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Music at Competition 2.0 · Making The Impact - A Dance Competition Podcast

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SPEAKER_05: Have you ever wondered what goes on behind the table at Advanced Competition?
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SPEAKER_05: Exactly what are the judges looking for anyway?
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SPEAKER_05: This is Making the Impact, Advanced Competition Podcast.
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SPEAKER_05: Each week we'll cover a different topic related to the world of competitive dance from the perspective of the judges behind the table.
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SPEAKER_05: You asked and we answered.
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SPEAKER_05: Making the impact is back this week with another episode on music at competition.
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SPEAKER_05: From the most overused songs to songs we never get tired of, get ready for some real talk, helpful editing tips, and so much more.
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SPEAKER_04: Hey y'all, welcome to this week's episode of Making the Impact, a dance competition podcast.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm your host, Courtney Ortiz, and I am here with my co-host, Leslie Mueller.
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SPEAKER_05: What's up, Courtney?
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SPEAKER_05: We're here for episode 74, our second episode on music, and I think it's gonna get a little uh a little dicey.
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SPEAKER_05: A little wild today.
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SPEAKER_05: A little wild.
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SPEAKER_05: We got some opinions coming in, and usually we're all kind of in agreement, I feel like, on this podcast about like how we feel, but I'm interested to see what goes on today.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, I think I think there's gonna be a lot of agreement, and we'll see where the conversation goes, I'm sure.
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SPEAKER_04: But we're gonna be kind of covering a lot of overused songs at competition, which seems to be an extremely hot topic, especially in our Facebook group lately.
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SPEAKER_04: We've been chatting about it.
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SPEAKER_04: People getting hated over there, y'all.
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SPEAKER_04: And by the way, might as well tell everybody listening if you haven't joined our Facebook group, come on and join the party over there.
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SPEAKER_04: We talk about dance, we talk about competitions, it's a lot of fun, and uh we keep it constructive, we keep it nice and pleasant over there in the Facebook group.
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SPEAKER_04: And I will say though, it it has uh this music discussion has stirred the pot just hair in our Facebook group.
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SPEAKER_04: And uh we're gonna be talking a little bit about that today and overuse songs.
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SPEAKER_04: We're gonna be talking about songs that we love hearing at competition, and then just music in general, maybe how to cut your music properly better, things like that.
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SPEAKER_04: Please just do it is really the just why is it seven minutes long?
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SPEAKER_04: Please, why?
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SPEAKER_04: I digress.
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SPEAKER_04: Just so many things.
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SPEAKER_04: We have a lot to cover in this episode, but thanks for joining us.
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SPEAKER_04: And by the way, like Leslie mentioned, if you haven't listened to our previous episode from season two, that's episode 29, Music at Competition.
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SPEAKER_04: That was like the first version.
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SPEAKER_04: And now we're going to be giving you even more talk, more scoop about music at competition today.
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SPEAKER_04: So go listen to that one.
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SPEAKER_04: And uh I'm excited to tell you a little bit about one of our sponsors for the season, and that is a dance app for formations called Arrange Us.
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SPEAKER_04: If you are a choreographer, a dance teacher, a studio owner, or creative director, then I cannot wait for you to download the Arrange Us mobile app now.
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SPEAKER_04: It is truly a lifesaver when it comes to mapping out formations for your next performances, whether competition choreography or even recital.
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SPEAKER_04: With the Arrange Us app, you'll no longer need your pencil and notebook to draw out your formations.
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SPEAKER_04: But their app allows you to move and map out your dancers on stage and watch your formations come to life.
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SPEAKER_04: You can name each dancer, color coordinate everyone, and even synchronize your formations with your music.
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SPEAKER_04: As a user myself, I cannot recommend this awesome app enough.
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SPEAKER_04: It has saved me so much time when I'm guest choreographing, and it's such a helpful tool that I think all dance teachers and choreographers need on their iPad immediately.
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SPEAKER_04: Yes, thank you, everybody.
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SPEAKER_04: And it is time to jump in to the music chat.
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SPEAKER_04: Here we go, y'all.
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SPEAKER_04: Get ready.
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SPEAKER_04: We have two wonderful guests, like always.
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SPEAKER_04: And the first guest that I'm excited to reintroduce back to the podcast for the third time.
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SPEAKER_04: You may remember them from season one, episode eight, Boys in Dance.
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SPEAKER_04: And also season two, episode 50, an inside look into judging and scoring at competitions.
6:05
SPEAKER_04: I'm so excited to welcome back IDA Judge, Mr.
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SPEAKER_04: Colin Shea Dennison.
6:10
SPEAKER_04: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, thank you so much for having me.
6:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm excited to be back on the pod.
6:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: We love having you on the pod, Colin.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, third time's a charm.
6:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: We've had a lot of re-returning judges back for their third time this year already, which is really exciting, especially so early in the season.
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SPEAKER_04: And this is a completely different topic that you're talking about today, still, you know, from the judge's chair, your perspective.
6:35
SPEAKER_04: And, you know, as a dance teacher and educator as well, but I can't wait to hear all your favorite songs, Colin.
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SPEAKER_04: All your not so favorite songs.
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SPEAKER_00: I have I have a lot of a lot of all of it, and I feel like there's there's just gonna be some big feelings today with music.
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SPEAKER_00: We are all gonna have a lot of big feelings, and that's okay.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll process them together.
6:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, we will.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, for all the new listeners out there who maybe haven't listened to your previous episodes, give a quick little rundown, a little bit about you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I um grew up in southern Missouri, graduated from Missouri State with my BFA in acting, and then spent about 10 years in New York City just as uh actor, dancer, performer, teacher.
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SPEAKER_00: A couple years ago relocated back to southern Missouri and when I came back was on like the teaching side of things and started judging for IDA, I think, and I always forget the year, but I think it was 2015.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it was year two.
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SPEAKER_00: Is is that right?
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SPEAKER_00: Do those numbers match up?
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SPEAKER_04: I feel like that sounds right.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So early on with IDA, and so I now love being able to be on that side of the dance world and get to experience it from from behind the table mostly, and have since retired from performing.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Love it.
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SPEAKER_02: We love having you on the roster, and uh, we love having you back on the pod.
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SPEAKER_02: So thanks so much for being here tonight.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, likewise.
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SPEAKER_04: All right, and our next special guest is a new guest, first timer on our podcast.
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SPEAKER_04: And I have not had the pleasure of meeting this lovely person in person yet, but I hope that changes very soon.
8:12
SPEAKER_04: And I feel like we've connected on the internet for so long on all of these beautiful dance forums that are out there.
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SPEAKER_04: And I always, I always love everything she has to say.
8:24
SPEAKER_04: And the moment that we were we were casting this episode, I was like, I know who I'm gonna pick for this one.
8:30
SPEAKER_04: Yes, I'm excited to welcome Kaylin Gray to our podcast.
8:34
SPEAKER_04: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_04: Paula, happy to be here, guys.
8:39
SPEAKER_04: So glad you're here.
8:40
SPEAKER_03: Thanks for squeezing us into your busy schedule and absolutely chatting dance with us and chatting music with us today.
8:46
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I love your podcast, so I'm excited to be here.
8:50
SPEAKER_03: Yay, thanks for listening.
8:51
SPEAKER_04: Well, if you wouldn't mind telling the dance world a little bit more about who you are, where you're based, uh, where you grew up, where you teach, career credits, any college you want to share as well.
9:04
SPEAKER_06: Well, I was born in Buffalo, New York.
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SPEAKER_06: I trained at Mary Alice's Dance until I was about seven.
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SPEAKER_06: My dad got a job transfer, and that moved me to the northern Kentucky slash Cincinnati area.
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SPEAKER_06: And I've been teaching there at my home school for like my 23rd year.
9:20
SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
9:21
SPEAKER_06: And it sounds crazy, right?
9:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
9:23
SPEAKER_06: So I guess most people know me for Brain Tap to the People, which is like an online tap training program.
9:31
SPEAKER_06: It's kind of geared towards those teachers and students who don't make have the funds to like travel and take workshops and do festivals.
9:38
SPEAKER_06: So I literally just film myself and you know, maybe use the that class's material and I just film it, flap it in a series, and I said flap it.
9:49
SPEAKER_06: I mean, of course you do to do in a series.
9:52
SPEAKER_06: So yeah, it was one of the first online tap programs.
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SPEAKER_06: There's I mean, there's lots to choose from, but it's just been the joy of my life to share a tap dance with as many people as I can.
10:01
SPEAKER_06: For the last six years, I've been head judge and faculty member for Bellamoxie dance convention.
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SPEAKER_06: They're based out of New York City.
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SPEAKER_06: Um and I've been, you know, spending my summers traveling, teaching, choreographing, just kind of doing the grind like everybody else.
10:15
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I know.
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SPEAKER_06: Trying to make up for that year, for that year and a half of pandemic.
10:19
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
10:20
SPEAKER_06: From like, yes, yes, yes, yes, I'll take that.
10:22
SPEAKER_06: Yes, I'll do that.
10:22
SPEAKER_06: Do you need a solo?
10:23
SPEAKER_06: I'll do it.
10:23
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: You know, so it's just that that daily grind.
10:27
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
10:27
SPEAKER_06: Awesome.
10:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I totally feel you on that.
10:30
SPEAKER_04: That is exactly how I described my work lately.
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SPEAKER_04: I said, yes to everything.
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SPEAKER_04: You need something, yes, absolutely.
10:36
SPEAKER_04: Because we lost the whole work season of our life.
10:39
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and I think that's probably like my biggest piece of advice to like any dancer.
10:42
SPEAKER_06: I mean, as long as it doesn't like compromise your integrity, say yes to everything because you never know.
10:47
SPEAKER_06: You never know.
10:48
SPEAKER_06: It's how you get yourself out there.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah, and be nice, yeah.
10:51
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
10:52
SPEAKER_05: And be nice, absolutely.
10:55
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and obviously, yes.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: Because you never know you're gonna work.
10:59
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
11:00
SPEAKER_06: Yes, so true.
11:01
SPEAKER_06: So I'm excited to be here.
11:02
SPEAKER_06: So thanks for having me.
11:04
SPEAKER_04: Of course.
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SPEAKER_04: We're so happy to have you both joining us today.
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SPEAKER_04: Let's jump into this music chat.
11:11
SPEAKER_04: Don't go.
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SPEAKER_05: Here we go.
11:14
SPEAKER_05: All right, guys.
11:15
SPEAKER_05: So there's so much to be said about music because, you know, in our world at least, in the competition world, the majority of the time you're using music as a means to put your choreography on stage.
11:27
SPEAKER_05: You know, every now and then you'll see an a cappella piece, every now and then.
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SPEAKER_05: But there's always music.
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SPEAKER_05: It's all it's like half of the battle is finding a song.
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SPEAKER_05: So it matters.
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SPEAKER_05: And I think I'm looking at my list here of trying to find out because Courtney has Courtney has made me stressed now.
11:41
SPEAKER_05: She complimented my choosing of the first question.
11:43
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, I threw I threw that at you last time.
11:45
SPEAKER_05: And I was like, wait, you think I do well with choosing the first questions?
11:48
SPEAKER_04: And now I'm stressed.
11:49
SPEAKER_05: Don't be trying.
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SPEAKER_05: So I think something that I'm curious about because I know what my process is when I'm choosing music for a piece, but I have heard some very interesting processes.
12:00
SPEAKER_05: So this is kind of more geared towards like the teachers out there who may be struggling to find music.
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SPEAKER_05: What is your process when it's when you're choosing music for a piece?
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SPEAKER_05: I start with the song and then I go from there.
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SPEAKER_05: Is that how you guys operate, or do you do something different?
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SPEAKER_06: So especially when it comes to like group routines.
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SPEAKER_06: So solos are kind of like an entirely different beast for me.
12:22
SPEAKER_06: So I always think about the vibe, the vibe I want.
12:25
SPEAKER_06: Because we have like, let's say, the umbrella of because I do jazz and chat both pretty equally.
12:29
SPEAKER_06: And under that jazz umbrella, you've got all those styles.
12:32
SPEAKER_06: So I take it into consideration, okay, like my leggy older ones love like a Fossey type piece.
12:39
SPEAKER_06: And let's say that's the vibe and the style I want to go for.
12:42
SPEAKER_06: And then from there, I go into like music.
12:46
SPEAKER_06: So I start with like what's the feeling that I want, what's like the vision, and then I try to find the music to cater to that, which could be like a backwards process for people, but for me it's always worked because it also narrows down music choices really quickly.
13:01
SPEAKER_06: Right.
13:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
13:02
SPEAKER_06: As opposed to like being confronted with like all 200 songs on my playlist and going, Oh god, what are they gonna do?
13:07
SPEAKER_06: You know?
13:08
SPEAKER_06: Right.
13:08
SPEAKER_06: Like I'm deep in the trenches right now, like I'm still searching for this year's pieces and songs.
13:15
SPEAKER_06: And I mean, it's been a it's been a tough, it's been a tough battle this year, especially for me.
13:19
SPEAKER_06: I can say that.
13:21
SPEAKER_06: So yeah, that's how I do it.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think similarly, it's like the the overall the umbrella of specifics that you have to fit it within, like with style, age, genre, all of that.
13:31
SPEAKER_00: But I usually am music first, and then like once you decide on it's gonna be this this style, then you can narrow it down to those options or this age group or this level, and then find the songs within that, and then use the music to help develop the choreography.
13:46
SPEAKER_00: But that isn't to say, and I I would I don't know this for sure.
13:49
SPEAKER_00: I would guess that would be majority of people would work music and then choreography or most uh choreographers, but that isn't to say there aren't people who go the opposite way.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: And there's definitely been times where there's been like a phrase or someography that's like in my head that I'm like, what does this go?
14:05
SPEAKER_00: Like, what can I pair this with?
14:07
SPEAKER_00: So that's like the that's not the norm with me, but it does happen occasionally where I'm like, okay, what would this fit in?
14:12
SPEAKER_00: What kind of style is this?
14:13
SPEAKER_00: And then you like find the music to go with that.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure there are people out there that can't kind of create their like language, their piece, their dance, and then like maybe mold it to fit whatever music they find, which is super interesting to me, but that's the less common side for me.
14:28
SPEAKER_05: I've read somewhere, you know, on all the forums that we're all a part of, and just you know, you just glance at stuff all the time.
14:33
SPEAKER_05: Somebody once said that they they pick a costume first.
14:37
SPEAKER_05: Yes, I was just about to say that.
14:38
SPEAKER_05: And I was like, how does that even work?
14:41
SPEAKER_05: Like shocking.
14:42
SPEAKER_05: But apparently that's the thing people do.
14:43
SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, okay, cool.
14:47
SPEAKER_04: They're like, oh, what do you think would go really what song do you think would go really good with this?
14:51
SPEAKER_02: I want it to be like this.
14:53
SPEAKER_05: I really want the name, like pick the song that Weissman's chose, you know what I mean?
14:58
SPEAKER_05: Because normally Weissman's like, oh my god, no.
15:01
SPEAKER_05: You know, maybe I'm a star, and that's like might as well.
15:05
unknown: Right.
15:07
SPEAKER_04: It seems like the easy choice, but I didn't know they did that until I finally like opened up a costume book because I'm not sifting through those often.
15:15
SPEAKER_04: Like, and sometimes they get delivered to me, and I randomly look through them, and they all have actual song titles attached to the costumes, and I'm like, what is happening?
15:23
SPEAKER_04: Like, imagine that job, right?
15:26
SPEAKER_04: Right.
15:26
SPEAKER_04: And like I think that might be like why we like actually, I kind of would like to do a poll and find out if people actually use the song with the costume.
15:35
SPEAKER_04: I feel like that could make sense a little bit more for like recital or recreational dance.
15:39
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, or babies or something.
15:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:41
SPEAKER_04: But I'm like, totally.
15:43
SPEAKER_04: I don't know about for a competition.
15:44
SPEAKER_05: Courtney, what do you do when you're, you know, like so you've been tasked with a ton of choreography this season since you were t saying, like, like Caitlin, you're just like saying yes to everything.
15:52
SPEAKER_05: And I know you were choreographing a lot this year.
15:54
SPEAKER_05: Did you start with a song?
15:56
SPEAKER_05: Did you start with a vibe?
15:56
SPEAKER_05: Did you start with who you had and then went from there?
16:00
SPEAKER_04: That's a good question.
16:01
SPEAKER_04: I usually guess choreograph.
16:03
SPEAKER_04: So most of the time, unless I've worked with them before, I don't know these dancers at all.
16:07
SPEAKER_04: So I'm guiding off of like what the teacher's telling me as far.
16:10
SPEAKER_04: Usually the teacher will approach me and say, This is the style that I want.
16:13
SPEAKER_04: So I'm they're already giving me direction as far as like that.
16:16
SPEAKER_04: So it makes my life a little bit easier as far as the music hunt, where I can go kind of like what you said, Caitlin, and like going down that rabbit hole of, okay, we want to go classic jazz as opposed to high-energy jazz, like completely different styles of jazz, and now I can funnel it into just looking for that.
16:32
SPEAKER_04: But as far as like choreography goes, I definitely need a song.
16:37
SPEAKER_04: I have to have a song before I can even start anything.
16:40
SPEAKER_04: I'm so musical with my choreography that like I need to I need to feel the beat.
16:44
SPEAKER_04: I need to, I don't know.
16:45
SPEAKER_04: Like that's just I can't just choreograph a phrase and then find music to match it.
16:49
SPEAKER_04: Or I think a lot of people also have like a vision of a like I want this theme to be this.
16:57
SPEAKER_04: Like, I I'm trying to figure out this theme.
17:00
SPEAKER_04: What song would work with this theme?
17:02
SPEAKER_04: Or I want it to feel like winter, you know, what type of song can I find?
17:07
SPEAKER_04: And like, I guess that makes sense, sort of, but I have to really be inspired by the song.
17:12
SPEAKER_04: And I haven't really, the only time I can think of actually, now that I'm thinking about it, is I once guest choreographed where they said, We need to use this couch.
17:20
SPEAKER_04: How can you use this couch?
17:22
SPEAKER_04: Give me a song where we can use this couch.
17:24
SPEAKER_04: And I was like, Oh gosh, really?
17:26
SPEAKER_04: And it was tough.
17:28
SPEAKER_04: It was tough because it wasn't my vision.
17:30
SPEAKER_04: I was catering to things, but as a guest choreographer, you know, you kind of got to do that.
17:35
SPEAKER_05: Well, somebody clearly bought that couch and was like, You gotta use this couch.
17:38
SPEAKER_05: We gotta get my money's worth for this couch.
17:40
SPEAKER_04: Really?
17:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was beautiful.
17:43
SPEAKER_04: I just was nervous of all the things that we talked about in our prop episode about the couch getting stuck on the floor and ripping up the Marley and like I was like, I don't want to be that person.
17:51
SPEAKER_04: I don't that like you know what I mean.
17:53
SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't want that to be.
17:54
SPEAKER_06: If it was IKEA, it probably broke after the first competition, anyways.
17:57
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
17:58
SPEAKER_06: There you go.
17:58
unknown: Yeah.
18:00
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
18:01
SPEAKER_05: Well, so Courtney, you just mentioned something that I would love to hear, uh, especially from Kaylin about because Caitlin, I know you you do everything, but you do a lot of tap.
18:08
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
18:08
SPEAKER_05: Talking about musicality.
18:10
SPEAKER_05: And what I've noticed, and this is where we can kind of maybe get into some specific songs here, because over the years I have really noticed judging and directing and just sort of being in the studio world.
18:21
SPEAKER_05: Nobody is really choosing like interesting music anymore.
18:26
SPEAKER_05: Everything is very, it's all in 4-4.
18:29
SPEAKER_05: It does A, B, A, B, A, A, B.
18:31
SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, very standard songwriting format is.
18:34
SPEAKER_05: And what is that doing when we're choosing songs that are very basic in what they do themselves?
18:41
SPEAKER_05: How is that helping or not helping our dancers with their musicality?
18:45
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's a tough one.
18:46
SPEAKER_06: I mean, last year I did a piece, I did satellite by Dave, and nice.
18:50
SPEAKER_06: You know, it's it was in six, and it's and it was challenging.
18:53
SPEAKER_06: Um, I mean, for me, because I've never done a competitive piece like that that I can remember in six.
18:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
18:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
18:59
SPEAKER_06: And that was a tough one.
19:01
SPEAKER_06: Yes, it was that piece.
19:02
SPEAKER_06: And I took it all the way to nationals and made.
19:04
SPEAKER_06: I mean, it's always been appreciated for sure, but I can't tell you one judge, like, I really enjoy this piece because it's in six, or like, good challenge, kids.
19:12
SPEAKER_06: You know what I mean?
19:13
SPEAKER_06: So, yeah, I agree with you though, like sitting back and watching on the other side of the judges' table, like there are a lot of times where I'm like, I I could hear your first bit of the phrase and I could like stop you and like like finish it for you with my you know what I mean?
19:28
SPEAKER_06: Because it's so your intuition of what you're probably gonna do to this.
19:31
SPEAKER_06: Right.
19:31
SPEAKER_06: And I hate to use the word predictable because to me it's like be in time, you know, don't rush.
19:37
SPEAKER_06: You know, I can appreciate a very clean tap number, but yes, I agree that there should be, especially in the genre of tap, maybe a little bit more of the pushing the boundaries when it comes to song selection.
19:48
SPEAKER_06: I mean, Dave Brubeck for sure.
19:50
SPEAKER_06: If you're a tap teacher and you don't have Dave Brubeck in your playlists, just take a listen.
19:54
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
19:55
SPEAKER_06: It's hard.
19:56
SPEAKER_06: It's hard.
19:57
SPEAKER_05: Well, I mean, any any classic, you know, jazz musicians, like I want, I want to hear more of that.
20:03
SPEAKER_05: Like, I would rather hear that than I mean, I bring her up all the time, or we brought her up last episode.
20:07
SPEAKER_05: I'm on do it again.
20:08
SPEAKER_05: I don't want to hear you tap dance to Megan Trainer.
20:10
SPEAKER_05: That's boring.
20:11
SPEAKER_06: Oh, hell no.
20:12
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, real boring.
20:14
SPEAKER_06: Um, yeah, this year I'm actually gonna tackle it by the Z the trio, I want to say.
20:20
SPEAKER_06: And it's it's a straight up jazz number.
20:23
SPEAKER_06: And thankfully, the kids that I have that train with me on the weekly, they really appreciate tap dance and they love jazz music.
20:31
SPEAKER_06: Like they get into it.
20:32
SPEAKER_06: And I'm like, guys, imagine if this was a like recording, if there was like a live band behind you, like you have no idea what this what it feels like to have a live musician.
20:40
SPEAKER_06: I'm like, this is as close as you're gonna get on a competition stage.
20:44
SPEAKER_06: So yeah, I'm tackling like a straight jazz piece, boom, this year with like 12 seniors.
20:50
SPEAKER_06: So I'm excited about that.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, I was just when you mentioned like simplicity in some like tap numbers like with like simple music.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's a I've seen a lot of like junior teen solo tap to like more like contemporary country.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's a lot of that.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: It's like these tap solos and they're in jeans and a flannel shirt, like tied in a knot, and it's just like a like simple contemporary country, and that like now I feel like I'm understanding why, because the like musicality is not super difficult, it all is very like structured, and they I mean there's I've seen some really talented dancers perform them, but they you know there's they fall flat a lot of the times because it's not super dynamic.
21:32
SPEAKER_00: And then what is tab dancing without like dynamics?
21:36
SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, like maybe the the one that you first hear and it's like, oh, this would be super simple to choreograph to.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: Like, well, maybe that's your n you know, note to say, Well, then maybe it's not the best choice.
21:46
SPEAKER_04: Right.
21:47
SPEAKER_04: Unless you can make it something else, like with your rhythms and your football.
21:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, exactly.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or like f yeah, fill it with all this this not like you know, not filler stuff, but like make it unique, make it your own, make it something different.
21:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, right.
21:59
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I mean it.
22:00
SPEAKER_06: Kills me when I'm on those like suggestion pages, especially sometimes I'm on the dance mom page because I am a dance mom technically, so it's not like I've girls, yeah, but um when the moms are like looking for a tap song for my you know nine-year-old daughter, and the other dance moms are like, We did like you said, like a Megan Trainer song, and like like my face just falls because I'm like, no, no, no, you know please don't choose, don't please don't, please don't do it, please don't do it.
22:27
SPEAKER_06: Gosh, because I'm like, Do you need a spot?
22:28
SPEAKER_06: I'll give you a Spotify, I'll give you my password to Spotify.
22:32
SPEAKER_04: I just want to help.
22:34
SPEAKER_04: I just want to help.
22:35
SPEAKER_04: Can we talk about that?
22:36
SPEAKER_04: So can we talk about what parents picking songs?
22:41
SPEAKER_04: Can we talk about that?
22:42
SPEAKER_04: Here we go.
22:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, here we go.
22:44
SPEAKER_06: I could be I could be real shady and open up my text messages right now if I uh we can use pseudonyms, Kaylin.
22:51
SPEAKER_05: We can use pseudonyms.
22:52
SPEAKER_06: And I think I think the mom, I think the moms that actually I think the mom I shared one of the podcasts today to a Facebook page that all of our parents belong to, and I guarantee you they're gonna be listening to this one because I'm on it.
23:04
SPEAKER_06: But oh yeah, I've gotten some Bon Jovi.
23:07
SPEAKER_06: What?
23:08
SPEAKER_06: I've gotten some for tap.
23:09
SPEAKER_06: No, you know, these moms are definitely 80s moms, and they they don't mind a little Metallica, they don't mind a little no November rain.
23:17
SPEAKER_04: Oh, oh November rain.
23:20
SPEAKER_04: Oh, some November rain.
23:22
SPEAKER_04: This is something that I newly recently like found out that dance, and no offense to you, dance moms out there, love you all.
23:29
SPEAKER_04: But it's news to me that that studios or teachers are allowing dance moms to pass recommendations for songs to the teachers.
23:39
SPEAKER_04: That's something that I never ever ever grew up doing.
23:43
SPEAKER_04: So everybody's process is different, every studio is different.
23:46
SPEAKER_04: I respect and understand that.
23:48
SPEAKER_04: I think it's and I think in defense, people will say, Well, I want my dancer to dance to something that they love and that they are comfortable dancing to, and that's the they'll do better if they love their song.
23:58
SPEAKER_04: And it's like, yes, but at the same time, do you not trust your teachers to find the appropriate song?
24:03
SPEAKER_04: Like they know them best as a dancer, in my head.
24:06
SPEAKER_04: That's how I approach it.
24:08
SPEAKER_04: So, like, what are y'all's thoughts on dance parents selecting or recommending solo songs for their soloists?
24:15
SPEAKER_04: Do you think they are picking good, like making good decisions?
24:19
SPEAKER_04: Or do you think that this is why we see a lot of overused songs because dance moms are just yes, Caitlyn's saying?
24:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
24:28
SPEAKER_06: Abso freaking Lutley.
24:30
SPEAKER_06: I think so too.
24:31
SPEAKER_06: And I think it makes me sad.
24:32
SPEAKER_06: It's just I appreciate that they're like involved in some way, shape, or form.
24:36
SPEAKER_06: Like, you know, it's okay, it's fine.
24:39
SPEAKER_06: But my dance parents know me well enough to know that I will just be straight up with them and be like, listen, absolutely no.
24:45
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's not gonna happen.
24:46
SPEAKER_06: And they're like, Oh, I just thought, you know, I thought you think it was funny, and I'm like, well, no, I'm gonna go this direction.
24:52
SPEAKER_06: It's hard to explain to a parent one the pro the process of choreographing a routine and listening to music and for tap dance, the tempo, like am I gonna have to speed it up?
25:03
SPEAKER_06: There's just so much, like, how does when I, you know, I don't know, when my feet go to move to it, is it gonna happen?
25:09
SPEAKER_06: Or am I just like, I love the song, I just cannot tap dance to it.
25:12
SPEAKER_06: Like, it's just it's sometimes it's something like that.
25:15
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but I I agree, you know, there's a difference, I think, between like a parent who's like just trying to be helpful and then like the overzealous one who like demands that their kid dance that like that is a no-go and it it doesn't apply at our school whatsoever.
25:28
SPEAKER_06: Right.
25:29
SPEAKER_06: And I I mean I'm not used to that.
25:30
SPEAKER_06: Like, no schools that I've worked with have had a parent like tell me what they want their kid to dance to.
25:34
SPEAKER_06: They're generally like, you're the professional, right?
25:37
SPEAKER_06: You know, you you'll make the right choice, and I can totally respect that too.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: I think yeah, it depends on the school and the dancers and the relationship, but just thinking of it from you know, the standpoint of the choreographer or the teacher, it's I don't know, it reads a little insulting in the sense of like, I mean, this is a horrible analogy, I understand.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: But like you, if you're someone who's being operated on, you wouldn't be like, oh, I want you to use this tool and do it this way, doctor.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: It's like, this is like, I mean, I don't maybe some people don't realize it.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: This is like what we do.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: This is our like we are professionals, this is what we do.
26:10
SPEAKER_00: We are trained to do this, and you know, there's always room for feedback.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: But things I don't think anyone that's or no one should be choosing music or choreography lightly.
26:20
SPEAKER_00: No dance teacher or choreographer should be doing that.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: It should be thoughtful, and there's stuff that goes into it, and you're thinking about the dancer and their strengths and their interests, and all of that should be a factor into it.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: So, with all that said, I don't really think, you know, unless that's the setup of the studio or of the program, that it should be, you know, weighted on by parents because that does like, yes, we should all be able to choreograph to different genres, different kinds of music, but it it does take away a level of um inspiration and yeah, like trust of where you're getting that.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Like if you have a dancer and you've got this music and you it all clicks and it works together, you've got this group and you know the song will be worth like will be great with them.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: That's when like all that magic happens, when it happens organically between that trust with the dancer or the dancers and the teacher, and that's when that really great stuff happens.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: And we can see that on stage as judges.
27:11
SPEAKER_05: And I think the big thing for me when parents are like, well, they have to love it if they're gonna do well.
27:17
SPEAKER_05: Yes, but as a choreographer, I am the creative.
27:21
SPEAKER_05: As the dancer, you are the interpreter.
27:24
SPEAKER_05: I'm the one who has to love it because I'm producing what you're going to then interpret.
27:29
SPEAKER_05: Yes, the interpretive artist who is the dancer that I'm putting this on, yeah, obviously you have to have a, you know, a feeling and an emotion connection to what you're doing.
27:38
SPEAKER_05: But like your job as somebody I'm putting choreography on, whether this is a paid position or not, is to interpret what I've given you.
27:46
SPEAKER_05: So, like if you're handing me a piece of music or a couch and saying, be inspired, and I'm not, you're gonna get.
27:53
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's like, what am I supposed to do here?
27:55
SPEAKER_05: And even when it's something like you said, Caitlin, when there's a song that you, I just I love this song and I want to dance to this, and it's just not happening, that's even worse.
28:06
SPEAKER_05: You know, like that's even worse to me as an artist to just feel like it's not happening, and that's so frustrating.
28:12
SPEAKER_05: So, like it would be even more frustrating and disappointing to be told by a parent or to be, you know, given something that I have no say over, but you're paying me.
28:21
SPEAKER_05: Like, yes, you're paying me, but do you really want to pay me to do something I'm not inspired by?
28:26
SPEAKER_05: Because that's what you're gonna get if you pay me to do a Megan Trainer tap dance.
28:29
SPEAKER_05: Uninspired.
28:31
SPEAKER_05: Sorry.
28:32
SPEAKER_04: Oh, Megan Trainer tap dance.
28:39
SPEAKER_05: Nothing.
28:39
SPEAKER_05: Megan Trainer.
28:40
SPEAKER_05: Got it.
28:40
SPEAKER_05: Not doing it, not doing it.
28:42
SPEAKER_05: We get real here on making the impact, y'all.
28:45
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I have a lot of thoughts on on that, but I think you all kind of hit the nail on the head with it.
28:50
SPEAKER_04: I think it's about trust.
28:52
SPEAKER_04: I think it's about uh letting us do our job.
28:54
SPEAKER_04: And we talked about this on the last episode about like appropriate songs, not just like age appropriate, but also like appropriate for the dancers and the d or the dancer.
29:05
SPEAKER_04: And a parent might love this song, but not realize that they're not ready for that yet.
29:11
SPEAKER_04: Or maybe in four years they'll be ready.
29:14
SPEAKER_04: Or, you know, there's there's actually a lot of things that go into the selection of a song, or I guess I should say there should be a lot of things that go into the selection of a song on the teacher's end or the choreographer's end.
29:28
SPEAKER_04: Where I have actually, as a judge, sat in the chair and watched a soloist that I'm like, this is not the style for them.
29:35
SPEAKER_04: This is this isn't it for them.
29:37
SPEAKER_04: And I'm confused by it like as far as the style of jazz that the teacher gave them.
29:43
SPEAKER_04: Like, no, I see you doing classic, not this crazy high energy, like just the vibe that I got in those three minutes, and you could tell that they were like uncomfortable.
29:51
SPEAKER_04: Or I think maybe the teacher was trying to like push them into a new, you know, style with the solo, but at the same time, I was kind of questioning it as a judge who doesn't know this dancer the whole time.
30:02
SPEAKER_04: So I think it's really like I think song choice is a big deal.
30:06
SPEAKER_04: And I think you really have to know your dancer.
30:08
SPEAKER_04: I look back at my solos when I was growing up.
30:10
SPEAKER_04: My teacher gave me so much variety, but she she really eased me into each thing.
30:14
SPEAKER_04: And when I look back, I was like, gosh, you are a genius.
30:18
SPEAKER_04: Shout out to Miss Shannon Torres out there.
30:20
SPEAKER_04: She was a genius.
30:21
SPEAKER_04: Like how she progressed my solos each year, it made me the dancer who I am today.
30:26
SPEAKER_04: And I think that's important if we're gonna be doing solos, especially.
30:30
SPEAKER_04: And well, and we are.
30:32
SPEAKER_04: And we see those solos, y'all.
30:33
SPEAKER_04: We see about three from the all eight of them.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:37
SPEAKER_04: All eight of them.
30:41
SPEAKER_05: I want to get into something quickly before we start really diving into overused and classic conversation.
30:50
SPEAKER_05: But the issue of spoken word songs, not even issue, just like the the use of spoken word songs.
30:58
SPEAKER_05: First of all, I want to talk about just that in general and like how do we feel about that?
31:02
SPEAKER_05: And does it make sense and how does it work?
31:04
SPEAKER_05: But this past year, when Amanda Gorman made her beautiful spoken word speech at the inauguration of President Biden, there was this huge conundrum in the dance competition world of people wanting to take her words and put it to music and create a piece so that somebody could dance to it.
31:23
SPEAKER_05: And I remember that went down so quickly and heatedly.
31:27
SPEAKER_05: And it was, it was a dumpster fire.
31:30
SPEAKER_05: And I'm so curious.
31:31
SPEAKER_05: I know, Kaylin, you're nodding your head and saying, yeah.
31:33
SPEAKER_05: And I'm curious what your thoughts were, because I I think you were contributing to that conversation a little bit too.
31:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I think that immediately when I now the guy who edited everything, he's a friend of mine, full stop.
31:45
SPEAKER_06: So I know his his side and I know how he has has apologized since.
31:50
SPEAKER_06: But I think like I sat back and I just kind of watched the chaos unfold, and I was like, what dance teacher honestly looked at that that speech, that beautiful, like heartfelt, moving, poignant speech, and thought to themselves, I cannot wait for my seniors to kill this on stage.
32:07
SPEAKER_06: Like for me, it was more like oh, it's it was just tacky, you know, tacky and inconsiderate.
32:14
SPEAKER_06: And it's like, did you even absorb absolve the words?
32:18
SPEAKER_06: Right.
32:18
SPEAKER_06: You know what I mean?
32:19
SPEAKER_06: It's just how it went from like and the amount of people who were like willing to buy it like that day, like give it to us right now.
32:26
SPEAKER_06: Immediately, just desperate for this.
32:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, not to mention that, you know, I don't want to get too much because this is a whole another conversation, but you know, are your students even racially diverse?
32:37
SPEAKER_06: Right to be dancing to this music without fully encompassing what what this piece is about.
32:43
SPEAKER_06: Like I just feel like it went over that cliff really quickly, and thank God it it did have a real conversation towards like I don't even know how much longer after.
32:51
SPEAKER_05: But I think a couple days, like it truly was like so condensed.
32:54
SPEAKER_05: I remembered it was just like huge, and then it was like gone.
32:57
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
32:58
SPEAKER_06: And as someone who grew up in the early 2000s or was teaching, I have been through some spoken word.
33:03
SPEAKER_06: I went through, you know, the 9-11 stuff was like a huge period of time.
33:07
SPEAKER_06: And it was like, oh my gosh, here we go again.
33:10
SPEAKER_06: People are coming out in sequined bras and shorts and trunks, doing quotes.
33:15
SPEAKER_06: Right.
33:16
SPEAKER_06: And I was like, please, I don't want this to turn into that because that I mean, we all know the how the last four years have been that it's gonna be like all manifested into this right now.
33:25
SPEAKER_06: Like, no, no, no, no.
33:27
SPEAKER_06: So that I mean, that was just I was just kind of disgusted by it to be honest.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, yeah, spoken word in general, this is totally like personal preference, but I don't ever, ever need to have the hear one again in a dance competition.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: I don't care for it.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: It I it usually doesn't feel very authentically inspired for me.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: It kind of feels put upon, and I would much rather you do it in silence or use like do a great lyrical combination.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: It maybe it's a song we've used before, but I just don't I don't know, it's not it's not for me.
34:00
SPEAKER_00: I don't feel like they usually connect very well, and I feel, especially with younger dancers, that they're forcing their performance to try to match some level of emotion they think they need to have with usually pretty heavy spoken word pieces.
34:13
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, nobody's ever doing spoken word about like a rainbow.
34:16
SPEAKER_05: Right, yeah.
34:17
SPEAKER_05: If it's like a function, I would I would go with that.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: Like beat poetry, I could be into that.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:22
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so like let's say for example, yeah, but the Tony's last night, that uh opening number, like, okay, like that's how you do.
34:30
SPEAKER_06: That's how you that is the bar we have now set for ourselves.
34:34
SPEAKER_06: But like I remember when the most popular spoken piece was the American beauty thing.
34:40
SPEAKER_06: Oh, wow, yeah.
34:41
SPEAKER_06: Do you remember when the roses were falling on the and I can tell you how many times I watched that as a judge because I was probably in my early 20s when that came out.
34:52
SPEAKER_06: It was right when I started judging.
34:53
SPEAKER_06: And I think it was right around then like the spoken word, like genre came to be in the contemporary category.
35:01
SPEAKER_06: But yeah, like like Colin points out, it can seem very inauthentic.
35:05
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
35:06
SPEAKER_06: And then, you know, then you get a mom who's like, Well, my daughter recorded her voice, you know, and it just meant a lot to her.
35:12
SPEAKER_06: And then you're like, but but we don't know that.
35:14
SPEAKER_04: Right.
35:15
SPEAKER_04: Right.
35:15
SPEAKER_06: We don't know that.
35:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
35:17
SPEAKER_05: And then we have, then you give us the added, and this is where I always like my opinion is similar to Colin's, in that I you're giving me another thing to do.
35:27
SPEAKER_05: You know, yeah, if you're giving me a piece of music I've never heard before, I'm gonna try to cue into some of the words and like there's a lot we have to do as a judge to really interpret and hold all of your information and then regurgitate something back at you that's helpful.
35:39
SPEAKER_05: But with spoken word, somehow it's it's less I'm less able to ingest the spoken word and then give you something out of my own mouth.
35:48
SPEAKER_05: It's hard to do both, you know?
35:50
SPEAKER_05: And with spoken word, I feel very it feels very difficult to judge well because I'm sitting there trying to listen to your, you know, most of the time, very heavy subject matter just speaking at me.
36:02
SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
36:02
SPEAKER_05: There must be something in the brain, you know, the way you absorb information that like it's easier to absorb words in a song versus words just being spoken.
36:10
SPEAKER_05: But it's it's another challenge.
36:12
SPEAKER_05: Like, don't give me another challenge.
36:13
SPEAKER_05: It's already very challenging to sit here for 12 hours and do our job.
36:23
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36:32
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37:14
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37:26
SPEAKER_04: I think the few times I've enjoyed spoken word dances were like the first time I heard that spoken word ever used.
37:34
SPEAKER_04: And then after that, like body love, no offense, but like I could use without it uh ever again at competition.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's my number one, I think, my number one least favorite of our use.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, body love.
37:47
SPEAKER_04: And like powerful message, yes.
37:50
SPEAKER_04: Like powerful and can be, you know, it depending on what dancers are going through, if they need to let this out.
37:56
SPEAKER_04: Like, great, awesome.
37:57
SPEAKER_04: I understand dance is a healing tool, and we need to get out there and express ourselves and leave it out on the floor.
38:03
SPEAKER_04: But I mean, the first time I saw that was a good thing.
38:05
SPEAKER_05: But then you're presenting it to be judged.
38:07
SPEAKER_05: Like, and that's where we always, that's where I always come into this conversation as do all your healing.
38:12
SPEAKER_05: I'm all for healing.
38:13
SPEAKER_05: I've been in therapy for seven years.
38:15
SPEAKER_05: Heal yourself, but don't then put it on stage for me to judge you because then I have to.
38:20
SPEAKER_05: Healing should not be judged.
38:22
SPEAKER_05: I shouldn't have to judge you in your healing of your your body image.
38:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
38:27
SPEAKER_05: It's really difficult.
38:29
SPEAKER_06: I love that.
38:30
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna I'm gonna put that in my pocket.
38:32
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, what you all said.
38:34
SPEAKER_04: It's so true.
38:34
SPEAKER_04: It's so true.
38:35
SPEAKER_04: And I love every time you say it.
38:36
SPEAKER_04: It's it I think that we forget.
38:38
SPEAKER_04: Like at the end of the day, I think a lot of teachers forget this is a competition.
38:42
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, children's children's children's competition.
38:46
SPEAKER_04: Like I understand that we are going through things.
38:50
SPEAKER_04: We all have are living life, we're all experiencing life different, we're going through different things, but it sometimes it can come across as a well, this is a really impactful and powerful song, and it's gonna win because of it.
39:03
SPEAKER_04: And it's it's for the wrong intentions, you know.
39:06
SPEAKER_04: It's yeah, yeah.
39:08
SPEAKER_04: That just feels icky.
39:09
SPEAKER_04: It does, it feels super icky, yeah.
39:11
SPEAKER_04: So I I don't really love a spoken word.
39:14
SPEAKER_04: I could uh, you know, if I see it, great, but something around I mean it's gotta like blow my mind.
39:20
SPEAKER_04: Right.
39:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, gotta blow my mind.
39:21
SPEAKER_05: Another thing, this is a little bit like diverting off of the topic, but spoken word like derives from like extemporaneous speaking, beat poetry, like improvisational speaking, which is only meant to be heard once.
39:36
SPEAKER_05: It's supposed to come out and do its thing and then never be heard from again.
39:40
SPEAKER_05: And that's not what this is now.
39:42
SPEAKER_05: Now you've recorded body love, you've recorded Against My Better Judgment, but it ended up being good.
39:47
SPEAKER_05: Did a duo a couple years ago to a spoken word piece uh called How to Be a Person.
39:52
SPEAKER_05: I know, I know.
39:53
SPEAKER_05: They listen, they convinced me and it did it stretched me as a choreographer because I was very adamant, like I'm not doing this.
40:00
SPEAKER_05: But they had a very good reason for wanting to do it.
40:02
SPEAKER_05: They contributed to the choreography.
40:04
SPEAKER_05: It was like a very nice collaborative process.
40:06
SPEAKER_05: But again, I had to edit the crap out of that song because it was eight minutes long.
40:12
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
40:13
SPEAKER_05: So so then I'm, you know, and we can we can maybe talk about this too, but like then I bastardized that guy's spoken word piece by shoving his eight-minute 10 10 ways to be a person into three minutes.
40:26
SPEAKER_04: Right.
40:26
SPEAKER_05: So I cut out like seven of his ways.
40:29
SPEAKER_05: And is that fair to the artist?
40:31
SPEAKER_05: Like, it's a whole conversation.
40:32
SPEAKER_05: So we could have a whole podcast on that too.
40:35
SPEAKER_05: True.
40:35
SPEAKER_05: To that.
40:36
SPEAKER_05: Cutting music?
40:37
SPEAKER_05: What's that?
40:38
SPEAKER_05: Ugh, people gotta do it better.
40:40
SPEAKER_05: I can't do it well, but I can do it.
40:42
SPEAKER_04: Y'all, we we briefly we briefly touched on this last episode, and we're just gonna let you know again, as you're prepping your music for this season, please cut your music.
40:49
SPEAKER_04: Please do not give me a generic fade out at the end because you didn't feel like cutting the song.
40:54
SPEAKER_04: Please make sure that there is a beginning, middle, and end, and it's a cohesive song that's in the time limit and the restriction of what the competition allows.
41:02
SPEAKER_04: And do not go over because I will be looking at my watch.
41:05
SPEAKER_04: I will know if it's gone over three minutes or whatever the time limit is.
41:09
SPEAKER_00: You can feel it.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: You can feel when it goes over.
41:12
SPEAKER_05: You really can.
41:13
SPEAKER_05: Less is.
41:14
SPEAKER_06: Well, the kid, well, the the child is like panting and they're and their jumps are like two inches off the ground because they are so damn tired.
41:23
SPEAKER_06: Right.
41:24
SPEAKER_06: You know, it's like, don't you want your kid to be like kids?
41:26
SPEAKER_06: You have to remember if you're listening, we right before we write write our scores down, it is like the last 30 seconds of your solo.
41:33
SPEAKER_06: You want it to be the best 30 seconds of your solo, not the weakest.
41:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
41:36
SPEAKER_06: So get leave us wanting more.
41:39
SPEAKER_06: Right.
41:40
SPEAKER_05: Give us that best 30 seconds, you know.
41:42
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, which which might mean your dance is two minutes long.
41:45
SPEAKER_05: Right.
41:45
SPEAKER_06: Which is totally fine.
41:48
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
41:48
SPEAKER_05: I know totally fine.
41:50
SPEAKER_05: It's really doable.
41:51
SPEAKER_04: But I do think that people are just like, I don't know how to cut music and this song's three minutes, so I'm just gonna use it as it is.
41:57
SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, no, no, no, you can twice.
42:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, totally go.
42:02
SPEAKER_05: And I will, I will always I'm gonna chime in on the pro fade side of things.
42:08
SPEAKER_05: If you choreograph your dance as such that you have completely finished it, it it's very clear that the routine is done, but your song just doesn't have a button.
42:18
SPEAKER_05: And it's not buttonable if you wanted to edit it that way.
42:21
SPEAKER_05: It just doesn't work like that way.
42:22
SPEAKER_05: Do your pose, do a bow, dance off, but show me you're done.
42:27
SPEAKER_05: Like, I don't really mind the fade if you finish your dance.
42:30
SPEAKER_05: Totally.
42:30
SPEAKER_05: But do not do a jazz walk off after, and I'm like, wait, where did she go?
42:34
SPEAKER_05: And why and also why is the music still playing?
42:36
SPEAKER_05: It's been 10 seconds and you're not here anymore.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: And then you're done.
42:42
SPEAKER_05: Never come before you forgot.
42:45
SPEAKER_05: Yes, and that has happened before too, especially if it's like a shorter number.
42:49
SPEAKER_05: Yay, thank you for the two-minute dance.
42:51
SPEAKER_05: But if you didn't, if you didn't like round out your story and finish it, I there have been definite times where I'm like, excuse me, was that are you is everything okay?
43:00
SPEAKER_05: Totally.
43:01
SPEAKER_05: Oh, we're done.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
43:02
unknown: Yeah.
43:03
SPEAKER_05: Right.
43:03
SPEAKER_05: I it's it's just weird.
43:05
SPEAKER_05: So helpful tips.
43:06
SPEAKER_05: You can fade, but do like do it right and like finish your dance before you fade the music.
43:10
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and there's plenty of people who know how to do it, so like reach out.
43:14
SPEAKER_06: Right.
43:14
SPEAKER_06: Correct.
43:15
SPEAKER_06: Like if you're having issues, or like there's plenty of people who can like create endings for you.
43:19
SPEAKER_06: Like that the songs have a fade out, but they can take this instrument, this instrument, and create an ending, and you and you just tell them, like, I need this to be a bam on the one.
43:29
SPEAKER_06: And they're like, All right, got it.
43:30
SPEAKER_06: Cause to them, like music people, they're like, Yeah, we like I can do that easily.
43:34
SPEAKER_06: Right.
43:34
SPEAKER_04: You know, yeah, and I'm simple.
43:36
SPEAKER_04: I think that like this goes hand in hand with just like not only hunting for the right song and and you know, finding non overused songs, which we're about to go there, but like it's a it's a total package.
43:49
SPEAKER_04: It all all of this goes hand in hand.
43:52
SPEAKER_04: I can't tell you how long I've sat and hunted for hours on Spotify.
44:00
SPEAKER_04: To find one song that I like.
44:02
SPEAKER_04: One.
44:03
SPEAKER_04: And it's sad that it takes that long.
44:05
SPEAKER_04: I think that we hear a lot of songs over and over again because people don't want to put that same amount of research and effort into the song Hunt.
44:13
SPEAKER_04: But the song Hunt is a real thing and it's hard.
44:16
SPEAKER_04: But when you find the song, it's going to be worth it.
44:18
SPEAKER_04: And I think your judges will appreciate it.
44:20
SPEAKER_04: I think at the end of the day, we have to remember it's a competition.
44:23
SPEAKER_04: Kind of like Leslie said, we are judging you.
44:25
SPEAKER_04: You want to present what the judges want to see.
44:28
SPEAKER_04: If we're sitting here on this podcast about to tell you songs we don't want to hear anymore, I recommend maybe not using that song unless you have like the best vision in the world that's going to blow my mind and I've never seen it done.
44:44
SPEAKER_04: But the hard thing to remember is you never know who's sitting behind that table.
44:48
SPEAKER_04: You never know if they've seen this song 500 times at the 10 other regionals that they judged last season.
44:55
SPEAKER_04: I mean, some people will talk about overuse songs and say, well, I haven't heard it before.
45:01
SPEAKER_04: And it's like, that's true, because maybe the competitions you've attended in your region has never heard the song.
45:07
SPEAKER_04: But it's really popular on YouTube and it's really popular on TikTok.
45:11
SPEAKER_04: And I saw it five times at my last regional alone.
45:15
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
45:16
SPEAKER_04: And as the judges, we we're the ones that are traveling all over this country.
45:21
SPEAKER_04: And to me, it's bizarre that we hear the same songs over and over.
45:26
SPEAKER_04: I swear, it's like, Leslie, you said that there's a Spotify playlist called Yes, overused competition songs.
45:33
SPEAKER_05: I just Googled it because I was like, what are we missing?
45:35
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and they're all there.
45:37
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but there's some on there I'm like, because I like some of them are on my like, oh, I don't mind.
45:41
SPEAKER_06: Right.
45:42
SPEAKER_06: But well, whatever.
45:43
SPEAKER_06: It is whatever.
45:43
SPEAKER_05: And we're totally gonna get to that too, because Courtney and I had this conversation before about like things that I don't mind that she just thinks are so overused and like vice versa.
45:54
SPEAKER_06: It's all preference and you know.
45:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's just yeah, disclaimer, like it's just our opinion, y'all.
45:59
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, just and listen, just because ever like many of us have the same opinion, if you do if you do it well, if you do it differently, if you'd blow us out of the water, like Caitlin said earlier, yeah, then it's fine.
46:12
SPEAKER_05: We'll love it.
46:13
SPEAKER_05: But listen, don't just do the same, like you have to find a different spin.
46:17
SPEAKER_05: In this day and age, like, I mean, ever.
46:19
SPEAKER_05: There are no more new ideas.
46:21
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
46:21
SPEAKER_05: It's always a spin on an existing idea.
46:24
SPEAKER_05: So, like, that is one of the hardest parts, I think, about this job for choreographers in the way that we that we work in our genre of competition dance is it's all been done.
46:35
SPEAKER_04: Right.
46:35
SPEAKER_05: Especially now that everybody has access to YouTube and videos and whatever, you know, I'm old, TikTok.
46:41
SPEAKER_05: Everything has been done.
46:42
SPEAKER_05: So you have got to really think outside the box, and it takes a lot more work than it used to, right, I think, to think outside the box.
46:49
SPEAKER_05: So I don't I don't have any advice about how to do that, but just figure it out.
46:53
SPEAKER_04: I mean, just do your research.
46:55
SPEAKER_04: Like we s like we said even on our social media episode.
46:58
SPEAKER_04: I mean, YouTube is at your fingertips, Instagram is at your fingertips.
47:02
SPEAKER_04: You can watch competition dance all day long if you want.
47:05
SPEAKER_04: Go online and you'll see a lot of winning routines.
47:08
SPEAKER_04: That doesn't mean use that song.
47:10
SPEAKER_04: That means be inspired by it.
47:12
SPEAKER_04: And maybe, oh wow, I've really enjoyed this artist.
47:14
SPEAKER_04: I don't want to use this song.
47:15
SPEAKER_04: But I like this artist.
47:17
SPEAKER_04: What else do they have?
47:18
SPEAKER_04: And then you go down the rabbit hole of their distography and you look and find a new song.
47:22
SPEAKER_04: I mean, to me, that's what confuses me about this whole like overused comp like stereotypical competition dance songs, because I'm like, this artist has a lot of other songs.
47:32
SPEAKER_04: Why is this one song the only song we ever hear from them?
47:37
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
47:38
SPEAKER_04: Like that's what blew.
47:39
SPEAKER_04: I just don't I'm still trying to understand.
47:41
SPEAKER_04: Right.
47:41
SPEAKER_04: Does anybody know why that happens?
47:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, maybe it is just it's it gets circulated and it gets seen.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: And so we maybe it's not even like, oh, I like this artist.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: It's oh that one that seems good.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna use that.
47:52
SPEAKER_00: Like that's that's easy.
47:54
SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily that the thought process might not be that easy, but that's the that's what's on said is oh, that song seems fun.
48:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm gonna do that.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: And if you don't do the research, if you don't do the work, you're not gonna know that it's tired or that it's been around for a long time.
48:08
SPEAKER_05: If you just hear it and use it, you're not gonna know that it's let's get glam.
48:12
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, which guys, I didn't know this.
48:14
SPEAKER_05: We looked it up, and I'm gonna be so interested.
48:17
SPEAKER_05: Yes, reporting reporting live from Making the Impact.
48:20
SPEAKER_05: Let's get glam is by Christina Aguilera.
48:23
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
48:23
SPEAKER_05: I didn't know that.
48:24
SPEAKER_05: It never would have ever occurred to me that that wasn't it from burlesque?
48:29
SPEAKER_05: I thought it was.
48:31
SPEAKER_05: It's from an album called Bionic.
48:34
SPEAKER_05: Oh.
48:35
SPEAKER_05: From 2010, which explains why we've heard it for 10 years.
48:39
SPEAKER_04: Isn't that true though?
48:40
SPEAKER_04: Are we sure about this?
48:41
SPEAKER_05: Now that's what the internet told me.
48:44
SPEAKER_05: I thought it was from burlesque.
48:45
SPEAKER_05: Maybe, I mean, maybe I'm wrong.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: Maybe it was in 2010, wasn't it?
48:49
SPEAKER_05: Like the movie.
48:50
SPEAKER_04: I'm seeing what you Googled, Leslie.
48:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
48:53
SPEAKER_04: Album Bionic 2010.
48:55
SPEAKER_04: Let's get glam.
48:56
SPEAKER_04: Glam.
48:56
SPEAKER_04: Let's get glam.
48:57
SPEAKER_05: I mean, I don't I don't and I Googled the lyrics to make sure it was the same one, and it is.
49:01
SPEAKER_05: Huh.
49:02
SPEAKER_05: But yeah, it's just some of these songs, and that's that's why it blows my mind because I'm like, oh, I guess we can't use Ginny in a bottle anymore.
49:09
SPEAKER_05: So I guess it's let's get glam.
49:12
unknown: Stop it.
49:13
SPEAKER_06: Or candyman.
49:14
SPEAKER_06: Oh god.
49:15
SPEAKER_06: Not candyman.
49:16
SPEAKER_05: If you say candyman three times in a row, oh a 10-year-old comes out and thigh-highs and does a pirouette.
49:26
SPEAKER_06: I will oh stop it, stop it, stop it.
49:30
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
49:31
SPEAKER_06: I mean, if you if we've been friends on Facebook for a while, you probably know how I feel about all that stuff.
49:35
SPEAKER_06: And yes.
49:36
SPEAKER_06: Um, I mean, it's its own category for sure.
49:39
SPEAKER_06: And I will say, like, back back in the day, like I was not very careful about how I would explain how I felt online.
49:47
SPEAKER_06: I was probably if you like saw me online, you'd be like, She's a freaking bully, because I would just I would say what everyone else was thinking.
49:53
SPEAKER_06: I would just I would just let it out.
49:55
SPEAKER_06: And what I would find weird is like people would message me and be like, I totally agree with you.
50:00
SPEAKER_06: I just can't say anything because I judge and da-da-da.
50:03
SPEAKER_06: And I'm like, okay.
50:05
SPEAKER_06: And then I got Wi-Pad certified, Wi-Pad trained and certified, and a whole module of it is music matters and how to, you know, ascribe my feelings in a more productive way, no shaming, no blaming.
50:17
SPEAKER_06: So I I try to be a little bit more thoughtful of how I describe my disgust when I see, you know, children in situations like that.
50:25
SPEAKER_06: It's like it kills me inside to to watch it.
50:28
SPEAKER_06: I will say it's I don't feel like like it's as prevalent as it was like five years ago.
50:33
SPEAKER_06: But so now now when I see it, I'm like, it's even almost like seeing it for the first time.
50:38
SPEAKER_06: Right.
50:39
SPEAKER_06: Because you know, and plus I haven't traveled like the best in a while.
50:43
SPEAKER_06: I did.
50:43
SPEAKER_06: There's some other trends that are popping up like in music that maybe we'll get to on this podcast that I've noticed that aren't like that, you know, controversial.
50:53
SPEAKER_06: But maybe maybe we'll get to that.
50:54
SPEAKER_06: So anyway, back back to the subject.
50:57
SPEAKER_05: Great.
50:58
SPEAKER_06: I wrote it all down.
51:00
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
51:02
SPEAKER_05: Notes on notes.
51:03
SPEAKER_05: Court, I'll let you take the lead here.
51:04
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
51:05
SPEAKER_05: So we wanna we wanna give a little rundown of a few of the songs that we've heard a lot.
51:09
SPEAKER_05: I think I think we do, because we didn't really do that last time.
51:12
SPEAKER_05: And I think people are kind of wanting to hear like what which ones, like what is overused, and and listen, when we say overused, you are you are talking to four people who who, if not this past year, four years past, have traveled this entire country and Canada in a lot of you know situations and heard all of these songs.
51:32
SPEAKER_05: So they are overused.
51:34
SPEAKER_05: So when people say, well, not in my region, but yes, in the general scheme of things, like yes, they are.
51:40
SPEAKER_05: I'm so sorry to break it to you.
51:41
SPEAKER_04: I know.
51:42
SPEAKER_04: It it's tough, y'all.
51:43
SPEAKER_04: But one of the one of the ones, I mean, there's a few like throwbacks.
51:47
SPEAKER_04: Like, we got like cover girl up in here.
51:49
SPEAKER_04: That's I definitely hear cover girl 24-7 or not about angels.
51:53
SPEAKER_04: That's a little bit of a throwback overuse song.
51:56
SPEAKER_04: Haven't heard it as much lately, but still don't really care to hear it anymore.
52:01
SPEAKER_04: We talked about body love, let's get glam.
52:04
SPEAKER_04: We talked about medicine.
52:06
SPEAKER_04: Oh man, my gosh, we hear medicine in the contemporary category, every competition a lot of lunging in hospital gowns.
52:15
SPEAKER_05: Uh oh god, yep.
52:16
SPEAKER_05: To medicine, to build a home.
52:19
SPEAKER_05: I hear that often.
52:20
SPEAKER_04: Emergency.
52:21
SPEAKER_04: That's I feel like that's a throwback one.
52:23
SPEAKER_05: Oh man, I hear emergency so much.
52:25
SPEAKER_05: And the other problem with emergency, aside from being overused, is that nobody bothers to edit that line that happens every single chorus, every single chorus.
52:34
SPEAKER_04: What did it say?
52:35
SPEAKER_04: Something bad?
52:36
SPEAKER_05: Uh yes, it says everybody in this beep.
52:40
SPEAKER_05: And you could just add a cute beep in a BQ.
52:42
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
52:42
SPEAKER_05: But it's another B-word.
52:44
SPEAKER_05: It's not there's not an ad like an edited version of that song.
52:47
SPEAKER_05: We could have plucked.
52:48
SPEAKER_05: I I think there is, but I think people don't.
52:51
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like some dance competitions actually use that song as like filler music if they're like tweaving the stage.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: Like, oh my god, we have emergency again, and we're not in touch.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
53:03
SPEAKER_06: Like that random sound guy who travels with the cop, like just throws on his iPod and it's like music, and they're like, oh my god, someone go tell like Jeff.
53:12
SPEAKER_01: But like we just appropriate lines.
53:15
SPEAKER_04: Right.
53:17
SPEAKER_04: They probably are using the most overused Spotify playlist for the filler music.
53:22
SPEAKER_04: Word.
53:22
SPEAKER_05: Right.
53:23
SPEAKER_05: They they Googled dance competition songs, but that's the one that popped up and they didn't read the whole title.
53:28
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
53:29
SPEAKER_04: I think that we I think a lot of uh judges have seen everybody wants to rule the world.
53:36
SPEAKER_04: And yeah.
53:37
SPEAKER_05: But like not the fun version that you really want to hear.
53:39
SPEAKER_05: Right.
53:40
SPEAKER_05: Like I really want to hear the original, everybody wants to rule the world.
53:43
SPEAKER_05: Right.
53:44
SPEAKER_05: That's all I want to hear, and I will never ever hear it.
53:46
SPEAKER_04: Yep, we hear that one version all the time.
53:49
SPEAKER_04: Or you should see me in a crown.
53:51
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
53:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
53:52
SPEAKER_04: All of these like queen, like evil villain, queen.
53:56
SPEAKER_04: Castle.
53:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
53:57
SPEAKER_04: Castle.
53:58
SPEAKER_04: Oh castle.
53:59
SPEAKER_04: A throne always there's a throne.
54:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
54:02
SPEAKER_04: It's bedazzled.
54:03
SPEAKER_01: They're fighting over it.
54:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
54:05
SPEAKER_04: Right.
54:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
54:06
SPEAKER_04: Who ends with the crown at the end?
54:08
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's the thing.
54:09
SPEAKER_04: Like, even when us just sitting here talking about, like, we're giving you the rundown of we've seen that identical dance a million times.
54:17
SPEAKER_04: If you want to give me, you should see me in a crown, some other variation of not what I just described.
54:23
SPEAKER_04: Let's go.
54:24
SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm off for it.
54:26
SPEAKER_06: Make it like a silly story about like a beauty pageant and make it musical theater and make it like quirky.
54:31
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
54:32
SPEAKER_06: You know what I mean?
54:32
SPEAKER_06: About like winning the crown.
54:34
SPEAKER_06: And then like make us sit back in our chairs and go, that was brilliant.
54:36
SPEAKER_06: Right.
54:37
SPEAKER_06: Oh my god.
54:37
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
54:38
SPEAKER_06: I wish I would have thought of that.
54:39
SPEAKER_04: Like Miss America.
54:40
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
54:40
SPEAKER_04: Totally.
54:41
SPEAKER_06: I love that.
54:42
SPEAKER_06: Miss America gone back.
54:43
SPEAKER_06: Bam.
54:44
SPEAKER_06: Just gave someone a really great idea.
54:45
SPEAKER_06: Done it.
54:47
SPEAKER_05: I don't know what it says about me that when I was thinking of alternate options for you should see me in a crown was the Burger King King.
54:54
SPEAKER_05: And like them fighting.
54:56
SPEAKER_05: Could we?
54:56
SPEAKER_05: Yes, like could we do like a McDonald's Burger King?
54:59
SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
55:00
SPEAKER_05: But that says a lot about what I've been thinking of.
55:02
SPEAKER_06: That is what I'm saying.
55:03
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we just gotta think outside the box.
55:05
SPEAKER_06: We're creatives.
55:06
SPEAKER_06: This is what we do.
55:08
SPEAKER_06: Like, and just take a chance, have fun with it, you know, if you have to do it, you know.
55:13
SPEAKER_06: Right.
55:13
SPEAKER_06: And I think that mom is begging you.
55:15
SPEAKER_05: Right.
55:16
SPEAKER_05: It's like we really want to have the sisters fight over the crown.
55:19
SPEAKER_05: I think another trend, Kaylin, you mentioned trends a minute ago, but something that I've been really noticing in the vein of these are overused songs, but they're overused in this way, of like dark and and minor key versions of songs that used to be pretty.
55:35
SPEAKER_05: Oh.
55:36
SPEAKER_05: So like Sound of Silence was a beautiful, lovely song that was written back in like, I don't know, the late 60s, early 70s.
55:43
SPEAKER_05: And yeah, the subject matter was sad, but like it was a beautifully orchestrated song.
55:47
SPEAKER_05: But somebody has has shifted it into a minor key, and now it sounds menacing and terrible.
55:54
SPEAKER_05: And that's all I hear now, I feel like, is you know, versions of songs that used to be lovely and that are now like really depressing sounding.
56:01
SPEAKER_05: Kind of depress, yeah.
56:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
56:03
SPEAKER_04: Yep, I agree.
56:05
SPEAKER_04: And I agree with that one.
56:06
SPEAKER_04: We hear a lot of like, you know, covers, which I don't I don't always hate a cover.
56:11
SPEAKER_04: I don't always hate a cover.
56:13
SPEAKER_06: I think it's more like the original is better, go with the original.
56:16
SPEAKER_06: Right.
56:16
SPEAKER_04: Correct.
56:17
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
56:18
SPEAKER_04: But I think like then some of the covers become overused because someone's like, oh my god, what a great cover.
56:23
SPEAKER_04: And then they snatch the cover, and then we hear that cover.
56:26
SPEAKER_04: Oh, the like the I Wanna Dance With Somebody, like a practically acoustic cover version, like heard it a million times, or we don't have to take our clothes off to have a good time, which why are we even like dancing to that?
56:39
SPEAKER_04: Thought about that.
56:39
SPEAKER_04: Or there's like one in the shower today.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: Um singing in the rain umbrella.
56:45
SPEAKER_04: Oh yes, the umbrella, the remix with Rihanna.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's like sing in the rain and Rihanna's umbrella.
56:49
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
56:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like there's just a lot of things that you're like, wait, what?
56:53
SPEAKER_04: It I don't know.
56:54
SPEAKER_04: But I don't hate a a cover.
56:57
SPEAKER_04: I'm um, you know, I'll take it.
56:58
SPEAKER_04: It's a different version of a song and everything.
57:02
SPEAKER_04: But let's let's spin it over to like the classics.
57:06
SPEAKER_04: The classics that we see a competition all the time, but we love them.
57:13
SPEAKER_02: And they never get bored.
57:15
SPEAKER_02: And every time you you're just like, that's a classic competition song that you only hear at dance competitions, but it's the best song ever.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: And I I can't get enough of it.
57:24
SPEAKER_04: I want to hear that every single time it's on the stage.
57:26
SPEAKER_04: Like, I I know I was telling Colin this before we started.
57:30
SPEAKER_04: Work me down is like the most stereotypical dance competition song.
57:35
SPEAKER_04: It's a bop, it's like high-energy col like jazz dance.
57:39
SPEAKER_04: It is jazz dreams dance competition.
57:42
SPEAKER_04: It makes me smile so hard when I see it every time.
57:45
SPEAKER_04: It's a throwback, no one uses it anymore.
57:47
SPEAKER_04: But like, I every time someone tells, I'm like, yes, work me down.
57:51
SPEAKER_05: Like, uh well, and again, where in the world would you have even heard work me down ever?
57:56
SPEAKER_05: It's Diane Warren.
57:57
SPEAKER_05: I just looked it up, so I'm like, okay, at least I know who that is.
58:00
SPEAKER_05: But like, where did she get it?
58:03
SPEAKER_06: Does she also do the let's get soaking wet?
58:05
SPEAKER_06: Does she do that one?
58:06
SPEAKER_06: Ooh, I don't know.
58:07
SPEAKER_04: I don't know, but that was also one of my favorite lately.
58:10
SPEAKER_06: If this teacher is out there, I think it was Suzanne who posted it on Facebook, but someone did a brilliant synchronized swimming.
58:18
SPEAKER_06: They were like synchronized swimmers to let's get soaked and wet.
58:21
SPEAKER_06: And it was like brilliant beyond, and it was just so cool, so clever.
58:26
SPEAKER_06: Um a perfect example of taking a song that's been overused and just giving it its own twist.
58:33
SPEAKER_06: And like I I'm still talking about it six months later.
58:36
SPEAKER_05: Right, you know?
58:37
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
58:37
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
58:38
SPEAKER_05: Let's get soaking wet is by somebody named Barry Harris.
58:41
SPEAKER_05: So I don't know who that is, but thanks, Barry.
58:43
SPEAKER_05: We love you.
58:44
SPEAKER_05: Thanks, Barry.
58:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm full in on the like 80s, 90s, like just perfect, like all in pure like jazz.
58:52
SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like I've been at like multiple conversations with Leslie, and cold hearted snake comes on, and we're like Yeah, like here for it.
59:00
SPEAKER_00: Um like that might be a little bit more than a lot of people.
59:01
SPEAKER_00: 100% pure love.
59:03
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
59:03
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
59:04
SPEAKER_00: Pure love.
59:05
SPEAKER_04: Like prints anything.
59:06
SPEAKER_04: I I I don't know.
59:07
SPEAKER_04: I feel like majority of prints I'm I'm usually never mad at seeing.
59:11
SPEAKER_00: I've seen some cool stylized group numbers to uh Madonna's Vogue.
59:15
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not we all know it, we've all heard it, but like it can be really refreshing.
59:20
SPEAKER_04: I think uh Maddie Kurtz will appreciate that.
59:22
SPEAKER_04: Anything from Celine Dion is a go.
59:25
SPEAKER_04: Welcomed in my world.
59:27
SPEAKER_04: It's always welcomed to the competition stage.
59:30
SPEAKER_04: And it has but it should be in the lyrical category, FYI, or hopefully, depending on it.
59:34
SPEAKER_04: You know, like I would want it in the lyrical category if you're dancing to Celine Dion, unless it's you know, unless the movement is extremely contemporary, then that's fine.
59:42
SPEAKER_04: But like I love me a good classic lyrical to Celine Dion, a few Whitney Houstons thrown in there, like those are classics, fossy majority of fossy songs, maybe not cell block tango, very overused, not the most appropriate, you know.
59:57
SPEAKER_05: And you have to chop it up for the most part.
59:59
SPEAKER_05: And it's like if you have to chop a song into oblivion to use it, I don't think it's worth it.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_04: And tons of musical theater songs, I think, that are classic, that are always gonna be around, like Steam Heat, you mentioned Leslie before, and like Orange Colored Sky and Fly Me to the Moon, and like Frank Sinatra.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_04: I just I think they're just feel-good classic jazz songs.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_04: That could be a tap dance, that could be a jazz dance, you know.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_06: And they've been covered by great artists too.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, Paul Inca has an incredible album of jazz covers.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_06: Grace what's her last name?
1:00:34
SPEAKER_06: Vanderfault Grace?
1:00:35
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_06: Yes, her, yeah.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, she has an incredible cover I used for a tap solo, uh, Fly Me to the Moon.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_06: It's beautiful.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_00: Doesn't Sudden Foster have a I'm beginning to see the light.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_00: Isn't she have a cover of that?
1:00:48
SPEAKER_00: That's really good.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_06: Oh, I hope so.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_06: I don't know, but I'm writing that down.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_06: Right?
1:00:52
SPEAKER_04: Thank you for that.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_06: Um okay, so you guys might not agree with me on this one of like an overplayed song, but on the right dancer, it has to be a senior dancer, hitting every nuance is feeling good.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_06: I love feeling good.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_06: I'll take feeling good.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_06: Yes, it's I'll take feeling good, but like super mature, yes, ready to jump on like a cruise line right after she graduates, and like sell it, you know what I mean?
1:01:16
SPEAKER_06: Like the leg, the leog, the heel, the heel, the tan fish net, give it to me all day long, hitting all those nuances.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_06: And I'm like, I I'll take it.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_06: I'll take it.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_04: And that's like a perfect example of like the scenario I was talking about before, where if a dancer is not ready for a particular song, like the description you just said, it must be an advanced dancer who is about to walk onto a cruise ship who has a heel and like there's so many like on the requirement to use that specific song, which we all said, I will take that version of that specific song.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_04: Now, if I'm watching a 12-year-old, that's technique is still not really there yet, they don't have the style down, they don't have the maturity in their movement.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_04: Different song, like it's same song, but completely different outcome.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_04: And for me, I prefer not to see that.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_04: And being a smart teacher, knowing your dancer, you know?
1:02:08
SPEAKER_04: Right, 100%.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_06: Love that.
1:02:10
SPEAKER_06: Kaylin, you were you were talking about some things that you like wanted to get to the oh, so like because music trends, right?
1:02:17
SPEAKER_06: So this is what I've noticed.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_06: And again, disclaimer, okay, when you do it right, you do it right.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_06: But I just noticed this really stran not I don't call it strange, but like instrumental, but not instrumental, like sound effects.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_05: Yes, it's just sound effects for contemporary sound effects.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_06: Yes, now I I'm not gonna point out like people because there are definitely definite leaders in the industry who do it, who almost like kind of created this own little sub-genre who that is their jam.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_06: But I feel like everyone's trying to kind of ride on the coattails of that, right?
1:02:50
SPEAKER_06: And they're like creating beats in their room.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_06: And like I always say, like, yes, anything in unison, if you hit any movement to sound effects, it's gonna look cool.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_06: But like, is there actual technique behind that sometimes?
1:03:02
SPEAKER_06: Like, is that kid gonna, you know?
1:03:04
SPEAKER_06: So it could be like a fail-safe way for somebody to look super advanced and clean if they're just hitting sound effects.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_06: But underneath, is there all that is there technique underneath there?
1:03:14
SPEAKER_06: Like, but I don't know.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_06: Like you pointed out earlier, Leslie, like sometimes it's a little like scary, almost like or like it'll use one word and just repeat it over and over and over.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_06: And I'm going, This kid has to rehearse to this every week, like, oh my gosh, that's gotta get annoying.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but I I feel like that's a that's a new trend that's happening, is like super omnimous, like dark, creepy, robotic.
1:03:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can like see this routine, like they're walking like heel ball toe, but their arms aren't moving.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_00: And they like might be wearing black and silver.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_05: And they're like doing all kinds of different walking kinds and that's yeah, I see it.
1:03:55
SPEAKER_05: I'm with you.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_06: I've seen it again done right, done beautifully, where the kid is actually giving me technique and she can do a spin, do-do-do, and lock that leg up right when the music goes, yeah.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_06: Okay, great.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_06: Yes, but don't try to fool us, judges, by like just creating like a bunch of beats and you know, high like hiding it.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_05: Like you're really good at moving staccato, and that's all you can do.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_05: Right.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_05: Like that's it.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like you have no like lugato.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_05: Right.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_05: Well, and Kaylin, you brought up a really good point that I think is worth mentioning again because we mentioned it in the first iteration of this podcast episode about music with Jen Garafa.
1:04:33
SPEAKER_05: And she had a lot of good things to say about where if you're this is a solo or this is a group piece, and that is what you're listening to week after week after week.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_05: It goes into your psyche.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_05: If you're listening to robotic, depressing, ominous, post-apocalyptic kind of music constantly, that's gonna do something to your psychology and to your mental state if that is drilled into your head every week.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_05: So, you know, not for nothing, I think that's worth mentioning when picking music.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_05: Like, do you really want to listen to this every week for a year?
1:05:05
SPEAKER_06: It's up to you.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_06: And that and that that, Leslie, has been proven scientifically by people who only research music, the connection between music and children's psyche and their brain development.
1:05:16
SPEAKER_06: Like it is an actual thing that people do for a living.
1:05:19
SPEAKER_06: But yes, when you're listening to those depressing songs, or you know, I've I've heard some really scary things, um, songs about suicide, but not like tiptoeing around the subject of suicide, but actually talking about it.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_06: And I'm I just I just don't know what to do.
1:05:33
SPEAKER_06: I don't know what to say.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_06: It's very uncomfortable for a lot of people.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_05: The boundary pushing that I think people are so involved, invested in right now with children, not not only with music or with movement or with costumes or just generally, like that's such a fine line that I think as educators we just really have to tow.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_05: That, like, yes, kids go through a lot of stuff.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_05: We all went through a lot of stuff, and kids these days are going through even more because there's social media and there's Everything is more heightened these days.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_05: But like do we have to be the ones to continue to push a boundary in those ways, even if it is just something like playing a piece of music week after week that's gonna sink into their heads and maybe be more of a downer than an upper?
1:06:15
SPEAKER_05: Just things to consider.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_06: I a hundred percent I can back that.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_06: I can co-sign on that.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, a hundred percent.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_04: I feel like it's important to note, like know your audience when you're picking music as well.
1:06:28
SPEAKER_04: It's a children's dance competition.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_04: A children's dance competition.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_04: Yes, the goal is to please the judges.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_04: But I am sure, and I'm I'm not sure if I'm I'm guessing Colin, but I'm sure, Colin, that you've probably sat as a male judge behind that table and been very uncomfortable many times with music choices, costumes.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, almost, yeah, almost every that might that might be an exaggeration.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_00: But almost every competition, yeah, there's some scenario or some situation or some yeah, number that makes me really uncomfortable.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_00: And then it hinders my judging because I'm like, do I comment on this?
1:07:02
SPEAKER_00: Is that inappropriate, or else I'm just taken completely out of it.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it does it, yeah, it takes you out of it for sure.
1:07:09
SPEAKER_00: And that's something to always keep in mind.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, hopefully there's should be some not always, it's okay if it's an all female identifying panel, but oftentimes there are males behind the table, and you know, there should be regularly, and yeah, keep that in mind.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_04: It's important to keep in mind, and it's an we don't know what the dancers are going through, but you also don't know what your judges are going through or what life experiences they have.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_04: So something could very easily trigger depending on the song, the type of song that you're selecting that you think is gonna be really powerful and impactful, and it might hit the complete wrong way about how it's done.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_06: It's gotta be a marriage and a full like collaboration between costumes and choreography and music choice.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_06: You know, like my mom used to say, like, if you're gonna wear little shorts like that, you better wear a long-sleeve top.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_06: You know, it's like if you're going to choose a m more risque song, let's say you're a senior dancer, then like don't straddle split in the center, right, and give a judge a come hither look that could make them uncomfortable.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_06: Like, don't like slap it on so thick.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_06: There's a way to kind of merry, like marry all of those elements in a tasteful way that still is mature and you know, peaceful.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you're a mature dancer, we can tell right by anything mature in your like your technique and your poise.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_00: Like we can tell without you telling us that you are.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_00: For real.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_00: We don't need you to put it on.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_00: Like, we can tell the moment you come on stage, like, oh, they're like they're ready for auditions.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_06: A jazz walk says a lot.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_04: Oh, it says it all.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_04: I know it's jazz walks anymore.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_04: I love a jazz walk.
1:08:42
SPEAKER_04: I'm being facetious here, but yes, you do.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_02: I've seen them on the internet.
1:08:46
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_05: And a part of the race, this is us telling you you should teach jazz walks.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_04: Teach jazz walks.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_04: Make sure you know your audience.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_04: Choose some fun new songs that we've never heard.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_05: Well, and you know, I think I think a really good uh metric, I think, for judging whether perhaps the song has been overused.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_05: If you heard it on a commercial, so did everyone else.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_05: If you heard it at the airport, so did everyone else.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_05: Like some of these, some of these ways to get music, I think, is there's just like you said, Courtney, you've got to go on the deep dive, you've gotta go into the rabbit hole, you know.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_05: And I do think you said something earlier to Courtney, too, that made me think of a particular artist that I love, but the rest of her discography to me is not danceable, is Duffy.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_05: I really, really liked Duffy's Mercy.
1:09:40
SPEAKER_05: And I'm sure everybody knows what that song is.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:09:42
SPEAKER_05: It was super popular when it came out.
1:09:43
SPEAKER_05: The rest of that album is super boring to me.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_05: That is the song you dance to on that album.
1:09:49
SPEAKER_05: And there's albums like that.
1:09:50
SPEAKER_05: And like if you're of a certain age, you know the struggle of being like, oh, I really want to listen to all these songs on this person's album because maybe they're good, but you bought it for the one song, and lo and behold, the rest of that album's crap.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_05: It does happen.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_05: But that's why we have Spotify now.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
1:10:05
SPEAKER_02: That's what I was gonna say.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_04: Good news is now we have Spotify.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_04: We have access to a complete, uh huge database of endless amounts of songs.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_04: You can go on YouTube, probably not the best to say this, but like get a song off of YouTube, you know.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you can listen to the songs on YouTube at least.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_04: Go to Apple Music, Spotify, create your playlists, like curious playlists.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, I Shazam all the time.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_00: Whenever I'm in the like follow people on Spotify and look at their playlist and then find that artist.
1:10:37
SPEAKER_00: Like, I've gone in so many wormholes on Spotify creating playlists, and it's like you just keep going further and further.
1:10:43
SPEAKER_00: It's this person you follow, and they have a playlist, and there's a song on that playlist by this artist, and they have this album, and you're like an hour and a half later, you found this cool song you never would have had before, and a million people aren't playing it.
1:10:53
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so I have to say this is the I I think it's a funny story, but the best song that I've ever found, I'm not even gonna say it because I don't want to give it away.
1:11:01
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, don't don't let everybody keep it.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_06: Because if you're a tap dancer, if you're a tap dancer and you have juniors, like it is like a dream.
1:11:09
SPEAKER_06: So I found this song watching the real world, which I don't even know the last year the real world was on.
1:11:16
SPEAKER_06: This is how old this song is.
1:11:17
SPEAKER_06: And the cast members had gone to the to the room where they, you know, do the they have things, they do things with each other, right?
1:11:27
SPEAKER_06: So the song, you got it?
1:11:28
SPEAKER_06: So the song that they're playing in the background kind of references that, right?
1:11:33
SPEAKER_06: And it had this super great swing, like jazz feel to it.
1:11:37
SPEAKER_06: And it had to been like the first year Shazam came out because I like whipped out my Shazam During the Real World.
1:11:42
SPEAKER_06: And uh during the real world.
1:11:43
SPEAKER_06: Actually, I'll say it.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_06: It's called Doin't the Boom Boom.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_06: That's the name of the song, but you're not gonna find it.
1:11:48
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
1:11:48
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so but uh what I did because I'm like the song is dope, and and it led me to the artist who has other dope songs, and I'm like, okay, doing the boom boom.
1:11:57
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so what I made was the boom boom is like the new dance crate.
1:12:00
SPEAKER_06: So it became like a dance move that the kids got to do, so they're kind of like flapping their wings around, whatever, you know.
1:12:06
SPEAKER_06: And so doing the boom boom was like doing the jerk, doing the monkey, doing this, and like you know what I mean?
1:12:12
SPEAKER_06: It's just like just think outside the box a little bit, people.
1:12:16
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, watch the real world.
1:12:17
SPEAKER_05: I mean, go back to real world Seattle.
1:12:19
SPEAKER_05: Like, I'm sure 1991 had a lot of things.
1:12:23
SPEAKER_05: Is it a Spotify playlist?
1:12:25
SPEAKER_05: Where is that?
1:12:26
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, wear it at yeah, I was gonna say contemporary people, I feel like have more like luck of the draw sometimes because they have such great uh Netflix series out right now that are like, you know, more like smaller budget and they use like lesser-known artists, and you can just shazam right out of there.
1:12:42
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, shazam away, everybody.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_05: It's I mean, I I do think the days of like using the Grey's Anatomy soundtrack is over because that's like all sleeping at last.
1:12:52
SPEAKER_05: So maybe don't use sleeping at last music anymore.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_05: Wow.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_04: I love a soundtrack dive though.
1:12:57
SPEAKER_04: Like I'll like I'll watch a movie and I'll hear some really good songs on the soundtrack, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I look up the soundtrack on Spotify, and there they are, and all these great songs I've never heard before, and then it leads me to that artist, like you said, Colin, like the exact same rabbit hole.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_04: I think that's we have we need to do more of that.
1:13:13
SPEAKER_04: And I always appreciate when I see a song.
1:13:16
SPEAKER_04: I actually will acknowledge on my critique, I've never heard this song.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_04: This is awesome, great job.
1:13:20
SPEAKER_04: I really am enjoying this song, you know.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_04: And I usually don't mention if I've heard the song a million times.
1:13:27
SPEAKER_04: And I think like the final thing to say in this discussion is like as judges, we're not going to judge you differently because you we've heard this song 500 million times and maybe you didn't realize it was overused or anything like that.
1:13:39
SPEAKER_04: I think it's important to make sure that like we reiterate that, like we're gonna judge it for what it is, but we would prefer for you to push some boundaries and be original and create something new with this song.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_04: If you if you're kind of uncertain if this might be overused, I feel like I heard this a little bit at competition before.
1:13:57
SPEAKER_04: I'm a little nervous to use it.
1:13:58
SPEAKER_04: But think outside the box, create something new, blow us away if we're going in that direction.
1:14:02
SPEAKER_04: Or if not, don't even take that risk and just find a new song.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_04: I know that's gonna take a few hours to dig on Spotify or Apple Music, but it's what it what needs to happen.
1:14:11
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's the investment that we put into this art form as choreographers and as teachers to produce the best uh product for the stage.
1:14:18
SPEAKER_04: So that's my best advice.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_04: Totally hard.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_04: Music is hard, y'all.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_04: Music is hard.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_04: Music hunting is hard, yeah.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_04: But y'all can do it.
1:14:25
unknown: Yay!
1:14:27
SPEAKER_04: So the way we usually end our episodes is to have our guests give us a final leadout with any words of encouragement, final tidbits of advice when it comes to this topic, any final thoughts you'd like to share with all of our listeners out there about music at competition.
1:14:43
SPEAKER_06: I'm just gonna piggyback off of what you commented on is you know, if you are so drawn to a song and let's say it is an overused song, just find a way to make it special, make it your own.
1:14:53
SPEAKER_06: Make sure the kids love it.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_06: And yeah, just don't be afraid to push those boundaries and get creative.
1:14:59
SPEAKER_06: That's what that's what we do.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, take chances.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's uh a collaboration between choreographer and dancer.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_00: Definitely have that conversation if that's um the relationship that you have, but trust that choreographers, you know, this is what we do.
1:15:14
SPEAKER_00: It is a profession.
1:15:15
SPEAKER_00: We are creatives, and that is part of the process of choreographing.
1:15:20
SPEAKER_00: So have trust in those um choreographers.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_00: And then from the other side of this, Courtney sort of mentioned this, but you know, we get frustrated hearing the same songs.
1:15:28
SPEAKER_00: It can be really hard, but in general, it's not going, you're not going to lose points for having an overused song, but you might be able to gain some points by having like a fresh song or a fresh take on something.
1:15:39
SPEAKER_00: So it can help, but it's not going to like numerically hurt.
1:15:46
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