Latest / The Bolt Report / The Bolt Report | 14 November
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- 0:11Speaker 1: Is the bold perform it.
- 0:15Speaker 2: Tonight I'll talk to the singer canceled for wearing a
- 0:18Speaker 2: Donald Trump cat. The backlash just got very personal. And
- 0:22Speaker 2: how dangerous are all these wind turbines out Bush? With
- 0:25Speaker 2: summer coming? Well, so tonight why raise politics is a
- 0:28Speaker 2: threat to democracy? Mary? Politicians threaten other MPs in New
- 0:33Speaker 2: Zealand's Parliament with a war dance after losing a vote.
- 0:37Speaker 2: Plasinite is stunning insight from a top general who's talked
- 0:41Speaker 2: to Donald Trump. And as a warning to Vladimir Putin,
- 0:44Speaker 2: do not believe all the media stories. Do not count
- 0:47Speaker 2: on Trump helping you to win in Ukraine. You will
- 0:51Speaker 2: not know what Donald Trump will unleash on the world
- 0:55Speaker 2: until you hear this. But first, the brawl over can
- 1:00Speaker 2: and Rudd today became dangerous for US Sky News for
- 1:03Speaker 2: all the Murdock media. Not so good for the rest
- 1:06Speaker 2: of the country either. Not enough people know how difficult
- 1:09Speaker 2: and dangerous has become to be conservatives in the media,
- 1:12Speaker 2: or was in danger of being banned or censored put
- 1:14Speaker 2: out a business by politicians and judges. Well we got
- 1:18Speaker 2: reminded today. As I said last night, it is a
- 1:21Speaker 2: no brainer that Kevin Rudd should no longer be our
- 1:24Speaker 2: ambassador Washington, not if we want our best salesman, someone
- 1:27Speaker 2: who understands and can negotiate well with the incoming president
- 1:30Speaker 2: Donald Trump and his team. After all, Rudd is the ambassador,
- 1:35Speaker 2: didn't see Trump's been coming and didn't delete until last
- 1:38Speaker 2: week social media posts calling Trump a traitor to the
- 1:40Speaker 2: West and the most destructive president in history. And then
- 1:44Speaker 2: there's his other attacks. Trump is nuts, the village idiot.
- 1:49Speaker 2: Now the excuses I keep hearing for him obviously don't wash.
- 1:52Speaker 2: I mean, oh, he's recanted on his opinions on Trump. No,
- 1:56Speaker 2: he hasn't. He simply deleted them. Oh but other people
- 2:00Speaker 2: said worse about Trump and he's forgiven them, like as
- 2:02Speaker 2: vice president. Yes, but they said they've changed their mind.
- 2:07Speaker 2: Rudd has not. And so today we get the attacks
- 2:12Speaker 2: then on the Murdoch media, especially scarting. You just pointing
- 2:15Speaker 2: out the bleeding obvious. Here's Assistant Trade Minister Tim Airs,
- 2:19Speaker 2: a member of the Prime Minister's socialist left faction.
- 2:23Speaker 3: There's a lot of noise coming from some Australian media
- 2:26Speaker 3: organizations on this question. With the greatest respect Tolly to
- 2:31Speaker 3: your organization and others. The Austrainian government, not foreign owned
- 2:38Speaker 3: cable TV networks, the Australian government on behalf of Australian
- 2:43Speaker 3: INSTITUTEES who is Australian's ambassador of the United States for one.
- 2:48Speaker 2: That's just add hominem abuse. You know, Oh, we're foreign owned,
- 2:53Speaker 2: but we've got no right to speak well to Tim Airs,
- 2:56Speaker 2: I will say this, My views are my views. I
- 3:00Speaker 2: was born here, I've lived in this country for damn
- 3:02Speaker 2: more years than you have. And my boss at Sky
- 3:05Speaker 2: News Australian. His boss is an Australian, and that man's boss,
- 3:10Speaker 2: Robert Thompson is also Australian, as is the boss of
- 3:14Speaker 2: us all. Lachlan Murdock, Well, he bleeds Australian sadly for him,
- 3:19Speaker 2: he was born in America. Is probably watching the show
- 3:22Speaker 2: right now from his home in Sydney. Was it in London? Wherever?
- 3:26Speaker 2: London and every one of us wants only the best
- 3:31Speaker 2: for this country. Now, if you're so worried about foreign influence,
- 3:35Speaker 2: tem how about your socialist left faction. That wokeness that
- 3:42Speaker 2: it has is what's tearing this country apart. That's the
- 3:44Speaker 2: real foreign influence. Your faction imported, its toxic identity politics
- 3:48Speaker 2: from the US. It imported our ruinous global warming targets
- 3:52Speaker 2: from the United Nations. It imported its device in multiculturalism
- 3:56Speaker 2: from Canada, and now it's selling out our values. Our
- 4:00Speaker 2: relationship with Israel to pander to voters in Sydney imported
- 4:03Speaker 2: largely from the Middle East. Tim, you are the last
- 4:07Speaker 2: person to talk about foreign influences. But to the other
- 4:11Speaker 2: half of as ludicrous argument, the one parroted by former
- 4:15Speaker 2: premis and Malcolm Turnbull, who blames Rupert Murder for him
- 4:18Speaker 2: being so hopeless as promise that his own party sacked him.
- 4:22Speaker 2: He now accuses of taking revenge against Rudd. Revengeful. What
- 4:26Speaker 2: he says, this is a campaign that News Call kicked
- 4:29Speaker 2: off and they are running a vendetta. And the answer
- 4:33Speaker 2: to that is obvious.
- 4:36Speaker 4: Blames studies on News Corp for bringing out these old comments.
- 4:40Speaker 1: So do you think that it's to me?
- 4:41Speaker 5: It's that I think people take responsibility for their own comments,
- 4:46Speaker 5: and where you've made comments, then you have to own
- 4:50Speaker 5: them and have to explain them.
- 4:51Speaker 2: And that's an issue for mister Albert easy to explain. Yes,
- 4:57Speaker 2: we should blame Kevin Rudd most this crisis for simply
- 5:01Speaker 2: opening his big mouth and abusing Trump so childishly and ignorantly.
- 5:06Speaker 2: And what really blew it up was not us but
- 5:09Speaker 2: Donald Trump himself and his people, including his daughter in
- 5:11Speaker 2: law Lara, head of the Republican National Convention, wondering why
- 5:16Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd was still there. I heard he was a
- 5:19Speaker 2: little bit nasty.
- 5:20Speaker 6: I hear he's not the Bright's bulb.
- 5:24Speaker 2: Another Trump officials weighed in. His former White House spokesman
- 5:27Speaker 2: Sean Spicer, thought Rud should quit. And the man Trump
- 5:30Speaker 2: is just appointed as Deputy White House Chief of Staff
- 5:33Speaker 2: even he mocked Kevin Rudd by posting his rud statement
- 5:37Speaker 2: about deleting his anti Trump tweets and then adding a
- 5:40Speaker 2: gift of an hourglass with the sands running out. And
- 5:45Speaker 2: not one of those people are Murdoch employees. Oh so
- 5:50Speaker 2: should we in the wicked Murdock camp by and not
- 5:52Speaker 2: have reported what they think about Donald Trump's They stayed
- 5:55Speaker 2: stun to help him out. He would get to the three.
- 6:00Speaker 2: And this is the implicit threat we have in this
- 6:04Speaker 2: labor government, an enemy of free speech. You know that
- 6:07Speaker 2: it even wants a new misinformation law so called to
- 6:10Speaker 2: stop you from saying what It's government pointed officials reckons
- 6:16Speaker 2: is wrong and Labour has a record of trying to
- 6:19Speaker 2: sense of the Murdock media, threatened it under the Gillar government.
- 6:22Speaker 2: Now it's got the Greens wanting to wanting it to
- 6:26Speaker 2: try again with this Misinformation Bill. He's the Greens Co
- 6:29Speaker 2: Deputy leader this morning.
- 6:32Speaker 7: Interestingly, this bill doesn't seek to cover people like the
- 6:36Speaker 7: Murdoch Press, and we know there's an awful lot of
- 6:38Speaker 7: misinformation in that, in those outlets, and so we will
- 6:43Speaker 7: be working with the government to try to fix that.
- 6:47Speaker 2: Now Laborer isn't doing that yet, but who knows what
- 6:52Speaker 2: it will do to please the Greens after the next
- 6:54Speaker 2: election if it needs their votes to stay in government. Now,
- 7:00Speaker 2: why are these attacks, all these attacks on the Murdoch
- 7:04Speaker 2: media and Skye News particularly, it's kind of nothing to
- 7:06Speaker 2: do with the misinformation. You want misinformation, go to the ABC.
- 7:10Speaker 2: We're just one of the very few media organizations left
- 7:13Speaker 2: in this country which still aires conservative commentators like me,
- 7:18Speaker 2: like Peter, like Chris. The ABC, though not one conservative
- 7:23Speaker 2: hosting a news or current affairs show. The Aged newspaper,
- 7:26Speaker 2: not one conservative columnist. The Sidney Morning Herald the same,
- 7:30Speaker 2: The Garden Australia, the same cracky, the same on and
- 7:33Speaker 2: on and on. So if they can muzzle us, conservatives
- 7:37Speaker 2: in this country virtually silenced. And that's why some in
- 7:41Speaker 2: our organization, I have to say, are worried that we
- 7:44Speaker 2: are going to be blamed for Rudd's four. In fact,
- 7:49Speaker 2: Rudd is used to head an organization demanding the government
- 7:53Speaker 2: crack down on us on the Murdoch Media.
- 7:57Speaker 5: Sky News now has the biggest a presence in terms
- 8:01Speaker 5: of its digital presence right across the country. The fact
- 8:05Speaker 5: that its YouTube channel is growing exponentially, far bigger than
- 8:09Speaker 5: what you see from frankly the public broadcasters. We will
- 8:12Speaker 5: cross a threshold soon where average Australians, working families say
- 8:18Speaker 5: enough is enough. Australian for a Modock Royal Commissioner is
- 8:21Speaker 5: growing in its membership every day.
- 8:24Speaker 2: In fact, what's growing is our audience a lot because
- 8:28Speaker 2: you value debate, You trust this, You actually pay to
- 8:33Speaker 2: hear us where you could get us someone else for
- 8:35Speaker 2: free on the ABC. That's trust. But you look at labor,
- 8:41Speaker 2: Labor is wanting, is tempted to deny you that choice.
- 8:46Speaker 2: The Greens are gagging for censorship of Sky. So really,
- 8:53Speaker 2: in a way, I really shouldn't be calling for Kevin
- 8:55Speaker 2: rud to quit. It's note of my interests. I mean,
- 8:59Speaker 2: he would just probably came back here and go once
- 9:01Speaker 2: more from ABC Studio to ABC studio, demanding the Labor
- 9:04Speaker 2: government whip us into line. No, it's not in our
- 9:08Speaker 2: interests to say that Rudh would quit as ambassador, but
- 9:11Speaker 2: it is in Australia's our US President Joe Barden's just
- 9:20Speaker 2: exposed the big lie we heard during the election campaign
- 9:23Speaker 2: that oh, Donald Trump would be a dictator, a hitler.
- 9:26Speaker 2: How often did the kame Ala Harris campaign say that?
- 9:28Speaker 2: How often did the media left claim it too? But
- 9:31Speaker 2: when Biden met Trump at the White House, over nods,
- 9:34Speaker 2: all smiles and handshakes, with Trump almost offering an apology
- 9:39Speaker 2: to Baden for attacking him during the campaign, it was
- 9:42Speaker 2: all a good humor all around.
- 9:46Speaker 8: Graduation and looking forward to Hon' make me serve school
- 9:52Speaker 8: of transition toever we can make sure you're a comedy once.
- 9:56Speaker 1: You need to get a chance to idcross.
- 9:58Speaker 6: To welcome jan Thank you very much. And politics is tough,
- 10:06Speaker 6: and it's mad cases not a very nice world. But
- 10:10Speaker 6: it is a nice world today and they appreciate very
- 10:13Speaker 6: much a transition that's so smooth. It'll be as smooth
- 10:16Speaker 6: as it can get. And I very much appreciate.
- 10:19Speaker 1: That joy you are. Ye.
- 10:22Speaker 2: Biden could hardly have looked happier. It's almost like he
- 10:25Speaker 2: liked Kamala Harris losing anyway, But it's not the welcome
- 10:28Speaker 2: that a Democrat president would give to a hitler? Is
- 10:32Speaker 2: it to a dictator? Joining me? Is Thursday regular Barnaby
- 10:36Speaker 2: Joyce the Nationals Front venture of former difficuty Prime Minutes
- 10:38Speaker 2: that Barnaby? I mean? Is Kevin Rudd seriously the best
- 10:44Speaker 2: person to be our ambassador to Washington? After the calling
- 10:47Speaker 2: the incoming president crazy nuts and the village idiots? Shouldn't
- 10:51Speaker 2: he be replaced by someone who Trump would at least respect?
- 10:57Speaker 2: Oh well, the.
- 10:57Speaker 9: Value judgment of mister Albeneasy. He is a remarkable insight
- 11:02Speaker 9: that he has into global politics. I think the question
- 11:05Speaker 9: that mister right Kevin to be quite frank and get
- 11:10Speaker 9: along with him on one on one, but he's got
- 11:12Speaker 9: to be honest with himself.
- 11:13Speaker 2: As I've said before, are you.
- 11:16Speaker 9: Able, Kevin to pick up the phone and get onto
- 11:18Speaker 9: the people who matter? Are you going to be able
- 11:19Speaker 9: to get onto Marco Rubio. Are you going to be
- 11:21Speaker 9: able to get onto to Donald Trump's private secretary? Are
- 11:25Speaker 9: you going to get access to the Capitol. Is the
- 11:28Speaker 9: President some stage going to say, as I've said before,
- 11:31Speaker 9: come on in, Kevin, sit down and have an ice
- 11:34Speaker 9: vovo and a cup of hot chocolate. Or are you
- 11:37Speaker 9: just going to be sort of down at the embassy
- 11:38Speaker 9: meeting rats and mice of the of lesser influence from
- 11:43Speaker 9: around Washington, which is no use to Australia and Kevin.
- 11:46Speaker 9: If you think that's going to be the case, then
- 11:48Speaker 9: you know you have to do You have to get
- 11:50Speaker 9: out and give the job somebody else.
- 11:54Speaker 2: You know, I'm tempted, Barnaby. I know this will cause conniptions.
- 12:00Speaker 2: Americans they often put very well connected business people as
- 12:03Speaker 2: their ambassador, right, I'm thinking Gina rein Hart. You know,
- 12:08Speaker 2: she was actually so close to Donald Trump. She was
- 12:10Speaker 2: at the Mara Lago party at his house. But you're
- 12:14Speaker 2: dropping out and maybe that's a good thing. Hold on,
- 12:21Speaker 2: Oh gosh, well, I think Gina Renhard, Well, Gina Reinhard
- 12:26Speaker 2: actually was close enough to Trump and she did all right.
- 12:30Speaker 1: She could be doing all right.
- 12:31Speaker 2: For us anyway. I was sure by the way, let
- 12:35Speaker 2: me switch to something else while Barnaby is trying to
- 12:38Speaker 2: figure out how to resume communications. I was sure the
- 12:44Speaker 2: Australians last year voted against the viting us by Race.
- 12:49Speaker 2: I'm sure you did too. Victoria's labor government, though, is
- 12:53Speaker 2: moving fast through a partheart. It already has its own
- 12:55Speaker 2: voice at first People's Assembly, a kind of average will
- 12:59Speaker 2: only advisory Parliament elected by just ten percent of Victorian
- 13:04Speaker 2: adults identifying as Aboriginal. And last week this government, well
- 13:11Speaker 2: or next week rather, this government is going to start
- 13:13Speaker 2: negotiating in secret a treaty with bonding clauses like an
- 13:19Speaker 2: enterprise bargaining agreement.
- 13:22Speaker 10: Any reasonable person can understand that these will be negotiations
- 13:26Speaker 10: that will be held in a respectful way, a confidential way.
- 13:30Speaker 10: You could compare it to ABA negotiations, and that is
- 13:33Speaker 10: the parties bring their log of claims to the table,
- 13:37Speaker 10: they negotiate it through and they come up with an
- 13:40Speaker 10: outcome that is binding and it will be certified and
- 13:44Speaker 10: binded by the Parliament of Victoria.
- 13:48Speaker 2: Bunnaby Joyce the Victorian government secretly negotiating from next week
- 13:54Speaker 2: a treaty with people identifying as Aborigine as Aborigines. What
- 14:00Speaker 2: do you make of this?
- 14:03Speaker 9: The first question I'd ask Andrew is did they recognize
- 14:07Speaker 9: that we've kind of had a referendum on this, and
- 14:11Speaker 9: even Victoria they don't support it.
- 14:14Speaker 2: Why don't they listen?
- 14:15Speaker 9: Why do you get this sort of this left wing
- 14:17Speaker 9: cabal that never accepts the word no, that just can't
- 14:23Speaker 9: move on, that says, oh, well, the world is ill informed,
- 14:26Speaker 9: they're ignorant, they're bumpkins, they're the fools, and they need
- 14:31Speaker 9: to be ruled up. That's what the left always do,
- 14:33Speaker 9: the primacy of the state of the individual, not believe
- 14:36Speaker 9: in the individuals right when they've said no, but they're
- 14:38Speaker 9: going to do it to you anyway, because they just
- 14:40Speaker 9: think that that's what should happen to the ignorant, senseless masses.
- 14:44Speaker 9: They are to be walked on and controlled and here
- 14:47Speaker 9: comes your treaty and here comes the problems with it.
- 14:53Speaker 2: I think it's just so shocking racial division. Even in
- 14:56Speaker 2: Victoria the Voice referendum was defeated, and yet this still
- 15:00Speaker 2: going ahead with this nonsense. Don'tbe just quickly a shocking
- 15:03Speaker 2: stab in the back for Israel, a shocking reward for
- 15:06Speaker 2: slaughtering Jews on October seven, the Albedize government shift to
- 15:12Speaker 2: destroyers vote in the you in to recognize the quote
- 15:14Speaker 2: permanent sovereignty of Palestine is over the so called occupied territories,
- 15:19Speaker 2: including the Golan Heights and even East Jerusalem, giving away
- 15:23Speaker 2: land that Israel holds and some of which it says
- 15:26Speaker 2: it's critical for its security. And this when there is
- 15:29Speaker 2: no Palastinine government that isn't led but terrorists or isn't
- 15:33Speaker 2: funding terrorists. Your response, well, who they get?
- 15:38Speaker 1: Now?
- 15:38Speaker 9: They believe that they're just going to sort of move
- 15:41Speaker 9: ahead with what a terrorist organization administering a piece of land.
- 15:48Speaker 9: When did they come to the conclusion that that was
- 15:50Speaker 9: good for anybody? Hamas is a terrorist organization. Has Belah,
- 15:54Speaker 9: which would take out of the goal on heights is
- 15:56Speaker 9: a terrorist organization. I mean, this is this is how
- 16:01Speaker 9: disconnected from the reality. Do they believe what they did
- 16:05Speaker 9: in any way and even in an iota is going
- 16:07Speaker 9: to bring about peace, which was what everybody wants. But
- 16:10Speaker 9: you can only get reasonable negotiations between peaceful parties. And
- 16:17Speaker 9: what you have now is a terrorist organization that's made
- 16:21Speaker 9: it their goal to remove to remove Israel from the map.
- 16:24Speaker 2: That's what they want to do.
- 16:26Speaker 9: You can't negotiate with them.
- 16:28Speaker 2: And it's a direct consequence of Hamas actually slaughtering twelve
- 16:33Speaker 2: hundred Jews. And this is the reward. I mean, it's
- 16:35Speaker 2: just insane. Bannaby Joyce, thank you so much for your time.
- 16:41Speaker 2: I said, look, this is an interview, a pre recorded
- 16:43Speaker 2: you've got this is just so important. This is stuff
- 16:46Speaker 2: that you will not have heard anywhere else. I said.
- 16:49Speaker 2: The first people that Donald Trump picked for his new administration,
- 16:53Speaker 2: we're very tough, strong and securing America's board. It's strong
- 16:55Speaker 2: and defending Israel. They'll be horrified by what Australia's just done.
- 17:00Speaker 2: But some of these lightest picks, I'm going to say
- 17:02Speaker 2: spilled trouble. Certainly don't mean Senator MARKA. Rubia, who Trump
- 17:05Speaker 2: is now confirmed will be a security state. His top
- 17:08Speaker 2: people met Rubia is good experience, a lot of it
- 17:11Speaker 2: in foreign aface, tough on China, on Iran, and on
- 17:14Speaker 2: the defense of Israel. On the contrary, I want you
- 17:22Speaker 2: guys to get this.
- 17:22Speaker 8: I want them to destroy every element of Hamas they
- 17:25Speaker 8: can get their hands on. These people are vicious animals
- 17:27Speaker 8: who did horrifying crimes, and I hope you guys post
- 17:30Speaker 8: that what about civilians?
- 17:33Speaker 11: Every day?
- 17:34Speaker 8: Hamas stopped hiding behind civilians, putting civilians on the way.
- 17:37Speaker 8: Hamas knew that this was going to lead to this,
- 17:39Speaker 8: So Hamas has stopped building their military installations underneath hospital.
- 17:42Speaker 10: So you don't care the fifteen thousand die, you don't
- 17:45Speaker 10: care about the babies that.
- 17:46Speaker 8: Are I think it's terrible, and I think Hamas is
- 17:49Speaker 8: one hundred percent to blame.
- 17:50Speaker 2: That's what I think.
- 17:51Speaker 1: Make sure you post that.
- 17:52Speaker 2: Please. He's good and I think he's really going to
- 17:55Speaker 2: be disgusted with what the Abenezi government has just done
- 17:57Speaker 2: in the UN. But then there's yes, I got to
- 18:00Speaker 2: say this. Tulsa Gabbard is going to be Trump's Director
- 18:03Speaker 2: of National Intelligence, overseeing the National Spy Agency. What a worry?
- 18:08Speaker 2: What to worry overseeing all those agencies. Gabbart once run,
- 18:12Speaker 2: ran for the Democrat nomination for president and then switched
- 18:15Speaker 2: to Trump. But seems a conspiracy nut. I mean, she
- 18:18Speaker 2: met Suming dictator baschil Asad and swallowed his line that
- 18:21Speaker 2: he wasn't bombing his own people. Yes he was, And
- 18:24Speaker 2: she pushed a Kremlin backed conspiracy theory that Ukraine was
- 18:28Speaker 2: developing American backed biological weapons laboratories. Trump has also picked
- 18:33Speaker 2: Matt Gates as his Attorney general. Now he is a
- 18:35Speaker 2: populous blow hard congressman with Beauffan Hare, who is still
- 18:39Speaker 2: being investigated by the House Ethics Committee overclaims of engaging
- 18:42Speaker 2: sexual conduct with the underage girl elicit druggis more. Oh,
- 18:46Speaker 2: I'm innocence's Gates, and true, the FBI had dropped its
- 18:49Speaker 2: own investigation. But that guy, he smells, and yet he
- 18:54Speaker 2: is now going to be the top legal official in
- 18:56Speaker 2: the US despite having little legal exp is after getting
- 19:01Speaker 2: this law degree. I reckon they're going to struggle those
- 19:04Speaker 2: two to get centered approval for their jobs. But but
- 19:09Speaker 2: more important for the world is Trump's because Defense secretary.
- 19:13Speaker 2: He's overseeing the world's mightiest military. And Trump has picked
- 19:17Speaker 2: Fox News host Pete Hesth, who retired as just the
- 19:21Speaker 2: captain in the National Guard, and his main agenda seems
- 19:24Speaker 2: to be to get rid of woke diversity equity inclusion
- 19:27Speaker 2: policies in the US military of no women in combat
- 19:31Speaker 2: roles for.
- 19:31Speaker 12: Instance, Well, first of all, you gotta fire, you know,
- 19:35Speaker 12: you got to fire the Chairman of Joint Chiefs, And
- 19:37Speaker 12: you got to fire this. I mean, obviously gonn bring
- 19:39Speaker 12: in a new Secretary of Defense, but any general that
- 19:41Speaker 12: was involved, general, admiral, whatever, that was involved in any
- 19:43Speaker 12: of the DEI woke shit, it's.
- 19:45Speaker 2: Got to go.
- 19:47Speaker 12: Either you're in for war fighting that and that's it.
- 19:50Speaker 12: That's the only litmus tests we care about.
- 19:52Speaker 1: Uh, you've got to get DEI.
- 19:54Speaker 12: And cert out of military academies so you're not training
- 19:56Speaker 12: young officers to be baptized in this type of thinking.
- 19:59Speaker 12: H And then you know, whatever the standards, whatever the
- 20:02Speaker 12: combat standards were saying, I don't know nineteen ninety five,
- 20:05Speaker 12: let's just make those standards. And as far as recruiting
- 20:08Speaker 12: to hire the guy that you know did top gun
- 20:10Speaker 12: Maverick and create some real ads that motivate people that want.
- 20:13Speaker 2: To serve, well, okay, Well, joining me is General Jack Keane.
- 20:17Speaker 2: It was fat chief staffter the United States Army and
- 20:20Speaker 2: full star General. Donald Trump asked him twice in his
- 20:23Speaker 2: first time as president to be the Defense Secretary, but
- 20:27Speaker 2: for tragic personal reasons, you had to refuse. He is
- 20:30Speaker 2: now Chairman of the Institute for the Study of War.
- 20:34Speaker 2: General Keen, it's great to see you, particularly after these
- 20:38Speaker 2: amazing week or two, this last week or two, Pete Hegseth.
- 20:43Speaker 2: Let's start with him. Is this the man the US
- 20:47Speaker 2: needs to oversee its military forces?
- 20:49Speaker 4: Hexas has considerably less experience than anyone I'm familiar with
- 20:54Speaker 4: who had that position. But some of the things we
- 20:57Speaker 4: have to recognize. One is educated here in America. He
- 21:01Speaker 4: went to two of our top schools, Princeton for undergraduate
- 21:06Speaker 4: and Harvard for graduate work. He does have a very
- 21:12Speaker 4: good feel for the general challenges that are facing the
- 21:16Speaker 4: United States from our adversaries, and certainly what's facing the
- 21:20Speaker 4: Defense Department.
- 21:22Speaker 1: But the issue really.
- 21:24Speaker 4: Is his lack of experience, and so he has no
- 21:29Speaker 4: relationship with our international allies and partners other than being
- 21:33Speaker 4: in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I should note he is
- 21:36Speaker 4: a combat veteran, was a captain in our National Guard.
- 21:40Speaker 1: The other thing is.
- 21:43Speaker 4: He doesn't have any experience in policy formulation or understanding
- 21:49Speaker 4: of how the DOT functions. And finally, he has no
- 21:53Speaker 4: relationship with the Congress, who is very much a part
- 21:57Speaker 4: a Department of Defense here in the United States being successful.
- 22:00Speaker 4: So what I have decided to do as man, he'll
- 22:04Speaker 4: be confirmed. I am trying to put together the most
- 22:09Speaker 4: effective team that's experienced, has proven capabilities to compensate for
- 22:16Speaker 4: peace lack of experience dealing with the major issues that
- 22:20Speaker 4: the Defense Department does well.
- 22:22Speaker 2: It's a very daunting assessment. There has been talked about
- 22:25Speaker 2: this body of former generals or military experts to have
- 22:30Speaker 2: a look at who should be promoted and who should
- 22:35Speaker 2: not within the military and advisor are you talking about?
- 22:38Speaker 2: Is that what you're talking about? Are you going to
- 22:40Speaker 2: be part of that?
- 22:41Speaker 1: No?
- 22:42Speaker 4: And I totally disagree with this, this focus on wokeism.
- 22:48Speaker 4: A policy we call diversity, equity and inclusion, and the
- 22:55Speaker 4: thought that that is to detracted our forces from properly
- 22:59Speaker 4: training and readiness, and also that there's a number of
- 23:05Speaker 4: incompetent generals out there. That is a very exaggerated issue
- 23:09Speaker 4: in my mind. I'm not suggesting there isn't some of
- 23:13Speaker 4: it there, but it is so easy to correct Andrew
- 23:17Speaker 4: on day one, they can do the opposite of what
- 23:20Speaker 4: President Biden did. He came into office issued in the
- 23:23Speaker 4: Executive Office or of the first week that everybody had
- 23:27Speaker 4: to establish a diversity, Equity and Inclusion office and people
- 23:32Speaker 4: to run it at all levels throughout the entire federal government.
- 23:37Speaker 1: Trump comes in.
- 23:38Speaker 4: Reverses that executive order, and I guarantee you the Defense
- 23:43Speaker 4: Department will have that extinguished and be fully completed in
- 23:48Speaker 4: no time whatsoever.
- 23:49Speaker 2: From what you are seeing this new Trump administration, what
- 23:54Speaker 2: do you expect it to do about this Third World
- 23:57Speaker 2: War that we're facing, where you've got Russia, China, Iran,
- 24:01Speaker 2: North Korea all helping each other, whether it's the invasion
- 24:06Speaker 2: of Ukraine, attacking Israel, backing China's claims to Taiwan. What
- 24:12Speaker 2: direction are you seeing we.
- 24:15Speaker 4: Are in my judgment of pre war era, And I
- 24:18Speaker 4: mean that these four countries that you name are collaborating,
- 24:22Speaker 4: coordinating together under mine in the United States and like
- 24:26Speaker 4: minded democracy so they can influence and take control of
- 24:29Speaker 4: the world. And I become considerably more aggressive and assertive
- 24:33Speaker 4: these last four years. And the reason is they believe
- 24:36Speaker 4: American leadership is weak and believe American leadership.
- 24:40Speaker 1: Doesn't have the political will to confronted. President Trump.
- 24:44Speaker 4: By being elected last Tuesday, has already forced all four
- 24:49Speaker 4: of those countries to reassess. President Trump, I believe, very
- 24:53Speaker 4: quickly on the international stage, will set a framework that
- 24:59Speaker 4: he is not going to tolerate this continued aggressiveness and
- 25:03Speaker 4: assertiveness undermine in the United States and I like minded democracies.
- 25:08Speaker 4: Right away, we begin to reset the table and start
- 25:13Speaker 4: to establish some determs.
- 25:16Speaker 2: I totally hear you on that point. I think this
- 25:19Speaker 2: spot on, except it runs at variance with Trump also
- 25:23Speaker 2: suggesting that America will not be participating in any wars,
- 25:30Speaker 2: which that cuts away from the deterrence. Now, Russian President
- 25:34Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin, he's done exactly what you've just said, is
- 25:37Speaker 2: reassessed that decided that Trump will try to win the
- 25:40Speaker 2: war in Ukraine when he's sworn in as president in
- 25:43Speaker 2: two months time, and seems to have quickly stepped up
- 25:46Speaker 2: his attack to force out Ukrainian troops and the bit
- 25:49Speaker 2: of Russia they have taken over around Kursk. Now he's
- 25:53Speaker 2: worried that Trump is going to say, whatever territory you've got, guys,
- 25:58Speaker 2: that's what you're going to keep. But you still well,
- 26:00Speaker 2: now he's so desperate Putin that it's going to soldiers
- 26:03Speaker 2: attacking and virtual human ways getting blown up in enormous
- 26:07Speaker 2: numbers and cours. Last Sunday, nearly two thousand Russian and
- 26:10Speaker 2: North Korean soldiers killed the wound in a single day.
- 26:13Speaker 2: Where do you think this is going to go?
- 26:15Speaker 1: Here's what the issue is.
- 26:17Speaker 4: Putin that President Trump will be dealing with four years
- 26:21Speaker 4: later than the Putin.
- 26:22Speaker 1: He was dealing with is very different.
- 26:24Speaker 4: He is a wartime commander and he's got his economy
- 26:28Speaker 4: on a war footing. I want the administration to understand
- 26:32Speaker 4: that they're not neutral in having Russia and Ukraine negotiating
- 26:37Speaker 4: work on a deal. We have a complete bias for Ukraine,
- 26:42Speaker 4: who was invaded by a thug and a killer who
- 26:45Speaker 4: wants to take over that country and has killed tens
- 26:49Speaker 4: of thousands of innocent Savilians and sixty seventy thousand Ukrainian
- 26:54Speaker 4: people who are fighting in the war, and has taken
- 26:58Speaker 4: and kidnapped some third twenty thousand children that are now
- 27:02Speaker 4: being raised in Russia. How horrific is that? And committed atrocities.
- 27:07Speaker 4: This is what we're dealing with. We're not neutral. Workout
- 27:11Speaker 4: a deal that's favorable to Ukraine and forced Russia to
- 27:15Speaker 4: take that deal. That is what I think has to happen,
- 27:19Speaker 4: and I think it is likely to happen.
- 27:21Speaker 2: You know you have really respect for your views, but
- 27:26Speaker 2: I also know that President Trump respects you. He is
- 27:30Speaker 2: twice asked you to be secretary of Defense. He's giving
- 27:33Speaker 2: you the presidential middle of the Freedom. You've talked to
- 27:37Speaker 2: him at length about what needs to happen. The analysis
- 27:40Speaker 2: you've just given is very different to the one that
- 27:43Speaker 2: is Some of in his camp are saying, particularly idiots
- 27:46Speaker 2: like Tucker Carlson and also his son Don Jr. Are
- 27:52Speaker 2: you going to advise him? Are you advising him? Will
- 27:55Speaker 2: he listen to your point of view?
- 27:58Speaker 4: I will advise him as much as he wants. I'm
- 28:02Speaker 4: somewhat optimistic about it because one thing I've noticed about
- 28:05Speaker 4: President Trump.
- 28:06Speaker 1: He has a viewpoint. He's tough vinded.
- 28:09Speaker 4: About it, but if you give him different or new information,
- 28:14Speaker 4: he's quite coachable.
- 28:16Speaker 1: I have a direct issue with this.
- 28:18Speaker 4: He pulled out a Syria and the Secretary of Defense
- 28:21Speaker 4: resigned over it. I had a discussion with him over it.
- 28:23Speaker 4: I put a map in front of him. I got through,
- 28:26Speaker 4: gave him some details. He said, Okay, I got it.
- 28:30Speaker 1: I got it.
- 28:30Speaker 4: General Kean, I asked the Vice president, is that a reversal?
- 28:34Speaker 4: And he said, congratulations, General, that's a reversal. So he's
- 28:38Speaker 4: coachable and responds to new information. As a president of
- 28:43Speaker 4: the United States should do.
- 28:44Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that great insight. Really appreciate
- 28:47Speaker 2: your time.
- 28:49Speaker 4: Yeah, always great talking to you Andrew and your audience
- 28:52Speaker 4: as well.
- 28:53Speaker 2: General Keen also pointed out to me that Trumps up
- 28:57Speaker 2: in getting intelligence briefings during the camp. He was entitled
- 29:00Speaker 2: to them, didn't get them. He reckons that once Trump
- 29:03Speaker 2: sees tho's intelligence briefings now as president, he'll see stuff
- 29:07Speaker 2: that's going to change his mind. So watch out for this.
- 29:10Speaker 2: After the break, I talked to the singer cancel for
- 29:12Speaker 2: wearing a Donald Trump cap. It's just got a little
- 29:16Speaker 2: willing some of the criticisms now of her very personal
- 29:23Speaker 2: not so much for the tolerance of the tolerant left
- 29:26Speaker 2: and the compassion of compassionate artists. Melbourne singer songwriter Hailey
- 29:31Speaker 2: Mary of the ARIA Award winning band The Jezebels has
- 29:34Speaker 2: been canceled for wearing a MAGA cap, a Trump Make
- 29:38Speaker 2: America Great Again cap. Now, Mary was actually doing it
- 29:43Speaker 2: to protest against our government's misinformation bill to defend free speech,
- 29:47Speaker 2: and ironically she's now got punished for her own. Her
- 29:51Speaker 2: publicist resigned at music venue scrapped a show to promote
- 29:54Speaker 2: her solo album. Now bandmates from the Jezebels themselves are
- 29:58Speaker 2: publicly's owned as saying all the language of the far
- 30:01Speaker 2: right and see through the grotesque attempts to moralize on
- 30:05Speaker 2: free speech. The struggle continues with Loving to Spare but
- 30:08Speaker 2: Hope Heaven, Nick and Sam Hailey. Mary joins me. Now, Hetty,
- 30:14Speaker 2: you've gone through a pretty tough initiation into what it
- 30:18Speaker 2: means to speak your mind about these things and stand
- 30:21Speaker 2: up for free speech. How tough has it been? What's
- 30:23Speaker 2: it cost you?
- 30:26Speaker 13: Well?
- 30:26Speaker 14: Hi, Hi, thanks for having me. By the way, Andrew,
- 30:29Speaker 14: It's an interesting one because it might look tough from
- 30:32Speaker 14: the outside, but my cancelation process is quite unique in
- 30:36Speaker 14: the sense that I did it to myself on purpose
- 30:39Speaker 14: to make multiple points, so I was very aware of
- 30:44Speaker 14: what was going to happen, and I went through all
- 30:46Speaker 14: the people I knew and how I thought they might
- 30:49Speaker 14: react to it before I did it, and they have
- 30:51Speaker 14: reacted exactly as I would suspect and how one might
- 30:55Speaker 14: suspect in a cancelation process. But it's not as tough
- 30:59Speaker 14: on me as I think it is on everyone else
- 31:00Speaker 14: who has ever been canceled when they've done it accidentally
- 31:04Speaker 14: to themselves or been misunderstood. So I'm actually doing quite well.
- 31:09Speaker 14: But yes, it is everything you could imagine it is.
- 31:14Speaker 2: It's a great way of, you know, simplifying your private
- 31:17Speaker 2: life and cleaning up your contact book. I guess, how's
- 31:21Speaker 2: it all divided? You know, family friends in the industry.
- 31:26Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 31:26Speaker 14: No, it's a really good way of shedding the people
- 31:29Speaker 14: who aren't really good friends, I suppose.
- 31:32Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 31:32Speaker 14: Look, I think it was a shock because, as you
- 31:35Speaker 14: probably know, most musicians maybe all musicians, I don't know,
- 31:40Speaker 14: but most musicians move in very liberal, woke circles, that
- 31:43Speaker 14: the industry is very woke. And not only was I
- 31:46Speaker 14: trying to make a point about the Missive Information Bill,
- 31:50Speaker 14: but I also was trying to make a point about
- 31:52Speaker 14: cancel culture and the music industry and the fact that
- 31:55Speaker 14: you couldn't wear a Maga hat, even though a lot
- 31:58Speaker 14: of people like him and is the leader of the
- 32:01Speaker 14: free world, you couldn't wear that in our industry, in
- 32:04Speaker 14: most of the arts without having your career ruined. So
- 32:07Speaker 14: everyone I know pretty much disapproves, apart from a few
- 32:13Speaker 14: very close people, and I've had a few people reaching out,
- 32:17Speaker 14: but a lot of strangers, A lot of strangers are
- 32:20Speaker 14: reaching out, And now as the days go on, quite
- 32:23Speaker 14: a few other musicians are starting to reach out privately
- 32:26Speaker 14: of course and say thank you, I'm really glad to
- 32:29Speaker 14: doing this, please keep going, But publicly, of course, I
- 32:36Speaker 14: am done in the music industry.
- 32:39Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've come to rely on the kindness of strangers.
- 32:42Speaker 2: It sounds rather familiar. But is it really worth sacrificing
- 32:47Speaker 2: your career?
- 32:49Speaker 14: Well, I think if you look at it's twofold. I
- 32:53Speaker 14: think that I'm an artist, so I believe in freedom
- 32:56Speaker 14: expression to quite an extreme extent, and have lived in
- 33:01Speaker 14: cancel culture and with cancel culture like the rest of
- 33:03Speaker 14: us for the last ten years, and I'm finding it's
- 33:07Speaker 14: reaching a pinnacle that it's actually just removing the passion
- 33:11Speaker 14: out of the arts for me, in the fact that
- 33:14Speaker 14: I think the wokeness has captured every part of our
- 33:19Speaker 14: industry and to the point where you cannot have a
- 33:21Speaker 14: different opinion. And it's not so much that I don't
- 33:25Speaker 14: agree with some of the woke ideology, it's just that
- 33:28Speaker 14: the limitation of Actually I don't agree with a lot
- 33:32Speaker 14: of it, but the limitation of it is what's stifling.
- 33:36Speaker 14: So I guess, so I forget the question because I
- 33:41Speaker 14: went on a round about wokeness and it's a whole
- 33:43Speaker 14: new world.
- 33:43Speaker 2: You've answered it anyway, I tell you both. Boy, I've
- 33:46Speaker 2: got to say, Haley, you know, I've often thought, having
- 33:49Speaker 2: been in purgatory for so long myself. I mean once,
- 33:52Speaker 2: despite having once twice word for labor, one of the
- 33:56Speaker 2: great punishments of being in woke circles was, you know,
- 33:59Speaker 2: of the work, was that they had to talk to
- 34:01Speaker 2: each other. I couldn't think of anything were So there
- 34:04Speaker 2: is that gain, right, you can enjoy your solitude or
- 34:08Speaker 2: a bit strange of friends.
- 34:10Speaker 14: Oh yeah, your question of whether it's worth it, I
- 34:13Speaker 14: suppose yes it is because I think I've been perceiving
- 34:16Speaker 14: that there's a great divide between the industry and everyone else,
- 34:20Speaker 14: or a hell of a lot of the population. Like,
- 34:22Speaker 14: for example, I wouldn't be allowed to talk to you
- 34:25Speaker 14: if I wanted to maintain my career, I couldn't come
- 34:27Speaker 14: on this show. I know people who are dating conservatives
- 34:31Speaker 14: who work in the music industry, and they keep their
- 34:33Speaker 14: relationship a secret because they're afraid of losing their job.
- 34:37Speaker 14: Their friends. Like, there's actually quite a bad sort of
- 34:41Speaker 14: all welling in. You know, you're forced to defriend people
- 34:45Speaker 14: if they have the wrong opinions different. You know, your
- 34:48Speaker 14: family sometimes turn against you. It's that kind of I
- 34:52Speaker 14: think it's really damaging to society and I wanted to
- 34:54Speaker 14: break out of it, from an industry that's captured by.
- 34:57Speaker 2: Well, you're liberated, Hailey, Mary, you you are liberated. Now
- 35:02Speaker 2: let me talk you dare speak.
- 35:06Speaker 14: It's very grateful that bill, the bill is the main.
- 35:09Speaker 2: I'm very grateful you came on the show, Hailey. I'm
- 35:12Speaker 2: very grateful and wish the best and let us know
- 35:15Speaker 2: what viewers can do to support your next career or
- 35:19Speaker 2: continue your career. Thank you so much for your time
- 35:23Speaker 2: after the break. All these wind turbines out bush, are
- 35:28Speaker 2: they really safe? With summer? Cunning Now? Wind farms are
- 35:36Speaker 2: usually sold to us are so wholy, so good that
- 35:40Speaker 2: problems with them swept under the carpet. This week, a
- 35:44Speaker 2: worker was killed at the Golden Planes wind farm in
- 35:47Speaker 2: Victoria when a giant blady was helping to install fell over.
- 35:50Speaker 2: And obviously that tragedy was a one off, an accident,
- 35:54Speaker 2: but then locals reminder reporters that serrated blade parts have
- 35:57Speaker 2: been flying off wind turbines and on to neighboring properties
- 36:01Speaker 2: are in this very same wind farm, and they've been
- 36:03Speaker 2: told to wear personal protective equipment within four hundred meters
- 36:06Speaker 2: of those turbines that I've been told that's been fixed
- 36:09Speaker 2: as well. But as we come to summer, I still
- 36:12Speaker 2: worry about something else, and not just that these wind
- 36:15Speaker 2: farms chop up birds. There's the fire risk now, one
- 36:20Speaker 2: of course, is that there's all these extra power lines
- 36:23Speaker 2: that we now need to join up all these wind
- 36:24Speaker 2: factories all around the countryside. Clashing wires are of course
- 36:29Speaker 2: the fire risk, and the more wires you have, there's
- 36:32Speaker 2: also the more risk that can be blown over, which
- 36:34Speaker 2: could trip the whole systems. Victoria found in February with
- 36:37Speaker 2: a massive blackout. But the fire risks from the wind
- 36:41Speaker 2: turbines themselves. We're told this risk is very low, but
- 36:45Speaker 2: with so many of them, a very low risk in
- 36:48Speaker 2: one turbine becomes too much for comfort. With a lot
- 36:52Speaker 2: important Victoria, one turbine burst into flames in February. There
- 36:55Speaker 2: was one in red Hill, South Australia, the course of
- 36:59Speaker 2: fire that costs more than two million dollars in Golden
- 37:03Speaker 2: last year New South Wales, another turbine caught far and
- 37:07Speaker 2: yet another at Cathedral Rocks that year, South Australia. The
- 37:11Speaker 2: second fire, by the way, at the same wind farm.
- 37:14Speaker 2: Joining me is electricity engineer Ben Beatty, host of the
- 37:17Speaker 2: Baseload Project podcast, talking about our energy system. Ben Bett, Yeah,
- 37:23Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. I must say
- 37:25Speaker 2: you're Baseload podcasts great listening. I wish you'd do it
- 37:31Speaker 2: more often. It's fantastic stuff. I know you've got a
- 37:33Speaker 2: full time job. At least four wind turbines in Australia
- 37:39Speaker 2: catching fire in less than two years, that sounds to
- 37:42Speaker 2: me like a real risk.
- 37:45Speaker 15: Yeah, it does. And thanks having on Andrew, and thanks
- 37:46Speaker 15: for the plug much appreciated. I wish I could do
- 37:48Speaker 15: it more often as well. But it's a hell of
- 37:50Speaker 15: a hobby to take on. So bearings in turbines is
- 37:54Speaker 15: going to be the main fault with the fires. When
- 37:59Speaker 15: you think about regular turbines, we have plenty of min Australia.
- 38:02Speaker 15: So these ground mounted turbines, they're in solid fixed foundations.
- 38:06Speaker 15: They have control systems that monitor vibration or temperature, bearing temperature,
- 38:10Speaker 15: the bearing position, and they use journal bearings where there's
- 38:13Speaker 15: no metal to metal contact. The shaft spins in an
- 38:15Speaker 15: oil film microns thick. So if you keep the oil clean,
- 38:18Speaker 15: the right temperature and pressure, that bearing will last decades,
- 38:22Speaker 15: like literally decades. But the the cell of a wind
- 38:25Speaker 15: turbine is not a stable platform inherently, certainly not stable
- 38:29Speaker 15: enough to use journal bearings. So these roller bearings, which
- 38:31Speaker 15: do have metal to metal contact by design, that creates
- 38:34Speaker 15: heat and the bearings wear, and that wear leaves metal
- 38:36Speaker 15: particles into oil, which increases the wear and the heat.
- 38:39Speaker 15: So that's basically the failure mechanism of a lot of
- 38:42Speaker 15: these things. And further, if you have a ground mounted machine,
- 38:45Speaker 15: it's easy to access and maintain the space for your
- 38:47Speaker 15: cool as it filters, back up, pumps, all the gear
- 38:50Speaker 15: required to keep it in tip top shape. But a
- 38:52Speaker 15: wind turbine is space constrained, it's weight constrained, it's difficult
- 38:56Speaker 15: and dangerous to access. So the guys who do the
- 38:58Speaker 15: maintenance up there in the air, however how many hundreds
- 39:02Speaker 15: of meters it is these days, they have to be
- 39:04Speaker 15: specially trained not only in gearboxes and bearings and electrical work,
- 39:07Speaker 15: but they all have to be specially trained as getting
- 39:09Speaker 15: up there. So it's no wonder that there's going to
- 39:12Speaker 15: be some failures. It's just a very tough environment for
- 39:16Speaker 15: bearings and things get hotened.
- 39:18Speaker 2: Of course for us, now this sounds says to me
- 39:22Speaker 2: like a real time bomb waiting in the very combustible bush,
- 39:26Speaker 2: and I think we may pay for it, and we
- 39:28Speaker 2: just don't hear enough. I mean, they're probably ways of
- 39:30Speaker 2: suppressing this, but we don't hear enough. By the way,
- 39:34Speaker 2: the latest you know, Nations Climate conference is on right now.
- 39:36Speaker 2: As you know, climate change means that crispone is going
- 39:39Speaker 2: with our money in his pocket, which is scare because China,
- 39:43Speaker 2: the world's biggest emitter, has just told the meeting that
- 39:47Speaker 2: developed countries like US should pay the rest of the world,
- 39:50Speaker 2: like China one point eight trillion dollars to help them
- 39:54Speaker 2: deal with climate change, which is no wonder then that
- 39:57Speaker 2: the Taliban terrorist regime has turned up at this conference
- 40:00Speaker 2: to yabber about the climate. Does this strike you as
- 40:03Speaker 2: the greatest scam out for third world countries?
- 40:07Speaker 15: Yeah, it seems a bit rich, doesn't it. I mean,
- 40:10Speaker 15: the people in Taliban controlled areas probably have a bit
- 40:13Speaker 15: more to worry about than what method of electricity they
- 40:17Speaker 15: get during the day and the night. I much prefer
- 40:21Speaker 15: to see someone like Matt Canavan Santa over to the
- 40:23Speaker 15: climate meetings. I think he'd make it a great impact.
- 40:28Speaker 2: Oh absolutely yes, why not instead of In fact, I've
- 40:33Speaker 2: got warning for you because Chris Bonne apparently is being
- 40:36Speaker 2: asked to be part of all these negotiations about where
- 40:40Speaker 2: money is going. So that's freaking me out. Ben Betti,
- 40:43Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time, great podcasts. Thank
- 40:45Speaker 2: you so much after the break. Why race politics is
- 40:50Speaker 2: a threat to democracy? We just had Maori politicians threaten
- 40:55Speaker 2: other MP's in New Zealand's parliament with a war dance
- 40:58Speaker 2: simply because they lost the vote. Now we're now seeing
- 41:05Speaker 2: how threatening the new vote politics really is today in
- 41:08Speaker 2: New Zealand's parliament that had to be closed down even
- 41:12Speaker 2: I mean the West. For centuries, we became rich and
- 41:16Speaker 2: free partly by preaching that we all have the same
- 41:19Speaker 2: rights everyone, and we resolve our differences by argument, reason
- 41:24Speaker 2: and then a vote that's now under threat by the
- 41:27Speaker 2: new identity politics that's dividing us into tribes and races,
- 41:31Speaker 2: and then that means arguments ultimately are settled by force.
- 41:37Speaker 2: In New Zealand, the Act, the Act Party part of
- 41:40Speaker 2: the coalition. It's pushing to change the woke way that
- 41:44Speaker 2: the Waitangi Treaty in eighteen forty between the British and
- 41:47Speaker 2: the Maried tribes, the way that treaty is now interpreted
- 41:51Speaker 2: in a way that you know, you get the seventy
- 41:54Speaker 2: percent of New Zealand as a Maori are increasingly given
- 41:58Speaker 2: an equal say to the eighty three who are not.
- 42:01Speaker 2: That's not democratic. And the ACT Party says, well, let's
- 42:03Speaker 2: get back to treating people equally regardless of race, and
- 42:06Speaker 2: a bill to do just that was put to Parliament
- 42:09Speaker 2: for a vote. And then we saw that identity politics
- 42:13Speaker 2: doesn't accept equal votes. Racemongers don't accept that. So a
- 42:18Speaker 2: minor Maori party in that parliament closed that parliament with
- 42:22Speaker 2: a harker a mariy war dance, with labor in Pas
- 42:25Speaker 2: joining in in this attack on democracy. Here's the politician
- 42:51Speaker 2: who screened out that harker claiming that this is the
- 42:54Speaker 2: only way she knows how to behave being.
- 42:56Speaker 16: You know, Mary, this is all that I know is
- 42:59Speaker 16: to be.
- 43:01Speaker 2: I mean, what nonsense? Spare me. The ACT leader David Semo,
- 43:05Speaker 2: who himself has mari ancestry, called out this tribal thuggery
- 43:09Speaker 2: for exactly what it was.
- 43:11Speaker 13: What I didn't hear in the debate today is a
- 43:14Speaker 13: logical reason to oppose the principles in the spell. That
- 43:17Speaker 13: is the real challenge for the people on the other side,
- 43:20Speaker 13: I think lacking good arguments that are behaving like.
- 43:23Speaker 2: That, joining me is the panel. There's James McPherson from
- 43:29Speaker 2: the late debate here in sky News and Evelyn ray
- 43:31Speaker 2: Farmer for a policewoman in sky News regular. I mean, James,
- 43:35Speaker 2: that's all she knows is this politician doing a war
- 43:39Speaker 2: dance rather than accept a vote. And I think this
- 43:43Speaker 2: is where race politic ultimately ends, right Your response.
- 43:48Speaker 11: Yeah, well, Andrew, this is what happens, sadly when you
- 43:50Speaker 11: allow a twenty two year old into parliament. She's more
- 43:53Speaker 11: suited to being an influencer on TikTok than a representative
- 43:57Speaker 11: in a democratic parliament. At best, you would call that
- 44:00Speaker 11: a temper tantrum, wearing a cloak of culture to disguise it,
- 44:05Speaker 11: but in reality it's a reminder of what's at stake
- 44:08Speaker 11: when you tear up the principle of equality, which she
- 44:11Speaker 11: literally did. We saw on the video there that she
- 44:14Speaker 11: took the bill that's under discussion, and she tore it
- 44:17Speaker 11: in half. When you do that, you end up with
- 44:20Speaker 11: rank tribalism. And so we saw there a war dance
- 44:24Speaker 11: which is designed to intimidate. Now, if intimidation doesn't work,
- 44:29Speaker 11: what have you got left? You've got violence. And that's
- 44:32Speaker 11: what the Brits lifted the Maoris out of into tribal violence,
- 44:37Speaker 11: to a society where we are all equal before the law,
- 44:40Speaker 11: and we all have a say and we work out
- 44:42Speaker 11: our differences by talking and debating principles, rather than resorting
- 44:48Speaker 11: to what we saw in the parliament. It was a disgrace.
- 44:51Speaker 11: And I tell you there are a lot of Maori people,
- 44:53Speaker 11: many of whom I know, who saw that and said
- 44:56Speaker 11: they were shocked and embarrassed by it. She does not
- 44:58Speaker 11: represent Maury's in New Zealand, who frankly were horrified at
- 45:04Speaker 11: what they saw, many of them.
- 45:07Speaker 2: I just wonder when they want to declare a race war,
- 45:10Speaker 2: do they realize that they're actually outnumbered? I mean, God forbid,
- 45:14Speaker 2: if it came to that they are actually desperately outnumbered,
- 45:16Speaker 2: what are they asking for? And Evelyn, can you imagine
- 45:19Speaker 2: the uproar if white politicians screamed a God in the
- 45:23Speaker 2: face of other politicians in parliament in an intimidating way,
- 45:29Speaker 2: God in the face of Aboriginal or Maori politicians.
- 45:33Speaker 16: Log Andrew, I can imagine it. Actually, I think all
- 45:36Speaker 16: of us can. Let's not forget what recently happened to
- 45:38Speaker 16: Pauline Hanson, and that wasn't even to an indigenous has
- 45:42Speaker 16: shame and she wasn't even yelling. So I think that
- 45:45Speaker 16: paint's a pretty accurate picture of what we could expect
- 45:48Speaker 16: if something like this was reciprocated and flipped on its head.
- 45:52Speaker 16: But you know, sadly, we have to live in a
- 45:54Speaker 16: country now where we're afraid to speak because of fear
- 45:57Speaker 16: of social consequences and now egal ones, and we have
- 46:01Speaker 16: to live with the fact that we've kind of invited
- 46:03Speaker 16: this into our country, into every aspect and sphere of
- 46:07Speaker 16: you know, how we live our lives. You know, if
- 46:09Speaker 16: we do not change this about our country and about
- 46:13Speaker 16: Western countries around the world, our children and our again
- 46:16Speaker 16: grandchildren are going to look back on this in their
- 46:18Speaker 16: history studies in school and they're going to be writing
- 46:20Speaker 16: essays about how we single handily destroyed the country because
- 46:24Speaker 16: we were afraid to be called a slur, a racist,
- 46:27Speaker 16: or a white supremacist or whatever else they want to
- 46:30Speaker 16: slap us with. And I think the only way that
- 46:32Speaker 16: we're going to get out of this hole that we've
- 46:34Speaker 16: put ourselves in is by saying enough is enough. You know,
- 46:37Speaker 16: we need really strong politicians who quite frankly, don't mind
- 46:41Speaker 16: wearing these you know, tired labels that they continue to
- 46:44Speaker 16: slap on us, who's you know, out of line to
- 46:47Speaker 16: the narrative. And we also need a public who can
- 46:49Speaker 16: really think for themselves and see through all of these
- 46:53Speaker 16: smear campaigns. And you know, Andrew, the sad part is,
- 46:56Speaker 16: if we can't do these two very simple things, we
- 46:59Speaker 16: are going to lose democracy. We are going to lose
- 47:02Speaker 16: a quality under the law, and in the end, our
- 47:04Speaker 16: children and our grandchildren will lose because.
- 47:07Speaker 2: Of that well said talk about out of touch, James.
- 47:12Speaker 2: Here is the new South Wales Housing Minister Rose Jackson today.
- 47:19Speaker 12: What do you reckon is a reasonable price to pay
- 47:22Speaker 12: in rent for a two bedroom flat in Sydney?
- 47:24Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I mean it kind of depends where in Sydney.
- 47:29Speaker 3: I mean, Sydney's a big city.
- 47:32Speaker 12: You know, I mean a couple one hundred bucks right, Like.
- 47:36Speaker 4: Where can you get a two bedroom flat for a
- 47:37Speaker 4: couple of hundred bucks?
- 47:39Speaker 3: Well a week?
- 47:39Speaker 12: I don't know there are places in Sydney Academy.
- 47:43Speaker 2: What does that tell you, James Andrew?
- 47:47Speaker 11: That tells me why we've got a housing crisis When
- 47:49Speaker 11: the Minister for Housing in the middle of a crisis
- 47:52Speaker 11: has no idea how bad the crisis is or what
- 47:55Speaker 11: real people are having to deal with, no wonder, there's
- 47:59Speaker 11: no end in sight to this. The median price for
- 48:02Speaker 11: renting a two bedroom apartment in Sydney is not a
- 48:05Speaker 11: couple hundred bucks, it's seven hundred and twenty dollars. Unfortunately,
- 48:10Speaker 11: the Minister is completely out of touch and no wonder
- 48:15Speaker 11: we've got problems when these are the people charged with
- 48:17Speaker 11: solving them.
- 48:20Speaker 2: Look, Evelyn, I've only got ten seconds for you. Sorry,
- 48:23Speaker 2: we ran out of time. What do you think I.
- 48:25Speaker 16: Think we need Trump's Department of Government Efficiency. We need
- 48:29Speaker 16: a mask and we need a VIVAC and maybe then
- 48:31Speaker 16: we'll happen us joyin government? Who can take care of us?
- 48:36Speaker 2: Gosh, my mind is boggling, Evelyn. I'm trying to think
- 48:39Speaker 2: of those great idea, But who have we got that
- 48:42Speaker 2: could do it Evan Ray Jameson firston, Thank you very
- 48:46Speaker 2: much to you both. That's it for me. Coming up
- 48:49Speaker 2: next Sherry Marks and goodnighte