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Cardinals 2025 MLB Draft Recap · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal territory and happy second half. I
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: cannot believe that we are here with just sixty five
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Cardinals games to go. The All Star Game is over,
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  Speaker 1: the Home Run Derby is over, and of course the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five MLB Draft is over. So I thought
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  Speaker 1: we would bring in one of the experts here on everything. Draft.
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  Speaker 1: Baseball America's JJ Cooper joins the show. JJ, how are
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  Speaker 1: you in congratulations on surviving another draft.
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  Speaker 2: I will tell you the adrenaline is kind of receding now.
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  Speaker 3: It was kind of nice.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of have taken a couple of days of
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  Speaker 2: a little bit slower post raft, post Futures Game, post
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  Speaker 2: All Star Game and all that.
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  Speaker 3: But hey, we're back.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're now rolling again, and yeah, it feels
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  Speaker 2: like it's the second half. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we're at like sixty five percent at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, so it's like, Okay, we're now really
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  Speaker 2: into the second half.
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  Speaker 3: Trade deadline is going to be here before we know it. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: It's that mad dash to the summer months, and for
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals, their season could either be the next sixty
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  Speaker 1: five games or the next ten, depending on how they
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  Speaker 1: play and what they do do decide going into the
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  Speaker 1: trade deadline. But there's a lot to like about what
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals did over at the last week or so.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into how their draft went and
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  Speaker 1: how we scouting, doctor Ready Flores did, I want to
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  Speaker 1: ask you, JJ, what is it like covering the draft
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  Speaker 1: and the days leading up to it? And then were
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  Speaker 1: you surprised by how the first five picks went down?
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  Speaker 2: So this is where this like I it is fun
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  Speaker 2: to try to figure out all the permutations. And in
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  Speaker 2: some ways yes, because like we are final mock did
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  Speaker 2: not have Eli Willets going number one, and then once
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  Speaker 2: that happens, it cascades down throughout everything. But at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, no, because like I think it's funny, like
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  Speaker 2: how you do a lot of stuff in all but
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  Speaker 2: Carlos Clauza for US actually did a video in April.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that laid out like how Eli Willets could
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  Speaker 2: end up as the first pick in the draft to
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals, And that's kind of what happened, which is
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  Speaker 2: is like, okay, if you like all these guys roughly
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  Speaker 2: this range, and you kind of take the guy who's
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  Speaker 2: going to give you the deal that you want, and
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  Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot more down the road,
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  Speaker 2: and then just things after that started cascading as well,
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  Speaker 2: where I would say that if you look at the
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  Speaker 2: totality of the top of this draft and you look
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  Speaker 2: at some of the agreements that we already have bonus wise,
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  Speaker 2: like Tyler Breunners and all, what it tells you is
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  Speaker 2: there was viewed as there wasn't a ton of separation
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  Speaker 2: at the top between one guy and another. And so
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  Speaker 2: if you don't view it as oh, Ethan Holiday is
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  Speaker 2: a clear step ahead, or oh, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: that Liam Doyle or Jamie Arnold or Tyler Breunner is
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  Speaker 2: a clear step ahead, then the guys who kind of
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  Speaker 2: work out and give you deals give you a lower
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  Speaker 2: bonus than the allotted amount allows you to spend more
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  Speaker 2: later on. And that's I think when you look at
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  Speaker 2: when of the dust clears on this top five, that'll
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  Speaker 2: definitely be all of these players the top and very
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  Speaker 2: few exceptions of Paul schemes like exception usually sign for
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  Speaker 2: less than the allotment for those picks, because the way
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  Speaker 2: it's designed is there's a lot of leverage. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of reason if you're a player. If I'm a player,
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  Speaker 2: and I can go one or I can go five,
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  Speaker 2: even though they have reduced the differences between those picks.
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  Speaker 2: Or I can go one, or I can go six,
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  Speaker 2: I can go two, or I can go eight. I
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  Speaker 2: can take a lot less money than the number two
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  Speaker 2: pick is quote supposed to get and still make a
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  Speaker 2: good bit more money than I would if I take
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  Speaker 2: the risk of falling to eight and getting us a
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  Speaker 2: full slot.
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  Speaker 3: I think we saw a lot of that happen this year.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that certainly makes sense. I know I was
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  Speaker 1: surprised when Eli Willets went one one that we'd heard
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  Speaker 1: over the last couple days thanks to reporting from you
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  Speaker 1: guys that he was maybe higher on people's draft boards
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  Speaker 1: than originally projected, and then certainly did not see Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Bremner going two overall. But it's definitely a very Angels pick.
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  Speaker 1: Very hard to figure out what the Angels are doing
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  Speaker 1: in all aspects of baseball.
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  Speaker 2: You will fly to the big leagues quickly. I feel
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  Speaker 2: comfortable in predicting that he's pretty polished. He had a
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  Speaker 2: great finish to the season, and he is now in
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  Speaker 2: an organization where he knows he should be collecting major
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  Speaker 2: league in the not too distant.
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  Speaker 1: Future, and that's what the Angels do. They have routinely
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  Speaker 1: with their first round pick, looked at guys that can
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  Speaker 1: maybe fast track to the major league. So Tyler Bredner
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  Speaker 1: could do that, and then Liam Doyle can do that
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  Speaker 1: as well. I know Cardinals fans are rightfully super excited
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  Speaker 1: about the Cardinals first round draft pick. We'll get into
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  Speaker 1: into what everyone wants to talk about, including myself, Liam
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  Speaker 1: Doyle not exactly the Cardinals prototype usually, but here he
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  Speaker 1: is with one hundred and one mile power fastball, just
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  Speaker 1: a crazy or unorthodox delivery, even more crazy kind of
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  Speaker 1: viral celebrations on the mound, and most excitingly is one
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  Speaker 1: of those pictures at fast tracks of the major leagues. JJ,
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  Speaker 1: what are your impressions about Liam Doyle and why didn't
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  Speaker 1: this is a good pit for Saint Lewis.
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  Speaker 2: Doyle is like, as you said, if you said that
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  Speaker 2: the typical, and I want to say always typical, because
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  Speaker 2: they've drafted some guys like Michael McGreevy and all over
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  Speaker 2: the years where you're like that guy, there's some risk there,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, if he figures out his control, he
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  Speaker 2: could be really good. They've taken some of those guys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you go back years ago, but like you
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  Speaker 2: take the Carlos Martinez and the Alex ray is is
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  Speaker 2: it's not like they've been like no, no, no, we
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  Speaker 2: are utterly allergic to vlosity. But I would say that
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  Speaker 2: the more typical top of the draft Cardinals pick is
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  Speaker 2: that really polished, really well rounded picture. You're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: if he has a concern it said, he doesn't miss
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot of bats.
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  Speaker 3: Liam Doyle misses bat. That's not a concern with Liam Doyle.
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  Speaker 2: As you said, you are talking about one of the
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  Speaker 2: best fastballs, if not the best fastball in this class,
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  Speaker 2: and he uses it a lot. He is a pitcher
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  Speaker 2: who can go through innings just dominating with the fastball
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  Speaker 2: because it does have velocity, it has good movement characteristics,
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  Speaker 2: it has all the things you're looking to to try
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  Speaker 2: to just basically dominate with that. He has a change
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  Speaker 2: up that plays very well with it. And then we
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  Speaker 2: get to the question, the big question with him though,
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  Speaker 2: is okay, does that is that going to be enough?
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  Speaker 3: Or is he going to have.
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  Speaker 2: To figure out It's not like he doesn't throw a
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  Speaker 2: breaking while he's a slider, but is it going to
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  Speaker 2: be good enough as it currently stands to get to
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  Speaker 2: have success in the majors or is that something that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be the to do list? Is that going
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  Speaker 2: to be something where it's here now and it's going
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  Speaker 2: to have to get to hear for him to be
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  Speaker 2: that front of the rotation starter that you're hoping when
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  Speaker 2: you take him, you know, that high in the draft.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the question we don't know, like when we
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  Speaker 2: talk to scouts, when we talk to front offices all
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  Speaker 2: through the season, I think we had three different people,
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  Speaker 2: Sollliam Noyle in person, you know, talking to scouts at
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  Speaker 2: those games and all, and you would get very mixed reviews.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, when I say mixed reviews, no one was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this guy's terrible, but the reviews were some player people,
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  Speaker 2: some evaluators see him as where he is right now
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  Speaker 2: could basically be the path to big league success. There
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  Speaker 2: are pitchers who can pitch off the fast ball, off
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  Speaker 2: a changeup, and the breaking balls in their view good
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  Speaker 2: enough to be a part of that and you can
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  Speaker 2: now work. But there are definitely others who are like you,
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  Speaker 2: like the pieces you have here, the fallback position of
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  Speaker 2: this guy being a.
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  Speaker 3: Really good reliever are already there right now.
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  Speaker 2: But if he's going to be what you want him
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  Speaker 2: to be, he's going to really have to find a
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  Speaker 2: better breaking ball, one that he can come comfortably throw
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  Speaker 2: to give. Especially really in his case, you know, good
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  Speaker 2: news for him same side hitters, because change up it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty good against, you know, when he has the platoon advantage.
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  Speaker 2: But to give him a better way to get through
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  Speaker 2: a lineup multiltiple times, and that's you know again, like
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  Speaker 2: you get to see this all the time. I've been saying,
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  Speaker 2: like with this, I'm going to be fascinated to see
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  Speaker 2: like you're reporting and others like, come spring training, are
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  Speaker 2: we going to be reading about, Hey, Liam Doyle was
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  Speaker 2: working in the lab this offseason, and check out this
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  Speaker 2: fill in the blank breaking ball. It's a new grip,
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  Speaker 2: it's a different pitch, it's whatever it may be. Like
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  Speaker 2: we talk about Paul Skeens, who kind of is the
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  Speaker 2: gold standard of what you want to see from a
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  Speaker 2: college pitcher, who just steps in and basically becomes the
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  Speaker 2: All Star starter of the next two years. I don't
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  Speaker 2: expect that for Liam Doyle. That's the first Paul Skeenes
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  Speaker 2: first time's ever happened. But Paul Skeene showed up for
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  Speaker 2: spring training and he's like, check out this splinker I have.
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  Speaker 2: That gives me another weapon to face, you know, hitters.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He had messed with that pitch at LSU, but he
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  Speaker 2: never really threw it. And so if Liam Doyle shows
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  Speaker 2: up next year and it's like, hey, we figured out
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  Speaker 2: that a sweeper it's really good for me, or a
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  Speaker 2: bullet slider or a you know, a cut you know,
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  Speaker 2: a cutter or like it could be a variety of
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  Speaker 2: ways that you could say, all of a sudden, he
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  Speaker 2: has that breaking ball. That is the thing that we
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  Speaker 2: want to see and controls pretty solid, as you said.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is is he's done this at Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: He's done it regularly as a starter, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: like something where you're projecting converting a reliever, but the
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  Speaker 2: delivery has some energy to it. Can he maintain that
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  Speaker 2: over a major league workload is the.
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  Speaker 1: Other question, and that's kind of what we talked about
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  Speaker 1: with scouting director Randy Flores after the draft a shout
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  Speaker 1: out flow of Cardinals had four picks on Sunday, and
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  Speaker 1: right after picking Liam Doyle, arguably their most important pick
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  Speaker 1: in years, he met with the media, so plus one
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  Speaker 1: for Flow and we talked about this, Look, we know
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  Speaker 1: this JJ. No major league team drafts for need you
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  Speaker 1: draft for what's best available. It's a lot different than
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  Speaker 1: NFL or NBA. But I asked Flow, when you think
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  Speaker 1: about the extreme costs of starting pitching on the market,
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  Speaker 1: especially for high by low, high swing and miss, does
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  Speaker 1: that maybe increase the importance of drafting and developing that
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  Speaker 1: own talent in your system, and he said absolutely. I'll
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  Speaker 1: read this quote from him. He said with Liam Doyle specifically,
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  Speaker 1: Flow said, there is risk, but I think for upside
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  Speaker 1: you have to swallow that risk. Acquiring swing and miss.
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  Speaker 1: Acquiring one hundred and one miles per hour with that
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  Speaker 1: unique fastball on the free agent market is very expensive,
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  Speaker 1: So certainly there is some risk. There is some possible
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  Speaker 1: risk of him being a believer. Our hope is that
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  Speaker 1: he's only really committed to this type of fitness and
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  Speaker 1: stamina for one year. Imagine as he began stacking it.
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  Speaker 1: It bodes well for his chances to stay as a
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  Speaker 1: starter of Cardinals fans. For those of you who don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Liam Doyle over went a very extensive workout routine, completely
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  Speaker 1: changed the way that he was working out, lost nearly
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  Speaker 1: twenty pounds going into the season with Tennessee. So it
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  Speaker 1: does give the Cardinals some sort of excitement going forward.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I think all of us at some
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  Speaker 2: point had tried workout plans. I wish I had workout
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  Speaker 2: plans that worked that well, and that probably earned me
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  Speaker 2: an additional four to five million dollars because if you
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  Speaker 2: look at where Liam Doyle was coming out of last
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  Speaker 2: year to this year. That was one of the best
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  Speaker 2: workout plans that anyone could ever do, because he did
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  Speaker 2: transform himself and get into that, you know, that shape
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  Speaker 2: to be that kind of dominating and the guy who
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  Speaker 2: answered the bell every Friday night against some of the
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  Speaker 2: best competition in college baseball for one of the best
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  Speaker 2: teams in college baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Liam Doyle dropped the workout routine, my guy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's July. We all need it. And to your point, JJ,
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  Speaker 1: he signed for seven. Doyle sign for seven point twenty
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  Speaker 1: five million dollars. That is a little under slot for
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  Speaker 1: the number five pick. I believe it was right around
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  Speaker 1: eight point one. So it goes back to what you
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  Speaker 1: were saying about these guys and where they're signing, and
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals were able to maybe navigate their bonus pool
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  Speaker 1: a little more.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and that's still by I think what we're going
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  Speaker 2: to see is as a percentage of the bonus pool,
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna be one of the higher guys in that
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  Speaker 2: top five six picks, because like Tyler Bremner, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was the seventy five percent, which is that is
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  Speaker 2: the lowest that they could offer him, because I believe
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  Speaker 2: that he did go through you know, the combine, the
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  Speaker 2: medical and all that, and so you have to offer
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  Speaker 2: at least seventy five percent. So he got the you know,
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  Speaker 2: so there are other guys who got.
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  Speaker 3: Significantly less as far as the bonus ball.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing I'll say with that though, I think
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  Speaker 2: that you made a good point there, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and Randy Flores did, which is I do view this nowadays,
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  Speaker 2: right ten years ago, we would look at this and say, well,
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  Speaker 2: what is Liam Doyle's eta, And it would probably be
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  Speaker 2: safest to say twenty seven. That was kind of the
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  Speaker 2: normal path like you would go out and in very
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  Speaker 2: few cases there were guys who moved faster than this.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of times it'd be like, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to pitch a little bit this year. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: nowadays the way it goes. If you told me that
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  Speaker 2: he throws ten innings, I wouldn't be shocked. He told
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  Speaker 2: me through zero official innings this year he had a
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  Speaker 2: heavy workload a tennesseee.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't asked.
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  Speaker 2: You may have, you know, Flora, you know Randy and
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  Speaker 2: I may have said, but like normally a lot of
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  Speaker 2: those guys don't really do much of anything on an
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  Speaker 2: official mound. They'll play in bridge league, they'll work out,
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  Speaker 2: they'll do all these things. But at this point you
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  Speaker 2: look at like Chase Burns from last year's draft, who
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  Speaker 2: went two overall, but a similar type of background of
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  Speaker 2: you know, front of the rotation, college starter and he's
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  Speaker 2: in that you know that reds rotation by.
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  Speaker 3: The All Star break of the next year.
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  Speaker 2: I do think nowadays week nine of the top ten
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  Speaker 2: college players drafted in the twenty three draft are in
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  Speaker 2: the big leagues. Now you know, we've already had numerous
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  Speaker 2: multiple players in the top fifteen picks last year who
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  Speaker 2: were in the big leagues. I do think it does
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  Speaker 2: change a little bit your mindset. If you're the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: going into this offseason, and I would assume that they
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  Speaker 2: think next year, however, this goes over the next sick
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  Speaker 2: you said ten days, whether they're in it for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the year, or saying, Okay, we've taken a
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  Speaker 2: step forward, but next year's the year. I would assume
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  Speaker 2: that next year they're in Cardinals fans I think would
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  Speaker 2: really hope that the next year is like, Okay, this
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  Speaker 2: dip this rebuild, whatever you want to call it, is
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  Speaker 2: now over. I do think that drafting Liam Doyle and
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  Speaker 2: having that fifth pick, that having that pick that you
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  Speaker 2: could do this with and in comparison to picking where
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals were supposed to pick, kind of may change
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  Speaker 2: their free agent strategy because whether I don't think you
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  Speaker 2: would expect Liam Doyd'll be up on opening day by
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  Speaker 2: any stretch, but if you said, oh, we feel like
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  Speaker 2: that one of our biggest needs going into this year
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  Speaker 2: is a starter with swing and miss stuff. As Randy
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  Speaker 2: said there, those are very expensive, and now the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: can say, well, we do think that we might get fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: we might get twenty starts out of Liam Doyle potentially.
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  Speaker 3: In that role.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of opens it up to say, hey, we
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  Speaker 2: can kind of allocate our free agent resources somewhere else
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  Speaker 2: a little bit in a way that you couldn't have
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  Speaker 2: if you know, again, I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: scenarios we had it where maybe Eli Willetts would have
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  Speaker 2: been the pick, and that could have been a very
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  Speaker 2: good pick at pick five, but that would not have
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  Speaker 2: affected your next your twenty twenty six plans if you're
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals in any way, shape or form. You wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: say we drafted Eli Willets, so we don't need to
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  Speaker 2: do anything free agency. Liam Doyle may change your plans
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  Speaker 2: for free agency a little bit because you can say
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  Speaker 2: that you think that he will potentially pitch for them
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  Speaker 2: next year.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's why fans are so excited about
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  Speaker 1: this pick, not just because of the one oh one
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  Speaker 1: or because he's has a Chris Carpenter esque reaction time
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: on the mound. We talked to Liam Doyle on Sunday
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: night and he said, you know, he's ready to go now.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: He's ready to jump into game action now. And I
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: think that really fired up Cardinals fans, knowing that someone
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: with such a prestigious pick could be much closer to
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: the majors. And I've ran into some player development guys
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Sunday night leaving the ballpark and they were just fired
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: up about this pick. I'm really excited to see what
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: new director of pitching, Matt Pierpont can do with Liam
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Doyle's arsenal. And of course, you know, Flow has not
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: decided where Liam Doyle will start. Maybe Double A will see,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: but he does project to be on that track similar
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: to a Paul Skiing skimilar to a Chase Burns and
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: for Cardinals fans who have not had a lot to
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: look forward to in terms of the farm system panning out,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have Liam Doyle and JJ
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Weatherholt knocking on the door and you're playing a lot
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: better about your farm system.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Oh and you should because again JJ weatherhold, I would expect,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not crazy to think if there's a
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: need and there's an opportunity that he could be up
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: at some point in the second half the year this year,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: which again that's not you know, a while back that
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: would have been Wow, that's crazy fast. Now you look
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: at it and say, well, that's following the in the
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: on the heels of multiple picks ahead of him, multiple
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: picks behind him in that draft who have already reached
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Nick Kurt's I think Nick Kurts has seventeen home runs
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: right now for the A's, which is crazy. You know,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Christian Moors is you know, he's hurt right now, but
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: he's up with the Angels, like there are multiple hitters up,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: there are multiple pitchers up. But the other thing I
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: would say with that is, I don't think this will happen.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: But let's say that the Cardinals are in it right,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Let's say that the Cardinals do make a run here.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think in any scenario. Again, I would expect
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: that Liam Doyle threw a lot.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Of innings this year.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: But if you said, if healthy and if they don't
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: feel it's detrimental to him, I would not say that
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Liam Doyle is ready to help the big league club
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: in September October as a starter. But if you said,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: a la Garrett Crochet who did this a little bit
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: for the White Sox in twenty twenty, also happened to
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: be a Tennessee first round pick, first round pick out
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: of Tennessee, all this, you know, if you said, he's
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: ready to do that role, and we think that it's
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: not going to harm his development, we think he's healthy
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: enough to do this, all these things. He's ready to
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: do that like he could if you said, hey, I'm
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: not saying he's going to You're talking about small samples.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: He could always get rocked, he could always struggle through
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: the strikes. New ball, because the college ball and the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: big league ball and the minor league ball are all
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: three different baseballs.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: All these things.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: But if you said, what would one hundred miles an
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: hour and a change up look like? You know in
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the pen, you would say, I think he could probably
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: get some outs. Now, I don't think that'll happen. But
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that's the kind of talent we're talking about here.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think Cardinals fans are so excited.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: The organization is so excited, and Liam Doyle was super
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: excited to talk to I mean, when you're excited to
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: talk to the media, you have to be excited about something.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So but again, but Lee, like you said, Liam is
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: a fired up dude.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I think Cardinals fans will look forward to
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: seeing that because it's just been a little stale over
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the last two years, the same prototype of pitcher taking
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: them ount every day. Not a lot of guys willing
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to express themselves outside of the Cardinal way, if you will,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: And at a time where the game is changing and
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals are trying to modernize, I don't think there's
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: a better pick out there that encompasses that more than
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Liam Doyle. So very exciting, a very exciting pick, and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: exciting times ahead for the Cardinals' farm system. We'll take
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  Speaker 1: All right, So, looking at the Cardinals twenty twenty five draft. Overall,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: they selected twenty one total players, twenty collegiate players, and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: just one high school prep player. That's the second year
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: in a row they have done so. By position, that's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: twelve pitchers, five in builders, three outfielders, and one catcher.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Of the twelve pitchers, two are left handed, a heavy
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: mix of the University of Tennessee guys, including their or
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: their number three pick, Tanner Franklin JJ. When you look
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: about this draft the first time with the new regime,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and maybe you're kind of seeing the Hein Bloom imprint here.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Of course, Randy Flores has been this out any director
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: for forever and has done a nice job. What do
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you see that's different about this year's draft class?
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: You hit on the thing.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: If you their top two pictures they took, you would say,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean they both touch one hundred miles an hour
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and they both miss bats. That's not like something Again,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I will go back to that's not something about the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Cardinals said no, no, no, we do not want pitchers who
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: miss bats. But it is something that seems like they
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: steered into that trait a little bit more this year
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: than they have in past years. I would also say
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: very much, and I don't think this is that unusual,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: but it is kind of a portfolio approach as you
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: would expect to for almost any draft, which is, okay,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: we just talked about Liam Doyle is the close to
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the big leagues, should move pretty quickly, but also high
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: ceiling picture that you get fifth overall. Ryan Mitchell is
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: kind of their their second pick to fifth pick of
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the draft. Kind of the opposite of that, This is
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a guy who probably going to take some time. That
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: is kind of more what we think about with the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: draft when you say, well, what's his ETA twenty eight,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: twenty nine, if it goes right, like that's not a
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: crazy thing for a talented high school a player who's
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: you know, played shortstop in high school. Looks like I
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: think with the Cardinals more likely and the expectation has
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: long been more likely a center fielder long term. To
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: go back to what I know that some people ask, well,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: but that's where Victor Scott plays.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: It's like, yes, this.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Is a guy who, if everything goes right and everything
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: breaks right, will be arriving at about the time that
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Victor Scott is in year four or five of his
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: big league contract. You know, he'll be an arbitration. All
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: that options are always good. That's he's not gonna This
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: is not something where Victor Scott blocks.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: This guy.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: He's a long ways away, but he is a high upside.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: There's a lot to like here. There's a lot of
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: upside and talent. You know, could be an up the middle,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: impact defender who also hits. There's some power as well.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: But that's that you have balanced right there. You've done
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a very good balance of I've got college pitcher who
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: should move fast. I've got the high school guy who,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: if it all breaks right, could be you know, an
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: elite prospect. But there's definitely risk there. That's why he
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: was there at pick fifty five. We talk about Tanner Franklenx,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that that's a I think that's probably a pure reliever,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: but one.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Who the stuff.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I know that when you talk about guys
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: who throw, relievers who throw one hundred plus, you can
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: talk about delivery and all that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: A lot of.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Times those guys, if they stay healthy, which is obviously
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a risk, do figure out something. I use the example
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: too often now. I think of Justin Martinez with the Diamondbacks,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: who if you ask two years ago describe Justin Martinez,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: it would be he throws really hard one oh.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: One, one oh two.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have a whole lot of idea where it's going,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't get a lot of outs with it
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: because he doesn't know where it's going. Then the light
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: bulb clicks on, and you know what. There's That's what
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: developed him is It's not always linear, but when it
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: does click on, if you throw one oh one, one
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: oh two, if you throw that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Different organizations now who say, if you have that kind
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: of arm speed he already has a slider in Frank's case,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: but you're gonna have a second pitch.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: We almost we can't.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It's almost impossible that we will fail you developmentally that
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: if you can throw a hundred, we will not figure
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: out whether it's some kind of second pitch to go
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: You have those two pitches.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: If you can throw the strikes, you can help a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: big league bullpen in some way. And then after that,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: like I said, we did kind of go back and forth.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: We have you know, Jack Gervich, who's kind of a
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you know, a productive first baseman. Okay, that's not the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: sexiest profile, you know for a college first baseman. But
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: then you go, I'm I'm a sucker for the sixth
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: round pick who we just added to our BA five
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: hundred right before the draft. Matthew Bmura is a center
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: fielder out of Hawaii who has some of the best
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: contact skills. Like when we talk about having a variety
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of traits here, Mura doesn't have a ton of power,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: but he's performed at Hawaii, He's performed in the Cape
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Cod League at and up the middle defender. You know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: can Ron can play center and another center fielder here.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: But the big thing is is he's a guy who
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: does not swing and miss, especially on pitches in the zone.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Some of the best swinging miss skills, you know, back
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to ball skills, I should say, in college baseball this year.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So you're adding him, you've got kind of now this
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: wide or ray because like if you said, well, why
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: did they go? You know, someone asked, why did they
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: go to center fielders. There, if Mitchell all works, it's
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a impact. You know, I can he can provide power,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: he can provide speed, he can provide hitting ability. Mirror
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: is more of like you're hoping to hit a single there.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: He's not going to hit a lot of doubles or triples,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: but you're saying there it may be a fourth outfielder
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: type who can play center field, can play in the corners.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: If you bring him up in this if he's at
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that in the seventh then and you're like, he's not
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: going to strike out, He's going to put the ball
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: in play, he's going to advance the runner. Those kind
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of traits kind of those two can kind of compliment
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: each other very well, and that's.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Super valuable as the Cardinals are learning with the the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: very limited bench that they have yet again this year,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you're a great story though. I believe he established himself
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: playing in a sand lot league in Hawaii. Just super exciting.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: That was one of the names that multiple scouts and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: agents texted me about. Just again, a very exciting time
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: in the organization. And you think about how this organization
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: was run in years prior. The Player Development Group, Draft,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: player Performance they were all kind of sectioned off in
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: their own separate areas. This year, you're seeing a lot
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: of collaboration between the two, and that is I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: what successful organizations do really well is they're all working together.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Because yes, you have your drafting guys, you have your
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: drafting department, your scouting apartment. They go and identify the talent,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean anything if you don't have a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: player development system that can bolster that talent and develop them.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: That's in their job. Then when you tie in player performance,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you get kind of the three headed monster that the Cardinals.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: We know this. They're hoping to come back to being
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a draft and development club. The way that they handled
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: this draft is I think the first time that fans
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: can see in real time how that works. And you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: know what, we don't give enough up to scouts. They
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: are absolutely behind the whole background of the organization. So
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: shout out scouts, Dirt Kenny, and TC Calhoun, they were
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: all over this draft. TC Calhoun the signing scout for
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Liam Doyle. I think when you're looking at the Cardinals
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: organization from an overall minor league farm system standpoint, we're
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: starting to see kind of the high bloom effect and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it's really encouraging for an organization that vastly needed a revamp.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So this draft allows us to see a little bit
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: more as to insight on how that's going.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I would just note with that when you said that
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: about the kind of the more interdepartment collaboration, if you
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: ask me over the years, you know, people say, what's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the Rays secret sauce? And I think the Rays don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: have a one plan. They like have a plan for
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: this year and next year may be very different. But
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: if you said one thing that does very much stand
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: out with the Rays. Know a lot of RAISE officials
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: have covered the race for us for years. They very
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: much there is not something where it's like you're on
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: your You're on your island.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I'm on my island. It is collaborative.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: You will see, you know, if you have scouts there,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: they will be in their clubhouse talking to their minor league,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you know, coaches and all they're working together you on
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the player performance. That all of that is very cohesive,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: and that is I believe a multiplier for these things.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go too far on this, but
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I do remember the extreme example the other way, this
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: is years ago now, but we remember. I remember there
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: was an Orioles draft where we talked to the oriol
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: This is year. This is like twenty years ago almost now,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: but there was an Oriols draft where we were talking
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: to the oriol scouting department and one of their top
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: picks and they're like, we think he's going to be
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a great catcher.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I know he's an outfielder.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Now, but we think he's going to be a really
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: got all the tools to be a great catcher.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And then we talk to their.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Player development side and we say, so, are y'all going to,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: you know, convert him to a catcher, And they said, no,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: he's an outfielder for us. The two sides hadn't talked
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to each other. So the scouting side drafted a guy
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: because the reason they draft him is they thought he
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: was a catcher, and the player development side says, no, no,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: we think he's an outfielder.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: You can't have that happening.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: You've got to have the two sides like, okay, this
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: is why we drafted this guy. And again you need
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to know all so departments should know what their strengths
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and weaknesses are. Not everyone can do, you can't do
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: everything best in class, right, you would love to, but
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: no one else, No one can except for maybe you know, okay,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: maybe the Dodgers can throw enough resources.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I don't, but you you.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Know, some teams are great at developing change ups. Some
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: teams are great at developing breaking balls. Some teams are
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: great as saying if you have trouble getting left, he's
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: out of the right hand, and we're going to figure
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: that out for you know what you're good at, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: then the scouting department can provide players. So then like,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: if you're great at developing change ups and you say,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: this guy doesn't have a change up, that's why he's
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: going to be available in the fourth round because he
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: can't get left. He's out because he don't have a
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: change up. And you're like, oh no, no, we can do that. Okay,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: then that's the perfect guy to fit with that. But
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: if you say, you know what, we're really struggle with
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: developing plate discipline skills in this hypothetic organization, then don't
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: draft guys. You're like, well, the big thing is we've
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: got to teach them plate this one, know your strengths
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and weaknesses and let everyone work together. That's something that's again,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that's something that I'm blue very much. I would say
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: when he was with the race, it was very much emphasized, and.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's music to Cardinals fanziers, and I think
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of rightful optimism about the direction this
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: team is heading. It might take a couple of years,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and I know the primary focus will be on the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: next ten days, but when you're thinking about how this
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: organization is being rebuilt, I know we're not allowed to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: use the word rebuild, but excuse me if you will.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: There's a lot to look forward to and a lot
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: of new and different ideas that I think will impact
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the major league rosters sooner rather than later. JJ, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for doing this. Hey, if you've not
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  Speaker 1: least three times a week, So great job by you
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  Speaker 1: guys out there. I just love it.
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  Speaker 3: America.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you on that, and we are now adding speaking
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  Speaker 2: of you have if you're a Cardinals fanding out of
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  Speaker 2: the question, well, where's Liam Doyle rank in the Cardinals list?
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  Speaker 2: Where does you know Tanner Franklin rank. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: update our top thirty in the very near future. We
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  Speaker 2: are operating under the assumption that all ten top ten
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  Speaker 2: round sign some like you said Doyle has already had,
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  Speaker 2: but we're going to operate on that and if we do,
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  Speaker 2: we'll remove them later. But so you will be able
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  Speaker 2: to see Cardinals fans where all of the and we've
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  Speaker 2: by the way, we just updated our top thirties like
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  Speaker 2: a week and a half ago as well, So it's
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  Speaker 2: a very new, very updated Top thirty Cardinals list over
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  Speaker 2: there at Baseball America dot com.
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  Speaker 1: You know to do go check it out. JJ, thank
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  Speaker 1: you again for doing this. Looking forward to following along
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  Speaker 1: JJ weatherholl and Liam Doyle over the next couple of
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  Speaker 1: months and see where they end up. Come twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals fans will have a twenty to twenty five a
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  Speaker 1: second half preview coming out today as well, focusing on
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  Speaker 1: their upcoming series against the Arizona Diamondbacks. So lucky you
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  Speaker 1: you get minor lea again major League action on this Friday.
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  Speaker 1: For JJ Cooper, I'm Katie Wu. Thanks, it's always for
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  Speaker 1: watching Cardinal Territory. We will talk very soon. Jo