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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Matt Patricia Mixed In New Looks To Shut Down Penn State · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Friday, November seventh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the Ohio State defense, which
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  Speaker 1: turned in another dominating performance, and we're starting to hit
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  Speaker 1: on some common themes. One of themes we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: a bunch this year is how they've sort of been
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  Speaker 1: mixing up fronts and using that penny front, and that
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  Speaker 1: was something they did once again with great success against
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  Speaker 1: Penn State.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, we've talked about how they've probably run the penny front,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a quarter to a third of the time.
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  Speaker 2: And that's this five to one look right where you
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  Speaker 2: got three down line men, the two stand up edge guys,
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  Speaker 2: one of which is rbl Reza. Then generally Styles or
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  Speaker 2: could be Payton Pierce is the middle linebacker. And you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: like this play. The reason that the Paining front is
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  Speaker 2: so effective, it's really to defend zone runs. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of teams based on his own it's frankly
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  Speaker 2: surprising that teams like continue to run it against the
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  Speaker 2: Penny front like they probably should be checking out of
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  Speaker 2: it for this reason, right, and so there's just no
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  Speaker 2: double team. So Edric Houston, even though he's lined up
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  Speaker 2: head up, he uses what's called a lag technique, So
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  Speaker 2: whichever way the center is going to go, he goes
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  Speaker 2: the opposite a gap. So you see that here right,
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  Speaker 2: this is an inside zone to the left, he's going
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  Speaker 2: to take that left a gap. Sonny Styles has the
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  Speaker 2: the other a gap then, and so you just get
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of single blocks, right, and so you can't
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  Speaker 2: like the concept of zone as you're doubling to get
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  Speaker 2: vertical movement up to the second level. We talked about
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  Speaker 2: that with the High State's run game and there's nowhere
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  Speaker 2: to go. And obviously, like Houston is so dominant as
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  Speaker 2: a run defender in this situation, like he instead to
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  Speaker 2: display is the guard backwards? Uh, you know Kenyata Jackson
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  Speaker 2: beats his blog arval Reese like for a linebacker is yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's probably frankly more effective in this edge roll, like
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  Speaker 2: great use of his hands to disengage, uh and then
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  Speaker 2: make the tackle. But you know, overall, like this penny front. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, it's like one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: Matt Patricia has brought to Ohio State this season, and
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  Speaker 2: it's just been so effective at eliminating zone run games.
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  Speaker 1: The Ohio State defense has been so good this year
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  Speaker 1: that when teams find something that seems like it works
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  Speaker 1: a few times, it's like whoa, wha, whoa, wha, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: what what is going on here? He kind of had
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  Speaker 1: that a little bit when Illinois was running some tempo
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  Speaker 1: in the second half against them a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: and then there was this toss play where Penn State
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  Speaker 1: was kind of overloading one side of the line and
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  Speaker 1: with the with lineman and they would just kind of
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  Speaker 1: run this sort of basic cost play and they had
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  Speaker 1: some success with this is you know, this is not
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  Speaker 1: the This did not turn into a tim Biakabatuca game
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that, but it was one of those
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  Speaker 1: things where you saw it work a couple of times
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  Speaker 1: and it was like huh, and then it felt like
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  Speaker 1: they did something to address that later where it sort
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  Speaker 1: of went away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Pencate came out with the opening play of the
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  Speaker 2: game with a variation of this, and you're starting to
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  Speaker 2: see responses right like, as they get more film out there,
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  Speaker 2: some of the similar frankly concepts as Illinoid did in
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  Speaker 2: terms of like using tempo, getting really spread out and
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  Speaker 2: getting like unbalanced, whether that's with like a bunch sets.
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  Speaker 2: Pen Sate sent did some of that to get the
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  Speaker 2: three over two or this I think partially like because
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  Speaker 2: like we were just talking about the Penny front and
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  Speaker 2: what it's good at, like one limitation to the Penny front.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very balanced look. And by that I mean
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  Speaker 2: like if you divide the center, divide the ball in
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  Speaker 2: half through the middle of the center, like you have
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  Speaker 2: the same number of players to each side of the
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  Speaker 2: offensive formation, and then especially if like if you're in
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  Speaker 2: cover three, then you're even more you know, straight down
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  Speaker 2: you got three guys right down the middle, and so
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  Speaker 2: what teams are doing is like they're overloading one side
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  Speaker 2: or the other to force State to adjust. And so
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  Speaker 2: pen Sate kind of did a combo here they run this,
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  Speaker 2: so they have seven offensive linemen on the field. Both
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  Speaker 2: those guys that are sort of in the backfield are
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  Speaker 2: also offensive linemen. They would huddle and then it's called
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  Speaker 2: a muddle huddle. They'd huddle then run to the line
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  Speaker 2: of scrimmage and snap it really quickly, so High State
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  Speaker 2: didn't have time to get adjusted. And you know what
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  Speaker 2: a Higo State needs to do is like they need
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  Speaker 2: to bump everything over, so like the center is no
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  Speaker 2: longer considered the center, right like you you create a
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  Speaker 2: new center basically off the tackle or at least off
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  Speaker 2: the guard. And so have Penn State caught them a
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  Speaker 2: few times like this, like as you said, like these
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  Speaker 2: plays that they have utility right like unbalanced, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Koltanniki for Penn State, like this is sort of his
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  Speaker 2: like bread and butter to do these kind of like
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  Speaker 2: trick plays for lack of a better word, let's say,
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  Speaker 2: like unusual looks some work some didn't like when they
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  Speaker 2: tried to run that, you know flea flick or double
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  Speaker 2: reverse pass, and High State was just sitting in Tampa
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  Speaker 2: and like it was dead to rights. But so they
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  Speaker 2: gained some success with this obvious say this helped spur
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  Speaker 2: a drive. It's sort of hard to sustain this stuff
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  Speaker 2: because you can then adjust once you see it a
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  Speaker 2: couple of times. But this is just something to look
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  Speaker 2: for going forward. As I said, like Penn State also
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  Speaker 2: had some success like getting out, you know, with twelve
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  Speaker 2: personality at oate base and then like spread the tight
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  Speaker 2: ends out and then throw wide receiver screens. You get
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  Speaker 2: three over two. So using again like the offense being unbalanced,
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  Speaker 2: even like whether literally unbalanced or like the numbers, like
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  Speaker 2: putting seven guys to one side of the ball at
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  Speaker 2: forty the other to force I Sate out of this
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  Speaker 2: sort of balanced cover. Three looks all right.
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  Speaker 1: One of the other things we've talked about with Matt
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  Speaker 1: Patricia's defense this year is how teams are trying to
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  Speaker 1: use motion to manipulate them, but how Matt Patricia sometimes
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  Speaker 1: motion will trigger something in the Matt Patricia defense that
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  Speaker 1: is something that the opponent doesn't mean to do. This
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  Speaker 1: next one, this feels like this is probably a good
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  Speaker 1: example of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, these are some of the things that Patricia's brought
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  Speaker 2: with them. Nick Saban, I think we mentioned a few
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago on game day, had had great segum on
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  Speaker 2: Patricia's defense, and you know he talked about these auto
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  Speaker 2: check blitzes, right, So, like what's happening here consistently is
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  Speaker 2: like when Penn State would use this fast motion, A
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams, including Ohio State, like to use this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you send the tight end quickly right before
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  Speaker 2: the snap, try to create these split zone looks. Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State kept blitzing this kind of motion, whether it's it's
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  Speaker 2: from Caleb Downs here, saw it from the cornerbacks as well,
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  Speaker 2: and you're just the thought being like you're generally not
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  Speaker 2: going to get a threat back to that side of
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  Speaker 2: the field away from the motion, and so you know
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  Speaker 2: here like for instance, you could see Caleb Down's pointing
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  Speaker 2: so high State's in cover one. So now the deep
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  Speaker 2: defender becomes responsible for that tight end. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: opposite side corner then has the inline tight end, and
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  Speaker 2: you're just gaining a number. You're basically using how offenses
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  Speaker 2: tend to use motion against them. So just one more
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  Speaker 2: sort of wrinkle Patricia's brod that has helped limit a
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  Speaker 2: potent run games.
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  Speaker 1: All right, now we're gonna move on to the pass game.
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  Speaker 1: And Penn State had a little bit of success here
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  Speaker 1: and there in the past game. This first one is
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  Speaker 1: soon for example, where they sort of found a hole
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  Speaker 1: in his own What struck me about this, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure this is not what you're gonna be talking about,
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  Speaker 1: but what struck me about this was, man, Arvel Reese
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  Speaker 1: is way downfield on this one. This is a ball
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  Speaker 1: that Ethan Brunkenmeier sort of layered in nicely. But you
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  Speaker 1: think about Rvel Reese being right around the line of
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  Speaker 1: scrimmage and he is dropped way into coverage on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, which is what here's supposed to do? Right,
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  Speaker 2: Like this is called a robot technique from the linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you see play action and you bite down
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  Speaker 2: on it, you basically turn and run. So you like robot.
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  Speaker 2: It's an acronym for retracing your steps to state basically,
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  Speaker 2: but you keep getting that depth. But you know high
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  Speaker 2: State again, like see little little chinks in the armor.
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  Speaker 2: If you will have the scheme and like every every
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  Speaker 2: scheme has them right, and so like High State's running
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Cover three, and particularly when they played
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  Speaker 2: more of like just like a base spot drop cover three,
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  Speaker 2: you can hit some of these like middle throws right
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  Speaker 2: and so like especially here because Penn State motions to trips,
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  Speaker 2: so you have three wide receivers. State doesn't bump the
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  Speaker 2: cover three. What will give an example when they do
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  Speaker 2: and the difference that makes. But so you end up
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  Speaker 2: with both Caleb Downs and the backside boundary corner basically
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  Speaker 2: just guarden air right, and so then your your down
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  Speaker 2: bodies to the trip side of the field, and when
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  Speaker 2: you're not carrying or matching routes down the scene, you
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  Speaker 2: can tend to get these situations right where you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously Reese is trying to get back because he had
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  Speaker 2: that you know, as we talked about reacted to the
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  Speaker 2: play action. But if you know, you get guys running
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  Speaker 2: on the seam like talked about Ohio State, as we said,
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  Speaker 2: like offensively getting a ton of Cover three and like
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  Speaker 2: hitting those steam routes or not. And obviously Penn State
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  Speaker 2: tried to do the same against High State's cover three
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  Speaker 2: on the play where Caleb Downs initially got called for
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  Speaker 2: targeting and then that was waved off like that was open.
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  Speaker 1: They just didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Penn State just didn't get the ball there in time
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  Speaker 2: or in an inaccurate throw. So the more that Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State sort of just plays sort of base hot drop
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  Speaker 2: cover three, which you know, we can talk about like
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  Speaker 2: it's it's sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: a little difficult I think at the moment to figure
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  Speaker 2: out the rhyme or reason other than I think Patricia
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  Speaker 2: is generally happy to like just play base cover three
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  Speaker 2: unless you prove to him that you that you can
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  Speaker 2: beat it, and then he'll start throwing in some variations
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  Speaker 2: like we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know we're going to get to one
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  Speaker 1: of the variations here, But is this next you know,
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  Speaker 1: the idea that you're going to sort of play bass
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  Speaker 1: as much as you can, is that just sort of
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  Speaker 1: why put stuff on film if you don't need to, like,
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  Speaker 1: don't don't dig deeper into the bag than you need
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  Speaker 1: to at this point in the season.
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  Speaker 2: I think so, I think in this specific situation, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know, there's benefits of spot Drop's,
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  Speaker 2: particularly in terms of playing the run. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: playing a team that you're more concerned about their run
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  Speaker 2: game or think that they are more run focused, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like if you if you're freeing up your second level
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  Speaker 2: defenders from having to carry or match routes like their
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  Speaker 2: their eyes are now on the backfield, right, And so
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  Speaker 2: you get you know, positives and benefit negatives to that
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  Speaker 2: like everything else. But yeah, I also think that there's
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  Speaker 2: a particula, like in this game, I kind of got
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  Speaker 2: the feeling after a while that's like I'm just not
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  Speaker 2: going to really like dig too deep on this one
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  Speaker 2: to stop the Penn State offense. You know, we'll see
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  Speaker 2: a few wrinkles here and there, but you know, it
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  Speaker 2: sort of feels like keep keeping some things back until
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  Speaker 2: we really need to, particularly against the pass like they
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  Speaker 2: have have we talked about like sort of in the
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  Speaker 2: bigger picture, like they want to be gapped out right.
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  Speaker 2: They're playing a lot of single high coverage, so they
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  Speaker 2: got eight man spacing against the run, and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, again, I think you have to prove to
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  Speaker 2: Patricia that you can throw the ball consistently for him
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  Speaker 2: to sort of dig deeper.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into we got two more
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  Speaker 1: for you here and this first one. This is one
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about the pass rush being effective. We took
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  Speaker 1: up the coverage being effective. This is kind of a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of both, where coverage is there, there's no
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  Speaker 1: one to go to, and then the pass rush gets
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  Speaker 1: home exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And so like, I don't want to leave the impression
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  Speaker 2: that like all they're doing is you know, spot chop
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  Speaker 2: cover three. We've obviously talked about that that's not the case,
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  Speaker 2: but sometimes has been the case for how to state
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  Speaker 2: in the past, you know, and under the Ryan Day tenure,
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  Speaker 2: but you definitely see plenty of wrinkles both, you know,
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  Speaker 2: within the split safety coverage stuff we've shown in previous
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  Speaker 2: weeks and even here. So this is cover three, but
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  Speaker 2: like this is more how you'd like to play cover
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  Speaker 2: three to defend the pass against trips. Notably, this is
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  Speaker 2: third long, so you're you're much more likely to get pass.
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  Speaker 2: They're running what's called Cover three mabel, which is just
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  Speaker 2: a way of saying they're going to push again, like
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  Speaker 2: Nick Saban term, they're going to push the coverage to
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  Speaker 2: the trips, so they're going to man up the backside.
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  Speaker 2: So Davis and Xsbunoza or excuse me. Jermaine Matthews has
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  Speaker 2: the backside single receiver Manda Man and then either Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Downs or Sunny Styles de Penny, which way the back
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  Speaker 2: releases would have him man demand, and then you're just
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  Speaker 2: going to play cover three. But again everything's so push
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  Speaker 2: as particularly at the second level, defenders pushed over, so
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  Speaker 2: now you have a body for each receipt, and so
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  Speaker 2: then as you said, nowhere to go with the football
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  Speaker 2: and the pressure can get home. So there's there's certainly
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  Speaker 2: like examples of them matching coverages. I think it's sort of,
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  Speaker 2: as I said, down a distance dependent, opponent dependent, game
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  Speaker 2: situation dependent.
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  Speaker 1: And this last one they're bringing a lot more pressure here.
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  Speaker 1: This is one where our velvetes gets the sack and
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  Speaker 1: gets the sack very I mean, just absolutely torches his guy.
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  Speaker 1: But you will also see in this one both outside
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  Speaker 1: corners are also coming here. Matt Patricia does bring a
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  Speaker 1: little to heat, a little bit of extra heat sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like every game there's always, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're just talking about saving things back, a wrinkle or
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  Speaker 2: two that comes out something new. I talked about the
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  Speaker 2: other week. How I've you know, compared to Jim Knowles's
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  Speaker 2: tenure at O High State. Like matt Patricia has rarely
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  Speaker 2: run Cover zero, so that's just man covers with no
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  Speaker 2: deep defender. But he does it here. And it's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting look, right because you it's very disguised. So we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about the disguise from Patricia and you've got what
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  Speaker 2: looks like Cover two. You got two split safeties here,
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  Speaker 2: but as you said, like this actually at the snap,
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  Speaker 2: Davis and nign Nosen's coming off the nub side away
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  Speaker 2: from the trips, and then you have Jermae Matthews and
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  Speaker 2: the slot blitzing as well. And then you got everyone
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  Speaker 2: just playing man. So you got the you know, deep
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  Speaker 2: safety to the near side has that tight end and
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  Speaker 2: the nasty split. You got you know, Lorenzo Styles picking
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  Speaker 2: up the slot receiver, Devin Sanchez has the outside receiver,
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  Speaker 2: and then Downs has that tight end the inside trips receiver.
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  Speaker 2: And so you know, unique pressure again like also you
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  Speaker 2: can talk about like the individual pass rush from RVL
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  Speaker 2: Reese here is fantastic. How he you know, swipes the
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  Speaker 2: hands from the tackle and beats him around the edge.
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  Speaker 2: You have your inside guys you know using it contained
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  Speaker 2: technique and so great design. You know, as I said,
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  Speaker 2: I think there's you know, plenty of these sort of
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  Speaker 2: tricks in the bag, if you will, if they come
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  Speaker 2: into a team who's having more success throwing or just
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  Speaker 2: you know, moving the football generally when they get into
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  Speaker 2: third down situations, because you know, he just hasn't brought
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  Speaker 2: a ton of pressure, you know, even more than certainly
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  Speaker 2: very rarely five, you know, even less six. But saw
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  Speaker 2: a little bit in this game. Saw this here, he
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  Speaker 2: ran a hot pressure which we've talked about before, like
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  Speaker 2: a three deep two under and so, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: just getting some some different looks. It certainly seems like
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  Speaker 2: there's lots of potential tools in the toolbox.
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  Speaker 1: And then this weekend they had to Purdue got a
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  Speaker 1: chance to watch Purdue take on Michigan. Last week. The
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  Speaker 1: produce offense, they moved the ball some, but they weren't
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  Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't a great run threat. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: throw the ball downfield much. It was just kind of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of run the play clock way down, wait
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  Speaker 1: till the headset shut off, and then hustle to the
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  Speaker 1: line and snap it quickly and throw something quick before
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  Speaker 1: the pass rush can get home. What's sort of the
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  Speaker 1: counter to that for Ohio State, or is it just
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  Speaker 1: kind of keep everything in front of you, you and
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  Speaker 1: hope that they don't complete two five yard passes every
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  Speaker 1: three downs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that. I mean, I think Odam's a good coach.
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  Speaker 2: I think they'll use try to use some of these
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  Speaker 2: things we just talked about, right in terms of probably
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: quite a few screens, try to get the ball out
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: on the perimeter, try to use some unbalanced looks, you know,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: test how much Ohio States, you know, can handle tempo communication.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: But I think it's going to be a lot of
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: sort of trying to gain three and four yards at
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: a time.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will be back next week to
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: talk with Ross once again about what the Ohios Date
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: offense was able to do in West Lafayette and what
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: if anything, the Purdue offense was able to do against
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: the Ohio State defense. And when he's back, we will
• 15:46
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• 15:48
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• 15:51
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• 15:53
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• 15:56
  Speaker 1: menu and make a reservation today. That will do it
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: for today. Thank you guys all for joining us. Have
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow