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Steve Cleary: iBible - Getting The Word To The World · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hello, friends and family and Christ.
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  Thank you so much for tuning in and sharing World View Matters God bless you.
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  I have a few people to thank before we get to our guests today.
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  Steve Cleary with Revelation Media and I Bible.
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  We recently wrapped up our fundraiser that was last week and we want to thank Wendy from
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  Utica, Michigan and Tammy from Green Bay, Wisconsin, also Andrea from Alberta, Canada.
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  So thank you guys, plus Joe from Green Bay, gosh, you guys have been a blessing.
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  person that sends in a donation because we couldn't do this without you.
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  So thank you so much.
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  Great topic today and you're going to love this, especially if you're love the gospel
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  and evangelism.
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  Steve Cleary is the founder and direct executive director of Revelation Media.
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  It's a 501c3 ministry dedicated to providing biblically based content to the next generation
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  and to the global missions community. Revelation Media began operations in early 2016 and
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  it's best known for its release of the animated feature film, The Pilgrims Progress and
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  for I Bible, a first ever 280 episode animated presentation of the entire biblical narrative
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  translated into over 7,500 living languages.
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  Steve's ministry career began with voice of the martyrs back in 1990.
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  We'll talk to him a little bit about that and his transition.
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  He has overseen and co-written book and film projects.
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  Films include The Pilgrims Progress, tortured for Christ, the movie, and a series of short
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  films for the international day of prayer for the persecuted church.
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  So we're just so thankful, Steve, Cleary, we appreciate your time, brother.
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  Good to see you.
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  Welcome to World View Matters.
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  Thanks David.
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  I'm happy to be here.
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  Yeah, good to talk about Revelation Media and I Bible, but before we do that, we have
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  connections with Voice of the Martyrs.
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  I have friends there.
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  I've had Todd Nettleton on the show, Matt Rose is a good friend of mine and you worked
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  there for a number of years.
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  Tell us about your involvement there and just how that went and then your transition now.
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  Yeah, I started with Voice of the Martyrs in 1990.
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  When they relaunched Voice of the Martyrs, I was actually the first employee that the executive
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  director hired.
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  I spent five years on staff and I spent 25 years as a senior consultant and now I still
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  work with them in ministry projects and I still overseas some marketing to them.
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  Actually, I was just there last week and I got to be on Todd Nettleton's radio show.
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  It was a huge honor and a privilege.
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  It's just a great ministry.
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  Yeah.
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  What a blessing.
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  So Todd's been on here many times.
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  Now did you talk about I Bible?
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  I did.
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  Yeah, he asked, you know, Todd, we go back so far and I actually helped him start VOM radio
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  like 10 years ago or longer.
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  And so he was almost like reminiscing, you know, it was like the past and he asked me,
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  he asked me how things started when VOM relaunched as the Voice of the Martyrs because I was
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  the marketing director, the office manager.
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  And then I went on to be a consultant to them.
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  And like I said, I was at their offices, they do an amazing work and they're excited
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  about distributing I Bible in the field and in the field where Christians are persecuted.
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  So it's a great partnership.
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  Well, let's go back just not too many years to 2016 now and talk about, well, how
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  did revelation media begin?
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  Is that when you launched revelation media in 2016?
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  I did.
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  I didn't.
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  I didn't want to start a ministry.
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  I was I was working on, I know that's funny, right?
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  That must have come from God, right?
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  I mean, I definitely thought and there was a couple of reasons for that.
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  I mean, one is I was looking to it, slowing down in life.
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  I had good contacts and good projects I could work on.
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  Two was I had a fairly severe speech impediment and as somebody with a speech impediment, I
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  definitely did not want to be in a position of doing interviews like I am right now.
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  It's not a story.
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  God healed me of that.
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  And so I'd put out a fleece, you know, if God wanted me to start a nonprofit, I was
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  working on the film The Pilgrims Progress.
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  But originally, I had investors to the film and originally the film was just going
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  to be commercial.
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  We released in theaters.
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  We did very well in a fathom of that limited, limited theatrical release.
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  And I actually thought I'd sell the film and, you know, hopefully make a little money
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  and I realized the Christian film industry at the time was very fractured and broken.
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  And I also realized that good Christian films didn't go to the mission field.
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  They tended to stay here and it's like, well, what about the mission field?
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  You know, they got the Jesus film, they got a couple of things here and there.
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  How come they don't have all these Christian films?
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  I think a new Christian film comes out in America every week, you know, how often does one
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  come out available for the mission field and get translated into dozens or even hundreds
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  of languages?
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  So I prayed, put out a fleece and then God really led me to start a nonprofit.
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  I sort of want to lead it and put Pilgrims Progress into the nonprofit and do work for
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  the mission field.
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  And then after a couple of years of trying to hire somebody and failing, my wife says
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  maybe you're supposed to do it.
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  I'm like, honey, I can't.
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  I got a speech impediment.
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  I'll make a fool out of myself.
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  It'll be embarrassing for the host.
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  And I know you're kind of thinking like, I'm not stuttering now.
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  So yeah, what's up with that?
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  Right?
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  But the very first interview I did, I just thank God I was prepared to make a fool out
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  of myself.
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  I say, nobody else do it.
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  So I'll do it.
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  I try to pay people and nobody would take the job, which was just interesting.
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  Yeah, I was kind of interesting and a little bit unbelievable.
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  So I say, I'll do it.
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  And I literally, I was on a cell phone doing a radio call and I said, I'm about to make
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  a fool out of myself.
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  And the moment I started talking, God healed me.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  And my wife says, I haven't shut up since, but so yeah, I mean, I had to do interviews.
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  I had to be a public person.
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  I didn't want to be.
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  I tried for years not to be.
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  And here I am.
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  It's where God has brought me.
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  It's just been one of the trials, one of the many trials in my life.
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  And one of the many times God has proved faithful over and over again.
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  Hmm.
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  So when you're sharing that, I couldn't think of others in the Bible that had either excuses
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  or thought they couldn't do Moses and Gideon and Gideon Gideon say, well, my tribe or
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  my family is the least of all of them.
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  And I mean, they're all thinking, well, I can't do the God.
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  Find someone else.
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  I think I get scared sometimes when somebody wants to be in leadership.
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  I think that's kind of, I think Jesus kind of encouraged us to be careful what you asked
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  for.
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  You know, remember it was John and James came to him and said, we want to sit at your
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  left and right hand.
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  And he said, can you, can you bear the cup, you know?
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  And so would be no, I'm way too fragile, I'm way too human to take on that responsibility.
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  And so I just take it a day to time and it's been a long journey.
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  It's been a challenging journey.
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  But then God gave us this project to my Bible, you know, that I know we're leading into
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  talking to.
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  And it just taught asked me, he said, you know, how did was it, was it scary to start this
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  project?
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  And I said, I don't, I was just willing to be obedient.
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  I don't think I knew what I was getting into.
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  And I don't know if I knew now what I would do because it became such a bigger project
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  that I anticipated, but it also became so much more important than I thought it would
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  be.
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  And so those two things work hand in hand.
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  So you're like, oh my God, this thing is just too big.
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  But then you're like, oh my God, this is just too important.
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  It has to be done, someone has to do it.
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  And I've always said, if you can do it better, I will help them.
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  I mean, I'm not going to know the best way to do this.
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  I'm just claiming it needs to be done.
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  I'm a voice saying, I'm a voice crying in the behind the camera saying, someone's got
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  to do this.
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  Someone's got to create a visual Bible.
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  It's like, come on, it's like the printing press gets invented.
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  And the very first thing printed on it is a Bible, Gutenberg, Gutenberg Bible, 1480s,
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  1450s, this controversy of when it actually happened.
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  But now this phone comes out and it will ask people to the plate.
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  It's like, what, I mean, you version was first on the app.
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  Congratulations.
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  We love them.
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  We're partnering with them.
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  They do an amazing job.
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  Well, it comes to video content.
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  Why are we not first?
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  Why are we not leading the charge to promote visual biblical content when we know the average
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  youth in Africa, Asia, America, Europe is on this phone five to seven hours a day.
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  And so for me, it's more important to lead a charge.
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  I need people to be working on projects like this.
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  And so my legacy is not even I Bible.
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  My legacy is saying, let's wake up to the fact that we're not taking advantage to the
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  greatest technology we've ever had in the history of mankind to fulfill the mission.
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  Yes, I like, no, I like that focus because if you go back to, I don't know, the 70s, 80s,
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  let's just talk about the Christian music industry first.
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  It took a while for the quality and the caliber of everything that was being put out to
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  catch up to the secular or the mainstream.
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  And same thing with movies and you made a very good point.
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  There's a lot of wonderful Christian movies, a lot of them.
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  So if you think about how they are used to share the gospel or are they evangelical and
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  you're going, well, maybe for the seeker in America, but not for global missions, right?
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  Good point.
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  You know, we also found out is that I mean, I, I know you can produce a film that's faith
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  friendly, right?
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  So we hear these types of terms and we say, or we as a term seeker, like you just said,
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  I mean, we understand that or we say we can minister to people that are hurting.
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  We can minister to these people.
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  We have also discovered you can just present the gospel and people want to engage.
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  We put out kind of a very hard nine minute video, I Bible episode called the real story
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  of Jesus.
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  And we only use Bible verses to create the script and that thing is just blowing up around
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  the world.
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  People are watching it and every seven people, but every 11 people who watch it tell us they
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  prayed to accept Christ at the end.
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  And so there's no, there's no soft sound.
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  I mean, it's just reality of the gospel.
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  And so where I think this is a huge place to be kind of seeker friendly and to do crossover
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  faith friendly films, I support that.
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  This also place just to use the gospel and just sent the gospel because, you know, God's
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  words is my word will not return void, which we all know that verse.
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  But the second part of it says it will accomplish what he pleases.
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  It will accomplish his will when we distribute his word.
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  And that's what excites me, I mean, to see God's will accomplish a man, brother.
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  By the way, friends, we're talking with Steve Cleary executive director of revelation
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  media.
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  I want to compliment you because this, this what you said is so important on the I Bible
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  site.
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  It says unlike stories based on the Bible, the I Bible script uses only scripture and contains
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  no added dialogue characters or background stories.
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  And quote, now whatever friends you think about the chosen most of it is obviously not
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  biblical.
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  It is made up.
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  It is here.
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  Let's imagine what kind of conversation the disciples might have had on the road with
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  Jesus or whatever.
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  This is huge.
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  What what they are doing here at revelation media and I Bible Steve Cleary, we've got
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  We're talking with Steve Cleary, Revelation Media and the website revelationmedia.com.
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  And also I Bible, and that's what we want to focus on, Steve.
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  What I said right before we took a pause, there's a lot of things you can imagine or add
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  to the biblical narrative and maybe they would have said this or maybe Jesus would have
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  done it this way, but we don't know unless it's in scripture.
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  Your thoughts on that before we move on?
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  Well, and you know, you you you mentioned the chosen and of course I I buy veggie tails
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  and superbook and algories for my grandkids.
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  So there's a place for that and I would I would never say this not, but it's not in place.
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  So it's a place for it, but it's not in place of the scripture.
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  And for us to take it one step further is we submit our scripts to a group of theologians
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  and eventually to S.I.L., which is a sister of ministry to work with Bible translators.
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  And they actually authenticate our scripts.
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  And so we are approved as an authentic translation of the biblical narrative.
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  And I think I think I think the some power in that I think it's some power and sticking
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  to the word of God.
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  And if you if you read, it's very interesting to do.
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  So go to the New Testament and read what they quoted the Old Testament and you will see
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  they often did an narrative of it.
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  They often I don't want to say they paraphrased it because I don't want to go too far off
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  the meaning.
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  They held it a scripture, but it wasn't scripture memorization.
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  It wasn't.
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  And they actually were usually quoting the the Rossus Septuagint anyway, then quoting the
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  Tanakh because they spoke Greek.
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  But it's interesting that they they kind of gave a narrative of scripture.
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  And so they told they spoke in the story of scripture without leaving the actual Bible
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  verses.
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  And we're taking that same approach.
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  Even Luke said when he wrote the gospel of Luke, he says, I'm putting together a concise
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  narrative of the events of Jesus.
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  And so our goal is to put together a concise narrative of the story of the Bible, the entire
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  biblical narrative.
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  I want to go back to Revelation media, the website.
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  And I'm just so impressed with the quality of the animation.
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  And I mean, look at that.
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  It's just done so well.
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  And I want to give you an opportunity to share about the torch lighters.
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  What is that?
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  So torch lighters is not our project.
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  It's a project we have partnered heavily on and it's brought to you by Vision Video.
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  And it's a heroes of the faith series.
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  So they take true stories of Christian missionaries, Christian martyrs, Christian heroes.
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  They tell their story.
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  It's geared towards children.
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  It's a very high quality 2D animation, a friend of mine produces it.
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  And we definitely distributed, we're going to be distributing it more on our app.
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  We've helped raise money to produce it.
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  We've helped raise raise money for translations.
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  Voice of the martyrs has been very involved in that production as well.
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  And so it's brought to you by Vision Video.
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  And it's it's really one of the best done series highlighting heroes of the faith.
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  And they're very, very accurate stories.
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  And I also want to mention the iBible app.
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  I've got it on my phone.
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  You can go to iBible.
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  Is it iBible.com?
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  Steve?
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  No, it's I'm sorry.
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  It does get confusing.
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  Go to i.bible.
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  i.bible.
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  So just replace calm with Bible.
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  And so it's i.bible.
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  And you will see links.
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  We actually we're going to be updating those links.
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  We are now as of yesterday, we're on the Android app store.
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  The challenge is we haven't had enough people download yet in 24 hours to show up on
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  the on the search results.
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  So search iBible.
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  You don't see us.
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  That will change in about two weeks as more and more people download the app.
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  We've had about 75,000 people download the app.
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  And that's just one way we distribute the material.
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  I do encourage everybody go to the app.
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  Find us on the Apple store easily.
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  It's iBible by Revelation media.
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  You can find us on the app store or just go to i.bible to get the links and use the app.
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  And there's tons of resources in there.
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  Everything is free.
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  You get to watch the episodes there about seven minutes long and then use the resources.
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  If you're a parent, watch it with your kid.
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  Use the discussion questions.
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  If you're a Sunday school teacher, use our Sunday school resources.
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  So this is a whole suite of resources tied to every episode.
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  And none of it is of a denominational background.
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  It is just sticking with the scripture and we'll let the parents and the teachers and
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  the pastors figure out how to work it into the theology.
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  So again, friends, i.bible.
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  So some of the information I got Steve before we were going to do the podcast together was
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  just really interesting.
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  As far as the numbers go, the estimated number of living languages, 7000, it says 3866 written
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  and then the remaining 3000 are oral only.
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  Can you explain that?
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it's, you know, the largest percentage of the population speaks languages we would
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  know of.
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  But if you want to reach all people, which the scripture clearly instructs us to do,
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  if you want to go to every language, half of those languages, almost half, they're not
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  written.
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  They don't, they don't have a dictionary.
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  So you speak that language, but you don't read that language.
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  And so that's kind of foreign to us in America.
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  We think, you know, we speak English, we speak Spanish and we, we read those same languages.
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  But even in some of the Arabic dialects, you may speak Sudanese Arabic, which you're not
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  going to go to a bookstore by a Sudanese Arabic book.
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  And so this concept of what language do you read?
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  Do you read?
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  Are you a literate?
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  Can you read?
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  And does your language even support that?
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  And so we have to have a strategy that has visual and oral content tied to it, a written
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  strategy, which is the most of what we've done today will not fulfill the great commission.
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  Hmm.
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  That's a good point.
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  It's a little sobering to think about.
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  The limitations when it comes to it, because you said actually in this information, the
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  languages that the Jesus Jesus film was available is 2000 languages with the New Testament 1658
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  and languages with the complete Bible, only 736 out of an estimated 7000.
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  And I was also impressed with the 80% of people are considered oral learners.
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  So talk a little bit more about that, Steve, because that's the audience you're trying
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  to reach.
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  And very effectively with I Bible.
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  I mean, all mission groups would agree that 70 to 80% of the world are oral learners.
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  We kind of say oral learning is kind of fundamental.
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  It's not like, hey, these people over here read this, learn this way and these people
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  over here learn this way.
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  From the time we're born, we all learn first by sight.
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  And then we learn by hearing and then we learn to read and we learn into academia and
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  we learn by reading.
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  So we believe in multi sensory learning.
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  If you promote material that is visual first, audio, second, print, third, you're able
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  to reach everybody, you're able to reach everyone in the world.
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  I saw a campaign recently to say, let's give a Bible to every prisoner in America.
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  And then I went to the US Department of Corrections website and I said, how many prisoners are
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  literate?
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  How many of today's prisoners can actually comprehend a Bible.
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  And that figure came out to about 40%.
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  So I said, 40% of prisoners are literate enough to read and comprehend a Bible.
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  Why is our strategy print?
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  Why are we saying, let's have an audio strategy, let's have a video strategy.
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  So I think, I think if we're going to reach the world, it's time to think different.
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  Was it, you know, we've distributed in history six, seven million, six, seven billion
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  Bibles and that's fantastic.
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  Probably 99% of people who can read a Bible have access to one and probably 10% of people
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  who who can't read have access to a Bible they can engage with.
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  So the need is for visual and audio, but it doesn't represent masses of people.
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  It represents masses of languages.
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  And so is our goal to reach a number of people or is our goal to reach everybody?
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  We've done content for 500 people.
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  We're doing content in a language only 500 people in the world speak.
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  We get just as excited about that is producing Portuguese and reaching tens of millions.
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  So I read somewhere, I don't remember where it was.
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  I think it was on the website where you're continuing to develop a lot of the I Bible.
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  Explain to people how they can get involved and maybe support you guys.
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  And I know this is going to be a long term effort, correct?
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  It is.
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  We've released to date 42 episodes and you mentioned 280.
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  That's our estimate.
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  I actually think it's going to go to 300 episodes.
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  We won't know until we script the entire biblical narrative.
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  So we released 42 episodes that contains all of Genesis from creation to the death of Joseph.
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  And now we're doing a harmonized gospels of the life of Christ.
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  We estimated to be about 40 episodes.
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  We're making our episodes slightly shorter from feedback.
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  We were kind of seven to nine minutes and now we're moving to five to seven minutes.
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  Is a little bit better bite-sized chunks to do devotions and teachings.
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  And so we estimate about nine years to complete it all, God willing, the entire Bible.
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  But the exciting news, David, is that we are doing translations and distribution all along the way.
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  Currently, the current I Bible episodes are watched 500,000 times a month right now.
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  And we're just getting started.
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  And so we released in five languages.
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  We have two more in production.
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  We have two more that are partially funded, Mandarin and Cantonese.
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  We, I'm doing a pastors conference in Madagascar where we believe the pastors will commit to every language on the island.
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  And the churches will actually partner with us in the translation.
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  We're setting up a mobile recording studio in Uganda where we will go village to village doing translations and recordings, which is kind of a Jesus film model, you know, there and we work with them.
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  We always came wisdom and ideas from them.
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  We got to use the technology to reach to reach the lost.
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  I mean, do we really need another 5,000 English Bibles before we reach people who have never had a Bible?
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  And if you want to reach people who have never had a Bible, you're going to have to be visual or audio.
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  That's that, just to give it.
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  That's not an opinion.
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  It's a fact.
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  Yeah, visual or audio.
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  Excellent point.
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  I'm really so excited to see more people find out about this.
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  I just want to make sure we're a nonprofit here.
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  You're a nonprofit.
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  People can support I dot Bible and the bottom of the page.
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  You can make a contribution and, you know, you can donate guys if that God puts it on your heart.
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  But please go check out the website, both I dot Bible and Revelation media dot com.
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  So Steve, in the last two minutes or so here, just your closing thoughts on where you're at and just the work ahead and just anything you'd like to share about I Bible.
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  You know, we definitely see this as a huge opportunity.
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  And on the other side, it's a huge undertaking.
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  And one of the things that excites me the most is every time we meet with somebody, they say, I can use this in my church.
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  I can use this in my ministry.
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  I can use this in my university.
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  I can use this in my Christian school.
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  And so I Bible is for everyone.
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  To me, if like I want to just gift it back to the church, to the ministries to everybody, we, we do not charge for missionaries and pastors and teachers and parents to use the app.
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  It's a big need here.
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  And so the first thing we ask for is for prayer and please keep us in prayer.
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  We often feel spiritual attacks working on the word of God.
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  And then to look at the content and look at the resources and use it for children.
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  And I'm saying even teenage college, my son is 32.
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  And when he watches episodes, he always asks me questions and gives me the ability to engage my son in the scripture who I'm telling you is not going to read the Bible.
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  And so at his age, everything he consumes is on his phone.
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  And so I'm able to reach him where he's at.
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  And then third, pray about helping us.
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  You know, like you said, we're on profit.
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  We're 100% supported by donations.
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  Go to idol Bible, consider making a donation.
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  Get on our email list and we'll keep you up to date every day on what we're doing.
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  And I just love one of the tag lines there.
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  Where was it?
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  A visual Bible for a visual and connected world.
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  And by the way, guys, they're on Facebook, Facebook.com slash the I Bible.
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  And they've got a YouTube page as well.
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  And that's Revelation Media.
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  You've got a YouTube page.
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  And Steve, we just appreciate your time.
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  All that you're doing is how exciting.
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  And as you said, it's daunting.
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  We know there's spiritual warfare and attacks going on.
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  So friends, pray for Steve Cleary and Revelation Media, I Bible.
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  Lord willing, we'll catch up with you again.
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  Steve, God bless you.
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  Thanks for your time.
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  Thanks David.
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  I look forward to it.
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  All right.
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  Sounds good.
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  So friends, so many great projects out there, but this is such a unique tool that can be
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  used to reach people that either can't read or don't have the Bible in their language.
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  So I, dot, Bible, thanks for tuning in for sharing the podcast.
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  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.