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Sit Yo 5 Dolla A$$ Down · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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Speaker 1: Coming up on this week's episode of Hip Hop Now podcast,
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Speaker 1: Barry Michael Cooper, writer of films like New Jack City
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Speaker 1: and Above the Rim, passes away, UMG claps back at
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Speaker 1: Drake ahead of Kendrick Lamar's upcoming Super Bowl halftime performance,
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Speaker 1: and a real question does lirical skill? Does lirical skill matter?
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Speaker 2: Again? I don't know, but we're gonna find out. Let's
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Speaker 2: do it. Welcome to JR Pop Now Podcast. If you
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Speaker 2: from the future, you know what this do. Get your
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Speaker 2: ass out of my back. Don't disrespect the leg la
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Speaker 2: hip hop is say the stay. Let's get raped to
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Speaker 2: tuned for that big shout out to hip Hop dx
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Speaker 2: dot com, All hip Hop dot Com, and a couple
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Speaker 2: of places like maybe the Source magazine dot com, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, hold up, I hit my mic, I'm bad,
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Speaker 2: a couple of places where I get some of these
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Speaker 2: stories from. Let's get right into the business stuff. So
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Speaker 2: if you don't know hip hop's history as it relates to.
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Speaker 1: Films, you know, obviously the early days like Wild Style
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Speaker 1: and Crush Groove and Breaking and Beach Street along with
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Speaker 1: you know not so kindly criticized films like Tougher than
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Speaker 1: Loving would run DMC and what was the Fat Boys
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Speaker 1: joint called?
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Speaker 2: I think it was called Delirious. But hip hop over
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Speaker 2: the years.
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Speaker 1: Had relationships relationships with the film industry, from those I
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Speaker 1: mentioned from the eighties to movies like Juice Back in
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Speaker 1: the Days that featured Tupac who was a rapper if
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Speaker 1: you didn't know right and also an actor, All Boys
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Speaker 1: in the Hood that featured Ice Cube prominently so, especially
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Speaker 1: throughout the nineties, there were plenty of hip hop films
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Speaker 1: that hip hop films, if you will. They weren't necessarily
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Speaker 1: about hip hop, but they either featured a rapper as
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Speaker 1: one of the actors or the tone right, the music,
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Speaker 1: the soundtrack, the dialogue, everything around it felt like pop
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Speaker 1: music and culture. Two of those that stand out to
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Speaker 1: me are New Jack City, starring Wesley Snipes but also
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Speaker 1: starring Ice Tea as a cop for the first time, right,
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Speaker 1: I know, I know Law and all the people we're like, nah,
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Speaker 1: been on there for ever before there was law and
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Speaker 1: on the ice team, there was this, there was New
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Speaker 1: Jack City, and another one being Above the Rim of
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Speaker 1: a Street Ball, you know, mainly New York City, both
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Speaker 1: New York City type films starring Tupac, Right, all kind
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Speaker 1: of all about basically all about the Rucker if you
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Speaker 1: heard of Rucker Park and basketball legendary Rucker Park in
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Speaker 1: those tournaments and stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: But it's you.
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Speaker 1: Needed people to bring these things together in a very
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Speaker 1: authentic way that hip hop fans, people from these kinds
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Speaker 1: of neighborhoods who had experienced some of these things, whether
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Speaker 1: it be you know, the drug cartels of the eighty
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Speaker 1: and I used cartels very loosely because it was just
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Speaker 1: teenagers up in Harlem. You know, stuff like that like
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Speaker 1: Paid in Full, you know, which also features camera and also,
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Speaker 1: you know the streetball culture before and One really took off.
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Speaker 1: You know, you had films like this that shine somewhat
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Speaker 1: of a light on it, but also shined the light
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Speaker 1: on everything everything else in that community. But I said
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Speaker 1: all that to say, one of the dudes who helped
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Speaker 1: to bring that together was writer Barry Moore who My
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Speaker 1: Bad Barry Michael Cooper who again, he was a screenwriter
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Speaker 1: on films like New Jack City and Above the Rim.
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Speaker 1: He also has credits in the movie sugar Hill if
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Speaker 1: you haven't seen that, and the Netflix version of She's
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Speaker 1: Got a Habit, which was like a remake of Spike
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Speaker 1: Lee's first film. He passed away recently. There's no this.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting this from hip hop d x dot com.
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Speaker 1: No cause of death has yet been revealed. He was
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Speaker 1: He was pretty young, I believe. I think he was
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Speaker 1: only something like fifty three something something, really young. I
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Speaker 1: know somebody who's young was like, oh, you know, that
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Speaker 1: old to me, But you don't understand. You get closer
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Speaker 1: to that age, you feel like I ain't ready to go,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like most people, so it's
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Speaker 1: not necessarily old.
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Speaker 2: It just depends on how you feel. And you know
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Speaker 2: your state of mind.
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Speaker 1: But with all that being said, I think in a
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Speaker 1: lot of ways, you know, this is a this is
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Speaker 1: a loss that impacts the hip hop community because again,
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, we celebrated fifty years of hip hop,
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Speaker 1: whereas there are other music genres that date way further
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Speaker 1: back than that, way further back to that. Blues is
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Speaker 1: like the beginning of time, and jazz is jazz is
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Speaker 1: almost like the beginning of time too. So there's other
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Speaker 1: art forums that are much older and speaking to a
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Speaker 1: topic that's gonna happen a little bit later.
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Speaker 2: I think with.
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Speaker 1: Hip hop turning fifty, which we said, isn't that old,
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Speaker 1: is gonna reach a point and I think we're reaching
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Speaker 1: that point of maturation. But at this point in time,
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Speaker 1: when these types of films were happening, hip hop from
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Speaker 1: the eighties was still feeling like a new thing, right,
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Speaker 1: and especially as it relates to the film industry, that's
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Speaker 1: when you really started to see it make an imprint
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Speaker 1: on the film industry. Because there's plenty of people in
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Speaker 1: hip hop who act like DMX was an actor, right,
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Speaker 1: ll COOLJ commons an actor, Like we've seen other people
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Speaker 1: like Beanie Siegel and Jay Z a little bit right
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Speaker 1: fifty cent. We've seen a lot of hip hop stars
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Speaker 1: getn to acting, and again, at this point in time nineties,
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Speaker 1: you needed guys like Barry Michael Cooper to basically take
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Speaker 1: what they know from hip hop from the streets, in
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Speaker 1: particular with these movies from New York and translate that
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Speaker 1: not only for that audience, but for all audiences black, white,
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Speaker 1: South West Coast or whatever, to be able to relate
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Speaker 1: to the characters. And I think he did an excellent
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Speaker 1: job considering the time.
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Speaker 2: Right, considering the time.
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Speaker 1: That was, I would say where you could see probably
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Speaker 1: people working in the film industry either not wanting to
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Speaker 1: do these types of films but knowing is lupiing in
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Speaker 1: with the black community, or wanting to change it in
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Speaker 1: a way that wasn't as authentic as the people who
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Speaker 1: come from these places. And I think he did an
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Speaker 1: excellent job doing some of that. And you know, I
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Speaker 1: just wanted I just wanted to take the time to
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Speaker 1: acknowledge him and his work.
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Speaker 2: Say rest in peace.
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Speaker 1: Obviously going too soon, but when you leave an imprint
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Speaker 1: like that, not only as far as going to watch
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Speaker 1: the films today, and check them out. But those of
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Speaker 1: us who were, you know, coming of age at the time,
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Speaker 1: and these were the movies, Like there was a time
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Speaker 1: in the nineties where these types of movies. It was
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Speaker 1: like they were coming out like clockwork. And you know,
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Speaker 1: from Menister Society to Brooklyn, I mean Crookland, not Crookland,
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Speaker 1: what's the other joint straight out of Brooklyn?
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Speaker 2: All these different films, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Then Atlanta got involved with their stuff, so it was
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Speaker 1: like this renaissance of black films and telling stories from
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Speaker 1: these neighborhoods that weren't all centered around some kind of
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Speaker 1: drug game or some blaxploitation stuff from the past. These
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Speaker 1: were authentic urban if you will, stories written by us.
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Speaker 1: So rest in peace to Barry Michael Cooper. You will
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Speaker 1: be missed, but your work lives on, brothern So now
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Speaker 1: let's get into what seems to not want to go away.
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Speaker 1: Obviously I get tired of talking about it, but it
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Speaker 1: impacts the future of hip hop in a lot of ways.
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Speaker 2: Especially Battle Rap.
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Speaker 1: I talked a lot about Drake and Kendrick Lamar and
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Speaker 1: how Drake's initial petitions, especially against the record. Now like
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Speaker 1: us was kind of not hip hop, like it's just
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Speaker 1: not a hip hop thing to do for somebody who
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Speaker 1: is quoted as saying I studied battle rap for a living,
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Speaker 1: go look it up. He set it on Lebron James
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Speaker 1: show The Shop, which I don't really watch that, but
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Speaker 1: I've seen that clip. But to sue in a battle
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Speaker 1: where deflamation is kind of what battle rap is. Nobody
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Speaker 1: in the history of hip hop has ever sued. But
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Speaker 1: he's not suing Kendrick Lamar. He's suing Universal Music Group.
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Speaker 1: The petitions were canceled, but then Drake popped out with
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Speaker 1: an official federal lawsuit against Ung about the song not
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Speaker 1: Like Us and how it's popular and how they helped
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Speaker 1: the song become popular because it was like negotiation tactics,
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Speaker 1: you know, make Drake seem like he's not the big
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Speaker 1: star he is so they can give him less money.
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Speaker 1: And also the song calling him a PDF on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: I cannot say the words, so you get what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: P D five, I am the f okay, you know.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: But you know all these things regarding a battle rap, Well,
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Speaker 1: we waited, and we waited because we knew what Drake's
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Speaker 1: position was like I spoke about on past episodes and
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Speaker 1: live streams, and UMG has responded, this is on hip
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Speaker 1: Hop dx dot com, so you can check them out,
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Speaker 1: Drake says, or.
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Speaker 2: Basically about Drake.
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Speaker 1: UMG demands dismissal of not Like Us petition over lack
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Speaker 1: of evidence. Drake's legal battle with Universal Music Group could
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Speaker 1: set to take another dramatic turn, as the music conglomerate
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Speaker 1: has asked a Texas court to toss out the pre
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Speaker 1: action petition he filed against them in November, which is
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Speaker 1: still active. So that petition in Texas is actually still active.
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Speaker 1: But all of this stuff relates to be honest even
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Speaker 1: to his federal situation as far as their position. An
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Speaker 1: emotion to dismiss filed in I guess this is Bexer
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Speaker 1: County on Thursday, January twenty third. UMG claims that the
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Speaker 1: Toronto rapper, who is signed to them through Republic Records,
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Speaker 1: has insufficient evidence to support his allegation that they engaged
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Speaker 1: in Paola to spread Kendrick's hit this song. Not Like
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Speaker 1: Us company also argues that the release and promotion of
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Speaker 1: the track is protected under the First Amendment. That is
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Speaker 1: key He's a quote before I finished. Because Drake's petition
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Speaker 1: is related to and was filed in response to UMG's
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Speaker 1: protected free speech, and because Drake cannot carry his burden
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Speaker 1: to established by clare and specific evidence that he is
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Speaker 1: entitled to pre suit discovery, the court should dismiss Drake's
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Speaker 1: What is this legal action against UMG?
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Speaker 2: This is what it says. Let's see this a little
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Speaker 2: bit more.
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Speaker 1: Drake provides nothing outside of his verified petition, which alone
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Speaker 1: cannot provide an evidentary basis evidence basis for a petition.
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Speaker 1: Even looking into the petition, there's no evidence that supports
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Speaker 1: his asserted need for presuit disposition of UMNG. And the
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Speaker 1: last thing I read, The Music Giant also calls drizzies
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Speaker 1: claim that they secretly funneled payments to radio stations to
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Speaker 1: play not like us hearsay and not admissible as evidence. So,
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Speaker 1: long story short, UMG is like proven, get this crap
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Speaker 1: out of here. You're making false accusations about freedom of speech,
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Speaker 1: especially as it relates to a battle in which in
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Speaker 1: which you started because we want to say, you know, like.
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Speaker 2: That was it?
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Speaker 1: No, that was a response, like that was a response
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Speaker 1: to first person shooting. Right, Let's not forget that part.
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Speaker 1: When you're making your little playlist of the battle, start
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Speaker 1: with first person shooting, then put like that on man
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Speaker 1: and the personals came once Drake started to talk about
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Speaker 1: Kenji's wife, his partner, his kids, even even though the
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Speaker 1: song was pulled down, even on the record where he
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Speaker 1: was making Tupac's voice, baiton Kendrick into talking about him
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Speaker 1: being a PDF. So in a lot of ways, these
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Speaker 1: if you want to take not like us lyrics and say,
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Speaker 1: oh look at this song, it's a defamation of my character,
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Speaker 1: look at what is saying about me, and look at
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Speaker 1: these lyrics. Why wouldn't you look at the lyrics that
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Speaker 1: he created or someone ghost Ritt or whatever and say, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: here you are provoking these situations, and in its totality,
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Speaker 1: it's what battle rap is like. Drake's not wrong for
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Speaker 1: going where he went, but he can't say Kendrake is
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Speaker 1: wrong for responding in the way he did because it
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Speaker 1: is the essence of battle rap and dis records something
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Speaker 1: that Drake said, and I quote from the shop with
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Speaker 1: Lebron James and them in the shop featuring Drake. I
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Speaker 1: study battle rap for a living. So if defamation is
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Speaker 1: an integral part of the history of Battle Rap. Why
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Speaker 1: is Drake so surprised by these what's being said about
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Speaker 1: him that he feels like like he should suit when
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Speaker 1: he started the defamation.
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Speaker 2: So again, it's not even about picking sides.
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Speaker 1: I like Drake music, I got, I got the albums,
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Speaker 1: I got a playlist that I listen to and stuff
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Speaker 1: like that.
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Speaker 2: But this is.
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Speaker 1: Unheard of, and more importantly, it's really being done to
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Speaker 1: prevent not like Us from being performed at the super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: That's what he's afraid of. That's what he's most afraid of.
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Speaker 1: He don't care what else he performs. He's really worried
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Speaker 1: about that song and why that song when Kendrick dropped,
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Speaker 1: like what for diss records that song in particular, it's
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Speaker 1: not just because of what he's saying, it's because of
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Speaker 1: how popular it actually wants. And now they about to
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Speaker 1: have one big final celebration on your old graph, which
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Speaker 1: is crazy where you think about it. So I get
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Speaker 1: his fear, I get his apprehension. But what Drake has
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Speaker 1: shown us with this battle is that that song keeps
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Speaker 1: getting life from him, like he's giving it life every
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Speaker 1: time we settle in and forget about it.
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Speaker 2: He comes out with a freestyle, or he does something
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Speaker 2: to say yo round two or whatever. He keeps bringing
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Speaker 2: it back up.
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Speaker 1: And now he's brought it back up in such a
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Speaker 1: way with this lawsuit that seems weird in a sense
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Speaker 1: of battle rather like I get his points about the
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Speaker 1: damage inside of the record, but he was doing the
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Speaker 1: same thing.
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Speaker 2: He just didn't win. I think with this.
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Speaker 1: Now people want to see more, like, what is Kenre
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Speaker 1: gonna do? Even if he doesn't perform not like us,
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Speaker 1: You're gonna have people tuning in to the halftime show
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Speaker 1: just to see will he do it? And you're helping
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Speaker 1: with the promotions which have started. If you're watching the
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Speaker 1: NFL playoffs, you've seen their advertisements for it. But this
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Speaker 1: week in particular, it has picked up with a Apple
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Speaker 1: Music promo announce it basically that Scissor would you know.
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Speaker 1: Obviously Scissor would be his guest, but there's also reason
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Speaker 1: to believe Tyler the creator will also be a guest,
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Speaker 1: and then maybe somebody else. I'll just say this, if
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Speaker 1: Lil Wayne pops out and does some records, Drake definitely
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Speaker 1: needs just listen to us man, just go away, Go away.
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Speaker 1: Work on them, work on them songs for the ladies
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Speaker 1: pop out. People will forget about it. But you've made
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Speaker 1: this mess. You've made this the longest l like everybody
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Speaker 1: would say that, you know, we've ever seen in the
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Speaker 1: history of anything, and it's all him.
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Speaker 2: It's all him. So end. Lastly, so.
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Speaker 1: I pose a question for the audio listeners at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of this episode about does lyrical skill matter again?
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people, you know, especially hip hop media,
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Speaker 1: have debated that based off the battle between Drake and
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Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar, and a lot of that had to do
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Speaker 1: with who won, which was Kendrick Lamar, how he won,
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Speaker 1: not bots and influencers, but lyrically, what was he doing?
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Speaker 1: What did he do with those records? You know, the
21:54
Speaker 1: way he approached each record with a different vibe, right
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Speaker 1: like like that was the type of music you hear today,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Then Euphoria was also that.
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Speaker 1: But then six ' sixteen in La was like for
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Speaker 1: the underground hip hop heads, and then Meet the Grahams
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Speaker 1: was like a traditional grainy disrecord, one of the you know,
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Speaker 1: like when you hit the bridges over or ether or
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Speaker 1: no vasiline. It evoked that kind of a disrecord and
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Speaker 1: then not like Us was something we had never seen
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Speaker 1: before where it was like a disrecord that's about that,
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Speaker 1: we're partying too.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy. So a lot of.
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Speaker 1: People look at that and say, you know, Bars is
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Speaker 1: back and Joey Badass popping out at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the year, challenging the West Coast, and you feel like,
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Speaker 1: you know, everybody's just everybody cares more about lyrical skill
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Speaker 1: more than they have in years. And I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: over the top, and I think in a lot of ways,
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Speaker 1: just to go back to that battle, I think that
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Speaker 1: battle did a nice service for those people who came
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Speaker 1: up in hip hop with the music just kind of
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Speaker 1: being catchy. They had to pay attention to lyrics now,
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Speaker 1: and content creators across the board, including myself, we got
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Speaker 1: videos you can check them out, were breaking down things
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Speaker 1: that were being said that helped, you know, some casuals
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Speaker 1: get more into hip hop lyrics, which in turn gets
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Speaker 1: them into artists who are more lyrical. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying Where it's not about just catchiness, it's like, yo,
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Speaker 1: what are you saying? It made some people crazy too,
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Speaker 1: like dude saying, yo, try to call crust is like overrated.
23:42
Speaker 1: Listen to how simplistic this is. You don't understand bars
23:46
Speaker 1: you were inside. But what's interesting is this article I
23:53
Speaker 1: saw shout out to Hip Hop DX. Obviously I do
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Speaker 1: use other places to get points of view, but I
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Speaker 1: like the job they do, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: But they had.
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Speaker 1: A quote from Lil Wayne on Maverick Carters that's Lebron
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Speaker 1: James's homie who's also on the shop from time to time.
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Speaker 1: Not just homie but business partner, called Mavericks, where Lil
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Speaker 1: Wayne talked about what he thinks is his best verse,
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Speaker 1: which he also believes earned him credibility amongst New York rappers,
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Speaker 1: and the whole notion of him saying that is when
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Speaker 1: you think about New York City, you think about lyrical skill.
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Speaker 2: New York City.
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Speaker 1: Hip hop is very technical, right like not like obviously
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Speaker 1: you can point to newer cats now who aren't, but
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Speaker 1: the base of New York hip hop. If you're talking
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Speaker 1: Nas Biggie, you know Prodigy, people like that, you know
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Speaker 1: Farrel manch It's lyrical skill. It's how deep can you
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Speaker 1: go with these lyrics? Right? Not just oh I said,
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Speaker 1: it's a couple of metaphors like layer lyrically, whereas other
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Speaker 1: places are more about the beats or more about the
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Speaker 1: vibe or the hook or whatever, which isn't wrong. But
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Speaker 1: when it comes to New York hip hop and you're
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Speaker 1: talking about getting respect, that means you're talking straight up
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Speaker 1: bars lyrics, lyrical technique. And here's a quote from what
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Speaker 1: Lil Wayne said to me to this day. My best
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Speaker 1: verse is going to always be my first solo song
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Speaker 1: on a Hot Boys album. It was called block Burner.
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Speaker 1: I don't curse at all on that. And so when
25:49
Speaker 1: we would go do shows and stuff in New York,
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Speaker 1: like just stuff in New York, like even a TV
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Speaker 1: show or something if they had another New York artists on,
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Speaker 1: that would always pull me to the side and let
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Speaker 1: me know, bro, I respect that you rap like that
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Speaker 1: and don't cuss. He also said, because they would always
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Speaker 1: also tell me I thought when I listened to you,
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Speaker 1: I thought you was just gonna be a little sing
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Speaker 1: song artist where.
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Speaker 2: It was different way.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're cuss it or not, but
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Speaker 1: you really be rapping always New York artists, So I
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Speaker 1: think you know it. You know his experience with whoever
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Speaker 1: he's talking about and obviously you would assume it's happened
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Speaker 1: enough for him to feel like it was a regular occurrence.
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Speaker 1: As far as the respect, I mean, you just look
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Speaker 1: at the features for Little Wayne. When it comes to
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Speaker 1: a Little Wayne out the hot boys, he's probably number
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Speaker 1: one when it comes to having respect lyrically from lyricists. Right,
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Speaker 1: We're not just talking about people who write lyrics. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about people who are very technical and how they
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Speaker 1: approach writing lyrics. And I think do I think Lil
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Speaker 1: Wayne is very lyrical?
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Speaker 2: I think so.
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Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people who will
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Speaker 1: debate the whole ghost writing thing, but I can't confirm
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Speaker 1: everything was ghost written at one point.
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Speaker 2: We just know a style change happened.
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Speaker 1: But as you can see, he's basically pointing to a
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Speaker 1: point in time where there were no rumors of Gilly
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Speaker 1: the kid that Sam Gilly writing for him. That those
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Speaker 1: rumors popped up during the Car to one and definitely
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Speaker 1: the Car to two, probably the Card of Two more
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Speaker 1: than anything where Lil Wayne's style changed. But your style
27:48
Speaker 1: can also change based off of influence, because I think
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Speaker 1: Lil Wayne has an appetite for that technical lyricism, unlike
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Speaker 1: you know somebody like well in the hot Boys, like
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Speaker 1: juvenile juveniles. He's a feeling, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: He's a rhythm, he's a vibe, so to speak. When
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Speaker 1: it comes to how he approaches his music, I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure he thinks he's dope. But being dope doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: you're a technical lyricist. And I think Lil Wayne, that's
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Speaker 1: his interest, that's his bag, and that's why we got
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Speaker 1: what we got over the course of his career.
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Speaker 2: But does lyrics matter today? I think they do.
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Speaker 1: I think that battle, especially giving the two participants, and
28:34
Speaker 1: especially the line of the difference, that the line that
28:38
Speaker 1: Drake drew I'm not Drake that Kendrick drew. As far
28:42
Speaker 1: as comparisons between him and Drake as rappers, you know,
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Speaker 1: you make music that pacify him. I make music that
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Speaker 1: electrify it. Right, And in the display of the battle,
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Speaker 1: you saw what the difference was. You saw that dra
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Speaker 1: can make something that you like, Hendrick can make something
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Speaker 1: that makes you more invested. It's almost like a meal, right.
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Speaker 1: You can go to Wendy's or The Downs or whatever
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Speaker 1: and you'll be full. But it's a different kind of
29:17
Speaker 1: fool compared to a home cooked meal right the different
29:22
Speaker 1: there's a certain level of preparation for a home cooked
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Speaker 1: meal that you are not gonna get at Wendy's. You're
29:29
Speaker 1: gonna get heat up, like heat the whole thing up
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Speaker 1: and give it to it. Right at home, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: get if you really know how to cook, You're gonna
29:37
Speaker 1: get ingredients chopped for flavors and combinations and brought together
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Speaker 1: where it just doesn't it's not the same.
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of what Kendrick is.
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Speaker 1: So I think, even though he's always been that, I
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Speaker 1: think this battle put a focus on the lyrics of
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Speaker 1: both of them, and it wasn't on one side because
29:56
Speaker 1: I like pushups, but put a focus on both of
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Speaker 1: these rappers, both of their techniques and who was going
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Speaker 1: to be the better rapper when you know, when it
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Speaker 1: was all said and done, and so now everything, especially
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Speaker 1: this Joey badass stuff, everything that comes out, it's going
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Speaker 1: to be under that microscope. There are people, except for Glowrilla,
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Speaker 1: like people like her, so it doesn't matter what she's saying,
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Speaker 1: or like a person like Sexy Red. There are people
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Speaker 1: who are fans of hers who are like, I don't
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Speaker 1: really want to hear this anymore. Drake keep trying to
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Speaker 1: drop people keep saying yeah, something's not the same, And
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Speaker 1: I think that's where you get the whole instance of
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Speaker 1: you know, lyrics or the importance of technical lyrics being
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Speaker 1: back now.
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Speaker 2: I will say this as a fan of music. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't just have to be that.
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Speaker 1: I'm not the type of music fan or hip hop
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Speaker 1: fan that always wants to hear the ultimate barking. To me,
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Speaker 1: there's a time and a place for when I want
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Speaker 1: to be in that bag versus a bop like currency. Right,
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Speaker 1: I want to cool out. I don't care if he's
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Speaker 1: rapping about the same things on song after song, album
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Speaker 1: after album. This is where I want to be. And
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Speaker 1: it's okay because hip hop has always been for multiple
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Speaker 1: styles and multiple types of artists. So there's room for
31:23
Speaker 1: Drake as much as his room for Kendrick. But I'm
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Speaker 1: just glad that people pay more attention to lyrics now
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Speaker 1: and I hope it lasts.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: Even have the real but the most important thing you
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Speaker 1: can do is share what other hip hop is. There's
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Speaker 1: plenty of people who are on different platforms from everybody
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Speaker 1: from Discord to Reddit.
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Speaker 2: Or whatever, and hip hop is everywhere.
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Speaker 1: So if there's space where you can say, I should
32:31
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