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Inside the Hoosier Mind -Michigan Gets a new AD, Bron to the 76ers · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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  Well, we are back. We were almost to the end of
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  July. And Joe, you know what that
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  means. You know what?
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  You know what happens next month?
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  I assume the cats get a different flavor of beard cream.
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  Yes, you're not wrong on that. But we get the tiny, tiny, tiny
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  tiny little inkling of football starting next month.
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  Real. Real football, because we have
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  Technically, the preseason for the NFL technically kicks off
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  next month, but we have our very first college football game of
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  Week 0 happening next month as well with Kansas State taking up
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  not Kansas State. What am I doing?
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  TCU taking on the other purple team, taking on North Carolina
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  in Ireland to start off Week 0 next month.
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  So we're getting there. But in the meantime, we've had
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  some kind of fresh hot news blowing in, especially because
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  it's the summer. And what better way to fill the
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  summer than with all the drama and all the debates in the
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  entire world. We've got the Michigan athletic
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  director stepping down. LeBron James has finally decided
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  he wants to pick a team in like the worst possible way, but he's
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  not ring chasing. But he's still the GOAT.
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  Maybe not really question mark. And then we have the SEC media
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  days concluded last week and now we have the Big 10 media days
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  kicking off this week. But that led to a whole lot of
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  questions for the SEC. But nonetheless, though, let's
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  start with probably the first and the biggest question,
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  though, of the Michigan athletic director, Ward Manuel stepping
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  down at the end of this calendar year, given everything that
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  happened with Jim Horribaugh, with Connor Stallions, I think
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  they said 13 staffers on that Michigan staff they've had to
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  cut or let go. And it just goes to show you
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  that even though he has been the athletic director for Michigan
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  since 2016, so going into his 10th year, that you can win a
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  national championship in football within the last three
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  years. And you can win a national
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  championship in men's basketball last year, literally this past
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  season. And it's not enough to save you
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  from getting ousted as the athletic director.
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  Joe, I know this is your favorite team.
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  So this probably hits a little bit of a soft spot for, you
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  know, you're crushed. But what's your thoughts?
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  Did I guess, did he really deserve to?
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  Basically, it's kind of like he's being ousted as the
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  scapegoat or one of the scapegoats at the moment because
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  of all the shenanigans. So two things to to add on to
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  what you said, not only winning a national title, but then your
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  winning head coach goes to the pros, doesn't want to state the
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  program. So there it's kind of a red
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  flag. And also, as much as I love
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  dunking on the Harbaugh's and seeing how they're not allowed
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  on campus for five years, which is, you know, not a great, you
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  know, great thing for your, you know, national title winning
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  coach to have their replacement was let go because he
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  impregnated A staffer and then was crazy and went to jail.
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  Like, I mean, what has happened to Michigan athletics?
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  And I say that that is unfair to the other teams in the sports
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  that have kept themselves clean. But the two biggest sports at
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  the University of Michigan, Michigan, which are men's
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  basketball and men's football have had huge, huge and weird
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  things happen. Winning national titles, coaches
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  leaving. Again, if a guy wants to go to
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  the pros, that's fine. It is kind of odd that he took
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  the Dallas job because yes, Cooper flag is going to be good,
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  but it's not like they have Luka Doncic.
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  It's not like it's the Lakers like it is Michigan basketball.
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  You can create a legacy there. You can build something.
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  You can keep recruiting. You can you have a university,
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  as much as I don't like them, that has pretty deep pockets
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  with the NIL and all this stuff. So it's not like it's a, it's
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  not like Butler and Brad Stevens years ago, like this is a
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  program that can sustain itself for a very long time.
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  And the football team, I mean, at this point, what you don't
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  say about the football team is, is more surprising than what you
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  do because it is just, you know, they have these top recruiting
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  classes, but then they never have high end talent, but
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  they're competitive. But then their coaching is, I
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  mean, again, you talked about it Harbaugh Stallions more like
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  what is going on here? And again, this is this is what
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  happens when we talked about this on the last show I was on
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  and thank you again for having me on, by the way.
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  But when you get into NIL and all this money and all this
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  drama, whether it's the highest paid coaches in a sport, these
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  kids who are millionaires at 181920 years old and hold a lot
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  of the power, eventually that power got a seep from somewhere.
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  And it's not going to seep from the coaches because they have to
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  be able to control. So it is usually the
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  administrative. It is that these are the guys
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  that in Wall Street that get the golden parachutes to leave.
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  Because the the question really is what is his job?
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  What if in 2026, if you're an athletic director of a Big 10
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  school, of an SEC school, of a Big 12 school, what is your
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  actual job? And I just don't think his job
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  going into year 10 was the same job that it was in 2016 when he
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  was hired. No.
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  And and I will say too for a little bit of for clarification.
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  So according to the reports, Dusty May didn't want to, didn't
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  leave Michigan because he didn't enjoy being there, at least
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  initially. By what we know, Barry, anything
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  else coming out between between now and then it it was basically
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  reported. He he doesn't care for how the
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  college landscape is currently as far as you know, he's
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  constantly having to go out and basically rebuild his roster,
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  which it is frustrating for a lot of these coaches.
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  You know, it is a complete and total adaptation for something
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  that these guys, you know, you look at Dusty May, you look at
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  somebody like, you know, and, and we'll get to him here in a
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  second. You look at Kyle Whittingham.
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  I mean, Kyle Whittingham was the head coach of Utah for 20 years
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  and, you know, he's had to adapt and change how he how he
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  approached Utah football and now coming into Michigan.
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  So it is a big change for them. And it I think it hurts and
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  makes things even more difficult when you have somebody that, you
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  know, looking at the the athletic director, it's like,
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  OK, you've been here for 10 years.
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  Like you've seen literally the highs and the lows of the
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  program for the last decade. And like you said, the fact that
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  there are other programs that their their hands aren't as
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  dirty. They don't have as many issues
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  with all of this. And yet here is a proud and
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  prestigious university that has been around forever.
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  They have tons of graduates, both, you know, academically,
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  you know, professionally, athletically, all of that.
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  And here they are absolutely just struggling and having
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  issues as, as a professional university going through this.
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  It. It does seem weird though,
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  because I guess initially from reports, it seemed like Michigan
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  wants to almost fire him, but it's kind of hard to do that
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  because of his success. And it also seems as though this
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  is going to be their quote UN quote quick fix to to hide this.
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  Now one of the things that I guess makes it more
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  incriminating for him. And I don't know if we would
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  ever find out how much of this, you know, really ties back to
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  him. The the rumor is is that that
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  personal assistant that Sharon Moore had that he had a
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  relationship with Sharon Moore asked if she would be able to
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  travel with him. Which again, weird.
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  First, first weird. And according to reports, Ward
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  Manuel was like, eh, probably not a good look.
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  Not a no, don't do that. Just a eh, may I?
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  May I? Suggest not going through with
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  that is probably what he said. Right.
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  And like it, it begs the question, who has to be the
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  adult in the room then of like, hey, man, you know, not, not,
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  not, not boss to subordinate, not athletic director to head
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  coach Ward to Sharon, man to man brother, not no.
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  Not. Just no, don't do it.
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  Just just tell me now. Don't do it so.
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  There's a there's a great piece of advice that I have for
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  anybody who's going to somebody with an awkward question.
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  OK, So if you, Tony, come to me and say, hey, Joe, I have this
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  girl, we're having a fling, I'm married.
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  You think I should bring her on the road?
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  Let me pick up the phone as the person who just received that
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  question, call my boss and say, hey, I got this side piece, I'm
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  married. Can I take her on the road?
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  And if the person who just asked me that question looks at me
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  like, hey, hey, hey, what are you doing?
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  Then they should probably know the answer already.
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  We, we all want to be kind of told what we feel is good, not
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  what the right answer is. And the fact that Moore
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  apparently went to Manuel and said, hey, you know, I think
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  it'd be cool if she could travel with us.
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  And Manuel didn't immediately go.
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  Why? Because he knew the answer.
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  And and that's again, it's like I talked about when you start
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  losing, when the power structure moves, when the, you know, the
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  availability of money, when the availability of power is more
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  open than it used to be because it went before was before
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  athletic director was the top dog, then the coaches, the
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  coaches overtook athletic directors.
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  We know that, especially in football and basketball.
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  And now the kids are getting to where the coaches were and
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  they're fighting for the top. I mean, it's the same reason
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  we've seen, I mean, we talked about with Soresby.
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  I mean, the whole half, the state of Texas was ready to
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  revolt to let this kid play. And the other half is like, get
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  the kid out of here. He broke the rules.
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  Like the the power structure and the bleeding of everything is so
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  weird. And, and again, for a university
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  that had such success in the last three years or the last
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  five years of national championships in two major
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  sports in men's and obviously making money for him to step
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  down. And then, like you said,
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  reportedly they want to fire him.
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  So they want to fire him because they found out the smoking gun
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  from the Moore stuff. Or was it?
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  Is this the Jimmy Johnson trade chart where so many scandals
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  gets you so many points and finally, the value just isn't
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  worth it. Like, hey, we're paying you $12
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  million a year, but if we're going to get sanctions, lose
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  scholarships and the donations are going to stop coming in,
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  then you're not worth it anymore.
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  And I don't know where the scandal rankings rate, but
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  clearly the people of Michigan have decided that this guy is
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  not worth it. And, and you would know this
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  better than I would because despite being an avid reader of
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  the Michigan Daily, I don't know if there is anybody who is who,
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  who's going to be the new AD. Are they going to try and be
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  like Carbaugh and and get the big name and old?
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  I mean, I'm throwing it out there.
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  Could this be a Brady spot? Then so somebody had mentioned
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  that I think and I I don't know how much you listen to the radio
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  or how much you listen to some of these sports shows. 2 pros
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  and a cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, Lavar Arrington and Jonas
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  Knox. Hey, don't listen.
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  I think they mentioned it or maybe maybe somebody else, maybe
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  another big time show had mentioned that would just be
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  like one more thing to check off of Brady's like professional To
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  Do List of like he's a partial owner of the Raiders.
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  You know, he's a color commentator for Fox, for the
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  NFL, like. He's going to be a WWE star here
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  soon. He signed a deal with them.
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  I know. And he they of course created
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  the storyline of him smacking Logan Paul.
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  It's been like a build up for the last like I think year and a
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  half, two years now. So that doesn't surprise me.
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  So I mean, and he obviously loves Michigan.
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  So I mean, what, what other thing for him to dabble in then
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  being, you know, the the the the AD of Michigan?
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  But it does lead me to another question, though, because
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  they're they're finally is an adult in the room.
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  I feel like he's been put in like the worst possible spot and
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  it sucks because I liked him at Utah.
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  I liked him as a head coach and Kyle Whittingham leaves Utah
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  after like 21 years being the head coach there goes to
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  Michigan, he has to already clean up the Cherone Moor mess
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  and basically the guy that probably signed off on helping
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  hire you is getting the boot at the end of the season.
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  And so now not only do you have to right the ship from the
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  basically a football perspective as far as running everything,
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  which a lot of people have said, realistically, when you're the
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  head coach of the football program anyway, you all but run
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  everything to start with. So not only do you have to try
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  to clean everything up, get Michigan back to where they were
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  or at least some type of fundamental stop getting in
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  trouble, like stop putting your private parts where they don't
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  belong or where they shouldn't belong.
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  Like, and he has to come in and clean up all of this on top of
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  he has to try to have success as a football coach on the field
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  with now a sophomore quarterback in Bryce Underwood, who I think
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  I don't necessarily think he underperformed last year.
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  I think a lot of the hype that went into him, the amount of
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  money that they paid him, especially after he decided to
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  transfer well, decommit from LSU and decide to commit to Michigan
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  to go there. You know, the the, the height
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  was behind him that he was supposed to be the the next
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  great coming. He's this five star quarterback
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  and whatnot, but they didn't really have the weapons or the
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  supporting cast around him. Now it seems like they do.
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  They caught a couple of key pieces as far as the transfer
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  portal goes and whatnot. It seems like they've built
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  themselves back up. And I think with Kyle
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  Wittingham, if we've seen anything from him at Utah, he
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  over performs with what you could probably consider
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  underrated talent. But to you, do you feel like, do
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  you feel like if let's say, let's say Michigan only gets
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  like nine wins this season, Do you think then there's already
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  Michigan fans coming out like, oh, you know, he's he's not
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  going to be got because they got nine wins last year with Sharon
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  Moore and that was a miss. I think if they get nine wins
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  this year, they should be doing backflips.
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  I think with everything going on, they should be extremely
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  happy with nine wins. Now, as always, when it comes to
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  the Big 10 and when it comes to robberies, it's going to matter
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  who the nine wins come against. We know that.
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  We know if it's if it's not against Penn State, if it's not
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  against Ohio State, if it's not against Michigan State, if it's
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  not against some of these teams, it's not going to matter as
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  much. And we know that.
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  And I think one of the reason that Underwood kind of got lost
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  in the shuffle last year is because Julian San had a much
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  better year than a lot of people predicted.
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  That kid was not going to be this.
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  No, I mean, like I'm an Ohio State fan.
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  That kid was not going into the spring game.
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  The number one consensus started for Ohio State and he came in
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  and he and and this year he is but like last year he was kind
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  of the kid was like, holy crap, that kid in Ohio State freshman
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  is really good. Like they they didn't forget
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  Underwood. But like you said, it's it's not
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  that he had a bad season, just kind of got overshadowed and you
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  know it, it happens. So could they bounce back?
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  Could they get nine wins, ten wins, 11 if it gets kind of
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  crazy? Sure.
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  We've seen the Big 10 get topsy turvy, especially at the end of
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  the year, plenty of times. You know, Cincinnati, Michigan,
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  Ohio State, Wisconsin has done it.
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  Iowa has thrown some things into there.
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  Like it happens. But if I'm a Michigan fan, and
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  I'm definitely not a Michigan fan, I think nine wins this
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  year, I've got to be at least content.
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  I'm not like throwing a parade, but I'm not going to burn down
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  the stadium. I just, I, it's so weird because
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  and I didn't realize that somebody brought this up years
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  ago. I can't remember who was.
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  I wish I could give them credit of like when you were a big time
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  college coach. And again, we're sticking to
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  men's football, men's basketball.
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  If you're the new football coach, you kind of lean on the
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  basketball coach to see what the culture is and kind of like,
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  hey, this is what this is who the big people are.
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  This is who you deal with, blah, blah, blah.
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  But he was coming here and it's all of a sudden like he's now
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  the most tenured coach and he hasn't coached a football game.
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  He is more tenured than the basketball coach.
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  And that's kind of scary when you're a multi $1,000,000
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  program who is second most, third most recognizable in the
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  Big 10. So you're a top 10 by aura, by
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  everything. Like Michigan is a brand.
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  There's Ohio State, there's Penn State, and there's Michigan.
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  You can interchange them however you want.
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  But in 2026, those are the big three.
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  And now going into this with, again, a new athletic director,
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  essentially because he's not making decisions, he's not
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  setting up anything for the future.
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  A new football coach and a new basketball coach coming off an
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  NCAA title and what, the three time, you know, three years ago
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  defending National Football champions and this is where
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  you're at now. Good luck to that young man.
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  I mean, he's not that young, but he's not that old.
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  Yeah. So to give you an idea of their
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  schedule, so they start out, they host Western Michigan, then
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  they host Oklahoma, they face UTEP, they host them and they
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  host Iowa. So they don't even leave Ann
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  Arbor the first four games. They don't leave Ann Arbor at
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  all in September. Then they finally leave in
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  October. They have to go to Minnesota,
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  they host Penn State, they host Indiana, they go to Rutgers,
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  they host Michigan State. Then they have to go all the way
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  up to Eugene to take on Oregon. Then they host UCLA late
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  November. I don't think UCLA will do that
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  well. And then of course the game to
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  end the year at Ohio State. So I mean, I like I said, I
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  think if they get nine wins, they're solid because I I see
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  them losing at Oklahoma or against Oklahoma.
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  I see them losing against Oregon, more than likely against
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  Ohio State, and they might even lose against Indiana.
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  So they might finish eight and four realistically, just kind of
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  looking at that schedule. And then also, it'll kind of
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  depend on how Penn State's doing, because Penn State has a
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  cupcake schedule. This.
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  Year right and and Penn State is again, that is a rivalry game so
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  that I throw that out the window it it's again like I think if
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  you get nine wins, you have to be OK with that and that's the
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  thing. What do Michigan fans expect
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  going into this year with a first year head coach, a second
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  year quarterback, all the scandal going on, What are your
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  actual expectations? Yeah, and we'll, we'll find out
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  because I mean, I think I feel like Michigan's fans, I feel
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  like what you said as far as like they, they're just going to
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  be happy to be there. They want, I think Michigan fans
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  and Michigan as a whole wants a lot of this stuff basically not
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  swept under the rug, but just like, hey, let's wash our hands,
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  we're done, let's move past it, let's keep going and go from
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  there. So I I do think that will hold a
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  lot of merit overall because yeah, it that whole Michigan
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  thing is just an absolute mess. But let's move on to the next
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  one. Going to be a little bit of a in
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  the college out of college, back into college again with a little
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  bit of NBAI don't talk NBAA whole lot.
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  Oh, I can't remember if you're a if you're a big NBA guy or not
• 22:55
  I. Am I love my Indiana Pacers?
• 22:57
  Who's your bride, baby? I love my Indiana Pacers, but I
• 23:00
  do I I like I like following the league.
• 23:02
  I enjoy the league. I've realized that I've gotten
• 23:04
  older. I find basketball I've always
• 23:06
  found it enjoyable. I've always watched it my whole
• 23:08
  life, but I find it a little bit more enjoyable.
• 23:10
  I don't necessarily like all the the stuff that you know, with
• 23:12
  the flopping and all that, but you're going to get that in
• 23:14
  college now and even in high school.
• 23:16
  So but no, I I love watching the game and and really follow it as
• 23:20
  closely as I do any other sport. No.
• 23:22
  So Speaking of flopping, we have LeBron James who finally has
• 23:27
  decided to make his grand decision of where he was going
• 23:32
  to play this this season. And he decided on the City of
• 23:36
  Brotherly Love of the Philadelphia 76 years.
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  It's a two year deal worth $8 million, the veteran minimum
• 23:45
  deal and the next year I believe is a player option.
• 23:49
  It is a player option, yes. So he can actually decide
• 23:51
  whether or not he wants to stay there or if he wants to go
• 23:54
  somewhere else, which is maybe he tries to go play for like
• 23:57
  every single team before he calls and quits just to say he's
• 24:00
  the only guy to do that. Who knows, Who knows, but I'll
• 24:05
  let you go. First though, What is your
• 24:07
  thoughts on LeBron Leflop James going to Philadelphia?
• 24:15
  I'm glad that you have no personal bias in this.
• 24:17
  I'm always glad when I get to talk to you and you never have
• 24:19
  any vested interest. It makes you very clear and
• 24:21
  concise in your thoughts. Tony, I've got a couple of
• 24:23
  thoughts about this. Number one, I'm fascinated
• 24:27
  because number one, he's a liar. In his opening press conference
• 24:33
  for his statement, he said that at the end of the season he
• 24:36
  thought he was done. No, you didn't.
• 24:38
  No, you didn't. Like you didn't no, you could do
• 24:42
  the whole like, I just didn't know if I could do it again, all
• 24:44
  that. That's fine.
• 24:45
  You did not think you were done it just that's not a factual
• 24:48
  statement, but that's fine. Aside from that, I'm interested
• 24:53
  because I think that he could be something for Philadelphia that
• 24:57
  and I have not watched a lot of the coverage.
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  So I'm sure this has been brought up.
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  This is not, this is my original thought of what I thought when I
• 25:04
  saw it. This is not an original thought
• 25:06
  if other people have had it. I look at this, everybody's
• 25:09
  like, well, this starting line up is insane.
• 25:12
  I'm not sure that he's going to be in the starting line up.
• 25:15
  This is a guy who has not played 65 games in a few years.
• 25:19
  He is my age. He is like 42 years old.
• 25:22
  He'll be 43. I'm 44.
• 25:24
  Like this dude is my age. What he is doing is incredible.
• 25:26
  Nothing can take away from that. This is not a disparaging remark
• 25:29
  on him. He has a chance to be like a
• 25:32
  super sub, like a man who Ginobili.
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  He could start 15 to 20 games in the year depending on their
• 25:38
  depth. I also think that if you want
• 25:40
  somebody running your second team who can also play in the
• 25:43
  last 8 minutes of a of a game that's close, that's LeBron
• 25:47
  James. He could be that man who
• 25:49
  Ginobili type where if you want some of the younger guys, some
• 25:51
  of the guys with less talent. One thing LeBron has always
• 25:54
  done, guys with lesser talent, as long as they buy in, he makes
• 25:57
  them better. It has happened throughout his
• 26:00
  career. It happened in Cleveland, it
• 26:01
  happened in Miami, it happened back in Cleveland, it happened
• 26:04
  at the Lakers, and it has a chance to do it now.
• 26:07
  Forget Embiid, forget Maxi, forget Edgecomb.
• 26:10
  He makes other players that are not as good as him better more
• 26:15
  often than not. It's just a fact.
• 26:17
  So I don't know if that's the plan.
• 26:18
  I don't know if they've talked about the plan, but he is not
• 26:21
  the guy holding the golden chalice.
• 26:24
  He is not the best player on the team for the first time in a
• 26:27
  long time and there were glimpses of it last year.
• 26:30
  And who knows what he's going to be this year.
• 26:32
  Keep him healthy, get him to the playoffs.
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  That's what they want. I also think it's intriguing
• 26:36
  because again, I don't like to get into the go debate.
• 26:40
  I don't know who the greatest of all time is.
• 26:42
  I think in arguably, no matter what, you put them top 4.
• 26:45
  When you look at stats, he's top 4.
• 26:47
  When you look at wins, he's top 4.
• 26:49
  When you look at all this stuff, he is no doubt top four.
• 26:53
  Unless you're Skip Bayless, right?
• 26:55
  Boy, I just watched one on him. We also, we all have our own
• 27:02
  personal biases like you, like me, like all of us.
• 27:05
  But what he is trying to do and I have seen it reported, so it's
• 27:11
  fine. It very big.
• 27:13
  If if he were to win a title in Philadelphia, he would be the
• 27:18
  first player to win a title in four different cities.
• 27:22
  OK, that is not nothing. And the reason I say that's not
• 27:26
  nothing and and somebody already is saying, hey, that won't make
• 27:29
  him the go, they'll never be the go.
• 27:30
  That's fine. He decided that when the
• 27:34
  Cleveland Cavaliers came back on that 73 and 9 Warriors team,
• 27:39
  down 31 and 1, he said after that I was the GOAT.
• 27:45
  So in his mind it is not about one versus one.
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  It is about look at all this cool shit I can do.
• 27:53
  Look at this. I beat a 73 and 19.
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  We were down 31. We came back impossible.
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  I led the whole series in points, rebounds, assists,
• 28:05
  blocks, all this that. So again, he's never going to
• 28:10
  have the six championships as the best player on a team like
• 28:12
  Jordan. He's never going to have all the
• 28:15
  stuff that Kareem did. He's never like.
• 28:17
  He is one of the most physically gifted NBA players of all time.
• 28:20
  No doubt. He is one of the most incredible
• 28:23
  stat gatherers in NBA history for points, rebound and assists.
• 28:27
  No doubt about that. But when you look at his whole
• 28:31
  thing, longevity has definitely been his friend.
• 28:33
  But he is looking to do really cool stuff.
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  And if you look, Cleveland hadn't won a title in the NBA
• 28:42
  ever. But like, you know, the whole
• 28:44
  city in 50 plus years, he wins one in LA.
• 28:48
  So that automatically is cool. He goes down to Miami.
• 28:51
  Who would want it there? Dwyane Wade, Cool.
• 28:54
  Now I did it with Dwyane Wade as the second best player.
• 28:57
  You know, Dwyane Wade did it with Shaq.
• 28:58
  Great. Now I'm on par with that.
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  Then he goes back to Cleveland where they, you know, they won
• 29:03
  the title again. He wins one in LA.
• 29:05
  He wins in Philadelphia. Philadelphia is a basketball
• 29:07
  city. It is a basketball city.
• 29:09
  And if they win a title there, it is a big, huge deal.
• 29:14
  Doctor J Moses, Malone, Lenny, I mean, like, you go on that
• 29:19
  pantheon again, that doesn't mean you're a great 76er, but
• 29:23
  they will remember you. There will be LeBron jerseys in
• 29:27
  the stands. There will be LeBron jerseys for
• 29:29
  years to come because he brought the title back.
• 29:32
  Listen, if one of my team, like the O1 Patriots hold a special
• 29:37
  place in my heart, it was the first team.
• 29:38
  But man, you love being a part of championships and everybody
• 29:41
  remembers you. Oh, you were on that team, you
• 29:43
  were on that. Trust me, they win one this
• 29:45
  year. Everybody's going to remember
• 29:47
  LeBron James was on this team and whether he had anything to
• 29:49
  do with it or not, he will get some credit.
• 29:52
  Not the lion's share of the credit, he will get some credit.
• 29:54
  So I think at this point, if he is trying to challenge any
• 29:58
  doubters like the Skip Bayless, like the like the Tony HS, like
• 30:03
  the Joe's of of if he's the greatest or not, you can't win
• 30:07
  the six, you can't do all the MVPS, you can't do all that.
• 30:10
  You just got to do a bunch of cool stuff, and winning a title
• 30:13
  in Philadelphia is really effing cool.
• 30:17
  True, there was a few things that I heard people bring up
• 30:22
  that to me made a lot of sense. And and of course, one of them
• 30:25
  to being the biggest of, you know, everybody's like, well, is
• 30:28
  he the GOAT? Is he not because he's compared
• 30:30
  to Jordan and they're the the thought was brought up that
• 30:35
  everybody talks about, especially more older basketball
• 30:38
  players because, and you could even make this argument with
• 30:41
  football too. A lot of these older guys, they
• 30:44
  tend to stick with the team that they that they get drafted with
• 30:47
  or that whoever they had the most success with, they stay
• 30:49
  with them through thick and thin.
• 30:52
  Truly like a marriage, like good or bad, they're with them
• 30:55
  through through it all. And you hear a lot of people
• 30:58
  make the argument of, well, you know, he he had to leave
• 31:01
  Cleveland to go win a couple championships.
• 31:03
  And then he came back, he won a championship with Cleveland,
• 31:06
  then he has to leave again to go to LA to win another
• 31:08
  championship because, you know, Cleveland wouldn't go get him
• 31:11
  help. I was actually listening to this
• 31:13
  on the on the way home. You know, somebody had brought
• 31:16
  up the fact of, well, if you look at the first time or not
• 31:19
  the first time, the second time that he was leaving Cleveland,
• 31:22
  you know, the the GM at the time was worried about, OK, well,
• 31:25
  what do we do post LeBron? Like what, what does that look
• 31:28
  like? And it's like, well, you still
• 31:30
  lost LeBron. You still took a dive and it was
• 31:34
  still bad no matter how you look at it.
• 31:38
  One of the other things that they brought up, and it's one of
• 31:40
  those, like you said, I have a bit of a personal bias because
• 31:44
  I'm I'm very critical of Uber Uber LeBron fans because he
• 31:50
  likes to build super teams, which, you know, with has
• 31:54
  somebody put it like Avengers level rosters to compete against
• 32:00
  everybody. But it but it does bring up a
• 32:03
  good point though, is he is he doing it because he truly feels
• 32:08
  that he needs that in order to succeed?
• 32:11
  And you can make the argument to once you win a championship, are
• 32:16
  you not almost in the consideration of being a Hall of
• 32:19
  Fame or a really good player because you were on a
• 32:22
  championship team? You know, it's not just one
• 32:25
  person doing this. It's a it's a whole collective.
• 32:28
  Or is he doing it Because if you look at competition, like you go
• 32:32
  out there to win, that's your only job to do.
• 32:36
  It doesn't matter how you win as long as you bring home the West.
• 32:40
  So I mean, he may be looking at it of what is my best way to
• 32:44
  compete in order to get to that point.
• 32:48
  But here, here is my thing when I first saw this.
• 32:51
  And again, I don't follow basketball the greatest.
• 32:55
  I like watching it in the playoffs.
• 32:56
  I think NBA playoff basketball is great.
• 32:59
  And the biggest reason why I think the NBA has too many
• 33:02
  games, 84 games or 82, however many is absolutely ridiculous
• 33:07
  because you can go on like a 2530 game losing streak.
• 33:12
  And if you all of a sudden, I mean, again, it's not realistic,
• 33:15
  but statistically you could RIP off like 50 wins.
• 33:19
  And next thing, you know, depending on if you're in the
• 33:20
  East or the West, you could be like a two or three seed.
• 33:23
  It's like, wait a minute, this, this, how is this the team that
• 33:26
  lost, you know, 30 games in a row and all of a sudden they're,
• 33:28
  you know, they're going through this.
• 33:30
  Not like it would ever happen. That's not realistic, but it is
• 33:33
  technically possible. But I mean, he's going to he's
• 33:38
  going to Philly, where they already got a Finals MVP in
• 33:42
  Jaylen Brown because they got him from the Celtics.
• 33:46
  Crazy move because they gave basically like a bag of chips
• 33:50
  and a half half working Paul George, hardly anything to get
• 33:56
  him. You already had Joel Owen Bead,
• 33:58
  you already have Tyrese Maxi, and now you have LeBron James,
• 34:01
  who like I know you mentioned you don't think he's even going
• 34:05
  to be in the in the starting line up to me.
• 34:08
  Like do you think LeBron has really come to that point in his
• 34:12
  age and in his career where he is accepted?
• 34:16
  Like you're going to be the 4th or 5th guy in the rotation.
• 34:20
  Like you're not even going to be a starter.
• 34:23
  Like I think he accepted it more with LA when they brought in
• 34:26
  Luca because Luca's young, because he is the future and
• 34:30
  because Luca is a superstar, that's like, OK, he's prepared.
• 34:35
  He was kind of prepared being in the older part, sort of like,
• 34:38
  yeah, I might I'm not going to be that guy anymore.
• 34:41
  And he's obviously been a more OK with it when he went to Miami
• 34:45
  because he around Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, like you were
• 34:48
  not the star, Like you were a star, but you weren't the guy.
• 34:51
  You were just a benefit and really just go out and hoop and
• 34:55
  that's really all you had to do. Like it.
• 34:59
  It's kind of weird to see. And and here and here's the
• 35:02
  other argument I would almost have for the quote UN quote GOAT
• 35:04
  conversation because you you look at Brady and again, you
• 35:09
  don't even have to compare him just directly to Jordan, but you
• 35:12
  know, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, like how many of these guys kind of
• 35:15
  sat back and was like, you know, I think I'm OK with being a role
• 35:19
  player because how many times as a competitor, when you're one of
• 35:22
  the few guys in the world that can even get to that point,
• 35:26
  says, you know what? I'm OK with not having to do as
• 35:29
  much because once you lose that spot, it's really hard to get it
• 35:33
  back. And it's even harder to get back
• 35:36
  when, like you said, he turned 43 this year on December 30th.
• 35:40
  Like, like, how many more times are you going to be OK with
• 35:44
  like, yeah, I'll just be a role player just because I want to
• 35:46
  play ball. And it is really hard.
• 35:48
  I mean, what Russell Westbrook has struggled with that, who's,
• 35:51
  again, not at the LeBron level as a really, really great player
• 35:55
  who is now looking for a team just like, hey, man, like, I'm
• 35:58
  going to sign like a $2,000,000 deal.
• 36:00
  I just want to go play somewhere these guys want to play.
• 36:02
  I think LeBron James loves the game of basketball.
• 36:04
  The good debate again. We could settle that another
• 36:06
  time. If I were LeBron James, I would
• 36:09
  binge season 1 Ted Lasso multiple times and just watch
• 36:15
  from the the prospect of Roy Kent.
• 36:19
  And I got I, I finally watched that show this year and it's
• 36:21
  incredible and I love it and I'm going to start it again.
• 36:24
  But I remember watching that and remember like the part of Roy
• 36:27
  Kent was really great. They didn't have to show you how
• 36:29
  great he was. Everybody talked how great he
• 36:32
  was and he wanted to play like that and he couldn't.
• 36:36
  And he knew he couldn't, but he didn't want to talk about how he
• 36:39
  couldn't. And LeBron James leaving the
• 36:42
  Lakers signing A2 year deal with a player option for $8 million
• 36:46
  is kind of like Roy in the cold bath where he's like, just yell
• 36:51
  at me like, I know you're I know I screwed up.
• 36:53
  I know. But LeBron hasn't screwed up.
• 36:56
  That's the thing. For all the things you want to
• 36:57
  say about LeBron, he hasn't screwed up.
• 37:00
  The Lakers brought a move to bring in a young superstar to be
• 37:03
  the future leader of the team. LeBron changed the way that he
• 37:06
  played because he does do that very well and says this is Lucas
• 37:09
  team now. And instead of trying to have
• 37:11
  some drawn out contract thing with, you know, well, how much
• 37:16
  are you going to give me and what I did for this team a lot.
• 37:18
  He's like, I mean, the initial report was LeBron James has
• 37:21
  informed the Lakers he will not be returning this season.
• 37:24
  Not that he wants to return, not that he like, hey, man, good
• 37:27
  luck, guys. Thanks for everything.
• 37:29
  I'm going to go somewhere else. You guys go do you?
• 37:33
  That's a pretty big move for a guy who is the center of media
• 37:36
  attention for literally the last like 26 years since he was in
• 37:41
  high school. I can remember watching his
• 37:42
  games on ESPN in high school. Like, it's not an exaggeration.
• 37:48
  For almost 30 years, he has been the center of attention in one
• 37:51
  way or another in every room he walks in.
• 37:54
  So this is a big move. Again, I don't know what's in
• 37:58
  his psyche. I don't know what is going to
• 38:01
  push him and how long he'll do this.
• 38:03
  If he wins a title in the first year, maybe he opts out and says
• 38:07
  I'm going to go chase one more. Maybe I go to OKC, maybe I go to
• 38:11
  Minnesota, maybe I go to San Antonio.
• 38:13
  Maybe I go to some of these teams that have another chance.
• 38:16
  I have no idea. But it's, it is a fascinating
• 38:21
  way to see how his career is going to end.
• 38:23
  Because I, I honestly IA 100% him saying, seeing him say at
• 38:30
  some point, this is my last season in the NBA at some point
• 38:33
  this year, next year, whenever this is my last season, do the
• 38:36
  farewell tour, do all that. But I could also see him kind of
• 38:39
  just like after the season, just go, I think I'm done.
• 38:44
  And I so, so again, and I don't, there's not a wrong answer in
• 38:48
  that this is this. As much as we love to argue and
• 38:50
  talk and debate about sports, this is this guy's life and
• 38:54
  whether he let the cameras in or not.
• 38:56
  It, it's, you know, I, I'm going to, I'm going to go old school
• 39:00
  here for a minute. Tony, I don't even know if you
• 39:02
  remember the show. ER, there was a, a great episode
• 39:06
  where after Mark Green was attacked, this camera crew came
• 39:10
  in and they were talking and they wanted to film all this
• 39:11
  stuff, right? And they saw Carter mess
• 39:14
  something up and Doctor Green going in as as the teacher and
• 39:17
  all this, you know, did it and helped.
• 39:19
  And they wanted to sit down and interview with Mark and talk
• 39:22
  about his assault and all the stuff that happened.
• 39:24
  He's like, I don't want to talk about that.
• 39:25
  I don't want to talk about that. And finally, when he saw that
• 39:30
  they recorded what Carter screwed up and like this person
• 39:32
  died and all this, Mark's like, don't use that footage and like,
• 39:36
  why? It was great.
• 39:37
  And he goes, I'll sit down and do the interview.
• 39:40
  And as much as it hurt him, as much as it hurt his pride and as
• 39:43
  much as maybe he had to work through, it was this great
• 39:45
  episode. You got to see it from this
• 39:46
  different angle. And at times LeBron has let us
• 39:50
  see that. And maybe it comes to a point
• 39:52
  where it's like he'll never say he's old.
• 39:54
  He'll just say he's done. You know, I can't keep up or do
• 39:57
  this. And there will come a time, I
• 39:58
  believe in his career where he's going to be marking and
• 40:01
  somebody's going to. Whether they put him on a post
• 40:03
  or where they do something and he's like, I, I need to change.
• 40:06
  So that's why I think this year could be the Super sub year
• 40:10
  where it is taking a step back, where it's like, hey, I got the
• 40:12
  contract, I'm not the number one guy.
• 40:14
  Don't come to me after the games.
• 40:15
  Go talk to Jalen, go talk to Tyrese, go talk to Joe.
• 40:18
  Well, I'm just here to play basketball.
• 40:20
  Maybe that's it. Maybe you're going to see a
• 40:22
  shift change in all this. I don't know.
• 40:25
  And I think that is what's going to make the Philadelphia Sixers
• 40:28
  the great unknown. We don't know what the Celtics
• 40:30
  are going to be. We don't know what the Thunder
• 40:32
  are going to be. We don't know what the Spurs or
• 40:33
  the Pacers or the Knicks are going to be.
• 40:35
  We really don't know what the 76ers are going to be.
• 40:38
  We don't. And, and I don't think that's a
• 40:40
  bad thing. Isn't that kind of the fun of
• 40:42
  sports? Yeah.
• 40:44
  And I I think the other thing too that a lot of people have
• 40:46
  been really worried about with Philly is with the exception of,
• 40:49
  and again, you can correct me if I'm wrong, because you pay
• 40:52
  attention more to the NBA than I do.
• 40:54
  With the exception of Jaylen Brown, like all those guys like
• 40:57
  Joel Embiid and has history being hurt.
• 41:00
  Like I know Tyrus Maxi is still fairly new.
• 41:02
  I don't think he's been hurt that much, but I think.
• 41:04
  He's had a little injury issue, but nothing, nothing major now.
• 41:07
  And and I know LeBron is actually like, he's he's never
• 41:10
  been derailed, you know, like having to have surgery and being
• 41:13
  out for like an entire season. He has definitely got a
• 41:16
  longevity crown and like blessed with some of the best, like
• 41:21
  best, best long term durability you could ever ask of a
• 41:25
  professional sports athlete in any major sport, you know, to be
• 41:28
  doing it for this long that he has that.
• 41:32
  That's the other thing I've kind of heard with Phil, people who
• 41:34
  are maybe a bit more skeptical on Philly, it's whether or not,
• 41:39
  you know, can everybody stay healthy in order to really do
• 41:43
  this? So yeah, that that's kind of
• 41:46
  kind of my big question, but we will move on from Leflop James
• 41:52
  to, I know as you can tell, I'm a huge LeBron fan, just like,
• 41:57
  just like Joe's a huge fan of Michigan, I'm a huge fan of
• 42:00
  LeBron James. Put pull your shirt down.
• 42:03
  Your your bias is showing. Your bias is showing.
• 42:07
  But but let's end the show on a high note and kind of an
• 42:12
  interesting one, because if anybody follows college football
• 42:16
  as much as as much as I do and even as much as Joe does, there
• 42:20
  have been some inklings and some rumblings here for a while.
• 42:25
  I mean, we're talking the last couple of years with the playoff
• 42:29
  expansion. They expanded it from four teams
• 42:31
  now all the way up to 12. And now the big topic, do they
• 42:37
  go to 16 teams or do they go to 24?
• 42:41
  And initially, by all reports, the Big 10 was the only
• 42:45
  conference that wanted 24 teams. The ACC, Big 12 and SEC were
• 42:50
  like, note, we're standing our ground, we want 16, OK.
• 42:56
  And then they thought about it and then the ACC and the Big 12
• 42:59
  apparently came out and said, look, we, we don't want to
• 43:02
  follow by the wayside because we know one of the two of us is
• 43:05
  probably going to become the third conference, while the
• 43:09
  other one may or may not even exist anymore.
• 43:12
  So we're going to side with the Big 10 because maybe they won't
• 43:15
  poach from us as much. And if it helps us get more
• 43:19
  teams in to show off our conference and our brands, we're
• 43:23
  going to go to 24. Which leaves the poor little old
• 43:26
  Southeastern Conference. The SEC is the lone wolf to
• 43:31
  fight against the Big 10. And of course, with SEC Media
• 43:36
  Days happening last week in Tampa, all of these questions
• 43:40
  were asked to Greg Sankey. All of the coaches.
• 43:43
  What are their thoughts? Nick Saban weighed his opinions
• 43:46
  on all of it. I have no doubt he did.
• 43:49
  And apparently most of this stems from the apparently the
• 43:56
  Big 10 and the SEC had a mutual agreement.
• 43:58
  And the agreement was if the SEC moves to 9 conference games,
• 44:03
  which they did starting this year, that then the Big 10 would
• 44:07
  be more inclined to do the 16 team playoff.
• 44:11
  They're like, OK, we'll do kind of a handshake agreement.
• 44:13
  We'll make this happen. We'll sign off on 16 teams and
• 44:17
  then we should be good for a while.
• 44:19
  Let's move forward from there. Well apparently the Big 10 got
• 44:23
  their way and once more because the SCC agreed to do 9
• 44:27
  conference games and then they still decided we want to do 24
• 44:31
  because they have like 18 teams in the conference.
• 44:34
  Not like all 18 are going, but they have 18.
• 44:37
  Teams, they think all 18 are going.
• 44:41
  No, they ain't. I can tell you right now, Purdue
• 44:44
  football and Northwestern football are not getting
• 44:47
  anywhere close. But Rocker slander will not be
• 44:50
  appreciated on the podcast. Hey, 20 years ago you can make
• 44:54
  that argument. 20 days ago, you can't make that agreement.
• 45:01
  Oh, MJ, we are. You are almost there.
• 45:03
  You guys have the benefit. Penn State has a super easy Big
• 45:07
  10 this year. Like, that is probably the best
• 45:10
  schedule that a team could get, especially for a team that is
• 45:13
  kind of rebuilding and figuring out who they are again with a
• 45:16
  new head coach. But nonetheless, though there
• 45:19
  there has been talks that the SEC might split off from the
• 45:22
  NCAA and create their own new league.
• 45:25
  Now, funny enough, one of your favorite coaches, a former Ohio
• 45:30
  State coach and Urban Meyer brought up actually a really
• 45:34
  good point on his thoughts about it.
• 45:37
  And he thinks if the SEC breaks off, they won't do it alone,
• 45:44
  that if they break off to form their own league, that some
• 45:47
  other conference might also do it too.
• 45:50
  Now the of course, the big fish in the room, they think they
• 45:54
  think it'll be the Big 10. Why the Big 10 would do that
• 45:58
  with the SEC. Maybe it's this like, you know,
• 46:02
  do or die hard pact that they have with each other.
• 46:04
  But we've seen those definitely get turned around very quickly.
• 46:08
  And maybe it's just the ACC and the Big 12 contending with each
• 46:12
  other. But I guess the question to you,
• 46:16
  Joe, is do you think the SEC would ever do something like
• 46:22
  that or any other conference? Because I mean, everybody's kind
• 46:25
  of getting sick and tired of the NCAA as a whole because they do,
• 46:29
  but they don't have power. The College Sports Commission
• 46:34
  could have power if everybody signed off on it.
• 46:36
  But then that would mean everybody comes back to kind of
• 46:39
  a semi level playing field. And a lot of these teams like
• 46:44
  Miami, who I know is in the ACC, but still Miami, who's a big
• 46:48
  spender, Texas, who is a big spender, LSU, Ohio State,
• 46:52
  Michigan, all of these teams that they're flourishing right
• 46:56
  now in this, you know, Wild West of college football that they
• 47:02
  may not want to sign off on it because no, I don't.
• 47:04
  I don't want my competition to be level with me.
• 47:06
  I want to only have to really deal with like 5 or 6 teams that
• 47:10
  I have to deal with. Otherwise, it's a cakewalk for
• 47:13
  me. Yeah, it's like, it's like going
• 47:16
  to a so like a gunfight where everybody has the same gun and
• 47:20
  you're like, no, no, no, like I'm super rich.
• 47:22
  I bought the you know, I I bought the Smith and Wesson and
• 47:24
  it's like, Nope, you're going to use a everybody's going to use
• 47:27
  the same gun. You're like, well, no, that
• 47:28
  helps. And it's like, well, tough, you
• 47:30
  know, it's like, this is the gunfight that's going on.
• 47:33
  I I hate this. If if somebody wants to go buy
• 47:36
  the the Lib, the Lib golf has shown that these secondary
• 47:40
  leagues, they cannot sustain themselves with billions and
• 47:43
  trillions of dollars of Saudi money, They got bored because
• 47:46
  it's not the same. I think if the Big 10, if the
• 47:49
  SEC wants to go, I think the Big 10 should help them pack and
• 47:54
  they should be the ones who establish themselves as the
• 47:56
  anchor to the NCAA. Listen, we talked about Michigan
• 47:59
  earlier. Michigan has the most wins in
• 48:01
  NCAA history because of a long history.
• 48:03
  You leave, those don't go away, but they kind of lose their
• 48:07
  luster. And I think if a team or sorry,
• 48:10
  not a team, if a conference like the SEC wants to threaten to
• 48:13
  leave the NCAA, for all of the faults the NCAA has, you let
• 48:18
  them leave. The Liv golfers left.
• 48:21
  They still play in the majors. The PGA Tour did, because of the
• 48:26
  loss of some of those players, change some of the policies for
• 48:30
  the PGA players that the PGA players have warranted and said,
• 48:33
  hey, listen, they, they stepped up to the plate.
• 48:35
  They did some things. You know, Rory McIlroy has been
• 48:37
  very adamant that he is staying with the PGA for all of its
• 48:40
  faults. And, you know, things like
• 48:42
  that's it. And I think that if the if the
• 48:45
  SEC and the ACC want to go off and create another league,
• 48:49
  another division, whatever they want to do, go and let them.
• 48:52
  And they'll probably get a lot of people watching them, but
• 48:55
  it's not the NCAA. Listen, there is a reason we see
• 48:59
  the highlights of the USFL games more than we watch the actual
• 49:03
  game. Because a highlight, a catch is
• 49:06
  cool, a tackle and interception of whatever is awesome.
• 49:10
  But you know, when you watch it, it is not the product that you
• 49:13
  want to see. It is the NFL.
• 49:16
  It is the same reason that you'll get 8000 people going to
• 49:19
  a training camp and you'll get 50,000 people in a stadium.
• 49:22
  There is a difference and whether it and, and I'm sorry,
• 49:26
  like if you are the big 10, you almost have to be begging that
• 49:29
  the SEC decides to try and pull this off.
• 49:31
  Because yes, they will make money.
• 49:33
  They will get sponsors. They will even attract a few
• 49:36
  colleges or maybe even a few conferences.
• 49:39
  But this allows you to be the anchor, be the change you want
• 49:43
  to be. If you're the Big 10 and the
• 49:46
  NCAA loses the SEC, which is no small thing, by the way, I'm not
• 49:50
  saying that it is not a big deal.
• 49:52
  It is a huge deal. But if you're the Big 10 again,
• 49:56
  we should just call this episode the power episode.
• 49:58
  It is about the power you now hold the power you have, the
• 50:02
  brand recognition. You are the most established
• 50:05
  conference. You want to argue with it, with
• 50:07
  who it is, you or the SEC? Guess what?
• 50:09
  The SEC no longer exists by Felicia.
• 50:12
  We are the number one conference people, TuneIn to see us.
• 50:16
  You put those teams on our schedule, they TuneIn.
• 50:19
  I'm sorry. Like if the SEC in the Big 10 or
• 50:22
  have some backroom, you know, shake deal.
• 50:26
  I'd be shocked if I'm the Big 10.
• 50:28
  I've got to be salivating at the fact that the SEC is is even
• 50:32
  floating the idea of leaving because the NCAA is broken
• 50:36
  again. Be the change you want to be.
• 50:38
  If you're the Big 10, then you force the NCAA.
• 50:41
  Listen, this is what needs fixed.
• 50:43
  This is what we're doing. Whether it is a salary cap,
• 50:46
  whether it is a spending gap, whatever it is, I figure this
• 50:51
  stuff out. But I I think leaving is a huge,
• 50:55
  huge problem for the Big Ben. Well, here.
• 50:58
  So here's apparently the other part that goes into it of not
• 51:01
  just the NCAA being broken, but the College Football Playoff as
• 51:05
  a whole in that whole ranking committee.
• 51:07
  And one of the things that was brought up that there, there's a
• 51:11
  part of me agrees and there's a part of me that disagrees like
• 51:14
  it. It's one of those trying to be
• 51:16
  as neutral as I am. I do see the logic in both sides
• 51:20
  of it. And one of them being, and I
• 51:23
  think Lane Kiffin brought this up actually in his press
• 51:25
  conference that and I know there might be a little bit of bias
• 51:29
  there, even though I don't know how in the world that whole
• 51:31
  thing is going to pan out. Hopefully really.
• 51:33
  Well, otherwise, damn it, the the argument was made that
• 51:41
  should a consideration be made more for a nine and three SEC
• 51:47
  team to get in as compared to let's say whoever comes out of
• 51:52
  the Big 12, let's say it's Texas Tech.
• 51:54
  If they come out 10:00 and 2:00 or 11:00 and 1:00 and they get
• 51:58
  that playoff spot, should the overall comparison of
• 52:03
  conferences be made? And I guess part of that goes
• 52:07
  does go back to the scheduling, because the SE CS rules for
• 52:11
  scheduling is there has to be 9 conference games.
• 52:14
  So you're playing at least nine of the teams in your conference
• 52:17
  and one of your out of conference games has to be a
• 52:21
  power for opponent. So that means anybody in the Big
• 52:26
  10, anybody in the Big 12, anybody in the ACC and or Notre
• 52:30
  Dame can be on that list of who you have to face.
• 52:35
  But you only basically get 2 cupcake games now, which for us
• 52:40
  fans that's great because I necessarily want to watch, you
• 52:44
  know, Georgia kick the crap out of Mercer.
• 52:46
  Not really. Like that's like that's not even
• 52:50
  this fun. It's just a warm up game for
• 52:52
  your like fourth string guys. Like that's not even a fun game
• 52:55
  to see. We get to see the third punter.
• 52:58
  Literally like I got to give you some reps it seems like.
• 53:01
  Got to get warmed up, but like it.
• 53:04
  It does kind of make sense because as much as I love the
• 53:07
  Big 12 and as entertaining as the Big 12 is, it does kind of
• 53:11
  make sense when you look at the Big 12 as a whole.
• 53:13
  There's 16 teams in that conference and realistically
• 53:17
  when you look at them, there's what, 2 teams are considered the
• 53:21
  heavy favorites and then a whole bunch of kind of maybes.
• 53:25
  It's like right now it's Texas Tech.
• 53:27
  Even though there's a huge question as far as quarterback
• 53:30
  goes, even though Will Hammond had a great, had a great game
• 53:32
  against Utah last year, balled out.
• 53:35
  What does he look like this year?
• 53:37
  BYU was supposed to still be up there as far as their talent,
• 53:40
  even though their wide receiver room is in question.
• 53:43
  And then of course, Utah is maybe the third.
• 53:46
  But again, what does Utah look like now post Kyle Woodingham
• 53:50
  changes of everything. But for the most part, the Big
• 53:53
  12 is just wide open. So whoever wins that conference,
• 53:56
  they may come out and whoever is second may come out, you know,
• 53:58
  10 and 211 and 1, whatever the case may be.
• 54:01
  So let let's just say for hypothetical argument
• 54:04
  situations, it's like it was last year, you know, you have a
• 54:08
  Texas Tech team that's 12 and O OK, they won the conference
• 54:11
  outright. All right, cool, they're in.
• 54:13
  But then you're sitting with BYU, who went 11:00 and 2:00
• 54:17
  because the only two games they lost was to Texas Tech.
• 54:20
  And that, let's say, you know, again, for sake of argument, you
• 54:24
  have Alabama, who ended up going nine and three being lost in the
• 54:29
  SEC game. You know, who deserved to be in?
• 54:32
  Was it Alabama because they got the crap kicked out of them by a
• 54:35
  better Georgia team who went slightly farther than Texas Tech
• 54:39
  did? Or BYU because they won 11
• 54:42
  games, which again, part of me is like, well, you can only, you
• 54:46
  can only play and win who's on your schedule.
• 54:48
  So there's only so much you can do with that as far as how teams
• 54:51
  are recognized and the value behind them.
• 54:54
  So BYU did what they were supposed to do and won more
• 54:56
  games. But you know, you look at the
• 55:00
  you know, how many ranked teams did Alabama play?
• 55:02
  Like, you know, they played Tennessee, who was ranked, they
• 55:04
  played LSU, who's supposed to be like a pre season national champ
• 55:08
  potential. They played Georgia and they
• 55:10
  beat them like that. I think that's another big part
• 55:13
  where a lot of these coaches in the SEC is like, you know, not
• 55:18
  to just toot their own horn, but it does come into the argument
• 55:22
  of like how do you do the fair evaluation of which team do you
• 55:25
  think would be better? A more battle tested team has a
• 55:28
  couple losses or a team that they won their games but they
• 55:32
  basically beat cupcakes to get there.
• 55:35
  Can we, can we figure this out? So you were when when it comes
• 55:38
  to college football, you were the one of the smartest people,
• 55:40
  the smartest person I know when it comes to college football,
• 55:42
  maybe other than my friend Lewis, who loves college
• 55:45
  football as much as you do. But but you guys are smart.
• 55:47
  Can we just figure this out real quick?
• 55:48
  I'm going to ask you a series of questions.
• 55:50
  I want quick, short answers. We're going to figure this out
• 55:53
  right now. You ready?
• 55:56
  18 playoff, no buys. We're good, right?
• 56:00
  Yeah, that. Would be OK 83 week by after the
• 56:04
  conference championship games and that is when the playoffs
• 56:08
  start. So every team gets a minimum of
• 56:10
  three weeks off and then the playoffs starts.
• 56:13
  We cool with that. OK, OK.
• 56:15
  OK, how many games does each team play in a season?
• 56:20
  If including. The traditional schedule.
• 56:22
  The traditional. Schedule be 12, well 12 and then
• 56:26
  depending on if you make your conference championship or not,
• 56:28
  that would be 13 great at least. No, No College Football Playoff
• 56:33
  rankings until after Week 7. We don't see any rankings.
• 56:37
  No team gets ranked. Nobody gets to be the quote UN
• 56:39
  quote preseason favorite. Nothing official.
• 56:42
  There's nothing after seven weeks of football when you've
• 56:45
  played a couple cupcake games, a couple conference games and
• 56:48
  probably your non conference against a powerful opponent,
• 56:52
  then they can start to talk about because we've seen too
• 56:54
  many times where these teams that aren't good get preseason
• 56:58
  rankings that are high and then loose beam but never really drop
• 57:01
  down. And teams that nobody expected
• 57:03
  to be good never get a chance to come up.
• 57:06
  So if you want to make it into the top eight, you don't get an
• 57:09
  automatic pass into the top 8 and then just have to kind of
• 57:12
  stay up low. Everybody earns their spot.
• 57:14
  So no College Football Playoff rankings until at least week
• 57:17
  seven of a like, again, I don't want to talk about MVP in the
• 57:21
  NFL till after Thanksgiving. I don't want to talk about it in
• 57:23
  October. It don't it's it doesn't make
• 57:26
  sense. So we cool with that.
• 57:28
  So here's another. Here's another thing that real
• 57:30
  quick one more. I got one more Winning your
• 57:36
  conference does not give you an automatic invite into the top 8.
• 57:43
  It does not. If you win your conference, you
• 57:46
  are not automatically in if you want to do this, if you want to
• 57:49
  make the 8 best teams, no preseason rankings, no college
• 57:53
  football rankings until minimum week 7.
• 57:56
  Everybody plays a schedule like you talked about, 9 conference
• 57:58
  opponents, 1, you know, power four and then two, whatever you
• 58:02
  want to do. You know, Ohio State will play
• 58:04
  Youngstown State to give them $500,000.
• 58:07
  You know, Michigan will play Central Michigan Tech
• 58:10
  University. They'll give them, you know,
• 58:12
  half, $1,000,000 in all this. And then if you win your
• 58:16
  conference championship game, it is not an automatic guarantee
• 58:19
  that you are in the top 8. So then here here would be my
• 58:23
  only counter question to that do the conference games even matter
• 58:27
  at that point? Because supposedly now they do
• 58:30
  and they don't matter because if you win your conference, then
• 58:33
  you are in, but if you lose, you're quote UN quote not
• 58:37
  technically punished. Even though BYU lost theirs,
• 58:41
  even though they weren't technically considered in, but
• 58:43
  it was an extra game that counts against them that they lost to
• 58:46
  the same team, even though they got absolutely destroyed in that
• 58:49
  game. Alabama, like you said, got the
• 58:52
  benefit of they faced Georgia and the SEC Championship got
• 58:56
  absolutely housed, but they didn't drop.
• 58:59
  Nothing changed in their rankings.
• 59:01
  They stayed exactly where they were before the game and then
• 59:05
  even after taking a massive loss in the game, they stayed exactly
• 59:10
  where they were. So really with with that, do you
• 59:13
  think we should even have conference championships game?
• 59:15
  Like do do you think they should do it like basketball if just
• 59:18
  whoever has the two best records or if like it's a tiebreaker
• 59:21
  type of thing, like if you have 211 and one teams like you guys
• 59:25
  are Co Big 10 champions or Co. I think that I think that's
• 59:28
  still important. I think being a conference
• 59:30
  champion is important, but I don't think that everything has
• 59:33
  it's same as like baseball. I don't think the the league
• 59:35
  that wins should host the World Series.
• 59:38
  I don't think that's something that has to be involved.
• 59:40
  I don't necessarily think that. So let's say in your scenario,
• 59:43
  right, Let's say we have two teams and we'll just throw two
• 59:45
  teams out. Let's say it's Ohio State and
• 59:48
  Michigan, right? They show up to the game,
• 59:51
  they're both undefeated, or they both have one loss, right?
• 59:54
  And then nobody else in the Big 10 is good.
• 59:57
  But we've seen that they're the two best teams clearly in the
• 1:00:00
  Big 10 this year. Michigan wins, but they're still
• 1:00:06
  number one and two in the conference, and they played the
• 1:00:08
  conference championship game and Michigan wins.
• 1:00:13
  Or let's say Ohio State wins. They flip the script and wins.
• 1:00:17
  But it was kind of fluky because Michigan's quarterback goes down
• 1:00:21
  or this or that. Maybe people want to vote
• 1:00:23
  Michigan in. Maybe they don't want to vote
• 1:00:25
  Ohio State. And maybe they say they kind of
• 1:00:27
  got lucky. Or like you talk about with Penn
• 1:00:29
  State with having us a cupcake schedule.
• 1:00:32
  Maybe if Penn State goes and they beat a bunch of cupcakes
• 1:00:34
  and there's a few injuries, kind of like how the Pacers made it
• 1:00:37
  to the Finals because a lot of teams got hurt.
• 1:00:39
  And all of a sudden it's like, I don't know, do we really want
• 1:00:42
  them to go represent us in the car?
• 1:00:44
  I just, I'm not against you winning your conference and
• 1:00:47
  going. I'm just saying we don't
• 1:00:49
  necessarily have to make it an automatic bid because let's face
• 1:00:53
  it, if you were an Alabama team and you were ranked in the top
• 1:00:57
  10 going into a college football season, it is almost impossible
• 1:01:02
  not to make an 18 playoff. Almost impossible, right?
• 1:01:06
  Last year's Alabama team was not good.
• 1:01:10
  They weren't good compared to and and they what, they never
• 1:01:14
  dropped out of the top 15. They essentially.
• 1:01:17
  No, they did. They did after week one.
• 1:01:19
  Week 1 was the only time because they lost to Florida State.
• 1:01:22
  Sure, And then they never ever, ever got another demerit that
• 1:01:25
  bad. And again, why are we ranking
• 1:01:29
  teams when we haven't seen play? Like, I don't know what Ohio
• 1:01:32
  State's going to look like this year.
• 1:01:33
  I'm not comfortable making them the number one or #2 team in the
• 1:01:36
  country. I want to go watch some
• 1:01:38
  football. I want to see this like, and if
• 1:01:40
  the rankings come out and they're five and one and the
• 1:01:43
  offense is kind of sputtering and the defense is just OK, I'm
• 1:01:47
  OK with them being ranked 17th. It'll suck as a fan.
• 1:01:51
  But if they're the 17th ranked team in the country, then you
• 1:01:54
  got some work to do, man. Like looks like some fires under
• 1:01:57
  some asses and I I just I the whole ranking throughout the
• 1:02:01
  year. I don't like I know they don't
• 1:02:03
  quote UN quote release the rankings until then.
• 1:02:05
  They do it every week. It's not like they go to The
• 1:02:07
  Cave and and I hate and I hate that the big 10 is for this 2014
• 1:02:13
  playoff. It is horrible.
• 1:02:17
  Listen, but we're, we're men here.
• 1:02:19
  We're talking, OK, You want to go to a beauty pageant with the
• 1:02:23
  top five most beautiful women or do you want to go to a beauty
• 1:02:26
  pageant with the top 100 most beautiful women?
• 1:02:29
  But guess what? 78 through 100 probably not
• 1:02:32
  going to be the high quality that you're expecting from one
• 1:02:34
  through 10. I'm sorry, call me a jerk.
• 1:02:37
  That's the way it is. 16 through 2417 through 24 in a College
• 1:02:41
  Football Playoff. 13 through 24 is not going to be good.
• 1:02:44
  I'm sorry, they're not. No, and, and, and that's my
• 1:02:48
  biggest issue because the the only thing to me that a 2014
• 1:02:53
  playoff does if, if everything is considered equal, and like
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  you said, if, if the conferences technically don't matter, if
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  it's just whoever the top 24 teams ranked are get in, then
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  OK, then it makes the top 25 worth something.
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  Because like you said, if you're, if you're just stuck at
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  the 18th, it's like, OK, I, I'm not good enough or I'm not going
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  to move up unless one of these teams just absolutely flounders
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  and drops. So it's like 18th doesn't really
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  do much for me. But yeah, it's like the the top
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  24, I, I'm not sitting here like man, that 17th ranked team,
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  like, man, if they get in like it's over, it's over for
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  everybody. Watch out.
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  But there is one other thing that Nick Saban brought up that
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  I thought, believe it or not, considering it's Nick Saban and
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  you know, he does have some fairly good ideas when it comes
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  to college football. And I will give him credit where
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  credit is due. He brought up eliminate the
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  whole cupcake thing, right? He said 12 games, 12 power for
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  opponents. Doesn't matter who.
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  Like you can have your 9 conference and let's say, you
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  know, everybody gets to 9. The SEC faces nine SEC teams.
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  But then your other three power for opponents.
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  You could do a rotation, one team from the Big 12, ACC and
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  Big 10, Those can fill your three.
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  You can throw Notre Dame in there whoever you want.
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  But then that way it's easier because, OK, let's say, let's
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  say you do have a team that's nine and three.
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  OK, who are your 3 losses? Well, you beat a Big 10 team,
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  you beat a Big 12 team, but you lost to an ACC team.
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  And then you like won eight out of your nine SCC games.
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  OK, you're probably a pretty good team that's going to be
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  competitive and you're going to produce pretty good results.
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  We should be able to throw you in there.
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  Now if you're, you know, seven and five and your losses are to
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  all three other power opponents and you lost your conference
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  games, yeah, you're probably not going to get in there.
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  It to me that puts almost everyone on a better, more equal
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  playing field because again, you're like you said, you're not
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  beating up on Youngstown, Youngstown State, you're not
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  beating up on Mercer or Citadel. Like you're, you have to face
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  Arizona or Baylor or you have to face, you know, whether it's
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  Penn State, Michigan State, you know, even if they are the lower
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  tier conference teams, like you are having to face a power team
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  that is in a big time conference.
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  And let's just see how you do. I I don't hate the idea.
• 1:05:36
  Could we tweak it a little bit? How about because this is when
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  it gets into again, it's all subjective, right?
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  You have to play a Power Four team within 500 miles of your
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  college. You have to play a Power Four
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  team further than 500 miles from your college.
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  And then you get one spot. If you want to schedule a
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  subdivision team, go ahead. But if you want to schedule
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  another Power Four team, people are probably going to look at
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  that favorably. If you are Ohio State and you
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  want to do a favor to give Youngstown State some money
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  because you do get a big paycheck for paying them, that
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  is your choice. But if you want to go play
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  Arizona State, you know, as as a, you know, opponent, nothing
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  against Arizona State. You said Arizona, I said Arizona
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  State. Then maybe that's what then
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  maybe that's what you do. But if you basically make it
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  that it is a regional, it is a quote UN quote regional non
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  conference game, a non regional non conference game and then a
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  wild card game, maybe that's the way to go.
• 1:06:42
  And then the school can figure it out from there.
• 1:06:44
  And that way you're not you're not forcing them to do it, but
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  you're kind of like, hey, guys, you know what happens if you
• 1:06:52
  schedule that subdivision team? You might not have it as
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  favorably looked as a team that goes and plays three Power 4
• 1:06:59
  schools. Yeah, no, I agree.
• 1:07:01
  Because then, yeah, it, it would give you a better idea of, you
• 1:07:04
  know, like you said, let's take Ohio State for example.
• 1:07:06
  Like if you look at the 12 games that they play and like you
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  said, if they play young Youngstown State, it's like, all
• 1:07:11
  right, well, yes, you beat them. But let's say you lose, you do
• 1:07:14
  lose a couple of games against like Power 4 opponents.
• 1:07:17
  Like, yeah, maybe if that last game, if you got a if you got a
• 1:07:20
  win, maybe that tips the scale in your favor as far as you
• 1:07:23
  know, 100% you go up against and whatnot.
• 1:07:26
  So I, I like that. I don't, I don't mind that.
• 1:07:29
  But that that was one of the interesting things that I I
• 1:07:31
  heard Nick Saban say as far as his his thoughts for trying to
• 1:07:35
  save college football and make college football football better
• 1:07:38
  because it is something else fans want to see.
• 1:07:40
  Like, you know, how how many times do we get a Big 12 versus
• 1:07:43
  Big 10, you know, crossover matchup in football?
• 1:07:46
  Like we see a lot of basketball and, and basketball's cool.
• 1:07:49
  Don't get me wrong. I I love, I love seeing college
• 1:07:52
  basketball in those those cross conference rivalries because
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  it's like, oh, OK, this is different.
• 1:07:56
  We don't get to see it all the time in college football.
• 1:07:59
  Like, yeah, you get the side hawk because it's Big 10 versus
• 1:08:01
  Big 12. But it's like, yeah, that's
• 1:08:04
  that's only one of those. Like it's really good when it
• 1:08:07
  happens kind of thing, but it doesn't happen all that often.
• 1:08:10
  And other than, oh, then there's Kentucky versus Louisville, but
• 1:08:14
  kind of the same thing. They're not Kentucky is not
• 1:08:17
  exactly a powerhouse in football and same with Louisville.
• 1:08:20
  So it's like, and like, I guess the closest ones you could get
• 1:08:23
  would be like Florida State, Florida or Florida Miami.
• 1:08:28
  When when all those teams are good and they face off, it's
• 1:08:31
  like, OK, this is the cross rivalry that we wanted to watch
• 1:08:35
  and we wanted to see. Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  So, but yeah, man, that's that is pretty much everything that
• 1:08:41
  we had. Awesome.
• 1:08:43
  It's thank you again for having me.
• 1:08:45
  I I love coming on. I love talking with you.
• 1:08:47
  You're always, you're always cool, calm and collected.
• 1:08:50
  And Stuart Scott said you're as cool as the other side of the
• 1:08:52
  pillow. I try to be.
• 1:08:54
  I try and I always try to work on my graphics to make stuff
• 1:08:57
  look cool too. But I appreciate you being on
• 1:09:01
  Joe. I always appreciate your
• 1:09:02
  thoughts. And and because again, there's
• 1:09:04
  only, I don't think people really understand whenever you
• 1:09:07
  do something like podcasts and you whenever you have a specific
• 1:09:10
  topic, no matter what it is, sports, heck, you could even go
• 1:09:14
  if you really want to get deep into it.
• 1:09:16
  And this is again, completely subjective.
• 1:09:19
  Like if you get anything like politics, like you have some
• 1:09:21
  people, you're like, wow, this person really knows what he's
• 1:09:23
  talking about. Like, oh God, this person
• 1:09:25
  doesn't know what they're doing. Anything like that.
• 1:09:30
  It it's hard to find people. It's like, OK, they have a
• 1:09:33
  different perspective, but I like hearing what they have.
• 1:09:36
  I like seeing the perspective, their perspective on this.
• 1:09:39
  And you're one of those people when it comes to sports, it's
• 1:09:41
  like I like Joe's thoughts and opinions because Joe always
• 1:09:43
  comes with something different. It's like, OK, yeah, I kind of
• 1:09:46
  see where he's coming from with that.
• 1:09:47
  So I appreciate you coming on, good Sir.
• 1:09:49
  Of course I I love it and, and just just keep rocking, man.
• 1:09:54
  I love it. I'm trying And then of course we
• 1:09:57
  still need to talk with Aman as far as.
• 1:09:59
  Our we do. Schedule for getting jawing and
• 1:10:02
  bawling back up. Listen, this kid is traveling
• 1:10:04
  all around the world calling cricket games.
• 1:10:06
  He he's forgot about us. We're, we're the cousins that
• 1:10:09
  like, we have all these childhood memories.
• 1:10:11
  They have all these photos and, and now we're like, hey, man,
• 1:10:13
  did you change your number? He goes, no, I just, I've been,
• 1:10:16
  I've been really busy and you know, like I got married and got
• 1:10:19
  a couple kids and we'll, we'll, we'll still play Wolf football
• 1:10:22
  out the yard. It's OK.
• 1:10:24
  We'll still play some video and I have time.
• 1:10:26
  You never have time. I never have time.
• 1:10:31
  That's what it feels like. But we'll we'll get it up and
• 1:10:33
  going. Say it's kind of one of those.
• 1:10:35
  When I thought about it, I was like, well, yeah, we're talking
• 1:10:37
  about doing it in the offseason, which we could do.
• 1:10:39
  We could still do shows. And it's going to be rough
• 1:10:42
  though, because there's it's the offseason.
• 1:10:44
  It's really hard to talk about stuff in the.
• 1:10:46
  Offseason. Oh, I love it.
• 1:10:47
  I love talking offseason. Offseason's my favorite because
• 1:10:50
  then you get to come up with the crazy ideas.
• 1:10:51
  Oh. Man, the crazy ideas, the crazy
• 1:10:54
  topics. Of course, the best part?
• 1:10:55
  All the drama, because everybody's bored.
• 1:10:58
  And they're like. Just one football to come back,
• 1:11:01
  Like, oh, hey, Michigan's athletic director is stepping
• 1:11:03
  down because he said, hey, man, don't bring the sidekick with
• 1:11:05
  you. Like, oh, what else do you got
• 1:11:08
  hiding under there, buddy? But nonetheless, I appreciate
• 1:11:13
  everybody tuning in. If you like this, definitely
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  Definitely check out Joe Joe will be doing hopefully more
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• 1:11:30
  bawling all over again. We just don't have dates or
• 1:11:33
  times yet that we want to do that.
• 1:11:35
  But we'll definitely start come football season and hopefully
• 1:11:39
  just before football season, we'll get that started.
• 1:11:42
  And then Joe does have another podcast.
• 1:11:44
  He occasionally does the Out of Bounds, but I don't know as much
• 1:11:47
  about that one. That's OK.
• 1:11:49
  We're starting to back up. We had to get on different feet,
• 1:11:52
  but I'll have more information the next time.
• 1:11:54
  But as always, man, thanks. Thanks everybody for tuning in
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  but we will definitely have a show probably the 18th right
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