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- Jason: I had to tell you that joke about the invisible man and Wonder Woman. You know, was it? don't know, but my butt holes hurt. ⁓ Bryan: Yeah, no, I know which what are you talking about? Yeah. That's like the joke about the cheap wine makes my ass burn. All you ready? Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Bryan: Welcome back. This is Sense and Senseless. This is the Sense and Senseless Podcast. I am Brian. Yeah, Jason. We wee. If this is your first time joining us, welcome to the family. Just two regular dudes breaking down some shit in a way that everybody can understand. All right, tonight we're just gonna talk about Tyler Robinson's here. Jason: I'm Jason. Jason. Wee wee. Bryan: After this week, we've got some serious questions about barmont rounds, an antique rifle, all this convenient evidence, multiple alleged confessions. this kid really the dumbest assassin in history? Or something else going on? We're breaking down the prosecution's strongest and weakest points, the defense's arguments, and why the crime scene was paved over so damn fast. Please like, share, follow, and subscribe. We appreciate every single one of you. Jason, got anything? Jason: Well, I'm buckled up for the ride and I even got my popcorn down on the floor ready. Bryan: You do you do got your bike on ready. All right, let's talk about the Tyler Robinson hearing. I'm sure everybody's aware, but there was a hearing this week for ⁓ Tyler Robinson's trial. It's ⁓ it was a five day hearing on whether there's enough evidence to bring this to trial. The hearing concluded yesterday and convened until September first. This is when both parties will make their final arguments. So we're gonna go over the good, the bad, and ugly. Now I I didn't watch the whole hearing. I watched pieces of it in the evening. I watch any of it yesterday. but for discussion, I pulled the best and the weak weakest arguments from both sides. So let's start with the prosecution. Strong arguments. ⁓ Growing direct and circumstantial evidence, multiple videos of Robinson on campus and timeline places Robinson at the scenes with the means, a motive, and opportunity. They also had DNA on the gun and screwdriver. That is roommate confession. called all evidence overwhelming. Jason: overwhelming. Bryan: Yeah. The premeditation indicators engraved bullets and planning implied by movements and his surveillance. And the things I found out this week that just ⁓ blow my mind is that we all know he turned himself in the next day, right? But did you know he turned himself in before police publicly identified him? And the things found out this week that just ⁓ blow my fucking mind is that we all know he turned himself in the next day, But did you know he turned himself in before police publicly identified him? Jason: Daddy? Daddy? Bryan: Yeah. So they what they said is his mom recognized him from circulating images. And then she got with the retired sheriff friend who convinced him to turn himself in. Now the FBI had a $100,000 reward for information, and one of TP USA donors, primarily Bill Ackman, boosted the reward by one point one five million. Now, they saying they're not sure if the family was paid out. Yeah. So they what they said is his mom recognized him from circulating images. And then she got with the retired sheriff friend who convinced him to turn himself in. Now the FBI had a $100,000 reward for information, and one of TP USA donors, primarily Bill Ackman, boosted the reward by one point one five million. Now, they saying they're not sure if the family was paid out. But there's rumors that the Father donated the reward money, but it wasn't verified. It was also stated that r yep, you can be a dick. Jason: Can I be a Dick real quick? Did you, did you double confirm that? I don't want somebody coming back at us and said, that's all lies. Google said. Bryan: I don't know. I didn't double confirm it, but I couldn't find anywhere that it there was that the that it didn't happen that he didn't get the money or he did get the money or if there was any money ever went out. But the reward was one point one five million. Jason: that said it didn't happen. Yeah. If there's go fund me and there's rewards, I'm just going to, it's it's 99 % of the time, a lot of money. It's not. Yeah. It's, it's both ways. It's going to, it's going to cause, I mean, would you turn your kid in for 1.5? I mean, would you turn your kid in for 1.5? Bryan: A little bit of problem. A little bit of problem. Which one? Which one? Jason: Sorry, sweetheart. Sorry, son. Won't name your names out, but yeah, I'd probably, what would I do for a Klein date bar? But anyways, Sorry, sweetheart. Sorry, son. Won't name your names out, but yeah, I'd probably, what would I do for a Klein date bar? But anyways, Bryan: Yeah. Yeah. What what'd you do for a What what'd you do for a Klondike Jason: date bar. Bryan: bar? All right, so they also stated that Robinson made statements that were interpreted as confessions, ⁓ but he did not a formal This motherfucker allegedly admitted to murder to his in the text messages and in a fucking written note. Plus he allegedly told his Discord chat group that he was the one that shot Charlie Kirk. They said it was four he had four times that he admitted. in writing or text or discard. Yeah. That he killed Charlie Kirk, is what they're saying. Jason: social media type, yeah. Bryan: Now the ballistics did come back inconclusive. I have a video for this later to look at. they had they relied on the witness testimony from Lance Twiggs, but that could face credibility attacks at trial. So they just showed video of of the furry boyfriend Lance Twiggs. So the prosecution I mean the ⁓ defense couldn't cross examine it. So Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Basically, they just heard what he had to say. Now, when they go to trial, of course the defense can pick them apart should they want to do that, or should he even show up for trial. But ⁓ from what I've heard this week, Twiggs is a weird, weird cat. Now the cat might be exactly right, you know, because he was a f or he probably is still a furry. I can't say he was, he's still alive. And there was some forensic challenges. Now the defense. Defense had some strong arguments with challenging the forensics, aggressive questioning of DNA reliability and the techniques used. And the ballistics were inconclusive, like we just stated. Defense attorney Michael Burt argued the couldn't solidly link Robinson to the crime. they fought Interviews and exhibits raise publicity, trial fairness issues. And they also state there's no smoking gun that points directly to Robinson. They emphasize that individual pieces like DNA have weaknesses requiring the judge to see gaps. Now their weaker arguments there's no theory or strong re ⁓ evidence presented focused on sowing doubt rather than disproving involvement. The roommate confession and videos are hard to fully undermine. And basically, all in all, what I've this week, there's enough evidence to go to trial. There wasn't a whole lot that we saw that we didn't already know. there's a lot of popular podcasters and big news organizations that believe this is a slam dunk case against Robinson. When I see all that, it's like, mean that many people saying it's a slam dunk case. Like I told you earlier, I heard on Fox it was a slam dunk case. There haven't been a case like this since OJ Simpson where there was so much ev evidence stacked against someone, but I guess people don't ⁓ that OJ was acquitted. So there's You know but I think Jason: Yeah. Bryan: I don't know. We'll w let's go we're gonna go a little bit further than this before I go over everything that I think 'cause I don't know It seems like these podcasters and these news organizations are in locked stuff, and that bothers me. You know, they it also bothers me that this kid has to be he has to be the stupidest assassin to you know text his lover, basically stating that he he killed Charlie Kirk. it also bothers me that this kid has to be he has to be the stupidest assassin to you know text his lover, basically stating that he he killed Charlie Kirk. I don't think he ever really stated Charlie Kirk. I think he just says I did it or he insinuates it either way. Or writing a letter that he left under the keyboard or telling his Discord group that he's the one that done it. But then you turn yourself in and you don't plea. Guilty. That don't make any sense to me. Or writing a letter that he left under the keyboard or telling his Discord group that he's the one that done it. But then you turn yourself in and you don't plea. Guilty. That don't make any sense to me. For one. All right. Two is why how how you a kid that they said was so smart. They said this kid was smart. And you know, he made good grades, he was a good kid. And it gets so stupid when you go assassinate somebody in broad daylight, you know, to where you just put all this shit in writing and say we exactly what you did. That's kinda fishy to me. You know? Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: What are your thoughts on? Jason: I'm telling you the picture they showed of the dude climbing the stairs to get to the top of that building, that surveillance video or the dude in the ball cap. That didn't look like that frail dude that he having handcuffs that looked like some dude holding his body upright. Nice and stoic, like almost military. Bryan: You know, they ain't Jason: Dude, this thing ain't passed the sniff test since it happened. Bryan: The no it hasn't. Lance Twiggs from what I heard earlier today in his and I didn't watch his whole interview or his whole video that he put out, but from what I heard today, stated that he can't hundred percent say that in videos that they showed, like what you talking about, that that's Tyler Robinson. So the guy that was fucking the guy ⁓ Tyler Robinson. Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm. Bryan: Can't tell you that's Tyler Robinson in the videos. But yet whenever you see a guy running across the roof, just about all the news agencies say that's Tyler Robinson. Jason: How do you like now? Bryan: ⁓ yeah, I mean a guy that's fucking them can't tell you from him walking up the staircase and you just see a figure running across a roof and you telling me that's Tyler Robinson. How did how can you say that? I mean, I don't understand how you can say that, but how can you say that honestly? You can't. You know, you just can't. Again, I'm not saying the guy wasn't on the roof. I don't fucking know. But I can't say that I can look at that video and say, Yeah, that's him. It looked like a Jason: Mm-hmm. I don't know how they come up with the people that they're going to target to be, take the fall. don't know, but I think that they've got people that they're trying to simulate, like kind of like your body double in a movie, like you're a stunt man. They got to get somebody to do your stunts that look comparative to you, your, your physical physique. But here's this kid in the, in his mug shot, like they're all slumped over and just defeated, but in that stairwell, he's like, he's like a damn, looks like a military person, right? Like somebody that could do that. But then he's like, Bryan: Maybe it was just proud that day. You don't know. You don't know. All right. So Yeah, we're gonna talk a lot about that tonight. So all right. So before we move on, I'm the ⁓ I'm gonna go over this part the ATF ballistic ⁓ testimony. Jason: Whatever dude. He had a bad day the day he had his mug shot. Okay. Bryan: So they found it inconclusive. Jason: Huh. Bryan: All right, but this this is what most of the news sounded like all week. Hold on one second. I seen something I wanna go back to. Okay, this is what I want to see. I'm trying to see at the very tip of this that almost looks like a full metal jacket to me. Jason: That's not a varmint round. They're full of shit, dude. Bryan: No. So looking at this, and the reason I say that, I got a ⁓ some pictures I pulled last night, but the chips on the f on all the pictures were cut off, and I'll show you later. What I was looking for is is there a core in here? So if there's is there a lead core that's inside of there that would make it a soft core, and I can't really zoom in on that. But yeah, that's definitely not a vomit round, but is it I don't know. I wanted to look at that because when we look at some of the ones later, it'll help me understand this a little bit better. Cause I was trying to figure out there's always this we don't know what kind of ⁓ round it was, right? And it's like, well, what else was in the else was in the gun? ⁓ Jason: You're not shooting varmints with a 30 odd six. I'm just, I, nobody uses a 30 odd six to shoot varmints. They, you shoot deer elk big game with the 30 odd six varmints. You're shooting with a two 23, uh, 22, two 50. Bryan: ⁓ no, we we're about to go through that. No, but they and I'm gonna show you this in a little bit, but they make different rounds, right? And I was just making sure that wasn't a full it looks like a full metal jacket based off that picture, but I can't zoom in enough to see the front of it. And later on I'm gonna show you why I I'm interested in that. Okay. Now you would have to be stupid to admit so many times that you killed somebody. I it's almost comical. Jason: Okay. the tip. Okay. Bryan: The way they say that you go back and you listen to him, you know, he four he admitted that it's almost as if it was made up. I I ⁓ Jason: Mm-hmm. He admitted it per a person. And you called that dude a furry, right? So that dude thinks he's a damn animal. Bryan: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it probably don't think it's an animal, it knows it's an animal. Jason: You know what I'm getting at, but that, that he's done. Yeah. Okay. So I'm not taking that. I mean, really we're going to, we're going to take that dude's word when he don't even know what gender he is. And he thinks he's a animal and not even a human. Bryan: Yeah, I mean they I I did call him a furry. That's what they say he says he is. Why why do you think they pushing so hard for this man to be guilty? Jason: They gotta have somebody to damn pin it on so they can get on with it. Bryan: Do you think he's a Patsy? Jason: I think he's like, ⁓ what's his name with the JFK shit. Bryan: So you think Ruby was a Patsy too? Jason: ⁓ yeah. Bryan: I'm not arguing with you. Now Jason: Not Jack Ruby's the one that took out. What's his name? Oswald, leave Lee. Yeah. Oswald. Yeah. No, think that Oswald the hit for that. And for all know, his family may have gotten, maybe Oswald was in some kind of financial distress or gambling. There wasn't enough. wasn't internet and all that Right. You don't know. There was a. Bryan: ⁓ Oswald. Yeah. Jason: Back then you could do about anything and get away with it, right? All you had to do is have the narrative and nobody really could debunk it because there wasn't enough social media and all that stuff to work that. So all we ⁓ Bryan: He was probably programmed to do that. Jason: That was, was funny too, you know, cause Ruby come out of nowhere and killed him. ⁓ look at me. I just killed the guy that killed JFK. And then later on he's, he's dead. Bryan: You know, thinking back and you think of the pictures of Oswald, he always had that blank stare in all the pictures. Was he controlled? Jason: Mm. Yeah, who's to say he wasn't drugged up or something? Bryan: All right, so let's move on with Tyler Robinson. No Jason: But yeah, I mean we can go down the rabbit hole on that all night long. Bryan: Yes, I I I gotta admit, after this week, though, I believe that Tyler Robinson was on campus that day. I mean 50 50, he might have even been on the fucking roof. But I I don't believe that kid took that shot. I I just don't believe he's the one that shot Charlie Kirk. I just don't. ⁓ so I was watching some Megan Kelly this week, and she was going over to Tyler Robinson Charlie, and she stated that she's looking at the evidence laid out in this case. Jason: Mm-mm. Bryan: And she's not drawing lines from assumptions. And I can appreciate that. But this is her in her own words. And this is nothing against Megan Kelly. I think looking at this the way she's doing is is a is good. But I'm bringing it up because the panel she had on this week to me was just comical. And that's what me and you are gonna go through. But here's Megan Kelly. Put up a shut up. I I I don't argue with that approach. I mean, I I don't agree with her because I I I think o other ways, but I mean if you're gonna go off of just what's presented in front of you, concrete at the hearing, I still think that you can go either way. She might all pick different things from what you hear, right? We hear supposedly the things, but we take different things away from it. Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bryan: So however she does that, you know. But that was either Tuesday or Wednesday. And then she had these panelists on, like I was just telling you about, and they were talking about the assassination. And there were just things on there I just don't agree with. And so Jen, she was listening to this also, and she stopped and she says, and my she wanted to know if she was crazy for standing with Candace and not agreeing with with the approach that Megan was taking. And my answer. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: To her was simply no. And and the reason is I I believe Candace, and I believe Candace has shown us a reason to believe her. Now, having said that, I think you have to watch and listen to multiple views use all that information to form your own opinion. You know, should you should always look for for things that challenge the way you think. And this is why I say that. When when I was younger, Jason: Mm. Bryan: I I sort of trusted the mainstream media. I think we all did. You know, we didn't know. You know, it was just news that you grew up with. And then then came 2020 and I got somewhat interested in politics and I started trusting Fox News. Then I stopped trusting Fox News. You know, when Tucker was let go. By January s ⁓ sixth. So Tucker didn't have his things and I I started watching. ⁓ Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Dan Bongino. Dan seemed pretty legit and he ended up going to the FBI and he came back. I don't trust Dan Bongino anymore. But I still trust Tucker and Candace. Now, there may be a time I don't trust them. I don't know. I you just don't. As far as I think you need to get information from as many sources as you can, which I try to do now. I listen to multiple sources now. Even when I disag even when I disagree with them. Jason: You really, you got to really look at somebody that goes against the grain. You have to, why are they doing that? That should peak your interest at first off to start digging. Why, why are they going against the stream? Right? The stream, the currents running this way. These sun bucks are swimming hard this way. Why something's going on. Whether you want to believe it or not, you got to dig into that. You can't just say, ⁓ they're crazy. They're crazy. Bryan: And I don't really right now at this point though, I don't know what to believe anymore. I don't know what's fact or fiction. We say it all the time. You know. like you were saying earlier tonight, what's What's not? This shit's drive people insane. You know, because the amount of people that lie this I was Jen earlier, this is the problem I have the with the podcast, and I don't mind the comments and all that stuff. What I don't like is when people think that we're lying. You know, if I'm telling you something, if I'm speaking something, it's what I either know is true or I deeply believe is true, and I'm telling you the truth. I'm not trying to lie to anyone about anything. But the problem is there's so many people in this world today that's just normal to them just to lie about fucking everything. That they just cannot believe people anymore. And that just frustrates me to no end that we can't trust people anymore. Jason: horrible. Bryan: You know, so when you are a trustful person, people always have doubt on you. And I mean, hopefully one day I can, you know, people understand that we we're here to tell them the truth, you know, as much as we know. And if we're wrong, it's because we were trying to tell you the truth and we were just wrong in the truth that we were telling you. And it's I'll admit it when I'm wrong, you know. But Jason: Well, like I said earlier tonight, I fessed up that I misquoted some stuff with the car, Carmelo Anthony with the go for it. Wasn't go for me. It was another outfit. And then the, the, I know you're like, just, but I want, I don't want to be putting misinformation out there. Right. I should have done a better job and I apologize for that. But dude, do we not all know at least one person in our life that was, that's a type one, diabetic. Bryan: Yeah. Yeah. Jason: They got a heavy case of the liabilities. We know, we all know it on a, on a, on a lower scale. So why do you think that that doesn't run all the way up to the government and everything else? Bryan: ⁓ yeah, and just yeah, some like Jason: You don't believe that one cat that talks about all that bull crap he says, and you're, you even look at him like a dude. you kidding me? Do you expect us to believe that shit? But then when this stuff comes out, you're like, ⁓ I believe that. Why you believe? ⁓ cause they said it. They said it. Bryan: They said it. 'Cause ten ten different people said that. There's only one guy that's arguing. Jason: But Jim Bob down the road, you don't believe a damn thing he says. Cause you know, he's lying because you're around that all the time. People question everything you should question at all. If it don't smell right. If it walks like a duck quacks, like a duck, what, what do they say? Brian? It's not a dog. It's probably a duck and dude, they're sitting there laughing. Like we got these people full. Geez. High five in. Bryan: Probably a fucking duck. And And yeah, and just because they're in a four thousand dollars suit and fucking tie and got nice clean and shaved and pretty hair, that don't mean they're telling you the fucking truth. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: Well, just because they might speak l English than I speak or you speak doesn't they're telling you the truth. Jason: Because his own wife, her sob stories do was worse than any damn daytime soap opera that I've ever seen is worse than porn. That acting was worse than porn. Bryan: ⁓ Well you're not I'm sorry. You're not allowed to criticize her this week during this trial. That that that was a rule that they put in Monday. Yeah, I think I think they're gonna arrest you for saying something like that. Jason: Whatever. Whatever. ⁓ that's just so, yeah, that's just so damn convenient, isn't it? Bryan: Yeah, yeah. You're not allowed. I mean at this time, God forbid you say anything about Erica Kirk. She put herself in that position to put herself out in front of the public. We didn't put her in front of the fucking public. She could have easily stayed behind the fucking curtain and not had any of this shit projected on her. She decided to put herself in front of the fucking public. And when you pick at her or you say something about her, now you're being mean. Fuck her. You know, I'm not trying to be an asshole. But you put yourself in that fucking position. We didn't put you there. Jason: Yes. No, you need to get better at, or yeah, you need to get better people to teach you how to act. Cause that was horrible. mean, if that was on America's got talent or, meant whatever damn judge show or you'd have been, you, you would have been one of the funny clips of ones trying out that don't make it. And you're like, I mean, that was horrible. Bryan: You chose to be in the public. Jason: The dude that white faced her, who's that comedian again? Bryan: shit. Drusky. Jason: I know I caught you. Yeah. Trusky dude, was hilarious. You know why? Why it was so hilarious? Because it looked just like her. Bryan: Yeah. Yeah the the the expressions and everything. Yeah, it was Jason: Yes. Yeah. Just like people that do Trump impressions, like, Shane Gillis and all them, it sounds, you because dude, that's exactly how he is. When Trusky did that, that's exactly how she, ⁓ my husband and I forgive the shooter. ⁓ I him. Bryan: Yeah, and and he did and and and he only did a a a skit of something that she had done in public. Jason: Yes. Which is wide open. Sorry. Bryan: Yeah. All right, ⁓ so we're gonna discuss that that portion of Megan's show when they talk about the ballistics. Before we get into that video, though, I want to share some insight I found while researching this week. So we're both on the same page. The first one explains why the round may have may have created an exit, may have not created an exit womb. Let's see. Yeah, this is a forensic analyst. this is her take on the bullet. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: So that was the bullet they pulled out of. Jason: yeah. She's a, she's an expert. Isn't she? Bryan: She is actually from what I've I've checked. That's just a shorter version, but she's some forensic scientist. She was with I don't know, CSI or she worked it on the show C S I or something. But anyway, she's a doctor person. Jason: Okay, whatever. Bryan: Yeah, I mean that's what all the credentials and all say. I'm not I can't argue against it. I didn't like go stalker or anything, but that's that's her take on it. But she's been telling you that for nine months. All right. Now she's been telling you. Now here's the Jason: He's been telling you, you better believe that shit. done. You can stop this one where she told us what it is. It's good. You got something else we can talk about for 30 minutes. Bryan: I told you I was gonna piss you off because I'm showing you both sides. I'm I'm I'm gonna show all the sides. Jason: Then they need to make it believable. Stop freaking lying to damn hunters and people that handle weapons. Stop lying. Bryan: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. All right. Now I'm gonna show you the other side of this. That gives you a little more insight. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Night. now we're gonna go into the video ⁓ Megan. And I'm gonna have to do a screen share with this. So hold on a second. I'm gonna pull it up on YouTube. It's about 13 minutes long. And we're gonna break it. you should have the the breaks in it. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: No right. All right, so now we got a thirty aught six barmit round. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: That we're gonna use to assassinate someone. Jason: Mm-hmm. They're a varmint dude, so we're gonna take them out with the varmint around Bryan: gonna take the the shot of our life with a varmint round. Now I I don't know if they have a varmint round for thirty all six. I looked and I couldn't find one. F first of all, I don't even know why he he ejected the casing out of the gun. I d I it was a clean shot from what they said he the he shot, he was gone. So if you took a shot and you gone, why'd you eject I don't know. But okay. Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bryan: I can't answer that one. But to be fair, I did look into into the ammo and there is a very popular round. It's a soft car round. Right. And it's ⁓ called a ⁓ core lock that's made. I think it was ⁓ Remington, the same round that was I can't say it was the same round that he used that was shot, but it's the same casing. So Remington casing can be used in with multiple rounds in it, right? Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bryan: And in that same casing you can have a core lock round, which is a fragment is it'll fragment. So could that have been the round that was used? It could be. You know, could a could a neck bone stop? You know, I don't know. But I'm just saying, you know, it this could have used a core lock round. I don't know. What do you think? Jason: This dude sitting there acting like, they got them. They got the bullet. The one thing you can trace is the shell. You can line it up with the way, which is true with forensics because every fire and pin hits different. So they can line that up. If it lines up perfectly, it's like a fingerprint. We understood. understood that one. I believe it, but let's see if it's not his weapon, right? If we really dig down to it, if Somebody planted that then they'd have the bullet that they shot from it too, that they shot at out at the range. Yeah. They'd have the casing. So you drop the casing on the roof. You plant the weapon out there. You got this fucker's DNA from a soda cup or something somewhere or whatever. You followed him around. You picked a poor target and got his shit and put it on, on there. Bryan: Well d what they would have the casing, yeah. Jason: They act like this stuff just can't like this can't be, you can't get around that. It has to have been the person that did it, that put their stuff on there. Nobody could have planted that. That shit don't happen. Come on people. Jeez. Gosh dang. That's not even conspiracy theory, dude. Conspiracy theories would be like the, the, the true ones that be like that's elementary people. Don't come into my damn realm with that conspiracy theory. Bryan: Your comp your conspiracy theories. All right, let's continue to Yeah. Yeah, you're lightweight. Don't come in here. All right, let's continue to piss you off. Jason: Yeah. Okay, keep pissing me off. Bryan: All right. These damn confessions again. Jason: So they paid his gay boyfriend off. Bryan: I I just yeah, I just don't get it. I mean, is he the dumbest assassin alive? I mean this this supposed to be a smart kid and now he just gives all this self incriminating evidence. Jason: He is. He's retarded. Dude, he was so good that he got up on a roof with a high powered rifle to take out somebody like Charlie Kirk. But look at all the screw ups he's doing. Bryan: Spider crawl off the back of it. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Jason: He didn't, he didn't wear gloves. He didn't clean the weapon. left DNA all over it. He left the shell casing. What was that like on home alone where they would, ⁓ the, the, was it? The water band, wet water bandants or something like that, where the dude would turn on the sink of every house and flood the kitchen of every house they broke into. That's what I'm getting at. What it was he doing? Is he leaving his little what? Bryan: You could probably hate me for this, but I never watched Home Alone either. I never watched Home Alone either. Jason: Geez, dude, you got to watch some movies, man. I'm going to have to make a movie list for you. Like give you a damn, uh, homework every week to watch a movie. Anyways, what I'm getting at was he doing, leaving his mark. Is that his assassin mark that he leaves his casing there? A 30 yard, bolt action for people that doesn't know it doesn't automatically eject the casing. Now, if he was up there. Yeah. Bryan: I guess he was I guess he was just pissing on every fucking five hydrant. That's my whole point. What I said earlier. I don't know why would you eject it? I mean if you knew you had a clean shot. You know? Y Yeah, just Jason: It's just habit, you know, cause you're taught when you hunt to get the next round in there. Don't, you know, the only round you worry about someone in the barrel, not the one that left in that, that what they teach us in the military. Bryan: Yeah. Yeah, that's the open shut case, man. Jason: Okay. It is, they just got everything and they can't plant nothing. None of this can be planted. Even the text messaging. Bryan: No, he told you that. He even made sure that he'd let you know that. I mean, he you you said the casing. That man said, Well, you know what? They're gonna say this. Somebody planted a casing. See already he's already calling you out. He already got he's one step ahead of you, Jason. They wouldn't plan any of this stuff. All those text messages are real. Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bryan: Hell, I even learned this week he when he did a Chick fil A on campus prior to the assassination. So this motherfucker when he did a Chick fil A on campus, climbs up on the building, shoots Charlie Kirk, changes, and goes get fucking Dairy Hell, I even learned this week he when he did a Chick fil A on campus prior to the assassination. So this motherfucker when he did a Chick fil A on campus, climbs up on the building, shoots Charlie Kirk, changes, and goes get fucking Dairy Queen. Ha ha ha. Jason: I just killed like the, the, the, the biggest dude. I'm hungry. I need a fucking blizzard. Bryan: Yeah. Yeah, he wasn't even nervous before he went got Chick-fil-A, went sit down or whatever, eat some Chick-fil-A. I don't know, man. All right, let's continue on with pissing you off. Where I need to stop. 520 stuff. Jason: Alright. Bryan: Alright, yep. He's just wrong. He's not smart enough. He don't understand. You're too stupid to understand. Jason: how about the grim reaper? That black sniper, guy that goes by the, ⁓ his nickname is the grim reaper. He he's debunked the crap out of this dude. He straight up said right off the rip that I didn't need to see anything else when they said the rifle and all this. And I seen what happened. There's no way. Bryan: Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, he told me. It was a varmint round, Jason. Jason: You don't think that these damn snipers would know the different rounds that come with these weapons and be like, well, if he used this, it could happen. They shot down any chance. And at old white dude here with his hair all feathered up. What the hell is he? What kind of expert is he? Huh? Bryan: He's a he's an expert. He's a lot smarter than you, Jason. Look at him and look at you. Look at him and look at you. He's a lot smarter than you. He he has he does, man. I'll bet you see, I don't have all my teeth. I bet you he has all his teeth. You know, he has a he has a good smile. He has hair. I'm sure he got at least 10 degrees. They probably all like in fucking philosophy or something, but he has degrees. He's a lot smarter than you. You don't know. Jason: ⁓ what the hell? Yeah. Yeah, he is. Mm-hmm. He's probably got a degree. Yeah. Yeah. You know what that Navy seal would do that Navy seal would set up a ballistic. If he, if they would let him do it, he would go back to the scene and put a ballistic dummy made up a human. know what I'm saying? They could do the gel stuff with the skeleton and it, and all that stuff. Or how about using cadaver? Bryan: I say just do what you just said. Let's do a ballistic test with gel and and bone. Let's take that shot a hundred times. What Jason: Yeah. Put your best marksman's up there and take that shot a hundred times and, and. Bryan: Yeah. A hundred times and and see see what happens a hundred times. Jason: And then we just shut the door and say, okay, who's the expert now, bitch. Bryan: I mean, I think that would be the way to go. If and right now, if you have the ability to do that and you have, you know, the space and the money and you can set it up. And if you have already done it, I mean, fucking do it. I think it'd be great to see something like that. You know? You don't even have to have a hundred marksmen. You can have five guys just alternate alternate shooting, you know, just so you can get different shots. I think it would be awesome. But you're not smart enough. You just don't know. You I think he's a coroner or something, because you'll hear him talk to the other guy later or he's some kind of medical examiner about the the shit that they see. All right, so let's continue on with pissing you off, Jason. No right. Jason: ⁓ and thank God that it was instantly. Bryan: Yeah, thank God. Jason: How about no, not thank God, because if it, if he had a chance, that would have been the best. Yeah. I think this dude's thanking God that it was instantly. So nothing can debunk what you know, there wasn't, it, Charlie didn't survive what was meant to take him out and not by this dude that we're talking about. Thank God. Thank God. He didn't like live. Bryan: You would think but nope. And then this guy right here, I think, I think he is full of other bullshit. And you know what's really fucking so we we got a varmint round, or maybe it's it's old ammunition because they're shooting it through an antique rifle. All right. Now think about this. You making the biggest shot of your life, you know, you assassinating somebody. You putting your trust in an antique rifle and some antique ammunition is what he's suggesting. Jason: Whatever. Bryan: None of that makes sense. I mean again I I don't know what ammunition he had, but I'm not gonna I'm gonna assume that if someone's gonna go take a shot like that, they're gonna go up there with the best equipment they can possibly have. You know, they they don't want any malfunctions. You're not gonna have old ammo in your fucking rifle. You know, it that just don't make any sense. But he's so he's a lot smarter than you. Jason: Mm. Bryan: You're just a fucking heelbilly. So ⁓ shut up, you know, and just listen to him. He's done more autopsies than you'll ever think of. So one of the biggest assassinations in this nation's history. You going up there with an antique rifle and some old fucked up nasty ass ammo. Yeah. You just soon go up there with a slingshot at that point. Jason: I'm a badass. That's what I was going to say. I'd had just slingshot of that dude and been like, who's your daddy? Yeah. Who's your daddy? Bryan: A blowgun. I mean it ain't funny, but it's comical because these people think you're so stupid. Again, I could be completely wrong, but what they're saying does not make sense to me. Maybe because I just think in a different I don't think as deep as them. Maybe I'm not as smart as them. I don't fucking know. But whatever they're saying makes no fucking sense to me. All right, let's get. Go ahead, man. Jason: No. You know, what's funny real quick, the police, the police were told to go look in this woods and they're like, we already looked there and they're like, we'll go look again. The FBI told them to. And when they went back in there to look again, the rifle was there. Well, it wasn't there in the first place. Bryan: Yeah, go look again. Yeah, and then they they had they had bomb dogs and never ran to bomb dogs in the woods. Jason: They got fired. Bryan: No. They didn't they they didn't run the bomb dogs around the fucking campus. Jason: That's what I'm saying. The bomb dogs got fired for inability to detect shit. Yeah, they were bad bomb dogs. Budget was low that year. We got what we could get. Bryan: That's fucking unreal, man. All right. Let's continue on our journey. Okay. Sold ya. Jason: No. And I don't like the fact that she's got two people from the same podcast on here. Cause it sounds like they both agree with one another. How about we get somebody separate. Bryan: Yeah, I I don't Jason: You know, it would have been cool if the Navy seal would have been on there going against mr. Featherback hair. Bryan: Yeah. I mean I I they could have had something a little different, I agree with you, but I don't think that's what they're trying to sell. I think they're trying to sell they they're trying to sell this to us for some reason. And I don't and I don't know why. You know. I don't know. I don't know that either. ⁓ she I mean, I think she's asking the right questions. ⁓ these guys are, you know, they're giving their statements and Jason: But why would Megan be in on it? Bryan: I I don't know. I I don't all of this is weird to me. Again Jason: Yeah. Bryan: Bullets do weird things. Okay, I'm not gonna argue that. Let's set it up. You know, set up the fucking shoot. You know, do it. Let's do a hundred times and let's see what the fuck happens. And you can't make me believe that you can't recreate that shot. You know, you can Jason: out of a hundred shots, something's going to make it look the same. Bryan: Yeah. You would think so. And if this is a one out of a million shot and it had to come from this rifle at this angle with this wind speed and and all this to affect this bullet at a hundred and fifty yards, y you just not gonna make me believe that. No, I just can't. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: So yeah, I just I I don't know, man. This this whole thing right here is like we we ten minutes in of them just trying to convince us that it was definitely the gun and it was definitely the bullet. It couldn't been nothing else. It why do you have to try so hard if it if that's right? You know what I'm getting at? Why do you have to keep pushing this shit so hard at us if what you telling us is the truth? Why do you have to feel like you have to convince us? When you're telling the truth, you don't have to convince anyone. You know it's the truth. You don't have to fucking sit there and try to spin it or anything. So all right, so we're gonna finish this thing up. The last guy's gonna speak. Again. Go and take the biggest shot of your life. And you going up there with the worst fucking ammo you can possibly use. Jason: Yeah, and then where's he getting out? are we bringing the MLK shit up? Because if ⁓ was shot in the face with a 30 odd six, I say it would have came out too. Bryan: Because he Well, that's what I well he they say he was shot. I did look at that. He was shot with a 30 aught six and he didn't have an exit wound. But only other the his his example is all right, you you say Charlie Kirk's a conspiracy theory, right? He got shot with a thirty aught six. Well, Martin Luther King got shot with a thirty or six, but you say he's a conspiracy too. Yeah, because people don't believe that. You know? So go ask somebody from World War II what it does when it shoots somebody. You know, I guess he's talking about M1 Grand, maybe. Okay. Most of them are dead. Well, just about all of them are dead. I mean, give us something we can actually go off of. Jason: You think that each person that shot somebody went and looked to see you how it reacted. Hey, let's go check and see if that bullet came out when we shot that dude. I mean. Bryan: And then he wants to bring up the condition of the ammo again. Well, we don't know what kind of condition. Like, why would you go up there with shitty ammo? I just the I don't know. just don't get it. Hey, I I I don't know if they think we're just that fucking stupid. I I don't care how you spin it. now this was all said before the forensics and shit came out ⁓ on the ATF on the bullets and all. So they they might have changed some of their their tune. I doubt it. But The way they they put it, Tyler Robinson had he still he had to be the dumbest assassin ever if all this shit is true. And there might be more information that comes down and fucking nails him. I don't fucking know. But based off of what we just watched Jason: Mm-hmm. I ain't believing it. Bryan: No, I I still believe they think we all stupid. D this is I found this. This is pretty funny. This is this is basically what we just went over. This this is how it all happened. Jason: Mm-hmm. Peace. Okay, after watching that, I can see that. I can see that happening. My bad. I'm back on the train again. I was off of it, but I'm back on it. Bryan: Yeah, you see that? Yeah, that's all I wanted to say. There you go. What what I was telling you about the Corlock rounds and I mentioned I forgot to mention to you, we well, we talked about it earlier about digging up all the ground and shit around ⁓ where Charlie was shot at. They dug all that ground up like within that weekend. So he was shot on what on Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever he was shot. And then by Saturday they already dug the ten inches of dirt from one day he was shot. And Sunday they had to bring in the emergency pavers. So they had to bring in guys to pave this shit on an immerse. They called the guy in, the guy ⁓ I saw a video of the guy and he's like he didn't know him know why he was being called in on a Sunday. Why he never had an emergency paving job. there was this rush to pave over where Charlie died. Jason: Why? Bryan: Well, we'll we'll pull on those threads a little bit too before we bounce. But in the next video, I wanna wanna examine the cartridge. So this is this should be the bullet picks. Let's see. Yeah, so this is they're going through the bullet picks and they're gonna show the cartridge and then they're gonna show the bullets. And this is kind of what I stopped on that video earlier for because in this one you notice they cut the tips out. Of all the pictures for some reason. And that's what had me kind of puzzled. So I wanna look at this well no, but I wanna look at the tip of it and I'm wanna compare it with the what we're gonna talk about in a little bit with the ⁓ I got some pictures of the core lock round. Jason: That does look like a 223. Bryan: So they got the tips cut off of ⁓ That's what was the question. All right. So that's the pictures. Yeah All right. So now I want to show you where's the other one's at? The Corlock picture. All right, right here. Jason: Now that other one looked like it was, that's got like a chopped in, the points gone. Bryan: Yeah, see, that's the core lock. And see, they got a little bit of gray on the end. That's what I was looking for. But this is the full metal jacket. You see the difference? Now the core lock is designed to spread open. Now, I'm not going to say that it won't go through somebody, but it's not going to go through you like a full metal jacket. You know. And this core lock round is actually a more it it's the most popular round. Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bryan: From what I found for hunting. All right. I mean, it's not just gonna try to pierce through shit like this full metal jacket. But which one you think it looks more like? Looks more like this top one, huh? So if it was a full metal jacket, his neck did not stop that. I I just don't give a shit who you are. It's just you're not gonna make me believe that. Jason: Mm-hmm. the top one. Yeah. Bryan: All right, so now we're gonna look at a demonstration that Valhalla VFT performed nine months ago. We won't watch the whole video, but I'm gonna bring you to the best portions of it. Now, to be fair, I didn't see what type of ammo they were using. I I looked through the video multiple times and I might have missed it, but I just didn't see it. And they could be using full metal jackets. I d I don't know. But I would assume that the force of a thirty out of six round is gonna penetrate. The neck anyway. That's just based off of what I think. Okay. Could I be wrong? ⁓ yeah, I could be wrong. Based off what you're gonna see on here, you damn sure better believe that it could have happened. All right. Now you can stop me at any time while we're doing this one. This only could be about two and a half minutes long. But all right. I gotta go back and share a screen. Jason: Mm-hmm. Nah, just watch the whole thing. Bryan: Let me know when you see it. Jason: ⁓ I see it. Bryan: So are you now convinced that his neck stopped that bullet? Jason: ⁓ it did, Bryan: You know what sad is Jason: I don't know if you knew Charlie dude, he worked out and he had a neck bigger than that femur bone. Bryan: The the the comments mostly supported this demonstration, but there was some that were real adamant about the angle. It was not a true test because the angle of the round Jason: Hmm. Cause they weren't from a high position at an angle and it was more straight on. Bryan: Yep, the angle of entry. Yep. Jason: Okay. Bryan: still haven't convinced you yet that Tyler Robinson's the fucking shooter. Alright. So let's go over Candace. We'll her real quick on The paving over the place Charlie was shot. All right. I don't know if you seen any of that before. Have you seen anything with talking about the petting and the microphone theory and all that shit? Jason: Mm-hmm. I've heard of it. I may have seen some stuff, but I'd like to see again. I'd like to see it again. Bryan: Okay, so she was Huh? Okay, well, I'm gonna ⁓ show you this is next one's about four and a half minutes long. It's ⁓ Candace and she's gonna go through a lot of what she was talking about. And then after that, I found some videos on X that show like it that help us explore the exploding microphone theory. And it's pretty graphic, but it's actually showing how his shirt moves and his neck and everything. And we'll we'll look at that also. So Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: This next video's not gonna be bad, but if you if you're watching and you kinda squeamish, the next couple of gonna be pretty awful. All right, so let's take a listen to Candace. Jason: you Bryan: Whose story sounds better? Jason: first people? Bryan: Unbelievable, huh? Jason: Any idiot knows you don't put a mic inside a shirt. Like I deal with lapel mics at church sometimes, right? When I might people up, you do not put them near something that's going to make sound like, like, like this. You don't, don't want the dude. Hey, yeah, we want to thank y'all for being here today. And you don't want to, you don't want that sound. You don't put it where it's going to rub something. I can't believe he didn't realize they did that. Bryan: Well some people said Well, they done that multiple times. I think they were like building it up to make normal, maybe, because they did it like in but some people say that you might do that whenever ⁓ it's windy outside. I don't believe it. You know, ⁓ I'm I'm with you. I don't I don't think you do that. But she lays out a lot of good stuff ⁓ and it's hard to argue what she's Jason: Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Sorry. Bryan: Now I'm we're gonna play a video of of him being shot or him dying, the assassination. And it's him in slow motion. And I'm gonna play this one from the side and then I'm gonna show you one from the front. All right. Nothing will slow it down. Yeah. What is that? And could that be an explosion under his shirt? Jason: Yeah, I mean, it's right there where that mic is. Now I know, I know a bullet can hit and ricochet up, but if you think about it, 30 odd six travel, we already know that. Will you pull the ballistics on any round that 30 odd six can shoot any grain? It's at a high velocity speed for it to hit like that and go that quickly back up. Look, it starts at the lower part. Bryan: Well, I'm gonna show another angle. Hold on a second. You can keep the can you talking? Jason: No, I'm just saying it there's The more I talk about, the more I get upset about it because they think we're so stupid. It's like having that dude that lies to you about shit that you are, that you know a lot about. Bryan: Fast and furious theory, man, I'm telling you. So I don't know. Jason: I didn't even see an entry wound. Bryan: What Candace is saying with this exploding mic theory is what she thinks is that that microphone was actually supposed to implode into his chest. As he was shot in the chest. But it might have to the side, you know, because the just the way it blew up. It didn't go right. And then Yeah. They couldn't control it. And it's just so odd that the place that built this mic Mc Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's got a mind of its own. Bryan: ⁓ that built the s explosive, supposedly. The one that got money from our government to build a small explosive around the same time that this explosive could have been made. The facility that built it blew up and everybody there died. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Nothing left to it. Such a coincidence, right? Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: man. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I I don't know what killed him. I mean, we know how he died. We know evidently there was a lot of people that probably wanted him dead. I don't know if Tyler Robinson was the one that wanted him dead. But ⁓ here's the last video I'm gonna play before we close out. And this is why are they lying about Charlie Kirk? Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Which sounds more believable now. It's like, wow. This mayor. Jason: I believe every word they say, man. Bryan: Yeah, yeah, ⁓ Jason: They said it, it's got to be true, Brian. Stop debunking the government. Bryan: Well, in closing, I I think this hearing did exactly what they intended it to do. Is it the media it allowed the media a chance to paint a picture of Tyler Robinson that people can villainize, you know, and and I'm not saying he's innocent, but I do believe that they stacked information against him that may be in a gray area, let's just say, you know. I mean, with the amount of alleged evidence that they have on Tyler Robinson, this could have been easily a one day. Jason: Mm. Bryan: hearing easily one day. No, I mean 'cause all they needed this for was to go to trial and it it's gonna go to trial. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: When I when I listen to how one of his Discord friends described Tyler and his furry friend, they stated that Tyler was a good kid, good grades, and very smart. It wasn't until a few years ago when the furry decided to come out as trans that they start to see a change in Tyler. Before this, they were all just friends, and after he came out, Tyler began a romantic relationship with the furry. They said the furry was a he was manic. He would have manic episodes. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: And he was basically crazy. I I'm I'm not a psychologist. But I know crazy can be contagious. You know, just saying. I mean, does this have any influence on Tyler? I don't know, the world may never know. Jason: Mm. Bryan: They did say that in the interview though, I didn't watch the interview, but they did say in the interview that Tyler didn't speak much about Charlie Kirk, if any. That when he did talk about politics, it was mostly Trump. So I there's that. And I'm not trying to convince anybody to believe either way. Fuck, I don't I don't know what to fucking believe anymore. I don't I don't believe that a thirty odd six was shot by Him and they killed him, but I don't know what else to believe. But I've seen enough in the last few near years to know that when a bunch of people in media and now in podcasts are all in lockstep about a narrative, that gives me enough reason to question what they're saying. You know. Not that you always lied to, but when they're so aggressive that something has to be right and there's no other explanation for whatever they're trying to sell you. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: I mean you you need to question their motive. Because there aren't many people that passionate about anything they do unless it comes with something that makes it worthwhile. So closing remarks, Jason? Jason: No, yes. I'm just dumb sheep. I'm a dumb sheep. Bryan: You don't. ⁓ I hope you know, this ⁓ helps some people. If not, sorry for wasting your time. All right. everybody for joining us tonight. Greatly appreciate your time. Until next time, this is the Sense and Senseless Podcast. I'm Brian. He's Jason. He's not Tyler Robinson. Peace. ⁓ Jason: We enjoyed it. I'm Jason.