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- Lucas: So there's a new survey out that says more than half of American workers are 'truly satisfied' with their jobs. That's the highest reading in decades. Luna: And the Fed cares about this because... a happy worker is less likely to quit? Lucas: Exactly. The quits rate has been drifting lower for months, and job satisfaction is a big reason why. When people stay put, employers don't have to compete as hard for replacements. That should, in theory, ease wage pressure. Luna: But wage growth hasn't really cooled that much. We're still seeing around 4 percent annual increases in average hourly earnings. Lucas: Right, and that's the puzzle. The Fed has been watching this disconnect. If workers are satisfied and staying, why are wages still sticky? One answer is that satisfaction doesn't mean workers are unwilling to ask for more—they just want raises at their current job instead of switching. Luna: So the 'Big Stay' phenomenon might actually be keeping wage pressure inside firms rather than out in the open market. Lucas: That's a good way to put it. And that makes the Fed's job harder. Because if wages keep rising even with low turnover, that feeds into services inflation, which is the stickiest part of the PCE index. Luna: Speaking of PCE, we got the May reading last week. Core PCE came in at 3.4 percent year-over-year, up from 3.3 percent. Lucas: Yeah, and that's above the Fed's 2 percent target by a healthy margin. The Fed Funds rate is at 3.63 percent right now, basically flat since the last meeting. So the real question is: does a satisfied workforce mean the Fed can hold steady, or does it mean they need to stay tight longer? Luna: I'd think satisfaction signals stability—less churn, less disruption. That should be good for productivity, maybe even help bring inflation down. Lucas: You'd think so. But historically, when workers feel secure, they're more likely to demand higher pay. And the data on quits might be misleading. The quits rate is low, but that could also mean workers are 'trapped' in jobs they don't love because the market is uncertain. The survey we're referencing actually asks about satisfaction, not just job tenure. Luna: What did the survey find exactly? I read the CNBC headline but didn't dig into the details. Lucas: The survey, from the Conference Board, found that 52 percent of respondents said they were 'very satisfied' with their jobs. That's up from 48 percent last year and the highest since they started tracking it in the 1970s. The biggest gains were in professional services and leisure and hospitality. Luna: Leisure and hospitality? That sector has been a hot mess for turnover. Wages there have been soaring. Lucas: Exactly. So even in a sector where wages have risen fast, workers are happier. That suggests that pay wasn't the only issue—working conditions, flexibility, maybe even the end of pandemic-era chaos are helping. Luna: So how does the Fed actually incorporate this kind of soft data? They've said they prefer hard data like payrolls and CPI. Lucas: Chair Powell has acknowledged that sentiment data can be a leading indicator. If satisfaction remains high, the Fed might assume the labor market is 'tight but stable'—which argues against cutting rates. But if satisfaction suddenly drops, that could signal a brewing downturn, and they'd want to ease. Luna: Interesting. So this survey is almost like a canary for the labor market's mood. Lucas: Exactly. And right now, the canary is chirping. That said, the Fed's primary focus remains inflation. Core PCE at 3.4 percent is still too high. The 10-year breakeven inflation rate ticked up to 2.24 percent, so market-based inflation expectations are creeping up too. Luna: That's a concern. If expectations become unanchored, the Fed would have to hike again. But they've been on hold since January. Lucas: Right, and the Fed Funds rate has been at 3.63 percent since May. The effective rate barely budged—down from 3.64 to 3.63. So the message is: we're comfortable here for now, but we're watching everything, including how happy workers are. Luna: I guess the question is whether the Fed can use job satisfaction as a 'soft' reason to hold steady, or if they'll need harder evidence. Lucas: Knowing this Fed, they'll want to see more than one survey. But the trend is worth noting. If job satisfaction stays high through the summer, and quits stay low, the Fed might conclude that the labor market has found a new equilibrium. Luna: And that could support a 'higher for longer' stance, even if GDP slows a bit. Lucas: Exactly. The flip side is that if inflation doesn't moderate, they may have to act regardless of how happy workers are. Luna: Speaking of acting, what about the international side? There's been a lot of noise around the Strait of Hormuz and the UK election. Could those affect the Fed? Lucas: Indirectly. Oil prices have been volatile, and the UK election could shift trade policies. But the Fed's primary mandate is domestic. Powell has said they watch global developments, but they don't set policy based on foreign elections. Luna: Fair. But energy prices do feed into headline inflation, and that affects consumer sentiment. Lucas: Absolutely. If oil spikes, confidence could drop, and job satisfaction might fall too. That's the kind of connection the Fed monitors in real time. Luna: So the job satisfaction data is one piece of a much larger puzzle. Lucas: Right. And it's a piece that's gotten less attention than payrolls or CPI. But as we've seen, it correlates with wage dynamics and quits, which are central to the Fed's inflation outlook. Luna: If walking through the economy with us has made something click, it's worth noting that listener support is what keeps this ad-free. You can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Lucas: Yeah, and we really appreciate the people who pitch in. It helps us dig deeper into data like this job satisfaction survey. Luna: So back to that survey—do you think the Fed will mention it in the next FOMC minutes? Lucas: Probably not by name. But I think we'll see language about 'labor market conditions remaining strong' with 'low quits' and 'stable wage growth'. That's the satisfaction story in Fedspeak. Luna: In other words, the Fed will say a lot without saying much. Lucas: That's the job. But for us, it's fun to read between the lines. The next meeting is in late July, and the data between now and then will be crucial. Luna: We'll be watching for job satisfaction, quits, and of course, the inflation numbers. Lucas: Exactly. And if you want to dive into the raw data, the Conference Board survey is public. It's worth a look if you're into labor economics. Luna: I think I'll check it out. Thanks, Lucas. Lucas: Thanks, Luna. And thanks to our listeners for spending time with us.