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Bonus Episode - From Charlie Sheen to Caligula, Hedonism Throughout History and More · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more disgrace Land in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about the most hedonistic entertainers from entertainment and just from
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Speaker 1: history in general. Also talking about how to get from
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Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen to Caliguila and three quick steps. This week's
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Speaker 1: full episode subject the Ultimate Disgrace Sean Diddy Combs, your
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Speaker 1: take on well, all kinds of stuff from Diddy to
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Speaker 1: Johnny Rotten and back again, through the rock and roll
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Speaker 1: preservation society known as Disgraceland, and as always a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of Rosie. All right, disc goes, Let's get into it. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: if you do a Google search for the most hedonistic
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Speaker 1: entertainers in Hollywood history, you're going to get some easy
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Speaker 1: returns suggesting quick reads on Peter o'tools, Scottie Bauers, or
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Speaker 1: Bridge of Bardot, or even Charlie Sheen now Peter O'Toole
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Speaker 1: seemed to be more of a classic hell raising but
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Speaker 1: harmless drunk, Scottie Bauers more of a product of his time,
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Speaker 1: a pre summer of love Hollywood, really pimp specializing, and
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Speaker 1: then taboo homosexual hookups. Bardow, of course, exuded sex, and
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Speaker 1: the hedonism associated with her seems to be as much
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Speaker 1: a projection of her horny biographers and it does of
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Speaker 1: her own volition. Charlie Sheen's hedonism was on full public display,
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Speaker 1: as we all know, in the modern Internet era, fueled
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Speaker 1: by ego drugs. It didn't end, but it had an
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Speaker 1: abrupt stop with a public disclosure over a HIV diagnosis
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Speaker 1: and a retreat from the public eye, largely for Charlie Sheen.
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Speaker 1: Although he is back in What's He Back? And I
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Speaker 1: saw him recently in something on HBO I can't remem
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The point is I found none of
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Speaker 1: these returns to be particularly shocking, so I altered my
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Speaker 1: search to most hedonistic historical figures. And when you do this,
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Speaker 1: your first return from the old Google machine will undoubtedly
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Speaker 1: refer you to the Roman emperor Caligula, whose adoptive grandfather Tiberius,
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Speaker 1: played coincidentally by Peter O'Toole alongside Helen Marin and Malcolm
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Speaker 1: McDowell in the nearly X rated Penthouse funded production of
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Speaker 1: the film Caligila. Caligila the historical figure, though the Roman
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Speaker 1: emperor played by McDowell was indeed a sick bastard whose
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Speaker 1: sexual perversion was by any measure unique and horrific. Among
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Speaker 1: Caliguilia's worst offenses is the act of incest against his sisters,
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Speaker 1: not to mention the abuse of minors, and all of
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Speaker 1: this is a side of the very public orgies meant
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Speaker 1: in part to degrade Caligula's subjects. So Google searches and
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Speaker 1: now generative AI searches are interesting to me because they
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Speaker 1: provide a sort of unofficial party line for us as
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Speaker 1: a culture on what our base level understanding is top
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Speaker 1: line understanding, I guess that's the way to put it
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Speaker 1: on specific subjects. So judging from Google's top line, you'd
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Speaker 1: think that hedonism in Hollywood, based on my search, was
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Speaker 1: well kind of quaint, and that if you wanted examples
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Speaker 1: on really sick hedonism. You'd have to go back centuries
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Speaker 1: to the Roman emperor to Caligula, via a nearly X
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Speaker 1: rated seventies flick produced by a skin rag that was
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Speaker 1: universally panned by critics. But we all know that this
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Speaker 1: isn't true. Hedonism is alive and well in Hollywood and
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Speaker 1: has been since the beginning of Hollywood. It's alive and
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Speaker 1: well in culture and has really been that way since
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Speaker 1: the beginning of culture. We know this due to recent history,
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Speaker 1: due to the facts criminal cases that have come to
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Speaker 1: light in modern times, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this hedonistic
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Speaker 1: impulse from powerful men. It's at the root of this
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Speaker 1: week's full episode on Sean Diddycomb's so Part two episode. Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's not the part one episode we did about the
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Speaker 1: nightclub shooting. This is the part two episode that we
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Speaker 1: just released on Tuesday that deals with the current indictments
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Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Coombs is facing in regards to the hedonism.
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Speaker 1: When you read the indictments against Combs, the indictments from
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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, from Little Rod Jones, and the federal indictment
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Speaker 1: as well, you inevitably get to the questions of why
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Speaker 1: and how why did Sean Combs do these things? And
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Speaker 1: if we're to believe the allegations, allegations that Combs denies,
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Speaker 1: why did did he reportedly sexually abuse his girlfriend? And again,
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Speaker 1: if we're to believe the allegations, a whole other host
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Speaker 1: of other alleged victims. When Combs, a billionaire, could presumably
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Speaker 1: get whatever he wanted within the bounds of morality or
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Speaker 1: legal behavior, And if the allegations are true, how how
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Speaker 1: did Combs get to the point where the only way
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Speaker 1: he could satiate himself was through wild, abusive, exploitative sexual behavior.
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Speaker 1: You're going to hear the reason why, the reason why,
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Speaker 1: I think in the episode. You have heard it already
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Speaker 1: if you've listened. If you haven't, you need to check
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Speaker 1: it out. But these questions, the why and the how,
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Speaker 1: they're more interesting to me than which celebrities got caught
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Speaker 1: up on tape at Diddy's parties. It's the psychology behind
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Speaker 1: these alleged crimes that's always been what's interested me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you've made you're a billionaire. You can, within reason, have
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Speaker 1: whichever woman or man you want. You have the resources
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Speaker 1: and the charm, the sweet beautiful people off of their feet.
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Speaker 1: You have kids, you have businesses and employees and scores
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Speaker 1: of people who depend on you and who support you
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Speaker 1: and believe in you. Yet none of that is enough,
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Speaker 1: and the normal, legal, acceptable means of gratification just don't
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Speaker 1: do it for you anymore.
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Speaker 2: So what.
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Speaker 1: You turn yourself into a modern day caligula? It is
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Speaker 1: a fascinating question. The heathenism described, particularly in the Little
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Speaker 1: Rod Jones indictment is it is especially horrific and degrading.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine again, a person with seemingly everything
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Speaker 1: and more to lose behaving in such a way without
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Speaker 1: some sick, sick psychological miswiring driving them. Now, there are
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Speaker 1: many allegations against Didi as we know this, of course,
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Speaker 1: the allegations from the indictments that I deal with solely
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Speaker 1: in this week's episode. But then there are the wild,
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Speaker 1: largely unsubstantiated allegations that are all over TikTok, And these
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Speaker 1: allegations I've largely left them untouched, okay, And when I
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Speaker 1: have brought them up here in the after party, I've
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Speaker 1: been careful to do so. But if you put the
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Speaker 1: conjecture in the rumor aside and you just focus on
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Speaker 1: the allegations and the legal paperwork, as I did in
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Speaker 1: this previous in the story in the previous episode full
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Speaker 1: episode on Diddy, And if you believe these allegations from
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Speaker 1: the indictments that have been legally brought against Combs, and
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Speaker 1: increasingly I do. The more I get into this, the
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Speaker 1: more I believe what is being charged against Combs. Okay again,
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Speaker 1: allegations Shawn Combs denies. If you believe these allegations, then
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Speaker 1: you have to understand that the line for Sean Combs
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Speaker 1: was increasingly pushed, and eventually that line was obliterated beyond
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Speaker 1: the point of no return, to a point where I
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Speaker 1: don't think the personal restraint was even able to be considered.
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Speaker 1: That every impulse was driven by an extreme, unimaginable narcissism
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Speaker 1: and sociopathic impulse. And when you land at this point
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Speaker 1: as an observer of Sean Diddy Combs, you wind up
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Speaker 1: considering some of the wilder, unsubstantiated claims against him, because
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Speaker 1: if he had no line, if he had no restraint,
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Speaker 1: then yeah, maybe he could have done that awful shit
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Speaker 1: that is being alleged. Maybe he could have done those
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Speaker 1: things that Cassie is alleging and who's to say that
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Speaker 1: he couldn't have gone even further and done what is
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Speaker 1: being rumored had happened to Justin Bieber. It's a vicious cycle,
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Speaker 1: and frankly, it's driving me a little crazy. I can't
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Speaker 1: wait for this trial to start, and I can't wait
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Speaker 1: until we hopefully get at the truth here. I don't
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Speaker 1: want to believe these allegations because they're too dark, and
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Speaker 1: as I've said before, for the victim, damage is too severe.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to believe that people can be this
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Speaker 1: awful to other people. But of course I know better,
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Speaker 1: you know better, But still I'd prefer that if the
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Speaker 1: case of Sean Combs, the damage was limited to what
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Speaker 1: we've seen in the indictments. However, as I'm getting to
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Speaker 1: increasingly as I researched this, as I start to more
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Speaker 1: fully understand not just the facts in the indictments, but
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Speaker 1: more of what made Comb's tick, the more I'm led
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Speaker 1: to believe that the worst of this is true, That
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Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs could quite possibly be one of the
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Speaker 1: biggest disgraces, not just in our time, but in any time,
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Speaker 1: a monster capable of standing tall next to towering figures
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Speaker 1: of history towering figures of disgrace like Caligula. One of
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Speaker 1: the items I found in the Caligular wormhole, by the
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Speaker 1: way I got sucked into this, was that the powerful
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Speaker 1: leader sometimes enticed and or forced other powerful leaders into
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Speaker 1: sex as a means to later blackmail them and benefit politically.
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Speaker 1: Now that is very interesting, okay, and you know why,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go there yet, but I'm just
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Speaker 1: going to just going to leave that little tease, and
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Speaker 1: if the facts start to support something like that, something
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Speaker 1: that I'm hinting to here via Coligila, we will get
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Speaker 1: into it. All right, more on this Sean diddy Combe
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Speaker 1: story over the coming months. I got to take a
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Speaker 1: break here, got to take a beat and let more
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Speaker 1: of this story develop before I produce any more full
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Speaker 1: episodes like to what we just released this week. But
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Speaker 1: expect more of the spring as the trial starts to
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Speaker 1: heat up. All right, that's the that's in the future,
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Speaker 1: uh down the road, in the very near future, in
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Speaker 1: the coming days. In the feed this week, we're going
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Speaker 1: back to the very first episode of Disgraceland on Jerry
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Speaker 1: Lee Lewis. And we're doing this on purpose because there's
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Speaker 1: a connection between Jerry Lee Lewis and Sean Diddy Combs.
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Speaker 1: When I wrote and researched that Jerry Lee Lewis episode,
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Speaker 1: I knew where I was being pulled, and it was
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Speaker 1: toward this idea of how Jerry Lee, how the Killer,
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Speaker 1: was so on brand. How this guy with the nickname
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Speaker 1: the Killer had allegedly killed his wife or maybe even
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Speaker 1: two of his wives. And if you take the alleged
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Speaker 1: murders out of the situation and you just look at
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Speaker 1: his behavior that is well documented and undisputed, you know,
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Speaker 1: shooting his band member in the chest, lighting his piano
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Speaker 1: on fire on stage to prevent Chuck Berry from going
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Speaker 1: on after him, and headlining all kinds of just wild,
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Speaker 1: wild behavior. When it got to the point of the
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Speaker 1: actual allegations surrounding the murder of his wife. I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about Sean Stevens in particular, it just seemed so on
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Speaker 1: brand to me, And as I researched more of Sean Combs,
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Speaker 1: it's the same exact thing, and you hear that in
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Speaker 1: the full episode. Just how on brand these allegations are.
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Speaker 1: The guy lived his life out in the open in
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and he created this image of
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Speaker 1: the sort of sexy hip hop after Dark Mogul Guy
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Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and as you heard in this episode, there
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Speaker 1: are all these instances of Sean Combs over the years
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Speaker 1: on record talking about his parties and his behavior in
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Speaker 1: a way that supports it. Doesn't I don't want to
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Speaker 1: get this twisted. It doesn't prove in any way the allegations,
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Speaker 1: but it really really supports them, and I just found
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Speaker 1: out to be very, very interested. We're two hundred I
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Speaker 1: think two hundred and twenty episodes into Disgrace Land and
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Speaker 1: we're still dealing with this going back from the first
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Speaker 1: episode on Jerry Lee Lewis to the latest episode on
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Speaker 1: Sean Ditty Combs. When this Jerry le Lewis episode rewinds
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Speaker 1: in your feed this week, I want you to re
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Speaker 1: listen to it with fresh years. Based on this sort
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Speaker 1: of on brand theme that I'm talking about relative to Diddy.
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Speaker 1: It's fascinating to me and I'm pretty sure it will
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Speaker 1: be to you guys as well. Okay, switching gears completely,
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Speaker 1: we have our episode for you guys on Bill Murray.
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Speaker 1: I love, love, love, love love Bill Murray. I find
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Speaker 1: him to be endlessly compelling, hysterical, cool beyond compare. And
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Speaker 1: so when you're listening to this episode, want you guys
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Speaker 1: be thinking about your favorite Bill Murray performances. Okay, stop
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Speaker 1: thinking about the baby oil, stop thinking about murdered wives allegedly,
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Speaker 1: Let's think about some amazing, iconic Bill Murray performances and
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Speaker 1: text me and call me with your favorite Murray films.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing this for selfish reasons because on what you
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Speaker 1: guys do, essentially crrate my own little mini Bill Murray
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Speaker 1: film festival next week where I'm gonna go int the
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Speaker 1: rabbit hole. I'm gonna watch a ton of Bill Murray movies.
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Speaker 1: You can do it with me if you want, hit
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Speaker 1: me up, like I said, with your with your favorite
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Speaker 1: Bill Murray performances. Is you know? Is it Stripes? Is
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Speaker 1: it Lost in Translation? Is it Life Aquatic, Charlie's Angels,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is? Is it Bill behind the bar at
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Speaker 1: your local slinging drinks? Is it you know a house
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Speaker 1: party you crashed in Brooklyn with with Bill Murray hanging out?
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Speaker 1: Did you run into Bill Murray on the golf course.
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Speaker 1: It can be any Bill Moore performance on screen or not.
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Speaker 1: Just let me know. Six one seven nine oh six
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Speaker 1: six six three eight and we'll get into it in
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Speaker 1: the after party next week. Send me a voicemail, lead
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Speaker 1: on in Apple Podcasts. Okay, the seven to one six
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Speaker 1: text in. The more you talk about the death of
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Speaker 1: rock and roll, the more I hope that what you're
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Speaker 1: working on is an elegy to rock and roll. If
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Speaker 1: anyone should write that it is you seven to one six.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate the text. You're right on You're on the
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Speaker 1: right track with your thinking. This whole conversation of rock
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Speaker 1: and roll being dead and all of us here in
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland preserving the spirit of rock and roll. This this
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Speaker 1: conversation we've been having about this for a while now,
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Speaker 1: that really kicked up during our discussion around the Cramps
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Speaker 1: a couple months ago. I am thinking somehow of how
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Speaker 1: to document this, how to document this thing that we're
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Speaker 1: doing here beyond the podcast, and not just in audio form.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not an elegy, but maybe something like a
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Speaker 1: book or a book series, or some sort of guide, something,
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Speaker 1: something that really documents these stories of rock and roll animalism.
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Speaker 1: I don't quite know what it is yet, So if
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Speaker 1: you seven one six, or anyone else has any ideas,
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Speaker 1: please call in or tech six one seven nine oh
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Speaker 1: six six six three eight. This is why I started
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Speaker 1: asking you guys about your stories, because this rock and
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Speaker 1: roll spirit extends beyond the history books. Okay, it lives
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Speaker 1: in the ether. It's out there, it's in our collective memories.
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Speaker 1: We all have versions of these stories from our own experiences,
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Speaker 1: and these stories your stories are just as worthy of
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Speaker 1: documentation as anything out there in the history books. And
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Speaker 1: our stories are necessary too, especially when I saw this
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Speaker 1: this morning, especially when Billboard Magazine is telling us that
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Speaker 1: Hosier or Hosier, however you pronounce that dude's name and
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Speaker 1: Billie Eilish are rock and roll. They are not rock
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Speaker 1: and roll. Okay, they're perfectly fine. They're harmless rock ish artists,
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Speaker 1: but they are not rock and roll. They are not dangerous,
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Speaker 1: they're not subversive in any way. And that's what the
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Speaker 1: best rock and roll is slash always was, And you
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Speaker 1: guys remind me of this now every week this goes
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Speaker 1: like Elizabeth here from the two sixty seven with this
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Speaker 1: week's Disgracelands story of the week.
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Speaker 3: Hey, big, this is Elizabeth and Long Beach.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for the killer episodes.
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Speaker 1: I was just listening to after.
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Speaker 4: Parties and I might be a little late on the
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Speaker 4: Christmas song one, but just could also go with our
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Speaker 4: rock and roll stories. So to make a long story short,
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Speaker 4: I worked for many years in entertainment, doing production stuff,
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Speaker 4: dressing rooms, all of it, and years ago I was
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Speaker 4: doing dressing rooms Republic Image Limited, and I called this
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Speaker 4: story the day that Johnny ron did not disappoint me.
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Speaker 4: I had to shop and get some wine to the
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Speaker 4: dressing rooms, and I went into his room to explain
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Speaker 4: to him that there was a Christmas parade on Hollywood
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Speaker 4: Boulevard that day and so therefore I couldn't get to
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Speaker 4: the wine store. And I told him what I had
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Speaker 4: gotten him, and he just looked at me. And I
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Speaker 4: apologize in advance for the fucked up interpretation of the accent,
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Speaker 4: but he looked at me and he said, at Christmas parade,
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Speaker 4: I hope they all have a miserable time, which delighted
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Speaker 4: me so much because I grew up loving the sex pistoles.
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Speaker 4: I had met him once before when I worked at
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Speaker 4: House of Blues, and he was great to me then,
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Speaker 4: but this one took the cake because it was exactly
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Speaker 4: what I would have expected from him. So hopefully you
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Speaker 4: appreciate that and your listenersy too, as a good rock
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Speaker 4: and roll Christmas story.
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Speaker 1: All right, cheers, great story, Elizabeth, Thank you for the voicemail.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. I love Johnny Rotten and I actually had
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Speaker 1: the pleasure of having a drink with Johnny Rotten back
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and Anaheim California of all places, and
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Speaker 1: as he did for you, he did not disappoint. He
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Speaker 1: not only lived up to his rock star status, but
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Speaker 1: I found him to be surprisingly humble at the same time,
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Speaker 1: which is a neat little trick that rock stars can
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Speaker 1: sometimes play. And he was also hysterical, incredible wit on
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Speaker 1: that guy. Discos. Especially those of you who, like Elizabeth,
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Speaker 1: worked in entertainment Roxanne from the Patreon, I am talking
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Speaker 1: to you, and also those of you in bands. Hit
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Speaker 1: me up with your stories of rock and roll animalism. Okay,
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Speaker 1: it can be anything, can be a run in with
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Speaker 1: a rock star, can be something that you and your
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Speaker 1: bandmates got up to. You can be anything humorous to
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Speaker 1: Baucher's doesn't Matter six one, seven nine oh six six
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Speaker 1: sixty three eight voicemail and text, and you might end
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Speaker 1: up like Elizabeth here with the disgraced Lands story of
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Speaker 1: the week. Okay, let's hear from Keith in the seven six'.
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Speaker 2: Three, Hey, jake this Is keith from the seven sixty.
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Speaker 2: Three just finish with Your Newest duty. Episode AND i
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Speaker 2: have to tell you that it's some masterful. Storytelling it
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Speaker 2: was just listening to it with something. ELSE i can
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Speaker 2: see some people being upset one way or the. Other
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Speaker 2: you probably get a complaints on, both but to, me
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Speaker 2: it was just listening to you say what you had
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Speaker 2: to say with the fact you, had and it was something.
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Speaker 2: Special so congratulates had another great.
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Speaker 1: Episode Thanks, keith thank you for the call uh and
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Speaker 1: the kind. Words i'm happy You doug the. Episode not
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Speaker 1: a lot of complaints From diddy defenders on this. EPISODE
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Speaker 1: i found that the Jay z, defenders, however are much
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Speaker 1: more vocal and much more pissed and much quicker to
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Speaker 1: defend Jay. Z then it's hard to run into anybody
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Speaker 1: Defending Sean. Combs we'll see, though especially as we see
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Speaker 1: how this Jay z case shakes out and, uh you
20:28
Speaker 1: know whatever content we end up creating around. That all,
20:31
Speaker 1: Right tony from the two oh, Six.
20:33
Speaker 5: Hey, Jake Happy New. Year It's tony from the two oh.
20:37
Speaker 5: SIX i know it's been a MISS i talk to. You.
20:40
Speaker 5: YEAH i think did he? Guilty no doubt about.
20:43
Speaker 2: It he's.
20:43
Speaker 5: Guilty all the stuff they, see the baby, oil the
20:47
Speaker 5: stories of the parties and the freak offs and. Everything you.
20:53
Speaker 5: KNOW i don't know if there's a conspiracy behind this.
20:56
Speaker 5: ONE i, think you, know it goes back to that
20:58
Speaker 5: old mafia, Saying, jesse think you can't get, touched you get.
21:03
Speaker 5: TOUCHED i, mean think about. It how many times have
21:05
Speaker 5: you watched gangster movies Like American gangster Or The godfather
21:10
Speaker 5: or Good fellas and you think you're unpouchable and suddenly
21:13
Speaker 5: then next thing you, know they got. You so, Anyway
21:17
Speaker 5: Happy New year to you, again, brother look forward to
21:20
Speaker 5: more of these disgrace planned, episodes especially the ones On,
21:23
Speaker 5: diddy And i'll be hearing from you so.
21:26
Speaker 1: Peace you, Know, tony maybe one percent of the feedback
21:30
Speaker 1: THAT i get from listeners and commenters on social media
21:34
Speaker 1: disagree with. You all. Right if any of you out, there,
21:37
Speaker 1: however think That ditty is, INNOCENT i want to know
21:40
Speaker 1: what is driving your. THINKING i would love to hear
21:43
Speaker 1: a take On ditty's, innocence like a real, take a
21:47
Speaker 1: real defense Of Sean. Combs hit me. Up let me,
21:50
Speaker 1: know all, Right this one is a little bit outside
21:53
Speaker 1: of our editorial, cycle this voicemail, here BUT i want
21:56
Speaker 1: to play it BECAUSE i find it to be. INTERESTING
21:59
Speaker 1: i think you got as, Well. Matt play the seven and.
22:01
Speaker 1: Six oh, Please.
22:02
Speaker 3: Jack brendan From, Seattle, Washington i've been listening to your
22:06
Speaker 3: podcast for a. While i'm actually on my second playthrough
22:11
Speaker 3: because i have nothing else to do While i'm at,
22:13
Speaker 3: work and it dawned on me been listening to The
22:17
Speaker 3: Charlie manson music man, thing AND i just discovered for
22:22
Speaker 3: the first time after my second, playthrough but THAT i
22:24
Speaker 3: can actually fucking call, you which is. COOL a little fun,
22:28
Speaker 3: fact my great grandfather was the lead detective in The
22:32
Speaker 3: Gary henman cases during.
22:35
Speaker 5: All of that.
22:36
Speaker 3: Time he was the one who Connected Gary henman to
22:40
Speaker 3: As eklabianca murders back in the Sixty Calvin gunther also
22:44
Speaker 3: winned By. Charles my great grandfather passed away in twenty.
22:48
Speaker 3: FOURTEEN i went to a couple of The manson parole hearings
22:51
Speaker 3: as a kid BECAUSE i had nothing better to do
22:53
Speaker 3: and he had to watch. ME i just wanted to
22:55
Speaker 3: share that and say THAT i think your opinion of
23:01
Speaker 3: Why manson committed those murders well or had people commit
23:04
Speaker 3: this murders is actually the more spot on vincing is
23:09
Speaker 3: the you, know THE da at the time was fucking.
23:11
Speaker 3: Wrong do you ever want a good read about that?
23:14
Speaker 3: Stuff from my grandfather's point of, View it's the book
23:18
Speaker 3: Called The family By Ed. Sanders my grandfather is actually
23:22
Speaker 3: in the book towards the, back there's pictures of him
23:25
Speaker 3: with his Partner Paul. Whiteley love to hear about, this
23:29
Speaker 3: talk to you about, it whatever you may do or don't,
23:32
Speaker 3: do either which way to play. Through your podcast is
23:35
Speaker 3: just as good the second time around as it was the.
23:37
Speaker 3: First keep up the good, work rock AND.
23:39
Speaker 1: Rolla seven and six, SOH i really appreciate the. Message thank. You,
23:45
Speaker 1: fascinating fascinating that your great grandfather was the was involved
23:49
Speaker 1: With Gary hinman. Case and for those of you who
23:52
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what seven to six to oho is talking,
23:55
Speaker 1: About Gary hinman was the school teacher who was murdered
24:00
Speaker 1: on orders Of Charles manson By Bobby, bosley and it
24:04
Speaker 1: was a murder that happened before The Tate LaBianca. Murders
24:08
Speaker 1: and it looks like the seven and six oh's grandfather
24:12
Speaker 1: was the one who made the connection between this murder
24:15
Speaker 1: and The Tate leveanca, murders which was the first big
24:18
Speaker 1: break in that. Case And i'm going to take a
24:22
Speaker 1: little bit of pride here seven to six to oh
24:25
Speaker 1: and the fact that, you being so close to this,
24:28
Speaker 1: information agree with our myth busting take on The manson,
24:33
Speaker 1: murders and that is that the whole helter skelter explanation
24:37
Speaker 1: is a bunch of, bunk and That buliosi made it.
24:40
Speaker 1: Up of, course that is not my original. Take that
24:42
Speaker 1: all comes from the incredible reporting done By tom O'Neill
24:46
Speaker 1: in the Book, chaos which most of you who listened
24:49
Speaker 1: to the show have heard me talk about a gazillion
24:51
Speaker 1: times seven and. Six, ZHO i have Read The family
24:53
Speaker 1: By Ed. SANDERS i have a great copy of that,
24:55
Speaker 1: book by the, way one of my one of the
24:57
Speaker 1: best books in my, collection and UH i really appreciate.
25:01
Speaker 1: It stay close to the show seven to, Six so
25:03
Speaker 1: call back, anytime all, right And i'm happy to jump
25:06
Speaker 1: on text and talk to you about About manson or anything,
25:09
Speaker 1: else all, right guy six, one seven nine oh six
25:12
Speaker 1: sixty six three eight voicemail and. Text you also hit
25:14
Speaker 1: me up At disgrace lamp pod On facebook And instagram
25:18
Speaker 1: and on x ON X underscore sixty, Five, UNDERSCORE Kwi.
25:23
Speaker 1: Underscore caby, right it's my two. Pennies diddy is, guilty, guilty.
25:27
Speaker 1: Guilty to be, honest The feds can indict a Ham
25:30
Speaker 1: sammy but to bring it to, court they are ninety
25:32
Speaker 1: five percent or, greater they are sure of a. Conviction
25:35
Speaker 1: underscore sixty five, Underscore qi, Underscore. CABBY i tend to
25:38
Speaker 1: agree with you on this. Take underscore sixty five UNDERSCORE
25:42
Speaker 1: qui Underscore cabby that if The feds are going to
25:45
Speaker 1: bring a case to, court they're pretty damn convinced that
25:49
Speaker 1: they're going to get a. Conviction and this case is
25:53
Speaker 1: unique in that it's one where there's not really anyone
25:56
Speaker 1: Above diddy That diddy can can turn over to The
26:00
Speaker 1: feds that he can cut a deal. FOR i, MEAN
26:01
Speaker 1: i guess you could have made the argument That Lucien,
26:04
Speaker 1: grange THE ceo Of Universal, music who was named in
26:08
Speaker 1: one of the, indictments but his name was, dropped so
26:11
Speaker 1: apparently he's out of the. Picture there's really no one
26:15
Speaker 1: that did he can trade. Up SO i, MEAN i
26:19
Speaker 1: disagree with this take that The feds aren't going to
26:21
Speaker 1: indict unless they can bring conviction in. COURT i think
26:24
Speaker 1: you're spot. On underscore sixty five Underscore kei we Underscore.
26:28
Speaker 1: Cabby okay at disgracelam, Pod hit me up ON, X
26:32
Speaker 1: hit me up On, Facebook over On Facebook Kelly brown, Writes, Hi,
26:35
Speaker 1: disgraceland longtime, listener first time, MESSENGER i love the Two manson.
26:39
Speaker 1: Episodes again with The Charles MANSON i love this people
26:43
Speaker 1: are deep in the. ARCHIVE i appreciate. That one of
26:45
Speaker 1: the craziest STORIES i heard about that night was From Quincy.
26:48
Speaker 1: JONES a few years. Ago Quincy jones did an interview
26:51
Speaker 1: FOR i BELIEVE gq. Magazine you'll have to forgive me
26:53
Speaker 1: on my. Memory he said he was going to go
26:55
Speaker 1: over to Visit Jay sebring that night because he was
26:57
Speaker 1: experiencing issues with baldness and had it That jay had
27:01
Speaker 1: something that could help. Him he ended up not, going,
27:03
Speaker 1: obviously but could you imagine what we could have missed
27:06
Speaker 1: out on If quincy was. There that's, fascinating you. KNOW
27:09
Speaker 1: i think you're, Right. KELLY i think it IS, gq
27:12
Speaker 1: or it might Be, esquire Where Quincy jones did that
27:15
Speaker 1: famous interview a couple of years, ago and that interview
27:17
Speaker 1: got so much press and was repeated in so many
27:20
Speaker 1: different places That i'm realizing Now i've never read the
27:22
Speaker 1: full interview Because i've never heard this bit About. Manson
27:25
Speaker 1: BUT i feel Like i've read the whole interview because
27:26
Speaker 1: it's just been it's been clipped and sent out all
27:29
Speaker 1: over the, place all the bit about you, know having
27:31
Speaker 1: sex With brando and all that. STUFF i got to
27:33
Speaker 1: go back and read this because this is your. Question
27:36
Speaker 1: is fascinating, Here, kelly If Quincy jones gets killed that,
27:39
Speaker 1: night we don't get. Thriller can you imagine? Thriller no.
27:43
Speaker 1: THRILLER i can't imagine. THAT i just. Can't great, Message,
27:48
Speaker 1: KELLY i appreciate. You just a quick heads, up, Guys
27:50
Speaker 1: kelly over On, facebook she's about to be the recipient
27:55
Speaker 1: of some incredible disgraceline, content video content that we're gonna
27:59
Speaker 1: be unleashing over on The facebook peeps this. Year this
28:01
Speaker 1: will be different from the short form video content that
28:04
Speaker 1: we are releasing On, instagram And i'm looking forward to.
28:07
Speaker 1: IT i Know kelly will be looking forward to. It
28:09
Speaker 1: but over On, Instagram coco writes, in, hey try making
28:13
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28:17
Speaker 1: this one seemed to help the most and the. Fastest
28:19
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28:22
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28:24
Speaker 1: coco is referring to as you can, hear, guys my sinus.
28:27
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28:30
Speaker 1: Away it's been stuck up in my face for now
28:32
Speaker 1: over a. WEEK i had a cold, and as it will,
28:36
Speaker 1: do developed into a sinus. Infection now you're unfortunately hearing
28:39
Speaker 1: the result of that in the. MICROPHONE i apologize for,
28:42
Speaker 1: that But, COCO i just want to thank you for
28:43
Speaker 1: thinking of me and sending me that. TEXT i appreciate.
28:46
Speaker 1: You guys are the best at this gray lampod to
28:48
Speaker 1: hit me up six point seven nine oh six six
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29:09
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29:11
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29:15
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29:20
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29:23
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29:25
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30:34
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30:38
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30:41
Speaker 1: at some? Point it was probably my Favorite All access
30:44
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30:47
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30:49
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30:51
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30:55
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31:00
Speaker 1: was nursing a beer AND i was munching on some
31:03
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31:04
Speaker 1: WHO i?
31:05
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31:09
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31:47
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31:53
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31:58
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32:02
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32:23
Speaker 1: yeah that that episode kind of came and went with
32:25
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32:27
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32:30
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32:35
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32:38
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33:16
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33:20
Speaker 1: Shawn combs case currently is right, now what the percentages
33:22
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33:25
Speaker 1: Case that's coming up this. Spring also going to give
33:28
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33:30
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33:33
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Speaker 1: Back i'm about to get out of. Here we mentioned
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Speaker 1: a bunch of awesome episodes from our archive in today's
34:17
Speaker 1: After Party Charles, manson of, course and as you, know
34:20
Speaker 1: it Being New year's we just reran our two Part
34:23
Speaker 1: Beach boys. Episodes that's the first TIME i got into
34:26
Speaker 1: The Charles manson. Story and it's important to note that
34:28
Speaker 1: my thinking on The manson case And Helter skelter was
34:32
Speaker 1: conventional at the point THAT i, produced wrote and produced those.
34:35
Speaker 1: Episodes so what you're going to hear if you listen
34:38
Speaker 1: to those two episodes that Are manson, related and then
34:40
Speaker 1: you go on to listen to The Charles manson episode
34:42
Speaker 1: that we, produced and then the Two Mama cass episodes
34:46
Speaker 1: that follow that, one you're gonna hear a total reversal
34:50
Speaker 1: of opinion on my part on WHAT i think happened
34:52
Speaker 1: during The Tate LaBianca murders and who is to. Blame
34:55
Speaker 1: it's kind of an evolution of. THOUGHT i don't. Know
34:58
Speaker 1: check it. Out if you're going to listen to, THEM
35:00
Speaker 1: i guess as a set, piece start with The Beach boys,
35:02
Speaker 1: episodes then listen To, manson and then listen to The
35:06
Speaker 1: MoMA cass. Episodes in the show notes for this after,
35:09
Speaker 1: party we'll have the specific episode number and date make
35:12
Speaker 1: it easy for you guys to. Find we also brought
35:14
Speaker 1: Up Johnny rotten and we have two part episode on
35:15
Speaker 1: the Sex pistols in our. ARCHIVE i don't talk about
35:18
Speaker 1: that one. Enough Zeth lundy wrote wrote those and he
35:22
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35:25
Speaker 1: Great check those out Justin bieber came, up as he
35:27
Speaker 1: does these days on certain, media and we do have
35:30
Speaker 1: A Justin bieber episode for those who, practice you, Know bieber.
35:33
Speaker 1: Appreciation it's there for you in the. Archive all, right let's,
35:36
Speaker 1: recap shall. We number, ONE i want your, story call,
35:39
Speaker 1: me text, me hit me on the socials with your
35:41
Speaker 1: favorite story of rock and roll animalism as, wild a
35:44
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35:46
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35:47
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35:50
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35:51
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35:56
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36:01
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36:04
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