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Hutton & Withrow: Lane Being Lane: Why College Football’s Biggest Villain Can’t Help Himself | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: Chad, week one matters. In the National Football League, playoffs,
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Speaker 1: just talking postseason, teams that win in week one have
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Speaker 1: a 59% chance of making the playoffs. That drops to 25%
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Speaker 1: for the teams that lose and start 0-1. Winning the division,
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Speaker 1: teams that win in week one have a 35% chance
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Speaker 1: of winning their division. It drops to 16% if you
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Speaker 1: lose the opener. And that goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 1: Of course, 1-0 matters versus 0-1. But there are some
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Speaker 1: huge matchups this year that will be scattered across, what,
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Speaker 1: four or five days. You've got, and I'm bringing five
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Speaker 1: to the table that I think will factor in come
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Speaker 1: end of December. Specifically, you've got San Francisco taking on
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, 49ers Rams, Broncos and Chiefs, Packers Vikings, Bills
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Speaker 1: and Texans, and Ravens Colts. This is where I'm going
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Speaker 1: with the best matchups for week one. Let's start at
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Speaker 1: the very top here. This is the NFL's debut in Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: It's actually winter there, and it'll be in the 40s
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Speaker 1: whenever they play. Stafford, Puketukua, Devontae Adams, Miles Garrett, Aaron Donald. Defensively,
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Speaker 1: McDuffie and Watson are playing corner, and then you have
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Speaker 1: On the flip side, the 49ers, who have been banged
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Speaker 1: up but continue to win, they've had their fair share
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Speaker 1: of wins against the Rams as of late, but it's
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Speaker 1: the Rams who dominate week one. And then the travel factor.
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Speaker 1: The 49ers went ahead and took a party of like
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Speaker 1: 200 people over to Melbourne, like, what, 10 days in
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Speaker 1: advance or something like that. And meanwhile, the Rams, they're
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Speaker 1: going to just fly in and fly out. And they're
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Speaker 1: going to keep everything on Pacific time zone. This is
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Speaker 1: like a 15 or 16 hour flight. And I think
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Speaker 1: the travel factors in. I'm fascinated to see which coach
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Speaker 1: made the right call on the time zone flip. Because
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Speaker 1: that is a quick turn going from the West Coast
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Speaker 1: to Australia and coming straight back.
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Speaker 2: Hunt, it feels like a lot more pressure on the
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Speaker 2: 49ers having been there longer. in doing that. If you're
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Speaker 2: Sean McVay and you can successfully fly in and fly
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Speaker 2: out and treat it more like a regular game and
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Speaker 2: not completely get off your schedule, that's a huge win
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Speaker 2: for the Rams if they're able to go down there
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Speaker 2: and get that win.
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Speaker 1: How about this? So the Ocean Freight, back in April,
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Speaker 1: the NFL, they have a huge cargo ship and they
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Speaker 1: told both teams, hey, Ship over whatever you can. This
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Speaker 1: is April. Whatever you need for the game that you
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Speaker 1: can go ahead and ship, bring it to us. Because
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Speaker 1: they shipped over, like, goalposts and all these things. And
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Speaker 1: so it arrived in June. And they've had all this
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Speaker 1: equipment over there for a winter game since June. But
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Speaker 1: it took two months on this cargo ship. And you've
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Speaker 1: got the security laws there.
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Speaker 2: There were, like....
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Speaker 1: You've got whey and protein powders that weren't even allowed
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Speaker 1: in by the country that the 49ers sent over there.
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Speaker 1: It's been crazy how far in advance they've had to
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Speaker 1: play this one game all for week one as the
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Speaker 1: NFL goes international. It's a massive game, too, in that division.
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Speaker 2: I would not want to be the person in charge
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Speaker 2: of organizing the travel for these things because it is
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Speaker 2: like mobilizing an army for war. when you're talking about
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Speaker 2: all the rations you have to bring, everything that we
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Speaker 2: don't really think about as just a fan that they're
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Speaker 2: taking into this. I think they probably get a little
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Speaker 2: too serious about it too. Some travel departments act like
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Speaker 2: they're actually preparing for the invasion of Normandy when they
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Speaker 2: travel abroad for these things. You could probably pack a
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Speaker 2: little bit lighter in what you do and go the
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Speaker 2: Rams approach in how they're handling it like a normal
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Speaker 2: road game. But there's also a lot of things that
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Speaker 2: you have to have that you can't screw up, and
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Speaker 2: you've got to understand different countries' customs. You've got to
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Speaker 2: understand what's allowed, what's not. It's a huge undertaking for
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Speaker 2: these teams to make this happen. But here's what we know, Hutton,
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Speaker 2: and something you've said a lot, is that this isn't
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Speaker 2: going away. No. The international element of the NFL is
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Speaker 2: here to stay, and it's only going to become more
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Speaker 2: and more. Roger Goodell himself has said there's eventually going
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Speaker 2: to be a team overseas. Yep.
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Speaker 1: And shipping all this stuff back, the teams are combining
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Speaker 1: everything into a huge plane. They're using the same stuff.
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Speaker 1: Broncos and Chiefs. Here we go. Broncos, winners of the division.
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Speaker 1: They head into Arrowhead. You've got Bo Nix and Patrick
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Speaker 1: Mahomes coming off of injury. You have Kelsey back for
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Speaker 1: another year. Jalen Waddell is now in Denver. Broncos defense
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Speaker 1: is elite. Kenneth Walker III is now in the backfield
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Speaker 1: for Kansas City. The Chiefs have nine division titles over
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Speaker 1: the last decade. But it's Denver... that was a game
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Speaker 1: away and maybe without the injury, they're playing in the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Is Denver for real or is Kansas City
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Speaker 1: being overlooked a little too soon given the fact that
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is still the quarterback for the Chiefs? This
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Speaker 1: is one of those games we'll look back on in
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Speaker 1: December and think that this 17-13 game or a 24-21 game,
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Speaker 1: that factored in a lot more than we thought.
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Speaker 2: Denver's definitely being overlooked. That's the way I look at it.
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Speaker 2: I hope they are, too, because my hard rock bet
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Speaker 2: futures has Denver winning that division. So, yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: Denver's being overlooked going into this game and going into
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Speaker 2: the season. They're underappreciated. They got the third best odds.
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Speaker 2: They're picked to finish third in that division based on
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Speaker 2: hard rock bet odds. I think this is a huge one,
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Speaker 2: and I'm glad you're talking about it because not just
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Speaker 2: from Denver's standpoint, but are the chiefs back? You know, what,
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Speaker 2: what are the chiefs? Also Travis Kelsey still playing. Um,
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Speaker 2: I I'm, I'm surprised, right? Like I, I just, that
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Speaker 2: still pops in every now and again. I'm like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: he didn't retire. He's still on the roster. Like I
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Speaker 2: just assumed he was married to Taylor Swift and no
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Speaker 2: longer playing in the NFL, but.
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Speaker 3: He's, Hey, still got to get away.
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Speaker 1: I guess one more, we'll give it one more go. I, uh,
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Speaker 1: the Packers and Vikings, um, For the Vikings, it's hard
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Speaker 1: to know how they're going to look on the field.
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Speaker 1: New starting quarterback. They've changed over some things. A lot
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Speaker 1: of new phases on the roster. But a solid performance
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Speaker 1: against their division rival will go a long way here.
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Speaker 1: And it's Green Bay who's not looking like themselves, at
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Speaker 1: least on the depth chart. Josh Jacobs isn't going to
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Speaker 1: be playing here. He's on the commissioner's exempt list. They
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Speaker 1: have Micah Parson who's starting the season on IR. They
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Speaker 1: have a banged up offensive line. So there are things
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Speaker 1: that Minnesota can take advantage of with Brian Flores in
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Speaker 1: a very aggressive defense. But it was Green Bay that
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Speaker 1: figures things out in a crunch time. And Kyler Murray
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Speaker 1: is trying to be the next Sam Darnold with a
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Speaker 1: coach that turned Darnold around on a one-year contract. So
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Speaker 1: buckle up. I think this is going to be a
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Speaker 1: great matchup.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. It's crazy because... I'm looking at
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Speaker 2: the whole week one slate, Hutton, and week one is
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Speaker 2: week one, and then it's everything else. We know that.
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Speaker 2: Things change a lot. But we got so many games,
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Speaker 2: and these five are great examples of them. I feel
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Speaker 2: like we're actually going to know something about the two
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Speaker 2: teams after one game. It's not just going to be, okay,
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Speaker 2: just throw that away. That was week one. It's really nothing.
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Speaker 2: I feel like we're going to learn a lot.
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Speaker 1: Buffalo and Houston.
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Speaker 2: Houston.
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Speaker 1: Don't overlook the Texans. Both teams went 12-5 a season ago.
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Speaker 1: And they won a playoff game before they were bounced
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Speaker 1: in the divisional round. So on paper, they're opposites of
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Speaker 1: one another.
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Speaker 2: C.J.
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Speaker 1: Stroud's trying to find that rookie season magic again. They
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Speaker 1: had offensive line overhaul. Great defense in Houston. Solid coach.
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Speaker 1: A legitimate AFC contender. But so is Buffalo. They're expected
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Speaker 1: to be that. Houston's pass rush gets after it. This
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Speaker 1: is a litmus test for a Bills offensive line that's
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Speaker 1: been overhauled to protect the quarterback after Allen was sacked
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Speaker 1: like eight or nine times by Houston a year ago.
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Speaker 1: So Joe Brady debuts as the head coach here. This
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Speaker 1: is a lot like number five on my list with
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Speaker 1: the Ravens and the Colts. This may be like a
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Speaker 1: tiebreaker scenario for the AFC for either just making the
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Speaker 1: playoffs or a higher seed, better matchup, better path to
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Speaker 1: the AFC championship game. The time is now for Houston
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Speaker 1: and the time is now for C.J. Stroud. It's not
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Speaker 1: a must-win game here, but we get to see how
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Speaker 1: teams level up and how these coaches level up.
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Speaker 2: It feels like D'Amico Ryans has got something for Josh
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Speaker 2: Allen and Joe Brady in that offense. I feel like
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Speaker 2: that's another team that the Chiefs a year ago had
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Speaker 2: the down year. I feel like the Texans are prime
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Speaker 2: for a big year in the AFC South, and I
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Speaker 2: just have this sense that it's going to be tough
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Speaker 2: sledding for Josh Allen. in week one with a really
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Speaker 2: good Texans defense and a really good defensive mind as
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Speaker 2: head coach in Ryan's, that's one I'm going to be
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Speaker 2: keeping an eye on.
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Speaker 1: Chad, my fifth game, not Titans-Jets, unfortunately. No, no. It's
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Speaker 1: Baltimore and Indianapolis. Big test. Two AFC teams right out
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Speaker 1: of the gate here. I mentioned the tiebreaker scenario thing.
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Speaker 1: You've got the Ravens. They still have the AFC title expectations. Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm still liking what they have. The Colts, 7-1 to
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Speaker 1: start last year. I keep thinking about the way they
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Speaker 1: finished with the injuries instead of the way they started.
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Speaker 1: They were boat racing opponents. Lamar Jackson against Daniel Jones here.
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Speaker 1: You've got Derrick Henry against Jonathan Taylor. The coaching storylines.
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Speaker 1: For the first time since 2008, Baltimore has a new
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Speaker 1: head coach in Jesse Minter who comes to Baltimore from
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Speaker 1: the Chargers where he served as the DC. You've got
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Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator in Declan Doyle who was in Chicago
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Speaker 1: last year, who's only like nine months older than his
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Speaker 1: quarterback in Lamar Jackson. This is a big switch for Baltimore.
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Speaker 1: We'll see if it works. And this is a big
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Speaker 1: test for Indianapolis. They're hosting the game, but it's Baltimore
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Speaker 1: who is favored in this. I would be locked in
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Speaker 1: on that one.
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Speaker 2: And we forget that last year, that great start you mentioned,
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Speaker 2: but Phillip Rivers was the quarterback last year. of the
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Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts for a stretch of last year, too. So that, too, happened.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about two vastly different seasons
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Speaker 2: for the Colts? They were 7-1 at one point, and
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Speaker 2: then Phillip Rivers was quarterbacking, and they became a national
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Speaker 2: story because of that.
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Speaker 1: The storyline of Week 1 divisional matchups. San Francisco... and
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles lead the way for me whenever they play
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Speaker 1: on Thursday in Melbourne, followed by the AFC West, Denver,
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Speaker 1: and Kansas City. We head to the NFC for Green Bay, Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: Buffalo and Houston's going to be a great game, and
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Speaker 1: so will Baltimore and Indianapolis whenever they meet in Week
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Speaker 1: 1 for the matchups across the NFL. Chad, we've got
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Speaker 1: uniforms to talk about. We have gold retrievers to discuss.
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Speaker 1: and a bit more across college football. We'll get back
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Speaker 1: Speaking of just the area I was thinking about for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, Davy Crockett High School. And it made me
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Speaker 1: think about the video that Tennessee put out with Dolly Parton. Phenomenal.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: It was really good. Really good.
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Speaker 2: Ten out of ten. My Tennessee Mountain Home, the song.
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Speaker 2: And that's also now the fourth quarter song. For Tennessee football,
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Speaker 2: where they're trying to get everybody to sing along to
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Speaker 2: Dolly Parton going into the fourth quarter of games at
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Speaker 2: Neyland Stadium. Really well done. We have recently hired someone
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Speaker 2: at Sporting State that's got some ties to Knoxville and
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Speaker 2: Tennessee's social media team. That department knocks it out of
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Speaker 2: the park all the time. I am always amazed by
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Speaker 2: the level of production and what they get done. And
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Speaker 2: they are producing people who are leading NFL social media teams.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's That's been a good pipeline for people
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Speaker 2: to get into social media for different teams across sports.
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Speaker 2: It's been really cool to see.
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Speaker 1: Chad, not cool to see Notre Dame and Wisconsin uniforms.
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Speaker 1: The Irish took over in the second half, ended up covering.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, the screen says it all there. An eyesore
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Speaker 1: for us.
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Speaker 2: I do not understand electing to play a game at
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Speaker 2: legendary old school Lambeau Field. And in response to getting
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Speaker 2: a game at a neutral side, at legendary old school
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Speaker 2: Lambeau Field, where you think about the classic Green Bay
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Speaker 2: Packers uniforms with the yellow helmet and the G and
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Speaker 2: the green and the yellow, the whole nine yards. You
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Speaker 2: think about that Packers uniform. And then you're going to
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Speaker 2: go into that game with two teams with classic unis
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Speaker 2: in Notre Dame and Wisconsin. And you're going to look
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Speaker 2: like you're on a mission to Mars with whatever Wisconsin
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Speaker 2: is wearing. And you couldn't even make out the numbers.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that was a hellacious game, if you're calling
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Speaker 2: it from a press box, trying to figure out who's who.
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Speaker 2: The uniform meets the venue. No, that doesn't say Titletown
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Speaker 2: to me. Let's just say that. No, but just wear
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Speaker 2: your uniforms. We all know what Wisconsin and Notre Dame
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Speaker 2: uniforms look like. Let's put those two classic unis on
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Speaker 2: the field, head-to-head, At Lambeau Field. Don't go with some
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Speaker 2: new age fluff when you're putting on uniforms for this game.
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Speaker 1: It's overthinking it. That's all it is. I like Notre
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Speaker 1: Dame's uniforms. I just don't like it in this game.
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Speaker 1: I like the gold or whatever. I like the combo.
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Speaker 1: I just don't want to see. I want it to
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Speaker 1: be old school. I want it to be the program.
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Speaker 1: I want to turn on the TV and know who's playing.
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Speaker 1: I didn't do that yesterday. If you're going to, speaking
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Speaker 1: of the program. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: This side, over my shoulder over here. Got the new
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Speaker 2: poster up. Terrific. Looking for other vintage, obscure sports movie posters.
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Speaker 2: So if anyone has ideas, please hit us up in
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Speaker 2: the YouTube chat. DM me. Let me know what you
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Speaker 2: think I should get. I thought it was an atrocious
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Speaker 2: decision for those uniforms. Those are uniforms I'd wear if
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Speaker 2: I'm playing a game on a battleship. or if I'm
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Speaker 2: playing a game in the Sphere in Vegas, not if
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Speaker 2: I'm playing a game in Lambeau Field. As you said, Hutton,
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Speaker 2: the uniform needs to meet the venue. And in this case,
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Speaker 2: wear your classic uniforms if you're Notre Dame and Wisconsin
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Speaker 2: and don't wear that. Here's another takeaway from last night's game.
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Speaker 2: Luke Fickle's done. Luke Fickle's done at Wisconsin. That was
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Speaker 2: an uninspired team outside of getting off to a hot
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Speaker 2: start and being in it for a little while. I'm
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Speaker 2: watching that game late and then trying to score late
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Speaker 2: in the game with Notre Dame in a prevent defense
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Speaker 2: and not being able to do anything. And yes, I
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Speaker 2: did have money on that game with Hard Rock Bet.
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Speaker 2: And yes, I lost because they couldn't go score a
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Speaker 2: meaningless touchdown for a backdoor cover late. So yes, I
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Speaker 2: was angry about that too. I think Luke Fickle is
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Speaker 2: going to have a hard time keeping his job at Wisconsin,
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Speaker 2: even to the end of the year. I think this
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Speaker 2: could be, and that's not a Wisconsin thing to do usually,
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Speaker 2: but this could be a mid-season decision for Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: It was cool when the tight end caught the pass
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Speaker 1: or caught the touchdown or whatever. And the broadcast pointed
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Speaker 1: out that what his father and grandfather both played for
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Speaker 1: the Packers. That was pretty cool. Look, CJ Carr, I
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Speaker 1: like him. I'm curious to see how he develops over
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Speaker 1: the course of the season. And here's the transfer portal
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Speaker 1: coming to play a huge factor with the pick six
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Speaker 1: in the game. You know, broke it wide open there.
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Speaker 1: So Notre Dame looks ready for another playoff run. And
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Speaker 1: as we know, if they just keep it to two losses,
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Speaker 1: three for that matter, the committee is going to put
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Speaker 1: them in. And they've got like, I think they've got
19:29
Speaker 1: maybe three more tough games. This is, we know there's,
19:32
Speaker 1: when I say tough games, Chad, you know what I mean?
19:34
Speaker 1: This is not the gauntlet run that some of these
19:37
Speaker 1: other programs are going to be making. They benefit from
19:40
Speaker 1: their schedule and, you know, they can have a hiccup
19:44
Speaker 1: and still make the playoff. And they certainly didn't allow
19:48
Speaker 1: that to happen against Wisconsin.
19:51
Speaker 2: I know it wasn't, it's week one, and we could
19:54
Speaker 2: preface everything we say today and this week about that
19:56
Speaker 2: with these games. It could not have gone any worse
19:58
Speaker 2: for the Big Ten or better for the SEC in
20:01
Speaker 2: week one. The SEC, for the first time in a
20:03
Speaker 2: long time, maybe ever, goes 16-0. for their conference over
20:07
Speaker 2: the first week. And they had some tough games in there.
20:10
Speaker 2: We mentioned Auburn surviving, Ole Miss, LSU pounds, Clemson has
20:15
Speaker 2: only a 10-point favorite, 51-10. But not only that, I mean,
20:18
Speaker 2: everybody completely dominated their overmatched opponent the way they should
20:23
Speaker 2: outside of Arkansas. Who stumbled around, who may be even
20:27
Speaker 2: a little bit worse than we thought, against North Alabama.
20:30
Speaker 2: And Vandy, who I thought stumbled around quite a while,
20:33
Speaker 2: did not look good. But outside of that, everybody else
20:35
Speaker 2: looked good. Now look at the Big Ten. You've got
20:38
Speaker 2: Jed Fish yelling at sideline reporters. because his team can't
20:41
Speaker 2: get half a yard to close the half out against
20:43
Speaker 2: Washington State. By the way, people, Washington State no longer
20:46
Speaker 2: in the Pac-12, no longer a powerful team the way
20:50
Speaker 2: they were under Mike Leach, a bad football team. You've
20:53
Speaker 2: got Rutgers losing. You've got Michigan losing. Let's face it,
20:56
Speaker 2: they got an extra play, but they lost. They're losing
21:01
Speaker 2: the public appeal today also. You had Oregon in a battle.
21:07
Speaker 2: with Boise State as a big favorite even, right? And
21:10
Speaker 2: I know Boise State typically plays Oregon well and all that,
21:14
Speaker 2: but Oregon did not look great in that game. I
21:17
Speaker 2: thought a lot of teams just underwhelmed in the Big
21:20
Speaker 2: Ten this past weekend. Compared to the SEC, it wasn't
21:23
Speaker 2: even close. I mean, we're one week into the season, but,
21:26
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're going to shape perception throughout the year,
21:30
Speaker 2: conference to conference, based on who should get more teams
21:33
Speaker 2: in the college football playoff, week one goes to the SEC.
21:36
Speaker 3: In a knockout.
21:38
Speaker 2: Not even a technical knockout. In an absolute knockout, the
21:41
Speaker 2: SEC looked better top to bottom than the Big Ten
21:43
Speaker 2: in one week.
21:44
Speaker 1: In week two, we're going to see the conferences match
21:47
Speaker 1: up head to head as well. I like the fact
21:51
Speaker 1: that we're seeing on campus, Oklahoma take on Michigan. And
21:57
Speaker 1: then we'll see Tennessee, Georgia Tech's another one. I know
21:59
Speaker 1: that's not Big Ten, but that's a measuring type game
22:03
Speaker 1: right there.
22:04
Speaker 2: Tennessee Oakland was a 13.5 point favor in that game.
22:06
Speaker 2: You also have Minnesota versus Mississippi State. Two teams sort
22:10
Speaker 2: of at the same level of their conferences going head-to-head
22:14
Speaker 2: in a toss-up game with Mississippi State on the road
22:17
Speaker 2: at Minnesota. Some opportunities for head-to-head for sure.
22:20
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Oregon game against Boise. Jenny Dell, I
22:26
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out here because this is
22:28
Speaker 1: like the opposite halftime report of what we would hear
22:33
Speaker 1: or what we have heard in the past. There was
22:41
Speaker 1: another sideline reporter who admitted to making stuff up. Other
22:44
Speaker 1: than Aaron Andrews, there was someone else.
22:47
Speaker 2: Karissa Thompson.
22:48
Speaker 1: Thank you, yes. When they can't talk to a coach
22:51
Speaker 1: or the coach is boring, they'll add in details just
22:53
Speaker 1: to make it a report.
22:54
Speaker 2: Or they'll make up a conversation that didn't happen.
22:58
Speaker 1: There's no way Jenny Dell made this up on CBS.
23:04
Speaker 4: Dan Lanning quite fired up. I'm going to choose my
23:07
Speaker 4: words with this one. He said we need to turn
23:08
Speaker 4: it up and turn it on.
23:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is very.
23:14
Speaker 4: Disappointed with the way that this team came out. He
23:16
Speaker 4: said we came out flat. We are beating ourselves. We
23:18
Speaker 4: have to stop with the silly mistakes. Guys, he said
23:20
Speaker 4: you are going to see a very different energy out
23:23
Speaker 4: of this team in the second half.
23:24
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be interesting at halftime,
23:26
Speaker 1: and apparently it was. I got to ask, Jenny, can
23:29
Speaker 1: you imagine what the energy was in that locker room?
23:32
Speaker 4: I would not have wanted to be in there. Just
23:35
Speaker 4: talking to him afterwards, I will also say offensively, he
23:37
Speaker 4: said we need to win on conversion downs. I'll throw
23:40
Speaker 4: that in there as well.
23:41
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's good clean fun. Good clean fun is
23:46
Speaker 1: really funny to me. Chad, I don't have an issue
23:51
Speaker 1: with Oregon after watching this game. They will be the
23:56
Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks throughout this season because of their coach, because
24:01
Speaker 1: of the locked-in approach that Dan Lanning's bringing.
24:04
Speaker 2: Well, and I think it's twofold here. Dante Moore looked
24:06
Speaker 2: the part of a Heisman contender, too. He played well.
24:10
Speaker 2: He had a great statistical game against Boise State. So
24:14
Speaker 2: that's where I feel good about it. Flip that to Michigan,
24:16
Speaker 2: and it's not just, boy, Michigan almost lost to Western Michigan.
24:21
Speaker 2: They couldn't score. Against Western Michigan. What is their identity?
24:26
Speaker 2: We know what Kyle Whittingham, his identity was at Utah,
24:29
Speaker 2: but what is their identity? With Bryce Underwood as their quarterback,
24:32
Speaker 2: I have a hard time answering that watching that game.
24:36
Speaker 2: I feel pretty down on Michigan after one game, rightfully so.
24:41
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Hutton. It was closer than I thought.
24:43
Speaker 2: The defense got carved up with the run game by
24:46
Speaker 2: Boise more than I was expecting in that one. They
24:49
Speaker 2: got a lot of things to figure out there. You
24:50
Speaker 2: got a number of games where Coaches are leaving the
24:53
Speaker 2: game saying, boy, we've got a lot to work on.
24:55
Speaker 2: We're nowhere near a finished product. I'm watching last night
25:00
Speaker 2: and Ole Miss and Pete Golding postgame saying, boy, thrilled
25:04
Speaker 2: to get a win. That's a really good team over there,
25:06
Speaker 2: but we've got a lot of work to do. That
25:08
Speaker 2: was his takeaway after the game. Six minutes, four minutes left,
25:12
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of teams. Again,
25:16
Speaker 2: we know it's week one. There's a lot of teams,
25:23
Speaker 2: a lot of work to do. I just feel like
25:25
Speaker 2: I watch some teams and I say, this is what
25:28
Speaker 2: they're going to be. I watch LSU and I got
25:30
Speaker 2: a pretty good idea of what they're going to be
25:31
Speaker 2: all year. And to me, what we saw was a
25:33
Speaker 2: playoff team. That's a team I know Clay wrote about
25:36
Speaker 2: it starting 11. And I'm kind of with Clay on
25:38
Speaker 2: this philosophy. They should be the number one team in America.
25:41
Speaker 2: You know, if you're going into preseason with here are
25:43
Speaker 2: the preseason expectations, you then, once you get one week
25:46
Speaker 2: of games, you got to reset each week about what
25:49
Speaker 2: you saw. And no one was more impressive than LSU.
25:52
Speaker 2: this past weekend. So I'd be fine with them being
25:54
Speaker 2: the number one team, like Clay wrote in his column.
25:57
Speaker 2: You can read it at sportandstate.com. But they're not going
26:01
Speaker 2: to be. But I do think I watch LSU, Hutton,
26:03
Speaker 2: and I say, they are going to get after you
26:06
Speaker 2: on defense with Blake Baker's defense. We know what Lane
26:09
Speaker 2: Kiffin can do offensively. He's got another guy who can
26:12
Speaker 2: run the football in Sam Leavitt, who had some really
26:14
Speaker 2: good runs in that game, and he can really utilize
26:17
Speaker 2: the guys like that within his offense. I feel like
26:20
Speaker 2: I know what LSU is going to be throughout the season.
26:23
Speaker 2: I came away from certain games not really knowing. A
26:25
Speaker 2: game that I stayed up and watched late was Nico
26:28
Speaker 2: and UCLA against Cal. How was that? I thought Nico
26:31
Speaker 2: played well. His stats didn't really show it. He threw
26:36
Speaker 2: for like 145, 150 yards. He ran the ball pretty
26:39
Speaker 2: well at times. But UCLA wins 45-24 because Cal turns
26:43
Speaker 2: it over three times, and UCLA's defense made some big
26:46
Speaker 2: plays and set UCLA up. But UCLA looked better than
26:49
Speaker 2: I thought. And I think that's the Bob Chesney effect
26:52
Speaker 2: coming over from James Madison right away. I think Nico's
26:56
Speaker 2: going to have a good year. I mean, I really do.
26:57
Speaker 2: I think UCLA could surprise in the Big Ten, especially
27:00
Speaker 2: given the way the conference looked for most of the day.
27:03
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of the Nebraska game with Angie
27:05
Speaker 2: watching it. Very underwhelmed. They're in a dogfight. Most of
27:09
Speaker 2: the first half into the third quarter with Ohio. I just–
27:13
Speaker 2: it's tough to really like– What you saw in the
27:16
Speaker 2: Big Ten. And oh, by the way, my South Dakota
27:17
Speaker 2: State Jackrabbits. We'll get into our hard rock picks later.
27:21
Speaker 2: Had a great chance.
27:22
Speaker 1: I followed you on that game.
27:23
Speaker 2: Down a score. And then I know that Northwestern scored late,
27:27
Speaker 2: but they lose 34-18. But yeah, I don't think the
27:30
Speaker 2: Jackrabbits played very well. But Northwestern maybe is a team,
27:33
Speaker 2: just like UCLA, that maybe they end up being a
27:36
Speaker 2: little bit better than we expected.
27:38
Speaker 1: Chad, coming up, John Talty will join us. We're going
27:40
Speaker 1: to discuss a lot of Lane Kiffin. We'll talk more about...
27:44
Speaker 1: Kiffin off the field and and what makes everything tick
27:48
Speaker 1: with him being willing to play the villain we'll mention
27:50
Speaker 1: him a lot more in that setting than what we
27:52
Speaker 1: saw on game day where you know we we're going
27:54
Speaker 1: to see more of a gold retriever than we will
27:57
Speaker 1: uh asking questions about uh Lane Kiffin and when he's
28:01
Speaker 1: on set it was uh Chad you know I love
28:05
Speaker 1: dogs and I love gold retrievers you do this one
28:08
Speaker 1: this one annoys me having a mascot is one thing
28:12
Speaker 1: that's fine But the constant, you know, the therapy dog
28:18
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then we're seeing this where they've got
28:22
Speaker 1: a pop-up shop now for Peter. You know, okay, but
28:27
Speaker 1: does it have to be forced? Can we not just
28:30
Speaker 1: have it where, you know, it looks like I'm not
28:33
Speaker 1: trying to spread joy as it says here. This doesn't
28:35
Speaker 1: bring me joy. This just annoys me. And I can't
28:38
Speaker 1: help but admit that.
28:40
Speaker 2: I like spectacle. I like big events. You do too, Hutton.
28:44
Speaker 2: I know we both like professional wrestling from that standpoint.
28:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, the production.
28:49
Speaker 2: But the Disneyfication of ESPN is overkill at times. And
28:56
Speaker 2: I'll say it started with the start of the show
28:58
Speaker 2: when Laney Wilson does the theme song live to open it.
29:03
Speaker 1: And not good.
29:04
Speaker 2: And I remember sitting there and turning to Angie watching,
29:06
Speaker 2: you know, got my coffee, got breakfast, had breakfast. Two
29:10
Speaker 2: of Evie's friends over spending the night eating cinnamon rolls,
29:12
Speaker 2: and I'm watching them start a game day before driving
29:14
Speaker 2: them to practice. And I turn to Angie and I say,
29:18
Speaker 2: the Disneyfication of all things football and college football on ESPN,
29:23
Speaker 2: I don't mind creating spectacle and creating big events. They
29:27
Speaker 2: do a good job of that. But some of this
29:29
Speaker 2: is just overkill. I'm thinking, this is too much with
29:32
Speaker 2: Laney Wilson. The dog stuff. The dog is very cute.
29:35
Speaker 2: They cut away to the dog with a hat on, Peter,
29:38
Speaker 2: in the bus. that Herb Street's on. I'm like, it's
29:41
Speaker 2: a really cute dog. But then when you take it
29:44
Speaker 2: and you monetize it with a pop-up shop, I don't know.
29:48
Speaker 2: I'm not some 90-year-old guy screaming from my front lawn saying,
29:52
Speaker 2: stick to football, stick to football and all that. It
29:54
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be like that. I think the kicking
29:56
Speaker 2: contest is awesome. Like with McAfee, that's a really cool
29:59
Speaker 2: thing they've done. And it's a really cool activity. Some
30:03
Speaker 2: of it, man, it's just too much.
30:05
Speaker 1: It's like Doug the Pug is funny because it's an
30:08
Speaker 1: ugly dog. If they're showing that, whenever. It's overkill. It's
30:13
Speaker 1: all the time.
30:15
Speaker 2: It's in the booth.
30:17
Speaker 1: At the games at night. Like I just said, do
30:21
Speaker 1: it once and just let me do something else. It's just,
30:25
Speaker 1: it comes down to just like hit the, I want
30:28
Speaker 1: more of the hard hitting news than what we're getting.
30:31
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be all of that, Chad, but
30:33
Speaker 1: I need some of it.
30:36
Speaker 2: In honest analysis, right? Like I think when they're at
30:39
Speaker 2: their best, Saban's getting irritated about something because he saw
30:44
Speaker 2: something that really crawls under his skin. and he's going
30:46
Speaker 2: to give you the honest assessment. Everyone on that show
30:49
Speaker 2: is really good at what they do. They're polished professionals
30:54
Speaker 2: to be on a television set, on a desk, and
30:57
Speaker 2: do the job they do. Reese Davis is terrific. He's excellent.
31:01
Speaker 2: Desmond Howard's good. Nick Saban's great. Kirk Herbstreit is an
31:05
Speaker 2: all-timer and really good at what he does and has
31:07
Speaker 2: done it for years and years. He's great at calling games.
31:10
Speaker 2: He's the rare guy who's really good at calling games
31:12
Speaker 2: in a booth. He's really good on a desk too.
31:14
Speaker 3: Yes.
31:15
Speaker 2: And does a great job. I just, I want more
31:17
Speaker 2: of them at times and less Laney Wilson live in
31:20
Speaker 2: Baton Rouge opening it and less Peter's pop-up store and
31:25
Speaker 2: less explanation of old red, the flag that flies, you know,
31:30
Speaker 2: at every college game day. Like it's the, it's the,
31:34
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, it's the masturbatory part
31:38
Speaker 2: of college game day and ESPN that gets a little
31:42
Speaker 2: gross and much like it was gross when McAfee and
31:45
Speaker 2: Kiffin were having a psychology study together about two of
31:49
Speaker 2: the most hated men in America and how he really
31:51
Speaker 2: had to rely on Pat McAfee throughout the week. And
31:54
Speaker 2: everyone's just applauding. Come on. At some point, let's get
31:56
Speaker 2: over ourselves a little bit and let's get back to
31:59
Speaker 2: talking about the game some more.
32:00
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32:03
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32:06
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Speaker 1: Is the book from John Talti, the biography on all
33:08
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33:11
Speaker 1: joining us this morning, man.
33:12
Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys having me on.
33:15
Speaker 1: What is it about Lane Kiffin that allows fans to
33:19
Speaker 1: both hate the guy but forgive him enough to where
33:23
Speaker 1: they would actually want him to be their coach? Tennessee
33:27
Speaker 1: certainly did this recently. He's the villain at Ole Miss.
33:32
Speaker 1: but he continues to get all the pub he wants.
33:37
Speaker 5: He's entertaining, and I think he has that Howard Stern
33:41
Speaker 5: kind of quality to him where you can't wait to
33:43
Speaker 5: see what he's going to do next and even talking
33:46
Speaker 5: to Ole Miss I was talking to an Ole Miss
33:47
Speaker 5: booster who's obviously not a huge fan of Lane Kiffin
33:50
Speaker 5: now but it was like I miss him I miss
33:52
Speaker 5: waking up like what is he going to tweet today
33:54
Speaker 5: what is he going to say today like there's an
33:56
Speaker 5: excitement with Lane Kiffin that frankly almost nobody else is
34:00
Speaker 5: capable of doing in college football at this point and
34:02
Speaker 5: so that's kind of the thing that makes him you know,
34:04
Speaker 5: I think so polarizing.
34:06
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
34:07
Speaker 5: Anybody has a, man, he's fine. Like you love this guy,
34:10
Speaker 5: you hate him, you feel some type of way about him.
34:12
Speaker 5: And that's what, you know, made him so interesting to
34:15
Speaker 5: write about and so interesting to talk about.
34:17
Speaker 1: Is he ever going to feel settled or does he
34:20
Speaker 1: always want to bounce around? He embraces the villain role,
34:24
Speaker 1: but he does so at the peril of the program
34:27
Speaker 1: he's currently coaching.
34:29
Speaker 5: And I think deep down, he doesn't want to be
34:31
Speaker 5: the villain. I think he realizes in this current moment,
34:34
Speaker 5: he has to be. But I think in his mind,
34:36
Speaker 5: he's still going to be the hero one day. And
34:38
Speaker 5: I think he's talked both publicly and privately of like,
34:41
Speaker 5: one day the villain can turn into the hero. And
34:44
Speaker 5: I think he thinks if I win enough, eventually they'll
34:46
Speaker 5: love me. There's certainly, and I do tell it in
34:49
Speaker 5: the book, there's something inside of him that makes him
34:52
Speaker 5: a chaser. He likes to chase, I think, more than
34:54
Speaker 5: sometimes the catch, right? And so I think when things
34:57
Speaker 5: start to get normal and settled for him, he thinks
35:01
Speaker 5: it's boring.
35:01
Speaker 3: And I think he feels like, I got to shake
35:03
Speaker 3: it up somehow.
35:04
Speaker 5: And so you've seen him, whether it's in his professional relationships,
35:07
Speaker 5: his personal relationships, like, Once it starts to settle into
35:11
Speaker 5: that like nice phase where you're watching a movie of
35:14
Speaker 5: your girlfriend or whatever, like he's like, oh, I'm boring.
35:16
Speaker 5: I got to get out. I got to get back
35:17
Speaker 5: out there. And so that's just like how he treats,
35:19
Speaker 5: you know, some of the jobs he's worked at too.
35:21
Speaker 5: Like just when it feels great and everyone's happy, he's like,
35:24
Speaker 5: I got to make a move.
35:26
Speaker 2: How much of this is, as you, you know, as
35:29
Speaker 2: you titled it, Lane being Lane, and then it's legitimately
35:32
Speaker 2: who he is. How much of it is, boy, I
35:34
Speaker 2: think I can get a response from this and this
35:36
Speaker 2: is going to help the attention on my program. So
35:39
Speaker 2: I'm going to go and do this because he's a
35:40
Speaker 2: very smart guy. He's also not like outwardly charismatic or
35:45
Speaker 2: a big personality to talk to. Right. So I wonder
35:48
Speaker 2: how much of this is planned and how much is
35:50
Speaker 2: unplanned when we're talking about Lane Kiffin.
35:53
Speaker 5: I think it's a mix and I think to your
35:55
Speaker 5: point I do think there's still a a fan divide
35:58
Speaker 5: in terms of what they think Lane Kiffin is and
36:00
Speaker 5: what he really is and so if you guys have
36:02
Speaker 5: you've been around him like he's not like jumping off
36:05
Speaker 5: the screen right like he's kind of quiet I could
36:07
Speaker 5: argue awkward at times when you're in person with him
36:10
Speaker 5: and like that doesn't necessarily square with this idea of
36:13
Speaker 5: like the Loki of college football who's trolling people and
36:16
Speaker 5: sending funny tweets and all that so There is definitely that,
36:19
Speaker 5: I think, divide. I think some of that he realizes like, okay,
36:23
Speaker 5: I can move the needle. I can push the envelope
36:26
Speaker 5: on Twitter or with text or whatever in a way
36:29
Speaker 5: that maybe I can't in person as well. So I
36:32
Speaker 5: think he certainly knows that if people are talking about him,
36:35
Speaker 5: that can be a good thing.
36:36
Speaker 3: And I think.
36:37
Speaker 5: Especially if you look from kind of FAU on, I
36:40
Speaker 5: think he realized, all right, I'm down at FAU. Nobody
36:42
Speaker 5: really cares about FAU. I got to shake things up
36:45
Speaker 5: if anyone's even going to talk about us. And I
36:46
Speaker 5: think that carried over to Ole Miss. Some of this
36:49
Speaker 5: LSU stuff, I put more in the he can't help
36:52
Speaker 5: himself category where he probably does not really need to
36:55
Speaker 5: be doing that, but he just can't help himself from
36:58
Speaker 5: pushing the envelope, from making comments in Vanity Fair and
37:01
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff.
37:03
Speaker 2: John, and the name of the book is Lane Being Lane.
37:05
Speaker 2: John Talti with CBS Sports with us. John, I got
37:08
Speaker 2: to ask, with the LSU stuff and with everything going
37:12
Speaker 2: on with the lawsuit, his school's being sued, he's being
37:15
Speaker 2: sued personally. Does Lane Kiffin stand down in this? Because
37:19
Speaker 2: common sense would say these three players are not worth it,
37:23
Speaker 2: especially when you see what the team looked like on
37:24
Speaker 2: Saturday night in that first game. Do you think he
37:27
Speaker 2: stands down or will they continue to fight?
37:30
Speaker 3: I mean, to this point, he has, right?
37:32
Speaker 5: I mean, there was that kind of that moment, that
37:34
Speaker 5: showdown Friday night. Like, are you going to put him
37:36
Speaker 5: on the roster or are you not? And they ultimately
37:39
Speaker 5: did not, which I think was a smart decision, frankly,
37:42
Speaker 5: from some of the things that I was hearing behind
37:44
Speaker 5: the scenes of the level of frustration within the SEC
37:47
Speaker 5: about LSU pushing it that far. I think now you
37:50
Speaker 5: let things play out in the courts and you say, hey,
37:52
Speaker 5: you know, I don't have anything to do with that.
37:54
Speaker 3: Things are, you know, we'll see what the hearings are.
37:56
Speaker 3: We'll see what the results are.
37:58
Speaker 5: But to your point, I think what was wild about
38:00
Speaker 5: it to so many people around college football was that
38:03
Speaker 5: this is, from people that I've talked to, potentially the
38:05
Speaker 5: most expensive, if not the most expensive roster in college football,
38:08
Speaker 5: in that $ 50 million range. I mean, it's a lot
38:10
Speaker 5: of money invested into this program. We saw against Clemson
38:13
Speaker 5: how good they were. And throughout, people were saying, it's
38:17
Speaker 5: not worth it. Why is he doing this? And I
38:19
Speaker 5: think it got to a point where Lane didn't want
38:21
Speaker 5: to lose. He doesn't like being told he can't do things.
38:24
Speaker 5: I mean, people remember telling me when he was at Alabama,
38:26
Speaker 5: like the worst thing Nick Saban could do would tell
38:28
Speaker 5: him not to do something because he would just want
38:30
Speaker 5: to do it that much more.
38:31
Speaker 3: Right.
38:31
Speaker 5: And that's who he is. So if you're having the
38:33
Speaker 5: SEC say you're not allowed to do this, he's going
38:35
Speaker 5: to say, watch me, I will. And he got right
38:39
Speaker 5: to that line about as far as he could. So
38:41
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be shocked if that continues to play out.
38:44
Speaker 5: But I think certainly he realized four heads prevailed that
38:48
Speaker 5: if he had put those players on the roster, there
38:50
Speaker 5: could have been long-term devastating consequences for LSU.
38:54
Speaker 1: John, what does he think of Greg Sankey and what
38:57
Speaker 1: does Greg Sankey think of him?
38:59
Speaker 5: What's interesting is that I've heard that they actually have
39:01
Speaker 5: a pretty good relationship. And I think there's something that's
39:05
Speaker 5: interesting about Lane. And I think it goes back to
39:07
Speaker 5: his dad, Monty, that like, he does look up to
39:10
Speaker 5: people who are older and in positions of power. And
39:13
Speaker 5: so I do think there's, I remember talking to someone,
39:15
Speaker 5: they're like, you would be surprised how at times how
39:18
Speaker 5: positively Lane would speak of Greg Sankey. Now, I think
39:21
Speaker 5: this recent battle might have changed things a bit, but
39:25
Speaker 5: coming into things, they actually had a pretty good working relationship.
39:29
Speaker 5: And I think Lane appreciates what Greg has done for
39:33
Speaker 5: the conference and vice versa. But certainly, LSU dragging Greg
39:37
Speaker 5: Sankey down to Baton Rouge to have to testify down there,
39:41
Speaker 5: I think, didn't go over super well at certain corners
39:44
Speaker 5: of the SEC.
39:46
Speaker 1: Are you... Are you surprised that Saban backs him as
39:50
Speaker 1: much as he does publicly? And the only way that
39:53
Speaker 1: would happen is the respect that Saban would have for
39:55
Speaker 1: him as a coach behind the scenes, right? The work ethic,
39:58
Speaker 1: the grind. But even Saban is reluctant to say anything
40:02
Speaker 1: about this pro athlete stuff. Like he's wanting to talk
40:06
Speaker 1: ball on the college game day set. I'm intrigued by
40:09
Speaker 1: that as much as an old school approach Saban has
40:11
Speaker 1: to this.
40:13
Speaker 5: Well, go back a year ago when there was the,
40:15
Speaker 5: should Lane Kiffin be allowed to coach? And Nick Saban
40:19
Speaker 5: came out basically in favor of allowing Lane Kiffin to
40:23
Speaker 5: keep coaching. And I'm sitting there thinking- this guy fired
40:26
Speaker 5: Lane Kiffin in between the semifinal national championship. The only
40:29
Speaker 5: guy that's ever happened to in the history of college
40:31
Speaker 5: football because he was distracted and didn't want his time divided.
40:34
Speaker 3: So like that rang untrue to me.
40:37
Speaker 5: Now I think there's obviously, I don't want to make
40:40
Speaker 5: a huge deal about it, but they both share the
40:42
Speaker 5: same agent. That agent's a very important person. I'm sure
40:45
Speaker 5: that person can pass along talking points back and forth.
40:48
Speaker 5: I also think I view it almost like a little
40:50
Speaker 5: bit of like that grandfather thing of like, Enough time
40:53
Speaker 5: has passed that he might look back on some of
40:55
Speaker 5: it and laugh a little bit, whereas in the moment,
40:58
Speaker 5: they definitely did not get along. That's very well established,
41:02
Speaker 5: the excerpt of my book, I think, further established what
41:04
Speaker 5: was going on behind the scenes. But I think now
41:06
Speaker 5: he can be like, ah, Lane being Lane, and he
41:08
Speaker 5: can focus more on the fact that he is an
41:11
Speaker 5: incredible football coach and doesn't have to worry about everything
41:14
Speaker 5: Lane's doing behind the scenes that used to drive him nuts.
41:17
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the program, John, that he left behind
41:20
Speaker 2: in Ole Miss. How sustainable is this? How much of
41:23
Speaker 2: it was Lane Kiffin? How much is clearly an investment
41:27
Speaker 2: in that program? And we talked to Walker Jones from
41:30
Speaker 2: the Grove Collective last week about this before the Louisville game.
41:34
Speaker 2: How much do they feel like we can just keep
41:36
Speaker 2: this thing rolling with Pete Golding and pay top dollar
41:39
Speaker 2: for players and continue to be a factor at the
41:42
Speaker 2: highest levels of the sport?
41:44
Speaker 5: I had somebody at a rival SEC school tell me
41:47
Speaker 5: recently that no one has gotten better bang for their
41:50
Speaker 5: buck than Ole Miss. And a lot of that is
41:52
Speaker 5: because of Walker Jones, who I think is one of
41:53
Speaker 5: the best collective people in the country. So I think
41:55
Speaker 5: they have maximized about as well as anyone possibly could.
42:00
Speaker 5: I think the question you would have, and I think
42:02
Speaker 5: the question that Lane had, is like, are we already
42:04
Speaker 5: hitting our ceiling? Can we push further? Like, LSU clearly
42:09
Speaker 5: poured a ton of money into this roster. can almost
42:12
Speaker 5: keep pushing forward. But I think that they have believed
42:15
Speaker 5: that they do have a sustainable thing there. Certainly the
42:18
Speaker 5: roster is very good. You know, last night, an incredible
42:22
Speaker 5: game against Louisville. I think it, both showed the brilliance
42:26
Speaker 5: and what they have, but also maybe ask some questions
42:29
Speaker 5: of like, is the offense going to be as good
42:31
Speaker 5: without Lane Kiffin and Charlie Weiss Jr.? Is the defense
42:34
Speaker 5: going to figure out some of their things as Pete
42:36
Speaker 5: Golding balances being head coach and defensive coordinator? So there's
42:39
Speaker 5: still some things I think to figure out. But, you know,
42:42
Speaker 5: Lane gets a lot of the credit, understandably so. But
42:44
Speaker 5: as you guys know, like, It took a administration who
42:48
Speaker 5: was all in on let's go for it. It took
42:50
Speaker 5: people like Walker Jones to be able to go out
42:52
Speaker 5: and raise the money because as I'm sure he would
42:54
Speaker 5: tell you, Lane Kiffin had no interest in doing that.
42:57
Speaker 5: He was never going to do donor dinners and things
42:59
Speaker 5: like that. It's not what Lane Kiffin does. So there
43:01
Speaker 5: are a lot of people that made that thing work.
43:03
Speaker 5: And Pete Golding, he was the star recruiter on that staff.
43:06
Speaker 5: And so I think they believe he can keep this
43:08
Speaker 5: thing rolling. But certainly this year is a critical one
43:10
Speaker 5: to keep that feeling like our money is worth investing.
43:13
Speaker 1: Into this program. Who around him would not speak to
43:17
Speaker 1: you on this?
43:19
Speaker 3: Wayne Kiffin?
43:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
43:23
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm trying to think. I guess you reach
43:26
Speaker 5: out to people, and if they didn't get back to me,
43:27
Speaker 5: I guess all of those people.
43:28
Speaker 2: Okay.
43:30
Speaker 5: I think a lot of them did. Listen, I didn't
43:34
Speaker 5: interview Nick Sabre for the book. There's some of those, certainly.
43:39
Speaker 5: I'm trying to go through my head of people who
43:41
Speaker 5: I reached out to.
43:42
Speaker 1: What about his family? The storylines, because he trends younger
43:46
Speaker 1: on social and all that. Were they into this?
43:50
Speaker 3: I kind of went through him. I didn't want to...
43:54
Speaker 3: text his daughter off to the side.
43:55
Speaker 5: Right.
43:56
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, Hey, if you wanted to.
43:57
Speaker 5: And so that ended up not playing out, but I,
44:00
Speaker 5: there were, he told me at least, and I'm going
44:02
Speaker 5: to try to take him at his word for it.
44:04
Speaker 3: He told me that anyone that reached.
44:06
Speaker 5: Out to him for permission to talk to me, he
44:08
Speaker 5: said that they could. Now, if that's true or not,
44:11
Speaker 5: I don't know, but like I talked to like his
44:13
Speaker 5: childhood best friend and his high school football.
44:15
Speaker 3: Coach and his roommates over the years.
44:17
Speaker 5: So I, I think I got a lot of people
44:19
Speaker 5: that are in his circle and like, I do think
44:22
Speaker 5: it was important for this book to have some balance of,
44:26
Speaker 5: as you can imagine, there are a lot of people
44:27
Speaker 5: who don't like Lane Kiffin. But you want people who
44:30
Speaker 5: do say positive things about, all right, give me the
44:32
Speaker 5: best possible interpretation of Lane's actions here. And so that's
44:35
Speaker 5: where I think like some family friends, childhood best friend,
44:38
Speaker 5: people like that helped me understand some of that stuff.
44:41
Speaker 1: We hope there's a Joey Freshwater chapter in this.
44:45
Speaker 5: Oh, there's some Joey Fetchwater stuff in there.
44:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't wait to read it. I'm going to
44:50
Speaker 2: very soon, but John, great, great job on all this.
44:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
44:53
Speaker 2: It's been, it's been fun following the coverage and obviously
44:56
Speaker 2: a key time right now for Lane Kiffin and the
44:59
Speaker 2: Lane train with everybody talking about him. Yeah.
45:03
Speaker 3: Always interesting with Lane. Yeah.
45:05
Speaker 1: Thanks, John. Appreciate you, man.
45:06
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
45:08
Speaker 1: John, I can't wait to read this. This is gonna
45:09
Speaker 1: be great. And it's dropping right before the matchup against
45:11
Speaker 1: Ole Miss, which is brilliant.
45:13
Speaker 2: Perfect timing.
45:14
Speaker 1: Um, It's time, coming up, to find out what we
45:18
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45:21
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45:57
Speaker 1: last week. Didn't work out with Georgia Tech and Colorado.
46:00
Speaker 2: We know that. Hutton, now you came back with a
46:03
Speaker 2: Friday play that did work out.
46:04
Speaker 3: Miami.
46:05
Speaker 2: Miami boat raced. Stanford. So we won that bet, right?
46:10
Speaker 1: Yes, we did. We cashed in on that. And I
46:12
Speaker 1: followed you on South Dakota State. And you're right. For
46:16
Speaker 1: a moment, I was hopeful. I just took the money
46:17
Speaker 1: line there. And I thought, man, he's going to nail this.
46:21
Speaker 1: Jack rounds, but we didn't get it. You have silly underdogs.
46:24
Speaker 1: We have had wrong team favor in the past. I
46:27
Speaker 1: think together, collectively, Hutton, each week, we need to come
46:30
Speaker 1: up with the team that's the underdog that's going to
46:32
Speaker 1: win outright.
46:32
Speaker 2: That was our one this week. Our attempt with South
46:35
Speaker 2: Dakota State did not work out, but we'll come up
46:38
Speaker 2: with one of those a week. I will say personally,
46:41
Speaker 2: I did really well on Saturday because I had a
46:44
Speaker 2: morning and a late night play that worked out. I
46:48
Speaker 2: had Alabama minus whatever they were against East Carolina. They
46:52
Speaker 2: won easily and they covered easily. I had Nebraska backdoor
46:56
Speaker 2: their way into covering easily. against Ohio very late in
46:59
Speaker 2: that game. That was my 11 a.m. Central time parlay.
47:03
Speaker 2: And then late at night, Hutton, I had our guy
47:05
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen and UNLV at Hawaii. He covered pretty easily.
47:10
Speaker 2: And covering very easily was Nico and UCLA in the
47:15
Speaker 2: 9.30 start time game. So I had both those games late.
47:18
Speaker 2: So it was a good, as we went back and
47:20
Speaker 2: look what we made with Hard Rock Bet, pretty profitable
47:23
Speaker 2: Saturday for me.
47:24
Speaker 1: So I won.
47:26
Speaker 1: The cover for, let's see, Notre Dame and Wisconsin. That
47:30
Speaker 1: was my big cash-in over the weekend. The backdoor cover
47:34
Speaker 1: by Furman really flipped me. Tennessee's just rolling in that game.
47:40
Speaker 1: And then you've got the touchdown late or whatever and
47:43
Speaker 1: made it nine. Or the field goals. But my point is.
47:46
Speaker 2: It was two fumbles. Furman would have been shut out.
47:49
Speaker 2: Tennessee fumbled twice around the 25-yard line. And those were
47:53
Speaker 2: the nine points that Furman scored was off two fumbles.
47:56
Speaker 1: And Oklahoma State did not come through. Everything they changed over.
48:02
Speaker 1: Tulsa takes them down, what, 24-10. They did not help me.
48:05
Speaker 1: I made like $ 35 over the weekend on $ 5 bets.
48:09
Speaker 2: If we're looking at a list of the miserable... In
48:12
Speaker 2: college football today?
48:13
Speaker 1: Yes.
48:15
Speaker 2: We'll do this tomorrow. In fact, you know what? I'm
48:17
Speaker 2: going to give a top five. Feeling most miserable about
48:20
Speaker 2: your program after one week, Clemson's up there if you're
48:24
Speaker 2: a Clemson fan because it's also you're just on your
48:26
Speaker 2: hands there. We're probably not going to fire Dabo, but
48:29
Speaker 2: is he really going to rally at this point? And
48:31
Speaker 2: how bad is this season going to be exactly? I
48:34
Speaker 2: think Oklahoma State has to be top of the list.
48:37
Speaker 2: That was a program that was very good under Mike
48:39
Speaker 2: Gundy for a long time. Hutton, I said it on Friday,
48:41
Speaker 2: they've not won an FBS game since September of 24.
48:44
Speaker 2: That's crazy. In two years.
48:46
Speaker 1: That is crazy.
48:47
Speaker 2: You get all the excitement of Eric Morris is your coach.
48:50
Speaker 2: He brings Drew Mestemaker as quarterback. Oh, we're going to
48:52
Speaker 2: score points again. This is going to be fun. And
48:54
Speaker 2: you come out in week one as a double-digit favorite,
48:57
Speaker 2: and you get beaten easily on the road by Tulsa.
49:01
Speaker 2: And shout out to Trey Lamb, a friend of the show, who,
49:04
Speaker 2: in fact, I'll text and we'll get on this week
49:07
Speaker 2: to talk about how they beat Oklahoma State. But big
49:09
Speaker 2: win for him in Tulsa. But man, you got to
49:11
Speaker 2: feel real bad if you're Oklahoma State.
49:13
Speaker 1: Now, I have a six-leg parlay that is one win
49:16
Speaker 1: away from cashing because I just took these teams to
49:18
Speaker 1: win outright. Michigan LSU, Washington, Notre Dame, Ole Miss. All
49:23
Speaker 1: of those were some nail biters there. I need SMU
49:27
Speaker 1: just to win outright. And tonight, I also just laid
49:31
Speaker 1: the points. Minus two and a half against Florida State.
49:35
Speaker 1: Road team favored here. Ranked team favored. I just... I mean,
49:39
Speaker 1: how could I have any confidence in the Seminoles, even
49:42
Speaker 1: though SMU is, you know, they're battling in the ACC,
49:47
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're anywhere close to being close
49:50
Speaker 1: to Miami or maybe even Louisville at this point. I
49:53
Speaker 1: just don't trust Florida State at all. Yeah, I think
49:57
Speaker 1: SMU wins tonight.
49:59
Speaker 2: I'm hesitant, though, because Florida State, who was terrible a
50:02
Speaker 2: year ago, they were good in week one. right, against Alabama.
50:07
Speaker 2: So do they get that initial burst to start the season?
50:12
Speaker 2: I don't know. But you said a six-way parlay could
50:16
Speaker 2: hit tonight with SMU. That's not bad at all. If
50:20
Speaker 2: I'm betting with Hard Rock Bet, and I will, I'm
50:23
Speaker 2: riding with you, Hunt. I'm going SMU minus the two
50:26
Speaker 2: and a half tonight against Florida State. And this is
50:27
Speaker 2: one of the most popular parlays that they offered, you know,
50:30
Speaker 2: at the top of the screen or whatever.
50:31
Speaker 1: I just saw it. All these programs to win. Honestly,
50:35
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been able to catch this tonight because
50:37
Speaker 1: of the way Michigan played. I thought I was done.
50:40
Speaker 1: And Washington, they end up winning the Apple Cup, but
50:44
Speaker 1: that was a sloppy game for them. Ole Miss came through,
50:48
Speaker 1: so does Notre Dame, but I need SMU. If you're me,
50:52
Speaker 1: do you cash out early tonight if they get up by,
50:54
Speaker 1: I don't know, seven or ten points?
50:56
Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
50:57
Speaker 1: I probably will.
50:59
Speaker 2: I would take the scared approach and absolutely cash out
51:02
Speaker 2: if they ever got a lead in that game. Hey,
51:05
Speaker 2: Washington and Washington State yesterday, everything looked so difficult for
51:09
Speaker 2: DeMond Williams in Washington. Yes. And I cannot help but
51:12
Speaker 2: to go back to that whole legal dust-up with Washington
51:16
Speaker 2: and him when he was trying to transfer, and he
51:18
Speaker 2: was basically sued into coming back because of what it
51:22
Speaker 2: was going to cost if you added him as a transfer.
51:24
Speaker 2: And I'm like– He looks like a guy who doesn't
51:27
Speaker 2: want to be there at times in that game. And
51:30
Speaker 2: Jed Fish seemed very on edge for a guy who's
51:33
Speaker 2: usually happy-go-lucky throughout that game, just not understanding why his
51:36
Speaker 2: team couldn't do anything. I just thought everything looked– against
51:39
Speaker 2: Washington State, who's not very good, I thought everything looked
51:42
Speaker 2: extremely difficult offensively for Washington that game. I thought the
51:46
Speaker 2: defense looked pretty good for Washington.
51:49
Speaker 1: Very good.
51:50
Speaker 2: They had a couple of turnovers. Offensively, very underwhelmed in
51:53
Speaker 2: that game. Speaking of underwhelmed, Bryce Underwood– Michigan has been
51:57
Speaker 2: underwhelming so far. A little glimpse at our economy and
52:02
Speaker 2: how it's changed. I've got a graph here that shows
52:04
Speaker 2: you what $ 15 million bought you in 1803. It bought
52:08
Speaker 2: you the Louisiana Purchase from France, which at the time was,
52:11
Speaker 2: I think, a third of the country. And now $ 15
52:14
Speaker 2: million is a contract for Bryce Underwood, and it gets
52:17
Speaker 2: you 170 yards of touchdown and interception in and a
52:20
Speaker 2: QBR 54.1. Man, we could make money stretch back in
52:23
Speaker 2: the day, couldn't we? But how our country has evolved
52:27
Speaker 2: since 1803. The Louisiana Purchase, Bryce Underwood.
52:33
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
52:34
Speaker 2: The other great, just the social media shout-outs of the week,
52:38
Speaker 2: and I saw Clay repost this too, but the guy
52:40
Speaker 2: who said, remarkable stat here. College football teams were like,
52:45
Speaker 2: 600 and something thousand and zero since 1896, having led
52:51
Speaker 2: when the clock hit zero after the final play of
52:53
Speaker 2: the game until Michigan's win.
52:56
Speaker 1: Prior to Western Michigan, college football teams were 110,352 and 0.
53:00
Speaker 2: Since 1869. 69, yeah.
53:00
Speaker 1: It's amazing. The whole storylines in college football, I want
53:16
Speaker 1: your take on the Braves. There's some good parlays and
53:22
Speaker 1: featured offers right now for MLB. How are they playing,
53:27
Speaker 1: and which way would you lean?
53:29
Speaker 2: We were calling a high school football game Friday night,
53:31
Speaker 2: and I glanced down and said, oh, the Braves won.
53:33
Speaker 2: I said, that's huge because going into the series, I
53:36
Speaker 2: think the Braves were ahead by three or four games.
53:38
Speaker 2: I think three because if the Phillies swept, they'd be
53:41
Speaker 2: in first. by the end of the weekend, which would
53:43
Speaker 2: have been crazy. But if they could just split, that
53:46
Speaker 2: would have been a huge win for the Braves, given
53:48
Speaker 2: the distance in the division right now. They've already at
53:51
Speaker 2: least done that. They've won the first two or three
53:53
Speaker 2: in this series. They play again today here on Labor
53:56
Speaker 2: Day against the Phillies. They do that. They're in a
53:59
Speaker 2: really good spot. They're going to play the Phillies again.
54:02
Speaker 2: So the division is by no means wrapped up or
54:04
Speaker 2: anything like that. But a great start to September if
54:07
Speaker 2: they're able to win today. Ronald Acuna Jr. loves playing
54:12
Speaker 2: in moments like this.
54:13
Speaker 1: He does.
54:14
Speaker 2: He came out and gave the curtain call after the
54:15
Speaker 2: three-run homer that tied it in Philly because of all
54:18
Speaker 2: the boo birds from Philly fans yesterday, which I absolutely loved.
54:22
Speaker 2: Braves are playing well. Phillies are playing really well, too,
54:25
Speaker 2: going into this series, Hutton. Look, if I'm just taking ceilings,
54:30
Speaker 2: I think the Phillies and the Brewers and the Dodgers–
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Speaker 2: have a higher ceiling than the Braves. But the Braves,
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Speaker 2: even though they made no big-time additions to the trade deadline,
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Speaker 2: Tyler Malley, who pitched yesterday, was one of them, was
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Speaker 2: probably the biggest one. But they've played well since that moment,
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Speaker 2: even though they didn't make any huge additions.
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Speaker 1: I mean, right now, to outright win, Atlanta plus 145.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to take the Braves to win today.
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Speaker 1: Tonight's going to be fun as well. We've got SMU,
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Speaker 1: Florida State, and we have the Hunting Withrow Fantasy Football
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Speaker 1: League draft. We do it right. We do it right
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Speaker 1: before week one. All the injuries are out there. We
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Speaker 1: know the rosters. There's no roster adjustments right now. We
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Speaker 1: do it right. Can't wait, man. It's going to be blasting.
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Speaker 1: We have some familiar faces, some day one season ticket holders,
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Speaker 1: and some new additions as well. It'll be a lot
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Speaker 1: of fun. So I'm thrilled to be able to jump
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Speaker 1: in and do this again.
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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for being the commissioner of this league, Hutton.
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Speaker 2: I'm excited for 7 o'clock Central time tonight for the
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Speaker 2: draft and looking forward to banging some hats throughout the year.
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Speaker 2: I hope there's a lot of trash talk tonight in
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Speaker 2: our chat room during the draft also. So really looking
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Speaker 2: forward to that.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's heating up right now. I'm getting that bad
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Speaker 2: boy up to 250 as we speak. Low and slow, baby.
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Speaker 2: Let's go.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of the shows coming up your way
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