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Week 4 Buy Low Sell High Trade Targets + Can the St. Louis Blues Turn Things Around? | Fantasy Hockey Podcast · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  favorite host Jake, Josh and Kevin, who is with us in spirit
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  again, he's fine. I don't know why we keep making
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  these jokes, but the more. You say he's fine, the more it
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  seems like he's not funny. Absolutely fine.
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  You been feeding him regularly. We actually have that that out.
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  Madness. Maybe we will because listeners
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  already know that we're unhinged, but yeah, yeah.
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  So yeah, he will be back for next week's episode, the news
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  and mailbag episode. So he will be returning.
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  All is, All is well. All is well today, though.
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  Very. Sad.
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  This is credits of like, like the end credits of those Marvel
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  movies where they tell you which characters are gonna be
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  returning. So it's like Kevin will be
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  returning. Kevin is Thanos he's collecting
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  people on his IR like they're Infinity stones and he was just
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  too depressed to come suppose today Yeah exactly.
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  That's right. That's really what happened.
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  So it's sad that he's missing this one because especially as a
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  trio, it's like so great to record this, but we're
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  definitely gonna be reading his selections for him.
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  It's our week 4 by low sell high episode.
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  Always a great time here. So, you know, keep, keep at it
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  with us. So I've the way that that we, we
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  really kind of, I just want to like hammer this home is that
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  these are players that we're recommending to buy low on and
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  sell high on self-explanatory, but there won't necessarily be
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  an immediate turnaround. So starting next week, we're
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  going to be reviewing how our players performed on a two week
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  rolling basis. So for instance, my buy low last
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  week was Hagel. Hagel still sucks.
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  OK, I haven't in my 2 main leagues, but I'm big on that
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  turn around. I think it's going to happen, so
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  yeah. I mean, yeah, you gotta give it,
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  you gotta give it some time. Like if sometimes we'll
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  recommend a bio cell high and then we record the next episode
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  and the guys played like one or two games from now to then.
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  So exactly, it's hard to crown ourselves a winner or loser in
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  terms of, you know, such a small period of time.
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  So I think 2 weeks is a good amount of time to kind of check
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  in on how we're doing with our previous ones.
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  So we'll start. Then reassess every two weeks
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  because after two weeks you'll buy low is still buy lowing then
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  maybe it's just not. Necessarily, but I mean, that'll
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  be what we talk about, right? Let's say hey go still isn't
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  doing well by next week, then we can discuss will be like, is he
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  still a buy low? Was this a miss and all that
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  kind of fun stuff. So we'll discuss that on a on a
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  two week basis. Yep, and it's gonna add another
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  in the discord, but I'm there too.
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  That was that was actually crazy.
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  I was like, did I say it wrongly?
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  Kevin usually loves correcting me after I give my explanations
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  and I was like. No, I just wanted to say it.
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  Yeah, yeah. So, so listen to Josh and join
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  our Discord. It's a great place to be.
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  Very fun, engaging with everyone who's been in there so far.
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  So yeah, we're just, we want to grow that community and there's
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  Trade advice starts at questions, people to buy low,
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  sell high on. I guess that's the same thing as
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  trade advice, but you'll see it's a great place to be and
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  it's gonna really help you win your fantasy leagues.
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  I'm pretty sure that most of our listeners said that they're atop
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  their leagues 3 weeks in, so that's.
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  As they should be, otherwise we disown you.
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  Just kidding. Alright, let's start with some.
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  JKJK Yeah, alright. But you all better win.
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  Yeah, let's start with Joshua's. Bye Lo.
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  All right, my buy low for this week is Evan Bouchard of the
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  Edmonton Oilers. Bouchard I mean this is a big
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  topic that a lot of people are talking about, so I felt it was
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  important to mention. I definitely do believe in the
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  bounce back. He went pointless in the first
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  six games of the season before going back-to-back games with
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  the power play assist. Not that he didn't blow up to,
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  you know, immediately bring everyone back into not being
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  worried about him, but still, it's nice to get on the board.
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  But Edmonton as a whole has been off to a very slow start, going
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  4-3 and one in their first eight games.
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  And I mean, this is kind of stuff like this happens when you
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  make the finals 2 years in a row, right?
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  And you've got that Stanley Cup fatigue, minus the Stanley Cups,
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  unfortunately, but. Cupless Stanley Cup fatigue.
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  Exactly, but it makes sense to go off to slow start.
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  They have the 6th best power play in the league even Despite
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  that slow start and Bouchard is a key part of it.
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  This isn't one of those power plays that the defenseman never
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  touches the puck. This is a blue shirt is a big
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  big part of it. I'd say he's the third most
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  important guy on there after McDavid and Draisaitl.
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  Obviously. Another part of it is Hyman is
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  expected to be back November 1st that was recently announced.
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  So I expect their power play and even strength production to get
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  even better. Bouchard shots and blocks are
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  even higher than last year and his shots are in goal are elite
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  from a defenseman of 3.4 so far this year.
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  So it's not like he's just giving you straight gross.
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  He's giving you signs of life. He's going to bounce back in a
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  big way, so if you can get him now, now it's the best time to
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  try. Yeah, and and honestly, like I
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  I, I drive to dry saddle in the first round and like he's been
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  good, but he hasn't been like elite dry somewhat.
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  Yeah, expect, you know, and maybe Harman is just a lot more
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  important to this team than we whether we thought I mean.
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  I think it's necessarily just timing.
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  I think that's a nice thing to think that will be a boost, but
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  I don't think that's it. I think sometimes get off to a
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  slow start. I don't think this is new for
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  Edmonton. I had him drive Seattle last
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  year and they like I said, there is some seek there and playing
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  nonstop for almost three years straight.
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  So that definitely is part of it.
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  It's also it's not just fatigue, right?
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  It's kind of the mindset of you just came from playing the most
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  intense high level, you know, the Stanley Cup playoffs, like
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  the intensity was there, the stakes were so high and then you
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  have to come back to playing game one of the regular season.
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  It's kind of it's hard to kind of get back into that mindset,
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  right as a mental thing. So it'll take some a bit of time
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  to get back into. But I have 0 doubt that
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  Bouchard, I mean, he was drafted as probably the fourth highest
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  defencemen in most leagues is probably McCarty, Hughes and
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  then Warenski, Bouchard, something like that.
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  So he's gonna be that value. And if the person who has him is
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  panicking, that's a great time to jump on that.
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  Some targets that I'm looking at is that you can use to get
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  Bouchard, looking at Adam Fox, Thomas Harley, Charlie McAvoy,
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  Morgan Riley. Obviously these are all guys who
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  are ranked a lot lower than Bouchard, but they're all off to
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  pretty hot starts. I highly doubt anyone's going to
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  win for one of those with you. Obviously that would be ideal,
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  but but if you can give that defenseman plus a little bit
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  more to get Bouchard, I think it's super worth it and I think
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  it's very possible to get it done.
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  This is gonna add a tremendous amount of value to your team.
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  The only one on this list that you mentioned was gonna score as
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  many points is Fox, and even at that I think Bouchard's a much
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  better bet to score more points. Yeah, right.
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  And Fox, but he's the only one who he doesn't shoot as much.
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  As non-existent exactly so you can clearly tell that there's
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  some positive regression due for Bouchard because he has been
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  shooting as you mentioned quite a bit actually and these rules
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  are just not going great. And you know, like to to add the
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  Hyman thing into this is like when Hyman's net front like he's
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  getting in that goal, he's face and he's like, there's a much
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  higher chance that the Bush bomb succeeds if they have someone
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  screening like look, Tomashek, like I had high hopes when I
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  drafted him, like her picked him up like right at the start of
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  the season, dropped them right away.
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  I mean it's not the same thing now says that's the hymen of it
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  all is a small part of the equation.
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  Edmonton starts slow that this happened last year.
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  Like I was trying to buy low and dry subtly ended up getting like
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  the most goals in the league so. Yeah.
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  Bouchard has absolutely no competition for that power
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  player 1. Wallman got the big contract.
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  Ignore that he's a defensive defenseman.
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  Nurse, no chance. Echo, no chance.
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  It's like Bouchard is gonna be a huge part of the offence for
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  Edmonton and I think this is a fantastic, fantastic buy low
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  even. Like probably you're gonna have
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  to give the players you mentioned plus, but I think that
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  that others don't really know how bad Edmonton usually starts.
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  So to be able to pull something like that off, I don't even
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  think the plus has to be too. Much that's the plus has to be a
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  lot lower than it would have to be if Bouchard was starting off
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  as high as you would expect him to.
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  So I think just the gap is a lot smaller right now in a lot of
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  people Bouchard owners minds. So you can make it happen at a
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  much cheaper price. For sure.
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  I mean, like, I'm just thinking like Bouchard was drafted the
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  beginning of the third round in our league.
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  You don't need to give anything near that.
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  Like no. Exactly addition, you know, so I
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  really, really like it. All right, let's move on.
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  I'm gonna read Kevin's choice for his bi lo, all right?
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  I'll do his sell high. Wonderful alright of the Tampa
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  Bay Lightning we have a goaltender Andrei Vasilevsky, so
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  I'm gonna be speaking about this from Kevin's perspective because
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  he. Likes to do the voice.
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  If I yes, you want to like try to sound like Kevin.
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  Yeah, that's what great. That was great.
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  No, you're good. You're good.
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  It's not what you think it sounds like.
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  No, no, no, I was just doing his, like his.
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  I know, alright. He let me see if I could bring
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  some like Kevin flair into this. He doesn't have like a very
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  memorable voice though. That's the only problem.
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  Alright, let me see if I told you that no, this is not going
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  to work. Just go normal.
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  Alright, if I told you this top three drafted goalie, a
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  perennial fantasy superstar. Kind of nice.
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  Nice for the Kevin. Would be on a tap a team that
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  has only won one of their opening seven games and that
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  Vasilevsky would be winless. Oh my God, what a long sentence.
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  I know six starts. I don't think you would believe
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  me before the season. Wow, OK, that was a no wonder he
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  could do the number one. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaking in that like with no punctuation.
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  Lungs of a champ. Yeah, honestly he currently has
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  a 3.41 goals against average 8.885 save percentage.
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  These are horrible numbers for Vasilevsky.
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  Very true Kevin with the climate.
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  What the climate the goalie is OK with the climate of the
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  goalie position for four with the climate policy position is
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  in for fantasy right now. OK kinda cool.
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  With all the injuries and under performances, the chance to
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  scoop up Vass like this doesn't come around very often.
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  True. With how open the division is
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  right now, we all think Tapa is the best team here and should
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  probably end up first. This Tampa team is poised for a
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  bounce back. We've seen Kucherov and Hagel.
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  Yep, start very slow and could even missed games.
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  Once the teams are as clicking, it'll be a natural sequence of
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  events for Vasilevsky to go back to being elite.
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  Guys like this are not always available, but right now,
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  winless after almost three weeks into the season, there's an
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  opportunity and there's very few names I wouldn't trade for
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  Vasilevsky right now. I want to nickname right now.
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  Yeah, well, that's Leski right now, no.
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  OK cool. I'm not at all worried about his
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  goalie stats or the team's potential to win.
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  The only goalie I would for sure want above him is Hella Buck.
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  Fair enough there Kevork. Good one for one targets.
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  Logan Thompson, Stuart Skinner, UC Saros Eager Cistercian for
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  Vasilevsky, plus interest. Yeah, I mean, I agree with
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  everything he's saying. I will say I'm not sure at this
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  point, I don't know if I'm still sold on Tampa is number one in
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  the division. I think they should easily be
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  way better than they're doing right now.
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  So that I don't disagree with, but sounds like it's gonna cook
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  for the have. So it'll be hard to dismantle
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  us. But all that to say, no, this is
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  obviously crazy. Like Maslowski is ranked the
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  second best goalie in every league before the season started
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  and he didn't just stop, you know, forget how to play goalie,
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  right? And it's not like the team in
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  front of him got drastically where it's like dealing with any
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  big injuries. It's not anything like that.
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  Cooper still a great coach. They're going to be fine.
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  He's going to bounce back. And like Evan said, this is a
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  very, very rare opportunity to grab a goalie like this.
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  So I like his targets. I mean, I don't think anyone's
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  gonna do these one for once. I think you're obviously gonna
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  have to throw in a bit more. I think honestly, you could
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  target him with some better goalies.
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  Like I have Darcy Kemper. I sent an offer of Kemper Plus
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  for Vasilevsky and got rejected. But still, you know, it was
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  worth the shot. I think there's like Chesterton
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  for Vasilevsky Plus I think is really solid because you're
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  seeing starting put up unreal performances and the Rangers
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  team in front of him is just not helping him out at all.
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  Obviously things are gonna be really good this year.
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  Manchester is gonna be good this year, but vessels he's gonna be
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  better. Yeah.
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  So I don't think you need like obviously if you can pull it off
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  with one of these goalies he listed, it's dream scenario.
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  I just think there's no one in the right bar whose mind who's
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  taking Stuart Skinner or Staros for Vasilevsky.
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  So you obviously have to add in a big plus or aim with choose
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  your top goalie and who you drafted, let's say 3-4 rounds
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  past Vasilevsky and use him to try and get Vasilevsky.
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  Obviously it feels bad because you're hopefully your top
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  goalies performing pretty well and basketball even garbage, but
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  like, that's how you that's how you pull off a trade like this.
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  You're gonna still have to pay up to get someone this elite.
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  No one's trading away their second round pick or sometimes
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  even first round pick for pennies after three weeks, but
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  they might be willing to trade him for less than they would
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  have before the season started with how bad he's been.
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  I totally concur on this one. The thing with his targets, the
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  issue is that they were definitely drafted way way way
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  way later. Except for historical.
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  Of course, Exactly. So that's really like the
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  problem is that you're now in a position where the guy who took
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  Vasilevsky is probably, you know, sacrifice taking a great
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  forward. Yeah.
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  And the way that I would actually look at this is that
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  although I totally agree with Kevin's analysis here, if you're
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  gonna try to buy Vasilevsky, I would consider giving valuable
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  forward instead. That's what I would think.
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  It's like, yes, like that shifts the buyer's identity on their
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  team. We're generally 0G guys, but I
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  think that you can give someone who's like a very reasonable,
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  that overperforming guide to get Vasilevsky and it wouldn't be
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  like totally far off. Like, would you give, let's say
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  you needed the goaltending help, OK.
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  Yeah. Like just just in general, would
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  you give Mika's about Nejad for Vasilevsky?
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  Easily every single day of the week.
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  And I think that that could maybe get done.
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  Yeah. I don't think that's so crazy,
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  right? Yeah.
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  Would you give Eric Sinek for Vasilevsky?
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  Yeah, yeah. There you go.
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  You know what I'm saying? Like.
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  This is 100%. Huge element to your team and
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  Vasilevsky will like. If you're buying Vasilevsky
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  anyways, I think that the way to look at it is that.
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  You're not. Clocking in for goalies.
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  Yeah, I mean, look at look at Kevin's like targets toss in
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  give the Skinner plus Zibanejad for Vasilevsky.
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  There you go. You know, like that's that could
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  possibly get done. I don't even know if you need to
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  give dinner. That's what I'm saying though.
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  You know what? I.
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  Mean no ones gonna trade away Vasilevsky and not get a goalie
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  in return. True, true.
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  I just even. And also you don't want to take
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  on an extra goal you necessarily obviously everyone's teams in a
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  different spot, but usually I would assume that it would be a
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  goalie for goalie, but you'd. Have to pass or nice even, like
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  I don't know. I mean, I guess do you think
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  Skinner over Spencer, just out of curiosity?
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  Um, that's really on the receiver of the offers, how they
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  view people, you know, like I think I prefer Skinner dispenser
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  night, but Spencer night might have more trade value right now
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  with how well he's been. Doing there you go.
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  So I think that can be a part of it.
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  You know, like you can really give like the the crux of the
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  trade being a good forward, like the ones that we just mentioned.
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  You know what I mean? Alex Tuck.
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  Alex fucks another one who I feel like I mean, he's a good
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  player. He's gonna get you the short
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  hand points to and what not, but.
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  No brainer when a guy like Vasilevsky's available give
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  these guys off. Easily.
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  What I would do is give a forward who's overperforming,
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  plus my second best goalie, who let's say it's like, you know,
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  you have like a Logan Thompson and a, I don't know, like Jeremy
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  Swagman. I would keep Sure Thompson.
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  I'd give Swamin and Erickson back if this is an option and
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  try to get back Vasilevski. Don't think that's so crazy.
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  It's not that crazy, but if the person counters with the Tom
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  Thompson and Ericsson neck from asking, I'm still doing that.
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  Honestly, yeah, fair, fair. Because Vasilevsky is gonna is
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  gonna be able to win you goalie categories pretty much all year.
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  But he's pretty much like he's the only guy who's in the
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  conversation of like hella buck, you know, like, like for the
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  past few years. So we can't forget that.
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  Obviously he's off to a rough start, but he is that that good.
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  So I would give a lot to be able to get him.
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  And I think there's a I think there's a really good
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  opportunity here. Let's move on to your Bilo.
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  Yes, my bi lo is and you know the intro I'm about to give to
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  him. I know I've done this before and
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  it's because he's been a bi lo in the past and if you look at
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  how he ended up performing last year, you're very happy owning
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  this player on this team. It is the Matchbox 20 lead.
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  Let's see how far we've come. Smooth featuring Santana Robert
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  Thomas OK, let us dive into this now that my incredible intro is
• 19:25
  over all right at the time of this recording, Saint Louis
• 19:28
  effing sucks. OK, they're running 12th lowest
• 19:31
  in the league for goals four. I was very high on them coming
• 19:35
  into the season and we spoke about this in our previous
• 19:38
  streamers episode. Realistically, like they just
• 19:41
  love doing this. I don't know why it's super
• 19:44
  annoying, but hey, they start slow and then they end up
• 19:46
  amazing. Including the year they won the
• 19:48
  cup. Since the COVID year, Comics has
• 19:50
  exceeded a point per game in three of his last Four Seasons
• 19:54
  for the Blues. As bad as things are looking and
• 19:56
  the goals scored column right now, it's even worse than goals
• 19:58
  against. I think similar to the Ducks and
• 20:02
  other teams that want to win games, they're not a shut down
• 20:05
  team. They're gonna find a way to win
• 20:07
  and it's gonna be by scoring goals.
• 20:09
  It's not going to be by shutting down teams defensively.
• 20:12
  OK, so this offence runs through Thomas.
• 20:15
  He's easily their best offensive player.
• 20:18
  And I anticipate a bounce back very, very soon.
• 20:21
  He's never had a lead peripheral categories other than face offs.
• 20:24
  I wouldn't expect that to change.
• 20:25
  But this feels like a really good time to buy low on a point
• 20:28
  per game player at his cheapest value.
• 20:30
  That is gonna be all season. So some of the names that I'm
• 20:34
  about to mention may seem quite low, especially compared to
• 20:37
  where you drafted Thomas, but especially because he doesn't
• 20:41
  have the Bangor category floor. I think you could trade them for
• 20:44
  Thomas and it's reasonable that it may get done.
• 20:47
  Nick Schmaltz, Elias Lindholm, Roope Hintz and Leo Carlson.
• 20:52
  No, I like this a lot. A lot.
• 20:54
  Obviously Thomas, like the thing that kind of holds them back is
• 20:58
  that he's not the best at back catch other than faceoff wins,
• 21:01
  right? He doesn't shoot much, doesn't
• 21:02
  hit, doesn't block, but in terms of the points and power play
• 21:05
  points, but especially the points, he's easily over a point
• 21:07
  per game and he's not doing anywhere near that right now.
• 21:10
  So definitely, definitely I like your targets.
• 21:15
  Nick Schmaltz would be the ultimate sell high buy low like
• 21:17
  that would be an unreal flip. Elias Lindholm too, absolutely
• 21:21
  Leo Carlson 2 Rubens is the interesting one because he's
• 21:24
  really over performing right now.
• 21:26
  So he's definitely a sell high. But I just wonder if you can aim
• 21:29
  higher than Thomas with hints. But you know what, I think if
• 21:32
  you sent him to Thomas, that gets done.
• 21:34
  And if you just, you know, tell me right now, which one would I
• 21:37
  rather have on my team rest this season I'm taking Thomas.
• 21:39
  So all that being said, I do think the other three are like
• 21:42
  way bigger wins for you, but also less likely to necessarily
• 21:45
  get done. But but I like all these targets
• 21:48
  and I like Thomas a lot as a target.
• 21:49
  Saint Louis is not going to be this bad the whole year.
• 21:51
  My only thing with Saint Louis at first is that they have that
• 21:55
  split power play, right? So obviously whichever play
• 21:57
  Thomas is on is the 1A, but that takes away a lot of opportunity
• 22:00
  when it's so split. But with how bad they've been
• 22:03
  doing, Monty has been shaking up the lines a lot and he really
• 22:06
  loaded up on that power play 1. So if that starts clicking, then
• 22:10
  that can be really huge for them and huge for Tomas.
• 22:12
  So all that being said, I fully agree on the buy low and I love
• 22:15
  the the targets you put. Yeah, and I'm putting my money
• 22:18
  where my mouth is by keeping Cam Fowler around, which is awful
• 22:25
  because he has been horrible, but the whole Saint Louis team
• 22:28
  has been horrible. So my way of looking at this is
• 22:30
  that I'm really hoping and I'm confident that there's going to
• 22:36
  be a big bounce back for the Blues.
• 22:38
  Very not gonna be this bad. They might not be as good as you
• 22:41
  thought they were gonna be, but like, they're not gonna be this
• 22:43
  bad. Well, yeah, if you could buy low
• 22:46
  on Thomas right now, I think it's a good, good time.
• 22:49
  Do you agree with the I know you spoke about hints and schmaltz,
• 22:54
  Lindholm and Carlson. I feel like they're like less
• 22:57
  sell high ish than the others because the others have been
• 23:00
  performing really well. But I'm.
• 23:01
  Still, I mean, Lindholm definitely like Dinos come back
• 23:03
  to Earth a little bit, but he started off super hot and
• 23:05
  Carlson's been really good and I think that.
• 23:08
  Done. Maybe a?
• 23:09
  Little. It depends on the league owner
• 23:12
  obviously and like you might have thrown a little bit more,
• 23:14
  but I think those are huge ones if you can get those done.
• 23:17
  Yeah, absolutely. OK, let's begin with your cell
• 23:20
  high. Which are not really.
• 23:22
  So high I mentioned it. Before, yeah.
• 23:25
  That's right. My cell high is Spencer Knight.
• 23:29
  We actually spoke about night on our mailbag episode, but he is
• 23:32
  the clearest sell high goalie I've seen in a long time.
• 23:35
  He's got three wins in six starts and his averaging 1.97
• 23:38
  goals against average, .937 save percentage and 29.5 saves per
• 23:42
  game. Chicago is currently 9th in the
• 23:44
  league standings, but they will finish bottom 7 in the league
• 23:47
  again this year. I don't feel I almost put bottom
• 23:49
  five. I was like I'll cover my cover
• 23:51
  my butt a little bit, put bottom 7 just so it's not as not as
• 23:56
  easier to be right. But honestly I'm expecting
• 23:59
  bottom 5. They're off to a really hot
• 24:01
  start and have some exciting young names providing some
• 24:03
  flashy value to start the season.
• 24:04
  But their decor is still awful and young players are very
• 24:07
  inconsistent over the course of a long season.
• 24:09
  Chicago is not a good team. I know they're starting off fun,
• 24:12
  but let me just tell you, they're not good.
• 24:13
  Spencer Night, a great goalie, but this is not his year.
• 24:16
  And I know that's crazy with how well he's doing, but it's just
• 24:18
  it's not gonna maintain like this.
• 24:19
  This is a clear, clear, clear cell high.
• 24:22
  The more he plays well, the better of a cell high he is.
• 24:25
  Don't convince yourself that this is gonna happen all season
• 24:27
  because it's not. Here are some targets I'm
• 24:29
  looking at. Linus Omark.
• 24:31
  They've been he's been really awful so far.
• 24:33
  So I think this can absolutely get done.
• 24:35
  Andre Vasilevsky obviously would have to do night plus, but
• 24:38
  Vasilevsky's been really bad. Jacob Markstrom, I think New
• 24:41
  Jersey is going to be really good this year and Markstrom is
• 24:43
  injured, but he should be back within a week or two.
• 24:45
  So I like this as an opportunity to to try and get that done.
• 24:49
  Mackenzie Blackwood on that same vein of injured goalies, there's
• 24:52
  a lot of, you know, questions with Blackwood because
• 24:53
  Wedgewood's been so solid. But there's no doubt in my mind
• 24:56
  that at the very least block what's going to be the 1A and
• 24:58
  Colorado could potentially win the Presidents Trophy this year.
• 25:00
  So these are all targets I think could get done.
• 25:02
  The hardest one will be Vasilevsky like that you'll have
• 25:05
  to add. But the other three there is a
• 25:06
  chance where you can just straight up send it one for one
• 25:08
  and the owner accepts it. So I think this is a really,
• 25:11
  really good opportunity. And you have Spencer night on
• 25:13
  your team. I would be doing everything I
• 25:15
  can to try and sell high on him. Yeah, I mean, well said.
• 25:18
  He's just been so good. Like this is ridiculous.
• 25:21
  Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it's it's it's not
• 25:25
  sustainable for the best goalie on the best team, right?
• 25:29
  Yeah. So let's already just pretend
• 25:32
  that this is a decent year for Chicago and they're gonna be
• 25:36
  fighting for a playoff spot. And, you know, Knight, who was
• 25:39
  supposed to have been elite, was drafted, made no sense by
• 25:42
  Florida super high, and then they signed off.
• 25:44
  But that's a conversation for another time.
• 25:46
  And then like all that, everything goes in his favor.
• 25:50
  It's still a sell high, right? Yeah.
• 25:53
  And I I think that like, you know, you're you're putting
• 25:56
  targets here that are realistic to get done.
• 25:59
  Vasilevsky's gonna be plus, as you mentioned.
• 26:01
  But it's like all of them I'm easily confident having
• 26:05
  overnight. There's not many starting NHL
• 26:08
  goalies that I would want on my night over, you know what I
• 26:12
  mean? Like exactly.
• 26:13
  There's probably the, I mean like, like at this point, like a
• 26:18
  rather night over Montana, because who knows what's gonna
• 26:20
  happen with Dobesh. Yeah, I take night over any of
• 26:23
  or most of the tandem guys. But in terms of, like you said,
• 26:26
  like a guy who's getting the starting like workload like
• 26:29
  Knight is, there's very few that I would not take overnight.
• 26:32
  Exactly. And you can aim like way higher
• 26:36
  for those guys now than the ones that you mentioned that you will
• 26:40
  be in a few weeks when the. Blackhawks slow down.
• 26:43
  And the Blackhawks will slow down.
• 26:45
  Not, you know, this. This is not even trashing on
• 26:48
  them by any means. It's just one.
• 26:49
  The roster is just not there for them to be in a team with
• 26:52
  playoff contender and they're just performing so, so well.
• 26:55
  And especially it runs through night.
• 26:58
  So to be able to keep up numbers like a 937 under two goals
• 27:03
  against average 29.5 saves per game, like that's clearly,
• 27:07
  clearly a streak. So yeah, dynasty, keep them
• 27:11
  absolutely keeper league. You probably picked them up and
• 27:14
  he wasn't drafted. Keep him for sure the draft
• 27:17
  where you're dropping a new team every like Oh my God, selling
• 27:20
  yeah, absolutely. All right, so it's.
• 27:22
  Having me do Kevins cell high. So we've got Adrian Kempe of the
• 27:28
  LA Kings. Last year he averaged .9 points
• 27:31
  per game, 2.9 shots, 1.2 hits. This season if you open his game
• 27:34
  log right now he's basically a top ten player in fantasy with
• 27:37
  1.4 points per game. Two points per game over the
• 27:39
  last week and he's averaging over three shots and hits a
• 27:42
  game. This is an astronomical fantasy
• 27:45
  performance as a late and we love Kempe, but these numbers
• 27:47
  are too good and the power play has been on fire.
• 27:49
  The biggest discrepancy is the hits.
• 27:51
  He's arguably averaging two hits more than his normal average
• 27:54
  which is not sustainable. The thing with campaign is that
• 27:56
  we know he's a great fantasy asset.
• 27:58
  Last year he was a buy low for a few episodes as well, but we're
• 28:00
  at the point where we called him underrated for fantasy for so
• 28:02
  long that now he does have some name value to him.
• 28:04
  I think you can flip him in two ways.
• 28:06
  One in a package to get a top two round pick or two in a deal
• 28:10
  where you get 2 great players. Some guys I would target to sell
• 28:13
  him for. Kucherov is the main first round
• 28:15
  target who hasn't been a stud that you can realistically get.
• 28:18
  I also like Kaprizov or Rantanen.
• 28:20
  You won't get these guys one for one, but these guys are usually
• 28:22
  unattainable. But with how Kempe is playing,
• 28:24
  nothing is out of the question. I also like doing a trade for
• 28:27
  Panarin Plus in a 2 for two where you get some upgrades.
• 28:29
  Stutzel and Jarvis same thing, Tage plus as well.
• 28:33
  So this is all makes a lot of sense what Kevin's saying here
• 28:37
  with Kempe, he's performing out of his mind I would say.
• 28:42
  I think we all kind of agree. You generally don't want to be
• 28:44
  the one receiving more players in a trade.
• 28:47
  So I would definitely prefer to do this A+, especially this
• 28:50
  early. So I definitely prefer to do
• 28:51
  Tempe Plus for one of those top guys.
• 28:52
  And with how he's been playing, yeah, you can go for one of
• 28:54
  those top guys. Thing is, Tempe already was
• 28:56
  probably drafted in what, round four in a lot of leagues, maybe
• 28:59
  even round three if in some leagues, probably around 4,
• 29:02
  let's say. So go around 4 guy who's
• 29:05
  performing, like over performing is a very reasonable piece to
• 29:09
  get around one guy who's underperforming.
• 29:12
  So I think it's definitely possible.
• 29:13
  Obviously like depends what you throw in with him, but but yeah,
• 29:17
  that would be a great, great, great sell high.
• 29:19
  Yeah, I, I, I love this. I think it's fantastic.
• 29:22
  He's been so, so good. It's also a contract here.
• 29:26
  Like he's clearly playing for it, you know?
• 29:28
  I mean, I really think that adds to it.
• 29:30
  He's just, he's playing big minutes, doing amazing things.
• 29:34
  I think that beyond his and Kevin's right to be ambitious
• 29:40
  with it, you absolutely should be.
• 29:42
  But I would even settle for like a little bit lower and be at
• 29:47
  ease with it because of how insane Kempe, right?
• 29:50
  Like, would you rather hypothetically Kempe or Kyle
• 29:59
  Conner? Connor.
• 30:01
  No, she not a first round pick though right?
• 30:03
  Like that's the difference. Yeah.
• 30:05
  And I feel like like that's like the one thing with his with his
• 30:09
  targets is that these are first round picks.
• 30:11
  So as you mentioned, you package them, that's great.
• 30:14
  But I even think that you can you can still aim a little bit
• 30:17
  lower and be happy with the return.
• 30:19
  Kemp is an awesome player though.
• 30:20
  He's never breaks fantasy. That's what he's doing right now
• 30:24
  and that's why we expect it to slow down.
• 30:26
  But he's he's absolutely somebody who I'd love to have on
• 30:31
  my team. So you know, he was drafted in
• 30:34
  the fourth round in our league of record to give you like a few
• 30:37
  names in in the third round, like Mitch Marner, right?
• 30:41
  Like God I actually think you could realistically even flip
• 30:43
  one for one vibes. That would be.
• 30:45
  Much, which is super cool, you know, I mean, I drafted Philip
• 30:51
  Forsberg. At this point, I think I just
• 30:52
  rather compete than Forsberg. So don't do that.
• 30:54
  Yeah, but how? About maybe that's what that's
• 30:58
  what Kevin was saying in his in his second part, right?
• 31:00
  If you do want to do that one for two, you can maybe get
• 31:02
  Forsberg plus for Kempe. Yeah, exactly.
• 31:04
  One Crazy Horse got drafted higher, yeah.
• 31:07
  Exactly. Last question I would have with
• 31:08
  this one. Would you rather Bouchard or
• 31:10
  campaign rest this season? I think I would probably take, I
• 31:16
  mean can be going to get more points.
• 31:18
  Bush is gonna get more power play points, Bush is gonna get
• 31:20
  more shots and blocks, companies gonna get more hits.
• 31:24
  So but I think from a defenseman spot it's more valuable.
• 31:27
  So I would take Bouchard. There you go, and I.
• 31:29
  Think you get Bouchard plus? Yes, absolutely.
• 31:32
  And I love that target. That's actually a really, really
• 31:35
  good one. Yeah, exactly.
• 31:37
  So that could be a really fun. Yeah, look how crossing
• 31:40
  together. Exactly, exactly.
• 31:42
  As you know, we finish each other sandwiches all the time.
• 31:45
  Exactly. Alright, Jackie, take us home.
• 31:48
  Yes, my cell high is Matthew Schaefer of the New York
• 31:53
  Islanders. Here's the good news for Shaver
• 31:56
  so far this season, he's gone off to a super hot start.
• 31:59
  Literally tied the record for longest point streak of any
• 32:01
  defenseman ever to start as an Angel career.
• 32:04
  Incredibly high draft pedigree to a team that will absolutely
• 32:08
  give him big minutes all year if they want to try and win games.
• 32:12
  And last but not least, he's. Already getting power play, 127
• 32:16
  minutes and they. Got There you go.
• 32:18
  That's like incredible for a defenseman, you know, rookie
• 32:23
  defenseman, that's insane. Here's the bad news for
• 32:26
  Schaefer. Everything that I just said.
• 32:30
  So let's get into this. Rookies are always, always
• 32:33
  streaky. It always happens.
• 32:35
  And it's even more of like an elaborate, you know, thing with
• 32:40
  defensemen. Yeah, people may see his
• 32:42
  production and think that it could be sustainable all year
• 32:45
  because he was drafted first overall and because last year
• 32:48
  Hudson absolutely broke out and won the Calder.
• 32:51
  The difference 1 Montreal last year had a better team than the
• 32:54
  Islanders this year. And two, Hudson was 20 years old
• 32:57
  and Shavers 18. This is a massive difference in
• 33:00
  hockey terms and one that's definitely gonna prove to be
• 33:03
  very impactful throughout the year.
• 33:05
  Not to mention that D'Angelo still might get a few looks on
• 33:07
  power play one this year, especially if they start losing
• 33:10
  a few games, which they will, and they want Shafer to develop
• 33:14
  more defensively. Obviously Shafer is the future
• 33:17
  of the Islanders team and I have little doubt that he's going to
• 33:20
  be considered a top demon in the league in a few years.
• 33:22
  But at the time of this recording, he's it like
• 33:25
  basically a point per game and that just that's just not gonna
• 33:30
  happen. He opened like after the six
• 33:32
  game point streak. I mean, obviously that's going
• 33:34
  to affect the averages, but like it's it's there's no way.
• 33:38
  So this is far from anything remotely sustainable.
• 33:40
  And if he finishes the season with 50 points in 82 games as a
• 33:43
  rookie, that's 18 years old. That's a massive accomplishment,
• 33:47
  but it's a far cry from basically the 80 game 80 point
• 33:50
  pace that he's currently on. If you own Shafer, especially in
• 33:53
  a bangers league where I expect little to no production in
• 33:56
  peripheral categories all year, I would be trading him as fast
• 33:59
  as I can. Lastly, and this is especially
• 34:02
  true for Rudolph leagues, if you're in a keeper or dynasty
• 34:06
  league, definitely keep him similar to Spencer Night because
• 34:09
  next year and the year after that he's going to be awesome.
• 34:11
  But yeah, if your league draft every year, sell him ASAP.
• 34:14
  Now some good targets to sell him. 4.
• 34:17
  Michael Sergachev, Victor Hedman, Mackenzie Weeger.
• 34:21
  Only in bangers leagues. Just disclaimer and interesting.
• 34:25
  Very curious about your thoughts on this Moritz cider now you
• 34:30
  listen to and are a host on this podcast.
• 34:32
  You have cider. You're not accepting that, but
• 34:35
  like. Yeah, of course, but no.
• 34:36
  Yeah. So like, first of all, I love
• 34:38
  everything you said here. This is so this is such a good
• 34:41
  one. This is really, really good.
• 34:42
  One other thing that I like about selling high on Schaefer,
• 34:45
  like the kind of thing that you can sell the person you're
• 34:48
  trading with on is the fact that he is a rookie, right?
• 34:52
  He has no historicals to compare to.
• 34:55
  And he was the first overall pick.
• 34:56
  So he has all that hype around him.
• 34:58
  But it's like when you have a guy like that, there's always
• 35:00
  the question mark of he could be anything, you know, he could be
• 35:02
  the next kill Makar, he could be whatever, right?
• 35:04
  So he. Could even be a boat.
• 35:06
  Yeah, exactly. Could be keeping a boat.
• 35:08
  So that's it. Why don't you treat him for the
• 35:10
  guaranteed boat? And you know, you saw the other
• 35:11
  person on how he could even be a vote, right?
• 35:14
  So yeah. And I, I love that the targets
• 35:16
  you put I love like Sergachev and Hedman, cause like you
• 35:18
  didn't put any ridiculous targets, you know, like those
• 35:20
  are really, really good targets, but they're really good players.
• 35:23
  They're gonna be sick for you. But it's not like you put Macar,
• 35:26
  Quinn, Hughes, even though he was starting off.
• 35:27
  So that's obviously not gonna happen.
• 35:29
  But you put reasonable ones, Um, weaker for sure weaker got
• 35:32
  bumped off power play one. But in a bangers league, I'd
• 35:34
  still take him over Schaefer and yeah, no, I love the Sergachev
• 35:38
  1. He started slow.
• 35:38
  He's popping off now, so the chance to do that might be
• 35:41
  slipping away, but but it's still good to try headmen.
• 35:44
  All of Tampa started off. So like we said, siders an
• 35:46
  interesting one. I think that he started off
• 35:49
  really slow and you know what, there might be some cider owners
• 35:52
  that'll do it. I would never do it.
• 35:53
  Obviously this is banger leagues we're talking about, but and
• 35:56
  then non banger league. I mean, I would still I would
• 35:58
  then I would still do it. I would still prefer slider to
• 36:01
  Schaefer, the non bangers because I think Detroit has one
• 36:03
  of the top five power plays in the league.
• 36:05
  But and I don't trust the Islanders offence a long term,
• 36:09
  but in a bangers league, it'll be harder to swing this.
• 36:12
  But yeah, I like it as a target. If you can pull it off, you
• 36:14
  know, it's always good to have one kind of shoot for the stars
• 36:16
  target because at least in this case, he is performing really
• 36:20
  poorly. So it's possible.
• 36:21
  And yeah, no, Schaefer, there's no way he's going to keep this
• 36:24
  up. Like you said, there's no real
• 36:25
  perhaps there. So I will say it's not like he's
• 36:28
  not going to become a guy that you want to drop at any point in
• 36:31
  the season, Like he's gonna be solid all year.
• 36:34
  It's just he's not gonna be this good and no matter what.
• 36:37
  For where you drafted him, I'm assuming no one reached on him
• 36:39
  too high. So for where you drafted him,
• 36:41
  congratulations. You got a sick pick for where
• 36:43
  you drafted him, right? Yeah.
• 36:45
  But if you could turn that into, you know, it's always about
• 36:47
  getting as much value as possible.
• 36:48
  If you could sell high on him, now, now is the time to do it.
• 36:50
  So definitely agree with everything you said.
• 36:53
  Yeah. So at the time of this
• 36:55
  recording, right, seven points in eight games is just 72 point
• 36:58
  pace. That's there.
• 37:00
  There's no way. Like it's just not happening.
• 37:02
  Yeah, it's also the Islanders, right?
• 37:04
  Like it's not like he's on offensive juggernaut of a team.
• 37:07
  Yes, exactly. And and you know, the other
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  thing I didn't even mention is but the last year he played 17
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  games in the OHL, I think he had some injury issues and he got 22
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  points. And you know, like clearly they
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  see that he can be a generational defenseman and he
• 37:25
  can I mean, he looks amazing on the ice, but it's really, really
• 37:29
  difficult to do anything above 50 points as a defenseman, as
• 37:34
  like a stud defenseman in the NHL.
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  So that's why I wanted to put these realistic targets.
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  You're not you're not getting the top 2.
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  Even Bouchard who started super slow.
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  I feel like the Bouchard or the Werenski owner, deli owner, you
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  know, but these guys are outside of the top five and I sider know
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  for bangers leagues. But the point aspect of it all,
• 37:54
  I feel like it's, it's just a bit more sustainable, you know,
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  Bouchard do. Do you think anyone would
• 37:59
  consider Schaefer plus for Bouchard?
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  I mean, obviously depends what the plus is.
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  I think there's there's a world where you can pull it off for
• 38:06
  sure. Yeah, I I love cider.
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  Like I would love to have cider on my team.
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  And because he started so slow and even in the I mean, you've
• 38:14
  been complaining about this a lot that hits the hits just not.
• 38:17
  There, the hits actually are coming.
• 38:19
  It's more the blocks at this point that aren't there.
• 38:21
  Yeah, but the hits are. The hits are coming.
• 38:23
  And he's shooting more, which is nice too.
• 38:24
  It's really the points in the blocks aren't there.
• 38:26
  But it's gonna turn around for sliders, so if you can pull this
• 38:30
  off it would be great. So that's it.
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  I, I mean, look, I, I, I picked him up in my points league,
• 38:36
  which is awesome for me cause yeah, it's a keeper league.
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  So that's crazy Points league. Like, yeah.
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  I can't believe he wasn't drafted in a keeper league,
• 38:44
  that's wild. Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 38:45
  It's because nobody. Nobody expected this for sure.
• 38:49
  Exactly. But it's happening.
• 38:51
  Like it is just gonna fall off and then look, I'm gonna keep
• 38:54
  him if I can, unless I'm like a contender and I can flip him to
• 38:57
  someone for value. But at the end of the day, like
• 39:00
  for a bangers league especially, I have no interest in owning lot
• 39:03
  of interest in selling him if I. Can yes.
• 39:06
  All right, that wraps up our week 4 buy low sell high
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  episode. Thank you to everybody for
• 39:11
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  episode. What are you?
• 39:32
  I'm waiting for your reaction. I just, I mean, I guess you
• 39:36
  know, it depends on if you take good care of him until that.
• 39:39
  Goodness, alright, take care. Of him, if you know what I mean.
• 39:49
  Madness. Madness.
• 39:51
  Maybe you have them in your basement, huh?
• 39:54
  We don't have a basement, actually.
• 39:57
  Maybe have them on your boat. Yeah, exactly.
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  That's it. That's it.
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  No, he'll he'll be back, I swear.
• 40:03
  Yeah. Alright, Ernie.
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  Wow, wow, wow. I got you.
• 40:14
  I waited until the last second. Yeah, you did.
• 40:18
  You did. You threw me off my groove.
• 40:20
  You big, big Cusco energy, right?
• 40:23
  There. Yeah, exactly.