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Patriots Unfiltered 2/20: NFL Combine Preview, Roster Building, Offseason Chats · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. The gang's all here. We got Alex Dus,
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  Speaker 2: Paul Evan, myself in the booth, and it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a free form Thursday. I think more of
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  Speaker 2: an off season. I mean, like we're I mean, we're
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  Speaker 2: getting ready for the Combine next week. So next week
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  Speaker 2: it'll be all Combine all the time. But this week,
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  Speaker 2: you know, news is kind of slow. There's nothing really new.
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  Speaker 2: Couple signings Ben Brown and uh Jacob's trade Jacobs, you know,
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  Speaker 2: lower level signings. I'd say, uh, so that's that's guys
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  Speaker 2: they let they let.
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  Speaker 3: Go, which is funny the timeliness of it. Someone asked
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  Speaker 3: us on Tuesday, was that you I wasn't a caller.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I said, I said, what do you think the
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  Speaker 6: timing is? When they starting to start like some roster
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  Speaker 6: that's all you're getting on? Yeah, I just thought it
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  Speaker 6: was a listeners random callar So I heard somebody say
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  Speaker 6: fair on one of your shows, Paul, I forget who
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  Speaker 6: it was.
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  Speaker 2: That the release of Taki Talkie is show that Rabel
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  Speaker 2: now has complete control of this roster. And because Taki
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  Speaker 2: Taki was an Elliott Wolf guy and he's gone now,
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  Speaker 2: so that shows that Rabel's in charge.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, I mean I think that's reading a lot into it.
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  Speaker 6: He was hurt a lot, He couldn't really get on
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  Speaker 6: the field. Even when he was, he didn't really make
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  Speaker 6: much of an impact for a linebacker group that you
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  Speaker 6: really needed a guy to make an impact in.
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  Speaker 3: So I was surprised to read it he had four starts, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: That much?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he played what ten or eleven games? Eleven games,
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  Speaker 2: twenty tackles.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a deuce on that. On the whole, reading
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  Speaker 4: too much into it, like so is Jeremiah Farms. That's
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  Speaker 4: a Rabel guy, you know, all of a sudden, right,
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  Speaker 4: so like they gave him an extension and that like
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  Speaker 4: what relationship would Rabel have with Jeremiah Farms to this point?
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  Speaker 4: So I don't I don't think it's that deep. Taki Taki,
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say, all right, I mean.
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  Speaker 6: It's just not a great ending. And these were all
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  Speaker 6: one year deals, but Taki Taki was the only two
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  Speaker 6: year deal. A lot of these external free agents they
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  Speaker 6: signed last year, but I mean a Corps four didn't
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  Speaker 6: finish the year with the team. Leverett didn' finish the
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  Speaker 6: year with the team. kJ Osborne didn't finish the year
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  Speaker 6: with the team. Did well, he was an internal guy,
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  Speaker 6: but still didn't finish the year with the team. Armand Watts,
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure what happened to him. I think he
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  Speaker 6: was still on the roster but was not there.
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  Speaker 8: He was off.
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  Speaker 6: And now Taki Taki makes another one of those external
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  Speaker 6: free agents last year that they just didn't hit on.
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  Speaker 6: So it's it underscores what they need to do this year,
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  Speaker 6: I think.
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  Speaker 2: Which is I think he's that's just the first thing
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  Speaker 2: to happen. There's gonna be a lot of turnover on
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  Speaker 2: this roster, don't you think.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think any of them are like Elliott's guys either.
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  Speaker 9: I think it's just like anyone they could find to
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  Speaker 9: patch some holes last year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but eternal they don't have a ton of guys
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  Speaker 3: under contract. Yeah, Like, isn't it like in the fifties?
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  Speaker 5: But what do you mean the Patriots?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the roster they're pretty high.
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  Speaker 6: Actually, I mean that was that I thought it was
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  Speaker 6: like my own thing was like they're in the mid forties.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, now they're probably a few higher. But I
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  Speaker 6: mean i'd say in the spectrum of when the season
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  Speaker 6: and ended, guys that were under contract for this year,
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  Speaker 6: they were on the higher end.
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  Speaker 3: Of of I thought.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe like tenth.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, not like you know, top five. Well, I
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  Speaker 6: mean we had we did a radio Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 6: we did a show. I remember Paul bringing that up
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  Speaker 6: and you being like do you like that? And I
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  Speaker 6: said no. But I would still say guys like Ben Brown,
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  Speaker 6: Trade Jacobs, certainly they were not the answer last year,
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  Speaker 6: but you poured a lot into those guys, and I
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  Speaker 6: think right now everyone's questioning what was the coaching like
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  Speaker 6: and so you invested some time in those players and
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  Speaker 6: with how hard it is to find tackles and tackle bodies,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm fine. And of course they're exclusive rights free agents.
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  Speaker 6: It's not like a huge They couldn't really make right
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  Speaker 6: unless they asked them, if they asked you to.
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  Speaker 4: Unless they were as they don't usually carry a ton
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  Speaker 4: of guaranteed money on those contracts either. So I almost
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  Speaker 4: look at Jacobs and Ben Brown as as camp tryout
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  Speaker 4: type contracts that we're going to keep them on the
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  Speaker 4: team and they'll compete in the summer. But there's no
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  Speaker 4: guarantee that those two guys are going to be on
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  Speaker 4: the roster.
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  Speaker 5: But I like Ben Brown's size.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you got to give Ben Brown credit for
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  Speaker 6: what he did coming in here out of nowhere, starting
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  Speaker 6: really providing some stability at that position. And I don't
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  Speaker 6: know what their ceilings are, but.
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  Speaker 2: I just think you need guys, and you need guys
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  Speaker 2: on the lower end of the roster too.
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  Speaker 8: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So if you identify a guy, yeah, in a pinch,
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  Speaker 2: we know he can come in. There's value there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And is it I mean, is it a disaster of
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  Speaker 6: trade Jacobs ends up being your third tackle?
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  Speaker 5: This year and he you know, maybe sparks a.
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  Speaker 6: Little something in him playing with a new coaching staff
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  Speaker 6: that you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, you got to take swings like this.
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  Speaker 6: So it's not a huge deal, but good depth to
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  Speaker 6: have and like Evan said, some training camp guys just
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  Speaker 6: to have in the mix.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Ben Brown showed that he's a serviceable
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  Speaker 4: center when called upon. I don't know if I would
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  Speaker 4: put all my eggs in that basket, but yeah, he
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  Speaker 4: was decent for them at times last year, and I
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  Speaker 4: thought that there was something to work with there. Trade
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  Speaker 4: Jacobs I didn't feel as strongly about in terms of
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  Speaker 4: him being you know, a long term answer at right tackle.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought Ben Brown was was solid for most
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  Speaker 4: of the time that he played, and especially given the
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  Speaker 4: circumstances that he came in you know, mid season and
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  Speaker 4: had to learn it on the fly and everything like that.
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  Speaker 4: So with David Andrews's situation, we don't know if he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be healthy enough to play and what the
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  Speaker 4: future holds for him. And now you have Ben Brown,
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  Speaker 4: you have Cold Strange still under contract, Andrew the ghost,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe you have some center depth there.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. So next week, as I mentioned, is the Combine. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: we'll be there with Bells on h Elliott will talk,
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  Speaker 2: Vrabel will talk. We'll cover both of those podium press
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  Speaker 2: conferences live on pages dot com, and we'll have a
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  Speaker 2: live Catch twenty two. Yes, what day? Will that be?
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  Speaker 4: Wednesday afternoon?
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday afternoon and Barth will be in attendance, So the
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  Speaker 2: two of you will be live from Indy on your
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  Speaker 2: Catch twenty two show. Now, will you be showing Bartha
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  Speaker 2: around town? Kind of?
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  Speaker 4: I'll try him, I'll try.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna be video kid in Disney.
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  Speaker 4: World, I know, I know. I just remember how he
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  Speaker 4: was when we went to the Shrine.
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  Speaker 2: Bowl, you know, a little kids Mickey Mouse.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, last year you might have been with us at
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  Speaker 4: this point of the night. But we were walking down
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  Speaker 4: the street and Nicosario walked right by us. And now
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  Speaker 4: I know if that happens again, like Barth is going
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  Speaker 4: to be like do you see who?
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  Speaker 10: Was?
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  Speaker 4: Like, Yeah, that's that's kind of what happens here. It's
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  Speaker 4: the cool part of the combine. You're just walking around
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  Speaker 4: and you might bump into Andy Reid like out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Andy Reid's being golf carted through the convention center.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe aund.
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  Speaker 5: He wasn't walking when I saw him.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna ride, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I used to bump into Andy Reid from time
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  Speaker 3: to time in various states of indebriation.
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  Speaker 2: At the at the rubber grill. That's still there.
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  Speaker 3: It is still there.
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  Speaker 5: It is ye haven't posts up there.
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  Speaker 6: We watch the the workouts at night. That yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 6: that's the big part. I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 6: get excited about.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we do the interviews and.
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  Speaker 8: The fans do.
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  Speaker 6: That's I mean, that's that's what the real like. You know,
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  Speaker 6: nobody cares like I mean, yeah, there's stories there that
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  Speaker 6: you'll hear.
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  Speaker 5: On the interview podiums. But you want to see how
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  Speaker 5: long L Campbell's arms are.
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  Speaker 3: The fans probably a lot more interested in that than
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  Speaker 3: the teams are.
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  Speaker 6: I think in a lot of these, you know, second tier,
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  Speaker 6: third tier receivers, how fast they run. You know some
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  Speaker 6: of those guys that could suddenly really spark you know,
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  Speaker 6: Isaiah Bond's name, I mentioned a couple of times he
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  Speaker 6: runs like lightning. It that it's probably gonna prove his
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  Speaker 6: draft stock a little bit. A number of those guys,
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  Speaker 6: I think, you know, defensive linemen, how big are they
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  Speaker 6: really how long? Are a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 6: arm lengths And that's always something that's interesting from the comment.
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  Speaker 4: But I would look out for Teses Johnson from Oregon.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's gonna have a real chance to break
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  Speaker 4: the forty record this year. Oh yeah, and he's five nine,
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty pounds. What's the current record for
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  Speaker 4: by xavior Worthy last year? So I think he's going
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  Speaker 4: to have a real chance to to break it just
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  Speaker 4: based off of how fast he moves on tape. I
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  Speaker 4: think he's going to have a low four two times?
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  Speaker 2: Is there, like you know, twenty years ago, twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years ago, maybe the recording methods for the forty wasn't
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  Speaker 2: as accurate as they are now. Is there a way
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  Speaker 2: to go back on tape and re re time these people?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe? I don't know. I now, you know a lot
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  Speaker 4: of scouts still use hand times because when they go
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  Speaker 4: to pro days, they want to have it be consistent
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  Speaker 4: throughout their entire value.
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  Speaker 2: My fingers are better than the electronic one.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, they's not.
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  Speaker 2: That it's to get on a rant in a minute.
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  Speaker 3: But can I just say like it's just so it's
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  Speaker 3: the same, Yeah, I don't think it's because my time
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  Speaker 3: is more at your finger.
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  Speaker 2: Your finger isn't trying to help you. No, My point
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  Speaker 2: is your finger. You think your finger is consistent, It's
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  Speaker 2: not the same, right, every time you do it, you're
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  Speaker 2: doing it a little different.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I will say this that nowadays at these pro days,
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  Speaker 4: they all have the laser technology anyways, and they usually
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  Speaker 4: pass it around at the end. But the problem is
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  Speaker 4: is that you're worried that they might, you know, flub
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  Speaker 4: the numbers to make their guys look better. So you
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  Speaker 4: have to take it with a grain of salt. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like there's no like a couple of tenths
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  Speaker 4: of a second off this guys, you know, so you
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  Speaker 4: have to be worry about that. But I think the
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  Speaker 4: biggest thing with the combine now is obviously what happens
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  Speaker 4: away from the actual drills, which is the interviews in
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  Speaker 4: the medical rechecks like those are the biggest for teams.
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  Speaker 4: You know, a lot of teams don't even pay attention
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  Speaker 4: to what happens on the field anymore, but getting in
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  Speaker 4: that room for ten to fifteen minutes with the prospects
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  Speaker 4: is important. It kind of sets the stage for the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the process, and then obviously all the medicals
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  Speaker 4: is extremely important for a lot of guys, so that
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  Speaker 4: that's a big deal as well. And one of the
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  Speaker 4: reasons why it's still an indie is because of how
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  Speaker 4: streamlined the medical processes with the hospital being right down
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  Speaker 4: the street from the convention center, so a lot of
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  Speaker 4: that is a big part of this as well.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of places have hospitals down the
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  Speaker 2: street from convention centers, But that's besides the point anyway. No,
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  Speaker 2: but we were talking about technology, and we've talked a
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  Speaker 2: lot in this show about the chip and the ball
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  Speaker 2: and how they might be able to incorporate that and
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  Speaker 2: to first downs, and we learned that they are, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: you know, have been and continue to experiment with that,
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  Speaker 2: and so at some point we're going to see that.
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  Speaker 2: But I just have to take a slight detour about baseball.
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  Speaker 2: They announced that, I think starting today in the majors,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to start experimenting with, you know, automated balls
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  Speaker 2: and strikes. And the technology has been there for years,
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  Speaker 2: they've used it in the minors before, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: according to one of your guys, Tony, it works. It works,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and of course, Felger's dead set against it.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Part of the great thing about baseball is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: arguing about balls and strikes and being mad about that.
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  Speaker 2: And I couldn't agree disagree more. I just couldn't disagree.
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  Speaker 2: Balls and strikes should be a matter of fact, not
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  Speaker 2: a matter of opinion. Nothing makes me more that a
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  Speaker 2: pitcher throws a perfect you know, pitch on strike two
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  Speaker 2: to get like Aaron Judge out and he doesn't get
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  Speaker 2: rewarded because the umpire is just not calling it right
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  Speaker 2: that day. If you have the technology and it works,
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  Speaker 2: use it all the time. They've got this FORACCTA plan
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  Speaker 2: about you get two challenges and it's like all these
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  Speaker 2: different things. It's ridiculous. The only reason the umpire needs
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  Speaker 2: to be back there is to call violations and outsafe
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  Speaker 2: at home plate. You don't need them to call balls
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  Speaker 2: and strikes anymore. Like, just just use it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: Just replace the players too.
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  Speaker 4: How does.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to replace? You know, not having this guy
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  Speaker 2: called balls and strikes is not like, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just bust because you're passionate about it.
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  Speaker 2: I know I've always been that way. It's like, I
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  Speaker 2: just can't stand at these guys the way they call
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  Speaker 2: balls and strikes. And some are really good. But if
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  Speaker 2: you have this technology, just use it all the time,
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  Speaker 2: no challenge. It's it's a ball or a strike. It's
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  Speaker 2: a matter of fact, it's not an opinion. How does
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  Speaker 2: it How does it adjust for I think every person?
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  Speaker 2: This is at the beginning of the year. Everybody gets measured.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because like Jose Altuve and Aaron Judge are very different.
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  Speaker 2: Strike gets up, you're punching his measurement and it automatically
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  Speaker 2: adjusts to alt because he's a hell of a different
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  Speaker 2: strike zone than Aaron Judge, obviously, And you know, you
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  Speaker 2: do it with a third party so that no one
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  Speaker 2: can like crouch Down and make their strikes on the
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  Speaker 2: smaller when they get you know, it's all done under
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  Speaker 2: the auspices of Major League Baseball, so no one can
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  Speaker 2: shoot on their strike zone.
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  Speaker 6: I was really good at walking, I mean, but doesn't
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  Speaker 6: Barth two Barth crouch down.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know about him, but I was very Eddie Goodell.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't hit, so I just would like, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Please hit me, please hit me.
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  Speaker 4: Just wear it.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think, Paul you're you're a Hall of
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  Speaker 5: Fame baseball pitch.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a big replay guy. You guys know that.
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  Speaker 3: But if you want to do if you want to
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  Speaker 3: streamline balls and strikes, but I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Saying no replay. There's no replay. It's just a striker
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  Speaker 2: or a ball according to the machine.
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  Speaker 9: Like in tennis, it's on the broadcast anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Tennis, yeah, I don't think that's.
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  Speaker 2: Mostly in more and more tennis events, there are no
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  Speaker 2: more line judges. You don't need them. They don't have them.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: They're gone. The people are gone.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: They have no problem with that. We want to do that.
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: Do you have any ideas?
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know the umpire strike three, you know,
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: he does a thing like would you just have like
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: a sign that would be like start.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just a noise. It's like beep
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: or boop or whatever it is. The ball is a
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: boop and strikes a beep. I don't know. You can
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: figure that out later, you know, Like, I don't care
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: how they do that. The point is there's technology to
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: get that right. And like I said, nothing infuriates me
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: more either way. When when an umpire is just not
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: calling balls and strikes correctly, and it happens way too often.
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: You know, It's the hardest sport to referee or umpire
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: because you're involved in every single play. You have to
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: make a decision, whereas other sports you're always just kind
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: of looking for violations instead of actively every single play
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: you've got to make a decision.
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: So right, I hear it, I hear it.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: I'm generally a refskuy. I like that element of you know,
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: human unknown that adds into any game that you don't
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: really realize is could go your way, it could go
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: against your way, but I like it.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: I'd be all right with just anything to take the
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: power out of the actual hands of the referees. I'm
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: for because I am kind of with Paul and all
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: of this in all sports. I think that all sports
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: are over officiated and are really just have an issue
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: with officiating across the board, whether it's basketball, hockey, football, whatever.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and at least that would be equitable. Yeah, Like,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: if it's the same for everybody, then there's there's no
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: more complaining, right, Yeah, So I don't have any issue
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: with your plan to eliminate more jobs.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: It'd be interesting on the TV.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: No, do you still need the empire for violations. You know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the guy's taking too long getting into the thing, or
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: there's a box or or whatever. There's still a lot
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: of things that you need a homeplate up for, including
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: you know, whether he's out or safe at home play,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: but you don't need him calling balls and strikes.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: I think it would be visually interesting though, for and
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: they have the you know sometimes the broadcast they have
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: the box.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: But if everyone was different and everything.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: To you know, instead of.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: Going from Aaron Judge where you can really see the
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: size of it to now a shorter guy. Now you
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: see how much more difficult it is for the pictures.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: Visually interesting instead of just a stationary rectangle that's always
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: the strike zone that doesn't really match up totally and
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: there's that element of not quite sure, you know, like
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: that so and then.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Listen, it's technology. There might be a day where it
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: breaks and you need the umpire to take over as
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a backup. So it's not a.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Break in.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: It's not eliminating jobs. It's it's making the game that
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: such a home making the game better. Anyway, it was
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: bregnant part.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Of that, Oh yeah, that's gonna say so as the manager.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, but we like that all right,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: So that I just had to take that detour. And
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's free form. If other people have
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: opinions on that or want a way in, you can
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: certainly do that.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I give a quick Baseball take sure, Baseball Take. So
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: the Red Sox have a very good new picture Garrett Crochet,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: who is making his spring training debut for the Red
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Sox on Sunday, and I said, oh, great, cool, give
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: me something to watch. Watch thirty minutes of Garrett Crochet
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: throw throw ninety eight mile an hour fastballs. It is
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: on nesson three sixty, which you have to pay thirty
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: dollars a month behind a paywall to watch it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And this is what you can get it on your
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: phone too.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: This is consistently why Baseball stakes, because they just can't
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: get out of their own way when it comes to market.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: It's just but it's baseball in general, like they're so
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: bad at marketing their product. Like this is the first
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: time the Red Sox have had like an actual ace
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: since probably like Chrisale was healthy and good and it's
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: been that's a long time. Yeah, and now they finally
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: have somebody that people are excited to see and I'm
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: not paying that.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: That's the red Sox fall.
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: They really did no marketing research to begin with, because
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: I don't know if this is still true, but at
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: the time when they launched that, you could pay for
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: the NHL's package and and the MLB's package and it
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: was still combined less than Yeah, so.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I just it's just crazy to me, like, just you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: you have somebody that's marketable, that's exciting that he's on
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: the team now that you made a big trade for
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: in the off season, that fans are on board with,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: and you put it behind a paywall service.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: They're in trouble. They're they're scrambling.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well and there yeah, from like.
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: The Yes Network, Nesson, like the big ones there.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: But even Nessen was forced to increase their rates, uh,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: you know and all that stuff, and that's that's that's
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: going to cost them in the long run. It's going
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: to cost them some people that weren't realizing that they
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: were playing paying extra forward in the first place, because
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: it just kind of comes like on your your basic tier,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: but now it doesn't. Now you have to specifically request it,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: like an OL cart kind.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Of Thingeah, speaking of money, there's a report out there
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: that the forty nine ers are selling like twenty percent
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: of the team to or thinking of selling it to
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: an investment.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Private equity that one of those things.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, that's worrowing trend because a lot of
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: these owners are looking for that liquidity for whatever reason.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: The valuations are high. So if you're both, if you
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: sell ten percent or twenty percent of your team, that's
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars cash that all
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: of a sudden you have access to. I get it,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: But I do worry about this trend because these equity firms,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: investment firms that are coming in, they're gonna looking for
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a return on their money, and but they're coming in
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: at a very high value, you know, valuation of the teams.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And there's going to be a lot of pressure on
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the league and these teams to increase the valuations of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the team, and that could cause bad decisions down the road,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that extra pressure to you know, return investment for these
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: you know, Johnny cum latelies, you know Robert Kraft at
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the time bought the Patriots for one hundred and seventy
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: some odd million dollars and now it's worth like seven billion.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: You're never going to see that kind of return again.
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: And pro sports teams are like the one asset that
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: it's such a privileged club, right, Like you can buy
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: as many as much jewelry, as many houses as you want.
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: There's only so many pro sports teams to go around.
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: So when these valuations keep getting higher and higher and higher,
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: like eventually the cost of just buying into that is
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: going to be way more than the teams are producing
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: in revenue. And then you're answering the shareholders, right, It's
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: like right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exact place that money. So I do worry about it,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: and I get it. It's it's easy money for the owners.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: You know, an owner like Spanos and you know with
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the Chargers, he's not as liquid as you know, Harris,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: you know Commanders or you know, Uh, So I worry
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: about what it could lead to.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Does that money get put back into football or is
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: that just money for like my operating I think they.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Can do whatever they want with it. I mean now
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I think some owners wanted to use it for like
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: you know, cash over cap that type of stuff. Because
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: these more and more teams, it's I think you have
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to spend over the cap now, you know, with that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: cash and kick it down the road. That's gonna have
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: to be how you're going to compete. And not every
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: owner has that available money. You know, you think they do,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: but they don't. You know, when when you know an
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: owner is said to be worth X billion of dollars,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: it's because of the valuation of their team and whatever
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: businesses they have. That doesn't mean they can just take
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: it out in an ATM. You know, you have to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: sell stuff to have that money. So it's and.
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: Then complicated the product to when like these football guys
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: like these like a Bill Belichick type, is he going
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: to make a decision because he's being pressured by some
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: dude in New York City in a high rise that
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: works for Goldman Sacks.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Like exactly because of optics? Yeah, yeah, so, I I mean,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: this stuff won't come to fruition for like, you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: another decade or so. But what the effects of this
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: stuff is, you know, we'll see. I think I'm a little.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Worried often ahead of the curve with these things.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm worried about my sport. You know me too, Yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I mean it's football first, but well, I.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Mean, are you you know, if the league were to
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: take a downturn and you know, not be the upward
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: trajectory that it's been for so long, does that then
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: start to rip some of these teams apart?
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: You know? Does that mean?
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Is that kind of what you're getting at with.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That type of stuff? People? It's not getting or the
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: evaluation is not increasing fast enough. You know, it doesn't
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: even have to mean that they're falling apart. It's like,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: but now I get it. They go in, there's a risk.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You know, there's no guarantees, it's just like any other investment.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: But still, you know.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: At what points does the NFL hit that wall where
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: we're everywhere, We're playing games in Brazil and Germany and
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: you know they've cut up the whole globe basically, at
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: what point do you I mean, you can only add
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: so many teams, you can only add so many games,
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: right or do they just does that?
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: What has to keep increasing?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I think they're gonna eventually have to implement max contracts,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: and I think that that's coming sooner rather than later,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: especially at the quarterback position like they have in the NBA,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: where you're making a percentage of the cap, you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: based off of your you know, value in terms of
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: performance and longevity in the league and all that that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It's a lot harder to do in the NFL with
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the size of the rosters in the NBA when you
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: have twelve people.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Right, So I would think that almost like the franchise tag,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: each position would have like a max contract to try
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: to curb the increase in the contract. Like, you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: there's some crazy numbers being thrown out there right now.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's my position, you know.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Like Jamar Chase making forty million dollars a year and
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: his next deal, or you know, T Higgins making thirty
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: five plus or whatever. And I think eventually that they're
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: going to have to.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: How granular do you get? Is an X is an
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: X A position versus Y receiver? You know, like how
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: how does that?
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: Usually?
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Like in the NBA, it's about longevity and production? You know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: like how many all NBA teams have you made? How
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: you know? How you know? What are your stats? Like
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: that sort of stuff. So it's it's more it's more easy,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: you know, cut and dry. Are you an All NBA
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: player or are you not?
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Well? I know, to me, that's the craziest thing in
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the NBA. I'd be I can become a max salary
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: player in the NBA by what the writers vote on. Yep,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that's crazy to me.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: It is crazy. It's it's how they do it. And
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: you know the other thing that they they do that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: important too, is is bird rights, where you know, if
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: you're a player that was drafted by the team, that
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: team and actually pay you more than the market can.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: So you know, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown are making
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: more from the Celtics than they could have made on
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: the open market because they want to increase like like
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: you know that is going to stay in Milwaukee for example. Whatever,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: the spirit of that is good.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, But I agree with you on
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the other thing. It opens the door for a lot
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: of impropriety. Like what's to stop a player to go
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to his media buddies and say, hey, you get me
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: on the first team all NBA, I'll make it worth
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: you a while.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, absolutely right, yep. So money, money, money, you know.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Like you said that, it's a lot easier in the
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: NBA because the rosters are smaller, but you know, the
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: numbers are higher though, Yeah, per person, like the Celtics
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: payrolls better, bigger than the Patriots.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, a lot of that's because.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: And there's more games. But still, you know, yeah, so
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I worried me a little bit, and that kind of
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: dovetails into the announce meant that the salary cap is
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: going up across the board. Still they don't have a
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: final number, but it's you know, it's a significant Yeah,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: it's a decent jump.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Which I guess I'm in the vast minority. I don't
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: think that's great news for us, for the Patriots. I
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: should say, Yeah, more teams, I get it into the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Athletic Jets writer us and we But the more teams
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: that have more money, that's more competition to sign players, right,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I mean the Patriots already had a tremendous amount of
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: cap space. How much more do you need?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Now, other teams that maybe had a modest amount of
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: cap space have a good amount.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah they can. They can jump into the sweepstakes for
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: a certain player where before they may not have, you know.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: But it's I mean, it's good news for the league
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: that the cap is rising. That much, And.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: There was another While you're thinking of that, there's.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Another factor I wanted to throw out there, and.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the international games, and you know where that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: was it? Yeah, how do you add more players? To
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: add more games? How to add more teams? You've got
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: to have more players. You need more talent because I
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: don't think there's enough talent in the world around to
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: like start supporting more teams. I really don't. I mean,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you look at the back end of these teams talent
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and it really drops off after a certain point. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: now you're going to add teams r I mean, you're
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: going to just thin out the talent pool even more.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: So.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: How does the NFL develop their players better? And what
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: impact is NIL having on this? Is this the right
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: thing that the league needs right now? Or is this
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: completely the wrong thing that the league needs right now?
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: With all these.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Players being able to jump multiple schools and you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I just wonder if the NFL is
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: going to continue to grow, they have to reinvest in
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: development of the players.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I agree with that, you always have to do that,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: but the talent pool itself just how many people are
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: good at playing football in the world, right now is
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a set number. You need to increase that number. I mean,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and that's part of the international strategy is get more
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: people all over the world to be playing American football.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: But that's going to take generations, right, I mean, seriously.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You're right, And the finite number that you talk about,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I have to think is is dwindling because of how
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: many fewer programs are there in high schools.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: You're losing football programs every year, and so that and
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: kids take our generations.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Kids don't care and listen. I'm all for flat football.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I love it gets more people at least throwing a
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: catching a football. But it's not getting people ready to
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: play football. It's a different game. It's a different game.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: It's not football.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: I I mean, I talk a lot to you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: my friend who's the trainer down with IMG Academy down there.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: We're talking because Sharon is starting up a youth football
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: league and he said, I wouldn't have my kid league.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: They're not ready yet. He said, I'd rather have them
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: play football, play flag football, learn how to run, learn
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: how to catch, you know, learn how to do those
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: things before you're ready for it. And I think some
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: kids already I think some kids you look at them,
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: they're at seventh grade and you're like, this kid's ready.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: He looks like he's already six feet tall, two hundred
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: and fifty pounds.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: But I don't know. I mean, I think there is
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: some some different opinions on that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: But you know, look at a football team. What's the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: percentage of players on a given football team who catch
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and throw? No, I know it's that's a good point too,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm not like, I mean, I obviously been around
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: youth football my whole life because my parents were so
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: heavily involved in it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: You don't have to play youth football to play in
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: high school, but the problem is if you're not playing,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: I think you're less likely to pick it up if
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: you haven't played. And yeah, you can play flag football
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and you know and deem it safer and even though
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: there's millions of concussions in that too, But that's another
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: argument for a different day. Once you get to high school.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: To Fred's point, that doesn't mean that you're ready to
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: play high school football, real football if you have If
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you don't have the interest in playing, that's the concern
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: me and Alex, I don't know if you have the
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: numbers you said that how many high schools that we're losing.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: There's a significant amount of programs every year.
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: That yeah, even back like when I worked at mass Live,
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: like got my start in high school sports, covering high
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: school football, and it felt like every year there were
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: teams consolidating or just losing programs, a.
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: Lot of it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of it, and some you know, some
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: teams even that have it, have such small rosters. You know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: there's twenty five guys in the roster.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Back in the day, you know, even Fred like we're
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: not that old quote unquote, we had freshman teams, JV teams,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: varsity teams. Yep, you know, full rosters and all of them.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: You almost never see it now, you know. And I
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: just get finished. I'm done with high school football now.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: With my kids. When my oldest started, they played a
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: full freshman schedule, full JV schedule, full of varsity schedule.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: There's only two years difference between my two kids. When
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: he just finished, when TJ just finished, they didn't have
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: any any freshman games at all because there's just not
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: enough teams around. Like Saint John's PREPP will have a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: freshman team yeah, because it's a huge high school, but
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: almost anybody else.
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and it feels like the real stars. This is
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: probably more of a Northeast thing, but like the real
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: stars are going into your IMG academies, And like Christian
• 32:16
  Speaker 9: Wilkins comes to mind, like he wasn't playing high school football.
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: He was going to I think Suffield Academy. So it's
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: like and even that's a small level school. So it's
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: just interesting.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: But if they're playing, I think they were losing players.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: And I think at some point the NFL is going
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: to feel that because the pool, the talent pool to
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: draw from, is going to be dwindling.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember him in lacrosse in California was a
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: big draw away. I just wonder around here, where are
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: the kids going? Are they going to other sports or
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: are they just not?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Their parents are a bit scared senseless. So it's it's
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: it's do you ever get you ever get a side? Well,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: well you don't your kids don't play football. You get
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: a sideways look from some parents you allow your kid
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: to play football, like it's you know, ten amounts of
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: child abuse.
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: The other end too, you probably have parents that are
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: so overbooking that their kids and everything they can do,
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: and then the kids are like, I'm exhausted, I don't
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: want to do it safe.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and a lot of kids are.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: You know, they're focusing on one sport a lot earlier
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: than they used to. You know, back in our day,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: you play, you had three season, you play three sports.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And now some kids are deciding at an earlier age,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to be a tennis player. I'm going
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: to just be a soccer player. I'm just gonna do hockey,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and and they and the sports allow for that because
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: they've got the clubs and you.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Can sport, you could play virtually sport.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because I feel like all of the
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: really good players in the NFL, all of them are
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: multi sport athletes, a lot of them. And it's funny, like,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: you know, Drake may played basketball and could have probably
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: walked onto North Carolina's basketball team too if you wanted to.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: And you know, I ended up just playing football there.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: But like he's a very good basketball player too, and
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: his brother is an even better basketball player, and like
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he would tell you that a lot of
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: the basketball stuff translates to football.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the coaches will tell you
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: encourage your kids to play as many sports as possible.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: And my kids were lucky they all their coaches did that. Yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: but some of these high school coaches they want you
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: you know what's really there's two sports, sorry, dude, one
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: is one is soccer and one is hockey. They're very
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: territorial and they want you to play their sport twelve
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: months a year, and they discourage players from doing it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: My kids were lucky. They never had any coaches in
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: any sport that they played that didn't want them to
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: play other sports. But that's a problem. And you do Evans, right.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: You hear them talk about how much playing different sports
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: help them develop in different ways, and I think that
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: that's going to diminish it also. I think that's a
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: huge issue.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So, you know, the NFL is king, but they have to,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: you know, worry about remaining king. And there's a lot
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: lot of things down the road that they should be
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: really paying attention to. And one of them is this
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: influx of private money coming in to give these owners liquidity,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and but there's gonna be demands that come with that.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Nothing's free in this world.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of their stresses on safety too,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: and trumpeting reduction and concussions, those kind of things. Those
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: seem like what the NFL is thinking about when they're targeting,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: you know, keeping fresh pool of players and young players excited,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: you know about playing. But I see a lot of
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: youth hockey refereeing.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: It's a machine. It's a money grab. There are so.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: Many showcases oh yeah, where you're like, these kids ain't
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: going anywhere and they're you know, you'll be in a
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: random march and there'll be a team up from Florida
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: of twelve year old It's like, what are you guys
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: doing here? Like you can't find some games down there?
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, I get playing year round and I smell.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: I know, right, they should not have the technology by
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: this point in Florida.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: But it's just I feel bad.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: For some of these families where I'm like, you're missing
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: school right now to like come play thousands of dollars.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: That Oh my god, I do I do my fridays
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: with finance. You know, when we go up in the
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Patriot Place every week, how astounded by how many youth
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: talkey teams are all every week and it's like it's
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: not a vacation week, the kids are out of school
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: all the time they're playing in tournament.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, I say with the referees where they're looking
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: for refs on you know, random Fridays, Mondays, you know
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: during work day, like the kids are getting pulled out
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: of school to go play in a crappy show.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: So how much if you were to do this like
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: full time, how much money could you may just being
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: a ref?
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: A youth ref Oh, I mean put it this way.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: They just say average sixty bucks a game. If you
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: want to just ref youth hockey. I mean, if you're
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: talking college.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: You know that's your couple hundred four or five hundred.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: But if you just want to.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: Be enough people like have a make a career, well,
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: I mean you know, I mean it's hard on your
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: it's hard.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Should start one of these for COCTA showcase programs and
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: get people paying thousands.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Of dollars club for every team.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just called your t You could take
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: that as the highest fore lovelman. You you start that,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I'll blog.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: It will create this will create this multi tiered university.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: We'll have the School of Cloud and Game.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Bring it.
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: But if you're saying not only is your kid gonna
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: learn the physical skills, he's gonna learn the mental skills too.
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: What who else can.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: The parents go to that? And then we have anybody,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: then we have we have, you know, a hockey school
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: for fairness and referee.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: So, I mean, you guys are joking, but like that's
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: what's popping up now, Like Level academy over here when
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: my sister lives in Weymouth, it's a it's basically a
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: boarding school with hockey now there there, I would say
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: more like it's a hockey team where hey, let's just
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: create a school.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: We got all these kids, Let's.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Not worry about, you know, having to put them on
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: con academy or some online thing. Let's have the ability
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: to just educate them right here. So those are popping up,
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: I mean mounting.
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: Schools pop up because popping over some dad wants to
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: start a school because he's pissed at some taking his
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: kid to start a whole school around them.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: But I would say, Fred, to your point, there are
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: guys that like they'll do like ten twelve games a weekend.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, and it's like, I mean, my body can't.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Hold up to that anymore.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: But I tried fell last week I did.
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: I did no.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I thought my knee like girls were making I had
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: to get there, so, you know, I.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: Had to like to play like suddenly reversed and it's
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: going this way, and it was kind of like a
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: you know, like kind of a fast break, and so
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: I had to kind of get on my horse a
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: little bit and I.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: Just I kind of got a dead wheel and went down.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: And then there's we're in overtime and there's a whole
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: like little girls team of twelve year olds all standing
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: on the board and they all started smiling and clapping
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: for me, and I like, I got you guys next,
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: I'm going to get you.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Even the sometimes just don't let it get no.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: Well, I myself because the coach, uh, you know, go
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: up talk to the coach before the game and uh
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: and she said.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Something about like, oh, if you fall, we'll pick you up.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, if I fall, like I was all
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: cocky about like I'm just leaving, I don't fall, like
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: and I felt so, yeah, that was pretty sort of
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl too. Yeah, but there's money to
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: be made if you can just sit out there in
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: ref games and sit at the red line and just
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: kind of call stuff and mail it in. I mean,
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: there are guys that are you know, making four or
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: five hundred bucks in a weekend just reughing. I mean
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: I think I did five games once in a weekend, and.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: It's it's a lot. It's a that's mentally a lot.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Just having to lock in and you know, follow a
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: youth game for yeah, fifty minutes and mentally exhausted.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: And you get the parents yelling that's a trip right there.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Like I heard one of those last week when I
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: was reughing. I guess dad in the stands like.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Usually trip right there.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: I'm like, they kind of collide in the middle of it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: There was no change in possession, Like, guy, you're gonna
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: rep this game will be all day, Like you call
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: every single time somebody collides or has a.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Collision, get Brian Morey to be oh his officials. He'd
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: stop the game and have a conversation.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: My god, he would, he would, he would, he would
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: shut everything down, and he'd be in the stands talking
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: to parents.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: I've reveled with guys like that, you know, and usually
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: it's fun with with the parents that get out.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: You know, rule out really unruly, unruly.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you yes, unruly because you know, you.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Just point out him and leave, and if they don't leave,
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: you start running the clock and you just sit there
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: and shame him and stare at him. And so I mean,
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: I've only seen that happen a couple of times, but it's, uh,
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: it's pretty fun making them do the walk of shame
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: out of the kids freaking hockey game because they can't
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: just shut their mouth.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: I'm worried about that. For me, I'm not gonna lie
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: no oh yeah, because like when we go to games,
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: like like Bruins games and stuff, I'm a chirper and
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I'm like, we're gonna have kids, and I'm gonna really like,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have Yeah.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I first started, so it was.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: So bad, was playing and that's so bad. This is
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: like one of those travel things that they had to
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: have the parents sign this thing that they were going
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to adhere to. So there was a special game where
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: his grandparents came down from New Hampshire.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: And his grandfather starts chirping and somebody I didn't sign.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I'm the grandfather. I didn't sign anything.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Grandparents can in particular be tough at those games.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't sign anything.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Got in a fight at one of my high school
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: all the time, Well there were I mean, I was
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: out of the game.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: Well that's what it was. It was, I was out
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: of the game. I broke my wrists were watching the game.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: There were a bunch of you know, Saturday, a bunch
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: of kids who probably.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Weren't even playing it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: I was a new plant where there was you didn't
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: break your wrist in that, No, no, no, I just
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: I was having to sit it out. And a period
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: ends and there are a bunch of kids, probably drinking,
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: you know, being loud. The ad had been telling them
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: to leave and talking to them, and you could tell
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: that there was some tension.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: I'm staying on my dad. End of the period. My
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: Dad's like, I'm gonna go get a drinker, go tobut whatever.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: He walks away, and I'm standing there waiting for the example,
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: and he go around around and all of a sudden
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: you just see like a tussle on the stands and
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: it's like one of them, you know, people falling and
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: like what's going on?
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: And then he's like, your dad just fought Andy Patterson.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Dude, Like what you know?
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: And so find out every time, Oh, my dad has
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: never even close, But then it was the you know,
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: the next day was fan fight Mars Hollist and victory.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: In the Middlesex Daily News.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: Poor Eddie du going up and you know, one of
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: these drunk kids.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: Being like if you I'm not leaving, Bubba, my dad's
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: like you're leaving.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: He marches out there and Eddie him, Eddie do.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: So then't mess with him.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: That's funny, good stuff.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: One very minor piece of news that I guess. They
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: announced that the Chargers will be the host team for
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: that Brazil game. Right, got eliminade Patriots?
• 42:17
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: So the only openings now is Madrid or London or
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: London Madrid?
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: You're coming?
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I was just going to begging, Yeah, would you be
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: in BRAZILO?
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't you be in Brazil?
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: Can we even leave the hotel in Brazil? Like would
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: it be worth it? Unless we were the host team
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: and doing events and stuff?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I definitely have across from Madrid myself.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Well, no matter where we go, we would do some
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: type of fan event. So home, you know, whether we're
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the home team or they are the one.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Like we had a lot of fun at that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: That was was Beatles. Yeah, that was epic. It's like
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: they sang a song for me. That's what they do. Driver,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: turn the car around.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: We're going back.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Literally literally they wanted to.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: He called me and wanted to come back a third time.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: They said, no, you don't need to. It's cleared out.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Crazy, it's and then are you going to do something
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: at the combine? Is that what the rumblings were, They're
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: gonna have a lazarre night.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Well, well, I was going to get to that email
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: at some point, you know. Sorry, so I'll get to
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: that at some point, but I do want it. There's
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of emails coming in a lot of emails
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: podcasts at Patriots dot Com. This one comes from Peter
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: and Cambridge. He says, for Matt, first of all, just
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: listen to the Tuesday podcast. In the outro included a
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Catch twenty two teaser, but it still says every Thursday,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: need a new cutoff for uh cut off season ones.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means for Evan. Relatedly, UH,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: is there any chance Catch twenty two can be on
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Tuesday or even Monday next season. I love your game takes,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: but by Thursday it's a little late. At that point,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I'm over and I really just want to look forward,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: not back. Probably not right.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Probably is the right answer. Monday's no chance, but I
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: hear what people are saying. But you know, we like
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: to talk about the previous game too, So it is
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: what it is.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And for Fred as an initialism, PU stinks it's true,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: admit it. In an early email after the name change,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: one person wrote in and called it PUP. You objected,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: but I assume they were saying Patriots Unfiltered Podcast. Pup
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: is a much better initialism football related and now that
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Megan has gone applies to the hosts I e. Physically
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: unable to play. Also, tell your IT department to redirect
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: emails to podcasts at Patriots dot com to podcasts. It's
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: easy to do, and you shouldn't be spending any time
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: or energy making sure your listeners spell. That's a of
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: all those things, that's the best idea that's going to
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: just make sure that they're all routed to the same
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: place with.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: All the podcast and make sure.
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well this makes sense because I feel like Fred
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: was marketing it with the wrong email initially, so and
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: that's why I.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Did with PU. That's my handle on Instagram, PU Deuce
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: I leaned into it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: You give us so many puns to us?
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it's fine. I think people have gotten
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: used to it, right.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you that's kind of funny.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Where did that come from?
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: Though? PU?
• 45:31
  Speaker 14: Like?
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: I know I'm saying, but like the the U stink
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: thing like PU you stink? Like, where did that come from?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Oh? What's the origins of the pu pu?
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: What does that stand for?
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: There was a way you look it up? Somebody uh
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Byron in Australia, speaking of international says he never misses
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: a podcast. Thank you. I know Evant isn't keen and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the rest of you bok and he spells bock b
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: a u l k. That must be the Australian way
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: of uh at the travel time. But it'd be incredible
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: to have the legendary Patriots down under and we wouldn't
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: disappoint a few extra shrimp on the barbie and some
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: bud Lights, the official beer of the Mighty Patriots. Please
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: let the dream come true. And finally, as they can
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: almost feel Paul saying in his head, get to the question.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: No, I'm all for the Australia trip. I'm with this guy.
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: Me and Paul are the only ones I.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Think I'm gonna go. No, but I would like to
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: go to Australia. Times.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: You got to make what's an Australia that we don't
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: have here?
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: For snakes, it's just the animal exotic animals like quala
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: bears and stuff. Other than that, it's like California with
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: probably not a stoid food.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: But Abdul Carter is my pick at four as I
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: feel we are desperate for a past rush. It makes
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the most sense. With Garrett requesting a trade and the
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: likelihood Joey Bosa is cut soon to save La Cap money.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Who should we target more Garrett? I know would cost
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the farm, But what's realistic for Bosa? And is he
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: worth a shot? Yeah? That was reported today that they're
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: gonna cut him.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's had injury injury issues issues with just in general.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Like he's kind of one of those guys that's starting
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: to sputter out a little bit here toward the end.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be overly interested in him. I think he's
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: best suited for a contender that if he can stay healthy.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of that piece that that puts
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: you over the top like the Patriots used to do.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: But I think he would be good.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think it makes sense for the Patriots.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't like depending on the cost, but
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming that he wouldn't come at too high a
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: price and you don't have to give up an asset
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: to get him.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Right, probably has a relationship with Rabel.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would. I would bring him in.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I would bring him in.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: I would just rather go younger. Like, there's a lot
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: of really good options and both the draft in free
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: agency this year for guys that are in their prime.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Do both.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know. I'm not like crazy about like.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't He's not the answer.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: I don't worry about those guys. Just don't move.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: But don't bring him in as the answer. Just bring
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: him in as help.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: To me, it just goes.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: Back to where are we as a franchise and are
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: we trying to Like I do think I do think
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: we need some veteran leadership, tone setter type guys, and
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: I do think that they need talent for sure, but
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: you also want to balance it out with making wise
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: investments on younger players. And that's why it's like having
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: the most cap room and all that stuff that people
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: want to trumpet. It doesn't get me that excited. Pick
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: the right players. I don't care about having all the money,
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: but you take the right You need the right chemistry.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: You know you need tone setters, and you know you
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: need that too, you need the balance.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: But if you sign a guy like Joey Bosa and
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: then you're gonna draft somebody if you better from this
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: defensive line class, or you're dumb, so you better draft
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: somebody from this defensive line class. So like, now, all
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, Joey Bosa is blocking that guy's development
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Like, I'd just figure it out.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: I would rather much rather play play the kids at
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: that point.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Especially so what.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: If you had just out of like this email, Like
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: what if you drafted Abdul Cotter and signed Joey Bosa.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Why is one of those guys blocking the other?
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't necessarily block it. I just in that case,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: but abdul Carter is not happening.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: But no, Red picked whatever name you want for defensive end.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: I would rather guys that have stuff left in the tank,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Like I just.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't like Joey Bosa that's different.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I don't like any of that kind of player honestly.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Like for them, I just h well, he's not a
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: high motor guy.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Doesn't high motor. Yeah, Joey Bosa is kind of known
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: as a guy who gets hurt a lot A lot
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: of time.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: He gets hurt a lot, I know, but when he's
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: in there, he's you know, I don't think he's a
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: high motives to be relentless.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Milescarre would be difference. He's a great player, sure, I
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: That's a player that I think he was great, special
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: and yeah he's a little bit older, but it's different
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: to me than Joey Bosa.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: I would just like to see they have the money
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: in the resources to target people in their prime. So,
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: like again, like I said, Joey Bosa is a great
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: fit for a contender that is just looking for some
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: finishing pieces, that's just looking for guys, veteran guys like
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: the Patriots used to do all the time, you know,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: and try to find those types of players. I just
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily also wouldn't really look at Joey Bosa
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: as like a poster child of what I want my
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: young defensive end. But It's like.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I know that in hindsight, we know that the one
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Patriots were closer to being good than we thought they
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: were at the time, you know, the beginning of the season.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: But they brought in like guys like Brian Cox, you know,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: and these are veteran guys that were hungry, they wanted
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: to win, and they said they set a tone. You
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: need those guys. Now, it doesn't have to be Joey Bosa,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: but it can all be young guys. You need some
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: people to set examples for the young guys.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just you know, I'd rather people in
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: their twenties, Like, if you're gonna sign guys, like, let's
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: sign somebody that's twenty eight instead of thirty. I mean,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know how I know in terms of.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Like Bosa has been much more durable.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Better, he's a better player.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Let's see twenty nine this year. Roankey from Indie Ronky's
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: from Indy, he said, a big fan of both PU
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and Catch twenty two. I live in Indianapolis and was
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: curious if it would at be all possible to meet
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Evan and Alex. As long as I've lived in India,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I've never been to Saint Almo. I'd be it would
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: be an item to scratch off my bucket list and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: be able to have my first visit to Saint Almo
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: to include sitting down and getting to talk Patriots football
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: with you guys. If so, when will you guys be
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: here and what times? I understand you both will be
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: here to work, so I wouldn't want to impede on
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: that anyway. Love the show, keep up the work. So
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I think we're onto something here. I think we should
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: have a meet and greet you and Alex. You can
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: give away signed copies of your mon draft, your latest mantraft,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and you can you can meet people.
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right, photos.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: It might be hard to do it at Saint Almo's
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: in the prime of the combine.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: Yea to sit down conversation that might be.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Now you just stand around the bar like you weren't
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: invited in.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know why you're.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Worried about here.
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: I'll be in my room sleep.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a little bit bent out of shape.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: We get Mike out like a little bit. One night
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: on Monday night, we get Mike out, and then the
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: rest of the week, I'm like, you come in and.
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: One of that basketball game for sure. I'll go to
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: a Pacers game again.
• 52:15
  Speaker 15: That was fun.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: I think they're playing Wednesday night, Monday and Wednesday night.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Actually, but do that little little group outing twelve.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I was trying to think the other day was did
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: there used to be a place? So maybe there is
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: still in Indiana. Maybe it's where University Indiana place called
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: the Barn? Yeah, what is that?
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: That's that's where the Pacers play. They call it the Barn.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, they do call it the Barn, I believe.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, Field still Canseco Fieldhouse.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't know it's still field House something field.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I think it's a band.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: It is, because I was like Indian, I know they
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: called something in Indiana the Barn.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: It's a great basketball venue, it is. Yeah, it's one
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: of them, you know, new issue and it's not that
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: new anymore, but it was. It's a really good place.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Steep though those bleachers.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: That's a good part with us right on top of it.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the old garden falcony.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Oh sure you can't do that no more.
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: All right, my foods here, So we're gonna take a break.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: A lot of calls. A lot of emails coming in uh,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: and we'll get to them right after this.
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• 54:20
  Speaker 18: It's another addition of pats from the past, and we're
• 54:22
  Speaker 18: pleased to be joined by the best tight end in
• 54:25
  Speaker 18: franchise history, Paul, is it the best tight end in
• 54:28
  Speaker 18: NFL history.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: We're going to get to that later. I'm going to
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: get that out of here.
• 54:31
  Speaker 18: You're Paul Perlo here. He's number eighty seven on your scorecard,
• 54:34
  Speaker 18: but number one in everybody's hearts.
• 54:36
  Speaker 13: Rob Gronkowski, what an introduction, guys. I appreciate that, love
• 54:40
  Speaker 13: h thank you.
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: I played the number.
• 54:42
  Speaker 13: One organization of all times as well, so it was
• 54:45
  Speaker 13: a great matchup to have the number one tight end
• 54:48
  Speaker 13: pointing for the number one organization.
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: Baby, that's what's up.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: That fifteen AFC Championship game, to me, is one of
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: the most ridiculous performances by you and Tom, you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: just because of how good that defense was, and especially
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: that day. You know, von Miller was the best defensive
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: player on the planet that day. He dominated up front.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: But you guys just keep hanging around and hanging around.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: It's fourth and ten, and you guys, you know connect.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Tom just says, go down the scene and make a play.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Do you remember this catch that I'm talking about? Because
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: for me, I know you made some circus catches that
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: were incredible, But to me, I think it was TJ.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Ward hanging on you who you had a.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Little history with as well.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Just take me through that play. That catch was amazing.
• 55:32
  Speaker 13: I remember, like Chris, that was awesome.
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: It wasn't awesome, it was amazing. It was fourth and
• 55:36
  Speaker 8: ten and our season was on the line after.
• 55:38
  Speaker 13: Number that play to the exact t and from what
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: I recall, actually.
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: What was called in the huddle.
• 55:47
  Speaker 13: Was a screen pass to the left, and Brady switched
• 55:50
  Speaker 13: to play right away and he called all goes and
• 55:53
  Speaker 13: I was like, yeah, that's right, all goes.
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: I'm ready to go, baby, I'm on fire right now.
• 55:59
  Speaker 8: I'm not ending the season like this.
• 56:00
  Speaker 13: We're gonna get this first down and I'm just gonna
• 56:03
  Speaker 13: take off.
• 56:04
  Speaker 8: And when I'm taking off, Brady can read that.
• 56:06
  Speaker 13: You know, this guy's got a mind of his own,
• 56:08
  Speaker 13: Like he can tell if a player is rolling down
• 56:11
  Speaker 13: the field or now he knows when the player is
• 56:13
  Speaker 13: going full speed, and that's who he always goes to.
• 56:16
  Speaker 13: Like he can read the decisiveness of a wide receiver
• 56:20
  Speaker 13: or a tight end or a running back to the
• 56:21
  Speaker 13: te and that's how he always knew what guy to
• 56:24
  Speaker 13: go to. And he always knew who was on fire
• 56:26
  Speaker 13: at the moment and who wasn't, and he could tell
• 56:28
  Speaker 13: my eyes. Right when we broke that hud, I was like, oh,
• 56:30
  Speaker 13: you better just toss his ball up. I was like,
• 56:32
  Speaker 13: I don't care who's in front of me, and right
• 56:33
  Speaker 13: when that thing was hike boom, I just took off
• 56:36
  Speaker 13: and they had that safety he was all pro.
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: Actually I was double coverage.
• 56:39
  Speaker 13: I had a linebacker right to my actually safety to
• 56:41
  Speaker 13: my left, and the other safety right to my right,
• 56:44
  Speaker 13: and I just split him and went right through him,
• 56:47
  Speaker 13: right down the middle, right up to see him, and
• 56:49
  Speaker 13: Brady just launched that ball up.
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: I was like, yeah, that's right.
• 56:51
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna go grab this thing and we're going to
• 56:53
  Speaker 13: continue this drive and our season is not ending right now.
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: And I just went up there, put the ball right
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: on the money.
• 57:01
  Speaker 13: I just put my hands out, brought it in, got
• 57:03
  Speaker 13: hit right both ways on my right, in my left
• 57:06
  Speaker 13: right at the same time, and brought it in.
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: Man. And let me tell you, I was out of breath.
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: I was like, WHOA.
• 57:11
  Speaker 13: I knew our season wasn't gonna end, but I was like, oh,
• 57:14
  Speaker 13: help me up because I can't breathe right now. And
• 57:17
  Speaker 13: then I kind of took off, like the next three
• 57:19
  Speaker 13: plays like like I kind of just chipped the back
• 57:22
  Speaker 13: the touchdown. Well, I was, I was in on the plays,
• 57:25
  Speaker 13: but I kind of took off. I just kind of
• 57:26
  Speaker 13: lasts of days ago through it, you know, just because
• 57:29
  Speaker 13: I was so winded from that play and being up
• 57:31
  Speaker 13: you know, at the mile high. And also I was
• 57:34
  Speaker 13: sick for that game. I swear I had food poisoning, man,
• 57:37
  Speaker 13: I was. I was basically throwing up on the sideline.
• 57:39
  Speaker 13: It was brutal, but hey, I always come through in
• 57:42
  Speaker 13: the clutch, and when the season's on the line, you
• 57:44
  Speaker 13: always throw that ball up to Robbie g Baby. And
• 57:46
  Speaker 13: then I had that two point conversion as well that
• 57:49
  Speaker 13: I was double coverage, double covered on and I kind
• 57:52
  Speaker 13: of jumped over the guys and you know, controlled my
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: body to go and make the catch and Tom just
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: threw it up there.
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: Again.
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: It was fourth and two, and actually no, it was
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: a two point conversion.
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: No, it was a touchdown.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: It was a touchdown.
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: It was a touchdown. It was fourth down, it was
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: fourth and goal.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't going to bring oversion because they didn't
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: throw it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 8: Now we're not talking about the version. I was open though.
• 58:11
  Speaker 18: A couple other games, rob uh fourteen, the Jonas Gray game.
• 58:16
  Speaker 18: Oh you, I mean you had an unbelievable touchdown where
• 58:20
  Speaker 18: it seems like you literally ran through every member of
• 58:22
  Speaker 18: the Colts. But we're talking about the play where you
• 58:26
  Speaker 18: threw Sergio. You you threw Sergio out of the club.
• 58:30
  Speaker 18: That's what everybody remembers about.
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: That game, Yes they do.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I mean that's a real tight end.
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: Like, yeah, that's a real time disrespect to.
• 58:37
  Speaker 18: Some of these other guys with pass catchers. But you're
• 58:39
  Speaker 18: a blocking guy too. I am the dark and you're
• 58:41
  Speaker 18: going to block your ass off, yes, and you blocked
• 58:43
  Speaker 18: your ass off on that play, that's for sure.
• 58:45
  Speaker 8: I had a lot of pride in my blocking.
• 58:48
  Speaker 9: Man.
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: I love blocking. I truly believe that, you know.
• 58:50
  Speaker 13: It helped me, you know, in the passing game as well,
• 58:53
  Speaker 13: helped me get open in the play action, and it
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: just you know, I truly I just always felt and
• 58:59
  Speaker 13: believed in as a tie just when I when I
• 59:01
  Speaker 13: started playing the position that you had to do both, man,
• 59:03
  Speaker 13: that's what it's all about, you know, doing the dirty
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: work and then also going out there and making plays
• 59:07
  Speaker 13: as well in the passing game. But on that play,
• 59:10
  Speaker 13: I mean, sur Jioe Brown came in with me here
• 59:13
  Speaker 13: with the New England Pages. He was a free agent
• 59:14
  Speaker 13: that year out of Notre Dame. And he was a
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: great player. He was a safety here, Uh he was.
• 59:19
  Speaker 13: He was a great special teamer. And then he went
• 59:22
  Speaker 13: over to the Colts and uh, you know, he did
• 59:24
  Speaker 13: great things for us while he was here with the Pages.
• 59:27
  Speaker 13: But that game, man, he just went and stopped talking. Man,
• 59:29
  Speaker 13: he just went stop, you know, you know, trying to
• 59:32
  Speaker 13: get under my skin. And let me tell you, he
• 59:35
  Speaker 13: eventually got under my skin. And when you get under
• 59:37
  Speaker 13: my skin talking garbage, you know, it's not gonna be
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: good for you on that defensive side of the ball.
• 59:42
  Speaker 13: And that's what happened. And finally I just ticked it.
• 59:44
  Speaker 13: I was like a ticking time bomb the whole game.
• 59:46
  Speaker 13: He just kept going off and off, talking garbage. And
• 59:48
  Speaker 13: then finally he just he hit it. He hit that switch.
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: And then I saw I noticed that play like, all right,
• 59:55
  Speaker 13: one on one right here, I'm just gonna drive. I'm
• 59:57
  Speaker 13: gonna drive your butt all the way until I I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 13: can't drive you anymore, until you get planted, you know,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 13: into the ground. And that's basically what happened, man, That's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 13: why after the game, I was sitting there with Chris Collinsworth.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: I was like, hey, Chris conwer, he was just yapping
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: too much. I had to throw him out of the club.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: So a lot of great catches. You know, there was
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: another one in a Denver game at home. Is there
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: a catch, one particular catch that stands out among the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: rest of them?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 18: Four It was in fourteen as well, here against Denver.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 18: Tom throws that up and he goes, how did you
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 18: catch that ball?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: You know, I kind of made Tom's career if you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: really think about it. Same with Julian, same with Moss.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: I mean Tom should be, you know, thanking us by
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 13: selling us a gift every every single year, like a
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 13: four wheeler for Christmas, would be much appreciated for all all.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Those you know you're going to get things.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 13: I know I'm just messing around, but uh, you know
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 13: I want to be here without Tom and uh but yeah,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 13: I would say one of my favorite catches was versus
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 13: the Buffalo Bills, and and the your truth to catch
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 13: happened because Tom put the ball. He placed the ball
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 13: where only I could go and make the play because
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: I was kind of covered. I was I was going
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 13: versus the All Pro safety man names. Man, we're out
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 13: of the league for a little bit. You gotta look
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 13: back and you can't get the names right in the spy.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 13: I mean, that's not good. But there's so many memories
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 13: and so many players that's hard. But I was going
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 13: All Pro safety. I was spread out wide one on one.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 13: It was right here in Jillette Stadium, this corner right there,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 13: the opposite corner, left side of the lighthouse, yep. And
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 13: he threw it up there and I was on the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 13: two yard line.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: I just reached back like that.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 13: It was a one hander versus my hometown Buffalo Bills,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 13: and vaguely just brought it in, didn't even use my
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 13: second hand, brought it in, toe tapped into the end
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 13: zone and then fell.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 8: So it was a one handed grab. Baby. It was
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 8: a beauty. It was one of my favorite catches.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 18: We're gonna wrap this up here in a second, but
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 18: I gotta ask you this one. You talked about Super
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 18: Bowl fourteen. How much it mentioned everything like that? The
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 18: Kansas City game. It wasn't a super Bowl. It got
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 18: you to the super Bowl. That was your last year.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: How great was that?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 18: Kind of like the last call? But for Rob Gronkowski's part.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 18: You know in that Kansas City game in the cold,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 18: you know that that team's on the come, here they come,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 18: and everything like that.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: That was a game.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: I don't want to put words in your mouth.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: How great was that game?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 13: That was one of the greatest AC Championship games you
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 13: could ever imagine or ever be out. It was probably
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 13: the greatest AFC Championship game, which was wild. I was
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 13: actually hanging over with I was hanging out with my
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 13: nephews about four weeks ago, and they're starting to get
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 13: to the age where they understand things now. They understand,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 13: you know that I played in the NFL, that I'm.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: On YouTube and everything.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 13: And I was just sitting there and my little nephew
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 13: he goes and puts YouTube on me, and he types
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 13: in my name and he puts the last five minutes
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 13: on of the AFC Championship game in twenty eighteen. It
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 13: was correct yep verse the Kansas City Chiefs, and we
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 13: watched the last four minutes of the game, and that
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 13: was the first time I've actually seen the game.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: And let me tell you, I.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 13: Was getting goosebumps again. Man, I was getting excited. I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 13: couldn't believe what was going on in that game. How
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 13: many touchdowns were scored in the final four minutes. We
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 13: went down, we went down, we scored, They came back,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 13: they scored. We went back down and scored a touchdown
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 13: to take the lead. And then with thirty seconds left,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 13: Patrick Mahomes did Patrick Mahomes saying he threw a big
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 13: deep pass got him in field goal position and they
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 13: kicked the field goal with the final seconds left and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 13: regulation to put us into overtime. It was one of
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 13: the most exciting four minutes I've ever watched. And I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 13: played in the game, and I knew what was gonna happen,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 13: and it was still that exciting. And what made it
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 13: so great was that we had so many third and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 13: tens and fourth and tents.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: We weren't moving the ball on.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 13: Those final drives on the first down or second down,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 13: but we completed the third down every single time.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: And Julian Edelman balled out.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 13: It was Julian Edelman over the middle third and ten,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 13: Julianado over the middle third and ten that I'm spreading
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 13: out watch fourth and tent slant for a first down
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 13: and then the fade for a first down. And Rex
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: Burg had runs in for the for the overtime touchdown
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 13: as well, So it was just one of the best
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 13: four minutes of football.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: That you could ever watch. Was that asc championship game? Man?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: What what?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 8: What an incredible you know moment And to win on the.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 13: Road for the first time to get to the Super
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 13: Bowl just made the Patriots dynasty that much greater.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 18: Man, appreciate you coming in. Thank you so much. Happy
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 18: Thanksgiving to you and your family. You'll be here at
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 18: some point time, sooner rather than later to get a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 18: red jacket. You're gonna get a gold jacket and Canton
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 18: whenever your time comes.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: From there.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 18: It was a pleasure to watch your career and see
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 18: how great you were and how you made this team great.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Tremendous, Yes, I appreciate that, guys.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 13: Thank you guys for having me. This is this is
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 13: really cool man, to be here and just to be
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 13: back in the building and see some of the guys. Man,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 13: it's bringing back so many great memories. Man, and it's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: just me back up and I like it. Man, this
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 13: is really cool. So thank you guys for inviting me
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 13: in and go check out the at the Patriots Hall
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 13: of fame if you can Grink spike harder than Gronk
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 13: can spike, because the velocity was tested, and there's a
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 13: machine that gives you the you know, the the wavelengths
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 13: of how hard you can spike, and if you can
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 13: compare it, you know, you can compare it to my
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 13: velocity and how hard I can spike. So go check
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 13: it out and just great to be back, man, This
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 13: is a pleasure. So you guys are the best.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Good clubs.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: Thanks Rob, no problem.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: And now great moments in.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: History. So that's Sunday that we were playing the Jets
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: and their pr guy comes up to me while I'm
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: sitting there and he's like, you know what you wrote
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: isn't true. We're not censoring the clips. I'm like, well,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: you're not giving to them, right. He's like, yeah, but
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: that's not censoring. And the guy sitting next to me
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: goes sounds like censorship to me, and he just walked away.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Never one for fred of people's skin. They hated me.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So the other thing I wrote in the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: paper we were talking, I was talking about the draft,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: how it's unfair that every at that time, every year,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: the draft was in New York. I said that wasn't
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: fair because people in the crowd, it's all New York
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: fans and you know, so I said, they should come
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: up with a new thing that the team that has
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: the first pick, that's where the that's the city where
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: the draft should be. I said. But on second thought,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: that'd be the Jets every year anyway. So again, like Gold,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: we get.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 11: A letter, you know, comic styling. You're a member of
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 11: another team. You shouldn't be saying this about another team.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 11: And like, you know, for a while, like I was
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 11: like enemy number one. You know, that's a metalware.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Do not let this man.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: So the vice president of pr for the lead sent
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: the Crafts a letter about me, saying that I'm a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: pain in the ass. And Jonathan showed me the letter.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: He's like, I just got this from uh, what's it
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Dan Brown? Joe Brown? I just got this from Joe Brown.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: He goes, good job.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered eight five five
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: past five hundred is the TPX hotline podcast at Patriots
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: dot com. Is the email address. Let's get to the phones.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Alex is in Austin. What's up, Alex? Alex was in Austin. Yes, hey,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: I good boy, have you heard something.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 14: Well, MB's on for the season. It's rocking the news
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 14: down here. But what did you give a shout out to? Alex?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 14: The newsletter is the only email that finds me well
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 14: all week.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 9: That's good.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 14: Really appreciate it. I had a question about the offensive
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 14: line possibly coming in. I felt like the zeitgeist was
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 14: leaning towards Banks for like a month there, and now
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 14: it's back to Will Campbell. I just want to know
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 14: if I missed something, why why this kind of shifts
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 14: back to Will Campbell instead of Banks? And I'll take
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 14: it off the air.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Alex. I don't remember it ever being Banks
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: over Campbell.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't say so. I think a lot of
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: people might have gravitated more towards Banks because he's gonna
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: have the prototypical size of a left tackle, and if
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: Campbell's arms come in under threshold, then then maybe you
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: know that cancels Banks out or excuse me, Campbell out
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: as a tackle option. So if you want you know
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: a guy that's probably gonna check the boxes a little
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: bit more in terms of the measurables, then Calvin Banks
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: is more of that, but it also isn't particularly long,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: so he's gonna probably come in right above threshold as
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: well for arm length. Not he's not gonna have thirty
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: five thirty six in charms. It's gonna be tough.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: We need one of those guys like the Eagles found
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: from like Rugby eight, just a monster.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: Was he there when we were there, Paul one of
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: their other monstrous He must not have practiced because you
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: would have definitely take I think he was there.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: I don't remember.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: He's been on for a while. Yeah, I remember just
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: seeing him like this.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: It's gotta be him, like one huge offensive line, being like,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: who is this guy? And I think at the time
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: he was still kind of raw. They didn't really know
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: he hadn't broken out yet.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, uh. Todd of New Hampshire rights in
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I catched twenty two yesterday, Evan and Alex were talking
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: about the lack of quality quarterback options in the draft.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Alex said he felt one or more teams were certain
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: to overdraft a quarterback because they always do. I know
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: you guys are lukewarm on the trade of Joe Milton,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: but if he were in this year's draft with the
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: progress that he's made since joining the Patriots. I see
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: him as the third or fourth best quarterback, which puts
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: him in the conversation as a late first or early
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: second round pick. With that in mind and my propensity
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: to swing for the fences, I'm calling Pittsburgh and offering
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Milton and Duggar for a pick twenty one. The Steelers
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: aren't going to be bad enough anytime soon to pick
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: in the top five or ten, and guys like Wilson
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: or Field's aren't getting them to the Promised Land, so
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: they need to be creative. They already have. They didn't
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: they call Jacksonville about Trevor Lawrence. I would then do
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: my best to sign Holland in free agency from Miami.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: What's that I didn't see that they would. Yeah.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know if if the report was accurate, but
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: there was a report that the Steelers sent out feelers
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: to the Jaguars about Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm not saying Joe Millen has zero trade value
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: because I don't think that's the case. But it's not.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: And I know that Emailer probably realizes this, but that's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: not really an apples to apples comparison because you're comparing
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: the guy that's had a year of development in the
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: NFL and is already an older prospect to begin with,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: to guys that are twenty two, twenty one years old
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: in the college game. It's like, not really the same
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: sort of thing. So I hear what he's saying. But
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: if I had to guess, you know, Joe Millen was
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: a sixth round pick last year, Like, could you maybe
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: get an earlier Day three pick for him this year
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: if he was available in a trade, I would. I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: would probably say that's what the best year gonna not
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: a first rounder?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was Dougler too. The guys just don't
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: be no.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: I yeah, I'm just teaching people who are like he said,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: Joe Millen for a first round pick and prosper Like,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: where would he be.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: In this year's draft now with a year's experience in
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: the NFL, not where he was then, but now knowing
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: what we know where in what the NFL knows limited
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: about him, where would he risen in this year's draft.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: It's definitely possible, just because of the traits that if
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: you're in a draft a down quarterback year, you might
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: risk it for the biscuit on the quarter, on the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: arm strength and the size and the mobility. But I'm
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: still I would think he's outside the top fifty. Like,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: I think he's probably a bit.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, compare him to Anthony Richardson.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: Not close, No, no, like it. Just I would say
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: he's probably Like I said, like, you know, his value
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: now might be a fourth round pick in a year
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: like this. You know, I think somewhere around there. So
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: higher than what he was last year, certainly, but I
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: don't think you get anything crazy for him.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: But you're kind of stacking in the area that the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: two kids in the National Championship game, right, Ryle Leonard,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: like those like that kind of area of like the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: middle of this draft, like you know, some guys with
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: some issues but some talent too.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: I just occurred to me, I wasn't here last week.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Did I win the playoff picks contest? No? Okay, who won?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Mike?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Mike won?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: Bare.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: I had a really bad Super Bowl. Yeah, my picks
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: were terrible.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: And so did the Chiefs.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: I have to go back and look because now I'm
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: confused on the overall and the spread. But I think
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: Mike won.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was really bad.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: With it, and then I added in Alex's picks that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: she actually did send me.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Well, how do we do scops?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Mediocre?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I did that.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Mike, you had a tough because I told you
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: I was powd stand being like, that's it.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: Kansas City is just gonna win results in the newsletter?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Did you do it? Did you put them in?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: Well? Because I wasn't until tomorrow.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Oh Okayah, I wasn't here to send them. Yeah, I
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: can do.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: That, okay. Gerald and Grimsby watching on YouTube today and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: the way Paul is dressed, I'm wondering if he's looking
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: to join Build down South and start a new podcast
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: tar Heels today. Actually it's a citadel. It's the same colors,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: but it's the Citadel because they copy.
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  Speaker 9: Calls like fourth baby Blues above.
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  Speaker 4: Baby blue, Carolina Blue.
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  Speaker 3: This is like my only Carolina blue citadel. But it's
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: it's the Citadel, not those.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: Are their colors too.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: They just copy it North.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Citadel just copyed.
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  Speaker 6: I think the Citadel has been along round longer than
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: the University of Carolina, doesn't.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Matter, maybe not as long his bill though, he's been
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: around a long time.
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  Speaker 4: When you see that color. You're Michael Jordan, that is unfortunate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. When I was in the bookstore,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I'm a quarter zip guy,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: and you know, I got to get one. And I'm
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: looking and I'm like, they had a white one is
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: the other had the logo one that I really liked.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: But that was like two hundred bucks, And I was like.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I don't like it that or was it made out
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: of like cashmere?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: It was obviously made out of a much better material
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: than this one is. But I looked and I was like, Okay,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: is that forty bucks? It's kind of the next BAC. Yeah,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: but it was kind of the next best one. And
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: I was like, that's really unfortunate that it's Carolina blue.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: But what are you gonna do? Yeah, is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: I would think with Marines it would be a darker blue,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, what's the whole color scheme?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is the same thing, marine, Matt, What do you
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: think about that baby blue for Marines?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: That's not the Marine Corps color? No?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: Sure is it? Well, it's not just Marines, Oh the Citadel.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: I thought it was Marines.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: It's everybody it is.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that you learned something new every day.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we TJ more than likely is going
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: to go to yeah, into the army.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: To the army. Okay, all right, go Army, Go Army.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: That's because that's because Matt talked him out of it.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't talk him into the army. To the air Force.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Uh, there's absolutely no chance of that.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: I can't swim. I don't know.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: No, he Yeah, he didn't have any interest in the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: Air Force. I don't know why.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: It must not like money. Oh okay, let's see who
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: is this? This is Stephen and Iron. A great show
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: was always from Mike. I thought he did a brilliant
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: job last week. Could ever get to my email? But
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't mind it as it was originally for Evan
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: and Alex on Cash twenty two. Anyway, question for this
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: week for Evan mainly, but open to all. If the paide,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: if you just get one of the top left tackle
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: free agents and Will Campbell measures under thirty three inches
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: arm length, would taking him at four to play left
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: guard be seen as a bad pick.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, I would not take him to play guard at
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: that point.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: I personally would love it, as you then have four
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: to five O line positions pretty locked in, and I
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: think if the team tried to trade down to get
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: him a bit lower to play left guard, it could
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: be risky in case he's taken by the time we're
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: back on the clock. Normally i'd say that the chance,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: I'd say take that chance. But with the draft not
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: being as big a blue chip market this year, are
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: we best to take the player we want when we can,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: as opposed to when we would like to do to
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: the position.
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  Speaker 6: That's a good question. I mean, I think that's a
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: hard spot to be in. If they sign let's just say,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: Ronnie Stanley, not a permanent solution, but hopefully a solution
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: for at least a year or two. You still have
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: a long term need at the spot. It's very important
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: you have a chance to draft that kid. But I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: still feel like I would tack defense.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: I would try to. I would try to tack to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: maybe one of the Georgia kids, or you know.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 6: I think a trade down it then becomes even more
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 6: And if Campbell was a guard, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not. Campbell's off my board. If he's a guard,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: I'm with you guys, but I I'm with Mike though
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: I if you are signing a Ronnie Stanley, even an
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: Alric Jackson Cam Robinson in free agency and saying we
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: have a left tackle now, then you're going defense. You're
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: going Tedoro McMillan, You're you're doing it.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Even if Campbell is a legit tackle prospect, I.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: Would think about it more if it was a legit
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: tackle prospect, because now you have the Joe alt Roshan
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: Slater thing where you could play one on the right
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: side and one on the left side, and I don't
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: I don't hate that idea. I would probably flip the veteran,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: but I still don't hate that idea of doing that
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: sort of thing. So I would be and if that
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: was the case, but.
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  Speaker 6: A lot to think about, Like I love what you
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: brought up all like that to me is like where
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: I start getting like what do you do?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: Like it's important, and like I think there's even an
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: argument to be saying, like if you have a ten
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: year all pro left guard sitting there, Like I mean,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: I think there's a little argument.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think i'd make it, but.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't think that I can understand it, And to me,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: it would just come down to the same stuff that
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: we talk about all the time. Whatever the guy is
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: that they think is better, if that's one of the
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: defensive players, by all means, take the defensive guy, don't
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: reach because any of the spots that you take realistically
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: are going to fill a need. And I am not,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: As we said on Tuesday, I'm not hell bent. It
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: has to be the fastest way to rebuilding is fix
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: the trenches. Now. The fastest way to rebuilding is getting
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: as many talented players as you can. That's the fastest
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: way to rebuild. I don't care where they play. You
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: need good players. You need good players.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Kieran from Aberdeen Share. How about Joe Milton for Deshaun
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Watson and Miles Garrett. I think he's being funny there.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the great content, love the newsletter, but I
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: do a lot of machine work and would prefer to
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: listen to things. Any chance you could do an audio version.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: That's the show. That's the audio version of the Around
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: and Around we Go.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: So I don't think he's kidding about the the Deshaun
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Watson Miles Garrett thing. I think a lot of people
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: are trying to come up with the brock oswhile with
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: trade for Deshaun Watson. For you know, Cleveland's gonna take
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: less to unload the contract, and you have the cap
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: space to be able to afford the contract, So that
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: means you can get Miles Garrett for pennies on the dollar.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: Jill Milton like, I don't think that's realistic, but I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: don't think he's being so okay.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: It's almost like a bit I apologize.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: Then, I don't think I'm just trying to see it
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: because I've seen a lot of people throw scenarios involving
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: Watson to me and then going back to brock oswol
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: This has been happening the mailbag for several weeks.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: In this scenario, do you what do you do with
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: Watson if the Patriots acquire him?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: Do you see part of this team is he.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: Can't cut him because he's of the dead cap of
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: that would cause I don't think unless it changed in
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: a trade. I don't know how exactly the math of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: all of that, but that, like all this, it reminds
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: me of baseball trade right. It's like what the Red
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: Sox did with David Price. He bets right where.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: You get less because you're including a big contact contract.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: But I don't think you're going to get that much
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: less for Miles Garrett that you're getting him for Joe Milton.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 6: What would you guys do with him? With Deshaun Watson
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: if you were Cleveland, Like, how do you get out
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: of that?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Do you just do?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: You have to just bite the bullet?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: And I don't know the particulars about the dead money,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: but yeah, if I just decided he can't play for
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: me anymore, then that would yeah.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Denver off that.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: One of the worst contracts transactions in sports history.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Up there probably in a conversation.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: I just can't believe how much forget about the person
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: because the person has no defense. I just can't believe
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: how much he fell off as a player. Yeah, I
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: never would have guessed that, you know, and now like
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: the same kind it's so weird, like the similarities with
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: Justin Tucker now and I can't believe Baltimore hasn't cut
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: ties with them.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well you gotta let justice.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think you do. Uh, John, I don't think
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: you do.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, especially in that he's a kicker, I know, but
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: I mean he's kind of washed.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 9: Was people are saying is he washed because because maybe
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 9: he knew that was coming off the pipeline.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, John Louisiana writes, And it seems for the Patriots
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: media and fans, they think to have a great O line,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: you need to have a great O line to win.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Along with that the notion that you have to get
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: the O line in the first round or they're no good.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: I think how bad our O line has been has
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: more to do with how the front office has approached
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: dressing it more than anything. What the Patriots have had
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: the past two years has been worse than average, and
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: I think we need to calm it down by thinking
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: it has to be great good or average will do
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: the trick. Also, Evan is a fraud. Let me know
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: if I have to email in why later.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: I agree.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: I look forward to that though.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: But I think we're all in agreement on that email.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody is saying it needs to be
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: an Alito line. They just don't even have service.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: So there's some people saying it no.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: And he's that Fread's right that like that's what really
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: started to like get under my skin a little bit.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: Is like that it's the latest example of what the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: characteristics were of the team that won the Super Bowl.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: The only way to do it.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: Recently, Bias and I would even argue, like Philadelphia's offensive
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: line is tremendous. I mean, I don't think anybody. I
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: mean I think all of them got like all pro consideration.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: I think all five of them, or at least four
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: out of five of them. They couldn't run the ball
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl like Saquon Barkley put up this
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: historic season. He couldn't run from here to there in
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. So did they dominate the line of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: scrimmage in the run game? No, But I think that
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: they did everything else at such a high level.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: Their defensive line bothered Kansas City so much. Offensively, the
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: passing game for Philadelphia was so effective and efficient. I
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: think it was like seventeen for twenty two. It's really efficient,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: but a big plays, big.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Domin I think that was an example of in the NFL,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: if a defense commits to stopping the run, they're probably
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: gonna do.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: But they didn't.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: But at what costs?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: They didn't commit to stop That was the thing you
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: don't think they did. They didn't. There's Evans guys out
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: there with all kinds of stuff out there. They didn't
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: have that normally heavy boxes the whole game. They just
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: stopped the run because Kansas City is pretty good on defense.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Well, they certainly didn't blitz. They never like took chances
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: that would keep them vulnerable to the run.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: But they couldn't cover right because Philadelphia's got good players,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: not just good linemen. They have good players. They have
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: like AJ Brown and DeVante Smith and Dallas Goddard. There
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: good players in Kansas City's good players didn't keep up.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie had a tough day.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: I like that email side before the part about you.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Of course I like that too, But.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: I want to know why not to.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: Say that Ben Brown or Trade Jacobs are the answer.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: But there's this part of me of like, of this
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: bunch of dudes that they have that some have promised,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: some you don't really feel great about with free agency,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: with some of the draft, can you just get to good?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: Can you just get to okay?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know. Some of those Patriots teams
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: that were great, I never thought of them as like
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 6: a dominant offensive line. I mean, I think Logan Mankins
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: was dominant at times. I never thought of Matt light
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 6: as a dominant.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Thought, they were always really good release. How many years, Paul,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: be honest about this, how many years during the dynasty
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: did we have a discussion on this show how many
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: guys on the Patriots roster would you take on another team?
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: And we had certain years during the dynasty where we said,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: are roster is not that loaded? Right, we had those discussions.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: I would say that that that absolutely we had discussions
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: You're right, and that's why Brady got pissed.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: The offensive line was in my opinion, although light Year
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: is better than this one also a product of Brady. Yeah, Like,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: you don't have to have great linemen when you have
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: that guy deciphering things and as he said, knowing the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: answers to the test.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: But whether it's having the greatest quarterback of all time, huge,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: whether it's having Dante Scarnekia, it just doesn't have to be.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: We need to overinvest in the left tackle and the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: left guard, and you know, going to the point of
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: drafting Campbell and signing you know, a big name free
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: agent in those positions, Like I just I think that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: there can be a solid offseason where they get to
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: respectable and Drake may feeds into that, and maybe the
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: new offensive line coach Doug Maroon fits into that as advantage.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: But you have to but you have to add like
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: if you're just going to bring back Jacobs and Brown
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: and expect your offensive line to be better this year
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: than it was last year, it's not hundred percent.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Well I just I mean you said it. But like
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: Dante scarnekia is is such a big part of all this,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: Like offensive line player is a five man unit, like
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: so of all five guys need to be playing on
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: the same string and they all have to see it
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: through the same set of eyes, is what you know.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: It's in the line room. It's like a poster that
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: Dante quote. You know, see you through the same set
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: of eyes. And like Jeff Stoaltlin in Philadelphia is in
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: my opinion, one of the best offensive line coaches of
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: all time as well. And so when they take Jordan Mylotta,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: who is a seventh round pick who played rugby his
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: entire life, and over a couple of years of development,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: Jeff Staltlin turns him into a top five left tackle
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: in football, you know you can go all like it's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: easier than so when you take when you have a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: coach like that, and maybe Doug Maro own's a better
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: coach than than Scott Peters or the average run of
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: the mill offensive line coach. But you don't need to
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: target offensive lineman at the top of the market. You
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: don't need to target offensive lineman in the first round
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: because you know Marcus Cannon in Sebastian Volmer and those guys.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: You know, obviously Stephen Niels the extreme example. But like
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: Shaq Mason, Joe Tooney is a third round pick, David
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: Andrews is undrafted when you hand him to a guy
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: who I think should be in the Profole Ball Hall
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: of Fame. All of a sudden, they have a good
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: offensive line, and so a lot of these other teams
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: that don't have that luxury they need to go get
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: better players, like the players need to be the ones
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: that are rising the ceiling of the group. So it's
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: hard to say, like, oh, you don't need to go,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: you know, attack the offensive line in the first round. Well,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: if we assume that Doug Moron is going to turn
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: their third round pick into a starting caliber tackle, than fine,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: But like we're putting a lot of faith in Doug
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: Moron that he's going to be able to do that.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: And I would just say in Fred's being being snarky
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: with with our views on the offensive line over the years,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: and I would agree with it. You don't have to
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: like like Mishaan Slater and Joell both both first round picks. Okay,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: that's one way to do it. They have a good
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: offensive line, but you don't have to do it that way.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: As Evan just gave you examples. But the Patriots don't
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: have any. We had an SPFW about this one too,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: probably a couple of months ago. I believe it's the
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: only I think it's the only offensive line in the
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: entire NFL that doesn't have a single first or second
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: round pick. And you know, when you're talking about those lines,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: you know Logan Mankins was a first round pick, Matt
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: Light was a second round pick, so Ashian Volmer was
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: a second round pick. They did invest some into the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: offensive line.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Nate Solder was a first round I.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: Need you to listen so you can get you know
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: you can. You can get Steven Neil in the mix
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: and have some patients in developing him. And you have
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: a guy like Joe andrewsy or Dan Connolly or Russ
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Hochstein as one of the other guys that you have
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: some talent around him, you know, and then you can
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: sort of fill it in. The Patriots have neither. They
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: don't have these they don't have these developmental guys like
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: Steve and Neil, and they don't have any blue chip
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: you know, guys that came out, you know, Cole Strange.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, there's a first round pick and unfortunately
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: he hasn't really panned out.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when you look at the Eagles, like
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Lane Johnson is going to go into the Hall of
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: Fame someday, and so LANDA.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: Dickerson was a high draft pick too.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, top one hundred guy, and so like Lane Johnson
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: is the anchor of the Eagles offensive line, you know,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: and he was the fourth overall picking a draft.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: And dam Jurgen's second round pick.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: You know that that's a big part of it too.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Until Barton Poland along these lines. People love to say
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: that you win in the trenches, or you win with
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: a top three quarterback. You know, how you win hitting
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: your players, not you know, hitting on hitting on the players.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Many many say that the many say that the Bengals,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: for example, focused on their weapons instead of the lines
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: and defense. Well, no, they spent big money in draft
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: capital on the old line and secondary, but they missed
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: on most of them, just like the Eagles hit on
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: most of their players, both in free agency and in
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: the draft, as well as in the trade market. So
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: I don't really care what position grew we focus on
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: because it doesn't matter unless you hit on them.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: What a great email. He's right about Cincinnati. Cincinnati has
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: spent resources trying to fix what is the problem with
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: the team, and they missed.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: Around and around they go.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: For the most part, they have some They had a
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: horrible secondary last year and they sunk a lot of
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: money into it and it failed.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: The defensive side of the ball. That that's probably true.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: You know, I think their offensive line, some of their
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: guys that they've signed, you know, Teddy Carris, I think
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: Marius mim is going to be a good draft pick.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: Like some of those things have worked out for them.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: But but that wasn't big money. They put big money
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: into the secondary. They put some big money into some
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: of the areas that they lack, and those areas haven't
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: been great. But I agree with you on I kind
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: of liked Mims in the draft.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Lash.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to be a good player.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: He's kind of last year's Josh Simmons. You know, injuries,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: short lifespan in college. So let's see what happened.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Kakara in Jacksonville says, remember Fred's theory on cold Strange.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: I think it actually applies perfect ly to Travis Hunter.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Let's try him out wide receiver. If he fails, worst
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: case scenario is that he's an All Pro cornerback. What
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: do you think about that? Is that? Did I say
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: that about col Strange?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 14: So?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: I think it was Isaiah winning his floor. His floor
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: was an All Pro guard. He might have said pro Bowl, Pro.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 8: Bowl guard, pro Bowl.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his floor.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: He's actually playing guard now in Miami and he ain't
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Well I always heard, yeah, they stunted his growth.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: See, but that you know what? Miami is an example too,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: Like it was like the fastest way to rebuild, the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: fastest way you gotta build in the trenches. Well, Miami
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: is not a Super Bowl winning team by any stretch,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: but they have rebuilt themselves into a playoff team. Right.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: They made the playoffs the last two years. They didn't
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: make it this year, but close enough.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: They win football games.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: But they always get their butts kicked.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: No, but I'm just saying they went They went from
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: the worst team in the league to a playoff team
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: in like three years, not by fixing the train. They
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: did it by getting weapons. Yeah, you can do it
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: different ways.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: I mean they ignored the trenches, which that's a problem.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: So you can't get over the humpany only plays half
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: the games.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but every time they play, Miami plays a contender.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: You know their record yep, even with healthy two against
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: like good teams, it's terrible. It's because they get their
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: butts kicked in the trenches like they can't I would agree,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: and they can't move the.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: But would you be happy right now to be Miami
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: right now? I'm not talking about forever. I'm talking about
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: right now. I'd be much rather be Miami and then say, hey,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: we get a couple offensive linemen, we fix some things
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: over here, and we can be a contender.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: I think that team is soft, so I worry about
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: I agree with I don't think they're going anywhere because
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: You're missing my point, right, I'm talking about the caliber
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: of team forgetting a close out. They got to the
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: point where they were one of the worst teams in
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: the league when Brian Flores and now they have a
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: talented roster that's missing important pieces and they can't be
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: a contender until they get those. The Patriots are light
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: years away from that.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: And they'll keep drafting Chop Robinson's and stuff like that.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not listening.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: You know what he's doing.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: He's doing because I wouldn't.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: He's being and okay, but if he's being intentionally obtuse.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: He's saying that.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, they say that you can get then change the
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: If you're telling me that I am running the team
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: from this point on.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: They're going to draft three All Pro offensive linemen just
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: to suit your needs.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you that you're good. They will. They will
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: go into this year's draft and they will do none.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: They might screw it up, and that's I want to
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: be their person the personnel chief. I'm telling you, they
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: went from a terrible team personnel wise to a good
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: team personnel wise. They're not a great team yet.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: And think about think about how close do they'd be
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: if they were you.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: They did that without addressing the trenches. Somehow now, which
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: is the only way to do it.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: That's how you shut them.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: No, I still disagree. Okay, I don't want any I
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: don't want anything to do with Themami, and you want.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Quarterback getting talent, help me, it's nothing to do.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: They wanted to be Miami. But I'm telling you how
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: quickly you can get to respectability regardless of players.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, they have talent in the wrong places.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: Like they have great top end talent. If you want
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: to draft those players for your fantasy team, cool. If
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: you want to win football games in the NFL way
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: to do both? No, not really a playoff game.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: What do you want to get to the playoffs?
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: You go four and thirteen?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, last couple of years, Yes that is true. But
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: like I would not want to be in their.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: Position, but I want to be in their position. I'm
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: telling you I want to be out of the Patriots position.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: I would.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 19: Differently than the Patriots the last two years. Go get
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 19: your shiny toys. It's not shiny toys. I want talented players.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 19: I don't care what position they play. I don't care
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 19: if their.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: Lineman, and.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: If if the best choice is Will Campbell, I want
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell like, I'm not opposed to linemen, right, I'm
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: just that email was perfect. If you get talent and
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: your team, you hit on your players.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think the difference it just we can
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: move on from the Dolphins thing. I just like picking
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: on the Dolphins, but I think that.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: Which is completely transparent. It's just a division team that
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: you hate and you refuse to give them any credit.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: I give them slight credit. But I just don't want
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: to be a regular season team that there's no that's fine,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: that wins nine games with my quarterbacks healthy, but otherwise.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: A lot of teams like that. But but right now
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: you're the Carolina Panthers. I don't want to be that.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: How we go throw them a parade?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 8: How many?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: How many regular how many regular season games?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 8: It's a parade.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: It's okay, much rather go for go hang the bach,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: rather go much rather go. We go to the press
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: box against a team that didn't play.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me, let me, let me rephrase
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: the whole thing. Yeah, let's go back four years ten say,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: over the last four years, the Patriots have gotten some
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: high end talent at these shiny positions that you talk about. Yes,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: and right now, where record wise and competition wise the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: same as Miami, where all we need is to build
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: up the trenches. Would you like to be in that
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: position right now where we've got high end talent at
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: some key positions.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, how do you think.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh is building from the inside out?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: First? Pretty good? You think Pittsburgh's pretty good in the trenches.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: What are they missing? Quarterback shiny toys, the same spot
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: that Miami is. They ain't going anywhere. They ain't gonna
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: win a playoff game. They haven't won a playoff game
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: in a long time.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: Same thing.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 8: And I.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: Want to be good players, that's all. And I don't
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: want to get more good players to get me championship
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: left and.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Hopefully one of our best players is the quarterback.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Well I write correct, I don't want to get there
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: and then have rock party and then he gets then
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: he really loses.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: I'm really in trouble. That's the case. I think. The
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: other big thing, just like in this particular draft, because
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: we are in we're not making up players. It's not
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: Madden where we can just like create players out of
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: thin air. In this particular draft, I strongly feel that
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: there's not a big separation in talent from I would
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: say probably three to four to like twelve ish. It's
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: all kind of the same player. People feel that in
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: terms of level of talent. So in this draft, position
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: and positional value is kind of a big deal because
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: in other drafts you could sit there and say, Okay,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: we don't want to take this guy because we're going
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: to take the blue chip receiver.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: I just need them to be right.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: But but but my point is is that in this draft,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: I would say that best player available is kind of
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: non existent because they're all kind of the same level
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: of talent. So you need the best player available for
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: your particular situation.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: To need the guy that turns out to be the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: best player available. Because I understand what everybody says about
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: this draft, and Fred, you're a big proponent of this.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: Everybody says four, five, ten, twelve, sixty, same. It ain't
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: gonna work out that way. Two or three of those
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: guys that get picked out of those fifteen spots are
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: gonna be much better than the rest. You need to
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: find the one that's much better than the rest, right,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: because it doesn't work in a vacuum where all players
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: are equal. That's how they're all rated. I agree with Evan.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: That's how everything I've read, that's how they described this draft. Yeah,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: and it's even a bigger gap once you get to
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: like twenty to fifty. Yeah, people think is basically the same.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: It ain't gonna work out that way. And one of
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: those receivers that gets drafted there's gonna be Terry McLaurin
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: and another one's gonna be Nikhil Harry.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: You gotta make sure you find out which one's McLaurin, right.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. I just there's two things that
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: are that are coming out about about this draft a lot,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: and one of them is, you know, about the positional value.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: Will Campbell guard tackle that sort of thing? And the
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: other thing that is big is trading down. And to
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: both those things, you know, I've kind of already made
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: my point about Campbell thing. But to the trade down people,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: you can't just make up a trade, right, like, people
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: have to be interested in wanting to trade up for
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: your pick. And then if you trade down to let's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: say nine, which is a popular trade down with New
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: Orleans right now, and the Patriots are at four, you
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: need five other guys to go between four through eight,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: so that your guy makes it to nine. So who
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: is going from four to eight? That's pushing Will Campbell
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: down to nine.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of the trade down people
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: don't care. They have a lot of guys that they're
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: willing to take at nine and that's the point.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: And that's okay, Yeah, as long as you get a
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: guy that's really good, right right, because there will be
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: a difference between five six some of those A couple
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: of those plays are going to be really good and
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: a couple of them are. It's just the way it is.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: Every year.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: I just hear a lot of the value isn't there,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: so I take them at eight, but I wouldn't take
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: them at four. And it's like, okay, but in this draft,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: there's not the depth in the top ten that's gonna
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: push those players down to eight. So there's no quarterbacks.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they're saying I'd rather have two players
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: of equal value than one player because they're all the same.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: How you getting two because you're you're trading down. You're
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: picking up an asset, right, Yeah.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: But there's not gonna be an equal value you're gonna get. Well,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: you're gonna swap spots and get like a second round pick.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe I can get lucky and you get two.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: Good and you're not getting two first round but you can.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: You get volume, and maybe you know, because everyone's about equal,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: maybe I can get two good players instead of one.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying. I just I think you
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: have to be prepared in this type of draft that
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: if you do make a trade down like that, there's
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: a very good chance absolutely that you are not going
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: to get your guy. And I think it's just like
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: a foregone conclusion, like oh, let's just trade down to
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: eight and we'll just draft Campbell then yeah, no, I
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: and it's.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Like it's just as easy that you trade down and
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: end up with cold Strange instead.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: Of I think it's Patriots fans we have to go
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: into this draft thinking stay put, just pick your guys,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: pick your players.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: That's how I feel, because I just feel like things
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: like positional value, I think are going to matter more
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: in a draft like this where all everyone's kind of
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: stacked vertically the same. Yeah, and so now it's like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: we need to tackle, we need a pass rusher, we
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: need a wide receiver, and it's just going to kind
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: of go as a Flavors draft more than it is
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: going to be.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Like I can tell you for the draft show that
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: we do, I will not be wearing a tux. This
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: isn't that. This isn't that type of draft. Now, we're
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: not going to be getting the course. I'm not going
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: to be wearing a tux. It's more of a workman
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: like draft. I might be wearing a blue Quala.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: This is this is socks for Christmas draft.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: This is this socks for your draft for a long time,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: and you brought me to that side, the Will Campbell's side.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: And it's not just Will Campbell, but if it's Mason Graham,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: it's Mason Graham. But like this is a little less
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: This is not your This is not the shining new
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: toy draft like that might come next year hopefully, you know,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: but that this is a socks and underwear for Christmas dress.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Blue Kuala, Let's see, Michael writes him.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: We're going to pick on Evan a little bit more here,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: he says. Following the Patriots victory at Cincinnati, the esteemed
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: Evan Lazarre stated that he believed Stevenson was in the
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: conversation with McCaffrey and others for best impact running backs.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: Fast forward to today. Would you trade in or otherwise
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: draft to replace Stevenson? Maybe Drake skuy Hampton.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: I don't remember saying that, but I don't remember saying that.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: I remember saying that.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: I don't remember saying that, I'm gonna go with doesn't
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: sound like Evan, But.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: We were all kind of high after that game and
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: Stevens run.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: He had a great game. Yeah, did anybody ever consider
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: him one of the best running backs in football?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 16: Bee?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he said impact players.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: That's Christian McCaffrey's. I mean, that's that's a different I
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I would address it a big.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: Boy he said it.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 5: I would take a swing on a on the draft
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: pick this year, for sure.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: I heard them talking on one of my shows yesterday
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: about the possibility of trading Herman Seers.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: I think everything's on the table. That's it right now.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: That's another tough one though, in terms of and Zoe
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: were talking about the contract, like they just signed him
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: to this contract. So he's doing a lot of money
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: on that contract.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: But he's easily tradable, But what's the value going to be?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: It's already a devalued position, and on top of that,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: now he's being paid well to play that position.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: Is it worth well if you're just looking for assets
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: because you're thinking of bundling to go up, you know,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: maybe that's the.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: Fifth if you get a fourth or fifth round pick,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: what like? Do would you rather just have Hermandra Stevens,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying if you were helpent on trading him, sure,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: And I think that what they were doing, you know,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: in Beatle and Zoe's defense, Beatle was sort of talking about,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: you know, the style and depending on how they're going
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: to run the ball too right, you know, is Josh
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: going to go to that traditional gap power stuff that
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: Evan talks about all the time, And you were talking
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: about it with Rabes like, probably want to keep Stevenson.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: He's more suited to Jess.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: I definitely hope they are going that.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: If they stick with the zone stuff, then maybe you
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: move on because I don't think he's really suited to it.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: Good point eight five five PATS five hundred is the
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: eighth tp X hotline. Josh is in Tennessee. What's up, Josh? Josh?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: You're calling from Cold Strange land. Josh now going once
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: twice three, he's gone. We'll go to Agaam. Patty's there.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 15: What's up?
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  Speaker 10: Everyone?
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: Hey, hey, hey, Paul and Evan.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 10: That is a great fight. We need more of that
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 10: in the show.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Audrey says, bravo to all of you, and it
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: came fire and laughter is back. Well done, so Audrey approves.
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  Speaker 10: Great.
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  Speaker 13: Great.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 10: You guys were talking about like the game growing internationally
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 10: and possibly like getting you know, players to come out
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 10: come over here from other countries. Do you think that's
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 10: a good avenue to try and like maybe like get
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 10: off inensive lineman sort of like develop offensive line because
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 10: it seems like here in America, like with the growth
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 10: of seven on seven.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 15: We've were seen a lot of skill guys, like a
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 15: lot of cornerbacks, wide receivers, but it just seems to
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 15: be that the online talent seems to be brest. You know,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 15: it doesn't seem to be there like it used to be.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 15: And I'll take it off fair.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: Guys, Okay, yeah, I mean, if you're big and you're
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: fairly coordinated, a guy like Dante Scarnecia can mold you
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: into probably a good offensive lineman and but you've got
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: to have the measurables, and you know, like I said,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: you have to be somewhat coordinated. Yeah, yeah, sure, I.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Was a Sea Bass was in that category. Like he
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: played in college, but he didn't play a ton of American.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: Football, like two years at Houston or something like that.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was six y six and could move
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: and talk.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: I think.
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  Speaker 9: So those are the countries you kind of have to target, though,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 9: like your Germany's, like American Samola, places like that. I
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 9: find those big because like frankly, I don't think you're
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 9: going to find them in Brazil.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Germany.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: Let me a kicker, Yeah, a big guy.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Justin's in Kansas City. Hey Justin?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 20: Hey, what's going on guys?
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 20: So a quick question. I know that like kind of
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 20: the smart thing quote unquote to do is at fourth
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 20: grab abdul Carter. Uh, if he's available. I'm a big
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 20: Travis Hunter guy. If that guy's available, I don't think
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 20: he's going to be available. But how long do you
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 20: think that it is justifiable to kind of kick the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 20: can down the road when it comes to offensive tackle
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 20: and wide receiver, because it already feels like it's been
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 20: a very long time, you know, like with Trent Brown,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 20: it felt like that was kind of a stopgap with
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 20: wide receiver. It feels like he failed for like a
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 20: very long time in drafting wide receivers. Sometimes I have
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 20: been asking the question lately that like, is best player
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 20: available still the best route when building a football team
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 20: in every single instance? You know, Like I understand that,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 20: like we get into positional value and whatnot. But I
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 20: let's say, hypothetically, Will Campbell can be like Nate Solders
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 20: like and Abdul Carter is like this, like perennial all
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 20: Pro player like Nate Solder is not considered to be
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 20: an amazing all time Patriot, but he gave you something
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 20: that was extremely reliable that you didn't have to worry
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 20: about that offensive tackle position. Like how valuable is it
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 20: to just not have to worry about these positions anymore?
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like a lot, I mean, I mean yeah,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: I would just ask, justin do you have examples of
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: what you think as times where they aired by taking
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: the best player available as opposed to to filling a
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: need or vice versa.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 20: I'll give you one Specifically, I think that Christian Gonzalez
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 20: is a way better player than like Jackson Smith and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 20: the Jagbob. But I think we would feel more secure
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 20: as a team if we had a guy like j
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 20: Jackson the Jacobs.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: It's a good example. When did that they got the
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: better player? Oh, I think you can make an argument
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: that Jackson Smith and Jig is a better player than
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: Christian Gonzales. I think you could easily make that argument.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: I think you can make it the other way, just
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: as just as easy Gonzales is better than him. But
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: which one of them would be better for.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 20: The team that like? I think the consensus is that
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 20: Christian Gonzalez is like a top five to seven corner
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 20: and Jackson Smith the Jigs is not necessarily there yet.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 20: I think he can get there.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: But I think it's a different a different animal you're
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: asking about. I wouldn't put Gonzales in that company yet, But.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I kind of disagree. It was a
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: lot more receiver your original premise justin about the Patriots
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: kicking the can down the road. When it comes to why.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: They've certainly done that at tackle, I don't think they've
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: done it every summer.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: They just missing they're whipping.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they just took one that really the
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: first pick that they had a choice of anything, they
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: took a wide receiver.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: Last year, right, exactly right.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: I mean you had to take Drake may Att three, right,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: So the first pick that they had an option, they
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: took a wide receiver and they missed. Yeah, just what
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: three or four years earlier they took a wide receiver
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: in the first round and missed, right.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 6: And they were pursuing free agent wide receivers last year
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 6: as well and missed. But I think the tackle example
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: is a great one, and that's what we went into
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: that last season thinking they've ignored this position. There isn't
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: even really an attempt. And I mean, go back to
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 6: Isaiah Win. I think that's kind of where it started
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 6: to unravel a little bit.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: Is projecting him a little bit of I started unraveling
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: with Joe Toney.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but isaiahen was even before that.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: It started unraveling with Joe.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: I think it was Isaiah Win.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: But I think you tried to draft your next left tackle,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: like you had somebody, you know, with Matt Light and
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: with Nate Solder, and you have the next one and
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: he missed.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 6: Owt agreed, you got Trent Brown on the straight and
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: narrow for a year. That was maybe a fool's goal
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: that you were buying into.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: You tried to do it again. It didn't work out
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: the same way.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: But they haven't really tried since.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: Yea, they haven't. That's why I agree with it was
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: certainly not last year.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: The caller, I forget the caller's name now from Kansas
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: City was Justin. Justin, Justin and Kansas City.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: I agree with him.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: I think they've kicked that can down the road too much.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, with tackle, that's why it's appealing to just stabilize it.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: And you know, if it is like a Ronnie Stanley
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 6: is a little sure, but like you just get a
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 6: guy there where you're like, that is our left tackle come.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 6: You know, whatever happens, rain or shine, this is going
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 6: to be our guy next year. But like one other
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 6: point us talking about this, the key's popping in my
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: head is like you're never done.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: You're never like the.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 6: Offensive lines all set and then somebody goes down week
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: to U training camp and you're scrambling. I think it's
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 6: as much about getting the program back in shape, really
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 6: having coaches that you believe in and being able to
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: withstand the inevitable injuries that are going to all of
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 6: a sudden change it. You're just you're never also our personnel.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: We're all set, we're good. Let's just ride at the
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: super But.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: If you could get it to the point where, you know,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: use your Stanley and maybe they draft the tackle too.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: And now, like Kayden Wallace is sort of like a
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: third tackle type and inside you know you have David
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: Andrews back at center and wan who you feel pretty
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: good about it, right guard? I like the idea of
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: now I have Cole Strange or Leyden Robinson or whoever
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: else you want to put into the you know, Ben Brown,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: does he have any flexibility to play center? Or you
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: know Jake Andrews, you guys mentioned earlier in the show.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: I feel a little bit better about those are my third, fourth,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: and fifth options as opposed to I got to start
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: Ben Brown and de Madre Jacobs and Vederian Lowe.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: That's all I'm asking this year is like, can we
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 6: just get Leyden Robinson up to a serviceable level? Can
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: we just get Kayden Wallace up to a serviceable level?
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: Can we?
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: I mean the ship's probably sailed on city, so but
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 6: those kind of guys can just one, Yeah, maybe two
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 6: of those, that's all.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: I'm asking one or two.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Sheriff in town and his name is Doug, Doug Maroon.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think Frank will come up with what is
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: Reggia Hammond?
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 6: But it's just a great example of that position group.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 6: Because I've been here, you know, six seasons now, it's
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 6: been a different group every single year, different coaches. There's
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: no stability there coaches, there's no consistency and message. And
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 6: you realize how valuable that was, and then you get
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 6: away from it and you realize this year is a
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: blow up again, just like last year was, and you're
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 6: just trying desperately to find that stylity.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Sam's in Connecticut. Hey, Sam, Sam is no longer in Connecticut. Willson,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: Kentucky will love us all right, Hello.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 20: You on a forklift.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: I want to pay attention.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 14: What about Burden at nine?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: What did he say?
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 8: Luth?
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: But he is a head case man like you gotta
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: had a tough year. You gotta really make sure that
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: that some of the you know, diva wide receiver stuff
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: that he showed last year, like none of it's like
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be anything too serious, but just had
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: some meltdowns on the sideline and took him himself out
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: of games and stuff like that, so you gotta clear him.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: And oh yeah, I mean it's definitely frustration because he
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: wasn't getting the ball, but I mean that's still that's
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: always going to.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: Be part of a disappointing year in general.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he's Uh, he's an intriguing prospect. I love
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: Luther Burden on film, but I like.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: Him a lot.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: A guy driving around a forklift.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's a little bit when we start
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 6: working how field, the whole segment about forklift.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 9: The hands free on speaker, it's a good question.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: Good player player, I like him.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: Kyle and Pembroke has an over under off season over
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: under game like it off season. Let's see trades by
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: the Patriots one and a half.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: Over for the whole off season.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess over over over call calls per show
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: about Hunter versus Carter ten and A Hay already done that. Yeah,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Campbell's arm length thirty two and a Hay Next Sunday,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: I'll find please, I can't get here enough.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: I'm going to measure the guy's arms myself at this point,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: Like Jesus, tell me how long the arms are?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 8: How long?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: These are the things they keep them up.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: At over on bringing measuring, I say, over conversations about
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: washers and dryers four and a half.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately over I think we might be.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows why.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 9: That's usually once my favorite interior designer I follow, Just
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 9: like redid a whole client's laundry. It's not even like
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 9: a laundry closet. It's a huge room. Speed queens.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, there you go.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: That's where the designers go.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 6: You clean out your driver, you know what to look vacuum.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: Is that something a home owner should do? Well, they
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: will do that, but can't I just get a way
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: to get what events?
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: Your dry Yeah take a leaf. Oh geez, that's an
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: interesting idea.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: Not the one that you scoop out with your hand.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the one that goes to.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 9: The actual events.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: How do you do that?
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: You stick a little something in the.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: Stick things?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: I think it was.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you should. You should clean it out a little bit.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: But even if you have to, you know, take off
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: the you know, detach. It is the word I'm using.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: Words are heard. That's why we don't write your.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: Writers, Paul anymore your works.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Finally, Lawns Mode by Evan Hey.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have a lot to.
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  Speaker 5: Choose not to May was when we get into the moment, right.
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  Speaker 4: Man, I'm never going to love that one.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I'm never going to have to mow
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  Speaker 3: my law. There's so much ice on my grass.
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  Speaker 5: It's like a skating drink out.
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  Speaker 3: There's huge, huge piles of ice.
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  Speaker 2: It comes back, it always comes back right now. It's dormant, dormant.
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  Speaker 2: It's not suffering. It's dormant.
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  Speaker 4: Is it like Ted Williams, like.
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  Speaker 3: It's cut off head in cryogenics?
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  Speaker 2: Neil and New Brunswick's dormant, dormant, subtle thing some down
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  Speaker 2: Neil and New Brunswick. Does anyone know if Merrill Hodge
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: took a victory lap. I still hope he's wrong in
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: the long term. But is it true that he said
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: that Drake May is a coach killer and any team
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: at traft him will be firing their coach. That's exactly
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: what happened, not because it's Drake May. Actually I'm very
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: hopeful for Drake May. But he also had the most
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  Speaker 2: over over hype one not one and nine season in
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  Speaker 2: NFL history, in which he had ten interceptions nine fumbles.
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  Speaker 2: If a Jets rookie did that, we'd be calling it
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: a bus. We can see the potential, and I sincerely
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: hope with more help and better coaching, it's going to happen.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: The team has two seasons to decide if they want
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: to give him fifty million dollars a year. Also, do
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: you have any veteran quarterbacks you'd like to see come
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: in this offseason?
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  Speaker 4: The team has more than two seasons to decide whether
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: they're going to give him fifty million.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe three?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the fifth year option will be between
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: the year three and four, right, so at least.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: Have that's if he works, you want to that's that's
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: what that's when you re up him.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: After pretty easy assumption with the fifth year option, I think.
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  Speaker 8: What do we do?
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: What do we feel about a veteran backup?
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  Speaker 4: All set?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of don't need.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: It, kind of disinterested. I think you still need an arm.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: Do you think Joe Milton's the backup?
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: I hope so, I'd like to give him every chance
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  Speaker 5: to be. I wouldn't assume that's the case.
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  Speaker 6: I think I'd still bring somebody in, but it'd be
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 6: more like a not a Jacobe Brissette, but somebody even more.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: How much? How many games do you think they're gonna
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: win this year? Like, let me rephrase that if you
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: were if you were Mike Rabel, how many games do
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: you think he thinks they could win this year? Because
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: if they're gonnat, If he thinks they can win like
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: eight to nine, then I think a veteran backup is
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: more important. If he thinks it's gonna be still overbuilding,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: then I don't worry about it.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 6: Then Yeah, I'd say six to seven, and yeah, be
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 6: okay right with with somebody just to put.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: A little competing more than four can I just so
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: like some progress? It's all I'm looking for.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: I just wonder even less about the backup quarterback position,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 4: Like would it help Drake to have a Brian Hoyer?
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm not I'm just throwing that out there because
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: he's done it Joe right, Like would that help him
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 4: with the whole thing?
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: I would say, if you're not convinced that Joe Milton
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: can be the backup, then I think you need to
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: get one right.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: But I'm less worried about that then, like, does he
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: need somebody that isn't Josh McDaniels that can he can
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: maybe go to for for guidance and for advice and
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: you know that sort of stuff. I think Brian Hoyer,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: you know, was has been big in that kind of
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: capacity in the past for young quarterbacks and these but
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: working with and I don't know if it's necessarily him necessarily,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 4: but someone like that who has no, no doubt in
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: his mind that he is not pushing for any playing time, right,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: Like we're talking about a true clipboard holder type right, Yeah.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: All right, Well that's gonna be it for this edition
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: of the show. Alex has to get working on the newsletter.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: What else anything else I need to talk about before
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: we sign off here?
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 5: Combine next week we'll.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: Be we didn't get your Saturday Night Live thoughts that
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: we'll do that.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked about that last show. I thought it
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: was a big disappointment.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: I don't remember talking about it on the show, but
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: you know, you know that.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: I thought I thought we did. Yeah, No, there was
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: a disappointment. All right. So when are you guys leaving
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: for the Combine?
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  Speaker 4: Monday?
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: Monday, Monday morning.
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