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The Clean Shoe on the Post: Where Did Duane Walk Off To? · Narcisist Psychology

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  Speaker 1: A dark brown Oxford shoe, clean laces, tied, balanced on
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  Speaker 1: the flat top of a wooden post in Kelner Marsh,
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  Speaker 1: toe pointing east, no mud on the sole, no explanation
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  Speaker 1: within half a mile in any direction. Amanda Muller found
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  Speaker 1: it on the morning of May ninth, two thousand nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: while she was looking for a yellow warbler. She called
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  Speaker 1: the non emergency line. The officer who responded walked the
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  Speaker 1: fence line north twelve yards from the shoe draped over
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  Speaker 1: a fence post, a sport coat in the brush below it,
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  Speaker 1: a wallet, a wallet forty three dollars in cash, a
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  Speaker 1: library card, a Pennsylvania state ID belonging to a man
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  Speaker 1: named Dwayne Walk. That combination, a single clean shoe on
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  Speaker 1: a post, a man's id left in a marsh, no
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  Speaker 1: footprints near by in the right size turned a bird
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  Speaker 1: watcher's phone call into something that required more people and
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  Speaker 1: more questions. What happened to Dwayne Walk in that marsh
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  Speaker 1: and what happened in the two nights before Amanda ever
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  Speaker 1: got there. Dwayne Walk was forty four years old in
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  Speaker 1: the spring of two thousand nineteen. He worked as a
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  Speaker 1: technical writer remotely for a firm based in Pittsburgh. The
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  Speaker 1: work was solitary by design, deadlines, documentation, style guides, the
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  Speaker 1: kind of labor that happens entirely inside a screen in
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  Speaker 1: a quiet room, with no one watching. He had moved
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  Speaker 1: to Orveston, Pennsylvania, in the autumn of two thousand seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Orveston is a small community in Center County, the kind
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  Speaker 1: of place where you can learn the layout in a
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  Speaker 1: single afternoon and walk to most things you need. That
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  Speaker 1: walkability was not incidental for Dwayne. He chose the town
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  Speaker 1: partly because of it. He had come out of a
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  Speaker 1: divorce that he described in one reported exchange as entirely
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  Speaker 1: his fault, which is the worst kind. The phrase carries
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  Speaker 1: its own weight, not bitterness directed outward, something heavier. He
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  Speaker 1: rented on Caldwell Lane. He planted a kitchen garden in
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  Speaker 1: the back, pole beans markers painted by hand on flat
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  Speaker 1: stones pressed into the soil. He joined the bowling league
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  Speaker 1: at Orveston Lanes under a team he and his team
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  Speaker 1: mates called the Spare Parts. His average was one sixty eight.
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  Speaker 1: He was not the best bowler on the lane, and
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  Speaker 1: he was not trying to be Phil Cotter, one of
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  Speaker 1: his team mates, later described Dwaine as the kind of
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  Speaker 1: person who showed up every week without being reminded, reliable
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  Speaker 1: in the specific, unspectacular way that makes someone the center
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  Speaker 1: of gravity in a small group without any one formerly
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging it. In February of two thousand nineteen, Duane created
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  Speaker 1: a profile on connect Wright, an online dating platform. He
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  Speaker 1: had not done anything like it before. The decision was
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  Speaker 1: not impulsive. By several accounts, It took him a while
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  Speaker 1: to settle on it. He filled out the profile carefully.
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  Speaker 1: He mentioned the garden, he mentioned the walks. Somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: that period he told Phil Cotter quietly that he thought
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  Speaker 1: he might have met some one. According to Cotter, he
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  Speaker 1: said it the way people announced things they are afraid
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  Speaker 1: to jinks voice, low, no details, volunteered, the announcement functioning
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  Speaker 1: as much as a hope as a statement of fact.
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  Speaker 1: The person he believed he had met was named Dana Voss.
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  Speaker 1: She presented herself as a landscape architect, forty one years old,
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  Speaker 1: based in Allentown, Pennsylvania. Her profile photograph showed a woman
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  Speaker 1: in what appeared to be an outdoor setting relaxed natural light.
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  Speaker 1: She had opinions about native plant restoration. She asked Duayanne's
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  Speaker 1: specific questions about the pole beings. Over the following weeks,
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  Speaker 1: her messages arrived consistently. She remembered details he had mentioned
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  Speaker 1: in passing. When Duayne brought up a cafe in o
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  Speaker 1: Lentown he had read about once, Dana described it accurately,
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  Speaker 1: the corner it sat on, the color of the awning,
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  Speaker 1: without any apparent effort, The kind of recall that signals
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  Speaker 1: genuine attention, the kind that makes a person feel seen.
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  Speaker 1: He bought a new shirt for the meeting they had
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  Speaker 1: scheduled in Harrisburg. It was the first new piece of
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  Speaker 1: clothing he had purchased in months. That detail matters more
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  Speaker 1: than it seems right now. It will matter even more later.
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  Speaker 1: Four days before the meeting in Harrisburg, Dana Voss sent
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  Speaker 1: a message that arrived in the late afternoon. She was
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  Speaker 1: in a difficult situation. A contractor she had hired for
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  Speaker 1: a project had presented an invoice she had not anticipated.
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  Speaker 1: She was embarrassed to ask she would pay it back
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  Speaker 1: the moment she got to Harrisburg six hundred dollars Through
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  Speaker 1: the peer to peer app they both used. Duane transferred
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  Speaker 1: the money that evening. He had no reason not to.
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  Speaker 1: Three months of consistent messages, remembered details, a scheduled meeting.
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  Speaker 1: The transfer felt like the kind of thing people in
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  Speaker 1: relationships do, ordinary, unremarkable, The texture of trust made practical.
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  Speaker 1: The shirk he had bought was already hanging in his closet.
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  Speaker 1: What Dwaine did not know was that the cafe Dana
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  Speaker 1: had described with such precision, the corner, the color of
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  Speaker 1: the awning had never been visited. Every detail came from
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  Speaker 1: forty minutes with an open browser and Google Map's street view.
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  Speaker 1: The woman in the profile photograph lived in Knoxville, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: She had not posted anything since twenty sixteen. Her image
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  Speaker 1: had been lifted from an inactive Instagram account and placed
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  Speaker 1: at the center of a construction that had been operating
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  Speaker 1: for months before Duane's profile appeared on connect Wright. The
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  Speaker 1: person operating that construction was Chad Graham, thirty seven years old,
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  Speaker 1: living in a boarding house in Dunmore, Pennsylvania. He had
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  Speaker 1: done this before twenty twelve. He had been convicted of
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  Speaker 1: wire fraud and served eighteen months. By twenty nineteen, he
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  Speaker 1: was running three simultaneous false identities across dating platforms. Dana
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  Speaker 1: Voss was one. Karen Vance was another, built on the
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  Speaker 1: same VoIP infrastructure and the same pattern of escalating small
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  Speaker 1: requests deployed against a retired postal worker in Scren named
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  Speaker 1: Victor Pelham, who transferred two thousand, two hundred dollars in
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  Speaker 1: total before the scheme collapsed. The third identity followed the
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  Speaker 1: same architecture. Graham's method had a structure love bombing for
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  Speaker 1: three to five months, then small financial requests framed as emergencies.
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  Speaker 1: Each request was calibrated to arrive at the precise moment
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  Speaker 1: when refusing would feel like abandonment, not a demand of vulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: The mechanism counted on the target's decency as the lever.
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  Speaker 1: On the morning of May ninth, twenty nineteen, A Manda
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  Speaker 1: Mueller drove to Kellner Marsh with a Nikon camera and
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  Speaker 1: a two hundred dollars lens adapter she had been saving
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  Speaker 1: toured for months. She was there for a yellow warbler,
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  Speaker 1: a bird she had been trying to photograph for two seasons.
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  Speaker 1: She found the shoe instead. It sat on top of
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  Speaker 1: a wooden post at the marsh's edge. Dark brown Oxford
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  Speaker 1: size ten or eleven, clean sole laces tied toe pointing east.
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  Speaker 1: It had not fallen there it was placed Amanda called
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  Speaker 1: the non urgency line. The officer who walked the fence
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  Speaker 1: line with her found twelve yards north of the shoe
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  Speaker 1: a sport coat draped over the top rail of the fence.
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  Speaker 1: Below it, in the grass at the base of the post,
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  Speaker 1: a wallet forty three dollars in cash, a library card,
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  Speaker 1: a Pennsylvania state ID belonging to one Dwayne Walk, Caldwell Lane, Wrveston.
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  Speaker 1: There is a quality to that inventory that resists easy explanation.
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  Speaker 1: The wallet still had money in it, the id was there.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever had happened at Kellner Marsh, it had not been
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  Speaker 1: a robbery. The officers walked the berm in the mud
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  Speaker 1: along the fence. They found boot prints, two sets different sizes.
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  Speaker 1: The larger pair, roughly size eleven or twelve, ran parallel
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  Speaker 1: to the fence for about sixty yards. A second set, smaller,
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  Speaker 1: overlapped the first at two specific points, as though the
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  Speaker 1: second person had followed or matched the pace of the first.
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  Speaker 1: Both sets of prints led toward the access track, a
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  Speaker 1: narrow path through the marsh grass that connected the road
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  Speaker 1: to the back lot of Orviston Lanes. Dwayne Walk was
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  Speaker 1: found the same morning in his kitchen on Caldwell Lane,
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  Speaker 1: one shoe on one foot. Beare not fully coherent. He
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  Speaker 1: was alive. He had not been physically harmed, but the
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  Speaker 1: account he gave of the previous two nights was fragmented
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  Speaker 1: in ways that concerned the officers who spoke with him.
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  Speaker 1: He remembered walking home from the Bowling League's recovery session.
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  Speaker 1: He remembered being on the access track. He remembered a
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  Speaker 1: man he did not know stopping him. He did not
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  Speaker 1: remember the shoe. Here is where the evidence pointed before
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  Speaker 1: it pivoted. The car had been there on the night
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  Speaker 1: of May seventh, A dark compact parked at the far
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  Speaker 1: corner of the Orviston Lanes lot between eleven fourteen and
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  Speaker 1: eleven forty one at night. The driver did not enter
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  Speaker 1: the building. According to subsequent investigation, he waited. The plates
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  Speaker 1: were not identifiable from the available angle, but the make
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  Speaker 1: of the vehicle was the same car was not seen
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  Speaker 1: again in the lot on any other recorded night. Dwayne
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  Speaker 1: had been inside the building that night recovery session for
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  Speaker 1: the Bowling League a regular Tuesday. He left on foot
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  Speaker 1: as he always did through the access track along Kellner Marsh.
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  Speaker 1: The picture that assembled itself from those details had a
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  Speaker 1: specific shape. A man who had been running a financial
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  Speaker 1: fraud on Dwayne walk for three months, A man who,
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  Speaker 1: according to Graham's own later confession, had walked that same
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  Speaker 1: access track in person two weeks before May seventh, means
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  Speaker 1: specifically to plan an in person escalation of the financial requests.
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  Speaker 1: A car waiting in the dark outside the building where
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  Speaker 1: Dwayne spent his Tuesday evenings, two sets of boot prints
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  Speaker 1: in the mud. Everything pointed at Graham. But here is
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  Speaker 1: the thing. The man in the car was not Chad Graham.
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  Speaker 1: The dark compact belonged to Terry Oakes, forty nine years old,
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  Speaker 1: a shop teacher from Hazel Flat, Pennsylvania, forty miles to
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  Speaker 1: the northwest. Terry had also been contacted by Dana Voss
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  Speaker 1: on connect Wright eight weeks before Dwayne. He had transferred
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  Speaker 1: nine hundred and twenty dollars across several requests before a
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  Speaker 1: colleague named Bev Nackamora looked at Dana's profile photograph and
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  Speaker 1: recognized it as an image from a lifestyle blog. Terry
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  Speaker 1: spent three weeks confirming it, then he found Dwayne's post
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  Speaker 1: in the connect Right forum, a question Dwayne had written
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  Speaker 1: asking if anyone else had encountered a user named Dana
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  Speaker 1: Voss from Allentown, and he drove to Orviston. He chose
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  Speaker 1: the access track because Duane had mentioned it in the
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  Speaker 1: forum post he knew Duwayne walked home that way on
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday nights. The two sets of boot prints in the
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  Speaker 1: mud were Terry and Dwayne, not a pursuer and a target,
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  Speaker 1: two men both deceived by the same construction, walking the
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  Speaker 1: same path in the dark. While Terry showed Dwayne on
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  Speaker 1: his phone's screen the thread of messages he had received
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  Speaker 1: from Dana Voss, messages that used the same phrases, the
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  Speaker 1: same emotional beats, the same calibrated vulnerability word for word
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  Speaker 1: that Dwayne had been reading every day for three months.
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  Speaker 1: Dwayne stood at the edge of Kellner Marsh and looked
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  Speaker 1: at another man's phone and recognized his own life in it.
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  Speaker 1: He does not remember placing the shoe on the post.
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  Speaker 1: His account of that part of the night has always
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  Speaker 1: been incomplete. What the record confirms is that he arrived home,
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  Speaker 1: that the shoe was found on the post. The next morning,
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  Speaker 1: clean and tied tow pointing east, placed by someone, and
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  Speaker 1: the only person whose movements that night connect to that
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  Speaker 1: location is Duanne himself. There is a theory, he offered later, unprompted.
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  Speaker 1: He thought some part of him had needed to leave
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  Speaker 1: something in a place where it could be found. The
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  Speaker 1: investigator who documented it did not offer an interpretation. She
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  Speaker 1: thought he was probably right. The fraud itself dismantled cleanly
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  Speaker 1: once it was seen from the outside. Heather White, a
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  Speaker 1: forensic financial investigator assigned by Pennsylvania's Attorney General office after
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  Speaker 1: a regional task force flagged the pattern, built a matrix
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  Speaker 1: of the three simultaneous relationships, the timing of financial requests
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  Speaker 1: against the ark of emotional escalation. In each case, the
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  Speaker 1: void number traced to a prepaid account registered to an
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  Speaker 1: address in Dunmore. Chad Graham's name surfaced in six days.
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  Speaker 1: He was arrested on May twenty first at his boarding house.
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  Speaker 1: In August, he entered a guilty plead three counts of
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  Speaker 1: wire fraud one count of computer fraud. The sentence was
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  Speaker 1: fifty one months in federal prison. In the interrogation, Graham
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  Speaker 1: confirmed everything the three false identities. The meeting in Harrisburg
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  Speaker 1: that was never going to happen. The walk along the
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  Speaker 1: access track two weeks before May seventh, when he had
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  Speaker 1: gone in person to plan the next escalation, the moment
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  Speaker 1: he intended to appear as Dana finally and use the
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  Speaker 1: physical presence to extract more. He had not yet made
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  Speaker 1: that move when Terry arrived first. What Graham's confession did
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  Speaker 1: not address, because it fell outside the scope of the charges,
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  Speaker 1: was how a system this practiced gets built. The answer
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  Speaker 1: to that came six days after his arrest became public
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  Speaker 1: when a woman named Christine Lund, forty three years old,
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  Speaker 1: a dental hygienist from outside Erie, Pennsylvania, contacted the Attorney
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  Speaker 1: General's office in twenty thirteen, a year after Graham's first release,
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  Speaker 1: a persona named Brad Kellner had contacted her through a
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  Speaker 1: similar platform and run the same pattern. She had transferred
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  Speaker 1: five hundred dollars before a friend named Angie Torres told
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  Speaker 1: her to stop. Christine had reported it, then she was
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  Speaker 1: told the evidence was insufficient. She kept every message anyway,
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  Speaker 1: six years of them, organized in a folder she had
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  Speaker 1: never deleted. Heather White reviewed the messages. The phrasing matched
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  Speaker 1: at the level of individual sentences, the same words, the
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  Speaker 1: same escalation beats, the same menu, pufactured crisis, arriving at
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  Speaker 1: the moment when saying no would feel like cruelty. What
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  Speaker 1: was not prosecuted in twenty thirteen became the rehearsal for
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  Speaker 1: what was built in twenty nineteen. That is not a theory,
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  Speaker 1: that is what the record shows. Graham was still in
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  Speaker 1: his boarding house in Dunmore when investigators arrived on May
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  Speaker 1: twenty first. He did not run, He answered the door.
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  Speaker 1: Within hours, he had confirmed everything. The three false identities,
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  Speaker 1: the meeting in Harrisburg that existed only in Dwayne's calendar,
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  Speaker 1: the walk along the access track two weeks earlier, when
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  Speaker 1: he had gone in person to plan the next move.
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  Speaker 1: In August, he entered a guilty please three counts of
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  Speaker 1: wire fraud, one count of computer fraud. The sentence handed
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  Speaker 1: down was fifty one months in federal prison. The financial
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  Speaker 1: matrix Heather White built Hill three simultaneous relationships, each one
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  Speaker 1: a variation of the same architecture. The timing of every
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  Speaker 1: money request mapped precisely against the escalation of emotional language.
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  Speaker 1: The voipe account traced to a prepaid number registered to
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  Speaker 1: an address in Dunmore, Graham's name surfaced in six days.
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  Speaker 1: What the record shows is not a man acting on impulse.
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  Speaker 1: It is a man who had done this before, who
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  Speaker 1: had been caught before, and who had used the years
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  Speaker 1: between to refine what he knew. Victor Pelham, the retired
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  Speaker 1: mail carrier from Scranton, had transferred two thousand, two hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars to the persona called Cairn Vance before the arrest.
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  Speaker 1: Terry Oakes, the shop teacher from Hazel Flat, had transferred
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  Speaker 1: nine twenty to DNA vass. Across multiple requests. Dwayne had
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  Speaker 1: transferred six hundred tools, the smallest amount and the one
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  Speaker 1: that nearly ended with him standing in a marsh in
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  Speaker 1: the dark with one shoe. The charges did not include violence.
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  Speaker 1: Graham's own confession confirmed that his walk along them the
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  Speaker 1: access track was reconnaissance for financial escalation, not physical harm.
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  Speaker 1: The record holds to that. What the record cannot quantify
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  Speaker 1: is what three to five months of daily manufactured intimacy
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  Speaker 1: does to a person's ability to trust the next thing
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  Speaker 1: they feel. In June, the Orviston Police Department sent Dwayne
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  Speaker 1: Walk a manila envelope. Inside was his dark brown Oxford
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  Speaker 1: size ten to eleven clean laces, still tied, chain of
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  Speaker 1: custody sticker affixed to the tongue. The shoe had been photographed, logged,
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  Speaker 1: and held for seven weeks as physical evidence. Now it
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  Speaker 1: was just a shoe again. Dwayne replanted his pole beans
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  Speaker 1: in May, a few weeks after he was found sitting
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  Speaker 1: in his kitchen with one bare foot, not entirely coherent,
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  Speaker 1: trying to explain a night he did not fully remember.
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  Speaker 1: He went back to bowling in the third week. His average,
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  Speaker 1: according to the league records, held close to one sixty eight.
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  Speaker 1: He did not delete the photographs of his garden. He
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  Speaker 1: did not delete the messages from Dana Voss either, at
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  Speaker 1: least not immediately. He kept them the way Christine Lunde
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  Speaker 1: had kept hers, not out of sentiment, but because deleting
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  Speaker 1: them would have felt like agreeing that they had never mattered.
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  Speaker 1: Amanda Mueller printed her photograph at eight by ten inches
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  Speaker 1: and hung it in her studio, not because it was
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  Speaker 1: good nature photography. The yellow warbler she had gone to
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  Speaker 1: Kelner Marsh to find never appeared in the frame. What
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  Speaker 1: appeared instead was a dark Oxford on a wooden post toe,
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  Speaker 1: pointing east in a light. She had not planned for.
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  Speaker 1: She told the Attorney General's office when they followed up,
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  Speaker 1: that it was the most human thing she had ever
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  Speaker 1: documented by accident. There is something about that detail that
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  Speaker 1: resists easy resolution. A woman goes looking for a bird,
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  Speaker 1: she finds instead the trace of a man's worst night,
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  Speaker 1: balanced on a post in a marsh, waiting to be seen. Dwayne,
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  Speaker 1: when asked about the shoe, said he had no conscious
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  Speaker 1: memory of placing it there. He offered a theory. He
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  Speaker 1: said that some part of him had needed to leave
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  Speaker 1: something in a place where it could be found. Heatherwhite
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  Speaker 1: wrote that down and did not offer an interpretation. She
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  Speaker 1: thought he was probably right. That is where the case rests.
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  Speaker 1: Graham is serving his sentence. The platforms that house the
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  Speaker 1: personas are still running. Christine LUN's folder of messages from
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  Speaker 1: two thoy thirteen sits in a case file in Harrisburg,
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  Speaker 1: evidence of a rehearsal that no one stopped in time.
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  Speaker 1: And somewhere in Orviston, a man who chose a small
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  Speaker 1: town so he could walk everywhere is still walking. He
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  Speaker 1: knows the access track now, the way you know a
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  Speaker 1: road after something happened on it. He takes it anyway
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