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FSU's Latest Shooting Is Teaching Lessons, But Is Anyone Learning? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Speaker 1: All right, morning friends, it is the third hour of
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Speaker 1: the Morning Show with Preston Scott Show five three and
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Speaker 1: seventy four. But who's counting, Well, I am, yeah, I'm counting. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Jose's over there in Studio one A. I'm here in
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Speaker 1: Studio one B, and I am joined by co founder,
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Speaker 1: co host All Things Talent, Ladies and Gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: He is Charlie Strickland.
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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, good morning.
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Speaker 2: How are you.
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Speaker 3: I'm fantastic. You said better than I deserve it to
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Speaker 3: be or something like that.
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Speaker 2: That's what he says all the time.
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Speaker 1: And you know, Dave Ramsey says it so often it
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Speaker 1: takes the fun out of say I just don't even
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Speaker 1: go there.
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Speaker 2: But I think it, I feel it.
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Speaker 3: You know, life is good. I'm as challenging. It's busy.
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Speaker 3: I was talking to a gentleman for a while yesterday.
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Speaker 3: I was buying some fertilizer from from green Point and
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Speaker 3: they got cows now and pastor and hayfields and all that,
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Speaker 3: and you know, we were talking about how busy we were,
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Speaker 3: and I said, you know, I just I don't know
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Speaker 3: that I could stand like any other way. You know,
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Speaker 3: I've retired once in one of these days, I'm going
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Speaker 3: to retire again. But I'm going to retire so I
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Speaker 3: can work some more doing something different. Right, Just you
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Speaker 3: know what's next. Well, apparently it's cows and goats and
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Speaker 3: chickens and turkeys and a few pigs.
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Speaker 2: Let me let let's get to the topic of the
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Speaker 2: day you sent me.
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Speaker 1: You sent me a text, and just to set the stage,
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Speaker 1: you worked on the FSU campus.
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Speaker 2: I did.
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Speaker 1: And so when the news came out that there was
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Speaker 1: another active shooting at Florida State's campus, what was your
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Speaker 1: immediate reaction? And then after some time went by and
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Speaker 1: you learned some things, which I'm sure you did, what
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Speaker 1: was your response.
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Speaker 3: Well, first off, I will say this, the FSU Police
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Speaker 3: Department is one of the best trained agencies in the region.
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Speaker 3: They have some downtime in between semesters, and when I
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Speaker 3: went was working there in the early nineties, I took
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Speaker 3: more classes than I was able to take in years
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Speaker 3: at the Sheriff's office. Now that's changed in a lot
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Speaker 3: of ways. But brand new police chief there is a friend.
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Speaker 3: Foreign police chief was a friend. One before that was
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Speaker 3: a friend, and I know that agency very well and
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Speaker 3: I have a lot of confidence in their capabilities, as
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Speaker 3: was evidence in their response on that particular day. It's
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Speaker 3: only so many people patrolling a fairly large campus, and
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Speaker 3: their performance was exemplar as everybody else that responded. However,
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Speaker 3: you know, you're always you know, when seconds count their
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Speaker 3: minutes away, and in that case, they were not very
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Speaker 3: many seconds behind. Unfortunately it ended the way it did.
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Speaker 3: It could have been a lot worse, as it always
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Speaker 3: could be. So my initial response was, you know, I
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Speaker 3: wanted information like everybody else, because we as a citizenry
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Speaker 3: are pretty nosy. We want to know everything. I've gotten
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Speaker 3: to the point now where I don't really care as
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Speaker 3: much about the why. You know, I do have a
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Speaker 3: lot of background information. I do a lot of stuff.
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Speaker 3: I am very familiar with the players involved. That's not
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Speaker 3: as relevant to me as because it's going to happen
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Speaker 3: from some corner of our society, somebody with some philosophy,
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Speaker 3: somebody from some religious background, from some with some reasoning
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Speaker 3: in their thought, from the left or the right, or
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Speaker 3: the this religion or that religion, or this race or
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Speaker 3: that race, or this member of this community or that
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Speaker 3: sexual preference or whatever, or just someone is broken. It's
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Speaker 3: all over the board. Yes, mental illness versus somebody who
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Speaker 3: has a political agenda. The fact that when I was
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Speaker 3: teaching an actor futer course last night from the right
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Speaker 3: to bear courses that we do, and I show this
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Speaker 3: slide of all these different people, and I go through
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Speaker 3: it and I never say names, but I'm pointing at
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Speaker 3: I'm going, Okay, this person's Muslim, this person is Christian,
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Speaker 3: this person is right wing, this is left wing, this
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Speaker 3: is a member of the LGBTQ plus community, this person
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Speaker 3: is you know, this thing, this thing all the way
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Speaker 3: back to the Texas tyrants in October of sixty six,
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Speaker 3: and there were pre ones before that. Bombings and killing
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Speaker 3: have been going on for a long time. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: and we look at the body counts that are rising
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Speaker 3: versus the number of shootings, and you know, we talk
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Speaker 3: about all that. But what I try to tell people
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Speaker 3: in my classes is can you can you look at
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Speaker 3: this and the people that are doing this all we
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Speaker 3: back to Washington Beltway snipers, to all these all these people,
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Speaker 3: tell me the next shoot or what race are they
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Speaker 3: going to be? Based on this pattern? What sect are
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Speaker 3: they going to be? What political affiliation are they going
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Speaker 3: to be? And I say, can you in order to
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Speaker 3: predict something, you need to be able to establish a pattern,
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Speaker 3: and you cannot establish a pattern in this. It's all
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Speaker 3: over the board. We cannot predict this. We're not going
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Speaker 3: to stop this, and it's not going to get better
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Speaker 3: because our country is becoming more and more divided, and
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Speaker 3: with the social media platforms and everything going on, there
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Speaker 3: is so much hatred, so much division, so much mental
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Speaker 3: illness that's going untreated. There are so many things that
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Speaker 3: are not happening in our society, and I don't see
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Speaker 3: it getting any better. So the argument then becomes, if
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Speaker 3: it's not going to get better, if it's going to
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Speaker 3: happen again, what do we do to stop it once
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Speaker 3: it starts? And that's where we run into some resistance.
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Speaker 1: Twelve past the hour. Our discussion today, in one form
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Speaker 1: or another, is going to revolve around active shooting incidents.
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Speaker 1: Take the Florida state situation, and I mean it's times two.
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Speaker 1: We had Strosuer, now we have this, Charlie. I want
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Speaker 1: to I want to talk to the people out there
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Speaker 1: that talk about gun free zones, and we know that
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Speaker 1: gun free zones are invitations for shooters. They look for
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Speaker 1: those types of places to carry out their crimes. But
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Speaker 1: I would contend there is no such thing as a
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Speaker 1: gun free zone because bad people will bring guns anywhere they.
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Speaker 3: Want us like having speed limits signs, you know, okay,
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Speaker 3: so speed limits fifty five? What's everybody doing? You know
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Speaker 3: more than that some people and that people that are
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Speaker 3: going under just be let it make everybody mad, you know,
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Speaker 3: And so it's nothing. But you know, I JD and
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Speaker 3: I talked about this on our show and we struggle
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Speaker 3: with it and we have discussion all the time. And
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Speaker 3: where most of these things occur is so so if
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go get a body count, I want
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Speaker 3: to go out and make a name for myself. And
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, people who show pictures and mention
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Speaker 3: names and do things like that. I saw it in
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Speaker 3: the local paper whatever it is now if it's a
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Speaker 3: online thing, I never look at the actual paper itself.
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Speaker 3: And you know, keep saying the name, this guy's name
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Speaker 3: over and over again. His his family's friends of ours,
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Speaker 3: and we're coworkers, and you know, I don't want to
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Speaker 3: see the name because all that does is encourage the
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Speaker 3: next person and go, oh well, people want to know.
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Speaker 3: People have a right Local Democratic Party response on Facebook
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Speaker 3: that that was one of the people have. People are
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Speaker 3: curious and they want all that from Okay, fie, but
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Speaker 3: don't encourage the next one. Don't do you don't get it.
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Speaker 3: Don't encourage the next one, because that's what they want,
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Speaker 3: is is this, this fame, this this notoriety. They want this,
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Speaker 3: and you're feeding that, yep by doing this. So stop.
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Speaker 3: And I know you're absolutely fantastic about not saying people's
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Speaker 3: names and not promoting that. We talk about the incident
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Speaker 3: so we can learn from it, okay, And in this case,
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Speaker 3: what we learn is that you have a gun free
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Speaker 3: zone defined by Florida statute in a Republican state, which
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Speaker 3: is supposed to that. Florida has led the country in
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Speaker 3: a lot of gun laws over the years, and we've
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Speaker 3: lost that lately. We're now following behind because we're not
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Speaker 3: doing things other states. We're one of the few states
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Speaker 3: that doesn't allow open carry, one of the few states
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Speaker 3: handful less than a handful of states that don't allow
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Speaker 3: open carry.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people are surprised by that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and the thing is that came about
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Speaker 3: through our concealed weapons carry laws that were passed back
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Speaker 3: I think in the eighties. You talk to miss Hammer,
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Speaker 3: Marion Hammer, and she'll tell you that that's when they
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Speaker 3: took away, you know, the ability to open carry in
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Speaker 3: certain places and certain circumstances. Through that legislation, it say okay,
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Speaker 3: we're going to do this, We're to do that. And
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Speaker 3: conceal carry was opposed by the Shaff Association and law
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Speaker 3: enforcement and people like that back then and now uh
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Speaker 3: they and they were saying, well, we'd rather see the firearms.
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Speaker 3: We want to see them. If people have a gun,
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Speaker 3: we'd rather see them. We want to know they have it,
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Speaker 3: and we don't want it concealed. Nowadays it's we want
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Speaker 3: it concealed, we don't want to see it. We don't
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Speaker 3: want to open carry. I'd rather there's a law enforcement officer.
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Speaker 3: If I see a guy, somebody's got a gun, I'd
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Speaker 3: rather know they have one. Now, I don't think open
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Speaker 3: carry is a good idea as far as tactically right,
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Speaker 3: but I think it's your right. If I have the
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Speaker 3: right to carry it concealed, then I don't have a
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Speaker 3: right to carry it open too. I was one that
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Speaker 3: I was I was attending classes at FSU when I
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Speaker 3: was studying from an aster's degree, and I would leave
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Speaker 3: the Sheriff's office with a red shirt in a training
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Speaker 3: unit and or badge on my shirt and a gun
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Speaker 3: on and a badge on my belt. And I had
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Speaker 3: to go all the way through the dean's office and
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Speaker 3: the chief of police call me and says, listen, would
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Speaker 3: you please quit carrying a gun to campus is offending
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Speaker 3: some students. I'm like, sorry, going to do it anyway,
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Speaker 3: because sheriff's office policy requires me to have a fire
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Speaker 3: arm on me at all time, on and off duty.
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Speaker 3: It was one of those conversations, where are you sure?
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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I helped to sharef right to policy.
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Speaker 3: You know, we pushed that through so it was required
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Speaker 3: so that we could get around stuff like this. And
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Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care if I offend some
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Speaker 3: Chinese nationalists in the class that complained or not. You
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Speaker 3: know it in HAZYUS not having rights. We have rights,
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Speaker 3: but apparently we don't in certain places. And I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to say that there's not places you shouldn't carry
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Speaker 3: a gun. If I go to visit somebody into jail,
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Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't have a gun in the But.
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Speaker 1: You're afforded a level of protection in those places by
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Speaker 1: armed personnel.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, it's a secure facility that nobody then you're
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Speaker 3: you go through a metal detector if you tell me,
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Speaker 3: and this is the right way to do it. If
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Speaker 3: you tell me that I can't have a firearm on
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Speaker 3: a piece of property, then you have a responsibility from
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Speaker 3: my say safety, and you can't do it with the
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Speaker 3: police department. You can't unless you put up a fence
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Speaker 3: and metal detectors over an entire piece of property. Now
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Speaker 3: I can get like a football game or something. But
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Speaker 3: even then, unless you're going to send somebody through, metal detectors.
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Speaker 2: Didn't work in Munich in nineteen seventy two.
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Speaker 3: And so you're telling me that a peaceable, law abiding
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Speaker 3: citizen doesn't have the right to protect themselves because you're
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Speaker 3: afraid that somebody's going to break a rule with they're
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Speaker 3: already breaking the rule if they're willing to commit murder,
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Speaker 3: they're willing to want pass a sign and carry a
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Speaker 3: gun that they shouldn't have, and they know that you're
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Speaker 3: an unarmed populist behind that, And we're back.
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Speaker 2: I had to twenty two minutes after the hour.
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Speaker 1: Charlie Strickland with me this morning in studio our personal
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Speaker 1: defense segment. You kind of let into this in the
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Speaker 1: last segment, Charlie, people that normally are not in favor
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Speaker 1: of the Second Amendment and gun rights are out there
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Speaker 1: buying guns.
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Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you that people from both sides
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Speaker 3: of the political coin, Democrats and Republicans, more and more
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Speaker 3: people from the left, people who you might back in
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Speaker 3: the day would have been surprised to see show up
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Speaker 3: to a gun range, you know, because we tend to
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Speaker 3: put ourselves in a in a in a box. You know, we're, well, okay,
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Speaker 3: we're on the right, and we think conservatively and we
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Speaker 3: like this, we're against that, we like guns, and then
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Speaker 3: the other side is something else. But there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of overlap. You would probably you would probably find some
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Speaker 3: conservatives that are in favor of socialized medicine or something.
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Speaker 3: There's these things like that. Okay, but we tend to
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Speaker 3: gravitate in a certain direction. But there are a lot
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Speaker 3: of people on the left that are starting to and
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Speaker 3: have been for quite some time, and did all along
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Speaker 3: support arming themselves. Now they may not agree with us
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Speaker 3: on things like you know, what they consider to be
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Speaker 3: assault weapons or high capacity magazines whever.
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Speaker 2: Ever, define right.
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Speaker 3: Well, they have a lot of churchs. Some people have
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Speaker 3: a hard time defining what a woman is. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's just you know, I'm sorry, it's just
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Speaker 3: that's that's one of the big discussions going on right now.
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Speaker 3: So you know, it's hard. It's hard to specifically say
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Speaker 3: certain things.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: The fact is, as we get more and more people,
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Speaker 3: any class we have, if we had twenty people in there,
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Speaker 3: three or four or five are going to be from
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Speaker 3: the left side of the equation. Now, we try to
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Speaker 3: keep politics out of our classroom. We try to keep
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Speaker 3: it off of the range. We welcome anyone to come
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Speaker 3: to the Range. We want everyone to come, and we
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Speaker 3: want everyone to learn how to use a FIM and
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Speaker 3: protect themselves because that's really what we stand for, is
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Speaker 3: your right to protect yourself, which is what the Second
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Speaker 3: Amendment stands for. Is your right for personal safety and
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Speaker 3: personal protection and to use whatever means necessary, to coin
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Speaker 3: a phrase from some of the left wing folks, any
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Speaker 3: means necessary to protect yourself. Because when you are when
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Speaker 3: your life is in danger, when eminent fear, when you
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Speaker 3: are in eminent fear of death and great bodily harm,
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Speaker 3: or when the law prescribes what Castle doctrine says. Someone's
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Speaker 3: forcibly or unlawfully attempting to any of your residence, dwelling,
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Speaker 3: or occupy convanced, and you have the right to use
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Speaker 3: any level of force, including deadly force. That means running
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Speaker 3: over them with a car, stabbing them with a knife
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Speaker 3: has happened recently here in town, and a home home
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Speaker 3: invasion robbery. You've got the right to use a firearm.
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Speaker 3: There's there's no there's no too much force if it's
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Speaker 3: if deadly force is justified. Now, but we're starting to
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Speaker 3: see more and more people show up and say I
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Speaker 3: want to I want a gun, I want to carry
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Speaker 3: a gun, I want to defend myself, and we encourage
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Speaker 3: it one for their safety, and we encourage it also
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Speaker 3: because the more people who feel that way, the less
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Speaker 3: likely the Left is to go after our Second Amendment
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Speaker 3: rights because they don't want to give those up either. Sure,
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Speaker 3: and you and I think a lot of people be
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Speaker 3: surprised that the percentages of people that don't look like
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Speaker 3: me that own and carry guns. There are people that
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Speaker 3: are very politically active in the minority communities who are
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Speaker 3: staunch gun owners. Sure, I'm talking about all the all
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Speaker 3: the evil guns too, and the percentages of of of
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Speaker 3: African Americans who own guns is pretty high legally own guns.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people start, oh, well, now I'm not
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Speaker 3: talking about on the street. I'm talking about that walking
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Speaker 3: our store. Yeah, that I would say disproportionately. We have
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Speaker 3: minorities and women coming to less proportionally women. But I mean, uh,
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Speaker 3: there was something on Reddit the other day somebody wanted
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Speaker 3: an LGBTQ friendly gun range in a class they could
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Speaker 3: go to that didn't have a quote maga vibe, and
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Speaker 3: several people recommended us, but they said, we definitely have
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Speaker 3: a maga vibe. Well, we welcome anyone. You know, we
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Speaker 3: don't bring all that into the you know, you want
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Speaker 3: to talk to me personally about I'll talk to you.
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Speaker 3: But the fact is is, you know, you get the
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Speaker 3: best instrument you're going to get trained. Yeah, come on,
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Speaker 3: We're We're welcome. We I mean, we don't hold anything
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Speaker 3: against anybody.
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Speaker 1: Because gosh, you'll even train Baptists just have to.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'll let you go down those roads.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, I know. I went into religion, man, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I know I do that.
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Speaker 1: Thirty six minutes after the hour. Charlie Strickland with me
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Speaker 1: from the Talent Training group. You mentioned you were doing
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Speaker 1: an active shooter training class.
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Speaker 2: What do you teach?
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Speaker 3: So we teach the run, hide, fight philosophy. That's the
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Speaker 3: national model, but we do it with a twist. We're
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Speaker 3: a little less politically correct. And you unless you're training,
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Speaker 3: you'll know way. Yeah, I mean you can get it
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Speaker 3: from law enforcement agencies and place right, but there's there's
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Speaker 3: this solid material taught by competent, qualified people. However, they're
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Speaker 3: not always willing to say the things we're willing to
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Speaker 3: say the way we're willing to say it. And you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm a little more blunt about things. And we spend
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Speaker 3: some time talking about how to hurt people, you know,
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Speaker 3: in the course, you know we talk about we spend
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Speaker 3: a lot of time talking about mindset, not just run, hide, fight,
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Speaker 3: you know, run if you can get away, hide or
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Speaker 3: barricade yourself if you cannot get away, and then fight
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Speaker 3: all if you have to. Well you just got a
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Speaker 3: whole lesson right there. That's that's that's it, that's what
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Speaker 3: that's the national model. However, we talk about situational awareness,
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Speaker 3: as you and I have discussed time and time again.
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Speaker 3: You know, different to Cooper's color code. You know condition yellow,
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Speaker 3: aren't you know? That kind of thing where you're paying
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Speaker 3: attention to your surroundings. We talk about formulating a plan.
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Speaker 3: We talk about looking at your environment. We talk about
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Speaker 3: you know, mental rehearsal of of how you might react
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Speaker 3: if things happen. We talk about, you know what, what
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Speaker 3: type of weapons of opportunity you might find, and then
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Speaker 3: you know, carrying a firearm and some of the tactics
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Speaker 3: involved in that, which we can talk about in a minute.
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Speaker 3: We talk about the protector mindset, predator prey and protector,
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Speaker 3: the sheep dog mentality, because mindset matters most and that's
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Speaker 3: a recurring theme in our classes because if you don't
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Speaker 3: have that, you don't have to have physical skills as
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Speaker 3: much as you need to have the mindset. You can
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Speaker 3: be the best competitive shooter in the world. But if
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Speaker 3: you don't you're not willing to take a life with
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Speaker 3: firearm than is you're totally useless in a fight, and
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Speaker 3: you can be a terrible shot, But if you're up
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Speaker 3: close and personal and you're willing to take the shot,
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Speaker 3: then you're more than competent, you know, to deal with
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Speaker 3: that situation, and you know, I go back to a
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Speaker 3: line I think Clint Eachwood said in the movie was
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Speaker 3: a man's got to know his limitations. And that's something
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Speaker 3: that you go to the range and you find out
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Speaker 3: what are my limitations, what's my skill set? But we
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Speaker 3: do this, we do this training. We go around and
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Speaker 3: we do it in businesses, and we do it at
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Speaker 3: our facility. We do free seminars through Right to Bear
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Speaker 3: all the time. And then we I do I go
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Speaker 3: out and do threat assessments on businesses and organizations and
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Speaker 3: agencies and whatnot, and then we turn around and teach
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Speaker 3: these classes. I do charge for that stuff. And we
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Speaker 3: always have people from churches and church groups show up
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Speaker 3: at these things, and a lot of times I see
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Speaker 3: the same faces again and again because they just want
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Speaker 3: a refresher because their class is a little bit different,
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Speaker 3: follow the same power point. But you know, it is
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Speaker 3: what it is. And we talk about the same stuff
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Speaker 3: we talked about earlier on not being able to predict.
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Speaker 3: When we go to businesses, we discuss talking to HR
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Speaker 3: and developing means of communication between facilities and HR and
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Speaker 3: management to make sure that they're sharing information and polling
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Speaker 3: the employees to make sure we I have workplace violence
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Speaker 3: issues things like that. But ultimately we are trying to
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Speaker 3: steer people towards building their skill set at the Range
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Speaker 3: and building their ability to protect themselves and their home
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Speaker 3: and their office and public you know, in public places.
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Speaker 3: And that's when it you would get into some specific
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Speaker 3: tactics that involves, you know, how would you react.
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Speaker 1: Final segment with Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group
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Speaker 1: Remember talentrange dot com. Learn about the Range, learn about
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Speaker 1: the training programs. There are a lot of different programs
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Speaker 1: and classes that are available. So someone has they've trained
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Speaker 1: as best as someone that's not a professional can train,
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Speaker 1: and they've made the decision in their mind and they've
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Speaker 1: you know, acquired a certain degree of I guess proficiency
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Speaker 1: would be the best way to put a Charlie to
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Speaker 1: feel as though that if there was an active shooter
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Speaker 1: situation that they could maybe make a difference in help.
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Speaker 3: So there's several considerations here, Okay, one is what are
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Speaker 3: you capable of doing? Okay, do you want to aggress
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Speaker 3: towards the threat and try to make a difference that way,
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Speaker 3: or are you trying to set up a defensive position.
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Speaker 3: So if they come your way and you're behind hardcover
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Speaker 3: something and you can engage that person to protect people
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Speaker 3: that you may be protecting.
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Speaker 2: Let's look at the former.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So let's say something's going on in the mall
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Speaker 3: food court or down one of those hallways, or in
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Speaker 3: a large building or an office complex or something, and
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Speaker 3: their shots fired, and there's an aggressive, active shooter, an
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Speaker 3: active assailant there, and you are armed. Now you've secured
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Speaker 3: your family, your people, you know, you're no longer concerned
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Speaker 3: about anybody but yourself, and you have decided that you're
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Speaker 3: going to be the sheep dog. You're going to aggress
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Speaker 3: towards the threat, and you're going to do First off,
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Speaker 3: you don't want to be running around with a gun
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Speaker 3: in your hand, because if you're running around, everybody's like, okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna move here. I got my gun out. I'm
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Speaker 3: la da da da dh. That's fine. You're going to
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Speaker 3: get shot. If a law enforcement officer responds, or another
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Speaker 3: off duty officer there and playing clothes, or another civilian
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Speaker 3: who decides to do the same thing, all they know
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Speaker 3: is somebody is shooting. They see somebody with a gun
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Speaker 3: and they're not in uniform, bad for you. So you
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Speaker 3: don't want to be running around with your gun out.
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Speaker 3: Your gun should still be concealed, you know, in your hands.
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Speaker 3: We teach a rest position where you cover up the firearm,
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Speaker 3: you kind of hunt your body. You are not taking
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Speaker 3: an aggressive stance, You're you're looking more submissive, but you're
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Speaker 3: moving not maybe not directly out of target. You know,
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Speaker 3: you're maybe moving from position to cover to position a
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Speaker 3: cover tactically so that you don't look like as a purpose.
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Speaker 3: So yes, if a guy is shooting up a place
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Speaker 3: and he turns and sees you coming directly at him,
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Speaker 3: obviously you now become the focus of that threat and
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Speaker 3: now it's it's an all out gun battle between you
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Speaker 3: and him. Hopefully you can go out shooting. So you
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Speaker 3: want to try to sneak up but aggressively, assertively, you know, quickly,
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Speaker 3: not maybe not at a dead run. You may want
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Speaker 3: to run for little ways and then slow down. You
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Speaker 3: need to get to a point where you are capable
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Speaker 3: of taking an accurate shot, and that varies based on
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Speaker 3: your skill sett and that's what you need to do
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Speaker 3: at the range is to determine what you can do
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Speaker 3: wnded what you can do under stress, what your capabilities are,
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Speaker 3: because if you're not capable of taking a headshot at
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Speaker 3: seven to ten yards and then beyond, that's not going
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Speaker 3: to happen under stressed period. I don't care who you are,
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Speaker 3: then you don't need to be trying to do that
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Speaker 3: into a crowded location. I mean, you don't be part
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Speaker 3: of the problem, be part of solution. And so you
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Speaker 3: need to know what you're capable of. And which is
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Speaker 3: why I say, you know, sometimes it's a matter of
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Speaker 3: setting up shops somewhere and barricading and waiting for that
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Speaker 3: person to come to you. If they are now, if
21:53
Speaker 3: they're moving in your direction, that changes the equation. You
21:55
Speaker 3: need to set in a static position and wait and
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Speaker 3: take a support of or can cover concealment, take a
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Speaker 3: supported shop, maybe wait for them to walk past. You
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Speaker 3: walk up behind them and honestly, I hate to say it,
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Speaker 3: shoot them in a bag of a head. You know,
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Speaker 3: at that point anything goes. So we actually teach drills
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Speaker 3: like that in some of our classes. But the so
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Speaker 3: getting there and then if you engage the person, you
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Speaker 3: take a shot, you need to now you've won the
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Speaker 3: battle standing there over that person with a gun in
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Speaker 3: your hand. Again, terrible idea, because you're going to have
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Speaker 3: tunnel vision, auditory exclusion these things under critical incident stress.
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Speaker 3: You're not going to hear the commands people are given
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Speaker 3: to you. You're not going to see law enforcement show
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Speaker 3: up or other people. The minute this thing is over
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Speaker 3: and you've scanned the environment briefly to determine there's no
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Speaker 3: longer a threat, you need to put your gun back up.
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Speaker 3: You need to conceal it, maybe set it on something
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Speaker 3: next to you, and get your hands away from it.
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Speaker 3: I say, put it back where you got it from,
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Speaker 3: put it back in your holst, you conceal it again,
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Speaker 3: and then stand there with your empty hands. You shouldn't
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Speaker 3: have anything in your hands because when you're challenged by
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Speaker 3: law enforcement or whoever shows up, you don't need to.
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Speaker 3: There don't need there doesn't need to be any misunderstanding,
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Speaker 3: right So uh so, yeah, I mean there's there's the
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Speaker 3: do you do it? Do you go? Do you wait?
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Speaker 3: Make that decision? What are you capable of? And then
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Speaker 3: what do you do in the aftermath? And then you
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Speaker 3: keep your mouth shut? Don't get an attorney? You know,
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Speaker 3: I think you're going to be a hero if you've
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Speaker 3: done this. However, yeah, stranger things have happened. Call somebody
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Speaker 3: you know, call this well, you know, talk you through
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Speaker 3: it if we have to. It's not really our job,
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Speaker 3: but I don't know. Just be safe, but be prepared,
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Speaker 3: you know, be a sheep dog.
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Speaker 1: That's why you go to the range, to be as
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Speaker 1: prepared as you can be. Thanks for the time, sure,
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Speaker 1: Charlie Strickland with me from the Talent Training Group forty
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Speaker 1: six past the hour,