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Why 80% of Undocumented Immigrants Have Been Here 10+ Years (Full) · Solving America's Problems

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Alex: On Solving America’s Problems, Jerremy and Dave just uncovered one stat
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that stops you cold — four out of five undocumented immigrants in the U.S. have
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already lived here more than ten years.
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[thoughtful] These aren’t fresh border crossers sneaking in last night.
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They’re your neighbors, your coworkers, the guy who’s fixed your
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roof since 2012, the mom dropping kids at the same school as yours.
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And right now the system treats them exactly the same as someone
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who hopped the fence yesterday.
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Almost four million cases are stacked in immigration courts, each judge juggling
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OVER four thousand five hundred files, five-year waits just to get a hearing…
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Jerremy and Dave stare straight at that mess — and ask the
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question nobody else will touch…
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Jerremy: Dave Conley, we're gonna go behind the scenes for
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solving America's problems.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: To look a little bit into how we are going to.
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Potentially the most complex subject to date.
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Dave: Mm-hmm.
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Jerremy: With so many different thesises and one that we are also not directly
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impacted by, nor have we been a part of, nor have we could have been a part of.
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And that's immigration.
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Mm-hmm.
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We're gonna be discussing it, talking about it, diving into it.
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But these episodes really stem from the recent episode that we had
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catching everyone up on the current state of affairs of the world.
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And one of those big issues was ice.
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And of course the huge LA raids and riots that occurred over the immigration thesis.
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That's happening right now.
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And what we do know is the United States Immigration System is
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experiencing unprecedented strain with over 3.7 million, so almost
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4 million pending court cases.
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And a president who is extremely big on border control.
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That coupled with one of the things I think a lot of people probably
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overlook or maybe overlook, I'm not right the exact term, but immigrants
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definitely add a humongous portion to our gross domestic product.
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8.9, not million, not billion trillion to the top line of the GDP of America, Dave.
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So now we're talking balancing the humanitarian point of it, balancing the
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actual balance sheet part of it, and just discussing the humanistic standpoint.
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That is gonna be immigration.
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This is gonna be a big one for us to cover, and it's gonna be a multifaceted
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multier episode that people are gonna really absolutely fall in love with.
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Dave: I think this one's an easy one to say, look, this is super polarized.
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Can we back up from this and be like, okay, you know, like
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there's a lot of opinions.
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There's a lot of data, there's a lot of, you know, like people
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who are dug in on both sides.
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And it's, I think it's really important when we're looking at the problems.
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One is, hey, nobody's looking at immigration saying,
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Hey, this is working great.
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Mm-hmm.
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And this is also not one of those things where it's solved with
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executive orders and deportations.
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It's solved with like real legislation, real practices, real
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things that we don't talk about.
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And also just understanding it from those three key components.
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Like there's a huge economic piece of this.
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There's also like a demographic piece of this, you know, like we're not making
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enough babies in the United States and we, you know, a society's only going
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to survive if it has enough, you know, young people supporting the old people.
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Unlike like Japan, which has been, cratering or China or
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You know, like these are countries in crisis because they
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don't have enough young people.
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So we, we need to have it.
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And also the talent that comes on board, you know, all of the stem folks that
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come over both, you know, documented, under documented, that's the thing.
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And then balancing the security aspect of it.
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This, which is really important.
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It's like if somebody's coming in, we just wanna know who you are, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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And like, you know, so if we can really kind of tease these things apart.
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A, pour some water on the rhetoric and be like, okay, now we understand what the
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problems are and now onto the solutions.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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So tell people a little bit about, as you started building kind of the
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framework for myself and yourself on not only research, but conversations
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that we're gonna have with some amazing, incredible people in the future.
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How did you start and how did you build the framework around
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this incredibly polarizing topic?
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Dave: Well, I think, I mean, this goes back to a little bit of behind
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the scenes, you know, before we start any of these topics, whether it's
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homelessness or debt or school or safety, any of these things, what we
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start with is a whole lot of research.
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So like, what's going on out there?
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Because I don't know, you're not an expert.
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I'm not an expert.
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You know, there's a few things that we are expert in, but it's none of these topics.
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So, for instance, with immigration we're staring at like a 14 page brief
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that I put together, and it covers as many things as that I could think of.
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It's the key statistics, it's the history of this.
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I mean, I didn't understand the history of immigration.
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Like it goes back to before there was a country and it's been
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poked at, you know, like every 10 or 20 years.
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And, and we keep on poking at it, but it goes, it, you know, like there's a
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huge foundation in the United States.
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Like we, you know, like what was this all about?
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So yep.
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This huge historical context and then sort of like the recent history,
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basically like the last 25 years, what have the president's done?
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Mm-hmm.
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What are, you know, what are the major legislation, if any, you
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know, like what, what has been like, the big, big pieces with that.
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Then overall, what the problem is, and that's like the core of it.
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Like what is the problem that we're actually looking at?
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And then what are the solutions, not just the ones that are proposed, but
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the solutions that have been tried sometimes in the United States, like
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we do have some things that are working right now, which surprised me, but
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also what are other countries doing?
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Like, like there are so many countries that are struggling with immigration and
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there's a lot of experiments out there.
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I think, you know, we think that we have to reinvent the wheel
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over and over and over again, and that's just, that is not the case.
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But we're also looking at a system that nobody is saying,
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Hey, this is, this is working.
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So it's like, okay, what does work and can we build on that?
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Definitely also looking at what the controversies are, what the divides
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are, what are the things where there is like a lot of energy, like border
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walls or the dreamers or asylum seekers, sanctuary cities, all of that.
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So like where, where is there like, like this, where is there energy around things?
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And then also understanding what people don't know about this.
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You know, like what are the, what are sort of like the mysteries
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of this that people don't like?
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You know, one of my favorite ones, uh, was that.
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That most undocumented or, you know, illegal aliens, undocumented, however
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you wanna describe people who are, are overstaying visas or coming into the
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nation without, you know, without a visa or without any kind of information.
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Four outta five of those folks have lived here for over 10 years.
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These people are already here, they're in our communities.
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They're not just recent border crossers.
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They have been here and they're part of our lives.
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So it's like, oh, you know, like, we really want to take a look at this
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systemically as solutions of not like, okay, let's deport them all.
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Also know that you're deporting families and like there's gotta be
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this humanitarian aspect of this.
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It's not just that.
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So that's what we start with.
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That's what you get.
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Sometimes actually our guests get this as well, so that we can
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have more vibrant communications, talks about what's going on.
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That's the behind the scenes and that's what we're doing
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this week is sort of laying out.
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Some of the information that we are interested in, some of the things that we
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are gonna explore, and some of the people that we want to talk with on this, whether
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it's policy, people or, recent immigrants, maybe even undocumented or illegal aliens,
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whoever we can get around this to really explore this and explore their things.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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So on that kind of general topic, Dave, earlier you mentioned the word problem,
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which is what we do in this podcast.
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Do you feel Trump was the first president in recent decades to
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take a very, uh, what's the word?
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Overwhelming stance on immigration, and he also proposed a very tactical solution.
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I'm not calling it a workable solution.
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I'm saying this is a solution to him.
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A k the wall.
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In your recent memory, was this the first person to really
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take that type of a stance?
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Dave: He took, or he takes a very energetic stance, right?
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Like there's a lot of energy behind what he's saying, and it's not positive, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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You know?
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Mm-hmm.
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When he came down the escalator in 2016 he pitched this as, these are the
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problems you're having and these are the people that are causing those problems.
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You know, it's an us versus them.
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And that is very polarizing, right?
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And that puts people very much on edge.
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And that is pretty much the first time in, you know, like our living
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history where that's happened.
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It is not the case in the United States that has actually
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happened many other times.
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Back to the colonial era,
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there was like this real like, oh no, no, no, no, no.
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You know, like we are going to.
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Make sure that it is only these kind of people like, um mm-hmm.
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Mid 19th century, basically we're saying, okay, no Chinese people not allowed.
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Mm-hmm.
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But we would allow like a huge number of Europeans, right?
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We had 14 million people that came in in 40 years, which is actually more than
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what we've seen in the last 10, 15 years.
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Like, it's a huge number.
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It was 15% of the US population.
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And then, uh, in the 20th century, again, long before we were born,
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there was a real bias against Southern Europeans or eastern Europeans.
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Like they were, they were like, oh, no, no, no, we're not gonna have any of this.
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And they actually shut down immigration starting in about 19 20, 19 24,
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which I didn't realize, but like, there wasn't a lot of immigration
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between the twenties and the eighties.
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Like there was this 60 year period.
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Where not much happened.
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We did actually allow a lot of Mexican laborers to come
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in because we needed labor.
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And, but outside of that there was, it was a real small number and it
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really was, it was quite prejudicial, you know, like it was a lot of like,
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oh no, no, we're not doing that.
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Changed in the eighties.
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And, and this is, I have some memory of this, and I wanted to ask you about this.
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Because I, this is how I sort of have, you know, my thinking about immigration.
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It happened where I was, you know, like how I grew up and where I grew up.
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Uh, and I wanted to get your, your vibe on things like what was it like
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you, when you were growing up, like what was your view of immigration?
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Did you have a sense of it, you know, like where, where, where were
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sort of the beginnings of Jerremy newsom's thinking on immigration?
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Jerremy: Sure.
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It really wasn't a issue, topic or really overall thought for me.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: Growing up in Georgia, I would say probably the number
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one politically divisive topic was probably more racism than immigration.
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Um, because what was interesting is in Georgia where I grew up, immigration
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was very welcomed isn't the right word, probably swept under the rug because
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they're like, Hey, we have a lot of jobs
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: That we need, or I shouldn't say we need, they really
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want cheap labor for, right?
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And it was like, oh, well, let's give cheap labor to
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immigrants or illegal aliens.
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And that was very common, very popular in the farms, right?
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Picking watermelons, picking peanuts, doing extremely hard construction work.
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Uh, very, very often was.
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Immigrants, and I didn't know if they were illegal or not, but again,
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most of the farmers or owners of the land or owners of the construction
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companies, they didn't really care.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: So that's how I kind of saw it.
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And so I guess subconsciously, if we had to dive deeper, my thought would've
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been, Hey, immigration, even if it is illegal, is probably perfectly normal.
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As long as we get them jobs and we get them working.
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Like that's probably gonna help the economy.
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And so I think that was probably a subconscious belief that I had and
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probably still have, where it's like, listen, is there a better way to do it?
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Yes.
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But they're gonna have people that, Hey, you want the Big American cool dream?
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Amazing.
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That dream is probably gonna be, initiated somehow by a lot of work.
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And so if you want a lot of work, we're gonna give you access to that.
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So if you come here looking for jobs, looking for opportunity, looking
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for employment, hey, guess what?
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We got tons of it.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: And I think that is probably.
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A way to inject excitement into this world.
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And at the same time, you mentioned earlier the solution of, okay,
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cool, so how do we do that?
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Dave: Mm-hmm.
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Jerremy: Um, that was really kind of my upbringing.
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What about yours?
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Dave: So I grew up just outside of Washington DC and it was a real
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turning point in immigration actually.
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There was a lot of stuff happening around Vietnam at the time.
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There was a big humanitarian crisis and we had, what was called boat people.
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A lot of churches got together with politicians and be like, oh my God.
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We have all these boat people and 'cause they were primarily
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Christians actually fleeing poverty.
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And there was droughts and all, you know, like huge things that were going on.
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I mean, they'd just gotten outta the Vietnam War and now they were
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having humanitarian crisis and a lot of 'em were Christians.
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And so a lot of the churches in the United States actually like, were
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pounding on the doors of, particularly Republicans and Reagan to be like, oh
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my God, we've gotta rescue these folks.
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And so they did.
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And the State Department scooped up tens of thousands of Vietnamese,
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and they dropped them in three places in the United States.
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One of them was in Los Angeles, the other one was Houston, Texas.
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And, the third one was.
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Right outside where I lived in Falls Church, Virginia.
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And in fact, falls Church still has one of the largest Vietnamese populations in
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the United States, outside of Vietnam.
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To this day, my comfort food is Vietnamese food.
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Every time I'm back in DC I'm like, I'm going for Vietnamese food.
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I love it.
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Right.
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And so my friends, a lot of them were Vietnamese.
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And then just down the road in Annandale, Virginia, there
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was a huge Korean population.
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You know, they had had the war in the fifties, but they'd also, uh, lived in
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sort of like this strange, like communist sort of like disaster in South Korea.
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You know, South Korea being a democracy is actually pretty new.
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I, you know, I don't think a lot of people realize that.
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And so a lot of refugees from Korea came and they were deposited again by the
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State Department in Annandale, Virginia.
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And then outside of that, not a lot of, um, Mexican laborers but a lot of
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people from other nations in Central and South America, a lot of Honduras, a
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lot of Venezuelan, uh, some Brazilian.
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So like, it wasn't a lot of, of, of Mexican.
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Like what, what you would, you know, see in, in Texas or in California.
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The south.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Mainly in the south.
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But it wasn't like an agrarian area.
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It was the suburbs.
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Right.
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And here's what was nuts again, this is a history that I don't
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think a lot of people realize.
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All these Vietnamese come into the United States and with a stroke of a
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pen, a fine Republican, Ronald Reagan made tens of thousands of Vietnamese.
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Instant citizens.
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I mean, instant like, just signed and said you're an American.
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That was pretty much my upbringing because, you know,
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DC was incredibly multicultural.
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I was surrounded by, you know, people that weren't like me.
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You know, like a lot of Vietnamese, a lot of Korean, a lot of Asian, and
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DC being very, you know, just like everybody's from everywhere else.
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And that really was my thinking around, like, it wasn't a thing.
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It just like people existed.
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And you know, like looking at how polarizing it is today, I
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didn't grow up with any of that.
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You know, everybody was just there.
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And like, there was plenty of work.
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Like it was an abundance thing, you know, it's like there was plenty of
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work you know, like, particularly the Vietnamese and the Koreans as a population
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they, they really fundamentally changed Northern Virginia, which was like this,
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sleepy little, slightly southern, part
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of Washington DC completely transformed it into like, a lot of stores, a lot of
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entrepreneurship, you know, just, it just, it completely changed the fabric of the
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area and made it really amazing actually.
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I mean, to this day I love going through there.
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It's like, it's a really special part of the United States.
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And so that was, that was sort of my foundation, which was
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like these folks are just here.
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And by the way to this day, you know, some of the most patriotic people I
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know, because a lot of folks that became instant US citizens, because it was
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Washington DC and it was a company town, a lot of them joined the government.
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And so when I joined the government 30 years later, I was surrounded
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by Koreans and Vietnamese.
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Yeah.
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Uh, who had now been in the government and their parents had
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been in the government for, 40 years.
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And I'm like, okay, this is awesome.
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So, you know, my views were always very positive.
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Uh, you know, there wasn't, you know, sort of an underclass.
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I'd say it changed, you know, I left DC I think, uh, 10, 15 years ago now.
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And what was really clear was and actually a lot of people in the
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government got in trouble for this, which was hiring people under the table.
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And so, like, can you imagine like, this was the thing that got
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a politician, like, ousted or like a senior executive out, right.
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Because they, they had a, they had a nanny or they had somebody who was
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like mowing their lawn who was like undocumented their pan under the table.
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You know, like that was the thing that would ruin people's careers.
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Now, you know, not so much.
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So like, there really is, underneath now, this world of people who just work under
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the table, which is now one of my issues.
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And I think we can talk about that maybe next of what are the problems that we see,
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you know, like now they, this was my, my foundation was like, hey this is awesome.
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And that's evolved.
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Jerremy: Yep.
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I think the problems I hear about presently in the media.
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And I think a lot of the listeners, you know, we have a very, very
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culturally diverse group of listeners.
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Very large audience I would also say is they probably feel
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or see from media drugs, right?
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Like, sure.
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This is the, that's how most of the drugs come into this country.
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Now, my opinion is that it's not.
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Immigrants that bring in drugs.
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It is drug runners that bring in drugs, right?
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Like, it's not the mom and dad from, Poland that want to come to the US or
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Mexico or Honduras or Chile that want to come to the US and they do it illegally.
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They're not bringing drugs, right?
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Yeah.
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They want to get here and they want all the greatness that America provides.
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Now, I think, can we have different border restrictions and should we really,
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really be careful about who we let in just because it's a nation and there
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should be some level of due process.
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Sure.
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But we gotta remember a little bit of history, right?
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The reason that there are.
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Tens of millions of Mexicans in California is because California used to be Mexico.
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Right?
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Like we, and that like, they're just, they're home really.
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We went over there and was like, yeah, it's ours now,
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you know, in the 18 hundreds.
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And so like, talk to people love, just like, no, they can't come over here.
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I'm like, we took it from them guys.
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So you gotta, but that's the truth, right?
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That there's a lot of those little components that people love to kind
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of just slip around and forget about.
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And I think the ironic part of that, Dave, is California as a state is like the, if
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it was a country, it would be like the 53rd most wealthy country in the world.
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It adds, I think $4 trillion to the gross domestic product of us by itself.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of people are like, california sucks.
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My thought is it can simply be better.
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It's not that it sucks.
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Yeah.
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It's like it can just become better than it is now.
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So the documentation process and the, the awareness process for me, I'm
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almost like, listen guys, I think most politicians really do a great
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job of providing scarcity based mentality to the American public.
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And that scarcity based mentality is we don't have enough land.
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They're taking all of our land.
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They're taking all of our jobs.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: We gotta keep the immigrants out and they're bringing in all these drugs.
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Right.
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Where my version, much more abundant, much larger mindset is I. We have so much land.
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It's crazy.
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Mm-hmm.
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First of all have you seen Utah?
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Like we have so much land.
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I mean we're, Nevada, California, Arizona.
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I'm in Tennessee right now.
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There's, there's acreages everywhere for sale.
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Lots of jobs.
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Dave: Lots
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Jerremy: of land.
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We got lots of land.
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So much land.
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Yeah.
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We have so much opportunity for building, for construction,
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for new creations to happen.
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I think it's like, listen, open it up, and come up with a really cool process.
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Say, Hey, listen, we can have as many immigrants as we want.
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Bring them in.
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Yeah, but let's get 'em documented.
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Let's make them citizens and we can sign on the dotted line where
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someone a really beautiful, well-paid, well-trained representative, gives
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them the ability to stamp and say, Hey, you just passed the test.
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Which is, I think reasonable.
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Man, like if you come to the US to live here sure.
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Pass some level of tests, some level of, basic knowledge, basic
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education slash ba, basic language.
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Go through that, oh, now you're a citizen.
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Awesome.
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And now you can pay taxes, right?
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That's really what the country wants or needs.
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And, and I think, man, looking at some of these numbers the economic
23:19
impact, immigration can add 9 trillion to the GDP 2024 to 2034, right?
23:25
Over that decade, 1.2 trillion in federal taxes.
23:29
Yeah, they could cut deficits by 900 billion Immigrants currently
23:33
pay 652 billion in taxes yearly, including almost a hundred billion
23:37
from undocumented immigrants.
23:40
You find a really good flat tax, which again, I'm kind of a huge fan
23:43
of everyone pays this amount done.
23:46
Don't worry about the IRS anymore.
23:48
Oh, you're alive.
23:48
Cool.
23:49
You pay this amount.
23:49
High five.
23:50
If you're making 30,000, 300,000 or 30 million, you pay
23:53
this amount, Hey, high five.
23:54
There's no way to get around it.
23:55
There's no way to, buy depreciation or have write offs.
23:59
It's like, nope you're an American citizen.
24:00
You pay this amount.
24:01
So now that, that collective revenue is incredible among immigrants, and
24:05
again, I just think we just have a, a much better due process because I'm
24:08
really, truthfully, in my personal opinion of the world, not afraid.
24:12
I'm not afraid 'cause that's what built dude, that's what built America.
24:16
Like if you do any level of history, any level, our railroads, Manhattan,
24:23
built by immigrants, right?
24:25
Our entire transportation system out to the Midwest, built by immigrants.
24:29
Like we have so much of this country to think directly to those that
24:34
flooded this nation from traveling because of what we can be and how big.
24:39
And how expansive it was.
24:40
I mean, shoot, dude, we came here as immigrants.
24:42
Dave: Yeah,
24:43
Jerremy: We came over here, you know, good old stories of Mayflower,
24:46
christopher Columbus we came here and, and forged our own way.
24:50
So I think there's a, I think there's a better way to approach this.
24:53
I think there's some type of really interesting solution, and I'm not
24:57
the whole, oh man, America, the immigrants are bringing in drugs.
25:00
It's like, no dude, immigrants aren't bringing in drugs.
25:03
Drug people are bringing drugs.
25:05
They're coming here and leaving here and it's not the immigrants that are bringing,
25:10
Dave: well, I want to tease that apart a little bit because it
25:12
goes to some of my feelings on undocumented or illegal aliens.
25:17
I guess one of the things I have a problem with is this system of.
25:24
The drug cartels getting people into the United States.
25:28
They make billions of dollars getting people into the US and then these
25:36
folks become indentured servants.
25:40
They have to send money to the cartel every single month, or bad
25:46
things happen to their families.
25:49
Mm-hmm.
25:50
I mean, this is human trafficking.
25:52
You can't go very long here in south Florida about, another
25:58
prostitution ring, broken up.
26:00
And you know, the human suffering that is around the undocumented
26:05
aspect of this is insanity.
26:10
And I think it causes a lot of.
26:13
I, I mean, I, I, I think that that is a moral, a moral imperative
26:17
to be like, okay, look, you can't come in the United States.
26:20
You are going to be deported.
26:22
This is a line in the sand.
26:23
Because what this does is creates this underclass of people
26:29
That are, subject to the most violent, extreme, awful human beings on the planet.
26:36
And then they're essentially put into slave labor here in the United States.
26:40
That's the other side of this, which is I don't get how American companies
26:46
and that includes, farm corporations, that includes construction companies.
26:51
Like, like I don't, I look, I don't get it right.
26:54
I mean, if you are working a fair job in the United States, you
26:59
should be getting a fair wage and.
27:02
Yeah, we shouldn't be paying people less money because they're undocumented
27:07
or saying, Hey, we're going to, turn you over to ice if you demand,
27:11
basic benefits or a living wage,
27:14
these are people who are providing tremendous value to the United
27:18
States and to you and I, but it's artificially keeping wages low when
27:23
they should be making great money and I got a big issue with that.
27:27
Human trafficking, prostitution, underclass, not getting,
27:32
Jerremy: think the underclass that we should figure out is just
27:34
the criminals, dude, that's it.
27:36
There's gotta be a really, really great way to bifurcate
27:40
and distinguish who's here.
27:42
'cause they want to be here and they're really doing their best to add to the
27:45
world and add to America as a positive.
27:48
Dave: Yeah.
27:48
Jerremy: Or those who are here to be negligent.
27:50
There is definitely a way to distinguish that and to just deep, oh, you're here and
27:57
you didn't get your stamp of approval yet.
27:59
You haven't gotten your green card.
28:00
We, it's gonna deport you.
28:01
Dave: Yeah.
28:02
Jerremy: And it doesn't matter who you are.
28:04
I, you know, I kind of really liked the, um, and I forget the exact name
28:08
and I apologize if I mess it up, but like, I think it was under Obama
28:12
when if you're Cuban and you made it to the beach, touch the sand.
28:16
You're, you got it right.
28:17
Hey, good job.
28:18
You survived.
28:18
You made it right in Florida.
28:21
Dave: Was and
28:21
Jerremy: cu was that way.
28:22
Dave: No.
28:22
George W.
28:23
Jerremy: Bush did that one.
28:25
Yep.
28:25
You know, and I kind of think in that perspective where it's like,
28:27
Hey, the prize is to live here.
28:29
If you get here, and we can easily, like we build centers, just like you
28:33
have military recruitment centers, you have immigration centers all across the
28:38
country, because I've never seen one.
28:40
This might be pure ignorance and I'm just a moron, but driving around
28:44
than any other city I've never seen, oh, here's an immigration center.
28:48
They're, they're not just places where like, Hey, you wanna come to America?
28:51
Cool.
28:51
You got here.
28:51
However you got here, I don't know how you got here, but come
28:54
here, fill out these forms, take a test, get a green card, well done.
28:57
Go pay your taxes.
28:58
Mm-hmm.
28:58
And those are people that are not going, 99% of them are not going to be criminals.
29:05
That's like saying, oh, we should deport all of them because they're illegal.
29:07
It's like the amount of people that are in the US that are illegal, documented,
29:12
born here, bred here, people that terrorize people and commit murders
29:16
is probably just as high as whatever.
29:20
Someone from a different country did it.
29:22
So you can't just stipulate anyone who's illegal alien is automatically a murderer.
29:27
I think that's, I think that's an insane propagandist piece
29:31
that was thrown out there.
29:33
Dave: I hear you.
29:34
And I also, what are the causes of all this immigration?
29:38
Because we're talking about, you know, like there's about a
29:39
million people, and it's been about the same for about 50 years.
29:43
About a million people come into the United States, quote unquote,
29:46
legally, they have green cards.
29:47
They, you know, either lottery or they're sponsored by a business
29:51
and, you know, they have a marriage.
29:52
And then, you know, like that's what I'm exploring right now.
29:55
And because the laws are so byzantine and haven't been really been touched
29:59
in like 30 years, you know, I need a lawyer in order to help figure this out.
30:02
You know, it's not simple, but when I think about it.
30:08
There's a reason, there's a push and a pull.
30:10
There's, you know, like there's issues going on in a person's home country.
30:16
There may not be economic opportunity.
30:18
It may be violent, it may be, unstable.
30:21
And, you know, like here in South Florida, you know, huge number of folks from
30:27
Haiti, from Cuba, and from Venezuela.
30:30
I mean, it's massive, right?
30:32
Those countries are in pretty bad shape directly because of the stuff
30:37
that the United States has done, like, you know, the French and the
30:41
United States have been, shaking.
30:43
Haiti for the better part of 120 years.
30:46
Venezuela has had, so many issues.
30:49
I think we've toppled that government one or two times.
30:51
Uh, who knows?
30:52
Like, we have had it, you know, under some sort of, uh, economic restrictions
30:57
for as long as I can remember.
30:59
And, uh, you know, Cuba is Cuba.
31:01
Like we, I've been to Cuba and like we've had our foot on
31:06
the neck of that country for.
31:08
Since the 1950s, since way before, you and I were born.
31:12
And so like, there's a reason why people are leaving their countries.
31:17
And in some stance I'm thinking like I wouldn't wanna leave my country, you
31:21
know, like, it's my country, right?
31:23
Mm-hmm.
31:23
And like, if those countries were amazing.
31:26
Nobody would be wanting to even come here.
31:29
I mean, isn't there something to be said that the policies of the United
31:33
States should be like, okay, not only is it like make America great again, it's
31:36
also make Venezuela great again and, you know, stop like throwing it down a
31:40
flight of stairs or make Cuba great again.
31:42
You know, like, these countries just because we don't like the governments,
31:45
it's like we deal with countries that have terrible governments all over the planet.
31:50
Like Saudi Arabia is not like a bastion of human rights, you know?
31:54
Like it is not a good place.
31:56
Right.
31:56
And yet, you know, like we're all sunny about Saudi Arabia and it's like, it is
32:00
not, I'll probably get some hate mail for this, but Saudi Arabia is, is very
32:05
low on the human rights world, right?
32:07
Correct.
32:08
Oh yeah.
32:08
But like, we're all thumbs up.
32:10
Right?
32:11
We could be doing the same with those countries in our own hemisphere.
32:15
And like, I don't get that, you know, like, maybe this isn't an
32:17
immigration thing, it's a, stop screwing with other countries thing.
32:22
Jerremy: What do you think?
32:22
Yeah, very well could be like, you know, beefing up the essentially
32:26
ambassadors or the Secretary of State or other aspects of where we can, I don't
32:33
know, teach other governments, right.
32:35
Help give them guidance, help teach them how to think, play, construct,
32:42
build, liberalize, theorize, create, make opportunities, uh, rather than
32:48
continually punishing citizens.
32:50
'cause yeah, everyone's coming here, right?
32:52
Honduras doesn't really have a huge immigration problem and it
32:56
has a bunch of countries around it.
32:57
Brazil isn't facing a huge immigration problem.
33:02
It's got a bunch of countries bordering it.
33:04
Dave: Yeah.
33:05
Jerremy: We only have really two.
33:07
Mexico and Canada, and, Canadians don't flood down here either.
33:11
Dave: Mm-hmm.
33:11
Jerremy: So we also have to kind of think about like, all right, well
33:14
the countries that are coming here, is there a way to your point, right?
33:17
Is there a way that we can work with them weekly, monthly, quarterly, to say,
33:21
Hey, listen, your country kind of sucks.
33:23
Like, is there a way that you guys can figure it out where
33:26
everyone doesn't leave in droves?
33:27
Dave: Let's stop invading with, uh, with government, contractors with guns
33:32
and start invading with Coca-Cola.
33:34
Mm-hmm.
33:34
And let, mm-hmm.
33:35
Let's, let's, you know, let's let's get great American
33:38
businesses in these countries.
33:40
Yeah.
33:41
Um,
33:41
Creating jobs and, making sure that folks do have a good standard of
33:45
living and that, you know, like we, we, we have, we have overturned most
33:48
of the governments in Central and South America over the last hundred
33:51
years, and it hasn't worked out well,
33:53
I'm of a proponent of invading economically.
33:56
That's what I think we should do.
33:58
Jerremy: It's fascinating.
33:59
I think ultimately one of the really, really cool solutions that I'm
34:04
very fascinated to dig into is just gonna be the border thing, right?
34:07
Like, that's, that's the one that trump's like, Hey, I don't think
34:10
a lot of people are gonna do it.
34:11
They haven't really brought it up.
34:12
I mean, Obama was big on immigration.
34:15
Some people, people love painting Obama as this, like super peaceful.
34:20
Dave: Oh no.
34:21
Jerremy: Crazy loving.
34:22
He did everything correct, kinda.
34:24
He,
34:25
Dave: he was actually called the deporter in chief.
34:27
He, that I know, dude, a lot of people.
34:29
He deported,
34:30
Jerremy: he kicked out all kinds of people.
34:31
Dave: He deported more people than any other president in modern history.
34:34
Like period.
34:35
Yeah.
34:36
I mean, like, it was crazy.
34:39
It was like 5 million people.
34:41
Actually.
34:42
George w he, he did 10.3 million and Obama did 5.3 million.
34:46
You'd think Trump in his first administration was this huge.
34:49
Now he did 1.9 million.
34:51
Uh, so it was actually the lowest one.
34:54
You know, Biden got a lot of grief and he should have, you know, it
34:56
felt like the borders were wide open.
34:59
Mm-hmm.
34:59
Uh, and that goes to some of the economic cost.
35:02
You know, in the research it came up that on average.
35:06
You know, immigrants do, you know, provide a lot more to the United States
35:11
than they take in services, right?
35:14
However, you know, that is different in Florida, in Texas, and in California.
35:21
California right now has a huge budget deficit.
35:23
It may be like the ninth largest economy on the planet, but they, they're
35:27
running a massive deficit right now that they're trying to balance out and
35:31
they have really high, uh, high taxes.
35:34
So they're trying to figure it out.
35:36
That's a, you know, that's a state that provides all sorts of services.
35:41
And so like they're struggling with that.
35:42
They're trying to figure it out.
35:44
Here in Florida?
35:44
Same.
35:45
Same.
35:45
You know, like there's, there's a lot of money that goes into
35:48
the infrastructure, whether it's, schools or healthcare or housing.
35:53
Yeah.
35:53
You know, like there's, there's a lot which is very different than say New York.
35:58
And that's, you know, that was some of the shenanigans that we saw, you know,
36:02
last administration where, you know, uh, governor Abbott would like bust people
36:07
into San Francisco or they'd bus them into LA or bus 'em into to New York.
36:11
And there was a change in attitude, and particularly in New York City
36:15
where it was like, oh my God.
36:16
And so like, there was a bit of a out of sight, out of mind for folks.
36:20
It's like, it's easy to say immigrants are awesome when.
36:25
It's not in your face, and it isn't like a serious sort of issue that is
36:30
expensive and time consuming and changing, sort of like the fabric of things.
36:36
So I, I think it, you know, if we're, we're thinking about immigration,
36:39
we think about it as a nation as a whole, not as like, it's just really
36:43
a problem for the border states.
36:45
Jerremy: Yeah.
36:46
Yeah, I agree.
36:47
But I think the border states, I mean.
36:50
Dude, Arizona, New Mexico.
36:52
Yeah.
36:52
It's called New Mexico.
36:53
Hello.
36:54
Dave: Gulf of America.
36:56
Jerremy: What happened to
36:57
Dave: that is, is the whole Greenland, uh, Gulf of America are we done with that now?
37:02
Jerremy: No, Gulf America has happened.
37:03
That is an executive order.
37:05
It's on Google Maps.
37:06
They're putting it in the schools, they're updating into books.
37:09
It's kind of hilarious.
37:10
And where did that
37:11
Dave: come from?
37:11
I'd be like, I,
37:13
Jerremy: In, in the random, uh, rabbit hole of Gulf of America.
37:16
I believe it was because of an energy rite.
37:19
That has been signed for the last 30 years that prohibited Trump or
37:23
any American president from doing something in the Gulf of Mexico.
37:26
So he said, oh, well, I'll just change it to Gulf of America now.
37:29
The law no longer supersedes what I want to do.
37:31
Dave: IIII love that we're kind of run by a toddler.
37:35
It's like the greatest thing ever, you know?
37:38
Yeah.
37:38
Jerremy: It's like, we'll just change the name.
37:39
Dave: I'm like,
37:39
Jerremy: okay.
37:39
He's a billionaire, toddler who knows how to break all laws and get away with it.
37:44
Dave: There is a subtle brilliance to it.
37:46
Jerremy: He is like, let me break the law and I can't be in trouble because it
37:50
doesn't apply to me a subtle brilliance.
37:53
So that, that's real.
37:54
The Gulf of America is now an actual thing.
37:56
It's on, if you pull up a Google map, Dave, on your phone.
37:59
Oh, come.
38:00
It'll say Gulf.
38:01
I swear.
38:01
Pull it up real quick.
38:02
After, after pulling up
38:03
Dave: Panama, we were gonna invade Panama too.
38:05
We stopped talking about that one.
38:06
Jerremy: Yeah, we stopped talking about that Greenland that kind of went away.
38:09
'Cause people told Trump, Hey bro, there's nothing there.
38:12
Just go away there, there's nothing in Greenland.
38:14
It's not a real place.
38:16
Like there's like five pounds of oil.
38:19
Leave it alone.
38:20
Dave: Okay.
38:21
Yeah, man.
38:21
Check out
38:22
Jerremy: some
38:22
Dave: of these issues.
38:23
Alright we spend, and it's gonna be a lot more with the budget bill coming in.
38:29
Uh, but we spend, three and a half, a billion.
38:32
That's a billion with a B on, uh, detention and deportation.
38:38
So that, that's crazy.
38:41
And we spend a billion dollars on courts doing adjudication.
38:46
But here's the thing.
38:48
There's 3 million people that are looking for like their day in court,
38:52
and they deserve a day in court.
38:53
And actually like the, the immigration courts, it's, it's not like a, you
38:57
know, it's not like what we would think of, like when we were talking
38:59
about like the incarceration and all the stuff that we were talking about.
39:02
Like those were, those were courts, like how we would be thinking about them.
39:06
These are immigration courts.
39:07
They're like they're administrative, right?
39:10
But here's the kicker.
39:12
There's only enough judges.
39:15
Uh, if you take all of the judges, each one of them has 4,500 cases,
39:21
and so there's like a five year waiting list for, you know, that's
39:25
the quickest you would ever see.
39:27
So you're in this like perpetual limbo of like, am I here or am I not?
39:32
You know, will I ever get seen?
39:33
Yeah.
39:33
Will, I won't.
39:34
Yeah.
39:34
And so like, these things can go for years and years and years.
39:37
It's like, so what's the big deal?
39:39
Like, why don't we be hiring?
39:40
Like, how are we not hiring like a bunch of administrative judges on this?
39:46
Right?
39:46
Like, easy to like, you know, is this a real asylum case or not?
39:50
You know, like some people said, I'm, you know, in asylum, but I'm not.
39:53
And then some people are like, yeah, it's serious asylum.
39:56
It's like, okay, then we're gonna take you.
39:59
You know, like we need the judges.
40:00
Like, why do we spend all this money?
40:02
Like so down here in Florida.
40:04
I don't know if you saw any of the news on this.
40:05
They have put up what's being called alligator Alcatraz, and
40:09
it's just outside of Miami here.
40:11
And it's on an old, not an old base.
40:13
It's on an old, airport.
40:15
You know, like they were gonna be building like this huge airport down
40:17
here, and they decided like 40 years ago that they couldn't build it because
40:20
of environmental concerns, right.
40:21
But they were gonna build the largest airport in the
40:23
United States here in Miami.
40:25
And so, but they left all the runways.
40:27
And so, ICE has come in and DHS has come in and they've put up temporary
40:32
trailers to house like a thousand people.
40:35
And so like, there's all sorts of protests with that.
40:37
And I'm like, I don't know.
40:38
I saw the trailers.
40:39
They look pretty nice, but that's all detention.
40:41
Those aren't like courtrooms.
40:43
And I feel like we spent, you know, a little bit less money on detention
40:47
and deportation and a little bit more on getting people through the system,
40:51
because once they have the adjudication, then it'd be like, okay, you know,
40:56
do you stay or do you go yes or no?
40:57
Right.
40:58
Yeah.
40:58
Like yes or no.
40:59
It's a yes or no.
41:00
But just starting with deportation and spending all that money on deportation,
41:04
I don't know if it's that effective.
41:05
Jerremy: Yeah.
41:06
And we could spend, but we also have to spend that much money too.
41:09
'cause like, you could go after all the people, you know, all the kids
41:12
who are going to college to be, to get, they haven't passed the bar yet.
41:16
Dave: Yeah.
41:16
Jerremy: And all they need is administrative.
41:18
Yes or no.
41:19
Like, that could be one of their first, Hey, spend some time on this case.
41:23
You're a college kid in Virginia and you get 25 cases go through
41:27
'em, and the judge or the counselor or whoever that has passed the
41:31
bar just gets to sign off on it.
41:32
Mm-hmm.
41:33
You know, with an auto pin or whatever.
41:35
Dave: Yeah.
41:36
Jerremy: There's from your perspective, and I would agree with it, I think
41:40
that is a process or like, rather than spending all the money on keeping
41:44
him here let's spend the money on figuring out should they be here.
41:48
Mm-hmm.
41:49
Because there's gonna be definitely a large portion that will slash should.
41:54
So we can say, yep, you belong here.
41:56
You deserve to be here.
41:57
Thanks for being here.
41:58
Welcome to America.
42:00
And then there's gonna be probably 25% or less that probably shouldn't be here.
42:04
And great, we can deport them, but we don't have to
42:08
spend money on detaining them
42:11
Dave: Yeah.
42:11
Jerremy: Versus going through that court system.
42:14
And that's a lot of people, man.
42:15
That's a long, long, long, long, long history.
42:18
Um, if a judge saw one case a day right, it would take 'em 10, 15 years
42:24
just to go through the current cases.
42:25
Which to your point, yeah.
42:26
I think that's a relatively big glaring oversight.
42:29
It's like, just speed up that process and just make you a little
42:31
bit more formalized as well.
42:34
So me, man this is gonna be fantastic.
42:36
Fantastic to talk through.
42:38
Because then you also have the, uh, the.
42:41
The one that my wife, and I'm sure we'll all hear from her later
42:44
'cause she definitely wants to hop in on this immigration topic.
42:46
Dave: Yeah.
42:47
Jerremy: Uh, because that's how she got here, right?
42:49
She was an immigrant and so she's really, really stoked to have that conversation.
42:53
But one of the things that she's most frustrated by is, hey, if you
42:57
have a bunch of money, it's a lot easier to become American citizen.
43:01
It sure is.
43:03
Uh, we are, that's a lot easier.
43:04
Dave: We are, uh, we're exploring that, you know, in my situation, my, my boo
43:10
too, like if you make an investment in the United States, you okay?
43:15
You want to hear how it's done.
43:17
You want to hear how it's actually done and it might make you crazy.
43:21
Living here in Miami, you see all these big buildings, you might be
43:23
able to actually see 'em behind me.
43:25
Well, you've been down here, right?
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Like these giant buildings.
43:28
And so this is how the Four Seasons was built down here.
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The Four Seasons needed a hundred million dollars.
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And so they partnered with, a company that would provide the financing.
43:39
And the financing comes from well off international people.
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And so they got a hundred people to put up a million dollars.
43:50
The company who built the building would employ a bunch of people.
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And that's what the requirement is.
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You have to invest in the United States, employ a bunch of people for a certain
44:01
amount of time in an economic zone.
44:04
And with that, that's how you get your permanent residency.
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The person who's making the building gets a really, really cheap loan, and
44:15
the people who want a permanent green card get permanent residency easy.
44:21
And so at the end of this process, what you get is you get a place to live too.
44:26
Mm-hmm.
44:27
So not only do you get to build the building you get return on your
44:31
investment and you get a place to live.
44:34
And that is only available to people who have a lot of money that can be without
44:39
like a million or $2 million for a few years while building's getting built.
44:44
And I think that that is bonkers.
44:47
So now you have permanent residency because you built
44:49
a building in South Florida.
44:51
Jerremy: Yes.
44:53
Well, um, I can see the pros and the cons to this deeply because the truth
44:59
is money makes everything easier.
45:01
Sure.
45:01
It makes everything faster, right?
45:03
It's one of the coolest lubricants in the world.
45:05
Money, time, and energy, like those are the only three things you can spend.
45:08
And you definitely would rather spend money than time and energy if you can.
45:12
The bridge,
45:13
Dave: what we also get around here is a bunch of empty buildings.
45:16
And that happens in New York City too.
45:18
Uh, I mean, so many of the buildings, and I saw it in San Francisco so many
45:23
of the buildings are essentially empty.
45:26
Uh, and I know people who live in London, same, same.
45:29
So it's people who have built those buildings have residencies.
45:33
Oh, perfect.
45:33
We can give those to the homeless
45:34
Jerremy: people.
45:34
Dave: Well, that's the thing is that, like these buildings are
45:38
empty, but somebody owns them, right?
45:40
And so mm-hmm.
45:41
Like in Florida, they might show up for a few weeks out of
45:43
the year, but that's it, right?
45:45
Yeah.
45:45
But they have permanent residency.
45:47
And so that is driving up the cost of housing here in South Florida, which
45:52
totally is, is, yeah, money is important and money's great and money's building
45:57
these buildings, but like, what's at the end of this rainbow is not great.
46:01
Jerremy: Well, again, what's back to my, one of my original solutions of the
46:05
whole, add, if you are a real estate developer or builder, there's a certain
46:09
percentage of what you have to build that goes directly towards a real estate
46:14
initiative, created homeless drive that focuses on putting people into a building.
46:20
It's like, Hey, you're gonna build an entire apartment complex in Miami.
46:22
Amazing.
46:23
You also have to donate $15,000 of that.
46:26
Of your profits, your procedure, your carrying costs, or the
46:28
equity that you took out after you built it, that's tax free.
46:31
Dave: Yeah.
46:32
Jerremy: You have to take a portion of that and give it to this real
46:35
estate initiative that builds homes for homelessness and put 'em in there.
46:39
But yeah, man, it is really, really interesting.
46:40
And again, should that be allowed?
46:43
I think the answer is yes.
46:44
It's a really hard to go, Nope.
46:46
Don't do capitalism in capitalist society.
46:50
Um, if you got a bunch of money.
46:52
Sure.
46:52
Because if you do want to take away this deficit, you go, listen, a million
46:58
dollars buys you a green card and you sell a million of those things.
47:06
Yeah.
47:06
A million times a million.
47:07
Dave: Yeah.
47:07
Jerremy: Yeah, that's gonna start chipping away a little bit at this
47:10
deficit like that if they're spending it correctly, and sourcing it correctly
47:14
and facilitating it correctly.
47:15
And so these are, you know, again, to me, really fascinating discussions.
47:18
And man, I just cannot wait to keep picking each one of these apart.
47:22
Mm-hmm.
47:23
I think that's what's gonna be most fun is really picking a certain portion of
47:28
this immigration issue apart and providing it to our panelists and saying, okay,
47:32
hey, border patrol, let's solve it.
47:34
Hey, immigration status, let's solve it.
47:36
Yeah.
47:36
Um, let's figure out some really cool constraints and things that
47:41
are working and things that are not working, and things that you could do
47:43
and things that you would do better.
47:44
And it's just gonna be a really, really a fascinating topic.
47:46
On that note, for all of our listeners, if you have ideas, thoughts, opinions,
47:50
perspectives, or solutions that you're like, man, I would really love
47:54
to just give some of my insight, my thought, my deliberation on this topic.
47:58
Hit us up and let us know how we can, uh, bring you on or at least propose
48:02
your ideal a little bit more seriously.
48:04
Dave: Love it.
48:04
Alright here's a hot button one, and then, we'll, I think we'll wrap it up there.
48:09
Uh, birthright citizenship.
48:11
14th Amendment says straight up, you're born here, you're a citizen.
48:17
And this is getting challenged in the courts.
48:20
Now, I did a deep dive on this, uh, because I was like, oh, of course,
48:24
the 14th Amendment says, it turns out that there is, there are some
48:29
bits and pieces that have never been litigated, never been through the courts.
48:34
There is some ambiguity in there that is just never been defined, right?
48:38
Like, I think, you know, I think on the, on the service of it, most people will
48:42
be like, oh, yeah, that's pretty clear.
48:43
You know, like if you're born here, you're a citizen, but there's a clause
48:47
in there that says you're a citizen.
48:50
If you are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and, uh, this, the
48:58
14th Amendment was specifically built for slaves, saying, okay, you know,
49:04
like if you're born in the United States and you're a slave, like nobody can
49:07
deny you, you are an American citizen.
49:09
And it was never meant for anybody who was from outside of the United States.
49:18
It, you know, specifically it carves out legislatively.
49:22
You know, like if you're, if you have a kid here and you're an ambassador no, no.
49:26
You, you're not a, you're not a citizen because you're not subject to the
49:30
jurisdiction of the United States.
49:32
Where this gets kind of squirrely is, if you don't have a, you know, if you
49:37
don't have a legal right to be here, like if your parents are, quote, uh,
49:41
undocumented, are you actually subject to the laws of the United States or not?
49:46
And it's a maybe not, because you know, like there's certain rights that you
49:51
don't have because you are undocumented.
49:53
Like you couldn't get drafted or, you know, like you actually, couldn't, be
49:57
penalized for not paying federal taxes.
50:00
You know, like there's certain rights and privileges that you do not have because
50:04
you, you know, you are not a citizen and you don't have the right to be here.
50:08
So are you fully, part of the jurisdiction of the United States?
50:13
And it has been tried, you know, like there was what was called
50:16
the Arc case over a hundred years ago, which had to do with.
50:21
The Chinese, and it was legal authorized or like permanent residence that happened
50:27
to be Chinese born, that had a child.
50:29
And the child, went back to China and then came back and then was deported.
50:34
And the Supreme Court said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, this is an American citizen.
50:38
And so like, that has been the foundation.
50:41
Mm-hmm.
50:41
But they were permanent residents and so like, it actually has never, ever
50:46
been adjudicated to be like, oh, it is your birthright if you are here.
50:52
But it, nobody's ever said, well, okay, certain classes of
50:57
people, they are not citizens.
50:59
Are undocumented people, citizens or not.
51:02
And so by birth.
51:04
And so that, that is, that is an interesting thing.
51:07
I think it, do you what's your, what's your thoughts and feelings on this?
51:11
Jerremy: Agreed.
51:11
Very fascinating.
51:12
Number one.
51:13
Number two, I'm glad it's getting some attention because again, that's
51:15
probably one a lot of people are like, dude, most people don't even
51:18
know how many amendments we have.
51:20
Right?
51:20
So to be clear, it's like, yes, that one definitely should, especially with
51:25
all this essentially turmoil, right?
51:28
Being arose arisen about immigration.
51:31
Dave: Yeah.
51:31
Jerremy: I think that's one where we probably need a
51:33
little bit more light on her.
51:34
We need a little bit more freshness because again, if you do have two
51:38
illegal immigrants that come across the line that she's eight and a half months
51:42
pregnant and they boom, have a baby.
51:44
Dave: One of the most critical things actually.
51:46
The original case was the Supreme Court in the Wong case, and I think
51:51
this was like in the 1880s, right?
51:53
Like as, so it's, it's been a hot minute.
51:55
The Supreme Court at the time, on their case, they said it's
51:58
British common law, right?
52:00
Like so it's mm-hmm.
52:00
It's, it's found.
52:01
So like that's what we'll go back to.
52:03
It's British common law.
52:05
And it was like, okay it, and it's like, it's some Latin term for like by blood.
52:10
And so, by the simple fact that you are in the country and you are
52:15
born there, then by blood you, you are a citizen of Great Britain.
52:20
Here's the thing though.
52:22
That was changed.
52:23
You do not get instant citizenship if you are just born in the uk.
52:29
It is.
52:29
It fundamentally changed.
52:31
In fact, the United States is among few countries, like almost
52:35
no countries in the world.
52:37
Do you get.
52:38
Automatic citizenship.
52:40
Yeah.
52:40
You know, the United Kingdom doesn't do it like nobody envisioned like modern
52:45
immigration practices and patterns.
52:47
Like, there are people who do birth tourism where they will come to
52:52
the United States and hang out for a couple of months, give birth to
52:56
their child, and then you go back to wherever they're from, just so that
52:59
their child can have a US passport.
53:01
So like the whole foundation of this was British common law that was the
53:04
original, but that's all changed.
53:06
I'm like, oh, okay.
53:07
That's curious.
53:08
So I, fundamentally, I think like if you're born in the United States,
53:12
you're definitely a US citizen.
53:13
I think that makes sense to me.
53:15
But I totally get where people are coming from on this one.
53:19
Jerremy: Oh, me too, man.
53:19
Yeah.
53:20
I think, like I said, to your point, it's good to be, it's good to get addressed.
53:23
It's good to look over and just, Hey, can we make any tweaks, any adjustments there?
53:27
Is there any rules, regulations, just a little bit more redefine it or definement?
53:32
Um, same thing.
53:32
I think probably what'll stem from that might be the marriage thing too, right?
53:37
Where it's just like, Hey, we just need to make sure that you
53:39
have this to your point, right?
53:40
You gotta go through a lawyer.
53:41
Ugh.
53:42
Dave: Yeah.
53:42
Jerremy: Could you slash should you need to do that, right?
53:44
If you got born here, like, let's just make sure you go through
53:46
this lawyer process anyway.
53:48
I think having it go through the court system and be an issue for debate
53:53
and issue for conversation, I think is very, very valid and valuable.
53:56
Dave: Yeah.
53:56
Jerremy: Totally.
53:57
Yep.
53:58
Yeah, man, it's gonna be a great topic, Dave.
54:00
I can't wait to get some incredible guests and just have some beautiful
54:02
discussions and learn more and share more and grow more and have more thoughts
54:06
and insights poured into our brain as we continue to build this really,
54:10
really incredible, uh, presidential run.
54:14
Dave: It's gotta be great.
54:15
Jerremy: Yep.
54:15
Dave: Wrap us up.
54:16
We're, uh, that's it.
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Jerremy: exactly.
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