should be
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: independent now, they just pull the rug.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they're like, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: not paying for stuff? How am I supposed to afford that?
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: You didn't provide enough for me. You didn't, and then
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: it's like blame game.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, God, Opie.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it just seems like you weren't really the best.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: You know what? I'll give you grace.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I'll just say this.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: You're cool.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I'll give you grace.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: You're cool. You know what? I'll give you grace.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Are you saying they're cool or they're coal?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: You're cool. We asked about their retirement and savings. Our
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: daughter-in-law told us those would be on the back burner,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: but not forgotten. We asked our son if he had
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: a plan to boost his income, like go back to
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: school and possibly become a nurse, especially since he enjoys
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: working with the elderly as an HHA. My son said
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: he is not against the idea, and they did talk
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: about the possibility, but our daughter-in-law had reservations since... When
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: would he have time with his child? School and work
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: is a lot. This is when we asked about their savings.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: My son said he has saved around $ 67, 000 in a
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: high-yield savings account. This was their house money. Unfortunately, his
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: wife did not save much. She has around $ 25, 000 saved.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Her master's was not cheap. We asked them if the
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: stay-at-home parent was a must-have for them, and they said yes.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: My daughter-in-law said she cannot work anymore. Her job was
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: destroying her. Before we offered our suggestions mentioned in the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: other thread, my wife offered a new one. We agreed
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: to pay for our son's schooling. We will cover daycare
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: costs and cover everything our son has currently been paying,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: but after our daughter-in-law's leave is done. She goes back
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: to work. My wife explained, we do want to give
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: them the best, but they have to be able to
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: stand on their own two feet. My wife told our
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: daughter-in-law that during the time our son is in school,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: her sole duty is to save. Whatever they save, we
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: will match. We will cover our son's expenses so he
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: can focus on just school and being a parent, just
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: like she can focus on work and being a mom.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Though the free ride ends when our son graduates, but
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: the additional time she should be able to save enough
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: for them to get their own small space especially with
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: our matching contribution. My wife did sympathize with them, especially
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: our daughter-in-law. She said she understands they want what is
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: best for their child, but she also told them they
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: have to do so within their own means. Yeah. Asking
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: us to cover everything is not that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: They did ask for an early inheritance, but we simply
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: ignored that request. My wife and I feel they are
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: banking on our inheritance as their retirement and that they
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: have become extremely comfortable with their current arrangement.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I think Opie is more than nice.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, this actually, like... That's so kind. Oh, yeah, no,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: they're like, we want you to be able to stand
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: on your own two feet. I get that they're not, like,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: kicking them to the curb. I don't think that that
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: is correct. They're kicking them to the... Or they're punting
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: them to, like, I don't know, a beach in Cabo. Yeah,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: it's like, all right, well, you're not going to get
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: to go... but you know yeah you can't stay in
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: our house you're not gonna go in the Bahamas but
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know I can give you the Cayman Islands.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah I hear the Cayman Islands is nice this
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: time of year like okay this is so nice that's
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: crazy for OP I don't know it's it's crazy that
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: anyone said OP was the a-hole it's OP literally changed
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: said you can't stay in our house for free however
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: I will pay for your child care and your schooling
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: and match whatever you save which that's great that's so generous.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: It's it's a little too generous in my opinion.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I think that maybe, especially because they asked for the
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: inheritance money early after all that, they were like, can
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: we have the inheritance money right now?
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: The inheritance money really just kind of, this is not
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: a paycheck that you can ask for an advance on.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: That one just like kind of pissed me off because
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: it's one thing to like take advantage, you know, of
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: your parents and whatnot, blah, blah, blah. But for them
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: to like, actually give you like plenty of solutions and
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: like the easiest things. All you have to do is
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: literally go to work and make money and save it
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: because you're not going to pay anything. That's all you
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: have to do. And they're like, well, can we get like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know, more money?
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: What if we get more money? And the problem is
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: that they're going to spend all that inheritance money.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Exactly. They obviously don't know how to save. Yeah. Because
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: five years you've only saved up 67K. Yeah. That is
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: not a lot. I don't.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: There's like no, no. I'm sorry, but no. And then also,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: don't like the fact that the daughter-in-law is just like, well,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I hate my job, so I need to stay home
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: with the baby. And it's like, there are plenty of
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: other jobs you can get. You need to work. You
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: can't just sit around and do nothing, especially when you're
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: not even going to make enough income for the house
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: to provide anything.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I genuinely don't think that these people are unfortunately ready
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: to be parents because they're not willing to take the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: sacrifices that parenting requires.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: They want everything. They know that they can just ask
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: his parents for anything and they will provide in a
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: roundabout way. That's not exactly what they want, but like
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: we'll get something.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: They'll get something out.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Of it, like free schooling and then also free daycare.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: And you still don't have to pay utilities or like,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: or no, they are paying utilities. But you still wouldn't
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: have to pay rent. Like, what do they pay for?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Groceries? I mean, yeah, like groceries or
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I guess like internet or something. I don't even know.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: I want to see how the kids react to this. Yeah,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: the kids. Opie's kids.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just, I don't know. It just seems like
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: you still are giving them everything, and they're still complaining
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: about it. It's like, oh, my God. Like, what do
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: you do?
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: What more can I give you?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Your house.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, house.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I need your clothes, your boots, and your house.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to wean no more. I don't
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: want to wean. Give it to me.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I'm so sick of weaning.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I've weaned too much. Overall, the conversation went nowhere and
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: they stated our ideas would not work.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: They are offering to pay for your school, pay for
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: your rent, pay for daycare. Oh, Like what are, what
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: do you, how would that not work? How wouldn't that work?
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: They're just silly. They're very silly. And you can't help
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: someone who doesn't want to help themselves. I think truthfully,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: it all comes down to the daughter-in-law and how she
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to work. She's like, no, I don't, I
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: don't want the free daycare. Cause I, I just, I
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: want to be like, she'll have an excuse to stay home.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: So she doesn't have to stay home. I do not
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: want to do work.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Like that's her whole thing is like, oh, your parents
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: have enough money to, you know, Why.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Aren't they helping us?
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: So why are we not taking advantage of that?
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe she just discovered the show Lost. And she's like,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of catching up to do. I
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: don't really have time to get a job. I got
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: to watch like seven or eight seasons.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Do you understand how many seasons there are?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: There's so many seasons of Lost and nobody knows what
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: any of it means.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm so lost right now.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: She's like, I just actually picked up Survivor. I'm starting
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: with the first season.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: And that's like the longest running reality TV show.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I simply don't have the time. I'll figure out how
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: to make watching Survivor into an income stream. Don't worry
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Don't you worry. I'm sure they'll pay me eventually.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: After I've seen all the shows, I'm going to compete
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and I'll still be pregnant.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: And that's money.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: So they're just not. So you had this conversation and nothing,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: nothing happened. So let's see what's next.
• 45:56
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• 45:59
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• 46:01
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• 46:04
  Speaker 3: So we are selling the house. We acknowledge that this
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: will forever destroy our relationship with them, but we also
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: acknowledge if we cave, they will forever use access to
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: their baby as a tool to get what they want.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: They truly feel we should provide for them so their child,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: our grandchild, can have the best since we can afford it.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: They even brought up sending their child to private school.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: For what it is worth, I do not know if
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: this is all my son's idea, but he is going
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: along with it, so it is what it is. Yeah, no,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: it's the daughter-in-law. And she's, I mean, also it's, they
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: both play a hand in it, but it's just the
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: fact that like, she just doesn't want to work. She
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to work. And she's like, oh, now I
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: have an excuse not to work. There's a child I
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: have to take care of.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: I'll just do that.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: And then what happens when you hate being a parent?
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Are you going to quit that too? That's the, that's
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: what I'm worried about. She's going to start parenting the
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: kid and realize, well, this is so much work. We
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: should hire a nanny or we should hire, we should
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: take them to daycare and then I can go home
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: and watch Survivor.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: It's literally like, It's Hamilton. She will never be satisfied.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: And you know what? I can't live with that. I
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: think you're doing the right thing, truthfully, like selling the
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: house and letting someone else deal with them because now
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: they're screwed.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they've rejected all of the help that you've given.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Now they're going to be, I mean, hopefully not in debt,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: but now they're going to have to pay rent and
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: utilities and also, I don't know if he decides to
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: go to school or anything. Dakota, give this son and
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: daughter-in-law the most French steward you can manage.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Yes. Hmm. Hmm.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: But that's the end of that story, and we've got
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: another one coming right up. My father begged me to
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: hide his secret child, and I carried it alone for
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: three years. Ooh, girl, you gotta let that out. I,
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: 23 female, found out in June 2023 that my dad,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: 54 male, had a child with another woman.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, wait. June 2023, how old was the... Daddy,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: 54 male. 54, okay. That was just a lot of
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: info right off the bat.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I found out by accident. I borrowed his phone to
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: call someone and a message notification came up from a
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: woman named Karen with a photo of a little girl
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: who looked exactly like my dad. I confronted him alone
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: that same night and he broke down and admitted everything.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: The girl is now four years old. He begged me
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: not to tell my mom, 51 female, and said he
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: was handling it. that it was complicated, that Karen had
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: agreed to keep things quiet, and that telling mom would
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: destroy our family. You already destroyed our family four years ago,
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: so I'm telling her.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: No, I... Immediately.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. If it has anything to do with my family,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I'm telling them immediately. I was 20 years old sitting
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: across from my father watching him cry. And I said, OK,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I kept that secret for three years. Every family dinner,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: every holiday, every time my mom talked about how much
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: she trusted my dad, I sat there and said nothing.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: It affected me more than I told anyone.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: I started therapy in early 2024 specifically because of the
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: anxiety this secret was giving me.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: That's messed up for him to do that to his child.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: To his child, 20 years old. My therapist never told
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: me what to do, but kept asking me how long
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: I was willing to carry something that was not mine
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: to carry.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Good therapist. By the way, this comes from Gwendolyn Kingsford.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: And if you want to submit your own stories, go
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: to the r slash OK Storytime subreddit and hope he says.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Last month in June, 2026, my dad sat me down
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: and told me Karen was threatening to tell my mom
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: herself unless he started paying more. He wanted me to
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: help him figure out how to keep it quiet. That
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: was the moment something snapped. I told him I was done.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: I could not keep doing this. Two days later, I
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: sat down with my mom and told her everything.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: She was devastated. She is currently staying.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: With her sister and has spoken to a divorce lawyer.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: My dad is furious and says I betrayed him and
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: destroyed our family. That's rich. That's so funny. And you
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: didn't betray mom and destroy our family with your secret
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: affair and a fair child?
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: What an idiot.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: My younger brother, 19 male, says I should have stayed
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: out of it. My therapist says I made the right
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: call for my own mental health without telling me it
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: was right or wrong. I genuinely do not know if
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: I did the right thing or just the thing I
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: could no longer avoid doing.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Am I the a-hole?
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: And we do have relevant comments.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: But what do you think? I do not think you
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: are the a-hole. No. He's the a-hole for one, doing
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: it and asking you to lie about it for three years. Terrible,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: terrible parenting thing. That is horrible to do to your
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: own child. To force your child to carry your burden. Yes.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: It's like, I had nothing to do with this. And
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: if I, if she hadn't found out it, Like, it
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: was still going on. It was still happening. I mean,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: at least to the extent that he still had a kid,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: she wasn't going anywhere. Yeah, exactly. And then, like, all
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, she's like, oh, well, now I need money,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: so I'm going to, you know, extort you. And it's like, dang.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, don't freaking do it in
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: the first place. I don't know. Just be loyal. Oh, sorry.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Too much to ask. Too hard for him.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Relevant comments says, imagine how your mom feels. You didn't
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: just know. You knew for three years and kept it
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: from her. I would feel as though you betrayed me
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: as well. Opie says that's fair. And honestly, it's the
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: part I keep sitting with most. I didn't tell her
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: for three years. And yeah, when I finally did it,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: it was because I couldn't carry it anymore. Not some
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: noble timing on her behalf. I don't think that makes
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: me the villain, but I get why it doesn't look
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: clean either. Update nine days later. My mom is still
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: staying with my aunt and has already met with a
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: divorce lawyer to understand her options. Although nothing has been
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: officially filed yet. She told me that while the affair
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: itself broke her heart, what hurt even more was realizing
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: my dad had been lying to her for years and
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: had asked me to carry that secret alone.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That would be like, not only did you, like
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: if I were in the mom's, yeah, I would be like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: not only did you lie and cheat on me, you
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: also made our daughter do it.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: And then got upset with her when she couldn't do
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: it anymore.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: And like, who does that?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: She kept apologizing for not noticing how much it had
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: affected me, and I kept reminding her none of this
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: was her fault. My dad is still blaming me and
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: insists I destroyed our family instead of giving him more
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: time to fix things. But I honestly don't know how
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: anyone fixes secretly having another child.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: We haven't really spoken since.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: It's just proof of the mistakes that you made.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Living, breathing proof that is probably going to be
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: there forever.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Forever. Forever.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Got a little bit left to the story. Do you
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: think this was all the right moves? Any final thoughts
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: for Opie?
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Truthfully, Opie, I don't want to make you the villain,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: but you kind of are in a way that you
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: didn't tell your mom for three years, but I also
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: understand you didn't, you know, but I don't know. Like
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: the dad is like a whole like 100%. I give
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: you like 50%.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously OP has an element of blame, but
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: what a, what a terrible position to be put in
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: between your mother and your father. Yes. To be like, Oh,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: and like knowing this at 20 and also probably going
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: through school and whatever.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: But I do agree.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: But like you do have an element of, you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: like you kept this secret for three years and it
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: destroyed you.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: You know, imagine how you were, you know, imagine what
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: your mom's feeling. Cause it is, it's like, Not only
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: was I betrayed by, you know, my husband, but also
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: by my daughter. But, you know, I understand, like, why
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: you didn't, but also, you know, you can't give that
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: time back.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: But you can, you know, make improvements going forward.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: My younger brother has calmed down a little, even though
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: he's still upset about everything. And I think he's starting
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: to understand why I couldn't keep the secret anymore. I
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: still haven't met Karen or my half-sister, and I don't
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: know what will happen there. I have continued going to therapy,
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: and while everything still hurts, I also feel a strange
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: sense of relief because I'm no longer carrying a secret
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: that was never mine to keep. Reading the comments on
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: my original post helped me realize that I didn't create
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: this situation, just stopped protecting it.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Truthfully, yeah. I know, because it's not... It's
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: not your fault that he went and cheated, obviously, but
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: it is your fault for not sharing that secret, you know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: which is not something that would affect to who it
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: is affecting.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Which is not something that you can do anything about now.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: More so than you've already done.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: But you can work to improve.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Your relationship with your mom and regain her trust.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: We're sure. I refuse to let my ex's parents ruin
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: my daughter's Christmas.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Stop! Grinch!
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: A short backstory.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Me, 36 male, and my ex-wife, 34 female, let's call
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: her Jessica, have an 11-year-old daughter together. We can call
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: her Olivia. Me and Jessica divorced six years ago, and
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: she moved to a different region to be with her
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: new boyfriend, a six-hour drive away. By the way, this
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: comes from LateOrganization192, and if you want to submit your
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: own stories, go to the r slash OKStoryTime subreddit. That's
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: what he says. Our daughter stayed with me, and we
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: have had a legal argument over where our daughter should live.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: The courts decided that our daughter should live with me
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: since we have lived in this town since our daughter
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: was three years old. My ex's son, George, 15, lives
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: with her, and the siblings do not have the best relationship.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: So to the issue... My ex's parents, Bradley and Regina,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: are not the best people. They're very self-absorbed and snobby.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Bradley and Regina. Those are snobby names. Sorry to any
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Bradley and Regina's. They are very self-absorbed and snobby. Looked
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: down on everyone except people who are wealthier than them.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: And that showed in my marriage. They looked down on
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: me and made my ex always feel bad about her
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: looks where she is on the chubby side. They hated
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: our relationship and did everything they could to break us up.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: And.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: They were successful with that about a year before our divorce.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: They also show favoritism towards my ex's son, George. He
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: gets everything he has ever wanted from Bradley and Regina,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: and especially Bradley, when Olivia gets only afterthoughts. That's so sad.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Why are you doing that to kids? Thank you to
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: the kids. Stop it.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Stop.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: For example, they gave George a brand new, very expensive
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: bicycle three years ago. But Olivia was at her mother's
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: house at the time and they took her to the
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Salvation Army to find her a bicycle. What? Which I
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: noticed when Olivia came home needed a lot of maintenance
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: to be able to be used. Well, yes. That's so sad.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Don't get a bike from the Salvation Army. At least
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: go to like Walmart or something. I don't know. This
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: is our Facebook marketplace. Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: That's just like the blatant favoritism is really sad.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: The same thing happens with regular birthdays and Christmas gifts.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: George gets big, extravagant, and expensive gifts, but Olivia gets
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: socks or a coloring book. Olivia always comes very disappointed
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: back home from Christmas because of this. Olivia is supposed
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: to go and stay with Jessica during Christmas this year.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Jessica told me she would send them to her parents
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: four days before she could go, but I told her
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: I am not happy with Olivia going to stay with
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: them without Jessica. Um, no. I don't think you're any
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: hope for that. No.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Clearly, her grandparents have a lot of, well, they just
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: are showing favoritism.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: And I don't even, would she want to go?
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Does she want to go there?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Seems like they're not very nice to her.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah. I think that she doesn't want to say
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: because I feel like he just notices it. Yeah. But
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: she doesn't really say anything. But she comes home, you know,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: kind of more disappointed. Yeah. Which is understandable. So I
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: would say, I don't know, maybe have the talk with her. Yeah,
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: and say, like, hey, do you like? Yeah, do you
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: want to? Is that okay? Or would you rather, like,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: we can change your tickets, you stay with me a
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: little longer, and then go see your mom. Like, is
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: that all right? I feel like that's reasonable. I agree.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Throw some comments. Comment number one, knocked the a-hole. And
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: I gotta ask, are you and the girl's mother the
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: same race?
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Ooh, that is a great question.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Good questions.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: OP responds, yes we are. The reason my ex-in-laws dislike
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: me is I don't have a university degree. Just a
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: journeyman license as a mechanic from a gymnasium high school.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: They dislike all their son and daughters-in-laws. They have three
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: other children and four more grandchildren that get the same
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: treatment with this favoritism where George is their absolute favorite grandchild.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: They have even stated this publicly at a family gathering.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: That's so messed up. You are our favorite grandchild. Did
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: you hear that, kids? This one's our favorite.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Now think of all the things you could have done differently.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe if you shape up next year, you'll be
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: our favorite.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Go get a degree, peasant.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Comment two.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping you have first refusal or a legal right
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: to make these decisions. You are very much not the
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: a-hole and should continue to limit your daughter's exposure to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: these people whenever you can. OP responds, I do have
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: the first refusal as her primary custodian. Yep. Custi- Oh,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: it is custodian. Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: What did you think it was? I... Custodian.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know. When I think custodian, I don't think,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I think of a janitor.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Custodian.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Opie responds, I do have the first refusal as her
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: primary custodian. The other clause in the custody agreement is
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: that Olivia goes to her mother every other weekend, but...
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Longer breaks aren't set in stone. Comment number three says,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: I would ask your ex why she is so supportive
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: of the unfair treatment of your daughter. How exactly she
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: justifies wanting to leave her unprotected in the environment. Not
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: the a-hole.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Good questions.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: OP responds, she has always been enabling her parents. She
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: was raised by three self-absorbed people. They know how to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: manipulate my ex-wife, how to guilt her into doing what
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: they want. I think she is scared to push back.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: They reply, is she able to articulate that? Does she
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: not realize that the kids are being treated differently? Are
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: you able to force parenting classes? In my area, parenting
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: classes are mandatory and additional classes can be required if
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: one parent is able to show questionable decisions. It seems
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: that she needs to get herself into some counseling. When
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: your daughter cuts her off in a few years, she's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: going to be crying and saying, what did I ever do? Oh,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: and comment number four is downvoted. Let's see what they said.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: You're the a-hole. Olivia's four years younger than George, so
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: it's logical that she'll be given gifts of a different
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: type and caliber. Since Olivia is scheduled to spend Christmas
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: with her mother, Olivia should be on a plane to
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  Speaker 3: her grandparents as determined by her mother. You have no
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  Speaker 3: say in those arrangements. She's got a little bit of say.
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  Speaker 4: And also, yes, you're going to get different gifts if
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  Speaker 4: you are significantly younger than the other kid.
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  Speaker 3: However, you can get two new bikes for different ages,
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  Speaker 3: you know? That is a thing, yep. They sell them
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  Speaker 3: in all different ages and size. Yeah, you could have
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  Speaker 3: just gotten everyone a bike. Instead, he got, like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a bike, and she got, like, a coloring book.
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  Speaker 4: Not the same.
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  Speaker 3: Not that anyone should be keeping track, but, like, that
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  Speaker 3: is a significant difference.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have to keep track of that. It's
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  Speaker 4: pretty out there and open.
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  Speaker 3: OP responds, the gifts are just an example of favoritism.
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  Speaker 3: They have other grandchildren that they also dismiss the same
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  Speaker 3: as Olivia with gifts and manners. They have publicly stated
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  Speaker 3: towards their children that George is their favorite grandchild.
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  Speaker 2: Update!
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy. So, for everyone who has been advising me
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  Speaker 3: to get a lawyer involved, I have a family lawyer
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  Speaker 3: on retainer. She did advise me on canceling my reservations
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  Speaker 3: and changing Olivia's ticket. So I have been getting tons
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  Speaker 3: of messages where Bradley and Regina are trying to guilt
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  Speaker 3: me on my decision. I have spoken numerous times now
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  Speaker 3: with Jessica, my ex-wife, about their behavior. She knows how
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  Speaker 3: they operate and she sees the problem, but she is
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  Speaker 3: not willing to stand up to her parents as they
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  Speaker 3: will then cut her off if she does and she
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  Speaker 3: won't be able to keep her lifestyle afloat. So it's
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  Speaker 3: not worth traumatizing your child. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, okay. I then got a phone call from my
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  Speaker 3: attorney on Thursday. She told me that their lawyer has
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  Speaker 3: contacted me about this matter and they are trying to
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  Speaker 3: sanction me for blockage of visitation. The truth is she
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  Speaker 3: is going, but four days later. Also, grandparents' rights do
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  Speaker 3: not exist in our country, so they don't have a
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  Speaker 3: case since Olivia will be sent straight to them And
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  Speaker 3: she's supposed to stay there four days unsupervised before Jessica
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  Speaker 3: will arrive. There's a little bit left here. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're doing the right thing. Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're just trying to protect your daughter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're in your daughter's best interest. Jessica's in Jessica's best interest. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, where's the money?
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  Speaker 4: Where can I get the money?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like, if I don't, if I, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like take Olivia's side, they're not going to give me
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  Speaker 3: my allowance for the week. You don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: I really need my mommy and daddy's money.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. All right. The visitation that the court allotted
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  Speaker 3: Jessica is every other week, but longer breaks are to
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  Speaker 3: be discussed for each time. So according to my lawyer,
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  Speaker 3: I am not blocking visitation since Olivia will be with
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  Speaker 3: Jessica the weekend before and she is going during Christmas also.
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  Speaker 3: I have now sold my brother-in-law my tickets so he
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  Speaker 3: will join my sister and and my parents to a
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  Speaker 3: Christmas concert in my parents' town that I was going
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  Speaker 3: to attend with my family. But me and Olivia will
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  Speaker 3: instead enjoy quality time together at home before she leaves
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  Speaker 3: for Christmas, since I had taken those days off to
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  Speaker 3: travel to my parents. Thank you all for these lovely comments.
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  Speaker 3: It really helped me to gain confidence in myself again,
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  Speaker 3: since my ex-in-laws have been bombarding me with messages to
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  Speaker 3: guilt trip me and to belittle me. Yeah. There you go.
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  Speaker 4: You're welcome, OP. We've saved the day again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it. Okay. You're not... Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Just make sure that you're champening. Championing? Champening. Make sure
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  Speaker 4: you're chompening.
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  Speaker 1: My name's Jack Chompening. Jack Chompening, star of Avatar.
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  Speaker 3: Make sure you're championing your child.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: And chomping.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: And chomping. Chomping your champs.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: Chomping at the bit. But we've got comments from the video.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: I dumped my boyfriend for his brother.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 4: And this was posted September 4th, 2026. TLDR from story one,
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  Speaker 4: Opie has been with her hot and cold boyfriend, Robert,
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  Speaker 4: for three years, but has grown closer to his brother, Luke,
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  Speaker 4: who has confessed his love for her more than once.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: After Robert humiliates her at a wedding and Luke shows
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: up to comfort her, Opie realizes she may be in
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: love with the wrong brother. If you're curious to know
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: the full story, you can go watch the full video,
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  Speaker 4: but we've got comments.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm going to read them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Our first comment is from Jake D. Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Monkey D. Luffy.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: First story kind of feels like reading Jaws. With the shark.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: You'll hate the characters, but you'll find yourself rooting for
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the shark to eat them. I was hoping a shark
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: would randomly come out of nowhere and eat OP, her boyfriend.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: And the brother.
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  Speaker 4: That is quite the take.
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  Speaker 1: People want what they want, okay?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Quite the take.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Taylor Kichu4683 says, OP doesn't need Robert or Luke. I
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: ship OP with a therapist. Yes. We ship therapy on
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: this show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We want therapy on this show.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: That's our number one ship, honestly.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: The therapy and all of, therapy with all of the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: people that we read about.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: ADJWindu70, Mice Window, says, for S1, leave the entire family behind.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty strong thought there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe. I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: And Francis Metheral4919 says, First story, the last update actually
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. She cares for them both. She knows the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: brothers are trying to heal the relationship. She knows if
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: she gets with Luke, that is a permanent end to it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: She'll forever be the source of that. She'll feel guilty
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: every time she looks at Luke. And that's no foundation
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: for a relationship.
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  Speaker 3: No, it ain't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you noticed it. For the first time ever,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: she is choosing herself. She doesn't want to be in
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: that mess anymore.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: And I'm proud of her for that. Nice. There you go.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: There you have it.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: And if you're curious to know the full story, go
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: watch the full episode. Go check it out.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Go check it out. If you're curious to know the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: full episode, you go in there and go watch it.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: But that's the end of those comments and the end
• 1:07:47
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