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91. Marguerite de Valois - Queen of Navarre - Part I · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Kerry Charlewood, history harlot and reader of books. Welcome back everybody.
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Speaker 1: It is the first episode of the new year. And
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Speaker 1: I know we're like halfway through January and you did
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Speaker 1: get like Dictorpin technically as a delayed sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: But I've not been well. And then I was away
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Speaker 1: in Munich in Germany for work, so that was fun.
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Speaker 1: So I've kind of been all over the place a
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Speaker 1: little bit, and I just got back last night actually
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Speaker 1: at ten pm was when I found got home. And
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Speaker 1: so today I was like, no, I had my notes
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Speaker 1: done for days actually because I was prepared for this,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I need to be ready to
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Speaker 1: like set up the computer, set up the microphone, and
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Speaker 1: just get back to doing what we do best, talking
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Speaker 1: about people from history who have been misrepresented generally through
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Speaker 1: the eyes of the pale and stale males, thus as
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Speaker 1: we know, just poisoning our perception of you know, cool people.
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Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes you know people do dodgy shit, and
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Speaker 1: that's fine, but we support women's rights and we support
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Speaker 1: women's wrongs. And you know me, I don't believe in
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Speaker 1: slut shaming. I believe in slut faming. And that is
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Speaker 1: why we are talking about who we're talking about today,
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Speaker 1: because I thought, let's start the year as we mean
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Speaker 1: to go on, not late because that's not great, but
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Speaker 1: like the other stuff, so news before we get into
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Speaker 1: anything else. I have a live show coming up in
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Speaker 1: Dublin on the third of February Saturday, third of February
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and it is the bank holiday weekend,
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Speaker 1: and of course we are celebrating the day just like
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Speaker 1: Bridget would want us to, talking about salacious women from
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Speaker 1: history while wearing a dress that shows just a little
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Speaker 1: bit too much cleavage. And that is just how we
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Speaker 1: do it. Because again I am your favorite history of
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Speaker 1: Harlot and I think the first like so many tickets
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Speaker 1: because I did a January sale, are like only a
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Speaker 1: tenor and the rest of fifteen so that you should
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Speaker 1: totally come see me at Hysteria Shiney in Dublin. It's
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Speaker 1: super fun. I did my gig there before and I
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Speaker 1: had somebody message like hey, where else in Europe are
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Speaker 1: you going to be? And I'm like, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's January and I literally organized this, like I think
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Speaker 1: just after Christmas or just after New Years. I was like, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'll come do a show. Yeah, and they're like, yeah, cool.
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Speaker 1: So I haven't got anything else organized yet. But if
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Speaker 1: you're in Europe and you want me to do a
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Speaker 1: live show, I'm just saying, let me know, I'll come. Well,
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Speaker 1: I I mean, i'll see if you're cool and not
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Speaker 1: like an arsehole. But yeah, it's been it's been a
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Speaker 1: time of it because I was sick. I had pneumonia,
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Speaker 1: as many of you have follow the socials will know,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's been like straight from one thing into
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Speaker 1: work and then I'm still not like tip top. But
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Speaker 1: it's fine that I had to go to Germany and
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Speaker 1: then I went to Munich but then saw like none
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Speaker 1: of Munich, so that was fun. But I did eat many,
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Speaker 1: many pretzels. There was a pudding pretzel that was the
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Speaker 1: term pudding pretzel. Who knew that was a thing, like
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Speaker 1: a dessert pretzel. It was delicious, though I had like
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Speaker 1: a custard situation going on. Fucking amazing. I absolutely loved it.
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Speaker 1: And then at breakfast there was salami in the shape
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Speaker 1: of pretzels. I mean when I tell you, I had
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Speaker 1: my fill of pretzels, and I bloody love pretzels. These
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Speaker 1: were just the perfect German experience for little tourists like me.
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Speaker 1: I say, tourists if I wasn't working. But like you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, it was super fun. But I
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Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. You're thinking, quit your jibber jabber
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Speaker 1: in fact me, in fact you I will. But first
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Speaker 1: we've got to get our source on. Our sources are
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Speaker 1: Queen of Hearts, Marguerite of Vlois by Charlotte Haldeen. The
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Speaker 1: Rival Queens Catherine de Medici, her daughter Marguerite de Voi
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Speaker 1: and The Betrayal that United a Kingdom by Nancy Goldstone,
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Speaker 1: The Myth of rain Margot by Robert J. Sile, The
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Speaker 1: French Wars of Religion fifteen fifty nine to fifteen ninety
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Speaker 1: eight by Robert J. Necked, Marguerite de Valois, La Reine
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Speaker 1: Margaux by Ilian Vignot, The Memoirs of margud de Valois Bye,
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Speaker 1: Margrid Devaois. And of course we have our favorites, History
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Speaker 1: dot Com, Historyextra and biography dot com. I use it
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Speaker 1: incomfortably good. Then let's begin. So here is a woman
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Speaker 1: I've wanted to talk about for like a long time.
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Speaker 1: But I try not to stay within the Renaissance or
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Speaker 1: like post Renaissance like too much, because you know, there's
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Speaker 1: so much other history out there that's just wild and
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Speaker 1: fascinating and wonderful. But period in history, those sort of
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Speaker 1: fourteen hundreds, fifteen hundreds, they are wild, Like it's clear
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Speaker 1: that Europe is ruled by a bunch of teenagers for
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Speaker 1: like a long time. Like's it's just as you would
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Speaker 1: imagine it would be, Like, let's put teenagers on on
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Speaker 1: the throne. Let's see how it goes. Spoiler alert not well,
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Speaker 1: but fascinating history nonetheless. But yes, all this stuff is
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Speaker 1: happening for like quite a long time and then just
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Speaker 1: one thing after another. And this story has everything. Assassinations,
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Speaker 1: weird names, I mean some really weird names, not just
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Speaker 1: like oh they're for no, no no, no, no, no no no.
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Speaker 1: Some of these names are ridiculous, And I will apologize
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Speaker 1: for my pronunciation. My mouth is great at the minute,
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Speaker 1: but we'll work it through. But yeah, it's got so
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Speaker 1: much intrigue desire, passion, weird, religious of so much going on, family,
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Speaker 1: just oh, dynamics, Oh my goodness, it's it's a lot happening,
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Speaker 1: and it all evolves around one Marguerite de Volais. Now
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Speaker 1: this is gonna shock you, but we actually have a
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Speaker 1: tay of birth, a woman from the past with a
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Speaker 1: date of birth, a date and everything, not just like
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe July, no, an actual date, because
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Speaker 1: Marguerite de Vallas was born on the fourteenth of May
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Speaker 1: fifteen fifty three at the Shuttle di Saint Marie and Let.
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Speaker 1: She was the seventh child and the third daughter of
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Speaker 1: Henry the second of France and Catherine Day Medici, who
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Speaker 1: is absolutely going to be like having an episode, might
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Speaker 1: even have to split it into two. I don't know
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Speaker 1: yet because she she lived a life, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: even going to cover much of Catherine here, like it's
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Speaker 1: going to be like tipbits of anything, which will show
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Speaker 1: you just just how much she just again women's wrongs,
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Speaker 1: so much, she did so much. But yet Maglite, I'm
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Speaker 1: actually gonna call her Margo for the majority of this
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Speaker 1: episode because that's what she was known as during her lifetime,
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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to get into the habit of doing
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Speaker 1: this more, especially when I'm finding this out because I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you've listened to my Gronio wheel Grania
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Speaker 1: O'Malley episode, and my issue with the fact that her
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Speaker 1: name is Gronia or Granya depending on your pronunciation, but
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Speaker 1: her name that she used during her lifetime should be
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Speaker 1: the name that she is known by, because that's her
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Speaker 1: fucking name. And that's why I'm working very hard to
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Speaker 1: ensure that I do say the right name for everybody.
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Speaker 1: And so Margot was what she was called, and that's
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Speaker 1: what she called herself. So we'll just do that and Margot,
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Speaker 1: you know what, bollocks it. We are gonna do it
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Speaker 1: in chronological order, because I know, Brady bunch it, I
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Speaker 1: guess is the best way to do it. So we
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Speaker 1: have an order of appearance, the children of Henry the
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Speaker 1: second of France and Catherine de Medici, Francis the second, Elizabeth,
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Speaker 1: Queen of Spain, Claude, Duchess of Lorraine, Charles the ninth
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Speaker 1: of France, Henry the third of Franz, Margaret, Queen of France,
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Speaker 1: and Francis, Duke of Anjou. Yeah, yeah, there's there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of kids here again there's there's a bunch of them.
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Speaker 1: But how to put this? Royal families are weird at
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Speaker 1: the best of times. But let's face it, King Henry
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Speaker 1: was more into his mistress than anything else than Catherine DEMODICI. Well,
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Speaker 1: Royal Court was a power play after power play, sneaking schemes,
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Speaker 1: a flying squad. Catherine de Medici had a collection of
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Speaker 1: maid servants, so on and so forth, ladies in waiting
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Speaker 1: even who are part of sort of this flying squad
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Speaker 1: of hers. They were a spy ring specifically under sort
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Speaker 1: of the rule of Catherine de Medici, And so she
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Speaker 1: had them like all over court, just using them to
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Speaker 1: find information. And and I'll just help her out, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. But back to Margot. So childhood
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Speaker 1: starts at the raw nursery, and she spends time with
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Speaker 1: her older sisters, Elizabeth and Claude. Now Elizabeth and Claude,
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Speaker 1: they're much older than she is. So when they get
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Speaker 1: betrothed and get ready to get married, you know, they
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Speaker 1: go off and she is sent to shuttle dis in
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Speaker 1: in Le and shuttle don braise again, I apologize for
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Speaker 1: my pronunciation. And so she spends her time there with
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Speaker 1: her brothers then and growing up. She has a favorite brother, Henry,
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Speaker 1: and so they grow up like pretty close. And it's
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Speaker 1: Charles the ninth actually who gives her her nickname because
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Speaker 1: he starts calling her Margot. Could he pronounce Marguerite where
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Speaker 1: they're just a fuckedun of Marguerite's and he just couldn't
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Speaker 1: be bothered, perhaps, But that is a that is where
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Speaker 1: they're at now. When Margot is six years old, tragedy
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Speaker 1: strikes and she has to witness well a horrific accident
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Speaker 1: resulting in what I could only assume will be a
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Speaker 1: lifetime of trauma. So when she's six years old, her father,
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Speaker 1: King Henry the Second dies. There is a jousting accident.
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Speaker 1: He takes a lance to the eye. Now, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen a lance. It's like a
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Speaker 1: long paul. You should go watch a Knight's tale. It's
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Speaker 1: very fun, but yet effectively, he gets a lance to
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Speaker 1: the eye, a splinter goes in, a chunk of the
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Speaker 1: lance goes through his eye into his brain, and it's
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Speaker 1: a pretty horrific and unpleasant death which is witnessed by
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Speaker 1: all of the children, or at least all of the
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Speaker 1: children that are still at court, so it is not
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Speaker 1: a pleasant death. And at this point her oldest brother,
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Speaker 1: Francis the first takes the throne. Now France is the
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Speaker 1: first you may remember was the week in sickly sort
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Speaker 1: of ruler who was married to Mary, Queen of Scots,
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Speaker 1: like they were married not that long, and he dies
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Speaker 1: of an ear infection. Because a lot of these kids,
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Speaker 1: they're pretty, but they're pretty sickly. And because when she's
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Speaker 1: about seven, that's when he dies, after he dies of
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Speaker 1: an ear infection. And the next brother air and a
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Speaker 1: spare that Charles the ninth becomes king and he's only ten,
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Speaker 1: like he's this is a kid king, so naturally he's ruling.
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Speaker 1: But Catherine de Medici is the one pulling the strings,
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Speaker 1: like that's we know that's happening. But all this stuff
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Speaker 1: is going on, and well, she is a princess. They
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Speaker 1: have plans for her, because as we know, princesses are
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Speaker 1: really good for anything other than alliances and building bonds
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Speaker 1: and being used as upon to you know, strengthen yourself
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Speaker 1: and promote your own country and make money and you
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Speaker 1: know one wars not like and other shit. You know,
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Speaker 1: how does it work? For you. So she needs to
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Speaker 1: be educated well, and so she learning sort of grammar, history, classics,
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Speaker 1: a lot of Bible stuff, so like she really knows
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Speaker 1: Holy scripture because remember France very Catholic, very Catholic country,
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Speaker 1: you know, really into Jesus, and so they learn a
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Speaker 1: lot of like religious stuff and she's very competent in prose, poetry, dance,
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Speaker 1: you know, the things you're supposed to have court these skills.
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Speaker 1: And she also has pretty good horsemanship because of course
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Speaker 1: she does, because you know, skills. And yeah, so again
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Speaker 1: about the whole religious thing, French court is sort of
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Speaker 1: a Yin and yang situation because it's super Catholic and
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Speaker 1: everyone is acting all pious, so it's like very straight
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Speaker 1: laced at the front, but party in the back. So
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Speaker 1: behind closed doors, it's wall to wall smut. They'll sex, debauchery,
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Speaker 1: the laisons dejuse. You know, shit's going down. Catholics. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever ever met a Catholic. If
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Speaker 1: you haven't, they are absolutely filthy, like like there's this
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Speaker 1: joke about Catholic school girls. It's all the you know,
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Speaker 1: repression and I don't know, the tartan uniforms. I assume.
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Speaker 1: But like there's all this repression and it just kind
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Speaker 1: of comes out in hormones, and majority of the court,
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Speaker 1: you know, they're not that old, so there's a lot
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Speaker 1: going on. But yeah, most Christians are kind of dodgy
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Speaker 1: and fairness, but Catholics are absolute horn dogs. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: as she's growing up in court, you know, she she's
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Speaker 1: kind of aware of everything. They don't hide a lot
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Speaker 1: from the kids because they didn't know to do that
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Speaker 1: because you know, it's the past. But she does a
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. She goes on a grand tour with
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Speaker 1: her family. They sort of for two years, they travel
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Speaker 1: around France to just kind of promote the king and
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Speaker 1: the royal family and just you know, try and try
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Speaker 1: and show themselves off, build alliances, you know, so on
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Speaker 1: so forth. And because of all this sort of issues
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Speaker 1: that are happening in France, there's you know, religious segregation
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Speaker 1: as it happens, you know, I mean this is quite
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Speaker 1: a tempestuous time, I must say. But Margot she kind
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Speaker 1: of learns sort of political mediation from her mother, Catherine
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Speaker 1: de Medici. Like she pays attention, she'll learn shit. And
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Speaker 1: as she's getting older, you know, she is female and
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Speaker 1: of royal blood and as such they need to find
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Speaker 1: her husband, and so they start these margin negotiations with
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Speaker 1: like Carlos, Prince of Asturia's Sebastian of Portugal, Archduke Rudolph.
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Speaker 1: Like they're they're trying to make these things happen, but
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Speaker 1: they're they're not really landing anywhere. Things aren't going well now.
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Speaker 1: Growing up in royal court, so she would have spent
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Speaker 1: time with, you know, all of like her siblings, but
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Speaker 1: also people like Mary Quina Scotts and Henry of Navarre.
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Speaker 1: So it's not like a royal nursery per se, but
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Speaker 1: a lot of royals. They would send a person, a
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Speaker 1: child to go stay with like other royals, other nobility,
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Speaker 1: and they would be raised by them effectively, and this
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Speaker 1: would like build sort of relationships and strength and boy, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: Henry of Navarre, his mother Jean, she ain't happy he's there.
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Speaker 1: Instead of seeing him like a ward of the royal family,
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Speaker 1: she sees it effectively as kidnapping, kind of like Theon
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Speaker 1: and Game of Thrones, like when he's taken by the Starks.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've watched Game of Thrones, but
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Speaker 1: the Great Joys his family basically see it as a kidnapping.
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Speaker 1: They see it as like stealing like the last male heir,
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Speaker 1: and Henri of Navar he is he is like the
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Speaker 1: male heir of Navarre, and so yeah, like they're keeping
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Speaker 1: a hold of of him to make sure he doesn't
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Speaker 1: start any shit or his family doesn't start any shit.
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Speaker 1: There's just kind of issues there because Henry's family are
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Speaker 1: had up at this. They're Usionals, they're Protestants effectively, and
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Speaker 1: again very Catholic country, and there's these Protestant sort of
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Speaker 1: pockets happening. There's like uprisings, and it's not greatly appreciated
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Speaker 1: by the royals as such, and so by keeping him
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Speaker 1: there it kind of puts pressure on those sort of
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Speaker 1: Protestant side. Now growing up in court Lee of Navarre,
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Speaker 1: he's not like the hordest guy, Like he's fine, but
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Speaker 1: he's not you know, cool. And I think as well,
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Speaker 1: if you grow up with someone, they're less attractive to
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Speaker 1: you because it's like having a brother like Marquin of
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Speaker 1: Scotts would have been like a sister to her because
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Speaker 1: she was trained to be like a French princess, as
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Speaker 1: we have discussed before. But in Ley he's just he's not.
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Speaker 1: He's not that fun or interesting or smart as far
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Speaker 1: as any of the documents say, Like, I can't find
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Speaker 1: anything that great about him. It just seems to be
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Speaker 1: more convenient that he's there. And also how many times
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Speaker 1: do I have to say this, your family tree should
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Speaker 1: not be a wreath? Now. I don't know how close
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Speaker 1: so much that the French royal family are, but clearly
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Speaker 1: something's going wrong there because the majority of sort of
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Speaker 1: Henry the second and Kevin Denmigci's children were like sick
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Speaker 1: and frail and just unwell in general, and none of
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Speaker 1: them were any great beauty until Margot shows up, because
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Speaker 1: she apparently was an absolute stunner. Her older siblings they're fine,
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Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, we know that Francis the France
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Speaker 1: the first, he was very sort of sickly and weak,
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Speaker 1: and he was short, because I know that Mary Quina
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Speaker 1: Scott like she was pretty tall anyway, like she was
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Speaker 1: very tall for the era. But yeah, they weren't. They
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Speaker 1: weren't anything you know to shout home about. But you
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Speaker 1: had dignitaries and foreign delegates who would write back home
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Speaker 1: about how fucking gorgeous she was. She was so beautiful
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Speaker 1: she was referred to as the peril of Valois, like,
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Speaker 1: she had a great sense of style. She wasn't sick
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Speaker 1: like her siblings, so she wasn't outwardly well, she wasn't
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Speaker 1: noticeably sick, and she was just beautiful and she was fashionable,
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Speaker 1: and she was, you know, the girl of Valois. Like,
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Speaker 1: I have to share this quote for you because it's
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Speaker 1: just it's just amazing. The beauty of the princess is
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Speaker 1: more divine than human. She is made to ruin men
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Speaker 1: rather than to save them. Now, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: be pernickety here, but I am going to be absolutely
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Speaker 1: pernickety here. But this is basically calling her just a
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Speaker 1: slot effectively because she's flirty, because you know, courtly games
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Speaker 1: of love are very much all of this period, and
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Speaker 1: so because she's flirty, and because she is gorgeous, and
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Speaker 1: because she's just just effervescent, she's just wanted and desired
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Speaker 1: and she plays on it a little and naturally, you know,
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Speaker 1: clearly men do not like that. I'm not saying times
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Speaker 1: have changed, but yeah, so when Margot is a little
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Speaker 1: bit older, when they're about fourteen fifteen, because there's not
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Speaker 1: much age difference between in Lee of Navarre and Margol.
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Speaker 1: There's like a couple months I think so Onie's about
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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen, Gene and Le Navarre's mother basically kidnaps him
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Speaker 1: back and she swipes him back to the palace in
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Speaker 1: the var and naturally, Catherine Demodici is pissed because she
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Speaker 1: had been conned and Jeene of Navarre had used Catherine
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Speaker 1: de Medici's money to abscond with and late like she
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Speaker 1: had orchestrated it and she'd use Catherine's money to do it.
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Speaker 1: And oh, if there's one person in the world you
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Speaker 1: do not want to piss off in sort of medieval
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Speaker 1: France from Middle Ages France, Catherine de Medici definitely one
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Speaker 1: of them. Like, no, no, that's not a person you
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Speaker 1: want to bother, absolutely not, like you're digging your own
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Speaker 1: grave there. So during their teenage years anyways, so Henry's
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Speaker 1: gone for a bit, and during Margo's teenage years, like
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Speaker 1: she's really close to her brother Henry. So I know,
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Speaker 1: there's so many, so many Henry's so I'm gonna be
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Speaker 1: like Henry and only because it's just easier. So her
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Speaker 1: brother Henry they're like really really close, and it gets
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Speaker 1: to the point that the the Vala family, so this
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Speaker 1: I don't know. So again weird relationships. They are sort
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Speaker 1: of scheming and sneaky, and there's a lot of like
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Speaker 1: political backbiting and a complete lack of trust and obsession
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Speaker 1: with power seems to be going on here. So her brother, Henry,
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Speaker 1: he basically gets Margot to get close to their mother
25:05
Speaker 1: Katherin Demercio. Henry is he's the favorite, he has the
25:09
Speaker 1: favorite child, he's the golden child, and he's very close
25:11
Speaker 1: to his mum. But when he's away, he has Margo
25:15
Speaker 1: sort of become very close to Catherine, like she is
25:20
Speaker 1: the first person in a room with her last person out.
25:23
Speaker 1: She is helping her, getting involved in planning because again
25:31
Speaker 1: she's mainly ruling for Charles, like she's quote unquote advising him,
25:36
Speaker 1: because that's what Katherin Demitici does. She just puppet master
25:40
Speaker 1: in the corner. And when Henry, her brother, has to
25:46
Speaker 1: go away, he leaves Margot in charge of his affairs
25:50
Speaker 1: and she rules and plans and does all this stuff
25:53
Speaker 1: for him. But unfortunately when she is there in court
26:02
Speaker 1: there is the gorgeous Henry of geese. The geese should
26:07
Speaker 1: say not the geese not the Geese. Those are Those
26:10
Speaker 1: are dangerous and evil and they will beat you in
26:12
Speaker 1: the face. And Navarbian gone. She's unbetrothed, she's a free agent.
26:24
Speaker 1: And there was this absolutely gorgeous, stunning, hot sexy older
26:31
Speaker 1: than her dude, and they kind of flour and they
26:35
Speaker 1: do the usual stuff, kind of the courtly games of love.
26:39
Speaker 1: They're joking about and you know, they're flirtatious in nature
26:43
Speaker 1: because she's a teenager, you know what she does hormones,
26:49
Speaker 1: and rumors starts circling around court, especially because Deguize's family
26:55
Speaker 1: have been caught up in you know, a sticky wicket
26:57
Speaker 1: or two, and there this conspiracy that the Gayes family
27:03
Speaker 1: are planning to kidnap King Charles the Kninth. So obviously
27:07
Speaker 1: that goes down like colled ballin and these rumors start spreading,
27:13
Speaker 1: and so Henry he suspects the secret romance between Margot
27:17
Speaker 1: and Degeze, and there's rumors of like marriage plans, and
27:22
Speaker 1: there's all this again bullshit swirling around, but it's mainly
27:26
Speaker 1: just because they're hot young things and she's not an
27:29
Speaker 1: idiot and things are going well. So unfortunately for Henry,
27:38
Speaker 1: Degize is very popular around core. He's just you know, ladies,
27:44
Speaker 1: man man's man man about town. He is adored, and
27:48
Speaker 1: Henry doesn't fucking like that. So when he comes back
27:52
Speaker 1: and he hears these rumors and he sees what's going on,
27:56
Speaker 1: he is not very happy with Margot and this split happens.
28:06
Speaker 1: And again when these rumors are going around, he basically
28:13
Speaker 1: creates this lasting brotherly hatred between Margot and himself because
28:22
Speaker 1: when the family discover as they discover, when he daubs
28:25
Speaker 1: her in and accuses this of happening, like Deguyze being
28:30
Speaker 1: you know, this older like teenage boy could have easily
28:35
Speaker 1: started saying that he did. Do you know that he
28:37
Speaker 1: deflowered the fucking king's daughter, like he could say he
28:41
Speaker 1: did that, but yeah, no, didn't happen, and it's just bullshit.
28:46
Speaker 1: Spit au ind court, which was then fueled by Henry
28:50
Speaker 1: of Anjou with her brother because he was a jealous fuck.
28:56
Speaker 1: So Marco had been getting close to her mother for
29:00
Speaker 1: four months and she had become the favorite child. She
29:04
Speaker 1: had been learning Catherine's ways. But after Henry Cavanjou comes
29:08
Speaker 1: back all pissed off, Catherine is just done with this.
29:17
Speaker 1: She stops really communicating she distances herself from her daughter,
29:23
Speaker 1: and she just goes back to having Henry gon Drew
29:27
Speaker 1: be her favorite. And all of this happens is because
29:31
Speaker 1: he snitched. He sets her up. He claims they were
29:34
Speaker 1: blinking and actively trying to wed, which she couldn't do anyway. Like,
29:41
Speaker 1: Margot can't do that, that's not an option for her.
29:46
Speaker 1: She can't get married without the king's permission, So like
29:49
Speaker 1: Charles has to agree before she can do anything. She
29:54
Speaker 1: has no power in this, she has no choice, and
29:58
Speaker 1: she growing up in that court would be well fucking
30:00
Speaker 1: aware of that. And marrying without the royal promission, Yeah,
30:06
Speaker 1: that's that's just fucking stupid. And Margot is not an idiot.
30:15
Speaker 1: But because Henry of Anjou was an absolute dickhead, this
30:22
Speaker 1: results in Margot being dragged out of her room and
30:25
Speaker 1: beat it at the request of the king because again,
30:30
Speaker 1: these rumors then go back to Charles, who thinks that
30:33
Speaker 1: he has been publicly disgraced by his sister, that she
30:38
Speaker 1: was not following his rule, and these beatings keep happening,
30:44
Speaker 1: and it's absolutely shocking because here's the thing. In the
30:49
Speaker 1: sixteenth century, in order for these political considerations to happen.
30:55
Speaker 1: In order for these agreements and arrangements to work out,
31:00
Speaker 1: the princess, a princess of royal birth, a noble blooded
31:06
Speaker 1: king's daughter, she has to remain a virgin up until
31:13
Speaker 1: her wedding night. That is the rule. Like, that's it,
31:16
Speaker 1: end of discussion. You cannot have your honor disgraced. You
31:21
Speaker 1: cannot have the king's honor disgraced. And when I know
31:24
Speaker 1: she's the king's sister at this point, but still you
31:27
Speaker 1: can't do that shit, Like her life would not be
31:30
Speaker 1: worth living. And again we've said it over and over again,
31:34
Speaker 1: like the easiest thing to gain and the hardest thing
31:36
Speaker 1: to lose, especially as a woman, especially throughout history, is
31:40
Speaker 1: a reputation. And this is the start of it. This
31:43
Speaker 1: is the start of calling her a whore, right, this
31:46
Speaker 1: is the beginning point, all because her brother was jealous
31:50
Speaker 1: or because of that, because he couldn't handle that she
31:53
Speaker 1: was popular and she was friends with somebody who was popular,
31:58
Speaker 1: Like there's zero evidence of them having any kind of
32:03
Speaker 1: physical relationship at all. But yeah, she is getting the
32:09
Speaker 1: shit kicked out of her. But in order to nip
32:15
Speaker 1: this in the bud, she goes to her older sister
32:18
Speaker 1: Claude who has married into the Degeze family, and she
32:24
Speaker 1: begs and pleads her to convince Henry Degeze to marry
32:28
Speaker 1: someone anyone doesn't give up her coup like anybody will
32:32
Speaker 1: do pick one because she needs these rumors to go
32:36
Speaker 1: to bed. Excuse the pun, because you know, she doesn't
32:39
Speaker 1: want to get beaten daily because she was polite to
32:44
Speaker 1: some cute dude at court, like she doesn't want that happening.
32:47
Speaker 1: I know I wouldn't want that happening, and I think,
32:50
Speaker 1: as you know, plans go, I think it's a fairly
32:53
Speaker 1: reasonable and acceptable one. AnyWho, next thing, you know, Henry
32:58
Speaker 1: Degeze gets married. Huzza. Margo even attends the wedding, so
33:05
Speaker 1: clearly no hard feelings there. Now with this situation, yeah yeah,
33:13
Speaker 1: Like most people who grew up with trauma, it can
33:17
Speaker 1: lead you to being, you know, less than trusting with
33:20
Speaker 1: people you should be able to trust, like friends and family.
33:24
Speaker 1: And this entire situation taught Margot a lesson that would
33:29
Speaker 1: stay with her for life. Now she's a teenager, she
33:37
Speaker 1: is of the right age and as such, it's time
33:42
Speaker 1: to start marriage negotiations. So Catherine de Medici, she is
33:51
Speaker 1: trying to arrange a marriage between Margot and Endley of Navarre,
34:00
Speaker 1: you know, because he's a huge you know, a Calvinist,
34:05
Speaker 1: a Protestant, I just you know, any of those, he's
34:08
Speaker 1: one of those things, right, And she is trying to
34:13
Speaker 1: arrange a marriage between the two, even though she fucking
34:17
Speaker 1: despises his mum, Jean. Unfortunately, over the years, Catherine had
34:25
Speaker 1: alienated a fuck ton of people for you know, being
34:29
Speaker 1: a strong, wild woman in power who definitely poisoned a
34:32
Speaker 1: few enemies along the way. But anyway, there wasn't a
34:38
Speaker 1: lot of options left. And so there's this possibility that
34:43
Speaker 1: by marrying into the you know, one of the leading
34:47
Speaker 1: Protestant people, they could stop some of this religious upheaval
34:54
Speaker 1: and you know, war religious war throughout the country. Perhaps possibly,
35:02
Speaker 1: you know, I work it out, work it out. So
35:07
Speaker 1: this union is aimed to strength and sort of the
35:09
Speaker 1: family ties and in the French wars of religion between
35:13
Speaker 1: the Catholics and the usuals. And because yeah, so France
35:17
Speaker 1: is basically in the Civil war because of sectarianism, really, yep, sectarianism.
35:26
Speaker 1: They're fighting because one of them believes in Mary, the
35:30
Speaker 1: other one doesn't. One like statues one doesn't want statues.
35:37
Speaker 1: Where do you keep the toaster? You know, it's it's weird,
35:41
Speaker 1: but it's a thing. Do you believe in the same God? Yeah, okay,
35:46
Speaker 1: cool guys. Yeah, it's such an odd one. And yeah
35:49
Speaker 1: they are there's they're trying to like put a plaster
35:54
Speaker 1: over a gaping wind, you know, with this sort of marriage.
36:00
Speaker 1: On the Land of April fifteen seventy two, Margot is
36:04
Speaker 1: betrothed to Henry and they're both like nineteen at this point,
36:09
Speaker 1: and you know, it's expected that this is going to
36:14
Speaker 1: be like a popular union because of who's who. But
36:18
Speaker 1: you know, again the Catholic Protestant divide, which I know
36:21
Speaker 1: this may shock you cost some unrest, you know, a
36:27
Speaker 1: little bit of a controversy, and people were well mad
36:33
Speaker 1: that thought this union effectively. And it was assumed that
36:37
Speaker 1: because Margot, being the woman in this scenario, would convert
36:41
Speaker 1: to her husband's religion, thus tainting the royal family or something.
36:49
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, See, Margot is proper Catholic, and she
36:55
Speaker 1: saw conversion as effectively sending herself up for eternal damnation.
37:00
Speaker 1: And she wasn't already super queno marrying him, you know,
37:04
Speaker 1: one for religious reasons into because he was boring as fuck.
37:10
Speaker 1: You know, it didn't matter anyway, because she's a princess.
37:14
Speaker 1: She exists as a political pawn to make build and
37:18
Speaker 1: strengthens alliances, and as such she has to do what
37:24
Speaker 1: she's told. She has to marry him, like that's the
37:26
Speaker 1: beyond and end all the situation. But what Catherine de
37:31
Speaker 1: Medici does is she forces in Ley of Navarre to convert.
37:39
Speaker 1: So he is forced to convert to Catholicism even though
37:43
Speaker 1: he's a Protestant, like it's the situation. But this happens
37:48
Speaker 1: like a little bit later on. I'm skipping ahead a bit,
37:51
Speaker 1: so this is it's a weird wedding at the best
37:55
Speaker 1: of times. The service is unusual because pop Grit the
38:00
Speaker 1: thirteenth he refuses to provide a dispensation for the wedding,
38:06
Speaker 1: like just straight up, He's like, no, I'm not allowing
38:09
Speaker 1: this to happen one way or the other. And it
38:11
Speaker 1: just gets weirder from here because Rie of Navarre is
38:16
Speaker 1: not Catholic. He's not even allowed to step foot in
38:20
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame cathedral, so before he converts, and what
38:24
Speaker 1: happens is Henry of Anjou. You know, the brother that
38:29
Speaker 1: she fucking hates has to stand in for him. Now, Marge,
38:35
Speaker 1: by proxy is not unusual at the time, but having
38:40
Speaker 1: your brother stand in for your husband in a wedding ceremony,
38:46
Speaker 1: it's no, no, it's it's weird. Okay, it's weird. And
38:52
Speaker 1: actually the mother of the groom isn't that the wedding
38:55
Speaker 1: because she's dead. So they are engaged in like April,
39:00
Speaker 1: and then in June, Jean, Henry of Navarre's mother dies
39:06
Speaker 1: out shopping for a wedding outfit. Now, the rumor is
39:12
Speaker 1: that because you know she had insulted Catherine by stealing
39:16
Speaker 1: backer son and stealing Catherine's money to do it, that
39:21
Speaker 1: you know, Katherin de Medici held a fucking grudge and
39:25
Speaker 1: had her poisoned by way of gloves. So of course,
39:32
Speaker 1: you know you have to wear your gloves. They're, you know,
39:34
Speaker 1: part of your royal attire. So the theory goes that
39:39
Speaker 1: the gloves were lined with poison and when she tried
39:41
Speaker 1: them on dead that's a theory anyway, So she dies
39:47
Speaker 1: and because she's already like engaged to him, Margot becomes
39:52
Speaker 1: Queen of Navarre when Jean dies. Now in August eighteenth
39:59
Speaker 1: of August fifteen seventy two at the Notre Dame Cathedral,
40:02
Speaker 1: Margot and Henry of Navarre are married. And now this
40:09
Speaker 1: is going to shock you. There's propaganda again what now,
40:14
Speaker 1: I know you are surprised at this information. So there's
40:19
Speaker 1: this whisper going round that Charles the Ninth forces this marriage,
40:25
Speaker 1: which honestly load of bollocks because you know, he wanted
40:29
Speaker 1: an alliance and it was safer for everybody for this
40:32
Speaker 1: to be in place, Like it made sense. This was
40:34
Speaker 1: a reasonable like union to have. But there's this theory
40:40
Speaker 1: that he like forced her head down to nod, which
40:44
Speaker 1: didn't happen. It didn't happen. But yeah, it's again. People
40:51
Speaker 1: are just mad about it because religious shit, and it
40:56
Speaker 1: almost becomes a red wedding situation too many games with
41:00
Speaker 1: owned references in this actually, So the celebrations last for
41:05
Speaker 1: a couple of days, because that's how like royal weddings work.
41:09
Speaker 1: Like celebrations last for a period of time, and a
41:12
Speaker 1: lot of prominent hugionals they had come to Paris to
41:17
Speaker 1: celebrate this because for them this is a big step
41:20
Speaker 1: up because their Protestant king or a Protestant king is marrying,
41:26
Speaker 1: you know, the Catholic Princess of France, and so they're
41:30
Speaker 1: seeing this as a big win. And again they're assuming
41:33
Speaker 1: Margo's going to convert. So there's this whole sort of
41:38
Speaker 1: idea happening. And a few days in a few days
41:43
Speaker 1: after the marriage, there was the Saint Bartholomew's Day massacre.
41:49
Speaker 1: And because again a lot of these high ranking Usionals
41:52
Speaker 1: were in Paris, you know, for the wedding, for the celebrations,
41:58
Speaker 1: they're assassinated on the orders of one Catherine da Medici.
42:07
Speaker 1: So Catherine orders the assassination of this high ranking Protestant
42:12
Speaker 1: general and frames the huge notes. She frames the Protestants.
42:18
Speaker 1: But the plot thickens because how she does this is
42:23
Speaker 1: she also makes it seem like the huge notes the
42:27
Speaker 1: Protestants we're trying to frame her. So it's this sort
42:33
Speaker 1: of sticky, twisted just not of web. It just it's complicated.
42:42
Speaker 1: It's just in case anything does come back to her.
42:45
Speaker 1: She's made it look as if they're framing her. I mean,
42:48
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's a smart plan and it worked
42:51
Speaker 1: like it did work. Now Margot was actually sitting with
42:58
Speaker 1: a bunch of these higher thinking Protestants, like she was
43:02
Speaker 1: spending time with them when this assassination occurred, so she
43:06
Speaker 1: knew a bunch of them weren't involved. So because she
43:10
Speaker 1: was with so many of them during the time where
43:13
Speaker 1: the attack occurred, she knew they weren't part of this.
43:19
Speaker 1: And she actually has the only eyewitness account of the
43:23
Speaker 1: family that she writes in her memoirs about this happening.
43:27
Speaker 1: And so when the massacre happens, when you know, this
43:32
Speaker 1: uproar because the Protestants did this thing, and you know
43:37
Speaker 1: they're blaming, you know, the Queen Catherine de Medici. You
43:40
Speaker 1: know they must be stopped. And you know, when there's
43:43
Speaker 1: sort of religious tension, when there were sectarianism in any
43:46
Speaker 1: sort of society, they just are waiting for a spark
43:52
Speaker 1: to ignite the explosion, you know what I mean. They
43:55
Speaker 1: are ready to cause chaos. And that's what I here.
44:02
Speaker 1: But Margot, she is in her beds one night, I
44:08
Speaker 1: think it's the day of sort of the massacre, and
44:12
Speaker 1: this usually not comes stumbling into her room, which first
44:15
Speaker 1: of all, big no, no, you do not enter, you know,
44:18
Speaker 1: Queen slash Princess's room uninvited, especially random man. No, that
44:25
Speaker 1: is a big no no, and being the defiant queen
44:31
Speaker 1: that she is, she like leaps out of bed, kind
44:35
Speaker 1: of blurry eyed, sees what's going on, sees this wounded dude, him,
44:40
Speaker 1: as far as we can tell, doesn't know or doesn't
44:44
Speaker 1: know that well, and sees that he's been chased by
44:46
Speaker 1: like palace guards and archers and all this shit, and
44:50
Speaker 1: being the defiant bitch that she is, she jumps between
44:55
Speaker 1: him and the guards and she's like, don't you fucking
44:57
Speaker 1: touch it him, Not a chance, And so she basically
45:01
Speaker 1: saves his life and she tends to his wounds, and
45:04
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where she is bringing huge
45:08
Speaker 1: nuts into her rooms, her areas in the castle because
45:11
Speaker 1: the guards can't cross her. They can't step in and
45:14
Speaker 1: fuck us up. You can't, you know, do anything to
45:17
Speaker 1: the king's sister. And so she saves just like a
45:21
Speaker 1: bunch of lives because you know, she doesn't want a
45:25
Speaker 1: mass murder like on her doorstep, and she doesn't want
45:29
Speaker 1: involvement in it. But she feels that she's partly to
45:33
Speaker 1: blame for it again because she's grown up with trauma
45:39
Speaker 1: and she's doing her best to just well protect these
45:45
Speaker 1: guys and the same Birtholomy's massacred because it happens on Sat.
45:51
Speaker 1: Perth Oleomy's day. For the record, it is huge, like
45:56
Speaker 1: it starts in Paris, but then it spreads all over
46:00
Speaker 1: and it is you know, from the main city out
46:03
Speaker 1: to the countryside and depending on the numbers, like it's
46:08
Speaker 1: so fuzzy, like there's no definite sort of information, like
46:13
Speaker 1: from low to high. The guestimations are between five thousand
46:17
Speaker 1: and thirty thousand Protestants are killed, and this its fucks
46:22
Speaker 1: things up for them really because it tips the scales.
46:27
Speaker 1: There are so many prominent players assassinated that the huge
46:32
Speaker 1: ut cause is just ballocked up. And not only do
46:37
Speaker 1: you have like these main political figures just wiped out,
46:41
Speaker 1: you have this mass we conversion happening. So people are
46:46
Speaker 1: we converting from Prosonism, Calvinism, huge and nuts whatever. They
46:51
Speaker 1: are converting back to Catholicism, you know, to save their
46:56
Speaker 1: skins if nothing else, even though can version for a
47:00
Speaker 1: lot of people, like I said before, it's selling your soul.
47:04
Speaker 1: It's eternal damnation. You're going to burn and hell, like
47:10
Speaker 1: that's what they think. They've signed up for it because
47:13
Speaker 1: they're just trying to survive and this is again where
47:22
Speaker 1: Henry of Navarre, this is where he converts because Katherin
47:25
Speaker 1: Debritci's like, you know, you want to survive, You're going
47:27
Speaker 1: to convert. So he does. But then she goes to
47:33
Speaker 1: Margot and she proposes an anoment of the marriage. You know,
47:38
Speaker 1: I'll look at the civil unrest, all of the issues.
47:42
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost as if she had planned this
47:45
Speaker 1: in advance in order to remove you know, detractors and issues,
47:52
Speaker 1: you know, enemies possibly who could say me, I'm saying
47:57
Speaker 1: it she was involved and knowing what's happened and feeling
48:02
Speaker 1: the way she's feeling. Margo says, fuck this for a
48:05
Speaker 1: game of soldiers. She's going to protect her husband because
48:10
Speaker 1: as far as she's concerned, they have wed under the
48:12
Speaker 1: eyes of God, and so she has a jury. She's
48:16
Speaker 1: again Propacatholic, well religious, and so in order to save
48:20
Speaker 1: her husband's life because she feels again responsible for the
48:25
Speaker 1: mass murder of all of these people, that she tells
48:31
Speaker 1: her mother that they cannot innul the marriage because you know,
48:37
Speaker 1: she is his wife in every way. Now, chances are,
48:41
Speaker 1: as far as we can tell from you know, all
48:45
Speaker 1: of the history, they hadn't consummated the marriage yet, but
48:49
Speaker 1: she had told her mother that to basically, you know,
48:54
Speaker 1: put him under her protection. But what's kind of sad
48:57
Speaker 1: and is Henri of Navarre never knew she did this
49:04
Speaker 1: like throughout their time together. I mean, I feel like
49:07
Speaker 1: it could have helped things later on if we had
49:09
Speaker 1: the information. But nah, So anyway, but yeah, Margot, she
49:17
Speaker 1: says she shagged Henrie of Navarre to save his life.
49:20
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the worst lie one could make
49:23
Speaker 1: up in life. Now, with Henry of Navarre converting and
49:28
Speaker 1: effectively saved by Margot, he becomes an ally to the
49:32
Speaker 1: French crown and he is sent away to trash rebellions
49:36
Speaker 1: and whatnot, leaving the nineteen year old Queen Margot at
49:40
Speaker 1: home at court. And so she creates the Muses of Paris.
49:46
Speaker 1: So she has a bunch of high class ladies just
49:49
Speaker 1: being fabulous and stylish and congregating with great thinkers and
49:53
Speaker 1: artists of the day. And they're just again, they're bright
49:56
Speaker 1: young things. They're having a fabulous time. And she is
50:00
Speaker 1: establishing salons and legit living her best life, having the
50:06
Speaker 1: time of her life even mm hmm a love and
50:12
Speaker 1: yet well, you know, Innry's away, my goo will play
50:17
Speaker 1: and she meets at one of her Sareis Joseph de Bonaface,
50:23
Speaker 1: who was in his late thirties, another lady's man, man's man,
50:29
Speaker 1: man about town, and he was her by which I
50:33
Speaker 1: mean he's pushing forty and she's a fucking teenager. I
50:37
Speaker 1: don't care who you are. It's creepy as fuck. I
50:40
Speaker 1: don't care where era you're in. It's creepy as fuck.
50:43
Speaker 1: Like I don't care el I will say it, eh
50:49
Speaker 1: as I went very valid girl there. I don't know
50:52
Speaker 1: where that came from, but it's happened now and we
50:54
Speaker 1: all have to accept it. So he is a pal
50:57
Speaker 1: of her wee brother, Francis, And you're thinking, Francis her brother,
51:01
Speaker 1: isn't he dead? Well, okay, so young Francis here is
51:05
Speaker 1: originally Hercule or Hercules. I'm not entirely sure which it is,
51:10
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go with Hercule. And he changes his
51:13
Speaker 1: name to Francis for reasons. But anyway, they're friends and
51:21
Speaker 1: possibly lovers, and she starts up. I mean, I don't
51:26
Speaker 1: want to call it an affair, because you know, it's
51:29
Speaker 1: a creepy older man with a teenage girl and it
51:32
Speaker 1: just feels weird. It feels weird, but yeah, stuff happens
51:38
Speaker 1: there anyway. And when Marco is twenty, King Charles ninth,
51:47
Speaker 1: his health is well deteriorating is probably the best way
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Speaker 1: to go, because his mental state is not great and
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Speaker 1: he gets very very sick. And during this time, in
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Speaker 1: order to keep Henry of Anjou, you know, not being
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Speaker 1: an arsehole, he gets elected King of Poland because Henry
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Speaker 1: of Anjou he is very rigid, very strict in his
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Speaker 1: particular belief system, and he's dealing with these uprisings in
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Speaker 1: Poland because you know, he has a thing for suppressing
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Speaker 1: Protestant worship, doing what he does best, you know, be
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Speaker 1: an absolute dick. He is cashing it all over the shop.
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Speaker 1: And this leads to a plot by sort of the malcontent,
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Speaker 1: who are these moderate Catholic lords, and they have this
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Speaker 1: plan to put Francois of Anson on the French throne,
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Speaker 1: so younger brother Francis, because they're like, yeah, we can't
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Speaker 1: be dealing with Charles because he's like mentally like fearing
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Speaker 1: away and Henry over there he's just being himself, an
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Speaker 1: absolute piece of shit, and so they're like, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: Francois of Alan Solon, he is a bit more child
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Speaker 1: He's a bit more lenient when it comes to sort
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Speaker 1: of religious differences, and his willingness to compromise and religious
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Speaker 1: matters makes him like a really good option because a
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Speaker 1: lot of people are just tired of bloodshed, like they're
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Speaker 1: sick of violence and they want it to stop, you know,
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Speaker 1: and he seems like a really good deal. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: Francois and en Lee of Navarre and the Catholics, the
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Speaker 1: moderate Catholics, the reasonable Catholics, people who are sick of fighting,
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Speaker 1: and the Protestants are arranging orchestrating planning a coup detta.
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Speaker 1: They're planning a coup to use so the throne, to
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Speaker 1: put Francis in the throne and get rid of Henry
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Speaker 1: the third. And of course Margo is about to stick
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Speaker 1: her or in and get involved. Now. It's this episode
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Speaker 1: has been going on a little bit longer than I expected.
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Speaker 1: This is going to end up being a two parter
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Speaker 1: because I was not expecting to talk this much. My goodness,
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Speaker 1: I had a lot of notes. I'm sorry, and there's
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Speaker 1: just so much. It's so much. I could easily talk
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Speaker 1: about Queen Margo for like another eight or nine episodes.
54:32
Speaker 1: I could easily do it, but I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: do that because there's other people I want to talk about.
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Speaker 1: But I am going to finish this episode here and
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Speaker 1: we will start with the Coup next time. I really
54:43
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting us to get through this so quickly, but
54:46
Speaker 1: here we are. Yay, yikes, wow, Okay. So you can
54:51
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Speaker 1: see my live show. It would be great to see you.
55:07
Speaker 1: And recommendations. Oh my goodness, I am going to suggest
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Speaker 1: that you read Lessons in Chemistry. Did I recommend that before?
55:19
Speaker 1: Maybe I did? Either way, read it. It's good fun.
55:22
Speaker 1: I say good fun. It's but intense in places, but
55:25
Speaker 1: it's a good read for lessening. No more Christmas music.
55:31
Speaker 1: I think we're done with it. But you know what
55:35
Speaker 1: I've been listening to a lot of recently is I
55:37
Speaker 1: started listening to The Midnight's album by Taylor Swift Again.
55:41
Speaker 1: I was just in the Midport. You know, you should
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Speaker 1: definitely do that and for watching ooh, decisions, decisions, Oh see,
55:52
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Echo yet, but I hear it's amazing.
55:55
Speaker 1: I hear it's amazing. Oh that feels ablest. It does,
55:58
Speaker 1: doesn't it, you know? But from what I have been told,
56:01
Speaker 1: it's meant to be an amazing show, so I'd say
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Speaker 1: definitely give that a go. And yeah, that is the
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Speaker 1: end of today's episode, and I am going to bid
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Speaker 1: you fare whill and I will chat to you next time.
56:15
Speaker 1: I really wasn't expecting this to be a two parter.
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Speaker 1: I really wasn't. I was really hoping this was just
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Speaker 1: going to be one. But then I realized just how
56:22
Speaker 1: much I was talking for and I would like to
56:24
Speaker 1: formally apologize for that. I think as well. I'm not
56:28
Speaker 1: quite speaking properly. I'm not quite there yet. It's again
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Speaker 1: just the issues are back, but it's fine and we
56:36
Speaker 1: will get through this together. But adios A way to
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