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Football at Four: Updating the Latest Eagles Transactions and Injuries · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  We'll have the Phillies and the Brewers, by the way,
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  Brewers closer Trevor McGill just put on the injured list
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  with a pretty serious injury there. And I say serious,
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  but I don't know they'll pitch anytime soon for the
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  rest of the season. We'll have that when we get
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  the Phillies lineup. It has not come out yet, but
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  Jeff Bocher from Inside the Birds dot Com, the Inside
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  of the Birds podcast, and Philly Voice is here as
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  the Eagles are back on the practice field for the
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  first time since all of the moves have been made. Jeff,
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  and obviously the big news at practice today landon Dickerson
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  back on the field and practicing with the first team.
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  It looks like those questions will be answered about Thursday night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. AJ Brown too, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: I know there were a lot of people who are
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  concerned about AJ Brown delayed or prolonged absence with the hamstring,
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  So good news there. Obviously, the Eagles made some really
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  interesting moves for their fifty three man roster and then
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  made as they always do.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we call it the initial fifty three man.
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  Speaker 3: They made some other moves today, but yeah, very good
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  to see the land of Dickerson is out there.
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  Speaker 4: A J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown's out there pretty much full strength as they're heading
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  into their season opener.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look at some of the roster decisions that
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  they made and how he did say not done. You know,
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  always going to continue to look, but he said, we're
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  not done here, We're not done. Now. Do you think
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  that means some of the little things that he's done
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  taate or is there something still bigger that you think
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  how he's still looking at?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what I think.
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  Speaker 3: You know, one of the things we spoke about the
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  other day was that they would look for some interior
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  offensive line help, specifically guards center, and they did get
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  that in Lampkin. Not that he's played, you know, he
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  doesn't have NFL experience, but he's someone that they can
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  develop there.
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  Speaker 2: Edge depth is still to me an area that they'll
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  look at.
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  Speaker 3: But you know that might be something that they have
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  to look at after they see what they've got, unless
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  something becomes available in the next twenty four to forty
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  eight hours that they just can't say no to. But
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  that's a position where teams aren't trying to give away
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  good players at that position.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know that, you know they Yesterday, I
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  thought was one of the more interesting parts of the
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  press conference where Nick was asked about punt returner. They
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  do not have a traditional punt returner on the roster.
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  They do have guys who do return punts, Cooper to Gene.
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  Give me your thoughts on that, and you know whether
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  the Eagles are reluctant to use Cooper or Dotson in
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  that role or obviously Devonte Smith has done it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't speak of the Eagles as a monolith here.
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  Speaker 3: Vic Fangio is reluctant or adamant, I should say about
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  not wanting Cooper to Gene to return punts for obvious
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  injury reasons, but that may be the case anyway. John
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  Dotson has been doing a lot of punt returning in camp,
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  so he might be the first person to get that
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  opportunit community as well, and we'll see if anybody else
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  kind of emerges, you know, did they wound up waving
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  or no releasing Avery Williams. He was someone who when
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  he came here, we thought would handle those responsibilities, but
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  it just never materialized that all for him to spend
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  all that enthusiasm that Nick Sirianni had for him at
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  the owner's meetings.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's look at some of the things that
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  they did do here. Let's start with now today. Charlie Hewlett,
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  the long snapper, he got released. They put him back
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  on the practice squad today. So I guess that means
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  that they felt that somebody was going to sign him,
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  Is that what they because it doesn't make a lot
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  of sense to do what they did, right, Well.
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  Speaker 2: No, they didn't think.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't think anybody was going to sign him. That's
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  why they enabled them to keep a guy for an
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  extra day as they sorted out and they themselves saw
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  who was going to be available on the waiver wire,
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  right and then so they saw that a guy like
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  Lampkin was available.
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  Speaker 2: They were able to, uh, they were able to then.
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  Speaker 3: Wave Trevor Keagan a daily after all the cunts, which
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  helps them to try to get him back onto their
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  practice squad. He was a fifth round pick from the
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  year before, and then obviously bringing in hewittt you know,
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  they had to make a corresponding move. And though they
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  wave Tristan McCollum and again, could he get claimed between
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  now and next and noon tomorrow, Yeah, they could. But
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  a lot of teams are already finalizing their practice squads
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  by now and their fifty threes. And I don't think
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  mccollm's the kind of player that team might change their
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  mind about.
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  Speaker 2: But you never know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say he was a guy, you know,
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  a little surprising, like to see, hey, why McCollum. He
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  was the guy that played last year when there were
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  some injury issues ahead of Sydney Round. Now we know
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  they didn't think Sydney was really ready last year, But
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  I guess that says that maybe McCollum is definitively the
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  third guy in the race there, maybe even deeper at
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  that safety spot.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I wrote this column yesterday Mike for
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  Philly Voice that I would encourage people to check out
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  because I trying.
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  Speaker 4: To get perspective on one of the unique things that
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  goes due from a roster perspective to try to win
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  Super Bowls, but also have a lot of future talent
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  down the road, talent so that a guy like Gabe
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  Hall or a guy like Jordan Malatta, right, who's not.
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  Speaker 2: Ready year one but could be ready by year two, three,
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  or four. You want to keep those guys.
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  Speaker 3: So the ECUs of eleven offensive linemen eleven right, you
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  only start five, and you get three backups active on
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  game day. So now they're carrying three offensive linemen who
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  will probably never see the field. Cameron Williams being one
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  lampkin may never see the field this year. And you know,
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  hitting is on pup. So when he's right, when he's
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  healthy or I'm sorry, he's on high R.
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  Speaker 2: I think when he's healthy he'll he'll be on they'll
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  make a move.
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  Speaker 3: My point is you got to go light at other
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  areas to go heavy like that in one. So they
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  have with Cooper de Jean's ability to play safety, they
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  have a fourth safety. His name is Cooper to gen right,
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  because he becomes that guy next to Blanket Ship and
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  mccooba and of course and Sydney Brown. And by the way,
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  mccoba is not practicing today, So that just shows you
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  how thin they are at safety, but you have.
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  Speaker 2: That versatility to be able to use Cooper to gene there.
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  Speaker 3: So it gives you the ability to keep the eleven
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  lineman go a little fitter at safety because you've cross
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  trained a guy at Nickel in safety.
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  Speaker 1: Uh Kaylin Grantson, Kylon Grantson is the guy who made
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  it as the third tight end there, But does he
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  profile as the as the third guy that this that
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  fits with this team needs.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really know what they're doing there, to be
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  honest with you, you know, I feel like his skill
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  set is redundant.
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  Speaker 2: He's a pass catching, he's a he's an h back
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  type of tight end.
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  Speaker 3: Can move him around. I mean, he's a good weapon,
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  can stretch the field from that position. But you know
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  they also have Dallas Goddard and Grant Calcutta who could
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  do that. Honestly, I think you know, one of the
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  reasons E. J. Jenkins was brought back to the practice
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  squad is because he can be elevated and be a
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  blocking tight end. He's better at that than cal Katara
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  and Grantson is. And this team likes to play a
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  lot of twelve personnel, right, so it wouldn't surprise me
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  if he is one of that first guys elevated in
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  these throughout these first few weeks as they figure out
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  they're fifty three ongoing. I don't know where the where
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  the room outside of special teams, I don't know where
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  you're going to see Kylan Grants and contribute offensively all.
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  Speaker 1: Right at on the offensive side of the ball. And
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  obviously Darius Cooper made the team Terrace Marshall on the
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  practice squad, but they went with five wide receivers. And
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  his funny part is, you know you have Cooper here
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  and he's the story of the camp. You know, this
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  guy is an undrafted guy out of Tarleton State. But
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  then now that the season's here, does he have a
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  role on this team? How do you kind of see this?
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  Because the wide receiver room is a lot more interesting
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  that it's been the last couple of years in terms
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  of the talent that they have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is fluid. I think it's
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  fair to say that you know who your top three are,
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  and you know.
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  Speaker 3: That ninety percent of the volume of the passing offense
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  is going to go through the top three. And when
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  I say top three, what I really mean is Brown,
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  Dots and I'm sorry Brown, Dealante Smith and Dallas Goddard.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we'll see if John Dottson can carve out
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  a little bit more of a role.
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  Speaker 3: But behind that, Johnny Mitchie still has to learn the
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  offense and get acclimated. And you know he's also a
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  guy who you really don't know what you're getting. Darius
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  Cooper was so impressive in camp it would not surprise
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  me if the Eagles tried to get him on the
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  field in certain situations like where you maybe have four
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  wide five wide packages and see what you're getting out
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  of him. And there's no saying he can't be by
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  the middle of the year the fourth receiver, right, or
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  if he's more impressive than Johan Dottson the third.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if they got to figure out and then real
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  NFL games, can he play, get open and catch pass well?
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  Speaker 1: And the big thing is, let's say aj Brown, who
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  looks like he was back on the practice field. But
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  if Brown and Smith have been hurt over the years,
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  they've been a complete disaster on offense, they're much better equipped.
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  Not that you're all of a sudden going to be,
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  you know, scoring thirty points a game, but you're much
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  better equipped. If one of those guys is not playing,
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  then you've been.
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  Speaker 3: Theoretically, theoretically theoretically, I I'm really I don't want to
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  go there yet because I just don't know what you
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  got out of Metchi and Darius Cooper to say that
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  if A. J. Brown missed three weeks again, that's injury.
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  That they're in better shape than last year. Last year's
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  number four was I guess Johnny Wilson, was it?
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  Speaker 2: Or Wilson? Yea, So maybe, I mean we're still talking
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  Harris Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: Right at times.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think their inclination is to say they're
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  better off. But I don't know Jodny Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: If Johnny Wilson doesn't get hurt, he makes the team,
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  who's out.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great question, you know, I don't know. Maybe
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  you're not keeping eleven offensive linemen, then you know, maybe
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  you're not keeping maybe you're not keeping that fifth edge
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  Inconquo oconquo, right, but you probably are because you need
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  that guy to play special teams.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody is probably a little bit happy inside the Johnny
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  Wilson then make the couldn't make it all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let's go to defense. You just mentioned them. Oh Benaya,
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  Oh cor ron COO. He made the team. He made
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  the team. But we think they're still looking for an
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  edge rusher. Is it a marginal edge rusher or are
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  they trying to swing for someone to usurp Jalx Hunt.
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  Speaker 3: No, you know they've got well, I mean, listen, they
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  want to develop chillicks Hunt. They've got to see what
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  they've they've gotten him. I mean, it's interestingly it feels
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  like right now he's a little bit more advance in
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  the run defense than pure pass rusher. But again, training
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  camp can be a big, big disguise for you and
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  not let you see the real story. I'm actually more
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  concerned about Nolan Smith because he had.
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  Speaker 2: The shoulder injury and.
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  Speaker 3: They're only playing them on one side of the defensive
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  line because they wanted that right shoulder that was hurt
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  to be on the outside, not on the inside, So
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  they were lining them up over the left tackle only
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  so that only is his inside left shoulder would get
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  the contact.
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  Speaker 2: So then that menu it's the guy coming.
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  Speaker 3: Off the tristeps surgery too. So if they're looking for somebody,
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  they're looking for somebody who could come in and be
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  an important piece of the rotation if they're going to
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  bring someone in, and that probably would just mean more
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  for and Ojelari than say, Jaelex Hunt. But to your point,
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  if Hunt's not rushing the passer the way they want,
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  then maybe you might see some changes there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where you know, you know, we'll see
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  how much they rely on Hunt early in the season
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  and how much they trust some of those other guys. Right,
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  we should get a pretty good indication right off the
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  bat on whether or not Hey Oji or has won
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  that battle of the guy who gets I don't know
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  what thirty percent of the snaps.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really you know, anticipating the first like third
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  down on Thursday night. You know, I assume it's going
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  to be Carter and a Dromo on the inside and
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  Hunt and uh Hunt and Smith on the outside, but
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  I don't know that, So I I'm very curious to
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  see what Vic's first four man rush is going to be. Yeah, absolutely,
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  And if he's if he's pulling the trigger on a
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  few sim sim pressures or or or creeper pressures, which is,
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  you know the same thing as a SAM but they
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  have they it's a little bit more of a delay blitz.
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  That'll show you that he's got a little bit of
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  concern because he's already dialing up.
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  Speaker 2: A certain type of pressure or a certain type of look.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, Sam Howe was taking the backup reps today. It
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  looks like he's going to be the number two guy,
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  at least for a week. Number one Kyle McCord is
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  back on the practice squad on that side of the
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  ball when you take a look at some of the
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  signings today. But I do want to go back to
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  offense on Sam hal real quick. And you know, if
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  somebody called you about Tanner McKee, would the Eagles have interest?
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  Speaker 2: What month are we talking about tomorrow?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, okay, So they want to another They want
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  McKee here for the full season.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, of course it's gonna be a first of all,
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  if someone was gonna call about Tanner McKee, they were
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  gonna not wait till till tomorrow right to do it.
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  Speaker 2: It would have been a month ago, three weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: I asked that, you're right, we just saw picket get
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  traded the other day. So if he's not hurt, you
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  wonder if the Raiders are saying I'd rather make that
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  call then maybe you know, obviously Cleveland makes a lot
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  of sense. They had four quarterbacks on that roster, right.
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  Speaker 2: Plus the Raiders are trying to get a quarterback on
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  the cheap, which he did. I mean, you're not getting
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  that's true. You're not calling up Howie and flipping a
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  fifth forward Danner McGain, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Anayah Smith, he's going to Carolina. He obviously was one
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  of the punt return options there. He doesn't make it.
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  We were talking about wide receiver earlier. But just for
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  the people out there, Smith is now not a practice
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  squad guy. He ended up going to Carolina. It looks like,
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  let's stick back to the defense. Gabe Hall up front
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  and Byron Young, those two guys. Thoughts on them in
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  terms of they're okay with them as part of their rowation.
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  It's going to be Davis Carter, Ojomo and then those two, right, yep.
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  Speaker 3: And that's part of the uniqueness I'm talking about. You know,
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  the Raiders released this guy who was a third round pick.
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  I'm talking about Gable Byron Young, but both fall.
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  Speaker 2: In that same boat.
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  Speaker 3: One was a rookie free agent who should have been drafted,
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  but wasn't and the Eagles took chances on them and
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  had them lash. I think, if I'm not mistaken, Young
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  was a waiver claim, so he was on. That was
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  on the fifty three last year, in active all year.
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  Speaker 2: I forget. I think that might have been the case.
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  But again, they wanted both of those guys to develop.
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  They're happy with how they're developed them. I'm curious to see.
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  I wouldn't be surprised if.
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  Speaker 3: Gabe specifically got a little more run early on and
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  Ty Robinson the fourth round rookie, because I think Time
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  just needs to learn. He needs to understand the NFL
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  game a little better, the discipline of it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they want him as a liability out
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  there in certain run.
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  Speaker 3: Rundowns, So I wouldn't be surprised if Gable got a
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  decent amount of run.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Thursday Night, Ceede Lamb George picking some talent
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  at wide receivers. I guess it's gonna be a Dory
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  Jackson on one side and Quinon Mitchell on the other,
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  and of course Ced lines up in the slot a
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  lot so Cooper in there as well. But a Dory
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  is that the guy.
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  Speaker 3: I would imagine So the thing I think is interesting
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  is if the Cowboys had never traded for George Dickens,
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  we probably would have had an opportunity to see Vick's
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  first usage of Quinon Mitchell as a shadow guy. He
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  talked about that this summer, saying that's why he crossed
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  trained Quinyon at left and right corner, because there are
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  times where he's gonna want to use Quinyon against the
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  number one. I'm certain at least he said that, we'll see.
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  I've actually heard coaches say that a lot and then
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  never do it. So, but it's on the radar, right,
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  But now that the Cowboys have a secondary perimeter threat
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  who's pretty good, you got to think that.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be one guy on one side the other
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  guy in the other end.
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  Speaker 3: Plus, because CD plays the slot and moves around a lot,
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  it's hard to trail him anyway.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Uh, And then McCollum released today. So the
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  safety spot, as we talked about, with that, you got
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  who lines up one first down? Who's out there.
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  Speaker 3: At safety? I would imagine it's Cooper to Gene and
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  Sydney Brown. Well, wait, first down? Are the Cowboys in
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  twelve personnel?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: You need two safeties out there. You need well, you
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  need three corners. I'm sorry, you need three. You need
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  two corners and a slot corner Nickel.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well then yes, then Cooper's in the slot. But
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  if if the Cowboys come out with two tight ends
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  and it looks like they're gonna run the ball, you're
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  gonna see the Gene's safety. And by the way, another
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  they also cross trained Cooper at outside. So if you
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  did want to put Quinna on Mitchell and sort of
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  stick him on ceedee, lamb have him outside and go
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  inside when he did line up in the slot. When
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  he does line up the slot, you could have quinyon
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  there and then Cooper would not be uncomfortable then taking
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  the outside receiver in that way, it might be Jayalen
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  Tolbert or even of Pickens is on that side. So
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  smarter Vic to do those things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen. The only thing I would say that I
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  would be worried about this season with some of the
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  things on defense is the guys from last year. You
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  brought this up too, I think a couple of weeks ago.
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  But is Zach Bond as good or better than he
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  was last year? Cooper, quinnyon all those guys, are they
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  as good or better than they were a year ago.
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  It's a lot to ask, Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Sure is, I mean, sure is. But you know there's
• 17:31
  gonna be questions about the team, no doubt. But what
• 17:34
  is not questionable is that they do have a lot
• 17:36
  of talent, and talent WINSI games. So the Eagles, I imagine,
• 17:42
  will be in a lot of close games this year.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how many teams are gonna
• 17:46
  blow out.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: So we'll see if all that experience from last year,
• 17:49
  those young guys got the Djoelmo's, you know them trying
• 17:53
  to think of about you know, the Sydney Brown, just
• 17:55
  even as a backup. You know, guys like that who
• 17:58
  are stepping into the roles Tyler Stein the right guard.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: See how much that helped them.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Were there questions that you had coming into camp that
• 18:06
  have been answered or all those questions still remaining.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Questions coming into camp? Well, we certainly wondered who the
• 18:15
  right guard would be. And it's no question, I mean
• 18:18
  the Eagles answered that question. They made Tyler Stein the
• 18:20
  right guard, and I thought in the limited amount of
• 18:23
  work he got in the preseason, he looked good. We
• 18:25
  talked about the big block that he had on that
• 18:27
  big Shipley thirty eight yard run. I think that was
• 18:29
  against the Bengals. Now, we had some questions about depth
• 18:35
  at edge. I think those questions are still there, like
• 18:38
  we just thought. We just talked about that, questions about
• 18:41
  who would start next to Zach Bond, whether Campbell would
• 18:45
  be able to be that guy. And I think that
• 18:47
  no matter what I mean, he's starting now, I think
• 18:49
  that he'll be a rookie and probably make some rookie mistakes.
• 18:52
  But I also think with all that athleticism, he's gonna
• 18:54
  accidentally make some really good plays.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Mike. I mean, he's just gonna hit somebody hard.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: He's gonna wind up near a ball when it gets
• 19:00
  fumbled or turnout.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: He's that kind of guy.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: So I think that that's been a positive development for them.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Obviously, the questions are still at corner that we had
• 19:09
  going into camp.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: You know, it's Dory Jackson right now, Cobidge, Corean Bennett
• 19:13
  in a few weeks. I'm not sure that you're feeling
• 19:15
  that greater out either compared to what you got from Slang.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So we'll have to see well to see how it goes.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: All right well, tomorrow night, excuse me, a week from
• 19:24
  tomorrow night, the Eagles will get ready to play the
• 19:26
  Cowboys and you can listen to that game right here
• 19:28
  on ninety seven three ESPN. And the Eagles back on
• 19:33
  the practice field today. Got some good news, Landon Dickerson
• 19:35
  back on the field. Aj Brown back on the field.
• 19:37
  So it looks like the Eagle's gonna be pretty healthy
• 19:39
  going into game number one. And we'll have all the
• 19:42
  coverage for you right here during Football at four on
• 19:45
  ninety seven three ESPN. You can check out Jeff Moser
• 19:47
  over at Philly's voy Phillyvoice dot com, and of course
• 19:51
  the podcasts Inside the Birds with Adam Kaplan and Andrew
• 19:54
  to Checko over on all podcasting platforms, and we'll talk
• 19:58
  to you next week. Pal getting ready for the football
• 20:01
  season with Football at four, there's Jeff Bocher here on
• 20:05
  the Sports Bats Live ninety seven three ESPN.