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NHL conference finals are here: Who will advance to the STANLEY CUP? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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  The Mets are going to give him a significant They're going to
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  have a ton of money to spend. Why not put it in one of the top
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  three offensive players in the league?
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  We're going to be looking at Aaron.
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  Judge and saying that he. Can't win the big game, Michael
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  Jordan said. I played 82 games.
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  You don't see LeBron doing. That a game where you got to go
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  before. I told you, giant feet, Saquon
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  Barkley and this Let's do it.
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  You're listening to Jabba and the Mouth.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a new show of Jabba and the
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  Mouth. My name is Errol Marx, my Co
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  The stars beat The Jets in overtime 2 to one to advance to
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  the third, their third Western Conference finals appearance in
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  a row. Mark Sheffly scored the only
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  goal for The Jets after his father passed away.
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  The before defenseman Thomas Harley scored the game-winning
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  overtime goal, just his fifth career playoff goal.
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  Will now The Stars will now face the Oilers in the Western
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  Conference Finals in a rematch from last year.
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  The Panthers blew out the the Leaf 6 to 1 to advance to their
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  third Eastern Conference Finals appearance in a row.
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  The Panthers had three goals in each of the second and third
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  periods and got goals from six different players.
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  The Maple Leafs have now lost seven straight game sevens, with
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  their last win coming in 2004. The Panthers will face off
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  against the Hurricanes in the Eastern Conference finals in a
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  rematch from 2023. Well, here's the facts guys, and
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  we have to understand this. The Stars were one of the best
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  teams in the league all season long.
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  This was expected. It was the Stars of Winnipeg.
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  Whoever was going to win that game, a lot of people have them
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  going to the finals and facing off against Florida and it's
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  going exactly the way that everybody expected.
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  I and I think obviously the Oilers are dangerous because
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  they have Connor McDavid and they have dry Sidle.
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  So they have two of the best offensive players in the world,
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  arguably the two best offensive players in the world.
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  The one thing the Oilers have had problems having and that's
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  goaltending. The reason why the Oilers are
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  here and the reason why the Oilers have played so well over
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  the last two years is because of their head coach, hockey.
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  You need a coach that understands the X's and O's,
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  putting the players in the position to get them to do the
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  things that you need them to do. And now Black has been as good
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  of as good of a coach as any young coach in the NHL.
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  It's fun to watch. This Edmonton Oiler Oiler team
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  is very dangerous because they have defenseman that can put the
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  puck in the net, they can bring the puck up and they could do so
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  many things with the weapons that they have.
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  This is not just two line, 2 line team.
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  This is a three line team that has as good of a offensive find
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  as the Dallas Stars. But here's the thing that Dallas
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  Stars have that they don't have and that's goaltending.
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  Ottinger has been one of the best goalies in the world for
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  the last five years. Ottinger, when he is on, he's
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  almost impossible to put the buck in the net.
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  Now Connor McDavid, he experienced beating Hollabuck to
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  beating a Team USA in that All Star, you know, extravaganza
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  this past year. He never faced Ottinger, he
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  never scored against Ottinger and I think Ottinger is a
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  different type of beast. And I think Dallas has that kind
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  of provision and what they can do defensively with the the guys
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  that they have. And and I just think that
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  they're just a probably the best all around team besides Florida
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  still in the playoffs. You can argue Dallas and Florida
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  are the most talented teams in the NHL and that's what you want
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  to see. You want to see Dallas and
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  Florida. Winnipeg won the President
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  Trophy and it really because all around they had the best goalie
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  in the world all season long. But you you can see Hollabuck
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  has had problems in the playoffs.
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  He cannot win the big game. He's had problems getting it
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  done in the big game. Anger really.
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  He's been hot and cold, but he's a guy that has done it in the
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  playoffs. And you can win with Florida.
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  We all know what they have over there.
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  Goal 10 they got defense, they have a a winning personality
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  over there in Florida. They've won a championship.
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  They've got better weapons than they had last year.
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  Brad Marshant is there who won with Boston, a guy that has been
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  one of the best wingers in the NHL for the last 10 seasons.
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  And now they have that kind of weapon.
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  They got a healthy Kachuck and and this team all around is just
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  ridiculous. I don't think you can argue that
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  this Florida Panther team is not better than the team last year.
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  Just think about it. That team was great.
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  This team is is otherworldly worldly.
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  So I just think it's crazy when you look at both teams and what
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  they've done over the last past year.
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  I I do believe Carolina's going to get create problems for the
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  Florida Panthers because they are very good defensive team.
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  Brinda Moore is a good coach. I just, I don't know if Carolina
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  has a goaltending either. When you look at all four of
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  these teams, Carolina and Edmonton have the worst
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  goaltending and they've had the worst goaltending in the NHL for
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  years. When you look at all these teams
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  that go into the playoffs and make these kind of runs, it's
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  just they have sensational players and that's what makes
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  both teams so unique. And by the way, ever since
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  Rotnen has gone to the Stars. I mean, it's, it's, it's
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  ridiculous. The stars are even better than
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  they were before they got them and and now they're just like,
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  they're almost impossible to beat.
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  If Rodney is playing like this, not only does he deserve the
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  money, Carolina is going to be smacked around by the fans if
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  they can't get over the hump against the Florida Panthers.
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  You make that trade with Colorado, you trade all those
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  pieces away to have this guy on the run and now he's playing for
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  the opposite team in another conference and there he's
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  smacking the crap out of the whole conference, whole Western
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  Conference. It's sickening.
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  If if you're a Carolina, Carolina hurricane fan, you
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  should be sick to your God damn stomach watching this right now.
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  What he's doing with Dallas. He leads the playoffs right now
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  in goals and assists. It's it's sickening.
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  This guy is the best player in the playoffs.
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  That's what you traded away for? Absolutely nothing.
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  Rob Brindle Moore is probably sweating his ass off just like
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  Jason Kidd was when the idiot, yes the idiot Dallas Mavericks
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  decided, hey, you know what? We're going to trade Luka Dodgek
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  away at 24 years old, 25. What an idiot organization
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  Carolina deserves to lose in this series against Florida.
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  Yeah, well, I don't think Don Waddell is nearly as bad as what
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  Nico Harrison did. It definitely is a little
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  skeptical when you see it two years in a row because they did
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  the same thing with Genzel when it seemed like they were going
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  to resign him too. They traded a lot to get him and
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  I was supposed to be the big swing to put them over the hump
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  and and they end up losing to the Rangers in the second round
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  of the playoffs. And this kind of team is kind of
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  weird. The Carolina Hurricanes playoff
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  identity. It's kind of odd.
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  They do well in the years they're not as expected to do
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  well. I thought they'd go this far,
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  but again, it was a weaker metropolitan division this year.
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  This is a big test for them. And this is one thing I was
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  talking about last week in hockey.
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  It's not as good to rest for as long.
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  They have about a week off between when they won and when
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  they're going to when they're going to play game one.
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  Florida has been very battle tested in this Toronto series.
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  And I think I think like you said, yeah, they have the
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  physicality. Caroline is great defensively.
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  They can get very finesse driven at certain points too.
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  So I do worry about them for them in this series.
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  And where's the extra depth in Star power that Florida got,
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  like you're saying with Marshawn, who has all this
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  playoff experience? And then on the other side, it's
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  it's impressive with both Dallas and Edmonton have done when
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  their stars have been taken out like game seven, Game 6 for
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  Dallas, like it wasn't their main guys.
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  That was really the focal points of this team.
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  Neither Robertson nor nor Ronson and and even Heiskinen was a
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  good defenseman offensively, didn't have a point in that
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  game. And it was a lot of those role
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  players getting it going for them and some kind of thing with
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  Edmonton. We've seen guys like Zach Hyman,
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  Connor Brown, Ryan Nugent, Hopkins, these veteran depth
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  guys that I think be able to overcome that in that series
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  too. And Winnipeg, there's a question
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  marks with them if they were able to get enough on the trade
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  deadline as well. And maybe that hurt them in that
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  series as well. So aggression does matter.
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  And like you're Errol saying, depth and goaltending doesn't
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  matter too. And I, I had Dallas in Florida
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  at the start, Errol, I got three out of four teams.
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  I had a different three out of four teams in the conference
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  finals. I had dials in Florida at the
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  start and I'm going to obviously stick with it In this series.
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  I got dials in six and Florida in five.
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  Yeah, I'm pretty much with you on that, Speedy.
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  I don't know if it's even going to go five.
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  I'm not going to lie. I really think Florida, I mean,
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  look what we knew what was going to happen in game seven in
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  Toronto, right? We know what the Leafs are about
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  and it's about no showing when it matters the most.
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  And Florida just gave them another one to to add to the the
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  list of disappointments in Toronto Maple Leafs history,
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  number one overall seed and you get blown at your doors off at
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  home, six to one. That's inexcusable.
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  I mean, it's just, I mean, I guess it's what the Leafs do,
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  but it's also because Florida is that good that, I mean, that's a
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  really good Leafs team. They lost their bully.
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  I understand. Right, this is their best
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  chance, but that's a. But look, that's an unbelievable
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  six to one in Game 7. So you you got that coming off
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  of that momentum against a team that's a little cold.
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  I mean, it could go four and they don't have Ranton and they
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  traded him away. Who do they who would be helpful
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  in this series? You know, I would say Ranton
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  would be very helpful. And on the other side, what a
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  slugfest that's going to be. I cannot wait for that series.
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  Oh my God, that's going to be just such fireworks.
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  But it can go either way in every game.
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  It could be like it could be real good goalie match up and be
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  low scoring, or it could just go bonkers because of the talent on
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  those teams. That should be a lot, a lot, a
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  lot of fun. But I think Florida is going to
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  just take care of business pretty quickly.
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  All right, it's going to be fun. Ladies and gentlemen, I this is
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  the best time of the year because you get a chance to
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  watch some NHL, you get to watch some NBA playoffs and it it it's
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  so close and these teams are so close and botched together.
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  But again, it it all it takes is great goaltending or goaltending
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  that just shows up throughout a series and and and a surprise
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  team could go all the way and win a Stanley Cup and
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  basketball, it's completely different.
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  And Chris Childs could probably tell you the same thing when it
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  comes to winning. You need a right.
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  You need the right formula. And all these teams that are
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  still in the playoffs, OKC, the Timberwolves, the Knicks and the
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  Pacers, they have their own formula.
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  The question in is the formula, is that formula on each roster
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  the right formula that's going to take them off the hump?
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  And you need superstars. You need superstars and all
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  these teams have a * superstar at either a guard position or a
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  big. So it's going to be really,
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  really fun to watch. And I'm I'm excited to see see
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  what's going to happen in in both the NHL and NBA playoffs.
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  Before we get to our guest and we have our sports minute, we
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  have our golf clap of the deck. Jimenez deserves a golf clap.
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  No doubt. Golf clap.
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  Golf clap ladies and gentlemen, the golf clap of the day goes to
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  the one and only Caitlin Clark. Why should we not give her the
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  golf clap of the day? Well ladies and gentlemen, the
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  Fever and Caitlin Clark tie one of the greatest players in WNBA
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  history. She ties Candice Parker all time
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  in triple double S list after doing what she did in game
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  number one of the season and boy oh boy, 20 points, 10 rebounds
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  and 10 assists. Yes ladies and gentlemen, she is
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  doing it all. And the WNBA ladies and
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  gentlemen has not only a superstar, they have a face
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  moving forward for the next 10 years.
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  A woman that is going to bring endorsements, Nike deals and
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  great coverage to the WNBA, something they haven't had in
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  such a long time. You can't take away a superstar.
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  You can't take away a person that brings a dynamic vision to
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  a league that needs it. And that's what she brings to
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  the game. And Caitlin Clark has shown it
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  time and time again, not just in college basketball, but what she
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  delivers to a game that is absolutely looking for
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  superstars. And they have Angel Reese, they
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  have now Caitlin Clark, 2 ladies that are going to take the game
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  by storm. But Caitlin Clark doing what
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  she's doing right now in such a young career and and still only
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  two years in, she's still kind of a rookie and she's breaking
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  records already. It's something to watch, guys.
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  You're watching something that you might never see again.
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  And I'm telling you, you might never see this again.
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  We're seeing players start develop into a Steph Curry kind
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  of like player that is going to give the WNBA that star that
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  they've need, needed for a long, long time.
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  So my golf clap of the day goes to the one and only Caitlin
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  Clark for doing what she is doing.
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  And that's bringing not only fans and endorsements.
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  She's bringing a different style of game to the WNBA.
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  So the golf clap, Caitlin Clark. And now, ladies and gentlemen,
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  we call the next segment goodies.
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  Bag of balls. My mom was going to wire a.
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  Car battery with my testicles. Trying to put Tiger Bomb on
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  this. Jungle is nuts bag.
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  Of balls. That's how you become great man
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  and your. Balls out there try to get my
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  head out of his crotch. How long did you and Nathan sit
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  in a dark room and just do that? Not anybody, because you guys,
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  you're a grown man. Because I'm a grown man and
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  that's why I don't sit in. Rooms I don't know.
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  With other men. I guess some would say, some
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  would say you're a grown man. I guess being 48.
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  Congratulations. Happy birthday, Let's 43
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  celebrate. Stop it.
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  Celebrating the second birthday. Five years.
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  I mean, that's a lot, man. I mean, hey, we did.
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  I did see Speedy PD breaking it down on the dance floor not too
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  long ago. Clean themselves well he did
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  yeah I had to hype him up because sometimes he just stands
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  there with his finger up his ass so you know somebody's got was
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  not having my. Finger in my ass.
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  A freaking Mohegan Sun. No, you were standing there
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  wondering where your finger goes up your.
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  Ass until. I hot job.
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  No, no, no, he, he. This who wants to do we have any
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  video because if we had the video up right.
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  Now. I I think people, I think people
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  have to see this guy when he dances.
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  Well, this is perfect because he looks like he's on drugs.
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  And my first segment is PED suspensions, MLB testing
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  policies. All right, so while Fish is
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  loading up this new, this dance video of speedy PD on
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  amphetamines and HCH and steroids and all the other drugs
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  that go down his throat, we want to talk about Jose Alvarado's 80
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  game suspension for PEDs that just happened recently and what
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  kind of impact losing a key reliever like that has on the
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  bullpen. All right, did everybody see
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  that? Yes, yes, yes, we all saw that,
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  right? Yes.
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  Do we do we know what he failed for?
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  Has it been released yet? Well they said the whatever all
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  the people said he was trying to lose weight so assume they
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  assumed it was like. Hydroxycut.
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  Or yeah, the shit you can get get at the gas station right
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  there that feels like your heart's going to populate out of
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  your chest. No, I think it's.
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  And honestly man, this is one thing that does bother me.
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  Like there's only been 2 cases in our history where it's been a
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  false positive and one was a cough medicine from his son and
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  one was a foot ointment that have been proven that no, we
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  didn't do this. This is exactly what it was.
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  Only ones have been turned over when it's called the Freddy
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  Galvis exception because that's who it happened to.
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  But you know what you put in? Like we have every opportunity
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  to know like because we can't pronounce the words, but you're
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  like, hey, I got this new supplement.
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  Boom. They can type it in.
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  They can check it to see if it's legal or not.
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  Like, and if you get caught, just own it.
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  Like stop running away from it. Like we know what happens in the
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  game, but you've never seen anybody be like, Yep, I did, you
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  know, and nobody would even say anything.
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  It's like it's the reason they don't talk about Jason Giambi
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  doing steroids because he came out and he's like, yes, I did
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  it. It was not illegal in the game,
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  but yes, I did it. And nobody even brings him up.
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  So just hold yourself. But you know what you're putting
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  in your body. I played with a pretty good
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  Toronto Blue Jays hair back in the day.
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  He's pretty good, really good, who failed through PEDs and said
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  he got it through steak. So maybe it happened, maybe it
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  didn't. Sounds like Canelo Alvarez.
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  Did anybody know that story? Canelo Alvarez, the boxer came
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  out when he, you know, he was fighting Triple G and it came
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  out that he said they found like 50 times the juice inside of his
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  body that anybody takes off of one cycle.
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  And he came out and said, well, I was eating a lot of steak.
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  I ate 50 steaks. That's why I had all that juice
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  inside of me. And I anybody that knows
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  anything about juice knows that no matter how much meat you eat,
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  it's not going to make a difference.
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  There's no way you're going to find that many CCS in your body
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  unless you're taking steroids. All right, Goody.
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  I found it. It's exogenous testosterone.
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  That's what I got. Suspended for what?
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  Does that even mean? So probably, so it's probably
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  the stuff you rub on your skin exogenous.
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  So they have the they have. The it's the topical.
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  Yes, that's what my best bet would be.
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  But I mean, you still know what you're putting in.
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  So my, my question is all right, yes, if you if you fail, just
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  come out and say you failed. Obviously just admit to it.
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  You know, you screwed up, whatever.
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  But how can teams look? Those guys wear a scarlet letter
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  pretty much. Oh yeah.
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  Here we go. Here's speedy PD on the PEDs
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  right here. Look.
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  For you, Carl. Let's go, Carl.
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  You got some work to do, Big Dove.
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  Yes, Sir. By the way, Carl, I'm wearing my
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  Knicks jersey here, not some freaking vests.
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  Hey, hey, those hips don't lie cuz look at them things, bro.
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  You lose as a goose up for that joint, you know.
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  So my my thing is all these guys now wear a scarlet letter,
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  right? They all got the scarlet letter.
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  So how can a team, you know, we and I haven't gone through this,
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  but I want to hear your, your takes on this.
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  But how can teams maintain unities after unity, after aped
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  scandal? And Will is Bryce Harper, you
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  know, obviously a leader of the Phillies, maybe Nolan Nola.
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  Will they step up and be able to keep the team going in the
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  direction they want it to go? It's a revolving door, that
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  bullpen. It always is like, all right,
• 20:50
  let's bring in this flashy guy. And then they always do well
• 20:52
  with their their like second tier guys that maybe break break
• 20:55
  out as much. And some of them have turned
• 20:56
  into starters like Ranger Suarez.
• 20:58
  You saw that last year with Sanchez.
• 20:59
  So I think the Phillies have a good like team culture to handle
• 21:02
  that. Well, I I think too, with
• 21:04
  Tomper, you know, as at the helm and you know, K Long and the
• 21:08
  staff that he's got behind them, I think they'll be fine.
• 21:10
  It's just you think about the magnitude of what you know.
• 21:13
  He's not eligible for the playoffs.
• 21:16
  Yes, he's 7 for seven. You're losing a key reliever.
• 21:21
  This is the guy. Who cares if you're fat if
• 21:23
  you're 7 for seven throwing a hundy and it's sinking off the
• 21:26
  damn dish, I don't care. Go ahead and it doesn't matter.
• 21:30
  You can go get ready in the offseason.
• 21:32
  Like who cares if you are pitching like that with the way
• 21:35
  it is? And he's been very reliable as a
• 21:39
  big dude who's we saw what happened to Cece when he came
• 21:42
  back and lost all that weight. He was throwing 80 Doo.
• 21:45
  It's just 80 Doo, just Doo Doo. And then he gained his weight
• 21:49
  back and he's back in 9193. And so I don't think they'll, I
• 21:54
  don't think they'll have a problem.
• 21:54
  But this is one thing that now you look at as the front office,
• 21:58
  he did this to get you 80. Can't, can't pitch in the
• 22:01
  playoffs. He has a $9 million option.
• 22:03
  What do you do? Do you pick it up and be like
• 22:05
  ah, or do you be like, hey, kick rocks?
• 22:08
  Well. There's a.
• 22:10
  There's a thing called the trade deadline and if you need a
• 22:13
  pitcher, you go out and get one. That's what I would do.
• 22:16
  And as far as PEDs are concerned, who cares?
• 22:18
  They're doing PEDs. Obviously it benefits them when
• 22:22
  they get on the mound. And if they're the NA, the, I've
• 22:24
  said this many, many times, the NFL, they allow this to go on.
• 22:28
  It's been going on forever. The NBA, you Tony, Dwight Howard
• 22:31
  never did steroids. Look at the guy.
• 22:33
  Look at the size he was when he was playing basketball.
• 22:35
  LeBron James hasn't done any of that.
• 22:38
  They're all doing so. Honest to God, they got to
• 22:41
  figure out a way where, you know, certain PEDs are allowed
• 22:45
  in professional sports because everybody is doing it and
• 22:47
  they're just trying to hide it. So that's what I think.
• 22:51
  I like it. I like it.
• 22:52
  Obviously the steroid air in baseball is great.
• 22:53
  Moving on to the next one, we all saw Colton Wong's
• 22:56
  retirement. So what is Colton Wong's legacy
• 22:59
  in Saint Louis? He was a two time Gold Glove
• 23:01
  second baseman. He retired just recently after a
• 23:05
  notable career primarily with the Saint Louis Cardinals.
• 23:09
  Also wanted to touch a little bit on the reinstatement of Pete
• 23:12
  Rose and reconsidering some other band players.
• 23:17
  For those of you who don't know who Colton Wong was, he's a
• 23:19
  defensive stand out. Like I said, you're in a Gold
• 23:21
  Gloves in 2019-2020 at a career 987 fielding percentage.
• 23:27
  He was a whole. He's a Hawaiian born baseball
• 23:31
  player, really a fan favorite. He brought a lot of diversity
• 23:36
  and you know, relatability to Saint Louis and really for his
• 23:41
  hustle and he did a lot of community work as well.
• 23:44
  He was trading it to Milwaukee in 2021, which hurt the fan
• 23:49
  base, which is another thing that I think players that
• 23:52
  generated great or have good relationships with fan bases,
• 23:55
  those teams should try and latch on and hold on to those guys.
• 23:59
  For example, Francisco Lindor, but what is his legacy to Saint
• 24:05
  Louis Jabba? If you played against them or
• 24:08
  played with them, what do you got on them?
• 24:10
  And Arrow, I'm not sure if and Speedy, I'm not sure if you
• 24:13
  watch too much of them, but I thought he was a damn good
• 24:15
  second baseman when he was with Saint Louis.
• 24:18
  Kind of tapered off toward the end of his career.
• 24:21
  Always fun to watch. Love the love the Island guys.
• 24:24
  You know the guys from from Hawaii, they come in, they bring
• 24:26
  flair, they bring just a different take and a different
• 24:28
  look. And it's always fun to watch
• 24:30
  those guys play. And I knew he was beloved in
• 24:33
  Saint Louis. So what is his legacy?
• 24:36
  We got, you know, obviously a lot of Cardinals fans here just
• 24:41
  because it's close proximity. There's only two, two really
• 24:44
  close ones. But no, I always, I always
• 24:47
  appreciated his defense. He always laid it on one.
• 24:50
  The one of the the plays that always stands out in my mind is
• 24:53
  he feels that ball up the middle doesn't even close his glove and
• 24:55
  flips it to 2nd for the double play.
• 24:59
  I think he was an unbelievable defender.
• 25:00
  He had sparks of offense every once in a while.
• 25:05
  I think it hurt him not to be re signed back by the Cardinals
• 25:08
  because he was so beloved there and that sometimes, you know,
• 25:10
  mentally can play a toll on you. And you know, he ended up only
• 25:13
  hitting like 200 for the rest of his career.
• 25:16
  So I think that plays a part on it more.
• 25:18
  And you know, as we were talking with Chris earlier, talking
• 25:21
  about how different it is in New York compared to like New
• 25:23
  Jersey, and, you know, he's going where he's beloved.
• 25:26
  And, you know, Cardinals fans, whether you're great, I mean,
• 25:31
  shit, they love Matt Carpenter and he was hitting like $1.83
• 25:34
  and they were still here. And so I think that plays a
• 25:37
  part. But, and it's crazy.
• 25:39
  He was only 27 hits shy of 1000. Wasn't really known for his
• 25:43
  offensive prowess, but he was just fun to watch because you
• 25:46
  knew at any time it's going to make a spectacular play.
• 25:49
  And he had a chance to do it. But he just, he was that good in
• 25:53
  the field. And it was, it was.
• 25:54
  So yeah, this is stupid. Sick.
• 25:56
  He doesn't. He doesn't even close his glove.
• 25:58
  Yeah, it's smooth. It's smooth.
• 26:00
  No, that's what I'm saying. He.
• 26:01
  And the thing about what people don't understand is they like,
• 26:05
  oh, that looks flashy. Like they're so good.
• 26:07
  They practice this stuff. Like.
• 26:09
  It doesn't even like it's just going and then there and they.
• 26:13
  Practice canoe in highs. When you yeah, yeah, better
• 26:18
  believe. It I mean, yeah, the guys, the
• 26:23
  guy was a defensive wizard. So I mean not known for his his
• 26:27
  offensive prowess, but. Ozzy Smith was he was called the
• 26:31
  Wizard of Oz and we all know what he was on a on a baseball
• 26:34
  field. The guy was like, I don't even
• 26:36
  know if he was a wizard. He it was like he did magic and
• 26:40
  it was so many things that I've seen him do.
• 26:42
  We've seen guys like I've seen so many great defensive players
• 26:46
  over the years. And then you mentioned Juan.
• 26:48
  I think there's, there's a uniqueness when it comes to
• 26:51
  defense. They're not remembered when you
• 26:53
  when you watch these guys, they could be the greatest defensive
• 26:55
  players. I mean, who's the Odonias?
• 26:59
  Odonias was a great Ray Odonias was a great defender for the New
• 27:03
  York Mets. He was a horrible hitter.
• 27:05
  He couldn't hit for crap. He always struck out.
• 27:08
  He couldn't hit when he was in a big position for the Mets.
• 27:11
  He never, he can never get the big hit, but he was a Wizard of
• 27:14
  Oz when he came to his defensive style of play.
• 27:17
  I I just think. When you That's Omar.
• 27:20
  I'm sorry, Omar. Viscal too, same thing.
• 27:23
  But Omar Viscal was. Defense.
• 27:25
  Yeah, but he was a. Pretty my Little League could.
• 27:27
  If my T-ball team could play defense, we would be four.
• 27:30
  No, not Owen 4. Baby, I could tell you're losing
• 27:33
  your voice too, but I will. Say body yelling.
• 27:36
  Yeah, well, obviously when you're coaching your son.
• 27:39
  I have to get running the fundamentals, Cody.
• 27:42
  I met Braxton. I met Braxton.
• 27:45
  I I. Think we had the parents, we had
• 27:47
  the parents first the kids today and they were talking mad shit
• 27:51
  and AT ball game and we had a couple injuries.
• 27:54
  We actually are starting to go fund me page for our medical
• 27:56
  bills that have racked up in our last four games.
• 27:58
  So if you guys want to donate to go fund me page, we can actually
• 28:01
  use the help here. E torch Babe Ruth, let the
• 28:04
  league stick to you. T-ball bills are stacking up.
• 28:07
  How to make a note? At his remaining $3 for Savior.
• 28:10
  Quickly, I will say this, a lot of people don't don't really
• 28:14
  look at defense to be very important, even though it is in
• 28:17
  any sport. But I mean, you're always
• 28:20
  looking at the bat. You're going to remember Aaron
• 28:21
  Judge, You're going to remember Otani.
• 28:23
  You're not going to remember, oh, did you?
• 28:24
  Do you remember that spectacular catch?
• 28:27
  Well, Speaking of Speaking of the bat, I wanted to touch a
• 28:30
  little bit on Pete Rose and and does Pete Rose's reinstatement
• 28:34
  make him obviously a lock for Cooperstown, which I would agree
• 28:37
  that all of us agree, or will voters hold his pass against
• 28:42
  them? And should other band players be
• 28:45
  reconsidered like the 1919 Chicago Black Sox?
• 28:48
  The steroid era? Guys, you agree with all that?
• 28:53
  All of it. First of all, Barry Bonds should
• 28:55
  be in the Hall of Fame. Rodger Clement should be in the
• 28:57
  Hall of Fame. Andy Pettitte should be in the
• 28:59
  Hall of Fame. All these guys that we
• 29:00
  mentioned, I don't care if they did steroids, HDH, it doesn't
• 29:04
  make you see the ball, doesn't make you.
• 29:05
  It gives you a little bit more power.
• 29:07
  You're going to tell me Alex Rodriguez wasn't going to put up
• 29:09
  the numbers he was going to put up if he didn't do steroids?
• 29:12
  If he did, if he didn't do steroids, it's a bunch of crap.
• 29:15
  We've had analytic guys come on the show and expressed the
• 29:19
  analytics to steroids and what it might do for you if you were
• 29:23
  on it. And if you weren't, it's not
• 29:25
  going to change the player. So yeah, I think they all should
• 29:28
  be reinstated. The black, the White Sox,
• 29:31
  whatever, whoever was obviously tossed to the aside by the MLB
• 29:35
  because. The 1919 black socks with
• 29:37
  Shoeless Joe Jack. Exactly.
• 29:39
  They were banned for throwing the World Series.
• 29:41
  If Otani can continue playing after we all know, even though
• 29:45
  it wasn't proven that he was betting on baseball, every
• 29:48
  single one of them should be allowed to be inducted, inducted
• 29:52
  into the Hall of Fame. That doesn't change your talent.
• 29:55
  It doesn't change the game and the way you played when you
• 29:57
  played it. And that's all I'm going to say.
• 30:00
  Should MLB create a formal process on reviewing Bands A?
• 30:05
  100% or they have. To be fair, they did it now, but
• 30:08
  they're not voting till December of 27th.
• 30:10
  So what? What?
• 30:11
  Why vote now? Yeah, like the vote doesn't
• 30:13
  happen till 27th. Well, yeah, I think what Goody's
• 30:15
  referring to is just like a process of doing it all at once
• 30:18
  for all these guys that are reinstated, all the all the band
• 30:21
  players that haven't been reinstated, make it a more
• 30:24
  formal gathering before, like the actual Hall of Fame voting
• 30:26
  starts. Yeah.
• 30:28
  But do you have just one or do you have OK, so this committee
• 30:31
  now just is doing the reinstatement OK, Then do we
• 30:34
  have another one just for steroid guys and our and our.
• 30:37
  No, I think, I think it has to be probably the same.
• 30:39
  Why is why is there not players on that panel then?
• 30:42
  Oh, I agree. I'm not saying last thing.
• 30:43
  I trust them to do the right thing.
• 30:45
  These Hall of Fame voters, Scott.
• 30:48
  Yeah, I think there needs to be voted each one Rd. in each Rd.
• 30:51
  not in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, he's petty.
• 30:53
  No, players need to players definitely need to be involved
• 30:57
  in some in some, because we're the we're we're the ones who
• 30:59
  have to go against these bastards every day.
• 31:02
  So. And I, and I think too, one
• 31:03
  thing like I was involved obviously with our union, like
• 31:07
  I, I was, I never wanted, I was the head one year and then I was
• 31:11
  like, oh, this, that's too many phone calls.
• 31:13
  And then I was like back up on the committee or whatever.
• 31:15
  So, but you can be on every phone call.
• 31:17
  You don't have to be your Rep for your team, yes, but I think
• 31:20
  if they if they do create a committee like that, I think
• 31:24
  there needs to be you've had to had served in some capacity just
• 31:29
  because you kind of understand it.
• 31:30
  And these are the guys we were competing against.
• 31:32
  Like I would, I could have probably made a couple more
• 31:35
  million if I didn't give up homers to Nelson Cruz and all
• 31:37
  these other guys that run the. Courts gave him up to Nelson.
• 31:40
  He was 1, so was Milky. Cabrera couldn't get that guy
• 31:42
  out. Yeah.
• 31:45
  Yeah, well, yeah, my last bag of balls.
• 31:50
  I'm going to throw in a baseball conspiracy theory, which I know
• 31:54
  Jabba and I for sure would agree on.
• 31:56
  My dog wants your Pussycat I. Don't think that's a conspiracy.
• 32:00
  Theory. Probably a fair assessment, but
• 32:04
  I got a Rob Manfred baseball all right.
• 32:07
  I know where this is going. You have his DNA on it.
• 32:10
  It's already probably toxic. I don't know if it does, it's a
• 32:14
  little gluey and we can't. Have sounds good.
• 32:18
  But in recent years, obviously we know from 2019 to 2022, we've
• 32:25
  had a lot of vocal players come out, specifically Justin
• 32:29
  Verlander accusing the MLB of juiced baseballs to increase
• 32:34
  home runs. They wanted to engage the fans
• 32:39
  more, but really it was citing a surge in homers.
• 32:44
  A site like Judges 62 and 2022 research suggested that MLB used
• 32:50
  inconsistent balls. Despite a bunch of denials.
• 32:53
  Studies showed different variations in ball seam height,
• 32:57
  which I have a Rob Manfred ball in my hand and I do have a Bud
• 33:00
  Ceiling ball somewhere else where when placed behind the
• 33:04
  back of everyday pictures you could clearly tell the
• 33:08
  difference. OK Lance Mccullers did it live
• 33:10
  on TV, but one the seems one felt like a cue ball and one
• 33:16
  felt like a baseball. OK, do fans appreciate the more
• 33:22
  home runs? What does that do for everyday
• 33:26
  fans? Because as pitchers, Java and I
• 33:28
  know for sure the baseballs are 100% juice.
• 33:30
  Can I absolutely can I answer this first?
• 33:33
  Look at the balls slipping out of my hand now and like it's,
• 33:35
  you know. Do you know why they're doing
• 33:37
  this? You know why baseball is doing
• 33:39
  this? I have an idea what is.
• 33:42
  Your what's your argument? Fantasy sports.
• 33:44
  That's what it is, people. There's so much money being
• 33:47
  thrown out when it comes to fantasy sports and and how much
• 33:51
  people are investing into it and they're everybody.
• 33:53
  They're ridiculous, dude. There's so much money.
• 33:56
  This number up and 2019, there were 6776 home runs, all right,
• 34:02
  and 2015, five, 1215. It's changed the whole game.
• 34:08
  It changed pitching strategies. It saves swing philosophies and
• 34:12
  I think it was for the TV ratings, but go ahead.
• 34:14
  No, I think. It for sure was to produce
• 34:16
  offense because the pitchers were outspacing the hitting by a
• 34:19
  long shot and so they had to try and equalize the games.
• 34:25
  TV. Ratings take away stick and.
• 34:31
  I don't I don't think it has anything to do with TV ratings.
• 34:35
  I don't think it has anything for boosting any of the stuff
• 34:39
  that you're saying. I think it has everything to do
• 34:40
  when it comes to fantasy sports and how much money these the
• 34:43
  league is making off these players.
• 34:46
  They're listen, if Aaron Judge is hitting three home runs in a
• 34:49
  game or some guy that you've never even heard of hits three
• 34:53
  home runs in a game and has almost a cycle and your, your
• 34:56
  fantasy team is bringing in this guy money off a draft Kings or
• 35:01
  FanDuel and the league's getting a piece of it, then the league
• 35:05
  is happy. They're taking, they're making
• 35:07
  billions and billions of dollars to draft Kings and sports
• 35:10
  betting. So this is helping sports
• 35:13
  betting. So if there's more home runs,
• 35:15
  more offensive numbers that are being driven up, there's more
• 35:19
  money to be made. And that's what these players
• 35:21
  are doing. They're making more money.
• 35:23
  The players are making more money and the league is making
• 35:26
  enough money for fans that are not interested in watching the
• 35:29
  games on television to go and watch the games and watch these
• 35:32
  home runs and triples and these balls going over the fence.
• 35:36
  So I think it has everything to do with fantasy and sports.
• 35:39
  I would say, I would say sports betting more so than fantasy
• 35:42
  just the same. I mean, you can lie.
• 35:44
  Well, fantasy since sports betting.
• 35:46
  It's on FanDuel. It's on their, their, their.
• 35:49
  But you can bet every pitch of baseball.
• 35:51
  You can bet every single pitch. You can sit at a sports book and
• 35:55
  bet me like this is a ball air strike on every single pitch.
• 35:59
  I think seeing that makes people engage more like 01 nothing
• 36:03
  game. I love it because I'm on the
• 36:06
  good side of it from the pitching.
• 36:08
  But I understand and I think you're right goody because
• 36:11
  trying to get the casual fan where I think it does because if
• 36:16
  you don't have TV deals and nobody's watching, you're not
• 36:18
  going to get extensions and and be able to pay some of these
• 36:21
  contracts. So I think.
• 36:22
  For most our money. Yeah.
• 36:24
  So I think there's a little bit of all of it.
• 36:26
  You went from now banning and do you think this came about just
• 36:30
  to your point, Errol, when you talk about the fantasy and the
• 36:35
  the sports books and all that, Do you think now it came to this
• 36:39
  because now they're making so much money from FanDuel
• 36:42
  Barstool, DraftKings, all there's 1900 of them.
• 36:46
  It's every other commercial. Do you think they're like, well,
• 36:49
  now if we're promoting it, the dudes that did it, we got to,
• 36:52
  you know, kind of say, yeah, it's different times, but we got
• 36:55
  to let them. In since since New York became
• 36:58
  legal when it comes to sports betting, do you know what it's
• 37:00
  brought in in the last four years?
• 37:03
  You're talking about stupid money, you're talking about four
• 37:05
  and a half billion dollars and baseball is getting a piece of
• 37:08
  that. So and that's just here in New
• 37:10
  York. That's just here in New York.
• 37:12
  It's incredible how much money the league is making and and
• 37:15
  why, because people are betting on these teams and these
• 37:19
  players. It's all about sports betting.
• 37:21
  It's all about fantasy sports and what it's going to bring in
• 37:24
  when it comes. Nobody cares about the team
• 37:26
  anymore. I say this all the time.
• 37:28
  We grew up rooting for teams. Now you're rooting for players
• 37:32
  because you want to see Steph Curry score 40 and get 1010
• 37:35
  assists and and seven rebounds. And did you hear David Portnoy,
• 37:40
  Dave Portnoy bet on the Preakness and bet on Caitlin
• 37:44
  Clark getting a triple double and just one spending what I
• 37:48
  think it was like like 50,000. He made like 350K over the
• 37:52
  weekend off of a race a picking a winner and picking Caitlin
• 37:58
  Clark to to get a triple double. He made $350,000 off of a little
• 38:04
  a bet that that he only put $50,000 into.
• 38:06
  Think about that. Think about that.
• 38:09
  What does? This do to the game of baseball.
• 38:11
  Now we're in the juice ball era like we're in a steroid area.
• 38:14
  Is the game, Is the game in a better place now?
• 38:17
  No than it was No 10 years ago. No.
• 38:21
  No. So as a fan, did you rather
• 38:23
  watch the game now or would you rather watch the game 10 years?
• 38:25
  Ago I don't want to watch the game until.
• 38:27
  The playoffs. The same aspect the the
• 38:30
  conspiracy theory of talking about different balls from
• 38:33
  different commissioners. Did you see the 1-2 where they
• 38:35
  said if you get a ball in New York and cut it in half and look
• 38:38
  at the cork and look at the the how the ball is wrapped and you
• 38:42
  do it from somewhere else and they're not the same?
• 38:45
  Let's see now that's. One of the really bad Mets teams
• 38:48
  tested that new. York's a band box as it is,
• 38:50
  dude. Freaking freaky and Tommy poop
• 38:54
  can put a ball on his butt and shoot one out from He probably
• 38:57
  could play over right field after he no he could.
• 39:00
  After he sends you his $3 to your Mexican food.
• 39:03
  After he sends his $3 from Save your tears to your GoFundMe.
• 39:08
  Or or after he eats freaking Nathan's cat and dog.
• 39:11
  Poop is a grumpy old man. Yeah, and he'll wash it down
• 39:14
  with Nathan's favorite gin and tonic.
• 39:17
  Yeah, who end up thinking one in the stink.
• 39:22
  To me, I just think it's to me, I just think you should just
• 39:25
  leave the sports the way they are.
• 39:26
  You shouldn't let politics and you shouldn't let gambling
• 39:30
  dictate it. I know that this is going to
• 39:32
  happen. This is the way that it's going,
• 39:34
  but at the end of the day now you're ruining people's career
• 39:36
  numbers, specifically guys that go over and play in like London
• 39:40
  and Europe. They all came back and said,
• 39:42
  dude, the balls were juice. Why were they?
• 39:43
  Just because they're trying to grow the sport in Europe or
• 39:46
  London or whatever series. Playing.
• 39:49
  Guys would give up freaking duck farts that were home runs or hit
• 39:53
  150 off the bat and when they can, I talked to numerous guys
• 39:57
  and they're like, yeah, we made, you know, whatever, 50 grand to
• 40:00
  go travel and play over there. But I also gave up four home
• 40:02
  runs. And the balls.
• 40:03
  Were absolutely juice so to me it's ruining guys numbers To me,
• 40:08
  if there's no place in it, they just need to get it back to
• 40:10
  where it needs to be where. You ever you ever felt the Home
• 40:13
  Run Derby balls like All Star game balls?
• 40:16
  Yes, they're way harder. Dude, it's unbelievable.
• 40:18
  That's why. Like if I get a ball back, I
• 40:21
  don't necessarily like I'll scratch some seams just because
• 40:24
  you'll get like new ones that are kind of dusty and you got a
• 40:27
  little sweat. So I'll.
• 40:27
  See the worst? And also, I always kept my
• 40:30
  thumbnail a little long and I'd look right at the umpire.
• 40:34
  Those balls in the in the Derby are way harder and it's stupid
• 40:38
  when you get a hard one. I throw that, I throw it right
• 40:40
  back in. No chance.
• 40:42
  Yeah. That's the night for Carl if
• 40:44
  they can hit a pickleball out of the Yankee stanky stadium.
• 40:47
  Pulled it out of my ham. It's not that short Carl, come
• 40:49
  on now. As long as she's using dude
• 40:51
  wipes and taking care of my 2 hole I'm good.
• 40:55
  I don't know, but that's my thoughts and I'm going with it.
• 41:00
  I felt the difference in baseballs.
• 41:01
  I know they were juiced. I gave up a lot of home runs and
• 41:05
  a lot of. Is that the only reason why you
• 41:07
  gave up a lot of home runs because they were juiced?
• 41:11
  Most likely, yeah, 100. Percent I love you goody you
• 41:13
  guys I. Was too nasty not to.
• 41:15
  I I love the 10. 20 when he came around.
• 41:19
  I love it you guys. 2020 came around and I was I held my
• 41:24
  ground. All right, I'm here.
• 41:25
  All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have the return of the tick.
• 41:29
  Ladies and gentlemen, as we call this tick tack.
• 41:33
  No, Dick, Dick. Morris right in the butt water.
• 41:39
  We get the prizes cheap because they're stolen, no?
• 41:45
  No, no, no, no, no, no. Now here's your host, the Tick
• 41:51
  himself, Owen the Tick, Ragnar. You know.
• 41:59
  I want to say something. I want to say something before
• 42:02
  your questions ready because I want to say something before I
• 42:05
  cut everything. Speedy, when I clap my my my
• 42:08
  fingers, I expect you to look at me, not look at your screen and
• 42:11
  pretend that I'm not here. OK, just so you know, go ahead,
• 42:15
  go ahead. I'm sorry.
• 42:17
  It's just annoying. I just said I wasn't prepared
• 42:19
  for this segment. So.
• 42:20
  No, no, no. You're just one of us this time.
• 42:23
  You're just one of us. Owen.
• 42:24
  I thought it would be fun for you to see what it's like what
• 42:28
  you do to us. Wendy, I'll hop the team out.
• 42:32
  I'll hop the boys. As a member of the crew, so
• 42:35
  speedy. You got your AI ready we're.
• 42:37
  Going to hand it off to you my friend with the first question
• 42:42
  for tic tac, no. I farted.
• 42:44
  We'll start in the NBA. Name two of the three either
• 42:48
  former or current New York Knicks players that were on the
• 42:51
  OK C Thunder roster the last time they made the Western
• 42:54
  Conference Finals on in 2015, 2016.
• 42:57
  So each of you get multiple guesses for this.
• 42:59
  Say that again. So two of the three either
• 43:02
  former or current Knicks players that are on the OK C Thunder
• 43:06
  roster The last time they made the Western Conference Finals in
• 43:09
  2015. They're on the Knicks now that.
• 43:13
  Either a Foreman or former or current.
• 43:16
  So there is one on the Knicks now, and then there's two that
• 43:18
  are used to be Knicks. And you said they were on the
• 43:21
  Thunder? Team in 2015.
• 43:23
  In 2015 when they lost to the Warriors in the in the Western
• 43:26
  Conference finals. That last team.
• 43:29
  This is another one of those like name the second pitch of
• 43:32
  the 2003 World Series. Who is it That could be on the
• 43:35
  Knicks, though. Wait a second.
• 43:38
  I was thinking right now. There's one active and two.
• 43:42
  Not even letting myself think about yet.
• 43:46
  Josh. Hart no I so no Josh.
• 43:52
  I got to look at the roster. Dude the reason why I said Josh
• 43:54
  Hart it was 10 years ago. The only reason why I said Josh
• 43:56
  Hart cuz he played for every other team was before he went to
• 43:59
  do. I get one guess or two guesses.
• 44:01
  You guys could get 2 guesses each.
• 44:04
  OK great. So I've had this feeling like
• 44:08
  like, wasn't Melo the 6th man? No, Mellow was not on that team.
• 44:14
  Mellow. Mellow was him after a couple
• 44:16
  years later. Damn it.
• 44:21
  All right. All right, you're going back.
• 44:22
  The one that's on there now is bothering.
• 44:24
  Me, I don't even know. There's another one.
• 44:29
  I'm guessing that's that's retired and I think was just
• 44:31
  fired as an executive in the league.
• 44:34
  Look, I'm just gonna look down the I'm looking at their roster
• 44:36
  right now and the only guy that I could think of is.
• 44:40
  Can't get a read on Speedy? 40 year old PJ Tucker.
• 44:43
  Nope. That's a great guess.
• 44:45
  I forgot they have PJ 'cause he's 40 years old.
• 44:48
  It would have to be 1 of the older guys, right?
• 44:50
  So who's the oldest guy on the Knicks besides PJ Tucker?
• 44:53
  That's what I'm. That's why I was trying to think
• 44:55
  about. Is it Cameron?
• 44:57
  Payne. It is Cameron Payne.
• 44:58
  I was going to that. Was his rookie year.
• 45:01
  That was his rookie. Year, Owen.
• 45:03
  Nice he was. 21 when he was on that team.
• 45:06
  All right, so I'm going to give my second guess.
• 45:08
  Is it Landry Fields? No, damn it.
• 45:13
  All right, I'm out. So say the question again,
• 45:16
  because I think this is. So, so they got the, they got
• 45:18
  the current player that's campaign.
• 45:20
  So there are two former Knicks that were on that OKC Thunder
• 45:25
  roster in 2015, 2016. Felton.
• 45:32
  No, not Raymond Felton. He was another one that played
• 45:37
  for everybody, too. No doubt.
• 45:39
  At the end there, yeah. Let's see.
• 45:45
  So scoops, I believe you have two guesses left.
• 45:48
  Java you got. To if I looked at the two, if I
• 45:50
  looked at the 2015 OKC Thunder right now, I can.
• 45:54
  No, I don't think you actually made a guess yet.
• 45:56
  Java. I don't think you did.
• 45:57
  Oh, problem is, I don't even know who played on the Knicks.
• 46:00
  So because they've been so trash for so long that.
• 46:03
  It's an excellent point. I don't even know.
• 46:06
  So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.
• 46:10
  I'm gonna pick. Did they still have cancer on
• 46:14
  the team? Man, I'm sorry.
• 46:19
  Freedom. Are you guessing that?
• 46:23
  Andre Roberson. I'm going to see Andre
• 46:25
  Robertson. Scoop So are you guessing
• 46:26
  cancer? Cancer.
• 46:27
  Yep, that is. That's correct.
• 46:28
  I forgot it's cancer. I got the other one.
• 46:32
  I'm looking at the roster right now.
• 46:34
  We'll get the roster. Right now, so who is?
• 46:36
  So we got him. Already got it.
• 46:37
  You got he got it. Who's the last?
• 46:39
  One's very obscure. Errol, you got it.
• 46:41
  Steve Novak. No.
• 46:43
  He was on, he played for. That was my next.
• 46:45
  Guess, Steve. Steve Novak.
• 46:47
  Is it Serge Ibaka? No, you.
• 46:49
  Know the Knicks? No, the last one, The last one
• 46:51
  was obscure. It was Nazir Muhammad, but.
• 46:54
  Steve. Nazir.
• 46:56
  Steve Novak played for the Knicks.
• 46:58
  He was terrible for the Knicks, one of the guys, the Knicks.
• 47:01
  Speedy, that's another one right there.
• 47:03
  That ended up being a backup center.
• 47:04
  For Novak, Novak played. Novak played for both teams, so
• 47:09
  Kyle Singler was on that team. Now look at him the.
• 47:12
  Worst Kyle Singler was on a Knick ever the.
• 47:14
  Knicks gave so many backup centers starters money like
• 47:18
  every year without fail they'd like waste a four year contract
• 47:22
  on a terrible can't even be in the league Center for like. 20
• 47:26
  years, it'd be like that. Next question, Speedy.
• 47:31
  Let's go. Speedy, we are going to take the
• 47:34
  win on that one. So Owen, since you are not half
• 47:38
  of that right, we're going to give this one to you.
• 47:40
  Welcome back to the game Where we going?
• 47:42
  Just center centered up. Center.
• 47:46
  Middle. Owen.
• 47:47
  The. Tick Dickner.
• 47:51
  All right. So busy all day today.
• 47:54
  All right, so I mentioned there's a couple Subway Series
• 47:57
  ones on here. We'll go to that one first.
• 47:59
  So which again, you can each get multiple guesses who hit the
• 48:02
  first grand Slams for both teams in Subway Series history.
• 48:06
  I don't even. Know Babe Ruth?
• 48:12
  The Mets did not exist. When Babe Ruth played no Subway
• 48:15
  series started started in the 1990. 7 was the.
• 48:18
  First year of the subway. Series the New York Mets did not
• 48:21
  exist in when Babe Ruth was playing.
• 48:24
  He prayed against Grand Slam again so.
• 48:26
  Do we get like a Yankees guess and a Mets guess?
• 48:29
  You guys get multiple guesses whatever combination you want to
• 48:31
  do. 11 I know for sure is Piazza.
• 48:35
  Piazza's the Mets one good. Job.
• 48:36
  Just the one I was going to pick.
• 48:37
  Well. That that's that's good that
• 48:42
  that was an obvious 1. So then.
• 48:43
  The Yankees. Great 9798 era, right we're.
• 48:47
  Going but I think the Yankees. I think the Yankees is an
• 48:51
  obscure 1 though. I'm gonna go not super obscure.
• 48:54
  I'm gonna say maybe this was a Tino thing.
• 48:57
  Let's go with Tino Martinez, all right?
• 49:02
  You know, I was thinking Godzilla, but that's a little
• 49:05
  too late. No, actually it wasn't on the
• 49:07
  team yet. That's a deck he met so.
• 49:10
  It happened when in 97. No, it didn't happen in 97.
• 49:13
  It was just the first Grand Slam ever in the rivalry.
• 49:16
  It wasn't just 97, it just that's when that's when
• 49:19
  Interleaf play started. The problem with the Yankees is
• 49:22
  they they they've had different players besides the core
• 49:25
  players, they've had different players for a long, long time.
• 49:28
  So, by the way, Carl is incorrect and it's not Bernie
• 49:30
  Williams. No, I don't think it's Bernie
• 49:33
  Williams. I know that's a good guess
• 49:34
  though. That's why I was like, he
• 49:36
  didn't, he didn't ask this question because it would be
• 49:38
  like one of the obvious ones. It's going to be something crazy
• 49:42
  like Glen Allen Hill or something.
• 49:44
  Like 1 dude that was like half a year like.
• 49:47
  Louis Soho. Jose Canseco.
• 49:50
  That was Louis was done by then. All right, seriously, I'll make
• 49:56
  I'll make my second guess. We already had the Mets fest, so
• 49:59
  it has to be Yankee and it had to be in the 98 ERA.
• 50:02
  We already got a couple of guesses.
• 50:06
  Grand Slam. Let's go with.
• 50:18
  Was. Nope all.
• 50:22
  Right, I'm out. OK, I got all right.
• 50:27
  Would it be God? I'm thinking like, he asked, was
• 50:32
  Bellinger's dad on the team at the time?
• 50:35
  Yeah, I think he was in that era.
• 50:37
  He absolutely was. He was on at least one of those.
• 50:43
  Champions. Yeah, that's what I was
• 50:44
  thinking. What's his name?
• 50:45
  I'll give it with my second guess.
• 50:48
  Clay, Clay. Clay Bellinger.
• 50:51
  Nope. Ah Dang, I'm out.
• 50:57
  I wonder if it's his. What's his face that came up for
• 50:59
  the hot month in September? Cheryl, you're awfully quiet
• 51:05
  over there. I don't.
• 51:05
  Know if they did that interleague play that late?
• 51:08
  Back. I'll just take a guess just for
• 51:09
  the sake of taking a guess. They did it earlier.
• 51:11
  Back you ready, Scott Brochus? Nope.
• 51:16
  What a love, Brochus. And it starts.
• 51:22
  What a great name pull. Not they're just throwing
• 51:25
  throwing hands. My favorite from those teams
• 51:29
  was. All right, Speedy, just give us
• 51:32
  the answer. Well, you guys diverted from it,
• 51:33
  You, you mentioned it before, it wasn't that came out.
• 51:35
  So what's the answer? See.
• 51:39
  I was like, what year was it, 2000?
• 51:42
  Three, the first. Yankees, 2000.
• 51:45
  Three, I was the. Yankees Grand Slam in the subway
• 51:48
  and. He said no, and I was.
• 51:49
  Like I didn't say no, I never said no.
• 51:51
  We we didn't realize that it would take him six years to hit
• 51:54
  the fucking. Yeah, he didn't.
• 51:55
  He didn't say because I knew because.
• 51:57
  All I said was I started in 97. I didn't say it was both in 97.
• 52:01
  Yeah, I think the 97 threw us off.
• 52:04
  Goody, we're going to listen to you next time and then yell at
• 52:08
  you when you're wrong so. Dude, I'm so smart.
• 52:12
  You guys are just not on my level dude.
• 52:14
  Gotcha. Where are we going, Speedy?
• 52:17
  Let's go bottom left. I think I'm lost with the LSU
• 52:20
  degree. All right, let's go to the next
• 52:25
  question. All right, I've got to pick up
• 52:26
  the pace a little bit, Speedy all.
• 52:28
  Right, let's go to some. So obviously we know about Mika
• 52:30
  Rotnen's big pace. He has nine goals already this
• 52:32
  postseason. Who?
• 52:34
  Give me that chicken Curry. Who has the Dallas Stars record
• 52:37
  for a single postseason with 13? What was the question?
• 52:40
  Madonna. The.
• 52:41
  Dallas Stars record for most goals in a single postseason
• 52:44
  with 13. It is not Mike Madonna.
• 52:46
  Damn. Stars.
• 52:49
  I'm out on this. I don't even know.
• 52:51
  Is this hockey or is this soccer?
• 52:53
  Is this? Hockey.
• 52:54
  I don't have any soccer. Questions.
• 52:56
  I don't have any soccer questions, Goody.
• 52:59
  Can I relinquish my pick? Like I said, old pick to like
• 53:01
  fish or something. Are we talking about bowling?
• 53:05
  Oh my God. I.
• 53:05
  Almost just. Threw up it Was it whole?
• 53:08
  It was 1 post season. He had thirteen goals.
• 53:12
  I can't think of the guy's first name.
• 53:14
  Something whole. No, it wasn't whole.
• 53:16
  No are. You talking about Brett Hall?
• 53:17
  It's not him. Yeah, I love Brett.
• 53:20
  He did play for Dallas. I'm talking about for.
• 53:22
  Dallas. Saint Francois.
• 53:25
  What time, speedy? So, so the actually the player
• 53:28
  just retired kind of recently. Yeah, Francois, no.
• 53:34
  What's his last name? I can't give his.
• 53:37
  That's it. Same.
• 53:38
  Same Pierre Francois. I can't give his.
• 53:40
  Last name. I forgot his name.
• 53:42
  There's two guys that I could I could predict it was, but I
• 53:45
  can't remember their names. Was he a captain?
• 53:50
  Was the guy's name. He was.
• 53:51
  Was he a captain of the. Team I will find out.
• 53:52
  I'm pretty sure he was at least an assistant though.
• 53:56
  I think he was a big power winger if they think.
• 54:00
  It's not Jamie. It wasn't.
• 54:02
  It wasn't Jamie. It's not Jamie.
• 54:04
  Bet it's not. The player's not active right
• 54:06
  now, OK. Was it new and dyke?
• 54:09
  Nope, but he was second. Joe New and Dyke was second.
• 54:12
  That's a good guess. Java.
• 54:16
  I know he went off one year. Yes he did.
• 54:18
  He had, he had 12 he's #2. On the that's why I always
• 54:21
  remembered him, because his last name.
• 54:24
  He Daikin. Yes, he was an assistant captain
• 54:26
  when he was there at this point. Thank you though.
• 54:33
  I don't know dude, I got nothing.
• 54:35
  All right, I will let Scoop relinquish his guest to fish for
• 54:37
  one more guess. There we go.
• 54:39
  Fish. Oh geez.
• 54:42
  He was traded to Dallas and I remember and he was, I'm pretty
• 54:46
  sure in my mind. Was it a defenseman?
• 54:48
  Speedy? No.
• 54:48
  I can't tell you that. It wasn't a defenseman.
• 54:52
  You can't tell me that. Oh no.
• 54:57
  But how? Am I supposed to read that
• 54:59
  because I have this vague memory of a former Ranger?
• 55:04
  Was he? Was he a Ranger before he was a
• 55:06
  *? He was not.
• 55:07
  And when is Stanley Cup with a Ranger?
• 55:08
  He was not a Ranger, ever. I would have liked him.
• 55:12
  Oh. Lord.
• 55:13
  It wasn't ever a rager. So come on, let's just go
• 55:15
  speedy. Let's go.
• 55:16
  I slowed down. I got.
• 55:17
  Ovechkin No. National Vechkin play for
• 55:20
  watching this all quick God speedy.
• 55:22
  Yeah, the answer, Errol, you're kind of on the right track.
• 55:24
  Joe Pavelski is Pavelski. Oh, same.
• 55:28
  No, we bag and. He played, he Joe Pavelski was a
• 55:31
  Great American goal scorer he played for.
• 55:33
  Saint Louis on the. Rangers no sharks.
• 55:35
  No, we want, we want to take Rickner back.
• 55:37
  His questions are Lily. Pavelski also played for Saint
• 55:39
  Louis are. Kind of hard.
• 55:41
  In his career. Where we going, Speedy?
• 55:43
  Top left will go this time. How many wipes did Shoeless Joe
• 55:48
  Jackson use when he wiped his asshole in 1919?
• 55:50
  I don't know, Speedy. All right, other questions he
• 55:54
  asked. All right, back to the NBA.
• 55:56
  We'll go for this one. Who was the Knicks leading
• 55:58
  scorer in their playoff series versus the Pacers in 2000 and
• 56:02
  the second leading scorer for the Timberwolves in O4?
• 56:05
  The leading scorer for the Knicks that year was free.
• 56:07
  Well. Everywhere's correct.
• 56:09
  That's the answer. I said speed roll immediately.
• 56:12
  I remember when he was over on the Timberwolves after that.
• 56:14
  I was going to say it too, What the fuck?
• 56:17
  I know, but I went, yeah, well, I was going to.
• 56:18
  Pick his roster, enlarge my You cut me off and you and you say
• 56:23
  you win. Yeah.
• 56:25
  Cuz this Oh, you got to get the second guy.
• 56:27
  You lose bro. Nemo, you got to get the second
• 56:29
  guy, Sorry. You know what we're going to do?
• 56:33
  Did we get the second guy? No, no, it was that.
• 56:35
  No, it was just that guy with two teams it.
• 56:38
  Wasn't too quiet. Gotcha.
• 56:39
  Well. Where do we want to go?
• 56:43
  Because now I'm going to. Group I like to go up your ass,
• 56:45
  so stick my name right at the tail end of your ass.
• 56:48
  OK, not surprising. Arrow and butt stuff again.
• 56:51
  Here we go. Yeah, he's one of Nathan's
• 56:54
  Famous butt plugs. All right, so.
• 56:57
  Yeah. Root together?
• 56:58
  Where? Where are we going?
• 57:01
  You're going to the Huskers. We're trying to.
• 57:02
  Cut block speedy. Block speedy.
• 57:05
  Yeah, we're trying to win this game.
• 57:07
  Right over there on. The Husky any day now.
• 57:10
  Just move. Sorry I had to do the stupid
• 57:13
  crap that you have to do. All right, there it is.
• 57:16
  We have blocked it by covering the.
• 57:18
  All right. What's the next question?
• 57:19
  All right, in honor of Owens favorite quarterback signing a
• 57:22
  big contract with the 49ers, Brock Purdy is one of two Mr.
• 57:27
  Irrelevance in the 21st century who's made a Pro Bowl.
• 57:30
  The other one was a kicker from the 2009 draft.
• 57:33
  Who would be? Who was that?
• 57:36
  Shitting me? Aye aye Taker from 2009.
• 57:43
  Yep. Another one that just retired
• 57:44
  recently, I believe two years ago, three years ago, something
• 57:48
  like that. Yeah, he's the one.
• 57:49
  That's he's the one that screwed me with that Chicago game.
• 57:53
  No, he wasn't. Nah, not Crosby.
• 57:56
  And no, it's not who you're thinking of either.
• 57:58
  That was Robbie Gold, and it's not that he's not the answer.
• 58:02
  I don't know why I have this name.
• 58:03
  It just popped in my head. I have no idea why.
• 58:06
  Oh, Nate Kading. Nope.
• 58:10
  All right. Who played for San Francisco?
• 58:13
  No, he didn't play for San Francisco.
• 58:14
  He was Mr. Irrelevant to pick. He was a 2009.
• 58:19
  The last pick. Last pick of the draft, he
• 58:21
  didn't play. He never played for the 49ers.
• 58:23
  He played for three different teams, I believe.
• 58:24
  He played for Tampa. He did play for Tampa I.
• 58:27
  Don't know his. Name.
• 58:28
  I remember this guy, the kicker that the.
• 58:32
  Some kicker. Is it he was, he was like a
• 58:34
  Mexican kicker, right? He was a Mexican kicker.
• 58:36
  He was a soccer player. He's got one guy that got
• 58:39
  drafted last in the draft. I can't think of his name.
• 58:42
  I don't know his name. All right, so I'll give you I'll
• 58:44
  give you another hint. He won a Super Bowl with Tampa.
• 58:46
  Scoops is right about that. And he was drafted by a team
• 58:49
  that also has won a Super Bowl recently.
• 58:52
  Eagles, right? Wait, so he was with that Tampa?
• 58:56
  Team So he won with Tampa. He did not win with this other
• 58:59
  team, but he was drafted by this other team that has won a Super
• 59:02
  Bowl within the last five years. I don't.
• 59:04
  Know and you said he retired, just retired.
• 59:06
  He retired recently. Let me find the exact year he
• 59:09
  retired. I think it was 2022.
• 59:11
  We're spending too long on this. Let's let's go.
• 59:14
  I honestly don't know. We don't know.
• 59:15
  Let's go. So Jabba.
• 59:18
  He retired in YEAH, 2027. They don't know.
• 59:21
  Go. Who is it?
• 59:23
  Anyone else have a quick guess? No go.
• 59:26
  All right, it was Ryan. Suck up.
• 59:27
  Yeah, like they're going to get that suck.
• 59:29
  Up. Suck up.
• 59:30
  Nobody knows. I know who that was.
• 59:34
  Even Call is getting it wrong. He's not cheating or any of that
• 59:37
  stuff. He's trying to.
• 59:38
  Nobody. Grammatical, but I thought he
• 59:41
  got drafted. Nobody knew it was.
• 59:43
  Suck up. I couldn't think of it either.
• 59:45
  Speedy, who do we got? All right, let's go bottom
• 59:49
  right. You guys had no idea that was
• 59:51
  sucker. Get out of here.
• 59:54
  I knew who sucked up was. I said swar ho.
• 59:56
  I said swar ho. I've heard the name.
• 59:59
  Of course we've heard the name. We were never getting that
• 1:00:02
  right. OK, Never.
• 1:00:04
  All right. Speedy All right, so this one,
• 1:00:05
  this one's for the win. I win you guys.
• 1:00:09
  We went the middle row. I went with the bottom row.
• 1:00:10
  Spit. It out, We'll go to Subway
• 1:00:12
  Series again. Who is the only player to hit 90
• 1:00:14
  or more home runs for both the Yankees and the Mets in their
• 1:00:17
  career? For both.
• 1:00:21
  For both teams. Or combined.
• 1:00:23
  Nope, both Darrell. Strawberry.
• 1:00:24
  Both teams he hit 90 or more home runs.
• 1:00:26
  Yeah, I'd say it, Cody. It is not Darrell Strawberry.
• 1:00:30
  Darrell Strawberry. Nope, I don't.
• 1:00:33
  Think he was with the Yankees long enough the.
• 1:00:35
  Yankees. Those Good guess.
• 1:00:38
  And had 90 homers for both teams.
• 1:00:40
  He's. The only player with 90 or more
• 1:00:42
  home runs for both teams. What the freak who played for
• 1:00:49
  both teams long enough to have the.
• 1:00:52
  I have an idea. You ready?
• 1:00:53
  All right, Willie Randolph? Nope.
• 1:00:58
  That's a good guess. I like Willie.
• 1:01:01
  All right, how about Robin Ventura?
• 1:01:03
  Nope. Damn.
• 1:01:06
  Speeding your mom? Come on.
• 1:01:08
  What do you mean? Was that a sound bite or was
• 1:01:11
  that you just laughed? No, that was him.
• 1:01:13
  That was him just. Saying smell my ass.
• 1:01:15
  That was a sound bite. Hold on.
• 1:01:18
  Did I? Did I play with him?
• 1:01:21
  Did you play? With him, I believe.
• 1:01:23
  Yes, I believe you did. Oh, it's Curtis Granderson.
• 1:01:26
  You are correct. The grandy man can.
• 1:01:30
  Way to go, Jabba. I was just trying to think who
• 1:01:33
  played for both of them long enough to.
• 1:01:34
  Get my dog wants your Pussycat. Yeah.
• 1:01:38
  Didn't Granderson have a year where he had like 30 homers and
• 1:01:41
  31 RBIs? Ram Jam with the Mets.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah, and then he had one year where he hit like almost 50.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah, that was Aladdin. That was, that was.
• 1:01:49
  The first year I ever did fantasy baseball.
• 1:01:51
  Bagel Hole I. Remember that well.
• 1:01:53
  And my my brother, I think my. Brother, I'm putting you on a
• 1:01:55
  leash. Now we're gonna.
• 1:01:57
  Go and win, what a great job by us.
• 1:02:03
  Breaking news. The best?
• 1:02:04
  Sweetie Owen. Glory hole.
• 1:02:08
  Although we love speedy, we need the tick back to tic tac no it
• 1:02:13
  up. Oh, he's ticking and he's
• 1:02:15
  tacking and he's a very tacky person.
• 1:02:18
  Don't worry. I got some 1820 baseball
• 1:02:20
  questions coming your way. I hope you have a nice pink
• 1:02:23
  dress and a nice wig because that's coming up.
• 1:02:26
  Ladies and gentlemen, we're not forgetting.
• 1:02:28
  When is that coming on? A Jabba?
• 1:02:30
  You'll have to send you some some whiskey from your company
• 1:02:32
  so we could sulk. The Brock Purdy contract.
• 1:02:35
  For sure. Oh, man.
• 1:02:38
  All right, ladies and gentlemen, our next segment actually,
• 1:02:43
  actually do we. Yeah, we're going right into a
• 1:02:46
  call to the pen. It's done, I think.
• 1:02:49
  You can throw a strike on this. Pitch, it's not going to be my
• 1:02:51
  John it. Feels like jello right now.
• 1:02:53
  Just get it over the plate I. Want him to swing?
• 1:02:54
  Last time I did that the guy hit one that hasn't landed yet or a
• 1:02:57
  call to the pen. OK, guys.
• 1:03:01
  So this is a call to the pen. We're going to bring Goody and
• 1:03:05
  Jabba to the forefront a little bit and ask them some questions
• 1:03:09
  that are really related to pitch in this situation, pitching, but
• 1:03:14
  bullpen in general. But Goody, you brought this up
• 1:03:16
  to me earlier today and it was in line with injuries in the
• 1:03:20
  league. And I thought we would just kind
• 1:03:22
  of talk about it generally and not just how teams deal with
• 1:03:28
  guys that get hurt. You know, not just older
• 1:03:30
  players, but especially younger players as they're coming into
• 1:03:33
  the league and younger pitchers specifically, right?
• 1:03:36
  You see a lot of innings caps. Everyone knows the magic number
• 1:03:39
  of 100 pitches for a long time was like this first like
• 1:03:43
  restrictor plate that they, you know, organizations put on
• 1:03:47
  starting pitching. It used to be guys like, I mean,
• 1:03:49
  Al Leiter famously went what, 700 pitches one game for the for
• 1:03:53
  the Yankees or for the Mets or whatever it was against the
• 1:03:56
  Yankees, right? It was just, you know, guys,
• 1:03:58
  that's for yo on Santana famously with a no hitter and
• 1:04:02
  then the arms gone right after that.
• 1:04:04
  We all know that happened, you know, kind of crazy.
• 1:04:08
  So they had the 100 pitches, but now it's gotten a lot farther
• 1:04:11
  than that. And you guys know better than I
• 1:04:13
  do. And I wanted to ask you not just
• 1:04:16
  like the things in Java, famously, you know, we know all
• 1:04:19
  about the Java rules that they've tried to put on you for
• 1:04:23
  this reason, trying to balance health with competitiveness both
• 1:04:28
  short term and long term as a franchise.
• 1:04:30
  And I think we've seen what not to do in certain situations,
• 1:04:35
  unfortunately for some of us. And also I think you guys have
• 1:04:41
  probably really good formed opinions and from your
• 1:04:43
  experiences on how you think the team should do this.
• 1:04:47
  So I wanted to reach out to you guys about this in our call to
• 1:04:51
  the pen Java. What do you think?
• 1:04:55
  For me, I, I don't think everybody is the same.
• 1:04:58
  I mean, you, you look at guys who they said had perfect
• 1:05:02
  mechanics, you know, perfect. And Mark Pryor and Steven
• 1:05:05
  Schrosberg, what happened? They both blew up.
• 1:05:06
  They said Tim Lindscombe had the worst mechanics of all time.
• 1:05:09
  He goes and wins 2 Cy Youngs and in World Series and really,
• 1:05:13
  really stayed fairly healthy for most of his career.
• 1:05:15
  So I think it's an individual basis because, and, and really,
• 1:05:19
  if you look at it, it's like, OK, innings pitches, how like,
• 1:05:23
  how are you going to do it? Or we're going to keep your
• 1:05:25
  innings down. Well, in, in some cases it
• 1:05:28
  doesn't work. You're either going to blow out
• 1:05:30
  or you're not. And it's why would you not let
• 1:05:33
  your guy pitch to his ability, even if he's going because you
• 1:05:37
  can't predict it. I mean, all these all these
• 1:05:39
  analytical geeks that don't know anything about anything and be
• 1:05:43
  like, well, if he throws his pitches, 18% is increase and
• 1:05:48
  blah, blah, blah. Well, yeah, but that doesn't
• 1:05:51
  mean he's going to. So I, I think it's a case to
• 1:05:54
  case basis on maybe previous injury, if there's been previous
• 1:05:59
  surgeries. I just don't think it's 100
• 1:06:02
  pitches or hey, he can only throw 150 innings if he's if
• 1:06:07
  he's dealing. You think the Pirates are going
• 1:06:10
  to shut down Paul's schemes? No, like it makes zero sense to
• 1:06:15
  me. And I make sure it's sense to
• 1:06:17
  you but but it might long for long term for them which I don't
• 1:06:22
  always agree with. But you don't know how, You
• 1:06:24
  can't predict the future, dog. I understand.
• 1:06:27
  Like you can OK, say he throws this many pitches, this has
• 1:06:30
  happened to this guy, that it doesn't happen to everybody.
• 1:06:34
  This is true, but they're protecting their long term
• 1:06:36
  investment. Is that so?
• 1:06:37
  It's either win now and and put the players.
• 1:06:40
  First of all, they're not going to win now.
• 1:06:41
  He's had 33 starts, he's 14 and eight with a 21, and they fired
• 1:06:45
  their manager because of that. It ain't because he just went
• 1:06:48
  the other day 8. Innings 8.
• 1:06:50
  Innings 1. Run and lost with 9 punches.
• 1:06:54
  I know. They're not stopping him at 100
• 1:06:56
  pitches. Well, I understand, but my my
• 1:07:00
  thing is do they risk their potential long term investment
• 1:07:04
  for a win now scenario or do they just let him ride?
• 1:07:10
  And that's where that's where it that's where it comes into play.
• 1:07:13
  Now, if they start shutting them down like they did with
• 1:07:14
  Strasbourg, especially like come the postseason or even the lefty
• 1:07:21
  for Tampa and now he's with the Dodgers and he was with Tampa in
• 1:07:26
  the pussy and they shut him down at no, not glass.
• 1:07:29
  Now he's he won the Saiyan Snell Snell.
• 1:07:33
  Oh yeah, they shut him down after like 80 pitches in the in
• 1:07:36
  the 6th inning or whatever it was.
• 1:07:39
  When Cash took him out within, like, yeah, it was like 78
• 1:07:42
  pitches or something. Like that absolutely cruising
• 1:07:44
  and they took and yes, like why are you doing that?
• 1:07:48
  Leave him in there, Let him ride, let him go 100 pitches,
• 1:07:50
  110 pitches, whatever the case may be, but and that had a lot
• 1:07:55
  of backlash, not with not only within the baseball community,
• 1:07:59
  but he obviously was extremely pissed about that too.
• 1:08:02
  But but the front office is like, oh, let's take him out.
• 1:08:06
  You know? Well, you know they're.
• 1:08:08
  They're one of the biggest analytical teams that they're
• 1:08:10
  there are, but. I understand.
• 1:08:12
  No, Carl, I I agree with Carl. He's like they overused Pryor in
• 1:08:16
  wood. But I understand that what I
• 1:08:18
  think hurts more is the back and forth, like, OK, you can only
• 1:08:22
  throw this. So how am I supposed to be
• 1:08:23
  prepared to be a Garrett Cole? Garrett Cole never had an
• 1:08:27
  innings limit and he finally got hurt.
• 1:08:30
  What was it last year or the year before recently?
• 1:08:33
  Beginning of the year. But yeah, and so it took him
• 1:08:37
  that long. That doesn't happen to
• 1:08:40
  everybody. It's a case by case, by the way.
• 1:08:43
  Jabba, by the way, Jabba is right.
• 1:08:45
  Garrett Cole got hurt about a year ago and and that's why
• 1:08:49
  nobody wanted to sign him at the end of the season and why he
• 1:08:51
  brought back into the contract because he was already hurt.
• 1:08:54
  And the Yankees knew that and so did Garrett Cole.
• 1:08:56
  And then all of a sudden, the story came out this year before
• 1:08:59
  the season started so. He wasn't going anywhere.
• 1:09:02
  Anywhere. He's the.
• 1:09:02
  Yankee for. I know that now.
• 1:09:04
  He was drafted by the Yankees before he decided to go and play
• 1:09:08
  for you. What was it, USC?
• 1:09:10
  Right, UCLA. UCLA and then he went back in
• 1:09:13
  the draft and he was drafted by Pittsburgh.
• 1:09:15
  So yeah, with Bauer, yeah. But but teams also use like load
• 1:09:21
  management. They'll skip starts, they'll do
• 1:09:23
  that. They'll I don't.
• 1:09:24
  Do it. I don't like that because my
• 1:09:27
  body needs to be consistent so I can know what my body can and
• 1:09:31
  can't do now like. We are cut from a different
• 1:09:35
  cloth. Kids nowadays are like the kid
• 1:09:38
  was it Gilbert for Seattle's like 80 pitches.
• 1:09:40
  I'm done after 80 pitches or whatever it was.
• 1:09:42
  He said in one of his interviews.
• 1:09:43
  Like don't put me to 100 pitches.
• 1:09:45
  Like they just it's a little different that they're the way
• 1:09:47
  that they see the game is a very is drastically different from
• 1:09:50
  the game that we saw at where I played with Trevor Bauer, who
• 1:09:53
  would go 120 pitches every time or Corey Kluber that would get
• 1:09:56
  pitching to the 7th inning or CC Sabathia that would throw like
• 1:09:59
  that. And now it's like, it's very,
• 1:10:02
  it's very structured and it's all analytical matchups.
• 1:10:06
  Every, they have every number on and every single guy.
• 1:10:10
  And, and the third time through the lineup, Jabra Chamberlain is
• 1:10:14
  the bet the hitters are hitting 382 off of them and you're
• 1:10:16
  throwing a perfect game. But you're like, oh, you know,
• 1:10:19
  or your, whatever the case, perfect game a little different.
• 1:10:22
  That's a little drastic. But let's say you've given up
• 1:10:23
  one run and you're absolutely dominating.
• 1:10:25
  But that third time through the lineup, you flip it three times,
• 1:10:28
  you're they're hitting 380. They're going to go to the pen.
• 1:10:31
  It doesn't matter. That's the way that the game is.
• 1:10:33
  And that's why I think the game is not as good as it was, as it
• 1:10:37
  as it was back then. And unfortunately that's the way
• 1:10:40
  it is right now. And I think when till we get
• 1:10:42
  more former players in the front office, until we get more former
• 1:10:46
  players actually coaching at the highest levels, it's going to
• 1:10:50
  remain that. Way.
• 1:10:50
  It's all because a man freed that little bastard.
• 1:10:56
  I just know from like coaching youth sports that when you see
• 1:10:59
  somebody like make a breakthrough and you know, they
• 1:11:02
  start, you know, maybe they found a new arm slot, you know,
• 1:11:05
  slightly different or maybe new release point.
• 1:11:08
  You know, it's just something that was just a minor tweak that
• 1:11:11
  now is a difference. And now they have confidence and
• 1:11:13
  you can tell that they're acting more confident in themselves.
• 1:11:18
  You don't want to take them out when guys are feeling like that,
• 1:11:21
  in my opinion. And I think that's an eye test
• 1:11:23
  thing. And I think that's a knowing
• 1:11:26
  your teammate thing, knowing a coach, knowing their player
• 1:11:29
  thing. And that separates the the good
• 1:11:32
  coaches from the bad coaches. And I think when you only use
• 1:11:35
  numbers and don't do things like that too, or have a guy that
• 1:11:38
  knows how to do things like that and use the numbers, I think
• 1:11:42
  which is probably why Terry Franco is the best, because he
• 1:11:46
  understands the analytics and it's probably that kind of a
• 1:11:48
  coach. Stop kissing their ass.
• 1:11:49
  Stop it. Look, I'm.
• 1:11:51
  Talking about. One of these.
• 1:11:52
  Things stop it. Think about this though.
• 1:11:55
  Analytics cost the Rays the championship.
• 1:11:58
  Now think about what happened back-to-back years.
• 1:12:01
  Dudes over 70 that are baseball guys and Dusty Baker and Bruce
• 1:12:05
  Bocci. What did they do?
• 1:12:06
  They managed the game. They didn't manage the numbers.
• 1:12:10
  They managed the game. And look, they were going to,
• 1:12:14
  Dusty was going to take out what's the lefty Framber,
• 1:12:19
  because the numbers said the third time through, it was like
• 1:12:24
  went up like 60 points. He left them in.
• 1:12:27
  What happened? He got you 8 innings because you
• 1:12:31
  managed the game. You don't manage the numbers.
• 1:12:33
  You just know your players. It's all about knowing, knowing
• 1:12:36
  your players in the game. Well, dude, the, the issue is,
• 1:12:41
  is the modern manager, the younger managers are being
• 1:12:46
  heavily influenced by the front office and the analytical
• 1:12:49
  department, because that's the issue.
• 1:12:51
  The older managers, the Tito Francona's, the Bruce Bogies of
• 1:12:56
  the world, Those guys have made their, they've made their
• 1:13:00
  career. They're they know they, they,
• 1:13:02
  they will take the information, but at the end of the day, it's
• 1:13:05
  their ship and their team and they will end up making the
• 1:13:08
  call. That's why it's pretty ironic
• 1:13:11
  or, or how ironic is it that the old like Bruce Bocci won just
• 1:13:16
  recently the world, you know, the World Series.
• 1:13:18
  Who was his GMC? Why he was a player.
• 1:13:22
  That, that, that was my point before and I, I don't mind
• 1:13:25
  people who have never played the game being in the game.
• 1:13:28
  I think there's some value to the analytics.
• 1:13:29
  I really do. But at the end of the day, until
• 1:13:32
  you strapped it on for 162 and then then some in the
• 1:13:35
  postseason, it's really hard to make assumptions on, on what
• 1:13:39
  people should do. Because although the numbers say
• 1:13:43
  that through the third time through, he's hitting 350, like
• 1:13:46
  this guy's got more sacked than the guy in the bullpen and he's
• 1:13:48
  pitching his, his Dick off right now.
• 1:13:50
  So we're going to roll with him. And I, I, I agree with you.
• 1:13:53
  There's, there's, there's a place for the numbers.
• 1:13:56
  I, I trust me, I agree. I'm not that ignorant to know
• 1:13:59
  that there's not. But there's also a place in
• 1:14:02
  where you got to put eyes to the product and see.
• 1:14:04
  Well, that's my whole point. That is my whole point that the
• 1:14:07
  the older managers have feel for the game.
• 1:14:10
  They they, they, you know, not necessarily, they don't
• 1:14:12
  necessarily need the job, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:15
  They want to do it because they love the game.
• 1:14:17
  And probably there's some stipulations in there to where
• 1:14:20
  it's like, hey, I'm taking this role, but I'm going to manage
• 1:14:23
  this team the way that I want to manage it and not be so
• 1:14:25
  influenced by the analytical department.
• 1:14:27
  Whereas newer managers and younger managers that come in
• 1:14:30
  might feel a little, I don't know what the word is.
• 1:14:35
  I don't want to say intimidated because they're there, but they
• 1:14:38
  might feel like, oh, I got to go with the numbers to make
• 1:14:42
  somebody happy and it and if it's my end.
• 1:14:45
  And here's the thing, they're always going to be the fall guy
• 1:14:48
  for it. And they can't just come out and
• 1:14:50
  say the analytical department, the front office told me to do
• 1:14:54
  it because at that point you're just a talking mouth for the
• 1:14:57
  analytics and you might as well not even be there.
• 1:14:59
  Like the guys who grow set and they're managing the team the
• 1:15:02
  way they want to manage it. And they make the decisions do
• 1:15:04
  and die like that. They probably don't last long in
• 1:15:07
  this game. And they ended up managing in
• 1:15:09
  Mexico or something. But that's the way that's the
• 1:15:12
  way it is. And I'm not saying that for
• 1:15:14
  everybody, but I'm saying that for the younger guys.
• 1:15:18
  That's really great stuff guys. And the last thing I wanted to
• 1:15:23
  bring up to you before we wrap this up, so you have these young
• 1:15:27
  pitchers that are leading the steps.
• 1:15:28
  You mentioned schemes and they're going to let him ride
• 1:15:30
  with them. So I've seen, and we've all seen
• 1:15:35
  it, a guy hits that 150 innings pitched plateau and then they
• 1:15:40
  kind of let him go a little. The leash goes a little bit
• 1:15:43
  longer. But guys that haven't really
• 1:15:45
  done that yet, they usually try to limit their innings.
• 1:15:49
  Is there a good way to do that? Is it like, bring him up later
• 1:15:53
  in the year, keep him in the minors, have him pitch more like
• 1:15:56
  simulated games that are less taxing?
• 1:15:59
  Or is it, you know, you sit him down middle of the season and
• 1:16:03
  ramp him back up? Or is it you make him a reliever
• 1:16:07
  for that postseason? I feel like we've seen it only
• 1:16:10
  those three ways, and I don't. And I just wanted to see what
• 1:16:13
  you guys thought about it. And then Jabba, obviously they
• 1:16:15
  tried to, you know, limit innings with you when you were
• 1:16:18
  up. And I just wanted to hear your
• 1:16:20
  take, you know, tell your especially your fans, you know,
• 1:16:23
  like kind of like the consensus verdict on how you feel about
• 1:16:26
  it. I mean, for me, I just, I was
• 1:16:29
  just happy to be in the big leagues.
• 1:16:31
  Like I, you know, whatever you wanted me to do, I didn't care.
• 1:16:35
  But as I got going and as I mentioned earlier, I think the
• 1:16:38
  thing that that didn't help my process was going back and
• 1:16:42
  forth. I went back and forth 6/6 times.
• 1:16:46
  I never got spent down to the minor leagues after the first
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  time to build my pitch count, I didn't do any of that.
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  It was like, hey, you're going to start for the first three
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  weeks of spring training, and then you're going to go, and
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  then you're going to go to the pen.
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  Then the next year it was like, hey, we're going to start you in
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  the pen, and then we're going to move you a starter.
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  And then it's like, hey, you're already at 140 innings.
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  Now you get 10, you get 10 days rest.
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  Well, now you're trying to find a routine for your body.
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  And they're like, well, you know, you've gotten rest before
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  and pitched good, but they're like, you can just simulate
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  pitching by just working out harder.
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  No, you can't. I can't have a greased BB runs
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  on second and third in the 6th inning with the three hole head
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  and like, no, but it's not getting in there.
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  Like it's it's just you can't simulate that.
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  Yeah. Can I push my body in a workout
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  or a swim or whatever it is 100%, But I can't do it when I'm
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  trying to manage a game in my head.
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  Yeah, it's like, oh, I'm going to throw a SIM game.
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  OK, If I give up a hit, I'm starting in five days anyways.
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  What does it really matter? So for me, what really came down
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  to was the back. If you were going to, if I was
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  going to start spring training as a starter, then leave me
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  there. If I'm going to be in the
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  bullpen, leave me there. I don't want to do the back and
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  forth. And that ended up to to what had
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  happened. I remember had a great
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  conversation with Wade Davis about this because they were
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  starting to do that to him a little bit.
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  And he was like, hey, I know you've gone through this.
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  And this is like right as he was starting and getting hit a
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  little bit and they're like, we might move you to the pen
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  because your innings. And he he was just like, what do
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  I do? I go, man, if I can give you any
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  advice, it's you sit down and tell them if I'm starting at
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  one, I'm staying there. And look what his career in the
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  bullpen turned into. So that for me is you have guys
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  that are built to be situational starters.
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  Like there are those guys, but they've done it their entire
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  career. So they know it's like you might
• 1:18:40
  have to get a spot started, dude, you know, just got his
• 1:18:43
  shit pushed in and you've got to go in and eat up some innings.
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  So you know, you know that you're that role.
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  But it's like, I don't know how long they're going to give me.
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  And then because I was at so many innings towards the end of
• 1:18:54
  the year, they're like, OK, you have four starts left.
• 1:18:57
  You can go 4 innings, 3 innings, 2 innings, 2 innings.
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  So you're setting me up to fail anyways.
• 1:19:02
  I can't win the game. I can only lose it.
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  I'm real excited to go out there.
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  This is great. Yep.
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  Don't even get a chance to win the game.
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  I can just lose it and I'm just like, this is ridiculous.
• 1:19:12
  And then move me to the pen for the postseason because that was
• 1:19:16
  that was when Socia was bitching about all the extra days that we
• 1:19:19
  got off. So we only needed three starters
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  at that point. I'd made 20, I'd made 27 and 28
• 1:19:24
  that year. And so it wasn't like I wasn't
• 1:19:26
  ready and then moved me there and then.
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  I had good games, I had bad games, but I just never had
• 1:19:30
  anything consistent that year. I went back and forth four times
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  that year. Jesus, goody.
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  Any thoughts? Final thoughts in the matter.
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  No, just finding your roles, doing what doing that is the
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  hardest. Like not knowing your role every
• 1:19:45
  day I think is the hardest position in baseball.
• 1:19:48
  Showing up one day pitching the first inning and showing up the
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  next day pitching the 9th inning.
• 1:19:53
  Never really knowing, never really getting a good feel on
• 1:19:55
  what your your goal is is the hardest thing to do, I think in
• 1:19:59
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