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The Kenny Report | 5 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another busy hour. The official
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  Speaker 1: figures confirm what you're feeling as individuals. We're going backwards economically.
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  Speaker 1: We're in a long per capita recession. The NDIS is
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  Speaker 1: out of control, organized crime, drugs and all sorts of
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  Speaker 1: raughters are getting their hands on your tax dollars that
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  Speaker 1: are supposed to be for people with disabilities. And rare
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  Speaker 1: agreement between Anthony Alberzi and Peter Dutton. They both have
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  Speaker 1: slapped down the Greens today. Also tonight's shadow Immigration Minister
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  Speaker 1: Dan teen one Nation leader Pauline Hanson, the coalition's new
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous federal candidate Benson Solo, and of course the Wednesday wrangle.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Let's start with the economy, and
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  Speaker 1: let's start with your economy, the household economy, the individual economy,
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  Speaker 1: economy that's the one we live in, of course, the
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  Speaker 1: per capita economy. And we are in a per capita recession,
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  Speaker 1: your income and expenditure situation, your economic growth is going backwards.
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  Speaker 1: But you didn't need me to tell you that, did you.
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  Speaker 1: Only it has been confirmed today by the statistics here's
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  Speaker 1: what the Treasurer says.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's very clear to us. I don't speak
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  Speaker 2: for the bank, but it's very clear to Australians more
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  Speaker 2: broadly that the economy is barely growing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the big picture. The economy grew by zero
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  Speaker 1: point one percent in the March quarter. That is one
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  Speaker 1: tenth of one percent in the last quarter. But of course,
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  Speaker 1: with record immigration, our population is rising much higher than that,
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  Speaker 1: So the size of our economy per capita has shrunk again.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, for the fifth quarter in a row. That
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  Speaker 1: means that more than half the time the Albanese labor
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  Speaker 1: government has been in power, we've been in a per
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  Speaker 1: capita recession. They came to power promising to cut the
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  Speaker 1: cost of living. They came to power promising to make
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  Speaker 1: everything better, but they've given us a per capita recession.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the poster, the cost of everything is going up.
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  Speaker 1: A labor government will lower the cost of living. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Power prices were going to fall by two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy five dollars a year, but they've gone up. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: they've gone up by about twice as much as labor
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  Speaker 1: promised to cut them. Anthony Alberzi's election pitch was all
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  Speaker 1: about the cost of living, and Labor has delivered exactly
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  Speaker 1: the opposite to what it promised.
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  Speaker 3: We will put in place mechanisms that provide cost of
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  Speaker 3: living relief.
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  Speaker 2: Under Labor, you'll have a government which cares about cost
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  Speaker 2: of living and has plans to deal with it.
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  Speaker 3: Build people's living standards up a better future with real
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  Speaker 3: plans to address is the cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: And to ease the pressure that too many Australians are
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  Speaker 2: feeling during this full blown cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 3: Take pressure off the cost of living, of addressing cost
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  Speaker 3: of living issues, to take pressure off living standards.
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  Speaker 1: Meaningful help with your cost of living. And today with
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  Speaker 1: confirmation that you and your children are going backwards, the
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  Speaker 1: Treasure reckons it's all going along just fine.
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  Speaker 2: We are striking exactly the right balance between addressing inflation,
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  Speaker 2: providing that cost of living help, supporting sustainable economic growth
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  Speaker 2: and strengthening our public finances at the same.
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  Speaker 1: Time, exactly the right balance. You and me getting poorer
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  Speaker 1: every month for the past fifteen months. And Jim Charmers
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  Speaker 1: says that's exactly the right balance. Somehow I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he gets it. Now to an area of government, spending
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  Speaker 1: that's running out of control, an area where people are
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  Speaker 1: some people are profiting wildly, of course and illegally. The
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  Speaker 1: NDIS will cost taxpayers about forty two billion dollars this year.
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  Speaker 1: That's almost as much as we spend on defending this nation.
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  Speaker 1: And it's being rooted. Even the people running the ends
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  Speaker 1: say the roots are extensive, with armies of crooks illegally
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  Speaker 1: siphoning off taxpayers money and billions of dollars being wasted
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  Speaker 1: and misallocated. They say organized crime is involved, and there's
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  Speaker 1: widespread fraud and abuse of the system, and even conflicts
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  Speaker 1: of interest where providers are paying family members.
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  Speaker 4: And then you have participants where they've not understood what
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  Speaker 4: they can and can't agree to with a provider, so
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  Speaker 4: they're accepting things that they shouldn't be examples. Just in
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  Speaker 4: the last week, a twenty thousand dollars holiday, a ten
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  Speaker 4: thousand dollars holiday, we had a participant that bought a
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  Speaker 4: car brand use seventy three thousand dollars. I have spoken
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  Speaker 4: to very recently a participant to would meet the provider
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  Speaker 4: at the ATM. The provider with withdraw cash and provide
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  Speaker 4: that cash to the participant for her to source ofvisit substances.
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  Speaker 1: You heard it right, cars, holidays, and illicit substances. Your
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  Speaker 1: tax dollars supposed to be used to help people with disabilities.
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  Speaker 1: Those tax dollars are instead used for prostitutes and for
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  Speaker 1: alcohol and for illicit drugs.
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  Speaker 5: What types of illicit substances are being trafficked or sold
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  Speaker 5: or pushed?
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  Speaker 4: You name it, it's on the list.
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  Speaker 5: So heroin, cocaine, speed, you know, ice, everything.
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  Speaker 4: And these are providers that are there to do harm that.
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  Speaker 4: And when I say providers, I'm using the word in
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  Speaker 4: the loosest possible way. These are not genuine providers. These
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  Speaker 4: are not people that should be in business. These are
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  Speaker 4: not people that should be allowed in near government schemes
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  Speaker 4: of any kind.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the minister in charge of the NDIS is the
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  Speaker 1: same man who claims credit for conceiving it and starting
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  Speaker 1: it under the Gillard Labor Government Bill Short and of
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  Speaker 1: course the former Labor leader now acknowledges the mess.
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  Speaker 6: The fact that we're uncovering some of the raughts is
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  Speaker 6: because not because they've all started, you know, last week,
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  Speaker 6: They've been there and no one's addressed them.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is a pretty amazing take on the issue
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  Speaker 1: and Shorten keeps buck passing. Here he is with Ray
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  Speaker 1: Hadley on two GP this morning.
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  Speaker 6: I'd have to say, find knew there were problems before
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  Speaker 6: we came into government, but what now we've got in here? Yes,
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  Speaker 6: I'm shocked.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now hang on a second here, just hang on
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  Speaker 1: one second. Bill Shorten, You're shocked. You're shocked at how
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  Speaker 1: bad it is. He hasn't been in office for just
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  Speaker 1: two weeks. This bloke's been in government, in charge of
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  Speaker 1: the NDIS for more than two years. It's time to
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  Speaker 1: take responsibility, isn't it. I mean, this is a bloke
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  Speaker 1: he won't even take responsibility for hiring a speech writer
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  Speaker 1: employed by his department at over three hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: a year.
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  Speaker 6: First of all, I think that service that's the hiring
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  Speaker 6: of a speechwriter was done by Service Australia. I had
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  Speaker 6: no idea what the payment was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not his fault. Apparently, Presumably the speech writer is
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  Speaker 1: worth all that money because she comes up with zingers
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  Speaker 1: like these.
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  Speaker 6: We need each other. We cannot dance alone. The focus
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  Speaker 6: is on the future. We are doing things with people,
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  Speaker 6: not to them. That is why I am determined to
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  Speaker 6: finish the.
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  Speaker 1: Job honestly writing speeches for the ndis minister three hundred grand?
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  Speaker 1: How many speeches can there be?
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  Speaker 6: I had no idea what the payment was, so if
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  Speaker 6: you're trying to link me to that, you know, good luck.
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  Speaker 6: The point about it is the person involved is the
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  Speaker 6: speech right, it does a very good job. I'm not
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  Speaker 6: responsible for negotiating a contract.
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  Speaker 1: He's not responsible. Oh you know what that means. That
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  Speaker 1: means this theme is right across the government.
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  Speaker 7: Our boy says, is not not exponsible, shot, not defensible.
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  Speaker 7: She can't answer for doins he gets up due he thinks,
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  Speaker 7: is not not not responsible?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, not responsible should be a cracker of a
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  Speaker 1: re election slogan. Just to follow up on a story
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  Speaker 1: I brought to you on Monday night, where I showed
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  Speaker 1: you how hundreds of state and federal public servants have
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  Speaker 1: been signing up to a petition specifically for public servants,
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  Speaker 1: calling for the government to ban any military exports and
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  Speaker 1: links with Israel, I explained that, regardless of the wrong
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  Speaker 1: headed arguments in this petition, that this was absolutely wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the job of public servants to campaign on
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  Speaker 1: political issues. As public servants in their private capacity. As voters,
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  Speaker 1: they consign a petition, join a group, knock yourselves out.
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  Speaker 1: But this is not on. There should never be a
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  Speaker 1: public servants petition for a political issue that's not directly
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  Speaker 1: about public servants. Well, I'm pleased to say that at
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  Speaker 1: least the New South Wales government has reacted at a
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  Speaker 1: public service level. I hope other governments do the same.
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  Speaker 1: This letter has gone out from the New South Wales Premiers,
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  Speaker 1: Department Secretary and the Public Service Commissioner and it says,
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  Speaker 1: in part, our core public sector values require us to
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  Speaker 1: be impartial and apolitical. It's not in line with our
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  Speaker 1: values to undert take public advocacy using our position as
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  Speaker 1: public servants. It goes on to say, all the authority
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  Speaker 1: of our agencies and it goes on to say when
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  Speaker 1: they're bound to serve all members of the community and
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  Speaker 1: ensure that all people feel included and respected. Now that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Public servants should know better than to even attempt this
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  Speaker 1: sort of public advocacy, save that for their private time
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  Speaker 1: and their private citizenship. The Australian newspaper Today reported that
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  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister hasn't been able to use his electorate
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  Speaker 1: office in inner city Sydney Merrittville since January because of
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  Speaker 1: a permanent protest from pro Palestinian activists. It's not the
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  Speaker 1: only office targeted by pro Palestinian activists. There's been disgusting
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  Speaker 1: vandalism and intimidation against MPs in Melbourne and Sydney. The protests,
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  Speaker 1: if not these attacks, of course, are of ordered by
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  Speaker 1: the Greens, the Green's political party, and in fact Green's
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  Speaker 1: politicians often echo some of the worst slogans of the
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  Speaker 1: anti Israel protesters. So this all led to some pretty
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  Speaker 1: rare scenes in Parliament today because we saw the Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister and thee and Opposition leaderm actually united and they
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  Speaker 1: were united in their condemnation of the Greens.
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  Speaker 3: It is unacceptable that misinformation has been consciously and deliberately
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  Speaker 3: spread by some Green senators and Mpece. He have engaged
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  Speaker 3: in this in demonstrations outside offices and online that includes
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  Speaker 3: knowingly misrepresenting motions that are moved in this Parliament.
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  Speaker 8: We stand as one in this chamber, or we should
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  Speaker 8: stand as one to make sure that we condemned the
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  Speaker 8: unacceptable levels of antisemitism that we see playing out on
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  Speaker 8: our streets. It has no place and we will take everything,
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  Speaker 8: every action we need as a chamber to make sure
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  Speaker 8: that we condemn those acts of anti Semitism in our country,
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  Speaker 8: and the Greens political party today is properly and rightly condemned.
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  Speaker 1: And then we saw the Greens leader trying to overturn
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  Speaker 1: parliamentary rules so that he could have another crack himself.
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  Speaker 8: I will not be lectured to about peace and nonviolence
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  Speaker 8: by people who back the invasion of Gazo.
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  Speaker 6: Children are dying, children are dying because the Israeliami has
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  Speaker 6: engineered a famine, and instead.
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  Speaker 9: Of talking about the victims of Prime Minister wants to
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  Speaker 9: make it about himself.
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  Speaker 1: What a disgrace the Greens are. And just remember they've
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  Speaker 1: got enormous power over the Labor Party. They act in
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  Speaker 1: virtual coalition in the Senate. Labor relies on their preferences
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  Speaker 1: across the country and after the next election the Greens
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  Speaker 1: could end up sharing power with Labor in government. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: to those of you who've alerted me to an online
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  Speaker 1: scam that uses my identity. It's been running on Facebook
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  Speaker 1: or Meta. It's not the first time this has happened
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  Speaker 1: to me or plenty of others. This one actually uses
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  Speaker 1: National Senate leader Bridget mackenzie too. How a look, he
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  Speaker 1: is ready to pay fifty thousand dollars to anyone who
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  Speaker 1: suffers financial losses, asserting that it is impossible to lose
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  Speaker 1: money on the project. The project has received government support
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  Speaker 1: and an official state license. Is that correct? Yes, that's correct.
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  Speaker 5: Against the backdrop of fraudulent schemes and projects, Andrew has
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  Speaker 5: launched his own investment project.
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  Speaker 1: Look, this stuff is obviously fake. You should ignore it
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  Speaker 1: or report it. You can tell it's fake actually because
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  Speaker 1: it talks about financial advice, and I'm the last person
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  Speaker 1: who ever try to give anybody financial advice. I also
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  Speaker 1: say projects, not project. But seriously, this stuff is odious
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  Speaker 1: and it's a disgrace that the digital giants can't kill
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  Speaker 1: it off immediately. This stuff was off and up there
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  Speaker 1: for weeks. They've got the technology that finds us and
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  Speaker 1: targets us with all sorts of ads, according to all
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  Speaker 1: their sophisticated algorithms and their tracking, but they can't weed
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  Speaker 1: out the fakes and the scams. Get me a break.
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  Speaker 1: They're not trying hard enough, are they now. The executive
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  Speaker 1: chairman of News Corp Australasia, Michael Miller, took on the
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  Speaker 1: digital giants. In a press club speech today, Meta has
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  Speaker 1: stopped paying news organizations like ours and the other TV
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  Speaker 1: stations and the other newspapers and even the ABC. The
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  Speaker 1: ABC was onto this as well. It stopped paying us
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  Speaker 1: for the news content that they monetize on their platforms,
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  Speaker 1: and Miller attacked its priorities.
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  Speaker 10: I believe they had an obligation to renew the agreements
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  Speaker 10: and on our law. It is intriguing that Meta has
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  Speaker 10: no problem turning off the news, but has a big
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  Speaker 10: problem turning off teenage fight clubs, the bullying of young women,
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  Speaker 10: or scam. Advertising Assistant Treasurer Stephen Jones captured the situation
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  Speaker 10: when he says that Meta is for criminals and against journalism.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the new world of sex stortion, online bullying,
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  Speaker 1: fake news, and all the rest of it, the digital
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  Speaker 1: giants need to be accountable. Miller outlined a plan under
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  Speaker 1: which governments would force these digital platforms to behave responsibly
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  Speaker 1: that need to be accountable for the content they host,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: that have to have decent consumer complaints processes, and they'd
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  Speaker 1: be hit with penalties if they didn't comply, even jail
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  Speaker 1: terms for executives. The fact is, these digital giants actually
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  Speaker 1: operate right outside our legal jurisdiction, our national legal jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 1: And this was underscored just today when the E Safety
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  Speaker 1: Commissioner had to back down in the legal bid to
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  Speaker 1: get Elon Musk's X to pull down that video of
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  Speaker 1: the stabbing attack in Sydney in that church in April. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that was always going to fail that bid. Australia can't
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  Speaker 1: and shouldn't be able to control global content, but there
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  Speaker 1: does need to be some way to make sure the
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  Speaker 1: digital giants pay their way in Australia and are accountable
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  Speaker 1: for what they spread. Watch this space. It's an important debate,
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  Speaker 1: a major public policy challenge, and Australia is trying to
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  Speaker 1: lead the world. Let's bring in one nation leader. Pauline
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  Speaker 1: Hanson now joins us from scenic Rim in Queensland. Good
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you, Pauline. I want to get your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on the Greens first, especially today. I mean you
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  Speaker 1: think the issue of the war between Israel and Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Albert Easy and Peter Dutton are actually at loggerheads
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  Speaker 1: over that. They have quite contrasting positions, yet they're both
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  Speaker 1: unified in their condemnation of the Greens. Position and their activities.
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  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts.
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  Speaker 11: It's good to see they should be unified. The Greens
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  Speaker 11: stunts that they pulled in the Senate, you know, walking
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  Speaker 11: out of the Senate and they're saying what's happening in
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  Speaker 11: Palestine and the guards and all the rest of it.
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  Speaker 11: It's stunt. It really is a stunt. And even some
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  Speaker 11: of the Greens that have stood beside some of these
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  Speaker 11: protesters with their signs that they've put up there is appalling,
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  Speaker 11: Chris absolutely palling. And the fact is, you know they're
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  Speaker 11: having a go at Israel now, you know, it's like genocide.
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  Speaker 11: Now they say that Palestine was attacked without acknowledging what
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  Speaker 11: happened to Israel on October the seventh. You know, there
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  Speaker 11: are a bunch of rap bags. As far as I'm
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  Speaker 11: concerned what they stand for. I wish the public would
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  Speaker 11: have more of an understanding. They all think they're greenies.
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  Speaker 11: We're all greenies.
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  Speaker 12: We want to look after after.
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  Speaker 11: Our environment by all means, but they go too far
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  Speaker 11: and what their policies are are not in keeping what
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  Speaker 11: is Australian, What is being patriotic? What is keeping us
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  Speaker 11: from being divisive? I just have no time for them whatsoever?
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  Speaker 1: All right, I want to get onto the NDS right now.
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  Speaker 1: This is a scandal the amount of money that's been wasted,
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  Speaker 1: money that's supposed to go to people with disabilities, and
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  Speaker 1: money that's come from hard working taxpayers. But what astonishes
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  Speaker 1: me is Bill Shorten keeps saying he's shocked at how
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  Speaker 1: bad it is. Give him a chance, he'll fix it.
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  Speaker 1: He's been in there for more than two years. Why
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  Speaker 1: hasn't he done more to catch the crooks and make
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  Speaker 1: the scheme less penetrable to all these fraudsters.
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  Speaker 11: Chris, I've spoken about the NDIS and your program over
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  Speaker 11: the last how many years, And when I first got
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  Speaker 11: into Parliament was brought to my attention about the NDS
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  Speaker 11: and what we were signing up to.
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  Speaker 12: I was appalled by it.
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  Speaker 11: I thought it was these parents that came to Parliament
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  Speaker 11: House with their children basically incapacity.
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  Speaker 12: It couldn't move.
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  Speaker 11: They were worried about their future once the parents were gone.
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  Speaker 11: How were these children going to be cared for? It's
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  Speaker 11: blind completely out of proportion here we have One psychologist said,
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  Speaker 11: you know, years ago in the eighties, it was three
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  Speaker 11: in one hundred thousand children that had autism.
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  Speaker 12: Now it's three in one hundred.
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  Speaker 11: You've got parents lining up, have to wait six months
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  Speaker 11: to get in to see these psychologists. Then to get
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  Speaker 11: on the NDS scheme, it's a scam. Then you've got
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  Speaker 11: prisoners coming out of prison. One prisoner one point three million,
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  Speaker 11: another prisoner eight hundred three thousand, another prisoner one hundred
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  Speaker 11: thousand dollars. Oh, that's to take them shopping, take them
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  Speaker 11: to cinema, take them fishing. And then you've got people
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  Speaker 11: who actually want to go to the gym or go
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  Speaker 11: to the movies. Well, we'll have a care, we pay
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  Speaker 11: for that. There's scams going on as far as people
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  Speaker 11: building accommodation for NDS and people buying cars then paid
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  Speaker 11: out through paid.
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  Speaker 12: Off through the NDIS.
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  Speaker 11: And these are the client, these are the peop people
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  Speaker 11: that are supposed to be caring for them. It is
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  Speaker 11: such a scam, Chris, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, got to be fixed up.
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  Speaker 11: And it's not even means tests that people don't even
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  Speaker 11: know this. You know, you've got multimillionaires that are actually
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  Speaker 11: on this. And Bill shot and told me, and so
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  Speaker 11: did Lynda Reynolds, and so did Stuart Roberts told me
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  Speaker 11: that they have to have agreement from all the states.
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  Speaker 12: What I found out you don't have to.
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  Speaker 11: They're all scared to do anything about it because they
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  Speaker 11: lose the voters out there is become a political hot
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  Speaker 11: hotcake and it's the taxpayers. Fancy pain people go on
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: bloody holidays, fancy pain people to actually have cars bought
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: for them.
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: It's an absolute scam.
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: Until you actually rap the people out of the calls.
• 20:38
  Speaker 11: And what my policy is, if you are caught ripping
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: off the taxpayers of more than five thousand dollars, you
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: will be charged with the criminal offense and you will
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: actually be wiped off being one of these people that
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: can provide the services for end oiyes.
• 20:53
  Speaker 12: Get rid of them.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: They've got to get a lot tougher. We nearly had
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a time pauling, but just quickly. We didn't need the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Australian Bureau of Statistics to tell us we're in a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: per capita recession, did we.
• 21:06
  Speaker 12: We've known that for a long time.
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: I think in Queenslight it's eleven nineteen thousand dollars per capita.
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: We are in a recession, but we've only been propped
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: up because the high immigration levels come to Australia. Wake up, people,
• 21:20
  Speaker 11: stop voting for the same old that you are actually
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: destroying your wave life. Your cost of living is escalating
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: because you keep you don't think, you don't think what
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: the policies are. Why keep voting for the same idiots
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: all the time that we're getting a bigger mess year
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: up to.
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: Year after year.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline Puland has in their life
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: from Queensland here. If there is a cost of living
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: crisis before the election two years ago, what are we
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: in now now? I want to go on another story now.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: An exclusive story broken on sky News today and it
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: relates to questions around the Albanesi government's defense strategy because
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Sky News Today revealed it's ignoring requests, that is, the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Albanezi government to help an Aussie company are a foreign
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: missile manufacturer. The ambitious plan actually could plug gaps in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: our own defense by enabling rockets and missiles with proven
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: firepower to be built here in Australia, actually in regional Victoria,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and that could happen within months, our investigations reported. Jonathan
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Lee broke this story today and Jonathan joins me. Now
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: tell us about the company what they want and why
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the government wouldn't be listening very carefully to their bid.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: John O Well, Chris Good evening to you.
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: The company is called Defintechs are remarkable more about a Victoria.
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: They're currently manufacturing loitering drones and exporting them to the
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: United Kingdom, the United States that being used in Ukraine.
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: What they want is effectively remarkably small loan really of
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: seventy million dollars.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: They're trying to acquire.
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: We understand a South American missile manufacturer called Arbibross. We've
• 22:53
  Speaker 13: got fifty to sixty years worth of experience. They're a
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: distressed asset and it's around a two hundred two hundred
• 23:00
  Speaker 13: million dollar deal. What it would potentially do is enable
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: this Australian company to continue operating in Brazil while setting
• 23:07
  Speaker 13: up a facility here in regional Australia to manufacture from
• 23:11
  Speaker 13: go to tube rockets, tactical long range weapons, air defense capabilities.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: This mom's even got a space.
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: Program, all for roughly around two hundred million. The company
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: itself only wants to borrow seventy million dollars. Have been
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: trying for the better part of the last ten months
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: to get approval to do this, but export Finance Australia,
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: effectively the federal government, which knows what's happening, is standing
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: in the way of allowing this to happen. It's a
• 23:37
  Speaker 13: sovereign capability Australia desperately needs as we're spending billions of
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: dollars to try and team up with the United States
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: to acquire long range strike capabilities. Have a listen to
• 23:48
  Speaker 13: the CEO Jackie Lambi and also the former Independent Senator
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: Rex Patrick with.
• 23:53
  Speaker 14: What's the car industry? With what's the aerospace industry? We
• 23:57
  Speaker 14: have very little manufacturing left and here's an opportunity for
• 24:00
  Speaker 14: very very small loan to be able to bring a
• 24:02
  Speaker 14: substantial manufacturing capability back on shore. What is it I
• 24:06
  Speaker 14: don't see or don't understand about why this is not
• 24:09
  Speaker 14: in the national interest, but paying the big US defense
• 24:12
  Speaker 14: primes to do more work in Australia.
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: Is it should be happening today?
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: You could get these missiles happening and manufacturing down hre
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: in a matter of months and the only thing stopping
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: you is your lack of will.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: This might disrupt the very cozy relationship that exists between
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: our Department of Defense and the United States Department of Defense.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty complex area. You wouldn't expect things
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to move super quickly, but it is a critical need
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: for Australia. Also, it comes when the government's throwing money
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: out like crazy on this future Made in Australia fun
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to try and support local manufacturing. So this all came
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: up in Senate estimatest and the John know what unfolded there.
• 24:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Look, the Australian sovereign companies industries are desperately crying
• 24:56
  Speaker 13: out for work and attention from the ADF. The problem
• 24:59
  Speaker 13: is they get more respect overseas and they get here
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: in Australia. This question of this company came up today
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: in Centate estimates. I'm going to play you this and
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: then explain to you why it's very significant.
• 25:12
  Speaker 15: That we're taking a crawl walk run approach.
• 25:15
  Speaker 16: So if we could acquire that intellectual property and run
• 25:22
  Speaker 16: more than a single line of effort, wouldn't you think
• 25:26
  Speaker 16: it's better.
• 25:27
  Speaker 15: The DSR did require me to come back and present
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: options to government in quarter to twenty twenty four. We're
• 25:34
  Speaker 15: finalizing that submission. Now. We are focused on proven weapons
• 25:39
  Speaker 15: systems integrated to carriage platforms that the ADF currently does
• 25:44
  Speaker 15: or will use as part of our crawl approach to
• 25:48
  Speaker 15: then engaging competent competent industries to uplift our capability.
• 25:56
  Speaker 13: See you might have been thinking that sounds like defense gobbedygoog.
• 25:58
  Speaker 13: The clear and important words are their proven weapons systems
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: and also competent industries. What defense is key to cozy
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: up to is American companies like Raytheon and also Lockheed
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: Martin who they're currently working on that sovereign capability. It
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: raises the bigger question of what is a sovereign capability.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Have a listen.
• 26:22
  Speaker 14: Sovereignty for us is not just what we can manufacture
• 26:25
  Speaker 14: in Australia, but where we can build a global supply chain.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There, we are fascinating stuff in the center of Esthimus. There,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: john O, your reporting has brought it to light. We'll
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: see where it goes from here. The sovereign capability that
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Australia needs, obviously is what we most of us would
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: expect it to mean. Thanks for joining us. Jonathan Lee,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: investigations reporter here for Sky News. Got to get to
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a break on the other side of that. More on
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Labour's green dream, the chance of blackouts. This summer and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: why the solar industry is in crisis talks let's get
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: into the energy debate again, and there's a lot of talk,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: of course about renewables versus nuclear, and not enough talk
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: about the stuff we actually really rely on now that
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: is mainly cold but also a lot of gas. The
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister today on his ex account that his Twitter
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: account actually put this thing out trying to scare people
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: about where a nuclear reactor will go. He's shown all
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: sorts of pretty places around the country. I mean, it's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: just laughable really that this is what the Prime Minister's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: reduced to, a sort of blatant, silly scare campaign about
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: nuclear energy. And in the Parliament, of course, the Climate
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and Energy Minister Chris Bowen was going on with his
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: normal nonsense. We know for the.
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: South Hia rawand and so many experts that no nuclear
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: in Australia. We're up running before twenty forty. And Senator Canavan,
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: as he always does, said the quiet bit out loud,
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: because this is what it's all about.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: This is what it's all about.
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: They want to delay renewables and they want to kick
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: cold the system for longer because they just don't leave
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: in rednewable energy.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, there's all sorts of politics and all sorts
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of silliness going on in this debate. In the end,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: what you and I want is reliable energy and would
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: actually like it at an affordable price too. So let's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: check in now with Matt. Rennie from Rennie Advisory joins
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: me from Brisbane. Good to talk to you again, Matt.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: We've got this debate going on. It's part of ZAN,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: it's ideological, some of it's linked into the engineering and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the needs of the country. But this is happening while
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: we were looking at a summer where AEMO is warning
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: us that if we get a normal summer, we could
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: be faced with energy shortages. How dire is the situation looking.
• 28:39
  Speaker 17: Well, I think amo's right to be concerned that what
• 28:42
  Speaker 17: occurred a couple of years ago in twenty twenty two,
• 28:44
  Speaker 17: I think put a shock through the system. I'm not
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: too concerned about the prospect for outages this summer. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 17: think AMO has got enough tools in the toolkit to
• 28:53
  Speaker 17: be able to either bring new generation on or pull
• 28:57
  Speaker 17: on some of the mechanisms they've got with major customers
• 28:59
  Speaker 17: to reduce their own load. But I am concerned about
• 29:02
  Speaker 17: whether we're going to get there in time more generally.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing that worries me is we haven't
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: really had a hot summer since twenty twenty two, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: we've had a couple of mild summers. So that's really
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: meant that the normal load we get in especially late
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: January February and Southeastern Australia hasn't been there. So we'll
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: see what transpires. As you say, it's the longer term
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: outlook that's a worry now. A labor likes to mock
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the coalition because nuclear couldn't be on stream till twenty forty,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and you might have to keep a lot of coal
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: going till then. But the point is, isn't it that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the renewables won't be able to do the job by
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: twenty forty. So if we don't keep coal going through
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to twenty forty, surely we're going to need a lot
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: more gas generation.
• 29:47
  Speaker 17: Well, I think at the moment if it seems that
• 29:51
  Speaker 17: AMO and government are sort of learning on the run.
• 29:53
  Speaker 17: A bit about four years ago, there was a forecast
• 29:55
  Speaker 17: that we were going to need something like twenty three
• 29:57
  Speaker 17: gigawats of renewables by twenty thirty. The latest integrated system
• 30:02
  Speaker 17: plan says we're going to need fifty seven gigawats, So
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: that's fifty seven thousand megawatts by twenty thirty and then
• 30:08
  Speaker 17: ninety thousand megawats of renewables by twenty forty. And of
• 30:11
  Speaker 17: course that the big risk at the moment is that
• 30:13
  Speaker 17: the transmission system in particular struggling to be able to
• 30:16
  Speaker 17: connect all that in time, which is obviously one of
• 30:19
  Speaker 17: the broader concerns.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've got a lot of communities opposing wind
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: farms and solar factories as they call them, going in
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: around the country, as well as transmission lines. Some of
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: them have been reduced in scale, some have been knocked back,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: some have been slowed down. Can you tell us about
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that renewables roll out just how far behind schedule it is.
• 30:43
  Speaker 17: Yeah, Well, at the moment, there's plenty of people wanting
• 30:47
  Speaker 17: to invest in renewables, as in the solar and wind
• 30:50
  Speaker 17: and the battery assets. There's no shortage there, there's no
• 30:53
  Speaker 17: shortage of equipment, and there's certainly no shortage of labor
• 30:57
  Speaker 17: that we can see yet to be able to get
• 30:59
  Speaker 17: it all built. What we are struggling with at the
• 31:02
  Speaker 17: moment is that the transmission connection around that for a
• 31:04
  Speaker 17: variety of reasons. And you quite rightly mention the social
• 31:08
  Speaker 17: impacts of that, and certainly that that's a driver of
• 31:12
  Speaker 17: some of the delays, but I'm not sure that they're
• 31:14
  Speaker 17: unreasonable delays. It's really important that landowners and that some
• 31:18
  Speaker 17: of the regional communities get their fair saying that these
• 31:20
  Speaker 17: things take as long as they need to in some respects.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a hell of a worry. Tell us in
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a word, then are we in strife in the near
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to medium term?
• 31:31
  Speaker 17: Well, I think we're I think the medium term is
• 31:33
  Speaker 17: a bit of a concern when we look at the
• 31:35
  Speaker 17: reason for some of the delays that we can see.
• 31:38
  Speaker 17: You know, I think one of the word that people
• 31:39
  Speaker 17: use is social license, and some of the recommendations that
• 31:43
  Speaker 17: are flying around is that we should streamline social license
• 31:46
  Speaker 17: and that we should sort of make these approvals a
• 31:47
  Speaker 17: bit more quicker. There's a bunch of reasons why transmission
• 31:51
  Speaker 17: projects are behind schedule. One of them is that the
• 31:54
  Speaker 17: connections process is cumbersome. And you know, there's certainly some
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: reforms going on there and they should happen as quickly
• 31:59
  Speaker 17: as poss but I'm not too sure that we want
• 32:02
  Speaker 17: to be streamlining some of the community benefits side and
• 32:05
  Speaker 17: some of the social license pieces. Yeah, we dig into
• 32:08
  Speaker 17: what's causing those. They range from amenity all the way
• 32:11
  Speaker 17: through to arguments over whether the land values are going
• 32:16
  Speaker 17: to go down and even the use of agricultural land.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, livelihoods and all. Yeah. If you crash through that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: too quickly, you create all sorts of trouble. Thanks for
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: joining us, Matt, I appreciate it. Matt. Ready there from
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Ready Advisory, got to get to a break. On the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: other side, Dan T and the Immigration Minister talk to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: him about the economy, the NDAs and of course the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: incompetence of the Immigration Minister Andrew Giles. Now I spoke
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: at the top of the program about the economy and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: confirmation today that Australia is in a per capita recession
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that's been going for over a year. The economy is
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: growing by less than our population, so we're getting poorer
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: as individuals, and we've been doing this for a long time,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: as I said, But in Parliament, Jim Charmer's put I'm
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: brave or should we say smug face these national accounts.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: So we got the budget settings right, they justify our
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: approach to fighting inflation and repairing the budget without smashing
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the economy.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it needs to get out and talk
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to people a little bit more. I took this per
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: capita recession up with Shadow Immigration Minister Dan.
• 33:23
  Speaker 18: Ten Absolutely five quarters now of a GDP per capita
• 33:30
  Speaker 18: recession and people are feeling very, very hardly done by
• 33:36
  Speaker 18: by the government. They're asking themselves do I feel poorer
• 33:40
  Speaker 18: under Anthony Alberisi? And the majority of them are saying yes.
• 33:45
  Speaker 18: And not only that, the figures today absolutely prove why
• 33:49
  Speaker 18: they are feeling that, And the Prime Minister and the
• 33:52
  Speaker 18: Treasurer and the government as a whole doesn't seem to
• 33:55
  Speaker 18: have any answers to what's happening, and people, I think
• 34:00
  Speaker 18: looking now to the future and thinking there is no
• 34:02
  Speaker 18: end in sight to how I'm feeling, and the government
• 34:05
  Speaker 18: doesn't seem to have any answers to help address the
• 34:09
  Speaker 18: financial pressures on facing.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Isn't the good news for people and for the government
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: out of these numbers though, the sluggish economy, the slow,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: stagnant economy isn't the good news that It means the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: next move of the RBA is likely to be to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: cut interest rates.
• 34:27
  Speaker 18: Well, it's not necessarily the case, Chris, because as you're aware,
• 34:32
  Speaker 18: the government has continued to spend and continue to put
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: stimulus into the economy in a way that is putting
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: upward pressure on interest rates, not downward pressure. And in particular,
• 34:46
  Speaker 18: it was the fall in productivity that we've seen, especially
• 34:51
  Speaker 18: in the last quarter of the last two quarters, which
• 34:54
  Speaker 18: points to the fact that we might not see that
• 34:57
  Speaker 18: downward pressure being put on interest rates.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: A In fact, the.
• 35:00
  Speaker 18: Next move by the RBA still might be to put
• 35:03
  Speaker 18: interest rates up because homegrown inflation continues here in Australia.
• 35:09
  Speaker 18: So even though where we are in a per capita
• 35:15
  Speaker 18: GDP recession and have been for five quarters, the figures
• 35:19
  Speaker 18: aren't pointed of the fact that the RBA might be
• 35:22
  Speaker 18: able to lower interest rates. And that is deeply, deeply concerning.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about an area where everyone, including the government,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: admits that a lot of taxpayers money is being roughted
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and wasted. And that's in the ends. I went into
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: this in some detail at the top of the program.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: But it staggers me that Bill Shortened today is saying
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that this surprises him how bad things are. I mean,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the point is not only has he been in government
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: already for more than two years, but this, of course
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was a Labor scheme that was put in place, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: every time the Coalition tried to tidy things up, titan
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: up the rules around the NDIS when they are in government,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Labor opposed it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 18: You're absolutely right, and I want to be very clear
• 36:08
  Speaker 18: to your viewers that we are going to take a
• 36:11
  Speaker 18: bipartisan approach when it comes to fixing the NDIS.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: We will not be.
• 36:16
  Speaker 18: As irresponsible as Labor were in opposition. We know and
• 36:20
  Speaker 18: understand a the importance of this scheme and be the
• 36:24
  Speaker 18: importance that we get it right, because if we don't
• 36:28
  Speaker 18: and the financial pressures continue that it's placing the budget
• 36:33
  Speaker 18: under then the sad reality is that serious, serious cuts.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Will have to be made to the NDIS.
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: So we've got to make sure that we get the
• 36:45
  Speaker 18: NDIS operating effectively and we will work with the government
• 36:50
  Speaker 18: to do that. And the fact that Bill, sorry, that
• 36:52
  Speaker 18: Bill Shortener is out here today, out in the Parliament
• 36:55
  Speaker 18: today saying I've only been in the of the minister
• 37:01
  Speaker 18: for two years and hence i haven't had enough time
• 37:04
  Speaker 18: is just completely damning indictment on him. If he can't
• 37:07
  Speaker 18: start fixing things in two years. He should hand it
• 37:10
  Speaker 18: to someone else who can.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Let's get to your portfolio, that is immigration. Now you've
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: got surely the Immigration Minister hanging by a thread and
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: absolute shambles in this country when it comes to those
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: criminals who were in detention and were free, and now
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: so many other criminals, foreign criminals allowed to stay here
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: under a Direction ninety nine. Why didn't you continue to
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: pursue Andrew Giles in Parliament today, especially when you exposed
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: him yesterday for saying that somehow Australia has an obligation
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: to foreign criminals.
• 37:45
  Speaker 18: Well, obviously the economic figures out today were deeply, deeply concerning,
• 37:50
  Speaker 18: so we wanted to focus on that and especially also
• 37:53
  Speaker 18: to focus on the NDIS given the amount of fraud
• 37:57
  Speaker 18: that is taking place. But it doesn't mean we're going
• 38:00
  Speaker 18: to ease up on Andrew Giles and will continue to
• 38:04
  Speaker 18: ask him questions. But it's not only when it comes
• 38:07
  Speaker 18: to foreign criminals that, through his signing of a ministerial
• 38:11
  Speaker 18: direction that is leading those foreign criminals to stay in
• 38:14
  Speaker 18: Australia are rather than be deported. There are other issues
• 38:17
  Speaker 18: as well. There are issues to do with the fact
• 38:20
  Speaker 18: that he's nearly letting a million people in the first
• 38:24
  Speaker 18: two years of this government and who those two million
• 38:28
  Speaker 18: people are because they're definitely not adding to productivity. As
• 38:32
  Speaker 18: a matter of fact, we've seen that they're letting in
• 38:35
  Speaker 18: yoga instructors when the head of the Yoga Instructors Australia
• 38:39
  Speaker 18: says we've got a glut of yoga teachers. They're letting
• 38:44
  Speaker 18: in lawyers and accountants at a greater rate than they
• 38:47
  Speaker 18: are construction workers when we've got a housing crisis and
• 38:50
  Speaker 18: a rental crisis. This Immigration Minister has no clue what
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  Speaker 18: he's doing. And we will continue to keep the pressure
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  Speaker 18: on because what he is doing to Australia is quite
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  Speaker 18: quite scary, and that's why the Prime Minister should show
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  Speaker 18: leadership and sack him. But he's not, and I think
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  Speaker 18: that is more. Every day is a reflection on the
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  Speaker 18: Prime Minister for himself.
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  Speaker 1: Now, well, we will keep watching with interest because he
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  Speaker 1: is presiding over an absolute shambles at the moment, as
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  Speaker 1: you just outlined. Thanks for joining us, Dan Pleasure. Chris. Now,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, the federal election is due next year,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: but the PM could go before the end of this
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  Speaker 1: year of course, so the process of selecting candidates as
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  Speaker 1: well and truly underway. I want to introduce you to
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  Speaker 1: the newest Liberal candidate for the winnable labor seat of
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  Speaker 1: mac Namara used to be Melbourne Ports in Melbourne. Now
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  Speaker 1: his name this candidate is Benson Solo. He joins me
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  Speaker 1: now live from Melbourne. Benson first up, congratulations on winning
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  Speaker 1: pre selection last night.
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  Speaker 19: Well, thanks so much, Chris, and I'm great to be
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  Speaker 19: here this evening.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Tell us it's a labor seat, a long time
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  Speaker 1: labor seat. Narrow margin though, and it'll be shifted around
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  Speaker 1: a bit in this redistribution that's causing a few a
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  Speaker 1: bit of consternation in Melbourne at the moment. Firstly, do
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  Speaker 1: you think it's winnabull and what are you going to
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  Speaker 1: focus on? What do you want to talk to the
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  Speaker 1: people of McNamara about most.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, so I absolutely believe that after over one hundred
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  Speaker 19: years that this seat has been held under labor, the
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  Speaker 19: people of Mcamara do want to change. They feel like
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  Speaker 19: that's being taken for granted. They feel like the seat's
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  Speaker 19: been overlooked, hasn't had the leadership that they need and
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  Speaker 19: they deserve. And I think they are looking for a change.
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  Speaker 19: We know that it is a three way race between Labor,
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  Speaker 19: the Greens and ourselves and it does come down to
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  Speaker 19: preferences at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: But I believe that as the.
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  Speaker 19: Candidate, a presenter, a really strong, capable and effective leader
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  Speaker 19: for the seat of McNamara.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it occurs to me I think there's a strong
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  Speaker 1: Jewish vote in that area too, and with the Greens
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  Speaker 1: so feral on Gaza and Israel, and with Labor relying
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  Speaker 1: so heavily on the Greens, there might be an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: there to try and split off some people from Labor,
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  Speaker 1: because otherwise it's a Labor Greens alliance there, which is very,
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  Speaker 1: very critical when it comes to these issues. I want
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  Speaker 1: to go to your background. I want to focus too
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  Speaker 1: much on identity issues. But you're an Indigenous candidate and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you were the first Australian Indigenous Consul general when you
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  Speaker 1: serve our country looking after business interests in Houston, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: and you're coming into a party that's got some prominent
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous members, especially just into Namba, jimper Price of course
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  Speaker 1: and Karen Little, so that you must be really enthusiastic
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  Speaker 1: about that indigenous leadership that's been animated through the Liberal Party. Yeah.
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  Speaker 19: Absolutely, And we look at the history of the Liberal
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  Speaker 19: Party as well, and we look at Nevill Bonner as
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  Speaker 19: well as ken Wyatt, and then also as you've mentioned
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  Speaker 19: and just sent you know, we have got a long
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  Speaker 19: history of representation that are interested in real outcomes at
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  Speaker 19: the grassroots level.
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  Speaker 1: I think where I can.
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  Speaker 19: Bring my experience and my expertise is around that economic
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  Speaker 19: development and what we saw out of the Voice for
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  Speaker 19: there was no Plan B coming from Labor. They really
• 42:18
  Speaker 19: dropped the ball in regards to taking it to the
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  Speaker 19: people for starters, but they're not having a response when
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  Speaker 19: ultimately there was over sixty percent of Australians voting against
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  Speaker 19: voting against the Voice. What I really believe in where
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  Speaker 19: I think that I can really complement the wonderful work
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  Speaker 19: of Justina and Karen is around that economic empowerment piece.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the part.
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  Speaker 19: That I've been really focused on my career for really
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  Speaker 19: for the last seven years, has been building capacity, capability,
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  Speaker 19: but then also governance across our indigenous businesses and traditional
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  Speaker 19: owner groups in order to participate in the broader economy.
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  Speaker 12: And I think that's.
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  Speaker 19: That could have been the plan b and I think
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  Speaker 19: it is actually the path forward for seeing success and
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  Speaker 19: prosperity across our communities.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, great insights, Benson. Thanks for joining us again for
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  Speaker 1: a short chat. Let's hope we can catch up and
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  Speaker 1: have a chat again later on. I appreciate it. Benson
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  Speaker 1: solo their indigenous candidate now for the Liberal Party and
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  Speaker 1: the seat of Macnamara, with a pretty impressive background in business,
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  Speaker 1: including serving Australia in Houston there for a few years. Now.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: On the other side of this break, the Wednesday Wrangle,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: of course, we the latest on sleepy Joe Biden plus
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi's nuclear scare campaign. It's time to wrangle, and
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I want to first introduce our guests from Melbourne, The
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Wrangler Justin Smith broadcast to author and all around man
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: about town in Melbourne. Because when we come back here
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: to the desk at the Sky News Center, want to
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: introduce late show co host Liz Storer and I heard
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a whisper it may be your birthday today, can do
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: yes twenty one again? Good stuff. I only just found
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  Speaker 1: this out, so I haven't the cake or anything, but
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  Speaker 1: not even acake. Congratulations on the day now, we haven't
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: got much time, but I've got to take up someone.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I've got to show you both and everybody at home
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the latest from Joe Biden. Watch it and cringe, thank
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you very much?
• 44:27
  Speaker 20: Politics with the war?
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  Speaker 15: What was that?
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: I asked her?
• 44:46
  Speaker 16: Is Prime Mister Natiaho playing politics with the war?
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. He's trying to work out of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a serious probably, thank you, oh year. So look, it
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: was a reasonable answer to the question. In the end
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: is but is he with us? Because he had too
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: many of those days that you're still are running tonight,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not with us.
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  Speaker 21: But the shock from the press club as he actually
• 45:13
  Speaker 21: stopped to acknowledge a question and be like, what was that?
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  Speaker 12: All right?
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Sides? Wait, why is my moment?
• 45:21
  Speaker 21: He's actually clocked in on my question?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Oh it's incredible. Now, look, whether we know there are
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of people his age and much older who
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: are super sharp and super focused. But he's just not
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: with us at the moment. Is he justin.
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  Speaker 22: No, he's not well. And look, I mean, look at
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  Speaker 22: the political parties in America at the moment. I don't
• 45:42
  Speaker 22: think we're too much better, but hell, they're in an
• 45:45
  Speaker 22: absolute mess. I mean, you look at you've got the
• 45:47
  Speaker 22: Democrats that have Joe Biden there, and nobody seems to
• 45:52
  Speaker 22: have a pair to be able to go to Joe
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  Speaker 22: Biden and say, listen, mate, you're not well, you're not
• 45:56
  Speaker 22: going to be able to do this job. Wanted to
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  Speaker 22: do the party of favor stand down and let's put
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  Speaker 22: in a good candidate and go up against the Republicans.
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  Speaker 22: And then you've got the Republican side, which have a
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  Speaker 22: convicted felon that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Looks like he's going to be there. Who's going to
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: be running for the.
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  Speaker 22: Republicans can't go to Trump and say, listen, mate, you're
• 46:15
  Speaker 22: running in this.
• 46:16
  Speaker 21: And you're one of those cases is bogus and you
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  Speaker 21: know it's going to be over there.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's a matter of that.
• 46:23
  Speaker 21: No one in the camp is telling Biden to step down,
• 46:27
  Speaker 21: despite the fact he's clearly in our old man, because
• 46:30
  Speaker 21: they love running.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: To what I said they should now I think it
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: is it is a statement of fact that Trump is
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: a convicted felon, but he also sort of owns the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: returnment Party at the moment. But welcome watch this space.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: It makes no sense for Joe Biden to pull out
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: yet it'll be after the convention, because if he pulls
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: out now, then you get President Kamala Harris or someone
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: else gets the convention, gets the nomination at the convention.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: They have to wait till he's he's got the nomination
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: at the convention. Then he needs to pull out and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: they appoint Gavin Newsom or gretchenm Wichma or whatever, or
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: if they're really clever, they get Michelle Obama and they win.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: They win easy. Let's get back to Australian politics, which
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: is a little bit better than American politics, I think.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Although although he's just a little he's working on it,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: because look at this. This is the Prime Minister of
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: our nation on social media today trying to scare Australians
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: about how there might be a nuclear power plant down
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  Speaker 1: there on the beach at Newcastle or even in the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Barossa Valley. I mean, this is just pathetic, isn't it, Liz.
• 47:36
  Speaker 21: It is so he's just trying to get Sorry, what was.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: This Hunter Valley in Gippsland. It could be one in Gippsland,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: but not there on the beach. You'd have it where
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the coal fired power stations are.
• 47:47
  Speaker 21: Oh one, And that is what the coalitions looking at
• 47:51
  Speaker 21: proposing and it makes total sense for Australia to go
• 47:56
  Speaker 21: down this route.
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  Speaker 12: Nuclear power is.
• 47:59
  Speaker 21: Responsible for ten percent of the world's electricity. Four hundred
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  Speaker 21: and forty reactors pump that out and all these countries
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  Speaker 21: benefiting from it except for US. We just dig up
• 48:10
  Speaker 21: all our uranium and send it overseas for them to
• 48:13
  Speaker 21: benefit from it. If these guys are serious about low
• 48:17
  Speaker 21: carbon electricity, nuclear is the way to go. And this
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  Speaker 21: has shown the world over justin.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: The key point here is people don't really like wind
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: turbines and solar factories next to all of them either.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: And also if you go to France, you run along
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: on the train, there's a nuclear reactor and there's a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: nice little village with vineyards around that it doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: scare people.
• 48:39
  Speaker 22: Look, this is something that has always disappointed me about
• 48:42
  Speaker 22: Anthony Albanezi though. I mean, he fought like hell to
• 48:45
  Speaker 22: get that job, and then once he gets there he
• 48:47
  Speaker 22: wants to keep behaving like a politician. Make you the
• 48:50
  Speaker 22: prime minister now, and you've got the chance to send
• 48:53
  Speaker 22: out a tweet about a million different things about people volunteering,
• 48:59
  Speaker 22: or about something that you're trying to make happen or
• 49:01
  Speaker 22: something inspiring, and he said he just wants to play politician.
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  Speaker 22: He's got plenty of time to debate nuclear power if
• 49:07
  Speaker 22: that's what he wants to do.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: But quickly, just quickly, I want to show you some
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: British politics. Because we said American politics bad, Australian politics bad. Well,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: here's what happens in English politics, Nigel Faras, we haven't
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: got the vision here. He's just happily here, he is,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you walking along. He's up ended with a banana milkshake.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: That's an assault, isn't it? Lose it is?
• 49:27
  Speaker 12: If this isn't battery, what is?
• 49:29
  Speaker 21: And yet of course no conviction, no prosecution. He handled
• 49:33
  Speaker 21: it with his typical signature for raj sense of humor,
• 49:36
  Speaker 21: and then made a responding clip which he shared to Twitter,
• 49:40
  Speaker 21: which was him singing, my milkshake brings all the boys
• 49:43
  Speaker 21: to the yard, but his own version was right, milkshake
• 49:47
  Speaker 21: brings all the people to the rally.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: The campaign right out of time for wrangling. Thanks so much.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Enjoy your birthday tonight, Liz Storis. You'll be back for
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: the late debate. And of course, Justin Smith, my favorite
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: kind of smoothie banana you just sort of look it up.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Carry on, he's Steve Price, filling in for Peter Kreidlin.
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  Speaker 20: Mm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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  Speaker 19: Mm hm