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Uber-Feminist | Episode 30 · Propaganda

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for tuning in.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're listening to Propaganda with Mick and Jacob.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, Uber has announced nationwide and global expansion of their women-only rides program.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this isn't new news.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: They announced this back in the summer of 2024 that they would be featuring a new option that you when you select an Uber ride, you can select I want my driver to be woman.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Or when you're a driver, you can select I only want to pick up women.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: So this isn't new, but it's made the news cycle this week because they've expanded it nationally within the US and globally.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: Back in 2024, it was only in the United States, and it really only seemed to be select places.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: But it's sounding like it's gonna be the standard now.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, now great.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Women can pick up only women, they can have their little kumbaya moment.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: The only problem is we don't know what a woman is.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: Anyone can just claim you could ask for a woman, you could ask for a female driver and a dude shows up.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_04: Which, like, if you're in a city, which that's the most places people use Ubers, like you don't really use Ubers randomly outside the city, when you use an Uber and you're in a crazy left-wing city, uh, you could say, Yeah, I'd like to sit, I'd like to ride with only women, and then you get in the car and it's this dude who's looks like a woman, you know?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, well, okay.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and then also, this is kind of just like a side note I just thought of if you were a creep or wanted to kidnap people or wanted easier targets, can't you as a driver just select I only want to pick up women?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_04: And then how much can we filter, you know?
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I only want to pick up single young vulnerable women, you know?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like like I know it's like a dramatic example, but honestly, it's it's I don't know, if you were a freak Uber driver, that would be like the move, honestly.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because I see this and I'm like, well, I guess that's great.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, sure, if if you want to select who your driver is, I get it.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: But then I feel like this is also highlighting the problem because you're right, now a creep driver will be guaranteed to get what he wants.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: He'll be guaranteed to get a woman if he's trying to do whatever, you know?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then I in the modern day, we can't even define what a woman is.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: So when Uber comes out and they're like, all right, guys, you can select to only have a woman driver or only have um, you know, a woman passenger.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so what qualifies as a woman then?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Who is a woman?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: If I if anyone can claim to be a woman tomorrow, then is it really an exclusive group?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is it really protecting an exclusive group?
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: No, because anyone can be part of that group, right?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_04: Disqualifying factors, right?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because we can't even we can't even define what group we're trying to protect.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's just stupid.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: Any trans man, or let's just say a creep is taking advantage of the trans woke ideology where yeah, you can be a woman the next day if you feel like it.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Then yeah, he can just select, I'm a woman, actually.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a woman, and I'm gonna, I only want to pick up women, or I'm I'm a trans creep dude, and I just want to ride with women.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then what about non-binaries?
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Are aren't they part of what category are they part of then?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, in between.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_04: There's like a there's like a gender scale, and you can like slide back and forth.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, here's my thing too, is you're right.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_04: They're not gonna say no, you're not a woman.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_04: It could be a creepy dude that just says, Yep, I'm a woman today, and then boom, all of his targets, you know, he has easy access to women.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's where I'm confused.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Uber says women can select other women, but then they also can't tell you you're not a woman.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: So again, how does it protect women then?
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_04: If anyone can be a woman, if everyone's a woman, no one is right.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_04: Here's my thing.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_04: This is actually like the the man, man, woman, what that whatever, it doesn't matter.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_04: But this is actually a good idea.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_04: Because if you are a passenger and you got you just got in from a six-hour flight, you're exhausted, you're ran down, you're tired, you're this, this, and that, could you filter and say, hey, I want a experienced old white male driver that can get me to my destination efficiently, quickly, safely, no chit-chat, no loud music, no smelly drugs.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like, hold up.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_04: This is for the customer experience, you know?
• 4:56
  unknown: Right.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_04: And if you're a ride, uh an Uber rider, can you put a filter on what you want your driver to be?
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: And then again, they would say in that instance, that's terrible, right?
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's racist, that's evil, how dare you! But this is not that far from saying, Oh, I want my driver to be gay.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: I want my driver to be black because I only feel safe with other black people, you know.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I want my driver to only speak Spanish because I only speak Spanish, you know, and then like that's not that far from happening.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_04: I guarantee that's what they're working on next.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: I guarantee that's how they're rolling this out.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_04: Would it be so crazy to be like, yeah, this female Asian driver, oh, I know the stereotypes, but this female Asian driver, I don't want her driving me around at two in the morning when I just landed in my flight, you know?
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, totally.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Or I've been in an Uber where I we can't we don't even speak the same language.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: They can't understand what I'm trying to say.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_04: It happens all the time because of who drivers usually are.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you can't say, right, can we speak the same language, please?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_04: The point I'm trying to make there is if you can just choose if you want your driver to be a female or not, or if you want your passengers to be female or not, then where does the line stop?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_04: Can we just keep going with like filtering your absolute you know, right?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_04: Right, most specific details about who you want to be driving you.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, yeah, that's so true, actually.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even think about that.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: They probably will start rolling that out.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it'll probably be racist for white people to say they want other white people, but it'll be totally acceptable and fine for black people to say they only want black people, you know, it'll be some crazy stuff like that.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_04: I feel threatened, I feel insecure, I feel vulnerable, you know.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, then I'm like, as a woman, the only thing worse than some creepy Uber driver man is some creepy Uber driver man that thinks he's a woman that thinks he's just like me, you know?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm like, I don't want that either.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Can I filter that out?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like I want a biological woman, no in-between, no maybe the point of it is is when you select your Uber, your driver's random, like randomated anyways, randomized anyways, you know?
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_04: So this like helps scale it back and like filter who you want.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I guess maybe that's the pro of it.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_04: But again, like you're saying, if there's creep creepos on there, that just gives them guaranteed customers, you know.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm running a trafficking ring, then this is like this is perfect.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is give me what I need.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uber drivers can choose who they want to pick up, you know, they can choose what jobs they want to do.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: But if this guy, girl, tranny, whatever, freak, maybe it's just a dude who who says he's a girl, so he can pick up girls.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_04: If he just selects his to I only want to pick up females, then automatically he has a way easier time sorting through who he wants to pick up, you know?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_04: And I know that's like a I don't know.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's probably not often as often as you think, but it's definitely a possibility, you know?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: I I I mean, it's just funny that Uber is trying to create this women-only space, but we don't have that anymore.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's not allowed anymore because we have people that think they're this gender or that gender, or they don't even have a gender.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: We can't, we don't even have our own public restrooms.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: What makes you think that Uber is gonna be safe from that?
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's ridiculous.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: So and also something that I don't get either is when did we decide that women are innocent and like they're collectively not a threat.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like when like I understand men are also violent and they're much more predatory than women are, much more violent.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: I get it, I totally get it.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean women aren't.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Good point.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_04: We do we do assume in 2026, we do assume that no woman is ever capable of doing anything wrong or terrible or evil to you.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_04: When it's like, yeah, there's terrible men out there, but there's also plenty of bad women out there, you know.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely that have ulterior motives and bad desires, and you know.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: Jeffrey Epstein didn't run that ring alone, you know?
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't by himself, and it he just he didn't just hire men.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's a little naive to think too that okay, we're we're gonna just have the women drivers drive you around.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, there's some pretty bad ones too.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know if I want to highlight that I'm a woman alone to anybody, men or women.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like you you hear stories all the time of women, like a common tactic people use for kidnappings, you know, is they bring a woman with and she acts like helpless and lost and confused, you know, and then gets your help as another female, and then guys pull back behind you and then just kidnap you, you know, or they loop around in the car and grab both, you know.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's like that that happens.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's actually a fairly common tactic.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, very common actually.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's becoming more popularized because of stuff like this, because we're saying, Oh, it's just gonna be all the women now, all the women can have their little space over here.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, then they'll send their women in there.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: And because we're so naive to think that because because girlhood, because we can trust each other, nothing bad will happen.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: We'll never do anything to each other.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_04: The lie that feminism brings is that men and women are exactly the same.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: And men and w men and women are not exactly the same.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_04: We are better and worse at different things, we're designed differently, we have different things we're good at.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's kind of the flaw that feminism brings.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_04: But this point, this point of being able to choose your own female driver or your female passengers, that's kind of proves the point.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, okay, well, if women are the exact same as men, why does it matter if they can't or cannot ride with men?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_04: If men are the exact same as women, why does it matter?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_04: Why why don't men have an option then to choose male-only drivers, to choose male-only passengers, you know?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like or I'll take it a step further, if there's no gender, if that's just a social construct, why even bother?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_04: Why bother putting it at all for preferred, you know?
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I mean I I dug into a little bit more because I'm like, yeah, first, why are we even assuming that the women are the perfectly safe group of people to begin with?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I I just I don't know why we all just assume that.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: And globally, women make up about a third of the human trafficking perpetrators.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like they make up a third of it.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not, it's not like oh, a tiny little fraction, you know, it's women are 33% of trafficking perpetrators.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: I did not know that.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's a statistic.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: So like not just the United States, I don't globally, you know.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: That is one out of three trafficking perpetrators is women.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty high chances that you're gonna be in the car with someone like that, you know?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then I know I could I cause I cause I can already hear it.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: I can already hear the comments saying, but those are women that have no other choice.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: They they they're trying to do it for their kids and they're trying to get to start a life than traffic other people, right?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right, sure.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_04: Great excuse.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: That is again a very small percentage of it, too.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Over 70% of the women that go into this industry, into the sex trafficking industry, they are doing it to get drugs.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: So these are not your stand-up citizens, these are not your stand-up characters, these are not women that you should trust.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that right there, I don't understand why we're deciding that all other women automatically are trustworthy and will be safe with clearly not.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: That's crazy you found that.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_04: I um I wonder what happened about that.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_04: Because remember, you heard that they were testing it and rolling it out in certain cities, like you said last year, two years ago, at this point.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like now it's nationwide, now it's a full-on initiative from Uber, you know?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I feel like almost highlighting the problem makes it an even bigger problem.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I just I just found that interesting.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that this is a great thing that Uber is doing.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just gonna cause more issues.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like we see with the bathrooms.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, anyone can use the bathroom, you know.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, if anyone can use it, then anyone can go in there.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: If anyone can claim they're a woman, then anyone can be a woman.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And when we try to make these safe spaces for women, but then in the same breath we say that anyone can be a woman, then you don't you're not really creating this safe exclusive space because all we've harped about for the past 10 years is inclusivity.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: And now we're trying to be exclusive.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a break.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the inclusivity doesn't work.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_04: And this goes this goes beyond women, this goes beyond men, this is this is like that your programs at work, this is racial inclusivity, this is class incident, this is all this stuff.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: But the point of it is if you can't define what you're being inclusive about, um, there's actually nothing to include.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: There's nothing to exclude, there's nothing to include.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_04: Because you know the difference between anything.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_04: And the most obvious thing that we have today is gender, right?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_04: Because that's what you know, your your gender, what you're born with, well, you know, like that's the most obvious example we have.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um But you can't, if you can't define something, if you don't know what something is, you can't separate it.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_04: And when we live in this world today where everyone's included in all these different groups, well, except white people, they don't included in anything, but other people, they're all included in all these groups, you have to then define what what's a qualifier to be in that group, you know.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: Who's allowed to be, who's not allowed to be, why are they not allowed to be, what makes them different from people on the outside?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like, and with gender, you don't have that.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: So right, if Uber's gonna roll out this I like choice, this option that I can click to say I only want a woman driver or I only want to pick up women passengers, yeah, what has qualified them as a woman?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because right, like you said, for the past how many years I've been told that anything can be a woman.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: That actually a woman is not really a thing, it's just in our heads.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_04: What is a woman?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: What is a woman?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I'd like to see Uber answer that.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: If you're gonna say we're gonna create this safe space for women, what is a woman then?
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_04: And then again, carry it to its logical conclusion.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: If women are allowed to decide who they want to ride with and who they want their drivers to be, then why is that not extended to other groups?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Why is that not extended to language barriers, to uh people of different races and ethnicities, wanting to ride with people that share their background, you know?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, yeah.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's I'm not saying that that's like, oh, a great thing where that everyone's just separated and filtering who they want to ride with, but I'm saying if you're gonna allow it for women, the natural conclusion of that would be choosing every single group and identity that you want to belong with and riding with that person, you know.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_04: So I guarantee you, if this goes over like well for Uber, the next thing you'll see from this is LGBTQ or black.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: 100%.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're totally right, or Hispanic speaking.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: Hispanic speaking might be like, Yeah, I could see um with the World Cup being here in the US this summer, I could see them doing a Spanish-speaking, you know, alternative ride, alternative driver, you know.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: Or I mean there's gonna be lots of people from lots of different countries, not just Spanish-speaking countries, but doing some sort of language um filter, you know.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: So no, but then then we'll be bigoted, we'll be racist if we want to select English only.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_04: No, it won't be an option.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_04: It won't even be an option.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_04: What is it on the phone?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's like press one for English for Uber, it's just gonna be like, sorry, you get what you get, unless you don't want English, then you can choose.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's oh, totally.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: No, and they'll say English, and then it'll be like, oh hello, sir, how are you doing today?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, I can barely understand you, bro.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I guess it's English.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it counts.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:25
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