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Star Wars History · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the note party.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: The Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
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  Speaker 1: are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hello, and welcome to Aggressive Negotiations that wonderful little
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  Speaker 2: slice of you know, Star Wars Nirvana, and I am
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  Speaker 2: just one of your hosts coming at you from our
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  Speaker 2: first episode. Yeah, as you're listening to in the future,
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  Speaker 2: this is actually recorded in twenty twenty six. This is
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  Speaker 2: the first episode for that second episode for that because
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  Speaker 2: we are the second.
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  Speaker 3: Episode released, first one recorded exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to say anyway, and I'm so
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  Speaker 2: glad that with me as he is every single episode
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  Speaker 2: is my just wonderful compatriot, downright good friend, and of
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  Speaker 2: course the man who keeps me on the straight and
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  Speaker 2: narrow none other than Jedi Master John Mills.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm definitely something, but I don't know if I'm
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  Speaker 4: all of those things. But I'm some of those things
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  Speaker 4: or all of I don't know, you know, you decide.
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  Speaker 4: All I know is that I'm not even sure what
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  Speaker 4: year it is anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And you know.
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  Speaker 4: We'll start from there. But you know what I would
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  Speaker 4: love in this new year, if it is a new year.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still verifying that fact. I keep writing twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 4: not sure if we're actually in twenty twenty six until
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  Speaker 4: I remember to write it. But I would love to
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  Speaker 4: kick off this new year. If somebody could be so
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  Speaker 4: kind of go out and give us a star rating
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  Speaker 4: and review, we'd love it.
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  Speaker 3: It would help us.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be so great, John, like literally, it would be
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  Speaker 2: so great.
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  Speaker 3: It would make us sea.
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  Speaker 2: We ever read this one, but I'm gonna read it
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  Speaker 2: because it's from five months ago, and maybe we did.
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  Speaker 2: But hey, they said tons to mole over so many
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  Speaker 2: great topics discussed. The hosts and their guests really get
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  Speaker 2: into talking about all things star Wars of the recent
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  Speaker 2: and or episode. Definitely not vague and unconvincing. Keep up
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  Speaker 2: the nerdiness. Thanks, and that's from hey Day, Hayde so Man,
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  Speaker 2: thanks so much for that five star review. That means
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  Speaker 2: a lot to us and it definitely helps people find
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  Speaker 2: the show. So man, follow their lead and give us
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  Speaker 2: a start rating review.
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  Speaker 4: And you know what, we promise that in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: six things will probably get spicy again because we did
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  Speaker 4: the tenth anniversary of The Forest Awakens, and twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: six will be the tenth anniversary of uh, what's it
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  Speaker 4: gonna be?
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  Speaker 3: The tenth anniversary of matt Rogue one? That's right?
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  Speaker 2: Do we need to talk about that again?
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  Speaker 1: Though?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I know it could be fun
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  Speaker 2: the review. We've had some serious aggressive negotiations over that one.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, maybe we will revisit it.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows, you know what we are going to revisit,
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  Speaker 2: John that we should tell everybody at some point here.
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  Speaker 2: We both have copies of the Yes, Revenge of the
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  Speaker 2: Sith novelization that came out last year, and it's been
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  Speaker 2: sitting on our desks, respectively, and we're actually going to
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  Speaker 2: be covering that at some point this year, which I
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  Speaker 2: can't wait to dive back into that book. So that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it will be fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: I think it still stands as I mean, I think
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  Speaker 4: it's hands down the greatest movie novelization I've ever read
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  Speaker 4: in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I concur and we're giving it away. We're giving it away.
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  Speaker 3: I've read a lot of them.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait to get back in and really dig
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  Speaker 4: into the footnotes. I've peaked here and there, but I
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  Speaker 4: haven't just sat down and gone through it, and I
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  Speaker 4: very much look forward to that.
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  Speaker 3: We will definitely be getting to that one well.
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  Speaker 2: if you would interact with us was there. And the
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  Speaker 2: other thing you could do for us is just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: tell your friends. If you're a Star Wars fan and
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  Speaker 2: you have other Star Wars fan friends, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: those guys a listen. So we'd really appreciate that. But
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  Speaker 2: so John, one of the things that we were kind
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  Speaker 2: of talking about behind the scenes here was this idea
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  Speaker 2: of and it came up just because it was a
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  Speaker 2: conversation that we were having about something else, but this
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  Speaker 2: idea of like history, and you know, we just talked
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  Speaker 2: about handwriting in Star Wars, and this got us thinking
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  Speaker 2: about some other things in Star Wars, and one was
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  Speaker 2: how is history handled, you know, in the Star Wars galaxy,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you think of the thousands of worlds that exists,
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  Speaker 2: these individualized cultures, plus you have the history of the
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  Speaker 2: Galls Poleaxy as a whole. As these species begin to meet,
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  Speaker 2: governments begin to form between them. You know, you get
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  Speaker 2: big governments like the Republic, the Old Republic, the New Republic,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Empire, the syth Reign, what with the Jedi,
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  Speaker 2: And so just kicking it off, John, like, where do
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  Speaker 2: we even start with this idea of kind of chronicling
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  Speaker 2: history and how history might be dealt with in the
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars galaxy.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think that it's interesting because part of
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  Speaker 4: what spurred this on was during our discussion you had
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  Speaker 4: mentioned how, you know, where you grew up had a
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  Speaker 4: different approach to history than other places, and I had
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  Speaker 4: never really thought about it that way before that where
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  Speaker 4: I grew up, I know certain things, certain history, certain perspectives,
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  Speaker 4: and you have a totally different perspective on certain things.
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  Speaker 4: I know that there are areas where there are state holidays,
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  Speaker 4: there are state observances that I have no idea even
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  Speaker 4: exist because you can't know all. But then you magnify
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  Speaker 4: that all the countries on Earth, and then all the
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  Speaker 4: sublocalities within there. That's tons of stuff you can't possibly know.
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  Speaker 4: But then you know, like you're saying, you layer on
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  Speaker 4: the fact that I think the question becomes once you
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  Speaker 4: get to a galactic society, or at least a sector
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  Speaker 4: wide society, does the individual culture of each planet give
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  Speaker 4: itself up for the larger culture of the collective that
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  Speaker 4: it's in, And where I would draw from would be
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  Speaker 4: like Ring World. Have you ever read Ringworld by Larry Niven?
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  Speaker 2: I have not, but I've heard of it.
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  Speaker 4: One of the interesting things that he puts forth, because
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  Speaker 4: it's said in like an Earth of the Very Distant Future,
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  Speaker 4: is that at a certain point all cultures blended and
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  Speaker 4: became one culture. So there were aspects of everything on everything,
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  Speaker 4: and there was no ownership of a cultural identity. It
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  Speaker 4: was just all of them had blended together eventually, And
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  Speaker 4: I wonder, I mean, is it even tenable for that
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  Speaker 4: to happen? On a galactic scale, or is it that
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  Speaker 4: people on Karelia view galactic history a Karelian way and
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  Speaker 4: people an Alderan view it in an Aldranian way, and
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  Speaker 4: so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because you know, we're talking about this
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  Speaker 2: because I grew up in Texas, and in Texas as
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  Speaker 2: a part of the United States, has a very unique history.
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  Speaker 2: It was its own country for a while, which makes
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  Speaker 2: that different than all of the other places that became states.
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  Speaker 2: You know, those were just territories and then you know,
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  Speaker 2: they got you know, adopted into the United States as
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  Speaker 2: the United States decided to make states. This this is
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  Speaker 2: a different feeling. And so therefore, if you're from Texas,
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  Speaker 2: there is absolutely a massive amount of pride in the
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  Speaker 2: fact that you know, we were once our own country,
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  Speaker 2: and uh it makes us so think in some ways
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  Speaker 2: very unique. But you know, like you said, where you
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  Speaker 2: grow up and you grow up on the East Coast,
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  Speaker 2: and so the history there, you know, full of revolutionary
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  Speaker 2: war history and of course much more uh steeped in
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  Speaker 2: like civil war history and all of those type of things. Right,
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  Speaker 2: And so even just within our own country, there are
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  Speaker 2: different aspects and understandings of history and what we think
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  Speaker 2: of as important and what we might hold on to
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  Speaker 2: and and so it seems like to me, you know, first,
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  Speaker 2: even just starting it, I was just thinking of like
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  Speaker 2: the Naboos as a good example, Right, Naboo has a
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  Speaker 2: long storied history as a culture, full of art and
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  Speaker 2: very cultured obviously with the creations that they have of
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  Speaker 2: the city like Theeed and you know, you think of
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  Speaker 2: where the Gungans live as well, and both of those cultures,
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  Speaker 2: you know, having uh existed on the same planet, have
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  Speaker 2: a very different aspect of of what history is for them,
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  Speaker 2: even on on this you know planet and so and
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  Speaker 2: yet there's something about them. I think that that was
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  Speaker 2: really striking me because they seem to be a society
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  Speaker 2: where both of the races that have developed on that
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  Speaker 2: planet have very storied pasts and hold on to them, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they they and you can see it all
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  Speaker 2: over their architecture, you know, and and so so, Uh
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  Speaker 2: that would be a place where it's like, yeah, history
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  Speaker 2: to them is incredibly important. And you know, the history
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  Speaker 2: between uh, the Naboo and the Gungans is also you know,
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  Speaker 2: very fraught. You know, they have this dislike for one
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  Speaker 2: another because you know, they both think the other thinks
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  Speaker 2: more highly of themselves than they ought. Uh and and
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  Speaker 2: you know till they come together here in the prequels
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  Speaker 2: and so and and it just that planet alone as
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  Speaker 2: just being like the microcosm. Then you, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: then you have this whole other layer right of what
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  Speaker 2: happens when you start, you know, experiencing space travel, and
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  Speaker 2: you add this galactic layer of history and how you
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  Speaker 2: fit into the greater hole of that. And it does
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  Speaker 2: seem like it would be very difficult to be a
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  Speaker 2: historian in the Star Wars galaxy with the thousands upon
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  Speaker 2: thousands upon thousands of planets that all have their own histories,
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  Speaker 2: plus the overarching history of the major movements of you know,
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  Speaker 2: intergalactic governments. It's like it would It does feel kind
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  Speaker 2: of mind blugging. It actually brings to mind like just
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  Speaker 2: what a reservoir then of knowledge the Jedi Temple became, right,
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  Speaker 2: it would have had this repository of the I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it seemed as though their idea was to collect as
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  Speaker 2: much knowledge from across the galaxy as absolutely possible.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, unless somebody you know, use their access code to
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  Speaker 4: go in and remove Camino or something like that, but
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  Speaker 4: you know you would do that.
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  Speaker 3: It is like who what Jedi is going to do that?
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  Speaker 4: But the you know, I vibe with what you're saying
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  Speaker 4: very much because I also think it would explain where
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  Speaker 4: a lot of conflict would have come from in galactic history,
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  Speaker 4: and because everybody understands things from their own perspective. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you get into a point where somebody from somebody from
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  Speaker 4: bestmin shows up at some you know, like I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: give me something.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say Correllia again, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: they give me a mid Rim planet.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they show up on like end or for
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  Speaker 2: some reason.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah they saw uponandor for some reason like it's It's
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  Speaker 4: one of those things where I think what needs to
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  Speaker 4: be layered into it is this whole idea that the
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  Speaker 4: Republic managed to keep peace for as long as it
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  Speaker 4: did would have been mind boggling in and of itself,
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  Speaker 4: because these understandings of history would have led to a
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  Speaker 4: lot more conflict than anything else. And that comes back
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  Speaker 4: and emphasizes again the importance of the Jedi, but also
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  Speaker 4: would explain something that I think audiences don't always latch onto,
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  Speaker 4: which is there could be entire sections of the galaxy
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  Speaker 4: that didn't even know what a Jedi was, or had
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  Speaker 4: maybe heard one story or something like that. Imagine how
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  Speaker 4: many corners of the galaxy had no idea the Jedi
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  Speaker 4: even existed. Which not to open a can of worms,
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  Speaker 4: which is one of those things where like, how the
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  Speaker 4: heck would somebody on jek Whu even know what a
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  Speaker 4: Jedi was?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but which.
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  Speaker 2: It is one of the things that the New canon
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  Speaker 2: had done. And they had created those books myths and fables, right,
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  Speaker 2: which you know, gave these fairy tale like stories about
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  Speaker 2: Jedi type characters that come from around the galaxy, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And and I think that's the place where when you
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  Speaker 2: think of the idea of places where actual histories happen,
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  Speaker 2: where Jedi have been involved, and you know, we get
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  Speaker 2: the sense that at a point in history in the
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars timeline thousands upon thousands of years ago, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Jedi and Sith had a major conflict. You know, they
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  Speaker 2: were much more prevalent, you know, and in fact, even
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  Speaker 2: by the time of the prequels, right, we get the
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  Speaker 2: sense that the Jedi used to be much more prevalent
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  Speaker 2: in the galaxy than they even are at that point right, right,
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  Speaker 2: and so there's been this kind of slow, almost diminished
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  Speaker 2: nature to them. It almost feels like the Elves from
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  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings right where their power is slowly fading.
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  Speaker 2: They're fighting, as Galadriel would call it, the long defeat,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and so you've got that sense to it
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  Speaker 2: where there's been this ebb and flow of the history
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  Speaker 2: of the galactic galaxy, of this power struggle between the
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  Speaker 2: light and the dark, and in that, you know, those
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  Speaker 2: major history movements have led there to be times when
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  Speaker 2: the Jedi are much more prevalent, or times when the
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  Speaker 2: Sith are more prevalent, right, and times when it almost
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  Speaker 2: is like both seem dormant. And in this long span
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  Speaker 2: of history, it's then created like you know, you're kind
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  Speaker 2: of mentioning this idea of like there would be times where, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: people wouldn't really know that they existed, or you get
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  Speaker 2: to a time like the Empire obviously, where Emperor Palpatine
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  Speaker 2: is specifically making sure that people don't remember them, you know,
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  Speaker 2: working over time to give them the bread and circuses,
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  Speaker 2: so they literally forget that they existed, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: so I think I think that's really interesting because you know,
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  Speaker 2: you think about the imperial time period. That's where you know,
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  Speaker 2: this this historical thought process and this idea of history
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  Speaker 2: and everything is is incredibly important.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You think of like some world events that are happening
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  Speaker 2: right now where there are places that had fallen into despotism,
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  Speaker 2: but they knew what freedom tasted like right within their lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: But by the you know, the Empire, you get to
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  Speaker 2: that point where it's like there were people who didn't
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  Speaker 2: know anything other than the empire. Yeah, and so I
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  Speaker 2: think that's that's it seems like it would be incredibly
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  Speaker 2: important then for the Star Wars galaxy for not just
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  Speaker 2: knowledge to be preserved, but history to be preserved for
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  Speaker 2: each of these cultures and and also for the galaxy
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  Speaker 2: at large. Otherwise, you know, And maybe isn't that even
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  Speaker 2: what George Lucas is doing in the prequel trilogy, right,
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  Speaker 2: is kind of showing the ways in which people stop
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  Speaker 2: caring about the important things and start only caring about
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  Speaker 2: the trivial matters, like you know, their balance sheets and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that, and that's what leads them into you know,
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  Speaker 2: greed instead of selflessness and so and in some ways,
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  Speaker 2: a lack of history is the way in which it's
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  Speaker 2: easy to fall into that because we don't see the
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  Speaker 2: folly of our predecessors and learn from Well.
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  Speaker 4: I think about how easy it would be for the
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  Speaker 4: corporate sector, or the techno union, army, or or the.
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  Speaker 3: Trade federation or what have you.
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  Speaker 4: They create their little cloister and they can you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's just like you know, there are countries on Earth
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  Speaker 4: where they close off the Internet. They control what comes in,
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  Speaker 4: and the only version of the world that you're going
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  Speaker 4: to understand is the one that is approved by the
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  Speaker 4: powers that be. And think about not just governmental but
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  Speaker 4: in the galaxy at large. You have such a demand
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  Speaker 4: for resources that you know, the names are out there,
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  Speaker 4: corporate sector, authority, techno union, army, trade federation. They're controlling
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  Speaker 4: their space in such a way that only certain things
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  Speaker 4: are getting through to everybody. So they're understanding through a
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  Speaker 4: different way. It's much easier to control somebody's perspective of
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  Speaker 4: you know, what you're talking about the taste of freedom
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  Speaker 4: and stuff like that, because oh, what are you talk about? No,
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  Speaker 4: it's much worse out there. Look at how good we
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  Speaker 4: have it, and you can trust me, right, But if
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  Speaker 4: you grow up in that system, you don't even understand
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  Speaker 4: that there's anything different than that sence them and you know,
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  Speaker 4: that sort of thing, so it becomes even more difficult.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if.
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  Speaker 4: Anything, I think that it's I think it would be
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  Speaker 4: very interesting to go into a future in Star Wars.
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  Speaker 4: I know, we've gone back and looked at like the
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  Speaker 4: old old Republic days stuff like that. I think it
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  Speaker 4: would be even more interesting. I would love to project
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  Speaker 4: out way into the future in the Star Wars galaxy
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  Speaker 4: and actually have a thing where the Jedi and the
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  Speaker 4: Sith no longer exist, and we we're in the galaxy
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  Speaker 4: for that time when they're reborn. Tying to that cyclical
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  Speaker 4: idea what you're talking about, people have forgotten their history
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  Speaker 4: and then these sort of like quote unquote first forced
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  Speaker 4: users show up again because everybody, you know, the whole
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  Speaker 4: history was wiped out and so people did you know,
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  Speaker 4: there were people with weird powers and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 4: but they didn't formalize it, and so we would get
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  Speaker 4: to see it be reborn in the future. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's just me thinking though, because I don't
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  Speaker 4: know it's James man Gold's movie still happening.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have a clear picture whether that's the
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  Speaker 2: case or not so.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well either way either way, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I think I think what what is really interesting
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  Speaker 2: about this is then two you know, what are the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: planets there then that would kind of you know, favor uh,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: you know, more galactic history than their own personal history.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You know. It feels like a place like Oldron is
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a place that would very much favor their own history.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: You know, they've held on to their beliefs throughout all
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: of this, right, you know, we even buy a new Hope.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: You know, it is a planet that still is committed
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to having no weapons, you know, uh, and so they
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: they are very committed to the idea of peace and
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and you know, more of a pacifistic nature, you know.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And yet there are other planets, you know that seem
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to have been completely changed by the events of galactic history,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: like Genosis, right, a planet that gets completely taken over
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: by the separatists and by the time of the the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you know, middle years between the trilogies. It's a planet
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: that's been pretty decimated because of that, m H and so,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: and therefore they've lost a lot of that or you
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you know, you have this planet where like Tatoine is
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: a great example, you have all of these subcultures on
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Tatooine who basically stay away from each other for the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: most part. Right, We've seen it with the sand people,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you know, and just the rest of the people that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: kind of live there, eking out a living, and mainly
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: just because it seems like they try to. They're just
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: trying to be away from everything else and they don't
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: want anybody else knowing what they do.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I find this to be just a really interesting subject.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: And it's one of those things where, you know, we
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: were talking about this when we were talking about episode
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: seven and then our ideas for an episode eight, you
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: know that we did with the Nancy. And one of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the things we talked about with Star Wars is that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: itself as a franchise has this incredibly rich history, yeah,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: and that that history takes itself very seriously, right, That
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: history is very important because it's the thing to which
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: ties the galaxy together, and it's it's that thing that
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: you know, and even I think the reason that we
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: can be talking about this is that Star Wars itself
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: has always almost felt like, especially when Lucas was involved,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: that it was this almost documentary style, right that you're
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: watching war videos that happened during the Clone Wars. I mean,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that's that's even that whole like.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Now on christophe'sis Anakin Skywalker and Obi wan Kenobi to
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: find themselves.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: In terrible peril, you know. And that's that comes from
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the movie serials that would play before to tell you
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: what was happening in the news. The news, yeah, you know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and and so there's just again, this is a this
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: is a series that has taken itself seriously on on
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: purpose because it's built into the series itself, and and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: so and and you can see that again all the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: play and it's I think Clone Wars is a great
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: example of a time in Star Wars where we really
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: get to start visiting a lot of other planets and
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: get a sense of what their culture is like. And
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you can see that they all have their own varied
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: and rich histories that are subtly being changed by galactic events,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: which you know, again is what makes it also fascinating.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: It's also the thing that like both you and I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: gravitated towards in the prequels, we really enjoyed all that
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: politics stuff. Yeah you know, other people didn't, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: they just wanted pew pew, and so but the richness
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of that is what made it feel like a real, living,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: breathing society.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, and the thing is, it's I
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: think that there's a lot of opportunity there just to
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: explore I guess, smaller stories. It would be really really
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: interesting to scale it down and tell stories from that
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: individualized planet slash culture perspective, so that what's happening galactically
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: we see its influence, but the stories focused on what's
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: happening for the people there, sort of like you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: even in Tales of the Empire we got the history
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: of Morgan Elsbeth, but also the planet that Morganelle's death
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: was on, that sort of thing, and like you can
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: see a person's journey through these different smaller scale cultural
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: things and how they're all impacted by the larger beats
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: of the you know, of the galactic affairs and stuff
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: like that. I think that stuff's super interesting, and that's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: the stuff I want to see them keep exploring, whether
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: it's through animation. A big fan of animation obviously, but
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: like the books themsels, I think would be really good
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: to start doing those sorts of things. The books have
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: always been focused on that larger galactic history thing. It
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: would be much more interesting to focus on the smaller
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: planetary history thing and then have the galactic stuff going
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: on outside of it, just as like a way to
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: earmark we know what era we're in while this stuff
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: is going on, sort of you know, sort of thing.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I think that would be interesting.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, actually, you know, you know who.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Did a great job of that, because I went back
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: and I revisited it and wound up really enjoying it
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: even more the second time was what John Jackson Miller
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: did with Kenobi.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did a really good job of giving Tatooine
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: its own thing going on and an awareness of the
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: outside world, but it was focused on that. Those are
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: the types of stories I want to see more of
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: in Star Wars.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I think that's a fantastic example of what we've been
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: talking about, in the ways in which you know, all
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: of these individual planets are and special in and of themselves,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you know, and they each have their own stories that
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you could utilize to tell. And I think, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: you calling out like tales of the Jedi, you do that.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I think, uh, you know, uh, tales of the Empires
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: like that, you know. Uh, Tales of the Underworld is
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: like that too, you know, and it gives us a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: real sense of the ways in which each person is
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: individually touched by the larger galactic history as well as
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the specific history happening on these different planets, and and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: in that you know, if if you, if you do
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: it right, the stories then for the Star Wars Galaxy
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: could be endless.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they could, they could. There you go, we're brainstorming
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: for Disney again. Well really for lucasfilm. Yeah, you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: feel free to keep listening, guys, and we hope that
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: you know, all of you who are listening, keep listening.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: We love doing the show. We also love interacting with people.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Matt.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: If you want to interact with somebody, obviously you're out
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: there online and there are ways they can interact with you.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: So why don't you let people know how they can
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: reach out and work their way through internet history? Well, no,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: don't look at Matt's Internet history. It's a bad idea.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Just go look for Matt. Now, where can they find you?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Well, you can look through my internet history. It's very clean.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: But you can find me all over this place on
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: social media under the name Matt risking Serve two. Of course,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: here on the network got a show called Outposts about
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: every single chapter of the Harry Potter series, one chapter time,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: and then over on the TFM network got to the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: six zero two Club, which is general Geet show as
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: we're talking about all of the franchises we love outside
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of Star Trek, and then there is a bunch of
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: great Star Trek talk there as well that I do
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: with the great Chris Jones. But John, you know, if
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: people wanted to talk about history with you, you in
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Star Wars or maybe just anywhere else where, would they
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: find you.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Well, gosh, you can find me as Kessel Junkie out
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: there on the wilds of the Internet. Visit me on
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: letterbox because I watch a lot of movies and I
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: love to log them and I love to talk on
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: that social media platform, and you can find me here
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: on the network, co hosting a show called house Lights
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: with Tristian Riddell and Darren Moser, where we look at
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: the work of different directors and actually, you know, sometimes
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: we do stuff where it's like, you know, we look
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: at different movie characters as directors approach the franchise, so
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: that we have all we mix it up. Go and
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: listen to us over on house Lights. We'd love to
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: have you over there. But Matt, I'll tell you what
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: the biggest problem is that we haven't delved into the
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: conspiracy theories of the Star Wars universe. And I just
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: realized I have to close down my hul innet browser
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: history right now, So I think it's time to close
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: these negotiations.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: John, negotiations are closed.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Hmmm.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Join the revolution, Join the Nerd Party.