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Topless Mom Crushed in Trash Chute of Lux Apartment. Dad: HITMAN DID IT! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: At the get go, this smelled bad, just smelled bad.
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Speaker 2: You've ever gone by a dump and it just smells oh,
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Speaker 2: and it's just horrible. Well, that's the way this investigation
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Speaker 2: smelled to me the first time I heard that. This
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Speaker 2: gorgeous and I don't know why they just keep calling
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Speaker 2: her a socialite, because I'm pretty sure she was a
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Speaker 2: lot more than that. This gorgeous woman ends up at
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Speaker 2: the bottom of a trash chute. And let me tell you,
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Speaker 2: my trash chute at our New York apartment is, oh gosh.
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Speaker 2: As I was just telling Paul Morrow, the former NYP
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Speaker 2: the Inspector, that our trash chute is, I have to
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Speaker 2: fold a pizza box in half. I have to step
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Speaker 2: on it with one foot and fold it over to
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Speaker 2: shove it down the chute. So how could this grown
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Speaker 2: woman shove herself down a trash chute? It brings to
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Speaker 2: mind many other cases, For instance, Chris Watts, who murdered
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Speaker 2: his beautiful wife, Shenan and his two little daughters. He
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Speaker 2: shoved their bodies into oil cylinders that were about twelve
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Speaker 2: to fifteen inches wide, and it took the skin off
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Speaker 2: their arms. He was so intent in hiding to hide
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Speaker 2: their bodies. I could give you many, many more examples,
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Speaker 2: but I don't think there's any way. This woman, Lara Prohodko,
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Speaker 2: put herself down a trash chute and died. But guess what,
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Speaker 2: that's the theory that she committed suicide by trash sheet. Well,
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Speaker 2: guess what. In the last hours, a more rational theory
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Speaker 2: has emerged, and that is murder. I Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at
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Speaker 2: Fox Nation in serious xem one eleven. Take a listen
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Speaker 2: to our friends at pix eleven.
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Speaker 3: Police rushed to one Irving Place yesterday evening after a
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Speaker 3: maintenance worker made a horrible discovery in the compactor room.
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Speaker 3: Armed with a shovel, they recovered the remains of Laura Prachenko,
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Speaker 3: described by Dorman as someone who was always pleasant and
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Speaker 3: treated them with respect. She lived on the twenty seventh
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Speaker 3: floor and had arrived back to the building only a
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Speaker 3: few minutes before her body was found.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's something terrible, it's something shocking. It's not
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Speaker 2: clear and you know how that is what happened. Guys,
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Speaker 2: you're just hearing our friends that picks eleven. But now
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Speaker 2: take a list of our friends at WABC.
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Speaker 4: We don't know the identity of the woman. Police have
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Speaker 4: not released that information, but we do know that she
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Speaker 4: did live here in the building. Police are still going
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Speaker 4: through surveillance looking for evidence inside the building.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: Police aren't sure if this.
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Speaker 4: Was an accident or if it was intentional. A worker
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Speaker 4: at the Zeckendorf Towers on Irving Place found that woman
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Speaker 4: around five o'clock yesterday and the building's trash compactor Police
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Speaker 4: saying she went down the trash route from more than
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Speaker 4: twenty floors up.
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Speaker 2: Twenty floors up with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But first
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Speaker 2: I want to go to investigative reporter at the Daily Beast,
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Speaker 2: Decca Muldowney. Decca, thanks so much for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Find it really hard to believe that this woman committed
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Speaker 2: suicide in this manner, especially if you look at methods
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Speaker 2: and assessment of homicide and suicide. Very rarely will you
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Speaker 2: see a woman this level of education of her. Let
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Speaker 2: me just say social standing commit suicide in this manner.
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Speaker 2: If she had taken overdose appeals or not. Carbon monoxide
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Speaker 2: death in a car, yes, I could see that, but
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Speaker 2: not this statistically in Oh tell me, Decca Muldowney Daily Beast,
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Speaker 2: who is this woman? Lara Prdoco Financy. Well, Lara was
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Speaker 2: a mom.
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Speaker 6: She had at the time of her death a twelve
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Speaker 6: year old son.
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Speaker 2: Oh wait right, wait right there, right there, Decca, you
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Speaker 2: hit me where it hurts. You know, we never hear
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Speaker 2: about the then twelve year old son. I would wade
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Speaker 2: through the Atlantic and go through hell to stay with
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Speaker 2: my twins. That gives us a whole nother angle. Deca,
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Speaker 2: go ahead, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 6: I think so. I led with that. I'm a mom too,
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Speaker 6: But I led with that because she's so often described
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Speaker 6: as a socialite, as you said, as a sort of
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Speaker 6: New York City ick girl.
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Speaker 7: She was very beautiful.
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Speaker 6: She did have a, you know, glamorous social life. She
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Speaker 6: had been celebrating her birthday in Ibiza and Paris shortly
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Speaker 6: before her death. But the thing that I come back
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Speaker 6: to is, yeah, she was a mom. She had a
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Speaker 6: twelve year old son, and she was going through a
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Speaker 6: acrimonious divorce with her ex husband at the time of
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Speaker 6: her death. And that's the way what strikes me is
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Speaker 6: as like you said, the most kind of moving thing
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Speaker 6: about her tragic death.
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Speaker 2: I don't like it when victims are referred to in
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Speaker 2: that manner, for instance, socialite, sorority girl, sex worker. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just so stereotyping this woman who died a horrible,
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Speaker 2: horrible death, her last moments hurtling down twenty floors and
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Speaker 2: a filthy trash chute to her death to be discovered
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Speaker 2: by a janitor. She was living in a really ritzy apartment.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know when I went apartment looking in
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Speaker 2: a hunting really like a hunt in York. By the
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Speaker 2: time you get to an apartment, you walk and they go,
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Speaker 2: oh it just sold. Okay, so next, and that happens
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Speaker 2: over and over and over. I would never even look
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Speaker 2: in this area of town because this is really posh, expensive, ritsy.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Jim Dowan, ABC seven.
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Speaker 8: The building goes by two different names, one Irving Plaza
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Speaker 8: and Zekendorf Towers, and workers made that grizzly discovery about
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Speaker 8: four point thirty this afternoon, the body of a woman,
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Speaker 8: a resident of the building, found stuffed in the building's
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Speaker 8: trash compactor. If they know how she got there, police
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Speaker 8: aren't yet, saying Prime scene investigators got to Zeckendorf Towers
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Speaker 8: tonight to try and figure out how the body of
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Speaker 8: a woman ended up in a trash compactor in the building.
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Speaker 2: And more.
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Speaker 9: They had the barricades up around the entrance and I
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Speaker 9: have never seen twenty detectives wandering around anywhere, So it
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Speaker 9: had to be some serious thing with suspicious circumstances, because
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Speaker 9: why else would twenty detectives show up.
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Speaker 8: But police were not giving many details. Some residents believe
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Speaker 8: the garbage shoot is big enough to put a body in,
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Speaker 8: and residents did get this email instructing them not to
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Speaker 8: use the shoots for the time being. The shoots are
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Speaker 8: now locked shut.
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Speaker 2: I'm just not seeing it. Joining me Paul Tomorrow, lawyer
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Speaker 2: and former NYPD inspector. You can find him at Opsdesk
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Speaker 2: dot org. Paul, I remember fighting with pizza boxes and
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Speaker 2: everything else I wanted to shove down the trash chute.
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Speaker 2: It's in fact, a lot of people in our building
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Speaker 2: would just lie things in the little trash chute room
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Speaker 2: because they couldn't get it down the trash chute. And
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Speaker 2: I mean like coat hangers. Some of the residents couldn't
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Speaker 2: get coat hangers down the trash chute because they were
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Speaker 2: too narrow, deckamull Downey, What did you say the size
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Speaker 2: of this this trasheet.
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Speaker 6: Was, I believe fifteen by eighteen.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Paulmorrow, you tell me this woman got up to
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Speaker 2: the level of a trashet. Let's see, ours is about
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Speaker 2: the level of your chest. So somehow, what is she
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Speaker 2: not come and ahiate the gymnast and she gets up
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Speaker 2: there and enforce hers herself into the trash Shoot it
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Speaker 2: does It doesn't even make any sense.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it does sound like a very unlikely scenario. And
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Speaker 5: full disclosure, I worked in Midtown for a lot of
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Speaker 5: my career, various parts of Manhattan. You deal with a
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Speaker 5: lot of suicides, and I can tell you that never
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Speaker 5: once did I ever deal with something like this where
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Speaker 5: somebody forced their way into a trashuite. Generally in a
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Speaker 5: situation like this, and look, you can never tell what's
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Speaker 5: going to lead up to a suicide. I can actually remember,
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Speaker 5: ever remember having one responding to one where somebody said, yeah,
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Speaker 5: we saw it coming. People never see it coming. So
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Speaker 5: while that may be the case here that they didn't
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Speaker 5: see it coming, that's not necessarily this positive. What does
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Speaker 5: strike me, however, is the manner the idea that she
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Speaker 5: would do something like this. It's not only a very
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Speaker 5: grim way to do what she did. There is this
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Speaker 5: element of concealment. And very often when people do commit
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Speaker 5: suicide in a situation like this, it's on the outside
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Speaker 5: of the building, obviously, because this is the sort of
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Speaker 5: final act where the suicider talks to the world. It's
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Speaker 5: a very public statement in a lot of ways. It's
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Speaker 5: a statement made to the people around them. It's a
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Speaker 5: statement to society in general, the idea that somebody would
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Speaker 5: throw themselves down to trash shoot, not even sure by
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Speaker 5: the way, that it's going to work, okay, And everybody
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Speaker 5: in Manhattan has heard these stories of trash shoote incidents
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Speaker 5: that don't end up being fatal, but people lose arms
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Speaker 5: and things like that, crazy stories. I do find it
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Speaker 5: hard to believe. On the other hand, I am sure
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Speaker 5: from the reporting that it was very heavily investigated. So
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Speaker 5: I don't know what to make of the fact that
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Speaker 5: it was at the time not ruled a homicide, especially
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Speaker 5: with some of the circumstances around it.
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Speaker 1: Stories with nan'cy Grease.
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Speaker 2: Guys joining me right now, I mean, you've got to
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Speaker 2: know this name. If you are even an occasional sleuthy.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Michael Boden the former Chief Medical Examiner of New
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Speaker 2: York City, past co director of New York State Police
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Speaker 2: Medico Legal Investigations Unit, author of American Autopsy. You can
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Speaker 2: find him at doctorMichael Boden dot com and it's b
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Speaker 2: A d N. Although you pronounce it Boden, Doctor Boden,
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Speaker 2: It's always an honor and a privilege to have you
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Speaker 2: on with us. There's no way this woman committed suicide.
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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, what did you look?
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Speaker 10: Let me again, Nancy, what great to talk to? That
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Speaker 10: introduction sounded like a eulogy that made me feel good.
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Speaker 2: Listen, before I do a eulogy for you, just make
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Speaker 2: sure your will is correct. Was not what your beautiful
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Speaker 2: wife left out in the cold. Okay? That said, what
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Speaker 2: do you think about this? I just I mean, on
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Speaker 2: day one, this.
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Speaker 10: Stunt to high heaven well as pearl. For full disclosure,
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Speaker 10: her father did send me, did ask me to review
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Speaker 10: the autopsy report some time ago, that this occurred in
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Speaker 10: July of twenty eighteen, and the father had was didn't
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Speaker 10: believe it that she would have committed suicide, which is
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Speaker 10: not uncommon. Whether it is or isn't a suicide, well, hold.
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Speaker 2: On just a moment. I think that I can crystallize.
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Speaker 2: Never said this before, doctor Michael Boden's thoughts. I want
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Speaker 2: you to take a listener. Cut twelve from Fox five.
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Speaker 11: And these bizarre circumstances caught the attention of New York
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Speaker 11: City's former medical examiner, doctor Michael bought In.
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Speaker 12: But I've never seen a young person able to climb
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Speaker 12: into a narrow chute like this and go fee first
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Speaker 12: down twenty seven stories. That's extremely unusual.
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Speaker 11: I just doctor Bodden agreed to take a look at
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Speaker 11: the autopsy report for the pre Hodco family pro bono.
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Speaker 12: My opinion is there's enough information that it should be
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Speaker 12: investigated as a homicide.
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Speaker 13: How do you know it was feet first, doctor Barden,
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Speaker 13: because the autopsy report.
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Speaker 10: I have the autopsy report. There are a lot of
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Speaker 10: fractures of the feet. No injury, no serious injury to
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Speaker 10: the head.
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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Boden, do you know how happy you just
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Speaker 2: made me? And I don't know what it means about
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Speaker 2: me that I'm happy to hear about a dead woman's
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Speaker 2: foot fracture. But that goes to my theory Decam moll Downey,
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Speaker 2: Dtor Biden. I'm circling back, don't get me wrong, But Decca,
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Speaker 2: how is this woman going to climb up into a
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Speaker 2: trash chute which is typically a good feet off the
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Speaker 2: ground for safety reasons because you don't want to talk
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Speaker 2: to literally fall in there. So how is she going
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Speaker 2: to get up their feet first? How?
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's the question of the core
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Speaker 6: of this case and what it is so mysterious and
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Speaker 6: baffling about this depth. Why and how someone would choose
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Speaker 6: to commit suicide in that manner is the real question.
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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Boden, you just threw me for a loop
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Speaker 2: when you confirmed how we know she went feet first?
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Speaker 2: Dr Boden, it just it's impossible.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, because Nancy, because in that shoot and I went
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Speaker 10: over and I looked at that shoot. Well, so as
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Speaker 10: in most shoots, you go into the the whatever goes
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Speaker 10: in goes down.
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Speaker 2: Like a closet. You go in the hallway.
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Speaker 10: That's right, it's a circular. It's circular, and you can't
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Speaker 10: turn away. The body can't turn. It just goes straight down.
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Speaker 10: So that if she goes into food feet first, she
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Speaker 10: lands feet first. And I think, what The issue that
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Speaker 10: was brought up by the police and the medical examiner
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Speaker 10: was that she had a high alcohol content. She had
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Speaker 10: been out before she came home. She was from France
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Speaker 10: and apparently was at a bar celebrating some kind of
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Speaker 10: soccer victory that the French soccer team had that afternoon.
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Speaker 10: And the toxicological finding at autopsy was zero point twenty
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Speaker 10: nine percent. You know, point eight is the DWI level,
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Speaker 10: So she had a lot of alcohol. But she walked home.
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Speaker 10: Apparently she said hello to the doorman. She looked perfectly good,
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Speaker 10: normal to the doorman when she came home, and this
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Speaker 10: happened shortly thereafter.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's absolutely right. Take a listen to our cut nine.
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Speaker 2: Our friends at pick celeb very unfortunate.
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Speaker 14: It's very unsettling, especially that it's coming so close to home.
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Speaker 3: Surveillance video shows her walking the hallways before entering the
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Speaker 3: trash room on the twenty seventh floor. She somehow appears
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Speaker 3: to have gone down the chute into the compactor. Neighbors
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Speaker 3: familiar with the building set up say they're not really
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Speaker 3: sure how that could have happened.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a small shoot. I mean I don't
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Speaker 2: know how you do it.
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Speaker 7: I mean it never.
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Speaker 14: It never occurred to me to try to go into
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Speaker 14: the garbage set.
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Speaker 2: What was her blood alcohol, doctor Biden? Did you say
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Speaker 2: two to nine?
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Speaker 10: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so she's over three times the legal limit of
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Speaker 2: point zero eight. So right, she didn't drive, She got
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Speaker 2: a ride home with a friend or a cab. She
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Speaker 2: walks in, she's steady on her feet, she speaks to
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Speaker 2: the dorman. She's not committing a crime. Just because this
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Speaker 2: woman has been out and had several drinks, somehow that
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Speaker 2: turns into suicide. I don't get it, guys. I want
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Speaker 2: you to take a listen to what doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 2: has to say. Doctor Bethany Marshall renown psycho analysts, joining
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Speaker 2: us out of Beverly Hills, and you can find her
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Speaker 2: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com dotor Bethany. This is
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Speaker 2: total BS technical legal term. This woman did not commit suicide.
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Speaker 7: She did not she did not jump down trashoot. And
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Speaker 7: first of all, I hate the fact that she's just
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Speaker 7: referred to as a socialite. Why are female victims always
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Speaker 7: devalued They're either a sex worker, they're a socialite. That
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Speaker 7: implies that she had no social value other than just
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Speaker 7: do they say young mom exactly.
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Speaker 2: Young single mom, she's in the middle of a divorce.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't hate this former French beauty, flame
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Speaker 2: haired mom blah blah, like to be anything, But why
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Speaker 2: do they peg her that way? I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: And that started at the beginning.
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Speaker 7: Well, okay, so that leads right to what I wanted
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Speaker 7: to say is what is it about this social milieu
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Speaker 7: that they discredited her her and devalued her from the
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Speaker 7: very beginning. It wasn't just the husband, the child, the
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Speaker 7: people in the building. I mean, I'm a psychoanalyst, I'm
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Speaker 7: not a crime scene investigator, an investigator, but it tells
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Speaker 7: me that everybody involved in this situation colluded in seeing
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Speaker 7: her bringing about her own demise when in fact it
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Speaker 7: was impossible. So what does that mean? Did they envy
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Speaker 7: her because she had money and beauty and status. Did
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Speaker 7: they want to think that she had this sad, sack
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Speaker 7: internal life and so she killed herself? I think that's
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Speaker 7: what's interesting is that everybody told themselves a lie about this.
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Speaker 7: What is the purpose of a lie? And the fact
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Speaker 7: that they told the lie I think really interferes with
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Speaker 7: accurately telling the story of whatever it was that was
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Speaker 7: going on in her life. Was she being stopped by somebody?
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Speaker 2: How about a dan and dirty, acrimonious divorce And this night,
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Speaker 2: Okay found something to be happy. She had been watching
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Speaker 2: the fife A World Series Cup semi finals and that
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Speaker 2: night France beat Belgium. Her dad said her grandfather is French,
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Speaker 2: and she was ecstatic and she was out celebrating. When
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Speaker 2: she gets home. As the earlier heard, she greeted the
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Speaker 2: dormant in her building. She high fived them about the wind.
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Speaker 2: They all loved her because they say she was quote
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Speaker 2: so friendly and nice. Now, one of Lara's neighbors on
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Speaker 2: the twenty seventh floor told authorities she returned home around
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Speaker 2: four to twenty pm and nothing was unusual, although there
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Speaker 2: is that hallway surveillance video. She's in the hall and
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Speaker 2: we know she's been drinking. But oh, doctor Michael Boden,
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Speaker 2: who is with us right now, has another tiny issue
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Speaker 2: other than the gymnastics Olympic competitor she must have been
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Speaker 2: to get in that trash shoot. Take a list nour
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Speaker 2: cut fifteen our friends at Inside Edition.
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Speaker 15: Fame pathologist Michael Boden volunteered to reevaluate Laura's autopsy. Boden
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Speaker 15: says she had ligature marks on her neck, leading him
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Speaker 15: to believe she may have been strangled and was then
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Speaker 15: thrown down the trash chute. If it wasn't a homicide,
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Speaker 15: could it have been accidental? How is it even possible
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Speaker 15: for someone to fall into one of these garbage shoots?
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Speaker 15: As you can see, it's designed to snatch shut if.
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Speaker 2: You don't hold it open.
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Speaker 15: And could a grown man or woman even fit inside?
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Speaker 15: Now her father is hoping to have the case reopened.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Biden, did you forget to tell me about the
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Speaker 2: ligature marks?
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Speaker 10: Yeah? Well, first, she's five foot six inches and one
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Speaker 10: hundred and thirty eight pounds, so she's a small She's
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Speaker 10: good enough to go through that. The opening of the shoot.
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Speaker 2: I disagree because of my extensive training in autopsies as
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Speaker 2: a law student. I'm just kidding. I still don't say it.
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Speaker 2: I know she's five six and one thirty eight, but
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Speaker 2: the shoulder span, I mean, if I have to fold
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Speaker 2: up a pizza box to get it in that shoot?
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Speaker 2: And did you hear? And I forgot this to mention this,
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Speaker 2: doctor Boden, Those shoots again, are I would say at
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Speaker 2: least four feet off the ground, so children can't get
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Speaker 2: into them. But as we just heard Less Trent, our
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Speaker 2: friend at inside edition State, and he's right, those shoots
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Speaker 2: snap shut, so children can't get into them. If you
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Speaker 2: open one and you happen to let go of it
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it snaps shut. So that adds to
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Speaker 2: the difficulty of her getting into it.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, but Nancy, one way or the other, she did
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Speaker 10: get in. She went down the chute. And what I
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Speaker 10: was going to get to you is it's one thing
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Speaker 10: for her to bend all were Fasey's intoxicated, she bends
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Speaker 10: over and tries to go down the chute head first.
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Speaker 10: It's another thing to how would you go down feet
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Speaker 10: first unless somebody put it down there, you know, lifted
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Speaker 10: it down there exactly.
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Speaker 2: And what about Tell me this is correct? Decamel Downey
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Speaker 2: joining us from the Daily Beast. Wasn't her purse found
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Speaker 2: right there on the floor outside the trash chute.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, Nandy. Her purse was sitting on the
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Speaker 6: floor next to the trash chute.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and Jaca please jump in. You are much closer
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Speaker 2: to this case than we are, except for you, doctor bond.
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Speaker 2: Can we talk about potential ligature marks on her neck.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, they're in the photographs at the scene. At the scene,
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Speaker 10: the photographs were taken after she's out of the trash
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Speaker 10: compactor or coming out of the trash compactor, and the
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Speaker 10: photogram show the feet, the bare feet coming out with
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Speaker 10: the shoe. The sneaker was elsewhere in the trash and
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Speaker 10: there's a mark around the neck, a pale white mark
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Speaker 10: that would match a ligature mark. And the idea being
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Speaker 10: that if she goes down the chute as Great Dancings implying,
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Speaker 10: it's one thing after she's dead and can be lifted
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Speaker 10: down the chute, it's another if she's struggling and while alive,
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Speaker 10: it will be difficult to put it down, and it
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Speaker 10: would be very difficult for her to get into the
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Speaker 10: chute feet first.
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Speaker 2: Is it a more likely scenario that she was straangled
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Speaker 2: and put down the.
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Speaker 10: Trash here, Yes, that's what I wrote a letter to
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Speaker 10: the father, and that would be that she was deceased
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Speaker 10: before she goes down the chute.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, was she brought cut at all? Was her body?
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Speaker 2: Did she suffer abrasions going down the trash sheet and
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Speaker 2: if so, did they bleed.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's that's part of the problem. She she is
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Speaker 10: has bruises, a lot of bruises on her body which
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Speaker 10: would be rubbing against the shoote, and fractures and lacerations
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Speaker 10: because she goes through a the compactor before she comes
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Speaker 10: out of the chute. So part of the issues is
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Speaker 10: she has various injuries, but many of them would be
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Speaker 10: from the compactor. She does have Nancy would appreciate under
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Speaker 10: the skin of the neck, there's no there's a little
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Speaker 10: a mark around the outside of the neck, the middle
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Speaker 10: of the neck, this pale area above its cyanosis, the
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Speaker 10: blood being unable to move downward and getting a bluish color.
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Speaker 10: If she's what that happens in strangulations and a lot
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Speaker 10: of hemorrhage underneath the skin. There were no fractures of
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Speaker 10: the windpipe, but there was a lot of hemorrhage localized
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Speaker 10: in that area, which would go along with supporting some
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Speaker 10: kind of neck compression causing death.
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Speaker 2: What about park in her eyes.
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Speaker 10: She didn't have the tiki, but she had a bluish
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Speaker 10: color to the to the skin, which is similarly col
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Speaker 10: bluish color of wear on the skin of the whole face.
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Speaker 10: I really on the outside of the that that cyanosis
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Speaker 10: when a person can't breathe.
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Speaker 6: Nancy may I asked up about it the questions this
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Speaker 6: is scon l Danny. Yes, So I understood Dr Bond
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Speaker 6: that the chief medical examiner at the time, Barbara Stepson,
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Speaker 6: concluded that Laura had died as a result of multiple
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Speaker 6: blunt force injuries. But from what you're saying, having reviewed
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Speaker 6: the autopsy, it sounds to me like you think some
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Speaker 6: of those injuries could have been sustained posts Morden, and
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Speaker 6: it sounds like you don't fully agree with that assentment.
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Speaker 6: Is that right?
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Speaker 10: Well, that's correct. That is, she went through a trash
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Speaker 10: compactor before she was seen, and I think there are
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Speaker 10: cut injuries to the chest and heart and ribs that
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Speaker 10: would be part of the compactor injuries, but she doesn't
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Speaker 10: have any injury. She has very little injuries to the scalp,
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Speaker 10: which would be an indication that she didn't go down
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Speaker 10: head first. She has fractures of the ankles, which would
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Speaker 10: go wrong with striking the ground after falling twenty seven stories. However,
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Speaker 10: that role has to be taken into into consideration. That
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Speaker 10: also compacted before she's seen.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not the only one that does not believe
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Speaker 2: Lara's death is a suicide. Take a list in our
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Speaker 2: cut thirteen our friend less Trent.
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Speaker 15: Police claim she was drunk. The New York City Medical
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Speaker 15: Examiner ruled no suspicion of foul play. Laura's father, Nicholas,
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Speaker 15: who lives in Toronto, says he strongly disagrees.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe it. I didn't believe it, and I
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Speaker 2: continue not to believe it.
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Speaker 15: Nicholas Brahdko says his daughter and her husband, David slaw Hit,
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Speaker 15: were divorcing and fighting over millions of dollars in real
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Speaker 15: estate and more.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends a crime online dot
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Speaker 2: Com cut sixteen.
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Speaker 13: Nicholas Prechidco does not believe his daughter, Laura died in
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Speaker 13: a drunken accidental fall twenty seven stories down a trash
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Speaker 13: chute in the Zekendorf Towers and Union Square. The father
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Speaker 13: says his daughter was going through a heated divorce with
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Speaker 13: her estranged husband, David Slatchett, over the custody of their son,
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Speaker 13: as well as real estate that included two homes in Southampton,
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Speaker 13: an apartment in Chelsea, a penthouse in Williamsburg, and a
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Speaker 13: loft in Toronto. Nicholas Prechidco has filed a wrongful death
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Speaker 13: lawsuit claiming Schlatchett and another man conspired to murder Laura Prechidco.
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Speaker 13: The suit alleges Slashett hired the unidentified hitman who tracked
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Speaker 13: pre Chidco's movements, waited for her in her building, strangled her,
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Speaker 13: then disposed of her body down the trash chute.
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Speaker 2: The husband strongly denies any involvement.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now. Joseph Jacqueline, former NYPD sergeant, author
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Speaker 2: of the Cold Case Handbook and The Criminal Investigative Function,
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Speaker 2: Joseph Jacqueline, thank you for being with us. I wanted
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Speaker 2: you to hear everything up to this point. What is
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Speaker 2: your analysis?
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Speaker 14: Great?
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Speaker 5: Thanks Nancy for having me.
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Speaker 14: So this is my first question, and if maybe somebody
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Speaker 14: on the panel.
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Speaker 10: Knows about this.
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Speaker 14: So we have video surveillance of her going into the
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Speaker 14: compact room and that never leaving. Do we have video
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Speaker 14: surveillance of anybody following behind her going into the compact
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Speaker 14: the location and not leaving because that would be the
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Speaker 14: person that they would want. So I'm assuming that there
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Speaker 14: are tons of video surveillance that would investigators to be
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Speaker 14: calling over for a long period of time. Does anybody
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Speaker 14: know the answer to that question?
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Speaker 2: I do not, decam all Downey, do we know.
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Speaker 6: I believe that there is some video surveillance in the hallway,
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Speaker 6: not the entire hallway, and not obviously inside the trash
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Speaker 6: compactor room. So I think there is potentially some possibility
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Speaker 6: that she may have been followed. I just it seems
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Speaker 6: as though there is not quite a nut covering, right.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right, Jaca. Doctor Barden questioned to you,
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Speaker 2: you've seen the trash chute. Is the trash chute in
30:30
Speaker 2: the same area where the stairs are are stairs beside
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Speaker 2: the trash chute.
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Speaker 10: Going down, or it's not far from the staircase, not far,
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Speaker 10: it's it's close to the staircase. However, the trash chute
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Speaker 10: has a door. Also, I think it's a confined space
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Speaker 10: and there's no video that surveillance surveys the trashoot area.
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Speaker 2: That's the way it is. In my hallway, there's a
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Speaker 2: and you can see the long hallway and the elevator.
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Speaker 2: But the hallway takes a right angle turn, and it's
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Speaker 2: right there in that corner where there is the trash chute,
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Speaker 2: and in that little I've called a closet, that little area,
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Speaker 2: it's actually also the landing for stairs going down and
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Speaker 2: stairs going up. It's all right there in the same
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Speaker 2: little alcove area. And the surveillance does not show the
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Speaker 2: trashchute door. It's like a little room, like a closet,
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Speaker 2: like a big closet, and in that room there is
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Speaker 2: the trash chute and the stairs which go down and up. So,
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Speaker 2: doctor Bowden, having seen the trash chute area where Lara
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Speaker 2: met her death, would surveillance have caught her going specifically
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Speaker 2: into that door or anyone coming out, and would that
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Speaker 2: person have had access to the stairs without being caught
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Speaker 2: on surveillance video.
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Speaker 10: My understanding is there was no surveillance, No surveillance of
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Speaker 10: that area involved whether there was anybody else near there,
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Speaker 10: near to the trash and what about the steps none
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Speaker 10: that I well, I'm not sure about the stairs itself.
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Speaker 10: With the elevator that's nearby, there's no video showing anybody
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Speaker 10: else in that area.
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Speaker 2: So JOSEU. Jaccoline, former NYPD sergeant and author with the
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Speaker 2: stairs right beside the trash chute and surveillance of the
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Speaker 2: trasheet door itself. We don't know the answer whether anyone
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Speaker 2: was there or not, but I can tell you this,
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Speaker 2: if the stairs were close by, a person could have
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Speaker 2: easily gone down the stairs all the way down, all
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Speaker 2: the way to sub the sub basement and get out
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Speaker 2: that way.
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Speaker 14: Well certainly, I mean, and even those location. You know,
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Speaker 14: we're talking about every exclusive building, so we're looking at it.
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Speaker 14: I was looking online before we got onto about sixty
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Speaker 14: five hundred dollars a month apartments, and you know that
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Speaker 14: there's video surveillance is about anywhere with those exits, and
33:11
Speaker 14: you have a doorman building too. So if this is
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Speaker 14: a homicide, which you know, I always come from the
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Speaker 14: school where and doctor Biden, I think will agree with
33:21
Speaker 14: me unless you treat every death as if it's suspicious
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Speaker 14: and will proven otherwise, And with your dealing and what
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Speaker 14: you're dealing with is you have to have somebody that
33:30
Speaker 14: either has access to an exit which is probably surveilled,
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Speaker 14: or they have to walk to the doorman and the doorman.
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Speaker 5: Would have to acknowledge their presence.
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Speaker 14: So I would assume that investigators spoke to the door
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Speaker 14: person and pulled all the videos availance to which if
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Speaker 14: it turns out at the end of the day to
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Speaker 14: be a homicide, then a list of everybody who was
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Speaker 14: in that building would be a suspect.
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Speaker 2: Why has this been brought back into the public eye?
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Speaker 2: Why is it backs point of interest? Take a listen
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Speaker 2: to our cut twenty our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 13: The Wrongful Death lawsuit alleges that days after Laura Prechidco's death,
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Speaker 13: Slatchett and John Doe met in Manhattan, where Schlatchett made
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Speaker 13: a final payment to John Doe for the murder of
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Speaker 13: Laura Prechidco. The Sioux claimed Schlatchett was financially motivated to
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Speaker 13: gil pre Chidco as they were going through an acrimonious
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Speaker 13: divorce at the time, and that his construction firm filed
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Speaker 13: for bankruptcy in twenty sixteen while facing several lawsuits. The
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Speaker 13: wrongful Death lawsuit seeks damages in an amount to be
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Speaker 13: determined at trial and the disqualification of Schlatchett as beneficiary
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Speaker 13: of pre chid goes of state.
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Speaker 2: Wow, there was a lot of money at stake. Decamul
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Speaker 2: Downey explained.
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Speaker 6: Well, this is a wrongful death lawsuit that's been filed
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Speaker 6: by Laura's father, and in that lawsuit, he outlined an
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Speaker 6: alternative narrative of what could have happened here, And what
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Speaker 6: he's alleging is that, facing the possibility of losing millions
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Speaker 6: of dollars in this acrimonious divorce, that Lara's ex husband
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Speaker 6: hired a hitman to kill her. So that's what's alleged
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Speaker 6: in the lawsuits. So it's alleged that he didn't personally
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Speaker 6: kill her, but that he hired someone to do it
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Speaker 6: and offered to pay this person. And that's what Lara's
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Speaker 6: father believes happened here.
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Speaker 2: That is his theory. Of course, the husband denies any wrongdoing.
35:28
Speaker 2: It's not just about money. Isn't it true that there
35:34
Speaker 2: are now claims that Lara, after having split with her
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Speaker 2: husband and in the middle of the divorce, was having
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Speaker 2: an affair with the married web MD CEO before her death.
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Speaker 2: His name was also on her lease.
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Speaker 5: That's right, So.
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Speaker 6: This is reporting from the New York Post. But yet
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Speaker 6: it was a story that she was having an affair
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Speaker 6: with the CEO of WebMD where she was working, who
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Speaker 6: ultimately ended up getting divorced from his wife, and it's
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Speaker 6: unclear whether this affair may have played a part in that,
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Speaker 6: but he maintained it appears another apartment for her in Manhattan,
36:14
Speaker 6: and that they were having a romantic relationship and he
36:20
Speaker 6: held a memorial service for her after she died. And
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Speaker 6: it's it's not totally clear what role this may have
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Speaker 6: played in an alternative narrative of the cases being offered
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Speaker 6: by Laura's father, But you know, it adds another wrinkle
36:36
Speaker 6: to the story here about what could have taken play.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, are you still alive or has someone
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Speaker 2: killed you? In the middle of crime stories? Because I
36:46
Speaker 2: can't believe you haven't jumped Inneranda.
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Speaker 7: Well, I just think there's so many twists and turns
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Speaker 7: to the story. But where my mind goes is a husband,
36:54
Speaker 7: a former husband, who is interested enough in killing his
36:58
Speaker 7: wife to hire a hit man, has a long history
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Speaker 7: of verbal, if not physical abuse towards that victim, That
37:07
Speaker 7: this was a domestic situation, and don't you know that
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Speaker 7: her father, that his father in law, was helpless witness
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Speaker 7: to all of this. I mean, he may have seen
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Speaker 7: his daughter suffering in this marriage. So when she goes missing,
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Speaker 7: she goes down the trash shoot. All of a sudden,
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Speaker 7: he thinks, you know, I'll be damned. It really is
37:29
Speaker 7: not only that the tragedy the loss, but that it
37:32
Speaker 7: may have ended in such a way that he was
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Speaker 7: afraid of it. I think it's remarkable that she was
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Speaker 7: having this other relationship because if it was a domestic situation,
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Speaker 7: women are at the greatest risk of homicide as they're
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Speaker 7: leaving a relationship. We all know this. He may have
37:52
Speaker 7: wanted soul custody of the sun. You know, we know
37:55
Speaker 7: an abusive family dynamics. Parents can't share parenting. They should
38:00
Speaker 7: be able to, but they can't. So he may have
38:02
Speaker 7: wanted control of the time, all for himself. And then, finally,
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Speaker 7: I think the idea that she was inebriated and had
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Speaker 7: been drinking shows that whoever committed this crime, that was
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Speaker 7: the husband. It sounds like it hiring a hit man.
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Speaker 7: He knew her patterns. He knew, you know, when she
38:20
Speaker 7: would have fun afternoons, when she would hang out with friends,
38:23
Speaker 7: and when she would be the most vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: Again, the ex husband denies any involvement or domestic abuse.
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Speaker 2: But I've got another point. Take alostnour cut seventeen from
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Speaker 2: crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 13: Nicholas Prechanco alleges that Laura's estranged husband, David Slatchett, tracked
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Speaker 13: Laura's movements by having software installed on her laptop, and
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Speaker 13: this is how the unidentified hit man was able to
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Speaker 13: know pre jot Go's location, allowing him to wait for her,
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Speaker 13: strangle her before disposing of her body in the trash Choote.
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Speaker 13: Police have said when prijon Go's body was discovered in
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Speaker 13: the trash compactor, it was quote crushed from multiple ang
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Speaker 13: The New York City Medical Examiner ruled her death and accident,
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Speaker 13: but the family hired former New York City Chief Medical Examiner,
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Speaker 13: doctor Michael Baden, who said he found that pre Chidco
39:11
Speaker 13: may have been strangled to death.
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Speaker 2: Paul Morrow, attorney and former NYPD inspector jump in.
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Speaker 7: So.
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Speaker 5: One of the other forensics that they certainly would have
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Speaker 5: looked at year are the digital forensics, and that's going
39:22
Speaker 5: to be very important here. Now. By the time of
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Speaker 5: this death, we already had encrypted phones, so that's not
39:29
Speaker 5: a very easy thing to surmount. But putting to the
39:33
Speaker 5: reporting online, they do have hold of some at least
39:36
Speaker 5: text messages, or emails, so they got some stuff. Even
39:40
Speaker 5: if the phone is encrypted, there are other ways to
39:42
Speaker 5: go about it. You can dump the cloud. You can
39:44
Speaker 5: go to secondary devices, which sometimes the phone feeds into,
39:48
Speaker 5: which is what happened in the hunter Biden's situation. His
39:50
Speaker 5: texts from his phone were on his laptop. These these
39:54
Speaker 5: devices talk to each other. It was a large response
39:57
Speaker 5: to this. This is the seventeen preasing. This is a
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Speaker 5: healthy area on Manhattan's East Side. There was no shortage
40:03
Speaker 5: of attention paid to this. The notion I'm just going
40:06
Speaker 5: to push back a little bit on the notion that
40:08
Speaker 5: this was taken lightly. I can tell you it was not,
40:11
Speaker 5: and in fact, in detective squads these days, unfortunately this
40:14
Speaker 5: may be changing, but for a good while here, while
40:17
Speaker 5: the murder rate was so low, detectives literally would compete
40:20
Speaker 5: to catch a homicide, to catch a murder case. It's
40:23
Speaker 5: kind of the a level case in a detective squad. Furthermore,
40:27
Speaker 5: they would get enhancement from Manhattan South Thomside, which is
40:31
Speaker 5: a unit dedicated to investigating homicides, who don't really catch
40:34
Speaker 5: the case, but they help, for lack of a better term,
40:36
Speaker 5: that's called enhancing. My point overall is this Joe Jack
40:40
Speaker 5: o'loane was talking about the videos that would have been
40:42
Speaker 5: pulled absolutely, not only within the building, but outside the
40:45
Speaker 5: building on any relevant time period or ingressive egress to
40:49
Speaker 5: the building. Street video would have been pulled. Any video
40:53
Speaker 5: inside the building. If there's a card used to get
40:56
Speaker 5: in and out of the building, I don't know if
40:57
Speaker 5: it's a key card kind of thing to get into
40:58
Speaker 5: the elevator, but certainly you have a doorman. Everybody would
41:02
Speaker 5: have been interviewed, You would have dropped all of this
41:05
Speaker 5: stuff into the squad, and you would have had a
41:10
Speaker 5: lot of people scraping at it trying to solve it. Now,
41:12
Speaker 5: that doesn't mean there wasn't foul play here, because admittedly
41:17
Speaker 5: it's a very odd set of circumstances and as I
41:20
Speaker 5: said earlier, not something I've encountered in the past. But
41:23
Speaker 5: I would say that I think that a lot of
41:26
Speaker 5: stuff was done here that was not this positive. And
41:29
Speaker 5: for even them me to come in and say, well,
41:31
Speaker 5: we're going to rule that this thing appears to be
41:34
Speaker 5: not a homicide. They certainly don't have anything to hang
41:38
Speaker 5: their hats on accidental is hard for me to swallow.
41:40
Speaker 5: The idea that she somehow fell into a shoot that's
41:43
Speaker 5: four feet off the ground. I think that defies.
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Speaker 2: Belief, especially first.
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Speaker 5: Fee first exactly, she'd have to take a flying.
41:51
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that door slam shut. It's a spring action.
41:56
Speaker 2: It's slam shut if you let go of it. So
41:59
Speaker 2: how did she do that? Doctor Michael Boden, do you
42:04
Speaker 2: believe this was a suicide?
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Speaker 10: Nancy? One thing though, Just to be clear, the initial
42:12
Speaker 10: cause of death listed in the death certificate in the
42:16
Speaker 10: on the what Topsy report is multiple blunt impact injuries
42:22
Speaker 10: and the manner of death is listened as undetermined. That's
42:26
Speaker 10: it's odd to say undetermined and then say it's no
42:31
Speaker 10: foul play because if you're saying that, which which was
42:34
Speaker 10: the what was given over to the police, no foul
42:37
Speaker 10: play means it's not homicide. Well, it's certainly not an accident.
42:41
Speaker 10: It's what Well, all that's left is suicide, and I
42:46
Speaker 10: guess they the the whoever issued the death certificate would
42:50
Speaker 10: have unless there's a new death certificate, the second death
42:53
Speaker 10: certificate that says suicide. This says undetermined. And the only
42:57
Speaker 10: reason to do that be if you're uncertain about it,
43:02
Speaker 10: because it's either natural accident suicide of homicide. Well, it's
43:07
Speaker 10: not natural. You can't accident. This can't possibly be an accident.
43:12
Speaker 10: You don't accidentally fall into a treashoot. It's either suicide,
43:17
Speaker 10: as pull said, of a homicide, and they rule out
43:19
Speaker 10: homicide by saying no foul play. So normally one would
43:22
Speaker 10: put suicide down. But it was treated as a suicide.
43:26
Speaker 10: And I think once it's treated as a suicide, that
43:29
Speaker 10: would diminish the extent that in my experience of the
43:35
Speaker 10: police investigation into possible homicide, was.
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Speaker 7: There a culture of disdain towards wealthy victims in this precinct.
43:43
Speaker 2: I doubt it, because that precinct was full of rich people.
43:46
Speaker 2: Even in that building you had Anthony Wiener and many
43:49
Speaker 2: other high profile people living there. Decamal Downey with the
43:54
Speaker 2: Daily Beast. Is it true? Is the father's the victim's
43:59
Speaker 2: father's allegation true or do we know if it's true
44:02
Speaker 2: that the ex husband had placed spywear on her devices
44:08
Speaker 2: that could follow her around and know where she was going.
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Speaker 16: That's his allegation, and his allegation is that that spy
44:16
Speaker 16: where were the used by her ex husband to inform
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Speaker 16: the hitman of her location and in his.
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Speaker 6: Narrative, that's why you know she was able to be
44:28
Speaker 6: cornered in this trash shoe room. However, the lawsuit bitty
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Speaker 6: file doesn't offer any evidence and that doesn't appear to
44:38
Speaker 6: have ever been released by a police in this case.
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Speaker 2: So that is the father's claim, Lara's father's claim. I'm
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Speaker 2: sure the ex husband is denying that as well. We
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Speaker 2: wait as just as unfolds. If you have information or
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Speaker 2: think you have information, please dial eight hundred FI. I
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Speaker 2: have seven seven tips, T I P S. Goodbye, said
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Speaker 5: M