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The Big Issues - Tuesday 8 June 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Mix one O four point nine and well it is
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Time for the Big issues and joining us
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  Speaker 1: in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: Let's check that I've got the right microphone on.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us in the studio this morning. Dave Toler, good morning,
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  Speaker 1: Great to be with you. Cody and Damien Hale, good
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  Speaker 1: morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: Are you very well?
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  Speaker 1: And of course the Big Issues brought to you by
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  Speaker 1: Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal Lined operated and community led
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  Speaker 1: organization from the top end to Tenant Creek.
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  Speaker 2: Tell you what there's lots going on.
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  Speaker 1: Around the around the northern I'm not around the territory,
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  Speaker 1: around the nation share today and I might just take
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  Speaker 1: you across firstly to this story which is making news
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  Speaker 1: headlines all around the place, and that is the one
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  Speaker 1: involving sas soldier Ben Robert Smith, now elite soldier Ben
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  Speaker 1: Robert Smith has killed in the heat of battle, but
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  Speaker 1: is not an ostentatious psychopath from the likes of a
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  Speaker 1: Kopo lips Now who carried out war crimes in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he's lawyer say.
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  Speaker 1: Now. The first day of the defamation case has heard
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  Speaker 1: it is a story of courage and devotion to duty
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  Speaker 1: against corrosive attacks by those who forgot soldiers must kill
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  Speaker 1: in battle. This court case is everyone like, everyone's keeping
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  Speaker 1: a close eye on it, there's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: But some of the details I suppose that are coming out,
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  Speaker 1: or some of the stuff that's been really reported, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to know what to make of it. All.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's you know, we expect now, if
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  Speaker 3: I wanted somebody fighting to for Australia, you'd want this
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  Speaker 3: guy at two hundred and three centimeters. He'd look at
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  Speaker 3: an imposing figure on the battlefield. But you know, Australian
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  Speaker 3: soldiers over the years, whether you like it or not,
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  Speaker 3: have killed people.
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  Speaker 4: That's what soldiers are trained to do.
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  Speaker 3: And it's very difficult when you're in a theater of
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  Speaker 3: war where people eating their cucumber sandwiches and drinking their
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  Speaker 3: lattes in Sydney expect you to behave in a certain
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  Speaker 3: way when the people you're fighting don't have any moral
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  Speaker 3: compass about how they're going to behave. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's a warzone and unfortunately war is not a John
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  Speaker 3: Denver concert, It is not Kumbai r and these guys,
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  Speaker 3: you could imagine the amped up atmosphere of being an
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  Speaker 3: SAS trooper, going out every day after your pre start
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  Speaker 3: and being told what to look out for. We know
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  Speaker 3: what the Taliban are likely to do. The Taliban have
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  Speaker 3: injured over thirty thousand Allied troops, they've killed over four thousand,
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  Speaker 3: so they're not there to muck around either. So unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: this is what happens in a war theater.
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  Speaker 5: I sort of think though, that the air of political
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  Speaker 5: correctness seems to sort of infiltrate every aspect of our
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  Speaker 5: life these days. You know, you look at football players,
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  Speaker 5: it's as much about what happens off the field as
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  Speaker 5: happens on the field. You know. It's I suppose it's
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  Speaker 5: no surprise really that our defense forces are getting dragged
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  Speaker 5: into this maya.
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  Speaker 2: As well, I suppose detimately.
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  Speaker 5: The point Hailey mates, I think is a valid one.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you train these people to be in horrific situations,
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  Speaker 5: and the part of the military that he came from,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they're the best trained.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there are elite forces, there's no doubt about that, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, And I suppose somewhere along the line, we've got
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  Speaker 5: to accept the fact that that's what they're trying to do.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the allegation, like to play Devil's advocate here,
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  Speaker 1: that the allegation is that there's some things that cross
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  Speaker 1: that line, like in terms of you know, there'd been
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  Speaker 1: like allegations that some of these blokes have been drinking
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  Speaker 1: out of a prosthetic leg and things like that there
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  Speaker 1: will be appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's more that it's not deemed appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's not appropriate, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, if you're sitting there drunk and you
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  Speaker 5: know you've got a prosthetic limb, you know, maybe you
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  Speaker 5: have it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know someone.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's hardly a crime, I mean, galling or whatever,
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  Speaker 5: but it's.
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  Speaker 1: Mortifying, you know if you think that it is somebody
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  Speaker 1: who's been who's been killed.
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  Speaker 5: Him in these days overd awareness and all that sort
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  Speaker 5: of stuff, drinking out of the same cup people win.
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  Speaker 1: And like some of the allegations are you know, some
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  Speaker 1: of them are concerning. And I think that you know,
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  Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, Dave, that you know, have
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  Speaker 1: we've gone too far in terms of political correctness. So
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  Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, Hailey, in the sense that
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about a war situation here. We're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about, you know, what's deemed acceptable at the pub
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  Speaker 1: on the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I suppose that's being stupid.
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  Speaker 3: These guys have trained to kill, and that is and
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  Speaker 3: that's the expectation. Men in suits send young Australians overseas
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  Speaker 3: to fight in these wars, and then they've got all
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  Speaker 3: this other expectation over them. And now, if he's done
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  Speaker 3: any of this stuff, why isn't he been charged? Why
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  Speaker 3: isn't he Why has it only come to a head
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  Speaker 3: now because he's actually had the guts to stand up
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  Speaker 3: and say, you know what, I'm not going to cop this.
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  Speaker 3: I've been over there doing the best I can in
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  Speaker 3: a very trying situation. And I've got these journalists back
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  Speaker 3: in Australia that have written stuff that he believes to
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  Speaker 3: be untrue. So he's taken them for defamation. If all
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  Speaker 3: this stuff is true, why isn't he being charged and
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  Speaker 3: actually been dragged through a military court. He isn't He's
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  Speaker 3: the one that's instigated this because he wants to clear
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  Speaker 3: his name, and rightly so. And I hope that he
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  Speaker 3: gets the result he's after because I think that you know,
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  Speaker 3: hears I feel that the people that have really let
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  Speaker 3: him down are whatever happened, what happens on tour stays
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  Speaker 3: on tour. Now, I'm sure that every single soldier would
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  Speaker 3: feel the same way that these things that occur in
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  Speaker 3: a weird war theater that if you don't like it,
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  Speaker 3: don't look into it. We had children and women killed
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  Speaker 3: here in Darwin in nineteen forty two. Did the Japanese
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  Speaker 3: come in and say We're deliberately going to kill men
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  Speaker 3: and women and children? Of course they didn't collateral damage
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  Speaker 3: in war, and unfortunately that's what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I I don't disagree with what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: but I suppose the other side of it is that
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  Speaker 1: there are allegations that there were innocent people killed, and
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, that is what you know wash those
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  Speaker 1: journalists I'm assuming who reported these stories were, you know, the.
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  Speaker 2: Point that they're getting across.
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  Speaker 1: So like just to look at it from the other
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  Speaker 1: the other perspective as well.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, there is.
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  Speaker 1: A reason why this is now ended up in court.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and look, it will be interesting to Sealy happens.
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  Speaker 1: It will be Hey, let's let's move along though, because
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  Speaker 1: there is plenty happening around the place and just trying
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  Speaker 1: to remember what I was going to look at next.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to talk about this Bill of Wheeler family, Dave.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually your hometown mate, Bill Wheeler, Wheeler boy the second.
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  Speaker 1: And we know that the friend of a family who
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  Speaker 1: who is detained on Christmas Islands said that she was
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  Speaker 1: devis dated to see the.
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  Speaker 2: Young girl in hospital three year old.
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  Speaker 1: The little three year old was diagnosed with sepsis yesterday
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  Speaker 1: after almost two weeks of feeling unwell.
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  Speaker 2: She was flown to Perth yesterday for urgent treatment.
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  Speaker 1: I think that most Australians would know about this Bill
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  Speaker 1: of Wheeler family. Obviously they ended up there at Christmas Island.
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  Speaker 1: Was you know, it was a debarcle. I think you
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  Speaker 1: know they were from all accounts, and Dave, you probably
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  Speaker 1: have You probably actually know people that still live in
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  Speaker 1: Billa Wheeler and could either vouch for us or say
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  Speaker 1: the opposite. But they were well and truly a part
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  Speaker 1: of that community. From what I can gather in Billa.
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  Speaker 5: Wheel I got no doubt they were. And you know
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  Speaker 5: there's lots of people that end up in the community
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  Speaker 5: who contribute well and all of that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: The point is that they came here illegally and they
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  Speaker 5: had to be removed. Now I know that there's people
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  Speaker 5: in the community who see families like this who are wonderful,
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  Speaker 5: respected people, working hard and all of that sort of stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and are very upset by the fact that they've been deported.
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  Speaker 1: It was sad.
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  Speaker 4: The reality is this is.
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  Speaker 5: One of the things I think when you look at
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  Speaker 5: but I mean when you sit there and you have
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  Speaker 5: a lot going on the US, this uncontrolled illegal immigration
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  Speaker 5: through their southern borders, that sort of stuff. They all
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  Speaker 5: look at Australia as the gold standard on how to
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  Speaker 5: manage your borders, and it's taken us, you know, well
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  Speaker 5: over a decade to get to this stage where there's
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  Speaker 5: general acceptance that you actually have to be a little
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  Speaker 5: bit tough when it comes to border protection.
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  Speaker 2: I just think you're a bit heartless with this.
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  Speaker 5: Well I disagree. I mean, she's in a Perth hospital,
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  Speaker 5: she's being looked after and cared for. People in the
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  Speaker 5: a b C.
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  Speaker 4: That's right there.
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  Speaker 5: People in the a b C. You want to make
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  Speaker 5: a big issue about this and suggest that it's cruel
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  Speaker 5: and heartless and the like.
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  Speaker 2: Usually a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't the opportunity for Minister Dutton, Minister Dutton to
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  Speaker 3: show a level of compassion. So even under all the
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  Speaker 3: retric that Howard was, let us finish, though, Dave had
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  Speaker 3: you go all of retric that Howard went on about
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  Speaker 3: the majority of people that came to Australia under John
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  Speaker 3: Howard ended up staying here.
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  Speaker 4: That's the reality.
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  Speaker 3: And and so in this case, this family should be
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  Speaker 3: allowed to go back and follow the same path that
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  Speaker 3: the other famous biller Wheel and Person followed.
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  Speaker 4: In his life and moved to the northern.
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  Speaker 3: Then Dave told one of my favorite Wheel of products,
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  Speaker 3: he is the best.
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  Speaker 5: Pro when lefties start talking about compassion, seriously left you know,
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  Speaker 5: the compassionate thing to do, well, how compassionate was to
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  Speaker 5: let thousands of people die at sea. You know when
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  Speaker 5: when Kevin Rudd undid all of those borders, you know,
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  Speaker 5: undid the the Pacific solution that John Howard had in place.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there was no compassion in that. There's no
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  Speaker 5: compassion in any of this sort of stuff. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's just people like on the left. He tend to
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  Speaker 5: squeal aloud as he lacks compassion. Well, he doesn't lack
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  Speaker 5: compassion that that child is being cared for in a
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  Speaker 5: Perth hospital. The fact is that they're here illegally and
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  Speaker 5: they've been asked to leave. They're still sitting on Christmas Island, not.
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  Speaker 3: Here illegally because it's not illegal to seek asylum. It's
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  Speaker 3: not illegal. That's another furfy that the other side of
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  Speaker 3: politics like to throw up.
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  Speaker 4: It's not legal, but it is illegal.
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  Speaker 3: To come detention. They've now come the biller wheeler and
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  Speaker 3: they should be.
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  Speaker 5: Allowed to signature to the human rights.
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  Speaker 4: Laws on this stuff.
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  Speaker 5: And the reality is there's there's a whole process that
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  Speaker 5: people have to go through to be deemed refugees and
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  Speaker 5: turning up on a boat at the beach is not
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  Speaker 5: one of those things. They sit there and hang on
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  Speaker 5: wishes of the solution.
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  Speaker 4: Stopped the boat.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what, surprisingly, I don't think that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to come to agreement in this studios.
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  Speaker 5: Until time on the scene that the boats actually stopped.
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  Speaker 2: Let's move along.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to talk about something that's actually happening
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  Speaker 1: here in the territory at the moment, and it is
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  Speaker 1: being reported on the front page today.
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  Speaker 2: We spoke to the Health minister about.
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  Speaker 1: It a little bit earlier, Cole's has completely removed aerosol
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  Speaker 1: deodorance from the aisles of its Northern Territory stores in
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  Speaker 1: an effort to combat dangerous misuse of the products. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Cole's spokesman has said it recently made the decision to
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  Speaker 1: place the aerosol deodorance in locked cabinets to restrict stealing
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  Speaker 1: and misuse of products and improve availability for customers. I've
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  Speaker 1: also over the last few weeks spoken to the likes
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  Speaker 1: of Larichia Nation who had said that at the moment
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  Speaker 1: we've got a real issue with chroming in some of
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  Speaker 1: our suburbs Grip. Well, yeah, well, I mean the thing is,
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  Speaker 1: it's I mean like it's a pretty serious concern and
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  Speaker 1: we've got to lock our deodorant up behind behind enclosed
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  Speaker 1: cabinets at the supermarket.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's reports that kids are walking through Casuarina are
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  Speaker 3: just out in the open spraying the real the odorans
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  Speaker 3: into plastic bags.
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  Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yeah, We're just.
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  Speaker 4: Out brazen, out in the open. So it has become
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  Speaker 4: an issue.
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  Speaker 3: We've had it come up at our Palmerston Safer Communities
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  Speaker 3: meeting and there's been discussions about it, but it has
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  Speaker 3: been happening in the northern suburbs as well for probably
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  Speaker 3: the last three or four months. So it's got to
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  Speaker 3: a point now where having to lock the deodorants up,
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  Speaker 3: which is sad, like, I don't know what a kid's doing.
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  Speaker 3: It's just crazy stuff. Why are you doing this stuff?
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  Speaker 3: It's no good for you. Put it in your arms.
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  Speaker 4: The cause, not the symptom.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's take a very short break.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you are listening to BIX one O four point
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  Speaker 1: nine's three sixty It is the Big issues with Damian
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  Speaker 1: Hale and Dave Tolner.
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  Speaker 5: Hello, Katie Wolf and three sixty one at Mixed one
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  Speaker 5: O four nine dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Pea still around control.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Dates Honor and Damien Hale in the studio with me. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about this situation which sort of continuing on.
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  Speaker 1: We know that the ABC Managing Director David Anderson has
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  Speaker 1: denied the Prime Minister's office had requested the Four Corners program,
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  Speaker 1: which is exploring links between Scott Morrison and a supporter
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  Speaker 1: of the Q and on conspiracy theory, not go to
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  Speaker 1: air now. The ABC boss said he personally reviewed the
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  Speaker 1: episode last Thursday and ruled that more work needed to
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  Speaker 1: be done. Before the episode was ready to publish. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I think it'd be safe to say that there is
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  Speaker 1: no love lost at the moment between the federal government
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  Speaker 1: and the ABC. We also saw yesterday the situation with
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  Speaker 1: Christian Porter and the ABC, the ABC having to pay
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  Speaker 1: out a substantial amount of money.
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  Speaker 2: To the former Attorney General.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have that article in front of me, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you to discuss while I try to find it.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 5: I just think the whole thing with the ABC these
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  Speaker 5: days is disgusting. I mean, they have absolutely no drama
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  Speaker 5: at all assassinating the character of anyone they see as
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  Speaker 5: a conservative.
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  Speaker 4: They're forced to.
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  Speaker 5: Fork out huge amounts in legal costs because of it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Christian Porter has lost his job as Attorney
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  Speaker 5: General based on you know, hearsay basically that the ABC
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  Speaker 5: dems it's fit to report you know George Pell, of
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  Speaker 5: course was basically it was trial by media with George
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  Speaker 5: Pell went all the way to the High Court to
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  Speaker 5: find out we'll hang on. You know, none of this
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  Speaker 5: stuff is right. You know, it just just seemed to price.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago won a court case against
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  Speaker 5: the ABC for defamation. It just doesn't seem to stop
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  Speaker 5: and the thing with the latest one, the Q and
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  Speaker 5: non stuff and that sort of stuff. They talked to
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  Speaker 5: Scott Morrison's office, they say, no, you know, he didn't
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  Speaker 5: sort of push the ABC one way or the other. Well,
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  Speaker 5: no one ever pushes the ABC one way or the other.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it's probably about time that some of
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  Speaker 5: politicians do you know, there's a billion dollars of taxpayers
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  Speaker 5: money going into that organization and the last thing they're
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  Speaker 5: coming up with his news.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and in this situation, the ABC is managing director
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  Speaker 1: David Anderson said the defamation action taken by Christian Porter
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  Speaker 1: has cost the public broadcast to seven hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but it's actually the taxpayer who funds the AB.
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  Speaker 1: So look, you know, I guess for me, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: as somebody who works in the media, I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that I've got a massive responsibility every day
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  Speaker 1: when I get on this show, that I've got to
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  Speaker 1: present two sides to every every discussion.
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  Speaker 5: And it seems that they're involved solely character assassinations.
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  Speaker 2: Conservatives.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's only.
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  Speaker 1: One side that's exactly right, and we're both wearing our
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  Speaker 1: myur own shirts today.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not wearing.
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  Speaker 2: I wear it.
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  Speaker 3: Dave Tyler. Dave Tyler just loves belting up the aby.
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  Speaker 1: There's one thing we know about David doesn't love the
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  Speaker 1: aben other.
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  Speaker 3: Than sticking the occasional pig while he's out shooting and
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  Speaker 3: carrying on a driving bloody over the top of wherever
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  Speaker 3: he is out there, celebrating the fact that he's a
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  Speaker 3: territory and from Billa Wheeler and Dave just loves whacking
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  Speaker 3: the abs his favorite pastime. It is the other side
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  Speaker 3: of politics gets an armchair right from those other organizations.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a situation now with the Ben Smith Roberts
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  Speaker 3: situation where he works for Channel seven, so in Channel
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  Speaker 3: seven's bank roll in his court case against the Channel
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  Speaker 3: nine reports in the Channel line journalists.
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  Speaker 4: So we're going to see these two. So it depends
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  Speaker 4: which rate.
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  Speaker 5: Kerry stakes Herry's a chairman of the Australian War Memorial.
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  Speaker 5: I mean he's already seven.
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  Speaker 3: But you want to have a contrast in the reporting
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  Speaker 3: of this, watch the Channel seven news and how they
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  Speaker 3: report it, and then watch the Channel nine years. This
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  Speaker 3: has been going on since Jesus played five eight for
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos it's it's been going on for that long
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  Speaker 3: that Dave Toll will build up the A b C
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  Speaker 3: on our side of politics, will bag Sky Channel, will
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: bag Murdoch Newspaper.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Advice to people, don't give a billion dollars channels. That
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: is the difference if you watch, if you want to.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: The spectrum.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: But also I will.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Also say that there are some great journalists at the
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: A b C. You know, it does like it always
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: A lot of them started, a lot of them started, and.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: He's still here.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: It does fantastic job. That's just one person I can
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: think of off the top of my Amy Coulpert is my favorite.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: She reads the news obviously.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Channel play school and cesme street play.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: School the day to day.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I always think it's up to you where you get
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: your news from. That is our decision as consumers. Whether
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you get it from Sky News, whether you get it
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: from the a b C, where you get it from
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Channel nine, the NT News here at Mix, it's really
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: your decision as a consumer. But you've got to have
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: options and we have to be fair in the way.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: In which we report.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Without the I'm serious, without a lot of journalists cut
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: their teeth at the A b C. Through Cadet ships
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff, and they've given us
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: all those great shows.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: All right, and fowls in.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: One minute now before we wrap up, and I want
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: to ask you both. Megan and Harry's decision to name
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: their daughter Lily Bett Diana Mount Batton Windsor has raised
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: eyebrows online, with many questioning whether it's appropriate to borrow
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the Queen's nickname given recent family turmoil.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Very quickly, what do you both think?
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: I think we ought to cut Meg's a bit of slack.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I reckon it's great. I think it's ultimate. It's the
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: ultimate respectful thing to do for the queen. Apparently she
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: couldn't say Elizabeth when she was a kid, So that's
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: where the Lily bit came from. And I think it's
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: an olive branch. Just before they do their next Oprah
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Winfrey tell all.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Exposure and little Archie. I saw him on the news.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: He hasn't got a lot of color.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: He's very huge.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Well, what, I'm sorry.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: That wasn't that one of the things that she said
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: to Oprah? And I looked at the look on Oprah's face, like,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: what worry about the color of the little Fellow. So
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I think it's ultimately a tribute to the Queen and
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: the Queen and Prince Harry, regardless of all the other
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: crap that the media or whoever goes on with.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: They're very close.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So, Dave, do you think that they should have named
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the baby?
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Then?
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: I couldn't hear what they named it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: It's funny, it's a mouthful fit that name on a lunch.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's you know, I would
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: always think, do you teach the child to spell the name?
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: That's always the interesting Anyway, we better wrap up.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Always great to have you two in the studio.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks for.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: That's it for the Big Issues. You are listening to
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