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Gauging Depth with Mike McDaniel · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the boundary Corner Podcast Thursday night,
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  man, that thirsty, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, buddy.
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  We back at it again. Back at it again, it's Thursday.
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  I think we can say Braun summer is officially here.
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  I don't know, I think so. I think so we had a weekend
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  there of rain and some cooler weather weather but turned
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  around for us. I think we're looking pretty
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  good, man. Absolutely.
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  I mean this weekend looks great. Going to be like mid 80s.
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  Probably hit the pool up one day.
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  You know, get the kids outside. Have a lot of good phone about
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  you. Well, hold on.
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  Congratulations, Brian. Thank you gradually, folks,
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  Brian this week, put a contract on a house.
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  Something he is, then he and his wife and his family have been
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  working for last really year, man.
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  And you texted me, like, I'm already like doing this.
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  I'm like, ooh, Brian we get to design your man cave.
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  Got the bank, a we got the double deck on the back, so I'm
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  pumped, it's going to be a going to be a good time once we
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  finally get in there. So closing, Probably by the end
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  of the month. So looking forward to a buddy.
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  Awesome. Whoops.
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  Tonight, we're actually bringing on a special guest Mike McDaniel
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  from the sons of Saturday's going to be joining us here in
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  just a second and we are going to be looking at the Hokie depth
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  chart given it some grades talking through it with Mike
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  about where we're seeing what he's saying for this upcoming
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  20, 21 Seasons. So without further ado, Let's
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  have Mike. Come on.
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  Hey Mike. How you doing tonight?
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  Supports, we are having a good Thursday here.
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  Good. Like I said I've got some
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  drinks. Enjoying the nice weather we've
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  had today. How about you got my bourbon
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  just for the occasional gentlemen.
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  Yes sir, here we go Mike that's really weird like currently good
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  things with your Boston teams today the Sox took care of
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  Houston 521 Bruins up 1-nothing. I got that in the Islanders on
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  the TV here. Me too.
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  Not a fun day, not a fun week for basketball.
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  I don't. Yeah, don't even don't even get
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  started, man. It was a, it was a brutal season
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  for my Celtics. I was hoping that they put
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  something together in the playoffs and then they before
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  the first series happens or they are Jalen Browns out for the
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  year. I'm like, all right, well, we
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  don't have a prayer against the Nets and then all year, they
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  have Kemba Walker resting on the second night of back to backs
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  and they were like, all right, this is so he'll be ready for
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  the playoffs, and you won't be hurt.
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  Hurt and lo and behold he gets hurt in the playoffs.
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  I'm like, man if they had just played him on the second night
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  of back-to-back. We probably avoid the Nets in
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  round 1 but there you go. Yeah, all hell.
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  Broke lose Inge retires and Brad Stevens is.
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  Now president of basketball operations, I'm not even sure
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  he's even qualified for so total mass.
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  I've no idea what's going to happen and they just put a
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  complete bomb to it once once everything went South, man.
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  Oh yeah, I just I'm a die-hard Celtics fan, so it was really
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  hard season for me. So wait a second, is the?
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  So the Kendrick Perkins is the fake thing.
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  I saw that in like it's Perkins even coaching immediately
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  immediately check to see if he account was fake because I was
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  like, wait a second. Kevin Curtis is now this is not
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  right to not happen. Italy is not qualified for
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  basketball Lobster, you tired, Kendrick Perkins as head coach.
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  So go get not only drinking bourbon just to have us a good
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  time tonight. He's he's soaking a little miss
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  Zuri. Yeah.
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  I mean it's the waiting all week for that drink boys.
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  There we go. It's all of us, man.
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  I mean, hey, but hey like I told Brian before we you joined us
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  summer is here. 8, being the highest confidence
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  of where we feel all three of us and then we're going to talk
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  about it. Look at depth things.
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  I see things Brian sees obviously things, Mike sees and
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  let's let's jump right into it and let's start with these
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  literally most important position.
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  For the Hokies, you know, really since 1995.
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  Let's start with the quarterback.
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  Mike I'm going to let you have the honors since you are wearing
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  your pilot's hat there, one through eight.
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  What's your confidence level? First of all for the quarterback
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  room depth-wise. All right.
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  Well I mean this is a lot of this depends on you know the
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  health of Braxton Burmeister because if he gets hurt prophets
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  plummets and Not if it's, when voice right look for.
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  See a lot of quarterback Powers, man.
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  I get it, like, I get it. They're trying to put weight on
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  them and, you know, they, he wants to be, you know, in a
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  better spot health-wise so that he can carry a brunt of the load
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  at the quarterback position. And we know Brad cornelison
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  loves to run his quarterbacks. I just man, I am nervous about
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  it, man. I'm nervous about it.
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  I just, I think Burmeister is a Capable quarterback.
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  You know, I think when he was healthy towards the end of last
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  year, we saw what he was capable of.
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  Certainly had a really good game against UVA.
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  He's very athletic can run very well.
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  I was surprised at how, well, he threw the ball.
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  The last couple times, we saw him last year and I'm willing to
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  chalk up the beginning of the year and his struggles to you.
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  No one being kind of thrown into the fire or two.
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  We knew he was banged up, he was banged up in Fall camp and then
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  he's playing a bit hobbled. And thrown into kind of a tough
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  situation there. And you know what, I think just
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  was honestly Justin Fuente as quarterback going into the year
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  last year. It's not something I believed at
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  the time but it's something that you know as the year went on you
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  know I feel like if Burmeister was a little bit more healthy.
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  I think that Fuente would have considered going back to him
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  earlier than he did handed hooker.
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  Did not have a good year last year and I love tendon hooker.
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  I like when Burmeister displaying early and you know,
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  it was clear, he wasn't Right. I was thinking, man, it we got
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  to get hooker back and then, you know, understood that with the
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  covid, everything else? You know that was the reasoning
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  behind him, not playing early in the year and I just I like
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  Burmeister. I think he has an opportunity to
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  play. Well, if he's able to stay on
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  the field, I give this a confidence of like a for though,
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  like right in the middle because I feel like there is upside
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  there, but I am very concerned because the depth is just not
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  where it needs to be Knocks kadem.
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  Admirable effort against Clemson.
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  He's not a power. Five quarterback, at least not
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  in the starting capacity. Connor blumrich wasn't even a
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  quarterback at A&M. I don't know what they're even
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  doing there. He can't be really considered a
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  legitimate that piece in my opinion.
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  I mean he wasn't playing quarterback and am he was moving
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  all around the field and then didn't see him as a quarterback.
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  I'd get they had Kellen Monde but you know, if he's not even
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  capable the backup role there, why is he a backup at Virginia
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  Tech and Taj Bullock is true freshman like yeah there's a
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  true freshman especially one that wasn't here for spring
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  practice. It wasn't like Bullock was an
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  early enrollee if he was I could see them.
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  Maybe turning to him. But the fact that he's not
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  coming on campus until really like right now makes it really
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  hard for me to imagine that he has a role plus he's a little
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  bit raw. You know what I mean?
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  And you know Josh Jackson. You guys remember when Fuente
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  first got here Josh Jackson came in.
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  And was a legitimate Contender for a starting quarterback as a
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  true freshman, you know, which Rod Evans and there was an
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  opportunity for him to for him to play Early.
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  Obviously did play early as a redshirt freshman earlier than I
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  think. We all thought, yes, we can pick
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  Evans was coming, was going to come in and then leave after a
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  year, but, you know, 20 is not afraid to play young guys.
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  I just don't think Bolick is going to be in that situation to
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  play early, so it's it's going to be dicey if and when
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  Burmeister dead It's hurt because it's track record of
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  staying healthy. Is obviously not very good.
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  Yeah, I'm actually a little more pessimistic than you at this
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  position and it starts and ends with Braxton Burmeister is
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  Health. Yep.
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  Because as much as we run the football with the quarterback
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  quarterback Powers, other design runs and then some of our play
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  calling in the passing game, gives the opportunity for the
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  quarterback to take off a lot. So I just I don't feel All
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  comfortable about his health and I feel zero confidence with
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  pretty much everybody behind him more than you know, spot duty to
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  like finish a game or something like that.
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  I feel like Doc's could to do okay in that capacity but if
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  he's starting more than one game, I mean it's a rap.
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  I mean that's that. That's not what you want to see.
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  I'm giving that that that's going to be my lowest grade is
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  good. Grade one there solely because I
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  don't trust Braxton's health and I feel like we don't have
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  anything to inspire confidence behind him.
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  What are we gonna do? That I'm with Brian.
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  It's a one that we're we're going to have to literally go
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  triple option offense, if Braxton gets hurt, and run the
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  ball, 65 times of game and same kind of Bloomberg, run the show
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  from like, listen, listen, listen, the only reason I gave
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  it a great as high as I did is because I'm thinking
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  optimistically saying he'll start more than we expect.
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  If that's not the case. What you're saying?
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  He at least gets a full, eight games.
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  You're Least a full eight games played games, give me give me
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  two thirds of the schedule and what's this?
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  Hey, that guy's we would take that one we.
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  Yeah, I mean yeah, monitoring this situation.
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  Yeah, I take a full eight games and maybe, you know, at least
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  half of to others. The only misses two full games
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  we can deal with that. Maybe.
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  Yeah, low confidence. No confidence.
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  We're super low confidence because it's nothing behind it.
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  Well actually, Himself. He used to, if you told me
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  Braxton played 12, games fully healthy at the levels, we saw
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  him near the end of last year. I feel super good about the
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  room. Definitely, what I don't feel
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  confident is. If you guys both mentioned it,
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  it's a propensity to how we run the quarterbacks you can't, and
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  you can't run Braxton General because he's not built like
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  Gerard or Josh or Hendon or Quincy.
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  He is a smaller built guy fast. Don't get me wrong.
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  Like I think I remember the first time he pulled in that NC
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  State game and he took down that left side, it was just like,
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  whoa, like he's like not only is he had made that decision
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  quickly but when he gets his third step, he's gone.
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  It's not a build-up, you know, Quincy had to be A build-up.
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  Hendon was about a five step guy, but it's the Connor Bloomer
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  of thing like how hard they went after it seeing it made no
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  sense. Like you needed to be finding
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  someone at a lower power 5, or lower power, 5 level or a G5
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  level that had started some games to be F.
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  And it's the biggest not me and Brian talked about a lot
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  sometimes owner, sometimes off the roster management of this
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  staff. In general is terrible.
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  Yep, it's terrible. And as we get into some of these
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  other spots, probably all three of us.
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  We're we're ranking our confidence.
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  You're going to see that reflect.
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  So I think we're going to get to it at the very next one,
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  actually. Yeah.
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  We are optimistic or pessimistic cartax and Brian and one
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  optimistic. The craziest part about that is
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  my optimism is like our middle grade, you know.
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  That's that's where the optimum best case scenario.
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  Hey, I'm in, I'm an optimistic guy.
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  Guy. But I'm a thousand percent with
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  you guys as far as what the concerns are.
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  There's no doubt about that. By the way, for the listeners
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  and for you guys, you wonder what I was doing with the towel.
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  Mike. Your statement made me spit my
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  berry out. So I'm trying to clean it up
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  here off the desk and start early.
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  Exactly. So let's go next let's take a
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  look. At the offensive line room.
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  Mike, I am going to kick this to Bryant is a Brian is our
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  resident offensive? Lineman here.
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  Brian. What's your confidence?
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  Great. This just behind quarterback at
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  it too and it could have been a one if we would have had any
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  semblance of a backup quarterback.
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  I feel okay about potentially the first five guys we have
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  meeting to new de Les of the Smith, probably Johnny Jordan,
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  some combination of Brock Hoffman and Silas and see.
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  Right Guard tackle, depending on where they end up, flopping.
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  Them beyond that, like zero confidence.
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  Absolute, no confidence, you got Jesse Hansen, who we haven't,
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  really heard a lot from kind of is not.
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  I wouldn't say underachieve but hasn't really hit the potential.
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  I think some people thought for him you got two young guys in
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  Parker Clements and Caden more. And then you got Bob, shit
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  coming in as a as a Jew. Zuko and outside of that, like,
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  it's just, it's just some guys like it's scary hours.
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  And and even that second line is, is a scary thought more than
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  like a, as we said, with quarterback more than having to,
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  you know, finish out a game or maybe have a plug start for
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  somebody. Some guy that goes down for one
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  game, like anything, more than one game is scary.
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  Tyrell, Smith's damn near 30. We had to get him out of
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  retirement. Have back and he's never really
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  started a game in offense of line.
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  I mean, it's really been special teams guy, for most of his time
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  and that says, all you need to know about the depth.
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  I mean, I'm, I'm at like a two or three.
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  It's, I want to be optimistic and say three but I feel like
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  it's about a to like here's the thing, I'm with you Brian, like
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  the offensive line as currently constructed with the Five Guys
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  that we presume will be starting.
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  I'm actually, okay with I'm a little bit concerned about Luke
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  tenuta, moving to the left tackle.
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  I understand it now. It's, you got to make that move.
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  I get it. He's our best.
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  He's your best tackle. You gotta play in there.
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  I totally understand it. He just kind of had a so-so year
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  last year, right? Tackle.
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  So now moving in the left tackle, McMahon, is he really
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  ready for that? He's got a lot of upside and I
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  think he's a good lineman. I'm just a little bit concerned
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  about him there and that's why the confidence level is lower.
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  Because I feel like he is one of our better offensive lineman and
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  I do have a concern about him at left tackle.
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  The see this myth? I think we'll be fine.
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  I mean I think he's going to be our most consistent offensive.
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  Lineman Johnny Jordan's going to play center and then Brock
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  Hoffman sliding over is probably what's best.
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  But my patience with Brock Hoffman ran thin last year for
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  all of the ridiculous Antics. After the whistle.
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  It's like, dude, you are, you are a good lineman you are.
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  Not an outstanding lineman that we can't.
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  So outstanding that we can't pull you out of the game.
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  When you're acting like an asshole, like you can't be
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  committing. I mean, some of the penalties,
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  he's committing. It's just like, man.
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  They teach you this and this guy's been playing football
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  since he was, you know, yay, high.
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  You can't be committing the penalties that he was committing
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  and high leverage situations like he was last year.
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  Like he's got an absolutely clean that up or else.
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  You got to find somebody else. Who's going to play?
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  Who's not going to commit penalties like that again?
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  Good Weinman. But not so good that you can't
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  pull them off the field when he's acting like that.
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  So he's got to clean that up. I'm really optimistic about
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  Johnny, Jordan, its Center, you know, all-big ten type player
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  really started to come into his own at.
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  Maryland has an opportunity to be really good here.
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  I think and then Silas antsy, I mean, I'm okay with him playing
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  some I just You know, he's probably going to be our most
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  inconsistent offensive lineman and I'm really concerned about
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  the depth, I mean the the depth the offensive line is what's
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  troubling me. I mean the only reason why it's
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  a little bit better than quarterback as you get more guys
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  to try different positions but that's that's really about it.
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  I mean other than that it's a lot of unproven Jeff back there.
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  You hope you got. Jesse that can play a couple
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  different positions which is that's really the only saving
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  grace or at this point is that you know, Jesse can probably
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  play. Behind Smith and behind Jordan,
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  while brought kind of works on the right side depending on
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  areas of need. But outside of that, I mean it's
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  it's like you said, it's scary in the depth area Curtis, I'ma
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  let you go ahead Ben. Well, I mean, what I will you
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  kind of said, what I was going to say but the other piece is if
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  we were to look back 365 days ago and I told you guys, hey
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  next year, offensive line depth is going to be scary.
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  Y'all would have a laughed at me said I was an idiot.
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  Based on what we had. So once again it's the roster
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  management but I'm going to Pivot this quick back to you
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  Brian because Mike I want you to listen to Brian's idea and to me
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  you talk about Silas being inconsistent.
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  I'd rather him be inconsistent at guard and tackle and Bravo.
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  Yeah Prime pitch an idea you talked to me the other day about
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  what you'd like to do on the right side of that line.
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  I mean think I think it would be best if Brock and play right
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  tackle. If that would agree, that would
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  be something that could work out.
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  Silas. You can hide the biggest
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  deficiencies that he has inside. Yes, you can and I think you'll
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  do better in the running game there as well.
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  So moving him down. I think would be the best case
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  scenario so long as Brock and hold up outside.
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  Obviously he's seems like played pretty much every position on
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  the line. At some point in his football,
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  career played guard and Center, obviously when he was at
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  Coastal, Then, you know, we've been kind of working him at both
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  positions with Center being the primary in terms of actually
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  playing in a game, but I would like to see him slide out.
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  If we can make that work that gives us the chance to probably
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  put our best five linemen on the field at least to start things
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  off there and then see what goes there.
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  And obviously I've only looked at a little tape on Bob Sheikh.
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  He looks like he's a fairly decent player but I don't
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  nothing spectacular, you know? The mechanics, but nothing that
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  blows you away and obviously hasn't done it at the power 5
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  level yet. So you really don't know what
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  that's going to look like. Yeah, so I mean when you're
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  relying on those step pieces, that haven't played the position
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  at the power 5 level before and you have two starters transfer
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  out of the program, you have another one, go to the NFL.
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  It's again the roster management is what really bothers me
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  because I feel like we really should have been the port.
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  Oil and hitting the portal hard for offensive lineman, when the
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  coaching staff comes out in Spring practice and I sit in, I
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  sit in on those press conferences and they're saying
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  in those press conferences, that offensive line depth is a
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  serious concern when they're saying that in the spring.
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  This again, guys, this is a coaching staff that has done
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  everything in their power, Brian.
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  And I were talking about this before we hit record, they do
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  everything in their power, not to reveal their hand right?
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  When they're coming out and openly saying, Extremely
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  concerned about the offensive line that makes me nervous.
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  Exactly, really nervous when they're open about their not
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  open about anything. They're gonna be open about
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  that. Come on now.
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  Well, you talk about having your hand.
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  It's like, you they were drunk at the card table that turned
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  over their hand. Once once Hudson and Nestor left
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  assumes, they love you. Nude aerosol was gone.
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  Daryl saw, was that good of a player?
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  You knew was going and as soon as though, kids transfer it out,
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  everybody can look and say they're gonna be weak on the
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  offensive line. I'm just a tattoo as well and
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  then you sit here and there's nothing behind it.
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  There's no, there's no attacking the portal.
• 21:37
  Talk about Bob ship potentially coming in, maybe he comes in
• 21:40
  because at least he is 65 at 300 pounds.
• 21:43
  There's his upside, his upside is, he has a body already that
• 21:47
  is essentially ready to play. Maybe he has some good enough
• 21:51
  technique and fundamentals, where you say, okay, we are
• 21:53
  going to move Brock outside chicks, going to back him up.
• 21:56
  This will give us a little Room flexibility on the inside with
• 21:59
  Silas and Jesse kind of play in the swing guard spot now.
• 22:03
  But again, it's the whole thing of what happened to Johnny, gets
• 22:06
  bang for three games. Well, you moving Brock inside?
• 22:09
  Yeah, you're either shit. Your silence outside, where it's
• 22:13
  like, at least you talked about, Luke.
• 22:15
  The new to, at least Loop to Newt is good enough.
• 22:17
  You know, schematically you could do things to give him help
• 22:21
  on the left side, whether it be keeping the tight ends in
• 22:24
  chipping shifting to that side. but if you have two outside
• 22:31
  guys, who both need help, I mean, what are you going to do?
• 22:35
  You're going to sit out there and just run power all day and
• 22:38
  just say, hope to God, we can get 3 to 4X protect everything,
• 22:41
  man. Yeah, two-man routes all day.
• 22:45
  Yeah, the absolute key to this offensive line having a
• 22:48
  successful years. The interior guys staying
• 22:50
  healthy. I mean, we can't can't afford to
• 22:52
  have an injury Ajani, Jordan Brock Hoffman because even if
• 22:56
  they were to bounce Brock Hoffman outside, if they have an
• 23:00
  injury inside, they can move them, right?
• 23:03
  Now if you gets, if he gets hurt, I think your options are a
• 23:05
  little bit more limited, our list of where you're playing him
• 23:08
  inside or out. Yeah, absolutely absolutely
• 23:11
  person. So as we have kicked off the
• 23:14
  first two position groups here. Our confidence levels are not
• 23:17
  that high for the offensive line for the quarterback room.
• 23:20
  So let's move to the next room. We're staying on offense, will
• 23:24
  flip the defense in a little while here folks, let's look at
• 23:28
  the running back room and I'm going to be straight up with
• 23:31
  you. I put the running back room at a
• 23:34
  Because there's so many guys there, someone is bound
• 23:41
  someone's gonna hit. Apparently it ain't whether he's
• 23:45
  Sean King markedly, you know, maybe one of the guys like Taj
• 23:48
  Gary, I hope to God they're not putting Blackshear back there.
• 23:51
  A ton of times. I'll let Brian Harper on that
• 23:53
  later. Puts a new get there.
• 23:56
  We've seen Jalen on at the end of the year to me.
• 23:59
  I saw mismanagement on field last year when they were trying
• 24:02
  to put Rahim Blackshear to do that.
• 24:03
  Tuff versus Jalen Holston, where Jalen Holston, by the end of the
• 24:07
  year, was the number two. And then the first time, they
• 24:11
  ran Marconi, the guy got like five yards, because he's 235,
• 24:15
  and he just plows into the line. He goes forward.
• 24:19
  So this group is high for me because Curtis to do something.
• 24:23
  Karen is talk, talk him off. Talking her, this this team,
• 24:26
  this team up until last year, hadn't had a running game,
• 24:28
  consistently since 2011, and the guy that was a catalyst for that
• 24:32
  leaves your putting Rocket 88 today.
• 24:36
  Well I'm going through a Time grading them based on where I
• 24:39
  feel. This is my highest confidence
• 24:41
  room because there's depth there.
• 24:43
  There's guys we've seen Flash I'm not worried if Jalen gets
• 24:48
  banged, I feel Keshawn could come in.
• 24:50
  If you know, Marco somebody is still going to be able to come
• 24:54
  and run, but beyond the softness because of the offenses plays in
• 24:58
  the schematics, it has potential for success and that's why I'm
• 25:03
  going there. Not that.
• 25:05
  There's like this guy's going to go 1,800 yards and averaged six
• 25:08
  and a half a carry. That's not the reason.
• 25:11
  There's just so many bodies there compared to some of the
• 25:13
  other rooms. Here's the thing, too.
• 25:16
  About the running back room to your point.
• 25:18
  Chris the fact that under Justin Fuente, this Cam finds ways to
• 25:25
  run the football regardless of whether or not they have a Bell
• 25:28
  cow back, right? I think that's clear and it's
• 25:31
  it's not always going to be a really successful running game.
• 25:34
  I think we know that at this point, but they're going to do
• 25:38
  enough to keep the defense off-balance and they're not
• 25:43
  going to have Another Khalil Herbert for a long time and
• 25:49
  that's that's not a slight at anybody, they bring in or it's
• 25:52
  just what he did last year was historic in terms of the running
• 25:59
  back position at Virginia Tech. People need to understand, I
• 26:04
  think a lot of people do, but a lot of people, I think just kind
• 26:06
  of gloss it over because the team didn't play, as well as a
• 26:09
  lot of people had hoped like, that was a really historic
• 26:12
  season Aegis, add terms of yards Carrie in terms of yards per
• 26:16
  game, all-purpose yards. He was one of the top backs in
• 26:18
  the country Virginia Tech has it had that, you know, forget
• 26:22
  forget about 2011, with David Wilson.
• 26:24
  They haven't had that really in a long time, even going back to,
• 26:27
  like, Darren Evans Ryan Williams.
• 26:30
  I mean, they've had some strong running games Lee Suggs, but,
• 26:34
  Khalil Herbert is right up there with any of them.
• 26:36
  Oh, yeah. And he was outstanding last year
• 26:39
  and that's really hard to replace.
• 26:40
  But again, you know, they got a lot of guys in this room,
• 26:43
  whether it be the Sounds like Jalen Holston or Rahim
• 26:47
  Blackshear, you know, kind of coming into his own as an
• 26:49
  upperclassman. Again, I'm with you Curtis, like
• 26:52
  I would prefer to have her here. Blackshear play more in the
• 26:55
  slot, play more outside of receiver, play a little bit at
• 26:58
  running back. I want him kind of all over the
• 27:01
  field. I don't want him lining up,
• 27:02
  carrying the ball 15 times the game.
• 27:04
  I don't think that's his strength.
• 27:05
  I don't think that's that. That's what the coaching staff
• 27:08
  envisions him doing and you guys will remember, I mean, they were
• 27:12
  hyping up Raheem Blackshear more than pull her.
• 27:14
  Last year. And then, you know, Blackshear
• 27:17
  got a little banged up, had a hamstring injury.
• 27:20
  Never really came into form. Like, the coaching staff was
• 27:23
  hoping, but he's got an opportunity to be really
• 27:25
  Dynamic. I like the Freshman Jordan
• 27:28
  Brunson a lot. I don't know if he'll get any
• 27:29
  carries but I like him. I like his potential.
• 27:32
  A lot 6-foot 215 pounds. I mean, he's got good size, he's
• 27:38
  got decent speed, he's got very good athleticism.
• 27:40
  I like his tape from high school a lot and I don't think he's
• 27:44
  being talked about. About nearly enough right now.
• 27:46
  But again there are so many different guys that I think, you
• 27:50
  know, could potentially play a role.
• 27:53
  I mean, I'd love to see Marco, we play some but he's going to
• 27:56
  be that Niche. Like short yardage guy feel like
• 27:59
  and in this offense we're always a shotgun out, know how much
• 28:02
  he's really going to actually have that role and have that
• 28:05
  opportunity. We all love Keshawn King to but
• 28:09
  the whole Kenny put on weight, you know, can you hold his
• 28:12
  weight at the division? One level?
• 28:13
  That's, that's the question as well.
• 28:14
  Also, there are so there's so many questions in this room to
• 28:18
  and like uncertainty with a lot of these guys that it's hard for
• 28:22
  me to have a lot of confidence. I put it like three or four.
• 28:27
  Okay I mean I I just don't I don't know enough about a lot of
• 28:32
  these guys that we may have to rely on.
• 28:34
  I mean that's just the bottom line.
• 28:37
  I'm close to you there. I so I see this unit is kind of
• 28:40
  like a Hi Flor, low ceiling unit.
• 28:46
  I feel like they're not going to be bad just because they have a
• 28:49
  lot of guys and a lot of guys that at this point I've seen
• 28:53
  some action but we as you said we don't have a Bell cow.
• 28:58
  We don't have a Khalil Herbert, I don't think Holston can step
• 29:03
  into that type of role. I feel like he's more of a want
• 29:06
  to say plotting back, but he's gonna get you solid carries but
• 29:11
  he's not going to be the guy like Herbert that breaks that
• 29:14
  one tackle and now he's out in the secondary and he's president
• 29:18
  of extra yards. Yeah he's not going to get those
• 29:22
  at least not at the same level that Herbert did.
• 29:24
  I mean a lot of times on that outside Zone he would you know,
• 29:27
  shoulder shrug one tackle and next thing you know, he's at the
• 29:29
  next level and up the sideline I feel like King has a lot of
• 29:35
  potential with. As you said, can he keep on on
• 29:38
  the weight? I think it sounds like he's
• 29:40
  making some progress with with To get on.
• 29:43
  The question is, can he keep it on?
• 29:44
  Keep it on in season when it matters to stay, you know, keep
• 29:47
  his body healthy enough to take the the bangs in the hips that
• 29:52
  come at playing running back. And, you know, Marco Li big guy
• 29:57
  definitely more of a niche player though, as you said
• 30:00
  short, yardage goal-line scenarios don't see him getting
• 30:03
  much in the middle of the field unless you know it's one of
• 30:06
  those third and shorts and we don't call quarterback power in
• 30:09
  those situations. We we Give the ball to a big
• 30:13
  back and let him get the first down there.
• 30:16
  But as you said though, I would say, you know, Brunson and
• 30:19
  Hampton or probably in played. I don't know if they're going to
• 30:21
  get a whole lot of snaps. But I really like brunson's tape
• 30:23
  and I look yeah, coming out. So you know, he has the
• 30:27
  potential if he puts the pieces together to pop and maybe
• 30:31
  compete for some snaps. But I really want to see
• 30:35
  Blackshear more in the next group are going to talk about
• 30:37
  than this group. I think he's more of a like,
• 30:42
  Percy, Harvin type player like, yep.
• 30:44
  He'll he needs to take some carries out of the bag, feel he
• 30:47
  needs to run some routes out of the backfield and things of that
• 30:50
  nature. But he doesn't need to be your
• 30:52
  spell back or any sort of every down tight player from the
• 30:56
  running back position. He's gonna have to take some
• 30:58
  damn snaps at quarterback at some point.
• 31:00
  Probably, well, there is, you know, there's one person out
• 31:06
  there that's potentially being recruited that I feel That if it
• 31:13
  happens, you could have a Khalil Herbert situation again because
• 31:16
  of his talent. I'm not mentioning his name.
• 31:18
  I think anyone that is in the know, if Virginia Tech football
• 31:21
  know who I am talking about, but the events that happened
• 31:25
  yesterday with someone in his family, not looking great.
• 31:29
  So we'll see. Brian.
• 31:31
  You already mentioned it. I'll set up the softball to you
• 31:33
  big guy, wide, receiver tight in.
• 31:35
  Where's your confidence level on this one, run?
• 31:39
  A 3, I'm at a 3 on wide receiver.
• 31:44
  And it really has all to do with You know, it's a whole lot of
• 31:50
  question marks. Once you get past the name's
• 31:52
  Trey Turner and TV on Robinson. And we're going to go ahead and
• 31:57
  throw tight ends in here in this group and James Mitchell would
• 32:00
  be the other name that you would mention there.
• 32:03
  I think we have a lot of really good receivers that can play in
• 32:06
  the slot, whether it be freshman or a Raheem Blackshear, but I'm
• 32:14
  not really sold on guys, that be on Trey Turner and tadion
• 32:18
  Robinson that can really step up at the at the outside there.
• 32:22
  Those are concerning whether we end up using James Mitchell in a
• 32:26
  similar fashion that we use Bucky Hodges, early, and
• 32:30
  twenties tenure that Used to be seen given the lack of depth, I
• 32:35
  think, at the position in terms of proven talent because you
• 32:38
  know, beyond the kind of first line guys, there's a, there's a
• 32:41
  bunch of names but not a, not a bunch of snaps behind those
• 32:45
  names, man. I just hire I hate.
• 32:54
  I hate to just continue to say the same thing over and over
• 32:57
  again. But I feel just, I feel that
• 32:59
  this entire roster is so mediocre right now.
• 33:03
  Like it a lot of positions. Not not all positions will get
• 33:05
  to defense. I'm a lot more confident on that
• 33:07
  side of the ball. Pit on the offense.
• 33:10
  I have concerns man like At receiver specifically.
• 33:16
  Traitor norm and it's it's about time like we're getting it's
• 33:20
  getting to be about that time, buddy.
• 33:22
  Like we need we need some more production, right?
• 33:25
  Like it's getting a little late. Showed a lot of Promise as a
• 33:31
  freshman last couple years not so much, he's got a lot of
• 33:36
  potential. It continues to have a lot of
• 33:38
  potential and that's what's bothering me.
• 33:40
  It's just kind of like he hasn't fully realized kind of the
• 33:44
  player that I think a lot of us thought he could be, you know,
• 33:47
  we first came to campus. I think we were all thinking.
• 33:49
  All right, I say afford type explosive plays right.
• 33:53
  Actually what I thought and then and then it just hasn't really
• 33:57
  panned out. He hasn't stayed healthy.
• 33:59
  It's been It's been a struggle. I get the quarterback position
• 34:03
  has been kind of revolving. Doors hard to get written with
• 34:05
  quarterbacks. I get it as a receiver.
• 34:07
  I understand James Mitchell is really good.
• 34:12
  It's awesome. They stuck around Nick, a low.
• 34:15
  I like him a lot. I just as a pure at the pure
• 34:19
  receiver position. I think changa Hodge could have
• 34:22
  really carved out a nice roll. It's unfortunate that he tore
• 34:24
  his ACL Jaden pay. You, I'm really excited to see
• 34:29
  him play. I'm also So a little bit nervous
• 34:31
  that he's not going to be as healthy as he would like and
• 34:36
  again it's anytime you have a foot injury when you got screws
• 34:39
  inserted and all that stuff, it's a total coin flip guys and
• 34:43
  I'd love for him to come back and be healthy and played his
• 34:47
  potential because I know the staffs very high on them and
• 34:50
  he's one of the few four stars on our roster at this point.
• 34:53
  So I would like for him to produce at a skill position.
• 34:56
  Yep. And You know, Tavian Robinson.
• 34:59
  I like him a lot. I'm really excited in this room
• 35:02
  about the young guys, right? I mean, the one Lofton I think
• 35:05
  is going to play and play a decent amount, it seemed like he
• 35:08
  was getting a decent amount of snaps with the ones during the
• 35:11
  Spring. That's really encouraging Jalen
• 35:15
  Jones freshman out of Richmond, is another kid that I think has
• 35:18
  a lot of potential both inside and outside, he's a little bit
• 35:22
  bigger into one Lofton. So those are two guys who are
• 35:25
  Young, Who I think could play early.
• 35:28
  But I think my confidence level is still around like a for
• 35:30
  because Trey Turner can't really stay healthy and James Mitchell.
• 35:35
  I feel like everything's going to key on them.
• 35:36
  So who's going to be the other guy?
• 35:38
  It steps up, you know, is going to be taping on Robinson, take
• 35:40
  on kind of a larger role now his third year and the offense is it
• 35:43
  going to be one of the young guys like Loughner Jones like,
• 35:47
  is it going to be Nick Gallo stepping up?
• 35:49
  Is he going to get more snaps too tight and too tight end
• 35:50
  sets, right? So you got to become more of a
• 35:52
  past catching threat. Now Like those are questions, I
• 35:54
  have and I just I think there's potential out of this group for
• 35:58
  sure. I just confidence is not all
• 36:00
  that high just because of injuries and health and depth
• 36:02
  and that sort of thing. I'm close with you guys on this
• 36:06
  one. I'm like it a full with this one
• 36:07
  too and it's not the guys are talented.
• 36:11
  You start looking at the gas trays, talented that first year,
• 36:15
  like you mentioned Mike. He exploded we expected more.
• 36:17
  He's kind of only one up a little bit.
• 36:20
  Not really did this. Potential is there?
• 36:23
  Potentials there, Tavian same way, Tavian is growing his first
• 36:28
  year. The second year, you saw the
• 36:30
  growth and then pay you, if that guy comes back and has anything
• 36:34
  near the speed that he showed at, essentially the workout that
• 36:39
  got him. The offer and bumped him to a
• 36:41
  top hundred player, that's good. Blackshear Lofton, don't
• 36:46
  actually, have to do, much obliged, y'all love Dimension,
• 36:50
  here, I mentioned him in passing It's an idiot being, not being a
• 36:58
  running back, not being, just a slot games Mitchell and Gallo.
• 37:03
  Even drink gave us. We know.
• 37:04
  He can be a solid tight end. What I'm more concerned with and
• 37:07
  why this group is a 4 and not necessarily like a five or a six
• 37:12
  is we've had talented groups before and we don't show how to
• 37:16
  put them in situations to excel. And what makes me angry, my.
• 37:22
  And I told Brian, that's a ton. If you've listened to us before.
• 37:25
  What do you mean serious is? I look at this offense and if
• 37:28
  you put these guys in the situations where they could
• 37:30
  Excel, you could have guys who are borderlining on 1,000
• 37:34
  receiving yards. Not one multiple you have.
• 37:37
  Guys, who could be borderlining on Thousand rushing yards, not
• 37:42
  one multiple. But every time it's like, Okay,
• 37:46
  this is the year we're going to see more plays and it's like the
• 37:49
  same 15 plays. Yeah, instead would rather run
• 37:51
  the quarterback 30 times a game, you know, exactly.
• 37:55
  So it's a gross mismanagement of talents and if you know to me
• 38:03
  and I'm probably sure to you guys.
• 38:05
  If Justin Fuente done win 10 games ago, the ACC title game,
• 38:08
  he's fired. It doesn't.
• 38:10
  I think that's I think that's it.
• 38:13
  See I I think, I think that's what should happen.
• 38:18
  But to be honest with you, in my opinion, when Whit Babcock and
• 38:23
  whoever else made the decision to keep want a around, They made
• 38:29
  their bed with that, and I think it's going to be more than a
• 38:32
  one-year experiment because I don't think you do the whole
• 38:36
  song and dance that this could be an entirely different
• 38:39
  podcast. I want to get us to off track
• 38:40
  but I don't think I don't think with Babcock says the whole song
• 38:45
  and dance of oh like this is really your one.
• 38:47
  You know, we didn't have our facilities and didn't put enough
• 38:49
  funding in the football. Yeah.
• 38:52
  Like I think it would have to be real bad for Fuente to get
• 38:54
  fired. I honestly believe that.
• 38:56
  I think if honest to God, I think if you go Like eating for
• 39:00
  and only losses to like Notre Dame UNC couple, others West
• 39:05
  Virginia, maybe. And then like name, the random
• 39:07
  ACC game, we lose every year, like I think that that probably
• 39:13
  is going to be enough for him to stick around another year.
• 39:16
  I do believe that I don't, I got no I got no reason to believe
• 39:22
  that. This is going to work long-term.
• 39:26
  I mean, I'm I'm not optimistic guy, I didn't really understand
• 39:30
  why he was kept. I guess a big buyout all that.
• 39:33
  I just feel like there was there were too many things said in
• 39:35
  that press conference by Witt Badcock to made me think man I
• 39:38
  feel like this is more than a one year thing.
• 39:40
  It would have to be real bad. It would have to like really
• 39:42
  really bottomed out because he's stuck around for this long.
• 39:46
  I don't know, but let me ask you before you jump.
• 39:52
  I want you to answer this too. Hayden for seven.
• 39:54
  And five does would get to walk up to him and say, you need to
• 39:58
  fucking fire somebody. Because this is, it should have
• 40:03
  already happened. Yes, right.
• 40:07
  I mean, it should have already happened.
• 40:10
  We, I mean, we're all on the same page on this.
• 40:13
  We talked about this several times off the air, but this is
• 40:15
  like At that should already happens.
• 40:18
  I the fact. And I like, I like Justin
• 40:22
  Hamilton a lot and I like his potential and all that.
• 40:26
  But when your backs against the wall hiring a guy who's never
• 40:30
  been a defensive coordinator before is a hell of a decision.
• 40:33
  Yep. It's a hell of a decision.
• 40:38
  I don't know, I wouldn't have done it.
• 40:39
  I mean I all potential in the world has a chance to be really
• 40:42
  good. I like Hamilton.
• 40:43
  I think he could be a very good defensive coordinator.
• 40:45
  I get his potential but I feel like Fuente and the reason why
• 40:49
  he's in this mess is, he's hired too many guys based on
• 40:51
  potential. Okay.
• 40:53
  And he's recruited too many guys based on potential and not like
• 40:57
  where they're actually at right now and I think that's why the
• 41:00
  programs kind of in the right there in.
• 41:01
  But anyway, that's a very, very good point.
• 41:06
  I like the way you said that a lot of potential but we haven't
• 41:11
  seen a whole lot of that potential come to fruition.
• 41:13
  Yeah, I think you know when you look at it just it just Hamilton
• 41:20
  lot of lot of. Lot of good things you're
• 41:23
  seeing, but I think there's definitely some Growing Pains
• 41:27
  that are going to come with hiring.
• 41:29
  A coach, that hasn't really seen a whole lot of action at the
• 41:34
  rapper five level at this point. And you know, we can address the
• 41:39
  elephant in the room that is Brad.
• 41:42
  Carl Nelson. Yeah, probably put in a position
• 41:48
  where has potential but what we're seeing is that the
• 41:52
  deficiencies are in the offensive design or anything of
• 41:57
  that but it's in the the small situations in the game that
• 42:00
  matter whether it's Certain calls at certain times of the
• 42:05
  game or making adjustments when, you know, we do what we do isn't
• 42:10
  working, right? I've just I feel like this is, I
• 42:16
  mean, obviously this is a program on the brink.
• 42:19
  And obviously, there have been some tough years here recently
• 42:23
  and it's all about time, right? And I just don't know.
• 42:29
  I'm confident listen, I'm confident that what Virginia
• 42:32
  Tech's doing as a nap. Light department to put more
• 42:34
  money into football and recruiting resources and all
• 42:36
  that I think that'll pay off. And I think Puente to his
• 42:39
  credit. I think he's made the right
• 42:41
  hires for recruiting and with some of his support staff to
• 42:47
  really attack something he's not very good at in recruiting.
• 42:50
  Yeah I just don't know if he's going to have enough time to
• 42:53
  reap the benefits of that and I'm not sure he's going to have
• 42:57
  enough time to reap. The benefits of Justin Hamilton
• 42:59
  has potential as a defensive coordinator and that's kind of,
• 43:01
  that's kind of just a trend With this program, I just we're short
• 43:05
  on time. I'm just not sure there's going
• 43:07
  to be that opportunity for you know, these guys to really kind
• 43:11
  of come into their own. Wonderful viewer, their hashtag
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  of the ball as we are going to take a quick pause for a message
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  from our regional partners. Alright, so now let's jump on
• 43:37
  the defensive side of the ball and I'm going to leave here.
• 43:40
  We're going to start with the defensive line because the
• 43:41
  defensive line gets one of my highest grades.
• 43:44
  I'm giving it a 7 and it's not only potential as you guys have
• 43:49
  been talking about, but it's proven results, its depth.
• 43:54
  And it's a it's a line. We saw do, well, last year at
• 43:58
  times and not do so well at times, but there are also some
• 44:01
  key, correct, positional requirements.
• 44:05
  That we didn't have loved your all Hewitt.
• 44:07
  Garage Hewitt was not a defensive tackle in this
• 44:09
  particular scheme. He leaves in lo and behold a six
• 44:14
  foot four 317 pounds defensive lineman from the 757 transfers
• 44:18
  from Clemson. He is a prototypical defensive
• 44:21
  tackle in this type of scheme and not only is it one of these
• 44:26
  things where it's Virginia kid coming home, he get the
• 44:28
  feel-good story, you get a recruiting bump in my opinion
• 44:32
  because of the talk that he had about, like he created a great
• 44:36
  relationship with Justin Fuente while he was being recruited.
• 44:40
  A lot of people didn't like to hear that but it does say that
• 44:44
  maybe all is not bad with our head coach recruits.
• 44:49
  But I sit here and I look at the names of maribor.
• 44:52
  No Pollard through the Kendricks guard but hopefully Belmar.
• 44:56
  I know he's going through some things, you know, where are you
• 45:00
  at? Mike with a defensive line
• 45:02
  group. Honestly, like a seven.
• 45:06
  It's one of my highest ratings as well.
• 45:10
  Just think about the guys that are kind of coming back into the
• 45:14
  fold right bar. No.
• 45:17
  Didn't even really have a full offseason to be a defensive end
• 45:21
  before last year and still produced, and now he has a
• 45:23
  regular offseason without covid. And all that stuff has an
• 45:26
  opportunity to really produce Taiwan gar butts back.
• 45:29
  Emmanuel Belmar, has proven to be a very solid player for the
• 45:32
  Hokies. You got Robert Wooten and out,
• 45:35
  Brian on the outside on the interior, you obviously have
• 45:38
  Jordan Williams transferring in from Send Josh fuga has an
• 45:41
  opportunity now to be you know really good and kind of grasp
• 45:44
  and more of a role on the interior defensive line you got
• 45:48
  norell Pollard as well. I would would have just
• 45:52
  absolutely Just love to see this unit with like a full off season
• 45:59
  last year, like a real opportunity to kind of gel
• 46:04
  because bar no-shows, so much promise.
• 46:06
  And he's so freaking athletic and the fact that he was able to
• 46:11
  play as well as he did. Last year, without any real
• 46:13
  offseason practice at the position is.
• 46:16
  So promising for this upcoming year, I'm really high on the
• 46:20
  defense guys. I think defensive line has a
• 46:22
  chance to be really good. And I'm interested to see, you
• 46:27
  know what, JC price kind of coming into the fold.
• 46:30
  You know how that Dynamic works out without Darryl Tapp because
• 46:33
  built secure link has proven to be really good and the
• 46:36
  opportunity now for j.c. Price, not only on the
• 46:38
  recruiting Trail, but to come in and kind of add a new voice to
• 46:42
  the room, on the defense side of the football.
• 46:44
  I'm really excited to see that. Plus the fact that these players
• 46:47
  get an entire offseason to kind of move forward.
• 46:51
  One other quick note to Sean Crawford would have loved to see
• 46:55
  M, stick around. I understand why you transferred
• 46:58
  out of the program. I get it.
• 47:00
  It's it's a numbers thing. Just a lot of town.
• 47:02
  Two guys on the interior defensive line for Virginia Tech
• 47:04
  but I really liked him a lot. He was always fun to interview
• 47:08
  like he was great in press conferences and stuff like that.
• 47:10
  So personal affinity for the guy, but he was also a pretty
• 47:14
  solid player and it's kind of a bummer that he's gone.
• 47:16
  I think you would have been great but this is a really,
• 47:19
  really good unit here up front and I think has a lot of
• 47:22
  Promise. Yeah.
• 47:24
  I like I'm gay. This this group aa6.
• 47:27
  I like the Frontline guys, I like the second line, guys, I
• 47:30
  like the other hand full of guys that are going to work in.
• 47:33
  I know builds here, link likes to run at least two.
• 47:36
  Sometimes three line deep with his defensive line getting
• 47:41
  significant number of steps but just we talked about it a lot on
• 47:47
  this like the way bar no went from somewhat of a liability
• 47:52
  unless it was a third and long situation.
• 47:55
  A week 12, where he finished the season was, was mind-blowing,
• 48:01
  like, dude came on and came on Fast and once he got it.
• 48:06
  I mean, he just took off, you know, having Belmar back Jaylyn
• 48:11
  Griff and see how Robert Wooten comes along like the defensive
• 48:16
  ends overall defensive tackle. I feel really good about.
• 48:19
  As you said, I would have liked to see if dashon Crawford would
• 48:22
  have stuck around how deep that unit would have been as well.
• 48:24
  But we still, Oh, got Pollard, we got Williams coming in still.
• 48:28
  Got Kendricks fuga. Got Max Philpott on scholarship
• 48:31
  now, I heard he had a pretty good spring, so, I mean, there's
• 48:35
  a lot of Promise in this unit, so I feel really good about
• 48:37
  them. And as far as the interior part
• 48:41
  of the line goes were actually for the first time.
• 48:44
  I feel like maybe since mid 2000's, we were big inside.
• 48:49
  Yeah, not great weight. We you know, Jordan's over
• 48:53
  three. Food goes over three Pollard,
• 48:56
  your biggest undersized guy. But if he's deployed correctly
• 49:00
  in the right situations, Brian, you can attest to this.
• 49:04
  There's no probably there's only a handful of guards and centers
• 49:07
  that can deal with that quick. That Pollard has based on his
• 49:11
  size to strength. Like, you know, he's got a quick
• 49:14
  step, but he is strong. He's like 270 but he's built.
• 49:17
  Like he's strong enough to be 290.
• 49:20
  When you have that quick step and you have that strength,
• 49:22
  there's not going to be many interior lineman that going to
• 49:24
  be able to stop you. This is be honest.
• 49:29
  This is probably the group that saved Justin Fuente job.
• 49:33
  Yeah. I mean for real, I agree.
• 49:36
  I agree. It shows that he could go out
• 49:38
  and land a big-time transfer and develop the group that's here
• 49:44
  because again Kendricks and Pollard and the guys have been
• 49:47
  here if shown it in far no for real and bar know I mentioned
• 49:50
  this to Braun a couple days ago Bardo.
• 49:52
  Got tap one-on-one last year. You mentioned, JC prices coming
• 49:56
  in JC, is a defensive tackle got more, he's coached the whole
• 49:59
  line, but he played defensive tackle, you feel like that's
• 50:02
  more his bread and butter. He's not going to get probably
• 50:04
  tearing it more. Or of the time.
• 50:07
  So it's almost like Darryl was able to shave the raw down and
• 50:10
  started. What we saw at the end of last
• 50:12
  year now you're going to get like the doctor to come in and
• 50:15
  say Here's what you need to do next.
• 50:18
  Yep. I'll know it's promising.
• 50:21
  I mean I'm I like this group a lot and again I think this is
• 50:26
  one of the first times you know, since Bud Foster left that
• 50:31
  you're seeing You know, the bigger defensive lineman really
• 50:35
  come into the fold in a more prominent way.
• 50:38
  We've seen it bits and pieces, right?
• 50:40
  Even when Bud Foster was still defensive coordinator, we saw
• 50:42
  kind of bigger defensive lineman, start to get recruited
• 50:44
  a little bit and then you really saw it when Justin Hamilton took
• 50:47
  over and now you're going to see them in a more prominent role
• 50:51
  with a lot of the younger guys to like not just a Jordan
• 50:54
  Williams is of the world I'm talking about like yeah younger
• 50:56
  guys are going to have an opportunity to play here.
• 51:00
  Yeah it's exciting and I think it needs to be done.
• 51:03
  Especially in like this new era of college football.
• 51:06
  I think you've got to have bigger defense, interior
• 51:08
  defensive lineman defense events.
• 51:10
  And you know the way that Bud Foster traditionally recruited
• 51:13
  defensive lineman, I think moving moving past that,
• 51:17
  honestly, for all the good things about possibly, I think
• 51:19
  kind of moving past that into this kind New Era up front on
• 51:24
  the defensive line I think, is for the best.
• 51:26
  Absolutely. All right, let's roll on.
• 51:28
  Let's take a look at the linebacker Corps Brown.
• 51:32
  Won't you jump on this woman? Because I feel like when we
• 51:36
  talked a couple days ago, we were feeling this kind of
• 51:38
  similar. And then I'll only hear what you
• 51:39
  got to say, mine. I will start off.
• 51:42
  I'm going to go ahead and get my grade first.
• 51:44
  I'm giving this a for I feel okay about it.
• 51:51
  I don't really think the the recent news really changes how I
• 51:54
  feel about it. We've got Dax moving into Mike
• 52:00
  kishan artist and Dean Ferguson kind of behind him.
• 52:02
  I feel like that's a pretty solid three-man.
• 52:05
  Tandem for Mike where I'm a little iffy is is backer.
• 52:12
  Alan Tisdale is a talented player but he's been very
• 52:15
  inconsistent and he's been under sized to play the position.
• 52:20
  Looks like he's put on a little bit of weight.
• 52:23
  You know, the word is that but becoming a father is kind of
• 52:27
  matured him a little bit. So I wonder if that's going to
• 52:29
  knock out some of the inconsistency in the game.
• 52:33
  So we'll see there. And then you got CJ, McRae
• 52:36
  coming in along, with Joaquin Rudolph at the backup position
• 52:41
  there. So we'll see how McRae kind of
• 52:44
  fits in and learns the system. And then, I know looking rudolph
• 52:47
  is on On a position change. So he's still kind of picking up
• 52:50
  the position as well. So behind Tisdale it's a lot of
• 52:54
  question marks as to how that's going to work out.
• 52:57
  So that's why my confidence is a little little hazy there.
• 53:01
  I feel pretty good about Mike but a little iffy about backer.
• 53:05
  I'm at about a three and maybe that's low.
• 53:10
  Maybe that's a little bit more pessimistic.
• 53:13
  Maybe Papa Tisdale turns a corner, right?
• 53:16
  Like maybe maybe it comes into his own, a little bit again, you
• 53:20
  know, all the talent in the world and he's got a lot of
• 53:25
  potential, the inconsistency, kills me at backer.
• 53:30
  And that's why I'm a little bit low on the unit as a whole
• 53:33
  because when you go to Mike. Dax hollifield has been a little
• 53:39
  bit up and down. And that that concerns me to
• 53:43
  now. I think that moving over to Mike
• 53:45
  and traditional middle linebacker position, I think is
• 53:48
  for the best for Dax. He wasn't going to play that.
• 53:52
  Obviously, a year ago, with Ashby still in the fold.
• 53:56
  I get that. And I think he has an
• 53:58
  opportunity to obviously, you know, come into his own a bit.
• 54:03
  But I'm a little bit more concerned about the wine backing
• 54:07
  core Pro depth standpoint to just because we don't A lot
• 54:11
  about the guys behind him like Dean Ferguson.
• 54:13
  For example, like I think he has an opportunity and a bigger role
• 54:17
  to play well, but it's something that obviously makes me nervous.
• 54:20
  If he has to take on a bigger role than anticipate because
• 54:22
  dax's and live up to the hype at middle linebacker.
• 54:26
  If that's doesn't, but too. To, to credit, this is Dax is
• 54:32
  natural position. He's been playing out of
• 54:34
  position for the last three years at backer, he was never a
• 54:37
  pathetic enough for on said, numerous times deck, me where he
• 54:41
  needed to be. There was just tons deck was one
• 54:43
  step. They're too late or, you know,
• 54:47
  didn't have the right angle because he didn't have the speed
• 54:49
  to get there. We're missed the tackle.
• 54:52
  Sorry, I missed that, that's good.
• 54:59
  And I think Tuesday, Is your prototypical back his long as
• 55:03
  he's somewhere between 220 and 230, not 2005, and to 10.
• 55:06
  Because if he's small, it's an even bigger issue this year but
• 55:10
  I gave this with you Mike. I'm a three it's not because I
• 55:12
  don't trust his daelim Dax I trust them.
• 55:14
  I think those guys could be an excellent unit if they don't get
• 55:18
  hurt but it's a linebacker position.
• 55:19
  You're flying in there. You're using your body.
• 55:21
  You're trying to fill gaps at the mic position you feel okay
• 55:25
  between Dean and kashan. You're like look if this could
• 55:28
  work we can move, unfortunately Dax back.
• 55:30
  Backer. But if backer you know if it's
• 55:34
  just it's like as soon as one of those guys gets hurt you're like
• 55:38
  shit. Yeah yeah to say it's like in
• 55:44
  this wasn't a big room to begin with it's to me the last two or
• 55:47
  three years it's been significantly under recruited.
• 55:50
  Yep. And I believe it's in CJ.
• 55:52
  McRae coming in and that's great.
• 55:54
  Maybe he's someone that You look at his you look at the size.
• 55:57
  You feel like he is a backer Joaquin.
• 55:59
  Was a backer, you know, what do they start a lot of loss in it.
• 56:02
  They start him it back or they move him to end immediately.
• 56:05
  Oh my God, you guys know I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 56:09
  You guys know how I feel about Lawson Awesome Blossom.
• 56:14
  Everybody loves welcome because we live in so many different
• 56:17
  ways because you see him and say good more he could beat
• 56:20
  remaining, right? He could be germane.
• 56:22
  If he puts 15 pounds on 20 pounds on, he could be germane.
• 56:25
  But then the Other Parliament, says shit.
• 56:29
  He could beat remaining 2.0 people.
• 56:32
  We know I am and looked at the versatility that you guys were
• 56:36
  talking about, is that the big thing for me and you guys will
• 56:41
  remember factor in quarantine, we were all locked inside, and
• 56:44
  we're all on Twitter way more than we should be.
• 56:47
  I made the comparison that Lawson had a little bit of
• 56:51
  Isaiah Simmons in him, and I got dragged for me.
• 56:56
  All of a sudden Austin's got four stars.
• 56:58
  Now out looks so stupid right? Like this is the guy, it has
• 57:03
  that positional and all I meant was this is a guy who has
• 57:06
  positional versatility. Everybody was like always got a
• 57:08
  lip to Simmons, it's crazy, you put that on them, that's not
• 57:10
  what I meant. He's got versatility, he can
• 57:13
  play linebacker, he could, he could play, you know, out in the
• 57:17
  flat, right? I mean you can you can kind of
• 57:18
  line them up on slot guy. You can play mat defensive Bank,
• 57:21
  he's got the size and the length, the athleticism like
• 57:24
  he's really talented. Talented, and he's another bar,
• 57:27
  no type with a little bit more speed, right?
• 57:30
  And Bardot was kind of in between positions, a little bit
• 57:33
  Wasson, I think in between positions a little bit and he
• 57:36
  can be like at remain. If you play him at linebacker,
• 57:39
  he can be a more experienced bar know if you line them up at
• 57:42
  defense event, like this is a guy that I think can really make
• 57:45
  a difference moving forward. Absolutely.
• 57:48
  So again it's on the coaching staff to put him in the right
• 57:50
  position day one, where he can become an immediate impact
• 57:55
  player. I love you, I lost and under
• 57:58
  this is we're going off a little bit.
• 57:59
  Maybe a conversation. We're going to be having two
• 58:01
  months from now, his athleticism.
• 58:05
  If that guy's not on every special teams unit every
• 58:09
  freaking game, your one, then you failed it, he's six foot
• 58:12
  four. He's probably going to come in
• 58:14
  about 215, 220 pounds, right? You can jump out of the room
• 58:19
  those training tapes. When he did some of those box
• 58:21
  jumps, like he was Box jumping where you seek to lead your kids
• 58:24
  boxed up. When either junior in high
• 58:26
  school So, like, getting in, on the punt block units on the
• 58:31
  field units, he clearly can help you again.
• 58:36
  It's trusting the coaching staff to do it.
• 58:39
  All right, so we all feel terrible about the line
• 58:42
  measured. You guys are a little bit higher
• 58:46
  on tax and I am, I love Dax. I just He's been kind of bounced
• 58:52
  around a little bit hopefully he finds some stability at middle
• 58:54
  linebacker. I think that's where he's best
• 58:55
  suited anyway that's that's the hope I feel like you know I
• 58:59
  think we saw a little bit from him last year as the season went
• 59:03
  on start of the year, he was not playing well at all.
• 59:07
  I think his last like three or four games, he probably played
• 59:11
  his best football, the of the year.
• 59:13
  And I'm hoping that going to his more natural position is going
• 59:17
  to be the thing that he needs to kind of turn the corner.
• 59:21
  With his with his overall career because I mean he's had a decent
• 59:25
  career but in terms of like where the expectations were
• 59:28
  year, one definitely has not lived up to that level of
• 59:32
  height. It's true, it's true.
• 59:37
  And I think being the out of position thing was the big thing
• 59:41
  and personally you said it earlier, I love but to death.
• 59:46
  I think Bud should have been Smart in 18 and realized I need
• 59:50
  to let decks it because God's not going to is not going to get
• 59:53
  his maximum time at the position.
• 59:54
  He is best for. Yep.
• 59:58
  And yeah, me, it's hurt Dax. It's hurt us.
• 1:00:02
  It's heard the program in some way.
• 1:00:04
  Yeah. Let's roll on, if you're good,
• 1:00:06
  everybody good. Anything else on linebackers, by
• 1:00:09
  the way, we good, by the way, if he Ferguson does get in and he
• 1:00:14
  hit somebody, I think he is going to physically hurt
• 1:00:16
  somebody because Dean just like he looks mean, he looks old
• 1:00:20
  school like I'm gonna hit you and then probably stand over
• 1:00:22
  you, he's much more. He's he's much more like an ash
• 1:00:25
  be than then the dax's I will say that he's got a little bit
• 1:00:30
  of a little B, B to him. All right, let's roll.
• 1:00:34
  I want two safeties and whips. Braun.
• 1:00:39
  Leave this one for us, man. Where are you looking at
• 1:00:41
  safeties and whips with the big news this week.
• 1:00:45
  Devin hundred back on the team. It's a little find some depth
• 1:00:48
  there. I tell you.
• 1:00:51
  I feel I feel pretty good. I'm giving this a seven between
• 1:00:58
  the nickel with position, which Amari in this year, people's
• 1:01:02
  boundaries safety, you got you know potentially Hunter back in
• 1:01:07
  there. You got Not take a daily that
• 1:01:10
  could work in there. Potentially Devon Taylor coming
• 1:01:12
  back. He's going to probably work with
• 1:01:15
  both the safeties and the in the corners there since we've got a
• 1:01:19
  little bit more depth this year than we had last year at that
• 1:01:22
  position. And you got Kanto Jenkins had
• 1:01:26
  saw some time last year played a little.
• 1:01:29
  Well the start of the year they had all the covid stuff happen
• 1:01:33
  and then kind of didn't see as much of him as the year war on
• 1:01:36
  and then you got Jr. Walker that could work in there
• 1:01:39
  as well. So we got to I think a pretty
• 1:01:41
  solid group and a probably about three or four guys in the front
• 1:01:45
  line that I think could do. Do a pretty good job of holding
• 1:01:48
  down the safety position there between Connor Tay Devin and
• 1:01:53
  chianti. I like this group a lot, the
• 1:01:58
  Devin Hunter news changes, things dramatically.
• 1:02:01
  Obviously, now, Devon Hunter, you know, when he was recruited
• 1:02:06
  by Virginia Tech, I mean Remains the highest rated recruit in the
• 1:02:10
  Justin Fuente era. I think it's safe to say now.
• 1:02:13
  We're three plus years in It hasn't exactly lived up to the
• 1:02:18
  hype yet. Now there's an opportunity now
• 1:02:21
  in front of Devon Hunter where he's got a position that he can
• 1:02:24
  walk down. He's been given a second chance,
• 1:02:27
  i-i'm really happy for him. I'm happy that the coaching
• 1:02:32
  staff gave him that second chance.
• 1:02:34
  I think, you know, not to go too far into that but he showed
• 1:02:38
  remorse. He You know did what he needed
• 1:02:41
  to do when he's handled it like an adult and I think that should
• 1:02:44
  be commended. Now on the football side, I
• 1:02:48
  think giving him an opportunity now to play safety and kind of
• 1:02:53
  emerge in that role. Like we have all wanted him to
• 1:02:56
  is something. We would really like to see and
• 1:02:58
  bring Aunt a daily is a transfer obviously played at Vanderbilt,
• 1:03:03
  a very bad football program, he was very good.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah yeah, don't get it twisted. Very good football.
• 1:03:10
  Player that they brought in here.
• 1:03:12
  It's safety and just because he came from, Vanderbilt, doesn't
• 1:03:14
  mean you can't play. He can absolutely play and I
• 1:03:16
  think you'll make an impact. I liked what I saw out of Kiante
• 1:03:20
  Jenkins in a limited role early in the year last year.
• 1:03:23
  I think he had obviously has an opportunity to play well Jr.
• 1:03:25
  Walker is a guy. I thought would play a little
• 1:03:29
  bit more than he did last year. You know, he was in the fold
• 1:03:33
  little bit. I thought he play more but yeah
• 1:03:35
  I like the unit a lot safety and whip and Shamari.
• 1:03:40
  Sure I know is obviously going to going to play a lot and
• 1:03:42
  they'll move him all around the secondary.
• 1:03:45
  But yeah I like this here at a lot confidence.
• 1:03:47
  Level is about a 6 because even if they have to play young guys,
• 1:03:51
  I'm confident they can get the job done.
• 1:03:53
  Because if Quixote Jenkins plays a little bit more than we
• 1:03:56
  expect, I'm okay with that. Like yeah, I think he can be a
• 1:03:59
  really good player down the line for Virginia Tech.
• 1:04:01
  Hopefully he stays with the program doesn't transfer.
• 1:04:04
  I hope that they kind of what his pallid enough.
• 1:04:07
  Right. And get him enough snaps because
• 1:04:09
  I think I think he has potential to be a really good safety here
• 1:04:13
  but yeah I really like this here at a lot.
• 1:04:14
  A lot of potential and the ceiling gets raised
• 1:04:18
  exponentially. When you add a guy like Devin
• 1:04:20
  Hunter back into the room with all the potential that he has.
• 1:04:23
  And the kind of recruit that he was, I mean he obviously has the
• 1:04:26
  athleticism and the ceiling to get the job done, but it will be
• 1:04:30
  really cool to see him. Potentially get that opportunity
• 1:04:33
  to kind of shine like we all expect him to Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:04:36
  I'm with you essentially. All three of us where I'm at a 6
• 1:04:40
  on this too because I think pay daily coming in.
• 1:04:43
  You lose, you know, Divine Diablo in the back end, but you
• 1:04:47
  have a guy like, Daddy, like you guys have said, he went to
• 1:04:49
  Vanderbilt, not good football. He was a big football player.
• 1:04:52
  Devon hunter in the thing is, let's flash back to August of
• 1:04:56
  last year in the comments that were being made Devon's ready,
• 1:04:59
  Devon's ready? It was just like I think
• 1:05:02
  everybody you know connection like oh my God he is going to
• 1:05:04
  take over the Rover, boundary safety position and he is going
• 1:05:08
  to excel. Then everything happens, he does
• 1:05:11
  all the right things. He gets back in with the
• 1:05:13
  football program. So it not only bolsters that
• 1:05:16
  positions where you can say that was the weaker of the two
• 1:05:19
  positions, because Kiante played free safety last year.
• 1:05:23
  And with this, you've got The fun coming in and obviously he's
• 1:05:29
  probably immediately going into August, like y'all better be
• 1:05:33
  ready because he's going to take that position from whoever's in
• 1:05:36
  it right now. Y'all thought he was motivated
• 1:05:38
  before watch now exactly and his talented and athletic as he was
• 1:05:44
  that rooms ready. The death behind him between Jr.
• 1:05:47
  Walk account, the genomes and one person that y'all haven't
• 1:05:52
  mentioned Galen strowman is going to see sometime this year.
• 1:05:57
  He's going to see a ton of special teams.
• 1:05:59
  He's going to see some on the field with the regular unit.
• 1:06:01
  He's one of those guys I kidnap, we went through guys.
• 1:06:04
  You mentioned collapsing at the 4 star month, if Jalen's
• 1:06:07
  permanent had a real season last year.
• 1:06:09
  JLo started would have been a four star Without a doubt.
• 1:06:14
  And You've already might you we listened to some of the
• 1:06:18
  interviews and we've spread some of the stuff they're high on
• 1:06:22
  Jalen right now. They are they really are and I
• 1:06:26
  think you could play some too. I agree.
• 1:06:28
  They're going to find ways to get him on the field for sure
• 1:06:30
  and I don't know if I'm sure they'll tow the line with the
• 1:06:34
  four-game Redshirt rule. Especially if there are no
• 1:06:37
  injuries they're going to tow the line there they're going to
• 1:06:39
  mix them in if there's an injury I think I'll play a lot more.
• 1:06:44
  But listen, guys, as far as the recruiting goes and as far as
• 1:06:49
  you know, some of these guys are concerned with like Lawson and
• 1:06:51
  strowman in particular, there are guys who really did not
• 1:06:54
  benefit from not having to season great.
• 1:06:56
  Not having to see it at least when they were really getting
• 1:06:59
  recruited. And, and look, yeah, well, yeah,
• 1:07:04
  and there's some really talented players in.
• 1:07:08
  Not only protects recruiting class but recruiting classes
• 1:07:11
  across the country, there are being overlooked because there
• 1:07:14
  weren't Because they're, you know, weren't football seasons
• 1:07:16
  at least in the fall when they were really getting recruited.
• 1:07:20
  And I think in strowman and Lawson's case in particular,
• 1:07:23
  they have an opportunity to make a huge impact even though
• 1:07:26
  they're rating might not necessarily reflect it.
• 1:07:30
  Big Time. Absolutely.
• 1:07:32
  Yeah. We were talking about that, like
• 1:07:33
  not having the Camp's not having a fall season and it's probably
• 1:07:39
  going to impact you know, the the 22 class just as much as it
• 1:07:43
  has impacted 21, the great, you know, we're going to we're going
• 1:07:46
  to see some of that trickle-down.
• 1:07:47
  We're already seeing that, you know, so many this cycle have
• 1:07:52
  kind of waited to commit before, you know, this Dead period.
• 1:07:56
  Kind of lifted, they can get into these camps and they can
• 1:07:59
  get on campus and things like Like that.
• 1:08:01
  Yeah and I'll give the staff about look at the staff credit.
• 1:08:04
  I think there's some ball players and their recruiting
• 1:08:06
  class. I just got and I know the rating
• 1:08:08
  wasn't there. It was an improvement from from
• 1:08:11
  the, you know, class, two cycles ago.
• 1:08:13
  I for sure, but there are some ballplayers there and I know it
• 1:08:19
  wasn't the highest rated class in the ACC.
• 1:08:21
  I know wasn't as high as a lot of fans would have liked but
• 1:08:23
  there's some ballplayers there and there's some guys have a lot
• 1:08:26
  of potential. Yeah, it's one of those classes
• 1:08:29
  that potentially They're just a winter as the head coach in
• 1:08:32
  through 24 years or not. The people are going to look
• 1:08:34
  back and there's gonna be some guys there that are playing huge
• 1:08:37
  roles whether he's the coach or whether we have a brand new
• 1:08:40
  coach Mike. I see you're a very happy man
• 1:08:43
  right now. Your Bruins closed it out and
• 1:08:45
  ot2 one. So oh yeah.
• 1:08:49
  Good for Hamilton in. I help it.
• 1:08:51
  If we don't hear you like stopping like shut up.
• 1:08:56
  We just scored. I'm celebrating the drink.
• 1:08:58
  You guys are Jeremy. You guys.
• 1:09:00
  Had Jeremy on here. Like there is a weird 90 minutes
• 1:09:04
  of Jameson. Right.
• 1:09:08
  It's a lot to live up to you. That's right, there's times
• 1:09:13
  where we're sitting here and just Chad, the next thing, you
• 1:09:15
  know, like he's like staring at a game like Bron that son of a
• 1:09:19
  bitch. Just did.
• 1:09:20
  So and so Brian. By the way.
• 1:09:21
  Braun. We are a few minutes away from
• 1:09:22
  your Lakers tipping off. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Zero confidence in that. Just like I do in the
• 1:09:28
  quarterback room. There is no play though.
• 1:09:31
  He'll be okay. We'll see it again.
• 1:09:35
  All right, let's go to the last group guys and wrap this up
• 1:09:37
  tonight quarterback. And I'm going to, I'm going to
• 1:09:42
  jump on this one. I'm putting quarterback at a
• 1:09:44
  seven between Dorian strong. Great freshman All-American
• 1:09:49
  campaign, hopefully, and I'm put it at a seven out of six.
• 1:09:54
  Hopefully, an optimistic that your main water gets back to his
• 1:09:58
  2019 ways along. Along with guys like Brian
• 1:10:01
  Murray Armani Chapman, who got a ton of playing time last year,
• 1:10:06
  the new man on campus today. Do you harvest them out in
• 1:10:10
  California? I just feel like the depth of
• 1:10:12
  this room, they're good. Could I want to see your main
• 1:10:17
  water and get back to that 2019 form?
• 1:10:19
  Because it's germane, Walter gets back to that 2019 form.
• 1:10:22
  My opinion is in the first two days of the NFL draft remain
• 1:10:25
  Waller will be gone off the board.
• 1:10:27
  That's my opinion. Yeah, I think last year him
• 1:10:31
  being banged, probably gave me that seven because so many
• 1:10:35
  younger guys got the opportunity to get on the field and to get
• 1:10:39
  that knowledge that you can have a thousand spring practices
• 1:10:43
  actually being in the game against the component, against
• 1:10:46
  your competition. That's how you grow the most I'm
• 1:10:50
  at Nate with this group. Yeah, I'm high on this great
• 1:10:55
  guys. And I look and, and part of the
• 1:10:58
  reason why I'm so high on the corners in particular, is
• 1:11:02
  because you also have guys that safety who can kind of slide
• 1:11:04
  around, if their depth issues and injuries one guy that I
• 1:11:08
  didn't mention. And I don't think you guys
• 1:11:11
  mentioned either, Devon Taylor. Like I mentioned him in the
• 1:11:15
  safety group, I was saying he could play call our safety here
• 1:11:18
  now down and out. Listen, now if he plays some
• 1:11:21
  corner where like he had to slide and safety last year on
• 1:11:24
  the Sesame, if you play some corner, I mean, we're cooking
• 1:11:28
  with gas and then you got DJ Harvey as a freshman.
• 1:11:31
  You got your main Waller. This is a really talented group,
• 1:11:36
  guys. Free on Marie.
• 1:11:38
  I think Briana Marie's, fantastic.
• 1:11:41
  Dorian. Strong obviously freshman
• 1:11:42
  All-American, really good player.
• 1:11:45
  Free on Marie if he doesn't get covid.
• 1:11:47
  I mean, he's an all ACC player last year without Waller in the
• 1:11:51
  fold and he got kovin, kind of things went sideways, he missed
• 1:11:54
  a bunch of time but brie en mer, he's a really good player.
• 1:11:57
  There's depth all over the field and the secondary.
• 1:12:00
  And, you know, I mentioned, I think I put safeties at a 6, I
• 1:12:06
  put Corners at an eight. I think you obviously, if you
• 1:12:10
  average the group The Seven, I mean this is the street, this
• 1:12:13
  rank the teams. Secondary the defensive backs,
• 1:12:17
  the versatility, the way you can mix and match their going to be
• 1:12:21
  a lot of talented guys here. This year, the don't play a lot
• 1:12:24
  of snaps, just because there are too many guys for to few spots.
• 1:12:28
  I wish we end again, roster management, right?
• 1:12:31
  You have a lot of really good players here in the secondary.
• 1:12:34
  Like I wish we had that problem all over the field then we're
• 1:12:37
  like Clemson. We got what logic players like
• 1:12:40
  Jordan Williams who would choose transfers in who didn't play a
• 1:12:43
  lot of Clemson obviously really capable and talented player.
• 1:12:47
  We got to have that problem everywhere.
• 1:12:49
  Then we're cooking with gas. Yeah, I'm right with you there.
• 1:12:52
  Mike, I've got a as well Jermaine.
• 1:12:55
  Well, we're coming back. Hopefully fully healthy.
• 1:12:58
  Ready to roll. You got Dorian, strong had a
• 1:13:01
  great freshman campaign, Breann Marie that you mentioned, it was
• 1:13:06
  playing really well before he was injured Armani Chapman is
• 1:13:09
  really talented even though he's been somewhat inconsistent.
• 1:13:12
  And then, you've got Devon Taylor.
• 1:13:13
  That's With the depth that we now have at safety, you know,
• 1:13:17
  can slot in there at the quarterback position where he's
• 1:13:20
  more of a natural fit. Then you got the young guys
• 1:13:23
  coming in between DJ Harvey and a couple of the other younger
• 1:13:28
  quarterbacks that we had in this class.
• 1:13:30
  I just, I feel really good about this group.
• 1:13:33
  You know, you really got 55 players that have seen
• 1:13:36
  significant snaps at the quarterback position at the
• 1:13:39
  power 5 level, two of them that have done it very damn.
• 1:13:44
  Well, and a couple others that that working, you know, played
• 1:13:47
  well in spots, even if they were consistent in their total
• 1:13:50
  campaign for 2020. What's also be realistic guys,
• 1:13:55
  Justin Hamilton actually had a spring to install.
• 1:13:58
  What the hell he wants to do? Yeah, last year it was on the
• 1:14:01
  flight. Now what do you disagree or
• 1:14:05
  agree with what he tried to do to install it?
• 1:14:06
  A lot of people will tell you dude you should have you new
• 1:14:10
  blood system like the back of your hand.
• 1:14:12
  You should have stuck with it. Maybe they win 8 games last
• 1:14:15
  year. Maybe they wouldn't sell, maybe
• 1:14:16
  they have a better season and we're not where we are from a
• 1:14:20
  Viewpoint of the coaching staff, but he didn't.
• 1:14:23
  But I think that also helps this year because I actually can give
• 1:14:27
  you game footage against North Carolina Clemson.
• 1:14:31
  Do you, where you messed this up?
• 1:14:33
  This is in game and now we have a spring to go practice it, make
• 1:14:37
  it, right? So, as we get into fall, we
• 1:14:40
  essentially put everything together as we March.
• 1:14:44
  Towards Labor Day Friday. Yep.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah and I think just to him and talked a lot about like
• 1:14:48
  streamlining and keeping what's good and editing and things like
• 1:14:53
  that when he was talking some of the off Seasons videos we've
• 1:14:57
  seen so hopefully we'll see some of that obviously just having
• 1:15:01
  the time and the actual on field coaching that you can do with a
• 1:15:06
  spring with the full fall. That's going to pay a bunch of
• 1:15:10
  dividends and just having most of these guys that have already
• 1:15:13
  been in this. This system to a point for a
• 1:15:15
  season like Curtis mentioned, you know, I feel like they're
• 1:15:19
  going to be in a lot better place than they were especially
• 1:15:22
  at the start of the season last year but definitely, you know,
• 1:15:25
  for all I just think the quality across college football and I
• 1:15:30
  know we're talking about the Hokies but I think just the
• 1:15:32
  quality of football in September and October it's going to be so
• 1:15:36
  much greater this year and it was last year.
• 1:15:39
  I mean A lot of a lot of teams season since start till mid to
• 1:15:43
  late September last year and then, you know, some teams in
• 1:15:47
  start to October and then you look at the Pac-12.
• 1:15:51
  Didn't start playing until November crazy.
• 1:15:54
  But like, when looking back on it, I think about the quality of
• 1:15:58
  football. We soften the beginning of the
• 1:15:59
  year last year, and I even just Virginia, Texas across college
• 1:16:02
  football, again, the last year to like the playoff.
• 1:16:05
  Once we got the college football, playoff, it was like,
• 1:16:07
  all right, like beasts. Teams are really good.
• 1:16:11
  Like we've never seen good football and it felt normal
• 1:16:14
  again. You know what I mean?
• 1:16:15
  Yeah, and I'm hoping that now with a real offseason and I
• 1:16:19
  think this will be the case, obviously, with a real
• 1:16:21
  offseason. You know, restrictions are being
• 1:16:23
  lifted. Everybody's being able to
• 1:16:24
  practice and bring recruits on campus, all that stuff.
• 1:16:27
  Like I feel like Ryan get a better football season early in
• 1:16:32
  the year than we did last year. It was a weird year and I feel
• 1:16:35
  like we're just in Hamilton particular being able to install
• 1:16:38
  your scheme and have guy. Is be able to be comfortable
• 1:16:42
  with kind of what they kind of learn on the Fly last year.
• 1:16:46
  I think there's an opportunity for a lot of young guys to play
• 1:16:50
  early and play well and a lot of the veterans play a lot better
• 1:16:53
  than we saw a year ago. Yeah.
• 1:16:56
  I'll say one thing I know Curtis you mentioned like you're
• 1:16:59
  choosing not to go kind of more back to Budds elements.
• 1:17:03
  Once once covid, hit that was going to be a hard sell because
• 1:17:06
  you were already, you know, mid-march you had already
• 1:17:09
  started your Installation. There was there's you no doubt
• 1:17:13
  have been full on, you know, changing direction, Midstream
• 1:17:17
  there. So that would have been a hard
• 1:17:18
  sell for your players. I feel like so you're damned if
• 1:17:23
  you do damned if you don't in a lot of ways, when it comes to
• 1:17:26
  that, that choice that Justin would have had to make it.
• 1:17:29
  Is it and it was a tough choice to make at that point in time.
• 1:17:32
  I mean, what's happened essentially, the last 15 months
• 1:17:36
  is something potentially will probably never see again.
• 1:17:40
  In Our Lifetime like this. And you talk about college
• 1:17:44
  football. If you don't remember, Hokies
• 1:17:48
  essentially finish fall camp. They're expecting a one-week
• 1:17:52
  break, then we're going to play the first game.
• 1:17:55
  Who would break out happens? It's pushed back multiple weeks.
• 1:18:01
  We're not going to see that this year.
• 1:18:03
  We're not going to see that this year when Labor Day kicks off
• 1:18:07
  until Thanksgiving night. Is me.
• 1:18:10
  And Brian will probably be sitting here at the computer me,
• 1:18:12
  staring at the television screen.
• 1:18:14
  Six drinks, deep screaming at some West 4th, Cavalry game,
• 1:18:19
  because we decided to get on MGM bets and decided to lay two
• 1:18:22
  hundred bucks on it, because we were going.
• 1:18:24
  Yeah. I mean, you know this is kind of
• 1:18:32
  going off topic. The full expectation is Lanes
• 1:18:36
  going to be full this year for Lane Stadium, to me is a plus 2.
• 1:18:42
  When Virginia Tech there were games last year that we're lost
• 1:18:47
  that a 10-lane stadium. Full capacity would have been
• 1:18:51
  wins. That's my opinion.
• 1:18:54
  Yeah. Are you talking about Liberty?
• 1:18:57
  Yeah, I was just yes, I'm talking about because that game.
• 1:19:06
  It's been mentioned in probably, everybody's heard there was no
• 1:19:10
  juice and egg. Now, the guys didn't feel it.
• 1:19:13
  And everybody bullshitted everybody set there and tried to
• 1:19:15
  say and we'll go on a tangent here.
• 1:19:19
  Well, we're to play delivered anyway with a fucking lost them,
• 1:19:22
  open and fucking weekend. No, they were, we probably would
• 1:19:25
  have beat them by 20 1. Don't give you this, but they're
• 1:19:28
  the same team. No Liberty played a bunch of
• 1:19:31
  cupcakes, leading up to Virginia Tech.
• 1:19:33
  They were able to completely install what they wanted to do.
• 1:19:36
  Ooh, offensive ly Hugh freeze is a damn good coach.
• 1:19:39
  He is a damn good coach. He will not be at Liberty next
• 1:19:42
  year when they go down and three, I don't know where he'll
• 1:19:45
  be. I'm sitting here thinking, man,
• 1:19:50
  he will be somewhere at a power. Five job opening weekend.
• 1:19:55
  That doesn't happen, because he doesn't have time to fully
• 1:19:58
  install, and know how he's going to run against Virginia Tech.
• 1:20:01
  I agree? I mean, he's not art briles,
• 1:20:03
  right? I mean, he'll find a job, I'll
• 1:20:05
  be all right. Roughly.
• 1:20:06
  How many different servers? Yeah, it's not.
• 1:20:11
  I mean, that he's don't don't use the university.
• 1:20:16
  Yeah. Phone like there's a phone.
• 1:20:19
  There were issuing you. Yeah, because all the escorts,
• 1:20:22
  that's what. Yeah, I mean he'll listen, he'll
• 1:20:25
  get a job. I mean people are going to take
• 1:20:27
  a chance on Hugh freeze. I mean, give me a break.
• 1:20:29
  Is he's going to Liberty, win nine, ten games a year.
• 1:20:31
  I mean it'll be they'll find a job Lane kiffin found a job.
• 1:20:36
  Like all these guys, you know, they find jobs, man, like it'll
• 1:20:40
  be, it'll be. Alright, I mean, art, briles
• 1:20:42
  different situation but I don't know.
• 1:20:46
  It's, it's interesting. I mean, I think this is a really
• 1:20:50
  important year for Virginia Tech obviously I think that having
• 1:20:54
  fans back in the stands will definitely help.
• 1:20:56
  I don't think you lose a game like Liberty.
• 1:20:59
  If you got full capacity, I'll pee comes down to a final play.
• 1:21:04
  That was weird and everybody. I just want a bad coach.
• 1:21:07
  I mean, to be quite honest with you in the five years that
• 1:21:11
  Puente has been in Blacksburg his x's and o's in my opinion,
• 1:21:16
  have been okay. I disagree with some of the
• 1:21:19
  roster management stuff. Yeah but in game situational
• 1:21:22
  football by and large in five years, I've actually been okay
• 1:21:26
  with and that hasn't been the issue for me with him, it's been
• 1:21:30
  the recruiting. It's been the persistence to
• 1:21:33
  stick with your guys when you know that they're not Your guys
• 1:21:36
  being your staff by the way, when you know that they may not
• 1:21:41
  necessarily be the people for the job.
• 1:21:45
  The hardheadedness has bothered me a lot.
• 1:21:47
  Okay. So first the in-game X's and
• 1:21:50
  O's, I've honestly been okay with for the most part.
• 1:21:54
  I think you spend a, he's been a fine coach from that standpoint.
• 1:21:58
  I think he knows football. I think we're not standpoint,
• 1:22:01
  he's a good football coach, there's other stuff.
• 1:22:04
  I worry about the people, man. Management.
• 1:22:06
  The Ross that you know the roster management as well when
• 1:22:09
  you extend it to actual players and then the recruiting has been
• 1:22:14
  a problem in college football. You're totally made by
• 1:22:17
  recruiting. I mean, there are a lot of a lot
• 1:22:19
  of good there. A lot of just okay.
• 1:22:22
  Coaches that make their hey on recruiting and they're just good
• 1:22:24
  recruiters and they stick around for a long time when he's not
• 1:22:27
  one of them. So he's got to find a way to
• 1:22:30
  kind of Remedy that I just don't know again, I don't know if he's
• 1:22:32
  going to have the time, you know?
• 1:22:34
  It's true. And but the thing is, you talk
• 1:22:37
  about his recruiting. We've seen like when it leaked
• 1:22:41
  last years in a row Pollard video from the locker room
• 1:22:44
  internet. Yep.
• 1:22:46
  You sit here and say, dude, if you take that and let the
• 1:22:49
  public, see it, people are going to love you.
• 1:22:52
  You show fire, you show compassion.
• 1:22:55
  It's like he's one of these guys that has a probably behind
• 1:22:58
  closed doors has a personality that would turn on 95% of
• 1:23:03
  people. In someone's telling him or
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  maybe behind the scenes in his mind.
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  Well, I can't do this. I have to do things different
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  where it should be. Just go be yourself because if
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  you're making the players buy into you which again we see some
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  of those videos. It looks like the locker room, a
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  lot of times and bought into him.
• 1:23:24
  You've got to get the fans to buying.
• 1:23:25
  You got to get the recruiting, you don't like it.
• 1:23:27
  That's fine. Essentially, a lot of head
• 1:23:31
  coaches, don't like it. But what they learned to master
• 1:23:33
  is they learn to master the final cell and they walk through
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  that front door, the kids living room and they sell it to the
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  parents and that's what he's got to learn.
• 1:23:44
  My bigger thing with him, the roster management is bad.
• 1:23:47
  The coaching staff Management's worse.
• 1:23:49
  Let us basket. But Alabama, the day Holloman
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  Williams. Got that call from He should
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  have looked at Brad. Poor Nelson and said you're
• 1:23:55
  getting a co-offensive coordinator holliman's going up.
• 1:23:58
  Yep, gonna pay Holloman. More housing was his best
• 1:24:01
  recruiter and clearly we have seen a steady decline in wide
• 1:24:06
  receiver flakes in Solomon left. With the exception of blocking
• 1:24:10
  his Jafar Williams, can teach some fucking blocking for his
• 1:24:13
  body, is wide receivers block their ass off.
• 1:24:17
  They don't get a lot of catches block their ass, that's for damn
• 1:24:20
  sure. The other pieces, this is this
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  goes back a long time ago, Mike probably when you were born or
• 1:24:27
  right before you were born with me with you and Donald pups.
• 1:24:30
  This is similar to 1993. And it's a place where Frank
• 1:24:34
  Beamer was against the wall, the Ada gave him the vote of
• 1:24:38
  confidence. Now, Frank that year made some
• 1:24:41
  significant changes to his coaching staff.
• 1:24:44
  Yeah. He essentially guys who had came
• 1:24:47
  with him, he fired. Yeah, but we didn't do it now.
• 1:24:51
  Maybe for one day, feels maybe some things change internally on
• 1:24:56
  how things are done, and maybe that's what he needs because one
• 1:25:00
  of these, this is the way I think.
• 1:25:03
  Only us three is Hokie fans, too.
• 1:25:07
  We both called for his job last year, I called it after the
• 1:25:09
  Liberty game, Brian called it after the pit game, like, he's
• 1:25:12
  got to be fired, you wrote the damn article after the pit came
• 1:25:15
  you do it was annulled. It's over like I'm through we
• 1:25:21
  are three fans though who agree at a point in 2020, he should
• 1:25:26
  have been fired, but we are also three fans that sit here and say
• 1:25:31
  I hope we have a good season because it is harder to dig out
• 1:25:36
  from the bar. Bottom than it is to get your
• 1:25:39
  way back to the Top. If he has a good season, we're
• 1:25:42
  not down to bottom. We're actually on the way back
• 1:25:44
  up. We have a u9 season.
• 1:25:47
  People can say yeah he's fired. Fuck him.
• 1:25:51
  Y'all know how tough it's going to be to overcome the look of
• 1:25:55
  being under four games. 500 over the last four.
• 1:26:00
  See ya you know how hard that is to overcome?
• 1:26:03
  Do you know, everybody says Nick Saban and Alabama, go look at
• 1:26:07
  the Alabama record leading up to a Nick, Saban got there and even
• 1:26:12
  huh. It wasn't that bad.
• 1:26:14
  It wasn't that bad but it still took saving once.
• 1:26:17
  Reason to get it figured out. Yeah, he was getting some studs
• 1:26:21
  in there. Yeah, we go to Rock Bottom.
• 1:26:24
  We are not the type of program that is going to have the one
• 1:26:27
  year bounce to be winning 10 and 11 games.
• 1:26:31
  In some people don't realize. Yeah, some people don't study
• 1:26:34
  the history of Virginia Tech and don't understand until Bill
• 1:26:37
  Dooley. Got here.
• 1:26:38
  Jerry clay, when was the other guy that had significant 10
• 1:26:42
  years? That was a really significant
• 1:26:44
  and successful head coach until do.
• 1:26:45
  The games may not be took me till 86 to give you the Peach
• 1:26:49
  Bowl. And then, well, obviously
• 1:26:51
  everything came out that he was doing a lot of shit under table
• 1:26:55
  and fucked Frank's First Years up.
• 1:26:58
  So Don't always wish for someone to get fired because if it
• 1:27:04
  happens, it means it's going to be a bad season and it's going
• 1:27:08
  to take a lot of digging to get back to where we were in really,
• 1:27:11
  where we were just four short years ago.
• 1:27:14
  Yeah, to two quick things. The point you made about, you
• 1:27:19
  know, wanting success. I battle with people and social
• 1:27:23
  media because I mean you guys know this battle people at
• 1:27:28
  Battle people on social media because Like, oh, you should
• 1:27:30
  want want a to be fired because we should expect more?
• 1:27:34
  Yeah, we should absolutely expect more.
• 1:27:36
  We should be, you know, how are you absolutely sure.
• 1:27:41
  The next guy is going to be more successful in the guy we have
• 1:27:43
  now, right? And that doesn't that doesn't
• 1:27:46
  mean that you don't fire. The guy you have now.
• 1:27:48
  That's not what I'm saying. You can fire him but there's no
• 1:27:53
  guarantee you're going to bat a thousand when you hire the next
• 1:27:55
  guy. Yeah.
• 1:27:57
  You should want the current guy to have success and it's really
• 1:28:00
  hard to dig out from the bottom. Curtis, that's a great point.
• 1:28:04
  It's really hard to dig out when you hit rock bottom because it
• 1:28:09
  takes years to rebuild that culture to rebuild that that
• 1:28:14
  trust in recruiting that you're doing the right thing.
• 1:28:17
  You're making the right strides, you got to want to have the
• 1:28:20
  coach that is in place right now to have success.
• 1:28:24
  You know, there are people who are negative all the time on
• 1:28:27
  social media you know, talking about recruiting be A door team
• 1:28:30
  being bad. Like, we can all see that, but
• 1:28:34
  you talked about constantly doesn't make it any better,
• 1:28:37
  right? Like, you got to want to have
• 1:28:40
  success with the guys that are there.
• 1:28:42
  Now, you got support the staff, that's there.
• 1:28:44
  Now, as a fan, even if you don't believe they're the right,
• 1:28:48
  people, leave the lead the program, that's a huge point.
• 1:28:52
  And then the one other thing you mentioned Curtis about, you
• 1:28:56
  know, Beamer and you know, the early 90s and he made the
• 1:28:59
  decision to Kind of fire the guys on staff.
• 1:29:02
  That's kind of the problem I have with want a, yes, we're
• 1:29:05
  circling back. This kind of total 180 from what
• 1:29:07
  I just said, circling back to 220 himself.
• 1:29:12
  The difference between Beamer and Fontes, Beamer pulled the
• 1:29:15
  trigger on guys. He was friends with.
• 1:29:18
  So you did want a hasn't done that, right?
• 1:29:22
  Yeah. Obvious guys, core Nelson and
• 1:29:24
  get use engineered some of the highest rated offenses and text
• 1:29:27
  history, but it's the got it. It's the place in the middle of
• 1:29:31
  the game, right? It's the roster management with
• 1:29:33
  some of the guys were like, you know what, they should get the
• 1:29:36
  ball more, or you just start this guy quarterback, your
• 1:29:39
  quarterbacks coach, right? You start at quarterback, right?
• 1:29:43
  It's that kind of stuff that bothers us with cornelissen.
• 1:29:46
  It's not the play design you know play designs.
• 1:29:49
  Good. That's real problem.
• 1:29:52
  That's not the problem. And you know people say is play
• 1:29:56
  designs trash. I just you know you discard that
• 1:29:59
  discard that That that's, that's not correct, right?
• 1:30:01
  He's already brought. I'll let the man.
• 1:30:04
  I'll let the big guy talk about. Yeah, we talked about his all
• 1:30:07
  the time. Play design is not the problem
• 1:30:09
  when he's on, its how those plays are called, the
• 1:30:12
  sequencing, the situational calling situation, those things,
• 1:30:16
  and how to, as you said, how to deploy the talent you have on
• 1:30:20
  the offensive, your offensive weapons, how you deploy that you
• 1:30:23
  get them the ball. Exactly.
• 1:30:24
  I played for a coach and hampden-sydney that like he had
• 1:30:27
  a very basketball buying said he wanted to Get the ball into the
• 1:30:31
  hands of his Playmakers as much as possible and I feel like we
• 1:30:36
  don't we don't do that for that. I while we do that.
• 1:30:39
  Yeah, well we do that. And then the one, the one more
• 1:30:41
  quick thing is and I kind of got off-track there.
• 1:30:46
  But the one thing I wanted to finish with here is that went a
• 1:30:50
  didn't make the decision to fire his friends.
• 1:30:52
  Yep. And you look at Brian Kelly at
• 1:30:54
  Notre Dame in 2016. They go for an eight.
• 1:30:56
  You fired his friends. All right everybody.
• 1:31:00
  And I'll give you fire is Friends.
• 1:31:01
  You've hired the guys that weren't his friends, right?
• 1:31:03
  I've never cleaned house and they've been averaging ten or
• 1:31:06
  eleven wins ever since. And they've been either in the
• 1:31:09
  college football, playoff or Fringe college football.
• 1:31:11
  Playoff teams have been a top 10 team in the country ever since
• 1:31:14
  and Puentes insistence on staying with the guys, he's
• 1:31:19
  friends with could lead to his demise in my opinion.
• 1:31:26
  I agree. I agree.
• 1:31:29
  Well my, before we wrap up, we wanted to give you a little
• 1:31:31
  opportunity here to kind of promote anything.
• 1:31:34
  You're working on, anything you want to talk about will just
• 1:31:37
  kind of give you the floor here for a little bit.
• 1:31:40
  Yeah, sons of Saturday.com. Go check it out there.
• 1:31:44
  I write a lot more during football season and basketballs,
• 1:31:47
  isn't that you right now in the offseason but will be getting a
• 1:31:50
  bit more into that now as the off season progresses a little
• 1:31:53
  bit basketball conference, Like ACC football that's one of the
• 1:31:58
  podcast. I do just covers the entire ACC
• 1:32:00
  so go check that out and then for hokey coverage I do have my
• 1:32:04
  own Virginia Tech football, podcast, hokey hangover, go
• 1:32:08
  check that out as well. We recorded something actually
• 1:32:11
  this afternoon on you 2D situation and 700 returning.
• 1:32:15
  So definitely go check that out. We try to record about once a
• 1:32:20
  week, but the offseason is a little bit less frequent.
• 1:32:24
  Yep, we know all too well about no, that's terrible.
• 1:32:27
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• 1:32:31
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• 1:32:34
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