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Black Widow denied bond & Cops: Mom leaves tots to die in hot car as ‘punishment’ · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Dahlia de Bolito was just sentenced for trying to hire
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Speaker 1: a hitman to kill her newly wet husband of former escort,
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Speaker 1: now in shackles. This crime is so heinous and so deplorable.
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Speaker 1: Dahlia on tape, hiring a hit man and to kill
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Speaker 1: her husband. You'll find out when you were acting in
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Speaker 1: those names. With police recording the whole thing, they pretended
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Speaker 1: the hit worked, staging an elaborate crime scene and telling
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Speaker 1: Dahlia her husband's Dahlia de Polito, the beautiful bride out
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Speaker 1: of Florida who finds her dream man, only to then
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Speaker 1: be accused by police of hiring a hit man to
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Speaker 1: kill him. That's where to bliss, I guess. Dahlia di
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Speaker 1: Polito has had not one, not too but three jury
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Speaker 1: trials of the taxpayer's expense bringing in a hired gun
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Speaker 1: all the way from California. Who is joining us right now.
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Speaker 1: It's Brian Claypool. Our friend and colleague are slippery friend
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Speaker 1: and colleague and the court room who has tried his
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Speaker 1: best to save Dahlia di Polito from claim she hired
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Speaker 1: hitman to kill her husband. KINDA hard to do when
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Speaker 1: she's caught on video, not just video and audio, but
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Speaker 1: witnesses to haggling with the hit man, who's really, of course,
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Speaker 1: an undercover cop, saying that she's what was it two thousand,
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Speaker 1: not just one, but mathematically and possibly one thousand or
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Speaker 1: two thousand percent sure she wants him dead. Now, hold on, Brian,
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Speaker 1: this is music to your ears. I'm sure, but let's
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Speaker 1: hear Dahlia di Polito is she's told in an undercover
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Speaker 1: sting which I love. Is also on video. I could
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Speaker 1: watch it all day. I could just loop it and
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Speaker 1: watch it. When cops say, ma'am, your husband has been
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Speaker 1: found dead, listen to this, I'm sorry, Ramsey, I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: not want to call you. Thank you for comen. I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry to call you. Listen. We had a report of
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Speaker 1: the disturbance at your house and there were shots fired.
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Speaker 1: Is your husband Michael? Okay, I'm sorry to tell you, mam,
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Speaker 1: he's been killed. He's been killed. Man, try to calm
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Speaker 1: down right now. We need to get we need to
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Speaker 1: get you to station. I can't let man. We have
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Speaker 1: to do our job. If you want to find this killer, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we need you to calm down. I need you to
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Speaker 1: go with these detectives. Okay. Is you have enemies? Is
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Speaker 1: there anyone that would want to hurt Okay, who would
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Speaker 1: want to hurt him? Witness? He said they saw a
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Speaker 1: blackmail running from you. I can't let you see him then, madam,
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Speaker 1: I cannot do this right now. Detective, I need you.
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Speaker 1: I need you to take her to the station. I
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Speaker 1: can't go with these detectives. If you want to help
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Speaker 1: your husband, okay, If you want to help your husband,
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Speaker 1: you need to go to the station with these gentlemen
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Speaker 1: and tell us everything you know about who he knows,
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Speaker 1: who he's connected to. Don't worry. We've already taken care
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Speaker 1: of dogs without well control for right. Know, everything's under control,
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Speaker 1: and we'll take care of everything else. Okay. Now, if
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Speaker 1: you could only see her, she bends over in half
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Speaker 1: and all the pain of learning her husband is dead.
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Speaker 1: After she hires the hitman to kill him. Little does
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Speaker 1: she know, the hitman rated her out and her husband
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Speaker 1: is alive and well waiting for her to get to
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Speaker 1: the police station. Now, let me understand something joining me
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Speaker 1: right now. Nanette Sosa, who is with NPR, Ninette, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. She's had three trials. What
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Speaker 1: were the various defenses at trial? In a nutshell, don't
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Speaker 1: bog me down with all the legal technicalities. What were
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Speaker 1: her defenses at trial? Ninette says. One of the defenses
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Speaker 1: was due to leniency because her attorney said that the
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Speaker 1: detectives in Florida basically railroaded her. And also the other
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Speaker 1: fact that he alleged and said that they were filming
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Speaker 1: a cops episode, So this was done for notoriety. So
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Speaker 1: those are a couple of things that were brought to
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Speaker 1: hold on. Let me let me follow up on what
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Speaker 1: Nnette Sosa is saying. One defense was that the show Cops,
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Speaker 1: you know, Bad Boys, Bad Boy, what you're gonna do?
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Speaker 1: That show it's incredibly popular, uh, and it shows cops
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Speaker 1: in real life making arrests and bust and tracking people
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Speaker 1: down in high speed chases. So they were coming to town.
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Speaker 1: One defense was, oh, the cops made the whole thing up,
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Speaker 1: as if they don't have enough crime, they made up
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Speaker 1: this crime so they could get on cops. Okay, that
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Speaker 1: was one defense. The second defense that I can recall
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Speaker 1: is that no, no, no, she wasn't really hiring a
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Speaker 1: hit man. This was just a script that she wanted
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Speaker 1: to be in a reality show, and she was pitching
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Speaker 1: this script as a reality show script, and she was
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Speaker 1: all acting and those were her quote lines. Okay. Brian Claypool,
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Speaker 1: who was actually want a lot of cases, guys, defended
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Speaker 1: Dahlia to Polito at trial and just got a real
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Speaker 1: blow because after her third conviction, right her third trial,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, she asked the judge for a bond and
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Speaker 1: was turned down. Wow. Can you imagine that the last
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Speaker 1: time they let her have house arrest where she could
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Speaker 1: only go to church in her lawyer's office, she ended
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Speaker 1: up pregnant. I don't know how that happened, but um,
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Speaker 1: of course the judge said, I want an appeal bond.
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Speaker 1: But what was her defense the third time around? Brian Claypool, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Let's remind your audience though in
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Speaker 1: the second retrial, I have came to hung jury, and
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Speaker 1: in fact, five out of eight jurs we have three
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Speaker 1: to three, and then both alternitors were in our in
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Speaker 1: our camp for an acquittal. So you alternate jurors don't
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Speaker 1: mean a fig. That doesn't even matter whether alter on
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Speaker 1: a fair playing field house is such a slam dunk.
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Speaker 1: If I, if I almost have cameed an acquittal on
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Speaker 1: the second trial, what happened in the third almost that's
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Speaker 1: like almost ringing a basket in a basketball game. Well, now,
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Speaker 1: you you said, what did you say, five to eight?
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Speaker 1: Five out of in the second trial, five out of
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Speaker 1: five out of Now are you including how many gars
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Speaker 1: were they were? There were six jurors and two alternatives, Well,
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Speaker 1: five out of eight, okay, so let's talk about the
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Speaker 1: actual gurars the six. What was the vote amongst the six? Well,
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Speaker 1: on the second trial, it was three to three. Oh,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't really sound like a slam dunk to me.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like right down the middle, right, So three
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Speaker 1: three right. But the whole world has portrayed this as
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Speaker 1: such as such a slam dunk. Just look at the
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Speaker 1: video tape and let's send her to prison for the
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Speaker 1: next twenty thirty years. But that's not that's not how
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Speaker 1: it unfolded. And okay, should I believe you are my
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Speaker 1: lying eyes because I saw the video about a hundred times.
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Speaker 1: But what most people are not aware of when they
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Speaker 1: followed this case is that the first phone call made
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Speaker 1: to the police department by a gentleman named Mohammed, who
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Speaker 1: was the confidential informant. His first phone call to the
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Speaker 1: police station was quite this is a quote. I think
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Speaker 1: this woman said either she's going to die or he's
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Speaker 1: going to die, and that there were some allegations of
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Speaker 1: domestic abuse the police depart our argument was Nancy in
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Speaker 1: a nutshell. The police department didn't do anything to investigate
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Speaker 1: the domestic abuse. They didn't look into whether she was suicidal.
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Speaker 1: They simply is she a hook? Her? Because apparently her
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Speaker 1: husband hired an quote escort and it was her. Is
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Speaker 1: that how they mett No, No, Nancy. They met the
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Speaker 1: same place you and I've been waiting for our coffee
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Speaker 1: days for years, he spurred me about a dozen times.
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Speaker 1: They met at the place I want to meet you
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Speaker 1: for our first get together, Starbucks, plain and simple, no
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Speaker 1: escort involved. I know that, and isn't it true? Speaking
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Speaker 1: of Starbucks, her husband says that she first tried to
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Speaker 1: poison him with some Starbucks chi t and that didn't work.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Starbucks. Well, thank you, because
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Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad you brought up because I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you are. That is going to be the sole reason
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Speaker 1: why this kid, this conviction will be reversed on appeal.
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Speaker 1: It was reversible air for the judge to allow the
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Speaker 1: jury to hear about this. This fantastic, salacious allegation unfounded
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Speaker 1: by the way, about Dahlia trying to kill Mike with
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Speaker 1: uh with anti freeze in the so what about her
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Speaker 1: on video hiring a hitman to kill her husband and
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Speaker 1: telling him where to go and what time to go
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Speaker 1: so she wouldn't be there? And um, speaking of her
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Speaker 1: being a hooker if you didn't know that already, advise
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Speaker 1: you to read the Brower Palm Beach New Times where
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Speaker 1: they actually go through texts that she has sent lining
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Speaker 1: up John's okay, go ahead, well the the the next
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Speaker 1: messages really in the third trial, these text messages did
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Speaker 1: nothing more then show that she was trying, allegedly trying
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Speaker 1: to have Mike charged with violating his probation there was
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Speaker 1: and that she did have a romantic relationship with the
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Speaker 1: Southern guy named Mike Stanley. What we argued was, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't prove that she was trying to kill Mike Depolito
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Speaker 1: because nothing in those text messages suggested that she had
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Speaker 1: wanted to uh to kill Mike Depolito. But by getting
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Speaker 1: back to your other question about the videotape, our whole
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Speaker 1: argument was that that the the the the undercover police
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Speaker 1: officer was the one that was initiating all the phone calls.
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Speaker 1: He was the one that was pushing this along. We're
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Speaker 1: not denying what's on the tap, but Dolly didn't didn't
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Speaker 1: pick up the phone Nancy and say, hey, hey, Mr
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Speaker 1: undercover guy. She didn't know he's undercover, but hey Mr
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Speaker 1: get Men, can you meet me at Denny's tomorrow so
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Speaker 1: we could set up a hit. She wasn't making the
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Speaker 1: phone calls. The police were, and that's what we tried
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Speaker 1: to impart to the jury. I just realized I was
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Speaker 1: completely wrong, Brian Claypole. I'm gonna have to admit I
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Speaker 1: was wrong on the facts because she didn't say that
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Speaker 1: she was two thousand percent sure she wanted her husband dad.
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Speaker 1: On video, she said quote she tells the undercover cop
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Speaker 1: on video, I'm five thousand percent sure I want my
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Speaker 1: husband dead. Five thousand Seriously, I thought you were going
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Speaker 1: to say you were wrong in the facts about being
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Speaker 1: a caramel machiato instead of the so you had to
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Speaker 1: bring up on camera, and that long story short. She
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Speaker 1: then gets taken to the jail house as part of
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Speaker 1: the sting. But see, she thinks she's going to Police
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Speaker 1: HQ because her husband has been found shot dead. So
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Speaker 1: she gets there and it's only later that she, while
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Speaker 1: like the police station, never says anything about guys, this
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Speaker 1: was just a script for a reality show. My husband
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Speaker 1: was was in on it, my friend was in on it.
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Speaker 1: The c I confidential informant was in on it. She
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Speaker 1: never said any of that. I mean, if I found
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Speaker 1: myself under questioning at Place headquarters on an attempted murder,
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Speaker 1: I would complain right then and there. She never said
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Speaker 1: a word that was only cooked up in front of
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Speaker 1: a jury. Now let me go to forensic psychiatrist Dr
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober. Dr Bober, so many people men mostly have
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Speaker 1: been taken in by Dahlia de Pilato, and I will
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Speaker 1: say she is beautiful. Her body looks like a model.
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Speaker 1: Let me just say she's a workout enthusiast and she's
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Speaker 1: very pretty and kind of an exotic way. Why is
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Speaker 1: it that so many people keep falling for her stories?
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Speaker 1: She she changes her story every time you turn around.
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Speaker 1: We see this a lot, Nancy. We see this in
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Speaker 1: Casey Anthony and Jodi Arius. People tend to find, for
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Speaker 1: some reason, attractive women are more credible. They don't want
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Speaker 1: to believe that they're capable of evil acts the same
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Speaker 1: way they do uh sort of people that are sort
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Speaker 1: of normal running the mill looking people. It's it's sort
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Speaker 1: of a it's a form of look is um and
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Speaker 1: it is an interesting phenomenon. You see it in politics,
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Speaker 1: you see it in all areas of life that people
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Speaker 1: that are judged to be more attractive are often get
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Speaker 1: cut a break or they get special favors for people.
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Speaker 1: Explain to me, Bryan Claypole, why after a conviction she
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Speaker 1: thought she should have a bond. Well, But the reason why,
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Speaker 1: Nancy is because remember remember in her first trial, she
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Speaker 1: was convicted because she adopted this reality show defense, and
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Speaker 1: after the conviction, the judge in that case did allow
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Speaker 1: Dahlia to be on house arrest. Wearing an ankle monitor.
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Speaker 1: So so so she is that the judge that called
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Speaker 1: her pure evil? Yeah, thats right, exactly right, so so
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Speaker 1: so so our argument, so I think about I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to answer your That fact alone was a platform for
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Speaker 1: us to argue in our recent brief. There was a
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Speaker 1: hearing about a week ago. We argued, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: why shouldn't she be granted bond pending appeal again? Because
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Speaker 1: two reasons the first judge allowed it. Number one, Number two,
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Speaker 1: she's been she's been a model inmate, Nancy for eight
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Speaker 1: plus years. She's not had a similar fraction while on
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Speaker 1: house arrest. One would think that if she was a
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Speaker 1: flight risk she would have tried to flee the country
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Speaker 1: while she was on house arrest, as opposed to being
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Speaker 1: in a concrete building trying to escape out of a
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Speaker 1: out of a you know, a maximum security prison. So
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Speaker 1: those are the arguments we're making. There's no evidence of
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Speaker 1: her being a flight risk. And Nancy, do you remember
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Speaker 1: can I ask can I ask you why your client
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Speaker 1: tried to convince her husband to put his town house
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Speaker 1: in her name only just before the Yeah, that's that's
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Speaker 1: a that's that's another misnomer. That that the public doesn't
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Speaker 1: know about the real evidence at trial. Well, I'm raiding
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Speaker 1: her text, real email. The trial was that we produced
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Speaker 1: an email. We produced. I cross examined Mike Dippolito. I
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Speaker 1: showed him an email between doubt to refresh his recollection.
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Speaker 1: It was an email between Doubt and my It was
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Speaker 1: between There was an email that that Mike had sent
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Speaker 1: to the real estate agent where he had given his
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Speaker 1: acquiescence to having the condo or the house townhouse refinanced.
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Speaker 1: So that proved that Mike did Palito was actually on
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Speaker 1: board with refinancing at home and keeping it in in
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Speaker 1: Dari's name. So there was no gun put to Mike's fadd.
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Speaker 1: Well what I'm reading or the text that she sent
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Speaker 1: to her lover. Uh. She is rejoicing in her text
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Speaker 1: after persuading her soon to be dead husband to put
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Speaker 1: their townhouse in her name only. But yet in another text,
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Speaker 1: she's complaining bitterly that when she learned she still couldn't
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Speaker 1: sell it without his signature. You know what, it ain't
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Speaker 1: over yet with Dahlia di Polito. But that's so. So
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Speaker 1: the bond that she had asked for was disallowed. What
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Speaker 1: happens now and that she's going to the big house stasickly,
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Speaker 1: she's just going to be in prison. She has uh
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Speaker 1: she's hoping to be reunited obviously with her sixteen month
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Speaker 1: old son, but that is not happening. It was a
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Speaker 1: twenty four page order that the judge gave and the
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Speaker 1: reason was, and I quote to be clear, the court
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Speaker 1: does not seek in any way to punish the defendant
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Speaker 1: for having a child. But the fact was the judge said,
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Speaker 1: escape with her child is a significant temptation and risk.
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Speaker 1: And let me add also, Nancy, that there was a
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Speaker 1: phone call that Dahlia made from jail to the father
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Speaker 1: of the child, Robert Davis, who by the way, lives
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Speaker 1: with her mom and the child, and she was talking
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Speaker 1: with him about this uh prison escaped by a convict
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Speaker 1: in South Carolina, and she was describing how everybody was
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Speaker 1: pumped up, you know when they heard about the breakout. Now,
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Speaker 1: and you have her attorney there that he argued that
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Speaker 1: he she wouldn't. It just wasn't a smart call, basically,
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Speaker 1: but you know the call that that happens, but she
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Speaker 1: would never think to make an escape. Brian Claypool, You've
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Speaker 1: won so many cases, but and I hate to bid
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Speaker 1: a due to you in this cold manner, but just
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Speaker 1: to refresh your recollection using your words, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to your client, Dhlia to Polito. Right now we need
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Speaker 1: to we need to get Two toddlers are dead. Two
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Speaker 1: toddlers taughts die. One of the most unimaginable deaths. You
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Speaker 1: can't imagine burning, literally baking in scorching heat. I mean, see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I want justice. It's one thing to forget, as bad
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Speaker 1: as that may be, to forget your child is in
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Speaker 1: the car. It's one thing to forget. But this mom
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Speaker 1: sent the MRI. Randolph Cindy recounted to investigators a mother's nightmare.
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Speaker 1: She had been folding laundry and watching TV while her
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Speaker 1: son and daughter, ages two and sixteen months, played in
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Speaker 1: a sunroom on the back porch. She went to check
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Speaker 1: on them in half an hour, but they were gone.
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Speaker 1: I'm using air quotees on that gone, she said. After
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Speaker 1: a half hour of searching, now we've got an hour gone.
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Speaker 1: By TikTok, TikTok. She finally found their bodies unresponsive inside
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Speaker 1: her Honda Cross to her part in the driveway. It
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Speaker 1: was hot, hot in Weatherford, Texas. It was ninety six
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Speaker 1: degrees outside the car. It sounds like a tragic mistake, right, No,
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Speaker 1: we now out learn that monster mom put the tots
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Speaker 1: in the hot car. To quote, teach them a lesson.
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Speaker 1: Teach them a lesson? What joining me? Crime Stories contributor
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Paul Chambers, What happened Nancy? Year old Cynthia
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Speaker 1: Randolph has had several stories that she told police since
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Speaker 1: the incident happened on make do you say? Whoa? Whoa? Sorry? Paul?
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Speaker 1: Did you say? She has told several different stories? Oh?
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Speaker 1: You know you couldn't have made me happier. Paul Brian Claypool,
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Speaker 1: defense attorney out of l A is with me and
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Speaker 1: special guest Dr. Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. Guys, please make
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Speaker 1: a note of what Paul just said, different stories. I'm
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Speaker 1: making it out of a jackie. Make a note. Alan,
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Speaker 1: you have a cup of coffee. Go ahead, Paul Chambers
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Speaker 1: back to you, all right. And her two children, two
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Speaker 1: year old Juliette Ramirez in sixteen month old Kabitall Ramirez
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Speaker 1: were the victims and they were both inside the car
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Speaker 1: outside her residence. The two year old, apparently, according to
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Speaker 1: her testimony for her interview with the Texas Rangers, uh,
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Speaker 1: the two year old refused to come out of the car,
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Speaker 1: so she locked the two kids in the car, as
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Speaker 1: you said, Nancy, to teach them a lesson. She went
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Speaker 1: inside according to her own right, is this the two
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Speaker 1: year old or the sixteen year old? I mean, excuse me,
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Speaker 1: the sixteen month old. They've got two tots in the car.
21:35
Speaker 1: Was the sixteen month old or the two year old?
21:37
Speaker 1: This was the two year old that was giving the
21:39
Speaker 1: mother problems and she refused to come out of the car.
21:44
Speaker 1: She uh. So the mother left them both in the car,
21:48
Speaker 1: went inside, and according to her interview with the Texas
21:52
Speaker 1: Rangers that's in the arrest warrant. She smoked marijuana and
21:58
Speaker 1: then took a nap for two to three three hours.
22:01
Speaker 1: Got up, started to look for the children, went out
22:05
Speaker 1: to the car, saw them lying unresponsive. Juliette. The two
22:10
Speaker 1: year old was in the driver's seat. The toddler, the
22:13
Speaker 1: boy Kavanaugh, was in the floorboard of the car. She
22:18
Speaker 1: uh took them out of the car, brought them into
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Speaker 1: the kitchen, laid them out on a table, then She
22:23
Speaker 1: went back out to the car, got her cell phone,
22:26
Speaker 1: which had run out of gas, and brought the cell
22:30
Speaker 1: phone inside, plugged it into a charger, called the medics. Survived.
22:36
Speaker 1: It was too late. The paramedics declared that the kids
22:41
Speaker 1: were dead at the scene. Hold on, wait a minute,
22:43
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you're I'm like drinking out of a
22:45
Speaker 1: fire hydrant. I can't take it all in. Hold on,
22:47
Speaker 1: coming fast and furious. We are talking about what looks
22:50
Speaker 1: to be a soccer mom. She looks like one of
22:53
Speaker 1: those uh, Brian Claypool. You and Alan are living the
22:57
Speaker 1: life out in l A, the Hollywood area. Alan, you
23:01
Speaker 1: know those headed uh they're the new Kardashians, those hadded sisters.
23:08
Speaker 1: This one right here that we're talking about that killed
23:11
Speaker 1: her children looks like one of had D girls. She's
23:14
Speaker 1: all like kind of like blonde ish with um perfectly
23:18
Speaker 1: done dark eyebrows. She's she looks like hadded model slash
23:25
Speaker 1: soccer mom. She's not gonna look too good in leg
23:28
Speaker 1: i or as I can tell you that, Claypool. So
23:31
Speaker 1: this woman, let me understand what you were just saying,
23:34
Speaker 1: Paul Chambers. So she's got a two year old Juliette
23:39
Speaker 1: and she's got the sixty month old little boy Kavanaugh.
23:42
Speaker 1: You know, Mama, how much I'd love to have two
23:44
Speaker 1: more children, how much I would love to how many
23:47
Speaker 1: people in this country would want to have these two
23:50
Speaker 1: little babies. So, you know a lot of times on
23:53
Speaker 1: the way home to Dr Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists joining
23:56
Speaker 1: me out of Florida. Dr Bober, again, thank you for
23:58
Speaker 1: being with us, um Dr Bober. So many times when
24:02
Speaker 1: I pick up the children from school, we'll be having
24:05
Speaker 1: such a good time in the car. We leave the
24:09
Speaker 1: minivan running and we just sit in the car before
24:13
Speaker 1: we come in and we keep talking and we're eating
24:16
Speaker 1: snacks and we're having a good time. I mean the
24:18
Speaker 1: car can we have a good time in there? And
24:22
Speaker 1: the children love being in cars with um my little nephew.
24:27
Speaker 1: We would go sit in the car in my parents
24:30
Speaker 1: garage and we would pretend we were driving to Savannah,
24:34
Speaker 1: where he was born, and he would in my my
24:36
Speaker 1: parents car and we would stay out in the car
24:39
Speaker 1: in the garage for like two hours, quote driving to Savannah,
24:42
Speaker 1: and he would be driving and I would be in
24:44
Speaker 1: the back seat. Okay, And just haven't children love the
24:47
Speaker 1: security that feeling of being in the car and going somewhere.
24:52
Speaker 1: What happened to her? Why do you have to get
24:54
Speaker 1: all bent up about them not wanting to get out
24:56
Speaker 1: of the car. Well, you know, Nancy, and you need
24:58
Speaker 1: a license to drive a car, but only need a
25:00
Speaker 1: license to be a parent. And thirty over thirty six
25:03
Speaker 1: kids die a year in hot cars. But this is
25:06
Speaker 1: something very different. I mean, this was clearly intentional, um,
25:09
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's just a shame that these kids,
25:12
Speaker 1: who are completely helpless and defenseless, had a mother like
25:15
Speaker 1: this who completely, you know, shirked her duties as a parent.
25:20
Speaker 1: It's horrible. Well, I think it's more than that, Dr Bober.
25:23
Speaker 1: You know I've noticed, Dr Bober. I'm not sure this
25:26
Speaker 1: is just anecdotal, but it seems to me. I haven't
25:29
Speaker 1: done any statistical study on you, Dr Daniel Bober, but
25:32
Speaker 1: it seems to me that every time it's a good
25:34
Speaker 1: looking woman, it kind of you said, shirk her responsibilities.
25:38
Speaker 1: Because Brian Claypool, defense attorney out of the l A jurisdiction,
25:43
Speaker 1: she didn't just shirk her responsibility, She actively intentionally locked
25:49
Speaker 1: them in the car and left them. The little two
25:52
Speaker 1: year old girl, Juliette, even climbing up into her mom's
25:55
Speaker 1: driver's seat trying to get them out of the car.
25:58
Speaker 1: She had crawled up there trying to get out of
26:02
Speaker 1: the car, and they died of heat stroke. You know
26:05
Speaker 1: how awful that is, Brian Claypole, what your body goes
26:09
Speaker 1: through a lot of people just claw claw at themselves.
26:13
Speaker 1: They're so hot, they vomit, they defecate. It's horrible. It's
26:18
Speaker 1: a horrible way to die. Nancy, you weren't. You weren't
26:21
Speaker 1: suggesting that because she's an attractive woman, that that I'm
26:24
Speaker 1: representing Dali di Pilito is also an attractive woman. You
26:27
Speaker 1: eatn't Was that just a slipper? You didn't mean that intentional.
26:30
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that was even a question.
26:32
Speaker 1: Dahlia di Polito is not attractive to me. She is
26:35
Speaker 1: a would be killer, and when she gets out of jail,
26:38
Speaker 1: which she will, she'll probably kill somebody. If I were
26:40
Speaker 1: you to stay away from her, and whatever you do,
26:42
Speaker 1: don't drink anything she gives you. Okay, forget that diet coke. Alright,
26:46
Speaker 1: but that's a whole another can of worms. I want
26:48
Speaker 1: to talk about her, but I also don't find attractive
26:51
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, but let's she is very beautiful. But
26:53
Speaker 1: let's put aside the beauty in both. When I look
26:56
Speaker 1: at her, I just want to snap a little nose
26:57
Speaker 1: off her face. I just want to twist it right off.
27:00
Speaker 1: But have you seen the pictures of her children. They're gorgeous,
27:05
Speaker 1: you know, but sadly now they're in heaven. Clay Pool.
27:08
Speaker 1: Let me get you back in the middle of the road.
27:10
Speaker 1: This wasn't an accident that Bober was trying to talk about.
27:14
Speaker 1: The thirty six children die in a hot car every year. Uhuh,
27:17
Speaker 1: Mommy put them out there and left them locked in
27:20
Speaker 1: the car with the windows up. This was clearly a
27:22
Speaker 1: different situation, Nancy. This was obviously cold blood and intentional.
27:26
Speaker 1: But yes, I agree, it's more than her shirking her responsibilities.
27:29
Speaker 1: She intentionally murdered them. Yeah, I don't think I don't
27:32
Speaker 1: think it's I don't think it's so simple, Daniel. Bober
27:34
Speaker 1: is coming around so simple, Daniel and Nancy in Texas.
27:38
Speaker 1: In order for her to be convicted of the first
27:40
Speaker 1: degree felony, she has to, as you said, knowingly and
27:43
Speaker 1: intentionally done this. Now, if I'm representing her, the defense
27:48
Speaker 1: you make is her mental state, if if if she
27:51
Speaker 1: I think, I think Alan had mentioned her having smoked
27:55
Speaker 1: marijuana has occurred. Yeah, but that's but that's but that's
28:03
Speaker 1: but that's but that's voluntary intoxication. She chose to smoke pot,
28:07
Speaker 1: So that's voluntary intoxication. That's not some medicine the doctor gave.
28:10
Speaker 1: But she made the decision to smoke pot. Number one,
28:12
Speaker 1: number two, she said, I'm going to teach them a lesson,
28:15
Speaker 1: So clearly this was to punish them. That actually, Daniel,
28:19
Speaker 1: that actually supports my argument. If she's saying I want
28:22
Speaker 1: to teach them a lesson, that means that she's had
28:24
Speaker 1: some some ongoing issues with her children. It might have
28:28
Speaker 1: affected her mental mental stage to a point where she snapped.
28:32
Speaker 1: So this wasn't an operation. Wait a minute, wait wait
28:34
Speaker 1: wait wait wait, wait time out, wait a minute. Is
28:39
Speaker 1: that I have not had diminished capacity, not with my children,
28:44
Speaker 1: maybe with my husband. But wait a minute, just because
28:47
Speaker 1: your child won't do what you tell it to do,
28:50
Speaker 1: when you say that she snapped, what she did was
28:52
Speaker 1: walk in the house, get high and take a nap,
28:55
Speaker 1: Probably had a little snack, probably got a case. Never
28:59
Speaker 1: heard of this self defense? Did you ever? Have you
29:00
Speaker 1: ever heard of self defense? It's called I'm too young
29:03
Speaker 1: to be a mom self defense? Have you heard of
29:07
Speaker 1: that now? And I wish you'd tried that in front
29:08
Speaker 1: of a jury. That's what's going on here. This woman
29:11
Speaker 1: is overwhelmed. I'm not making an excuse, and but let's
29:14
Speaker 1: be clear, I'm not making an excuse for what happened.
29:17
Speaker 1: My job is, is this first degree felony a child
29:24
Speaker 1: in child uh? Endangerm with murder? Or is it? Or
29:28
Speaker 1: is enganger with thank you? Or is it second degree?
29:31
Speaker 1: Second degree is where the mom doesn't intend to do it.
29:34
Speaker 1: My argument is because she has diminished capacity which engaged
29:37
Speaker 1: for your for your audiences, Brian, because she's high on weed.
29:43
Speaker 1: Marijuana is not gonna fly. That's what I'm saying. She's
29:47
Speaker 1: high on weed because she's having trouble. She can't handle
29:52
Speaker 1: being a parent of two young kids as a young woman. Okay, guys,
29:56
Speaker 1: hold on, let me go back to Paul Chambers. Paul Chambers,
30:00
Speaker 1: I think we can exclude the mommy is a pothead?
30:04
Speaker 1: Defense Number one voluntary use of drugs or alcoholis Daniel
30:09
Speaker 1: Bober has said it's not a defense, but more important
30:14
Speaker 1: than the law is the fact she made the decision
30:18
Speaker 1: I'm going to teach them a lesson and locked them
30:20
Speaker 1: in the car and went inside before she choked up.
30:23
Speaker 1: So the whole being high on pot thing happened after
30:28
Speaker 1: she made the conscious decision, So that would not serve
30:31
Speaker 1: as a defense under any legal framework. Isn't that the
30:35
Speaker 1: way the facts unfolded as we know them now, Paul Chambers. Well,
30:39
Speaker 1: according to that interview that she gave the Texas Rangers,
30:42
Speaker 1: she smoked marijuana after she made the decision to leave
30:45
Speaker 1: the kids in a locked car. So, yes, Paul Chambers,
30:49
Speaker 1: I want to get back to the different stories. You
30:52
Speaker 1: are intimately familiar with the facts. What were this mom's
30:55
Speaker 1: different stories as her children literally baked did in her car? Well,
31:02
Speaker 1: one of the versions that she allegedly told investigators is
31:06
Speaker 1: that the kids were playing, they got into the car
31:10
Speaker 1: and locked themselves in, and according to the prosecutor in
31:15
Speaker 1: Parker County, she broke out a window. She admitted to
31:20
Speaker 1: breaking a window uh into the Honda vehicle to get
31:24
Speaker 1: the kids out like it was a rescued and uh.
31:28
Speaker 1: And she apparently admitted to the investigator that she intentionally
31:32
Speaker 1: broke the window to corroborate her own story. So that's
31:36
Speaker 1: one that's one of the versions that she gave investigators initially.
31:41
Speaker 1: The one they're going with the arrest warrant, of course,
31:43
Speaker 1: is is the one that we've been talking about where
31:45
Speaker 1: she left them in the car and then went in
31:47
Speaker 1: and had pot. So, Alan, do you joining me out
31:51
Speaker 1: of l A Alan? It's about nineties six outside the
31:54
Speaker 1: car and inside the car. I would assume it's about
31:58
Speaker 1: a hundred one two degree he's inside the car. Yeah,
32:01
Speaker 1: it it heats up really really quick. And if we're
32:03
Speaker 1: talking about Texas, I mean it is hot there and
32:07
Speaker 1: Texas in the summer, is it's like l H double two. Kids,
32:11
Speaker 1: you're talking about a twenty degree increase in ten minutes?
32:14
Speaker 1: Is that? Dr bober YEP, twenty degrees increase in ten minutes.
32:18
Speaker 1: So then we're talking about a hundred and fifteen to
32:21
Speaker 1: eighteen degrees inside the car. I mean, I don't even
32:23
Speaker 1: know you know what, Dr bober I should have asked
32:26
Speaker 1: you that to start with, you're a psychiatrist. It means
32:29
Speaker 1: you had to go to med school to start with
32:31
Speaker 1: what happens during a heat stroke? I mean everything you've
32:34
Speaker 1: said before, I mean total dehydration. Body temperature rises in children,
32:38
Speaker 1: their physiology is different than adults. Their body temperature can
32:42
Speaker 1: increase three it's five times faster than in an adult.
32:45
Speaker 1: So kids are particularly vulnerable to the effects of extreme temperatures.
32:50
Speaker 1: So it's really a horrific, awful death that child experience.
32:53
Speaker 1: You know, I really learned a lot about it, you know,
32:56
Speaker 1: from a lay person's point of view anyway, And I
32:58
Speaker 1: like you a medical octor. When we did uh baby
33:02
Speaker 1: Cooper's death, the dad justin Ross Harris was convicted a
33:08
Speaker 1: murder one um by leaving leaving intentionally leaving baby Cooper
33:13
Speaker 1: in the car so he could be with other women
33:15
Speaker 1: and live a single life. That's when I learned what
33:19
Speaker 1: I do know about heat stroke, what brings on a
33:23
Speaker 1: heat stroke, because a friend of ours, boss, had been
33:29
Speaker 1: out playing tennis, came in, she took a shower and
33:33
Speaker 1: had a heat stroke in the shower. That was several
33:36
Speaker 1: years ago, and she's still I think paralyzed on one
33:39
Speaker 1: side of her body, right, So she experienced a permanent
33:44
Speaker 1: neurological their current permanent neurological injury from her body heating
33:48
Speaker 1: up and lack of oxygen to the brain, which can happen.
33:51
Speaker 1: There's your body has several mechanisms to regular temperature, including
33:54
Speaker 1: you know, vasodilation and sweating, which is but once those
33:59
Speaker 1: mechanisms become overwhelmed that your body temperature increases, there are
34:03
Speaker 1: several irreversible injuries that occur due to the accessition. So
34:06
Speaker 1: not only that, Brian Claypool, hold on Paul Chambers once
34:11
Speaker 1: and Paul, what are the charges right now? And where
34:14
Speaker 1: is she? Well, she's been in the Parker County jail
34:17
Speaker 1: since June. The incident occurred May. The grandjury indictment came
34:23
Speaker 1: last week and the medical examiner made their ruling earlier
34:27
Speaker 1: this month that the deaths were homicides and that, uh
34:31
Speaker 1: the so she is remains on in jail on the
34:38
Speaker 1: first degree felony injury to a child charges and uh
34:42
Speaker 1: there is a bond set of two hundred thousand dollars
34:45
Speaker 1: in each case. She has a public defender according to reports,
34:51
Speaker 1: and so she's just doing time right now in the
34:54
Speaker 1: Parker County jail. I'm now getting reports right now. The
34:57
Speaker 1: temperatures went up to around a hundred agrees that day,
35:01
Speaker 1: and according to Dr Bober in the car. It would
35:04
Speaker 1: have been a hundred and twenty degrees. Washington Township, Pennsylvania.
35:09
Speaker 1: A woman places a Craigslist ad for a hit man,
35:16
Speaker 1: a hit man, and you think you're not gonna get
35:18
Speaker 1: caught posting it on Craigslist. Let me go out to
35:22
Speaker 1: our special guest joining us right now, senior crime reporter
35:25
Speaker 1: at huff Post. You know him. Well, everybody reads off post,
35:29
Speaker 1: David Lord, thank you for being with us. Sadly, there's
35:31
Speaker 1: never a lack of business. Would you agree at least
35:34
Speaker 1: with that, never a lack of business? That that's certainly true. Nancy.
35:38
Speaker 1: What did the ad say? Well, Dad said, you know,
35:41
Speaker 1: I'm scared to death of this man. I moved on
35:44
Speaker 1: with my life, and you know he's been threatening me,
35:47
Speaker 1: causing me problems. And she was asking for someone if
35:49
Speaker 1: they could beat the crap out of him or possibly
35:51
Speaker 1: kill him. WHOA Now, how common is something like that
35:55
Speaker 1: to pop up on Craigslist? All right? You know what,
35:58
Speaker 1: in the twenty some years I've been doing this, I
36:00
Speaker 1: can't think of anyone using Craigslist for a hitman. We
36:04
Speaker 1: know Craigslist has been um in the middle of a
36:07
Speaker 1: lot of crimes and a lot of murders and a
36:10
Speaker 1: lot of setups on robberies, carjackings, for instance, placing an
36:14
Speaker 1: ad for a car to sell a car on Craigslist,
36:17
Speaker 1: the person shows up, they get carjacked, they get shot,
36:20
Speaker 1: they get robbed. I've reported on several of those and more.
36:25
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, there's the Craigslist killer. We all
36:27
Speaker 1: know about that one. But this one very very unusual
36:32
Speaker 1: because what happened is the woman actually is so brazen
36:37
Speaker 1: she places an ad for a hit man. It's there
36:40
Speaker 1: in Washington Township where this wife goes on Craigslist to
36:45
Speaker 1: find a hitman. Let's talk about what really happened. Who
36:50
Speaker 1: was actually behind the Craigslist advertisement, David lore Well, according
36:55
Speaker 1: to police, it was the strange husband, thirty year old
36:59
Speaker 1: Christian coach uh is who they've identified, and he actually
37:03
Speaker 1: was the individual who went to police to complain about
37:05
Speaker 1: the ad in the first place. Well, White, what now,
37:08
Speaker 1: So what are you telling me that he places the
37:10
Speaker 1: ad posing as his estranged wife to kill himself and
37:16
Speaker 1: then he walks in the police station complaining that his
37:19
Speaker 1: wife's trying to have him killed. What an idiot? Oh yeah,
37:22
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what he did. Nancy Okay, So he
37:27
Speaker 1: goes to the police station and complains, look at this
37:30
Speaker 1: Craigslist ad. So he's trying to frame her with police
37:35
Speaker 1: get her put in jail. Huh. So how did police
37:39
Speaker 1: figure out she didn't place the Craigslist ad. Well, from
37:44
Speaker 1: the onset, it did kind of point at her because
37:46
Speaker 1: the authority said it was in fact, her email address
37:49
Speaker 1: that was used in the post was created in the
37:52
Speaker 1: Waynesboro area. So what they did is they went to
37:54
Speaker 1: talk to her. They said she just totally flipped out,
37:58
Speaker 1: started crying, said she couldn't leave, he would do this
38:00
Speaker 1: to her. And so as police dug into it a
38:03
Speaker 1: little more, they found out that, you know, in order
38:06
Speaker 1: to post a message to Craigslist, you have to get
38:08
Speaker 1: a text verification. Well, he screwed up when he used
38:12
Speaker 1: his own cell phone number to do that text verification. Okay, wait,
38:15
Speaker 1: whit whit? What? What? Hold on? Hold on? What are
38:17
Speaker 1: you saying about a text verification? How did he screw up? Well,
38:20
Speaker 1: when you post an ad to Craigslist, they ask you
38:23
Speaker 1: for a cell phone number where they can send you
38:25
Speaker 1: a text message and then you would write into confirmation
38:27
Speaker 1: code and this is how they try to do away
38:29
Speaker 1: with a lot of the scammers and spamming that happens
38:32
Speaker 1: on the website, and he had used his cell phone
38:35
Speaker 1: to send that verification. Okay, I've never placed a Craigslist
38:38
Speaker 1: ad yet or how to hit man to kill my
38:41
Speaker 1: husband yet, so this is all Greek to me. So
38:45
Speaker 1: you're saying, when you place a Craigslist ad, they verify
38:50
Speaker 1: it back to you. Is that what you're saying? Yes, correct,
38:53
Speaker 1: you have to give them a cell phone number. And
38:55
Speaker 1: you know that the ad wasn't just asking someone to
38:58
Speaker 1: do them a favor. Was also us saying that the
39:01
Speaker 1: individual who did this could be entitled do insurance money?
39:03
Speaker 1: What what? What kind of insurance money are we talking about?
39:06
Speaker 1: I didn't know the insurance money aspect. Yeah, there, you
39:09
Speaker 1: know obviously you know if there was life insurance, I
39:11
Speaker 1: assume on this gentleman, that's what they were going to
39:14
Speaker 1: get over give to the person who was to commit
39:16
Speaker 1: the crime. And you know, obviously we know at this
39:19
Speaker 1: point that he did that himself, but this was just
39:21
Speaker 1: his way of adding another level to it to try
39:24
Speaker 1: to show that his wife had done level, to show
39:27
Speaker 1: his wife had done it. So then with all armed
39:30
Speaker 1: with all of this, they go and they confront the woman.
39:34
Speaker 1: They're in the little township. She nuts up. So what
39:38
Speaker 1: leads them to investigate and figure out that it's not her?
39:42
Speaker 1: What was her demeanor? She acted genuinely and I mean
39:46
Speaker 1: what made them suspect it wasn't for real? Well, you know,
39:49
Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind too that this guy
39:51
Speaker 1: had has a prior criminal record, So this, you know,
39:54
Speaker 1: and she she's apparently had issues with him in the
39:57
Speaker 1: past to the point where she's taken her kids and
40:00
Speaker 1: placed them somewhere else. Is what she had told police. Okay,
40:05
Speaker 1: that's pretty persuasive for me. That is very persuasive for me.
40:09
Speaker 1: So here you've got him with a criminal record, and
40:12
Speaker 1: her I assume pure as the driven snow and she's
40:16
Speaker 1: actually had two Are you saying take the children and
40:18
Speaker 1: hide them? Is that what? That's what she told police?
40:20
Speaker 1: WHOA So the whole thing starts out as a from
40:25
Speaker 1: what I understand, a domestic violence incident. Wasn't he already
40:29
Speaker 1: on probation as you're saying for domestic violence? He was
40:31
Speaker 1: on probation for an assault. The court documents that I've
40:35
Speaker 1: seen don't don't go into how he obtained that charge.
40:38
Speaker 1: But what we know is an assault. So he's already
40:41
Speaker 1: on probation, and then he marches in and complains his
40:44
Speaker 1: wife's trying to kill him. Okay, so there are children involved.
40:48
Speaker 1: That's another fact I didn't know. So here's the guy
40:51
Speaker 1: who creates a Craigslist ad for his own murder, all
40:55
Speaker 1: in an attempt to frame his estranged wife. Now I
40:59
Speaker 1: understand ei there is strange. I get it if. I
41:02
Speaker 1: mean if we and you and I David Lor Senior,
41:05
Speaker 1: Crime reported with huff Post, are sitting here talking about it,
41:08
Speaker 1: and we're a thousand miles away from this guy, no
41:10
Speaker 1: telling what This woman has endured in her marriage and
41:14
Speaker 1: has actually given birth to this guy's kids. So what
41:17
Speaker 1: do we know about him other than he has a
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Speaker 1: criminal history. That's kind of not surprising me, David Lore.
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Speaker 1: He's only thirty. He's only thirty, Yeah, exactly, Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: What else do we know about this guy? You know?
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Speaker 1: We we know they've spent some sort of a history
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Speaker 1: of troubled relationship between he and his wife, and certainly
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Speaker 1: putting perfume on the pig a troubled relationship. To me,
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Speaker 1: that sounds like you forgotten to buy an anniversary card.
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Speaker 1: This is a lot more David Lore, you married? Okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: I would say troubled relationship. You know, he may have
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Speaker 1: a spat here and there. I think this goes way
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Speaker 1: beyond a troubled relationship. David Lor Hey, I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: check Craig's. Listen. See, there's a hit out on David
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Speaker 1: Lore on Craigsby. So a probabled relationship, as you so
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Speaker 1: euphemistically refer to it. Go ahead. What else do we know? Well,
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Speaker 1: like I said, we know they had a troubled relationship,
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Speaker 1: and one of the things he complained to police about
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Speaker 1: was that they never listened to him. They never take
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Speaker 1: his side, and you know, so that's what prompted him
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Speaker 1: to take this action. Never listened to me. Yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: not talking to his family's talking to police. You never
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Speaker 1: listen to me. Listen to this, David Lord huff Post.
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Speaker 1: So he marches into the police station with his you
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Speaker 1: told us a picture of the ad that he's so
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Speaker 1: conveniently provided for them. But he also says a friend
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Speaker 1: told him there's a price on his head. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: makes up a friend, his imaginary friend, who tells him
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Speaker 1: about the ad for a hit man. Okay, so could
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Speaker 1: they confirm the pretend friend. The pretend friend is not
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Speaker 1: referenced in the court documents, so I think it's unlikely
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Speaker 1: that he exists. David, I think we need a shrink
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Speaker 1: on this, and one won't work. We need to hold
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Speaker 1: team from Vienna. Because the ad is written from a
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Speaker 1: woman's perspective. It talks about needing someone to quote do
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Speaker 1: a job about her marriage, makes other allegations about him.
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Speaker 1: Quote I'm scared to death of this man, and I've
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Speaker 1: already moved on and dot dot dot someone else. What
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for is someone to either beat the complete
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Speaker 1: crap out of my husband were separated hint hint, I'm single,
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Speaker 1: or kill him. The ad further states if the man died,
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Speaker 1: the writer would use an insurance policy to pay the hitman.
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Speaker 1: The alleged author claims not only was this request for
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Speaker 1: her own well being, but for the safety of her children. Oh,
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Speaker 1: she's so noble. It's not even her, it's him. And
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Speaker 1: it ends with the writer giving a phone number to
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Speaker 1: call and the best time to contact the wife. He
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Speaker 1: gives his wife's phone number, So then I guess David
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Speaker 1: Lor from huff Post Police then try to get info
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Speaker 1: about the add from Chris egslist, and that's the info
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Speaker 1: that showed the email address used to create the ad
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Speaker 1: was the wife's email. So he actually hacks into her
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Speaker 1: email to do this. It appears so nancy. They said
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Speaker 1: it was made using her email address. And you know
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Speaker 1: he went so far as when he told police about this,
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Speaker 1: Uh he said, quote, I'm wrecked, and uh, I know
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Speaker 1: that she's going to blame this entire thing on me.
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Speaker 1: Talk about a confession. I'm wrecked. She's gonna blame this somebody.
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Speaker 1: Why didn't even go to police? But I guess that
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Speaker 1: was part of his scheme. But he needs to also
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Speaker 1: be charged with hacking into her computer? Freak. Do we
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Speaker 1: know if this had anything to do with custody of
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Speaker 1: the children or is he just angry she finally left him?
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Speaker 1: And lady, I don't blame you? So is he is?
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Speaker 1: He was he ever charged with actually hacking in because
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Speaker 1: the investigating the posted after me technical angle police also
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Speaker 1: spoke with him and her about it, and he said
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Speaker 1: at that time he wasn't sure his wife had really
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Speaker 1: done it or if she had somebody else do it.
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Speaker 1: His plot is thickening. It's now turned into a big conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: So bottom line was this guy looking at Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: the phone number provided by the person who created the
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Speaker 1: ad was different, as you reported, David Lore. It turns
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Speaker 1: out to be his cell phone. Okay, When cops and
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Speaker 1: meet with Colch and show him the IP address and
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Speaker 1: phone number, it turns out it's his, not hers. At first,
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Speaker 1: he seemed to be nodding as if he understood, but
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Speaker 1: he didn't say anything. He just kind of stood there dumbfounded.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, he says, I did it for protection
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Speaker 1: from the police in the d a's office. What is
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Speaker 1: he talking about, David? From what I gather, he has
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Speaker 1: a bit of a criminal record leading up to this,
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Speaker 1: and uh, he'd actually supposedly followed a lawsuit against law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: So I think he he's trying to say he feels
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Speaker 1: like he's always the bad guy, you know, and for
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Speaker 1: once he wanted to be the good guy, even if
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Speaker 1: it meant him fabricating a crime to do so. This
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Speaker 1: guy just got twenty three months for this to run
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Speaker 1: concurrent or at the same time, is his probation revocation
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Speaker 1: on twenty three months, he might maybe do two or
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Speaker 1: three months. I'm talking eight to twelve weeks behind ours.
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Speaker 1: Man I gotta tell you, I can't believe that. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,