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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-6-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 2: Have Me Hop Fay Party. Welcome to the Sean ol'connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to have you with us on a show that
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  Speaker 2: has brought to you today, in every single.
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  Speaker 3: Day by our friends.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, Big Willies, seventeen seventeenth, South Maine, incredible food menu.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully you went and enjoyed a little single De Mayo
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  Speaker 2: celebration yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: We move on into spring sports.
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  Speaker 2: We've got NHL playoffs, We've got NBA playoffs, Lots of
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  Speaker 2: stuff to get to on the show today. Evan Cohen
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  Speaker 2: has promised we'll be joining us at eleven thirty. We'll
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  Speaker 2: go between the Pipes with Adrian Denny to once again
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  Speaker 2: recap the Utah Mammoth season, the Bill Armstrong, Bear Turney,
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  Speaker 2: the exit interviews with the brass of the Utah Mammoth.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I was hoping for something that would
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  Speaker 2: be a little bit more groundbreaking, ground shaking or shattering.
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  Speaker 2: It was a lot of what we expected. And I
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  Speaker 2: say that tongue in cheek that I expected more I wanted.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we always want some SoundBite to glom onto
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  Speaker 2: in the radio world. But this organization kind of knows
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  Speaker 2: exactly where it's at right now.
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  Speaker 3: And I gotta say.
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  Speaker 2: They are on the pace that they promised when the
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  Speaker 2: team was brought from Arizona to Utah. And when I
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  Speaker 2: say the pace that was promised, I mean the pace
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  Speaker 2: that was promised, like cautiously, carefully laid out expectations in
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  Speaker 2: a reasonable manner. This is exactly where the you tell Mammoth,
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  Speaker 2: we're at right now. And we'll discuss it more with
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  Speaker 2: Adrian Denny on the show today.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a refreshing thing. It's a good thing,
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  Speaker 2: it's a happy thing. In sports, when things go according
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  Speaker 2: to plan doesn't always happen that way. You got all
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  Speaker 2: these trades, these draft picks, prognostications, and at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day sometimes they go left. Last night, uh,
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  Speaker 2: in the NHL Draft lottery, if Utah had been a
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  Speaker 2: team in the lottery, you probably you probably were getting
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  Speaker 2: upset if your team was in the lottery.
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  Speaker 3: We have a caller.
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  Speaker 2: We have a phone call coming in. That's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a wrong number. That's my guess. Eight seven seven three
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  Speaker 2: five three zero seven hundred. Though, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: ring in and talk to me. Last night, the NHL
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  Speaker 2: Draft lottery took place, and if you if you saw
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  Speaker 2: me tweeting yesterday, I said, I just need the San
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  Speaker 2: Jose Sharks to stay far far away from that number
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  Speaker 2: one overall.
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  Speaker 3: Pick, and they did.
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  Speaker 4: Yay.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: The San Jose Sharks had a five percent chance to
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  Speaker 2: win the number two overall pick in the second draft lottery,
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  Speaker 2: and guess what they wanted. San Jose now four years
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  Speaker 2: in a row, drafting in the top four, number four,
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  Speaker 2: three years ago, number one, two years ago. Maclen Celabrini,
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  Speaker 2: he's working out handsomely number two last year, number two
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  Speaker 2: in this upcoming NHL draft. Why do I care about that? Well,
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  Speaker 2: as a mammoth fan, you have to. As a mammoth observer,
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  Speaker 2: as a manamoth adjacent individual, you have to because the
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  Speaker 2: San Jose Sharks, like the Las Vegas Golden Knights, are
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  Speaker 2: eventually going to be less of a problem than they
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  Speaker 2: are right now. They're an older team, they're a crustier team.
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  Speaker 2: They are not going to be able to keep it
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  Speaker 2: all together. The wheels fall off of that right as
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  Speaker 2: you're rounding into your open Cup window, potentially, if you're
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  Speaker 2: the Mammoth.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, good news.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever the Edmonton Oilers, I don't think that their success
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  Speaker 2: is long for this NHL world. I think that Connor
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  Speaker 2: McDavid's frustrations are warranted. I think that there's an eventual
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  Speaker 2: divorce between the best player in hockey and the hometown team.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about it on the show yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: There's a two year window for them to keep things
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  Speaker 2: open and try to surround him with some more talent.
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  Speaker 2: They've been relatively unsuccessful in doing so so.
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  Speaker 3: Far in his career.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it was Tom Callahan who joined us
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  Speaker 2: earlier in the week and said, I think he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be the greatest player to play in the NHL
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  Speaker 2: and never win a Stanley Cup. That would be tragic
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  Speaker 2: for all the hardcore fans of Connor McDavid out there.
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  Speaker 2: But the San Jose Sharks are on the come up
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  Speaker 2: and will effectively in the next three years, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: replace what the Edmonton Oilers are right.
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  Speaker 3: Now with best player in the world, or.
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  Speaker 2: A guy in the conversation as being best player in
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  Speaker 2: the world rounding into his hockey prime with maclan Celebrini
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  Speaker 2: if he can stay healthy, and then you surround him
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  Speaker 2: with more high draft picks, and it gets a little
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  Speaker 2: bit dicey. The conspiracy theorists in the hockey world, and
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  Speaker 2: count me among them, because I always like a good draft.
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  Speaker 3: Conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: They do their draft, you see it, right, they do
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  Speaker 2: the whole lottery thing publicly. They've got the little ping
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  Speaker 2: pong balls with the number of combinations, and the Toronto
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  Speaker 2: Maple Leafs win the draft lottery and will be picking
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  Speaker 2: number one. They were fifth most likely, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: some insane, out of left field type situation. But where
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  Speaker 2: the conspiracy theorist thrive here is that this is now
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  Speaker 2: the second time it has many attempts, that the Toronto
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  Speaker 2: Maple Leafs have missed the playoffs. Right they've got Austin Matthews,
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  Speaker 2: one of the top five players in the NHL.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, they've got Austin Matthews.
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  Speaker 2: And the last time they missed the playoffs, they also
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  Speaker 2: won the draft lottery. They got the number one pick.
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  Speaker 2: Guess who they turned that into Austin Matthews. He has
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  Speaker 2: effectively stated, I'm gonna give you guys this offseason to
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  Speaker 2: show me that you're surrounding me with support, with talent
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  Speaker 2: and making a serious cup run they had they turned
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  Speaker 2: over the front office. Toronto is in the NBA, I
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  Speaker 2: think an afterthought of a market for a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: although I believe they're wildly important to the NBA's success
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  Speaker 2: and the model for the NBA to continue international expansion
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  Speaker 2: and growing the brand beyond just being a domestic and
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  Speaker 2: American league. In hockey, that Toronto market is sacro sanct
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  Speaker 2: That is something that you have to keep thriving, partially
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  Speaker 2: because of the popularity of other things in Toronto. Toronto
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  Speaker 2: is is a very international city. It is like a
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  Speaker 2: European hub almost but in Canada. And if you let
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  Speaker 2: Toronto start to focus more on baseball, basketball, maybe American football,
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  Speaker 2: you're losing this stranglehold that hockey had on the Canadian
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  Speaker 2: psyche in Canada's most important city.
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  Speaker 3: So the NHL.
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  Speaker 2: Has to be deeply invested in making sure that Toronto
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  Speaker 2: Maple Leaves stay relevant. And a couple of ways you
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  Speaker 2: can make sure they stay relevant is keeping Austin Matthews,
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  Speaker 2: Austin Matthews, seeing that they're gonna be able to draft
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  Speaker 2: number one and surround him with at least a young
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  Speaker 2: rising star.
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  Speaker 3: That should be helpful for him.
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  Speaker 2: And even if if he decides, you know what, I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe what I don't believe in what you have
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  Speaker 2: going here, well then you hit a nice little reset
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  Speaker 2: button on that talent stockpile by giving Toronto the number
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  Speaker 2: one overall pick. Again, of course, this is all conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: There's no real evidence to suggest that you have frozen
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  Speaker 2: the ping pong balls or you have somehow made one
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  Speaker 2: ping pong ball a little bit less dense than the others.
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  Speaker 2: So it rises to the top, and the number combinations
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  Speaker 2: are what they are to prevent any kind of chicanery.
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  Speaker 2: Tomfoolery Shenan again in that world. But the Toronto a
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  Speaker 2: Beliefs won the draft lottery, and it is again a
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  Speaker 2: repeat of the last time. They missed the playoffs. Oh
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  Speaker 2: we missed the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Oh darn it.
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  Speaker 2: Look ooh number one draft pick. They were fifth most likely.
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  Speaker 2: San Jose Sharks had a five percent chance to win
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  Speaker 2: second lottery.
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  Speaker 3: They won it.
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  Speaker 2: They picked number two, and that is a much more
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  Speaker 2: relevant problem for you.
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  Speaker 3: In the West.
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  Speaker 2: The Toronto may beliefs are something that you can kind
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  Speaker 2: of observe from afar, at least for now, until you
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  Speaker 2: become a real Stanley Cup contender, and then you might
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  Speaker 2: have to worry about who's coming out of the East.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of the West and the Western Conference in these
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  Speaker 2: NHL playoffs, I said it yesterday, I will reiterate it again. Man,
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  Speaker 2: The Colorado app look like they are destined to win
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  Speaker 2: this year's Cup, and I'm overreacting to what we have
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  Speaker 2: seen so far, but they are on currently a nine
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  Speaker 2: game win streak going back to the regular season. They
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  Speaker 2: are unbeaten so far in this year's Stanley Cup playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: They have scored fourteen goals in the last two games,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen goals in the last three games, twenty three goals
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  Speaker 2: in the last four games. They are on a blistering
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  Speaker 2: goal scoring pace, influenced at least partially by Game one
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  Speaker 2: against the Wild where they won nine to six, but
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  Speaker 2: coasted to a five to two victory last night, and
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  Speaker 2: the Colorado Avalanche, who were the best and most dominant
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  Speaker 2: team all throughout the regular season, have not slowed it
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  Speaker 2: down one bit here in the Stanley Cup playoffs. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get into all of that a little bit further with
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  Speaker 2: Adrian Denny when he joins us later on in the show.
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  Speaker 2: I know that we're in the off season right now
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  Speaker 2: for college football and the NFL and the other You know,
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  Speaker 2: America's real pastime, football is on its sort of painful
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  Speaker 2: hiatus where all of us are waiting and watching. And
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'll dip my toes in the UFL waters and
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  Speaker 2: see what that looks like. But college football is doing
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  Speaker 2: a good job of staying in front of the nation
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  Speaker 2: and making sure that they've got some reason for people
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about them. And the American Football Coaches
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  Speaker 2: Association has recommended changes to the college football calendar that
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  Speaker 2: I think we need to get into here. One of
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  Speaker 2: the most important parts of this change proposal and why,
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  Speaker 2: why why are these influential?
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  Speaker 3: Why do these matter?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the last time we had a conversation about the
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  Speaker 2: AFCA making a recommendation, that was the transfer portal going
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  Speaker 2: down to a single window. You remember this about this
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  Speaker 2: time last year we were talking about a vote, a
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  Speaker 2: discussion being had from the American Football Coaches Association. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to be one transfer window. We wanted to
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  Speaker 2: be a January transfer window beginning of the year transfer window,
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  Speaker 2: and my pushback on that was and in some ways
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  Speaker 2: still is, Although I've accepted the inevitability and the change,
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  Speaker 2: my pushback on that was what make make it after spring,
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  Speaker 2: make guys.
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  Speaker 3: Stay for a whole year.
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  Speaker 2: You get fallballed, then you get springball, and if it's
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  Speaker 2: not working the way you wanted it to, that's when
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  Speaker 2: your transfer comes in. And I still think it should
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  Speaker 2: be a one time transfer penalty free and after that
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  Speaker 2: you are penalized by transfer, and that may end up
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  Speaker 2: be a change that comes into college football. There's this
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  Speaker 2: five for five plan. The single transfer plan is part
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  Speaker 2: of that. No official word yet, although there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of momentum and support for some of these reforms. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: there will be legal pushback on whatever reform comes into play.
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  Speaker 2: But right I think that the American Football Coaches Association
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  Speaker 2: recommendations are actually in a lot of ways, and I
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  Speaker 2: won't say immune from pushback, but resistant to pushback because
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  Speaker 2: you're not taking opportunities away from student athletes with the
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  Speaker 2: changes that they are recommending, not meaningful ones anyway. So
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  Speaker 2: one of the important proposals is the season would end
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  Speaker 2: by the second Monday in January.
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  Speaker 3: Season ends second Monday in January.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, how about we just end the season on January first,
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  Speaker 2: or make it January second for the National Championship game,
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  Speaker 2: make it the first Monday in January instead of the
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  Speaker 2: second Monday in January.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I plot and appreciate a Coaches Association athletic It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: Where the source comes from.
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  Speaker 2: The adults in the room, who I have so often
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  Speaker 2: referred to as being absent, as being thoughtless, as being irresponsible.
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  Speaker 3: These adults in the room have said.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, let's dial it back a little bit and
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  Speaker 2: let's go ahead and end this season. We'll do it
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  Speaker 2: the second Monday in January this year, that is January eleventh,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, college football season.
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  Speaker 3: Would be over.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was pre CFP date. That was the date
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  Speaker 5: that before before the expansion of the CFP. I should
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  Speaker 5: say that was typically when it was so a week
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  Speaker 5: earlier it is much better.
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  Speaker 2: So why do I say, well, let's just move it
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  Speaker 2: on back this this January twenty The next Monday in
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  Speaker 2: January is going to be January fourth, all right, So
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  Speaker 2: who hates.
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  Speaker 3: This idea nobody.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think if you ended the season in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven, this upcoming twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven season,
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  Speaker 2: you ended it on January fourth, with the National Championship
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  Speaker 2: game you have played on the previous Friday, that would
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  Speaker 2: be the New Year's Day, big time Bowl games. You
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  Speaker 2: probably you can let Army Navy play on January January second,
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  Speaker 2: maybe and have the exclusive window there.
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  Speaker 5: That's there. They're rose bullish with, as you know, with
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  Speaker 5: their date. They're like, we have to be the we
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  Speaker 5: have to be the second Saturday in December.
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  Speaker 3: We have to be And so that'll be tough. That'll
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  Speaker 3: be a tough sell to those.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the exclusivity window that they want to maintain. If
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  Speaker 2: you push, if you adopt the rest of this proposal,
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  Speaker 2: I've haven't gotten to yet, they.
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  Speaker 3: Can't have it. They can't have that.
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  Speaker 2: December is going to be filled with playoff games. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have that exclusive date anymore. And the big
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  Speaker 2: bowl games, the New Year's six games, they don't want
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  Speaker 2: to move off of New Year's Day. They want those
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  Speaker 2: still to be affiliated with a college football playoff game.
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  Speaker 3: Something has to give.
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  Speaker 5: There, right, Like I said, Rose Bowl is very stubborn
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  Speaker 5: about New Year's Day. Sugar Bowl has has been that
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  Speaker 5: as well, but not quite as stubborn as the Rose
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  Speaker 5: Bowl is, but that's been a mainstay. And then yeah,
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  Speaker 5: the it'll be something's gonna have to give. And and
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  Speaker 5: like you said, Army Navy probably more of a Hey,
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  Speaker 5: like you guys aren't the Rose Bowl. I'm sorry, you're
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  Speaker 5: you're great, you get all, you got all this history.
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  Speaker 5: We love it, but like either the Rose Bowl may
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  Speaker 5: have to move or you're gonna have to move, and
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  Speaker 5: we'd rather the Rose Bowl stay on Year's Day.
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  Speaker 3: Might be what they do.
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  Speaker 2: I am all for Army Navy having its own day.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's spectacular, absolutely, But Army Navy ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: years out of one hundred, and we'll now moving forward
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  Speaker 2: one hundred years out of one hundred, is not going
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  Speaker 2: to be a college football playoff, nationally competitive, nationally relevant
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  Speaker 2: from like like a crowning a champion sort of standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: not gonna be relevant in that way. So give them
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  Speaker 2: a day in February. No one's gonna care. We'd be
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  Speaker 2: we would all love.
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  Speaker 3: To see it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh like a little bonus game anyway, So why
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  Speaker 2: why do I always have a problem with the fine
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  Speaker 2: print of these AFCA things.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you say, all right, we're gonna end the.
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  Speaker 2: Season the second Monday in January, and you're gonna keep
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  Speaker 2: the transfer portal window open when it is right now,
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  Speaker 2: that means that the National Championship Game, some of these
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  Speaker 2: big time games are still being played while the transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal window is open. The singular transfer portal window is open,
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  Speaker 2: and we know that there's an extension for teams that
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  Speaker 2: are still involved in things like that. But if you
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  Speaker 2: can create more of a clean break where the season
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  Speaker 2: is over and that is when you open your transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal window. My initial thought was like, well, what about
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  Speaker 2: the academics here, And then I remember the academics like,
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  Speaker 2: they don't care when the semester starts.
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  Speaker 3: They don't need to care when the semester starts. The
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  Speaker 3: transfer portal.
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  Speaker 2: Window should open when the season is done, when everyone's
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  Speaker 2: season is done. And yes, that will affect academic calendars,
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  Speaker 2: but when we're talking about power five players, power four players,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me, they don't care. We've all seen we've all
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  Speaker 2: seen the viral like homework assignments for like Dalvin Cook
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  Speaker 2: going around and like all these guys that are now
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL, and this is what their homework look
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  Speaker 2: like at Georgia, this is what their homework looked like
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  Speaker 2: at Nebraska, this is what their homework looked like at USC.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, Okay, they're not here to play school.
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  Speaker 2: To quote one of the greats, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: That's not what it's about.
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  Speaker 2: So open the transfer portal window when the season is over.
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  Speaker 2: That would be my only adjustment here. And so you
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  Speaker 2: either move the transfer portal window back or you move
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  Speaker 2: the games up, all right, which one of those is easier,
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  Speaker 2: probably the transfer portal window, But in any case, the
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  Speaker 2: AFCA recommendation is that the game end the second Monday
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  Speaker 2: in January, which this coming year would be January eleventh.
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  Speaker 5: So typically it's gonna fall between the eighth and like
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  Speaker 5: the thirteenth, right, Like that's what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The AFCA board also proposed calendar changes starting in week zero.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone starts in week zero, so now your week zero
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  Speaker 2: games are your week minus one games.
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  Speaker 3: Love that they gain the extra week, so to speak, right, you.
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  Speaker 2: Reduce open weeks, so bye weeks in your season, you
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  Speaker 2: get one bye week in the season.
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  Speaker 5: Which the Big twelve already doing this year. They've the
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  Speaker 5: first two years that Utah has been they've had two.
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  Speaker 5: They're down to one this year.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: They would preserve an exclusive window for the Army Navy
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: game in December, but allow postseason games to be played
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: on the same day, which means you're not actually reserving
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: an exclusive date for Army Navy.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exclusive means one.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I think that there might be some confusion about what
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the word exclusive means.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: In this particular.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: We're having an inclusive date for preserving an inclusive date
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: for Army Navy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: They've also decided that we want to reduce the minimum
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: number of days between games to no fewer than six,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: which means that you don't have the conference championship game
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: on a Friday after having played late on a Saturday
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: They want to get rid of the conference championship games
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: altogether in order to increase access to the College Football Playoff,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: in order to broaden those strokes to make that a
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: twenty four team college football Playoff. Remember when we were
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: sitting at four and we were like four is not enough.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: What are we going to expand to six?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Or twelve or maybe even sixteen, and everyone's just like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: it's probably going to be six or twelve, and sixteen
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: wasn't even talked about much. And now we have just
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: leap frog right past sixteen and we're talking about a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: twenty four team college football playoff that would of course
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: increase access for everybody. The problem here is that that
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: increased access will once again benefit the Big Ten in
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the SEC more than anyone else. In a twenty four
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: team college football playoff, the Big twelve probably gets three
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: teams in the SEC and the Big Ten get six
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: teams a piece.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: In the ACC gets two or three.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And that would rotate back and forth between the Big
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: twelve and the ACC. And then of course Notre Dame
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: gets in pretty much every day year and one or
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: two group of five and no reservation. Yeah, no reservation
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: for group of five access.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no automatic, but there's typically one or two they're
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: ranked at the end of the year.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: That yeah, the one or two ranked at the end
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: of the year, even this year.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Right in most seasons eight out of ten seasons, nine
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: out of ten seasons.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: The automatic qualifier bid.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: That is reserved for like a James Madison or two
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: lane or something the rankings in unless they are protected
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: by an automatic qualifying bid. A lot of times those
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: teams are gonna be left out by the rankings. The
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: media will vote accordingly, coaches will vote accordingly. The AI
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: overlords that eventually are going to be in control of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: all this are gonna read your algorithm and realize you
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: don't want to watch a UCF in a college football playoff.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: And they're gonna be like, well, I shouldn't say U
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: SEF because they're now a big twelve team, shout out to.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: James Madison, James Madison.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, yeah, that actually isn't what people
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: want to see.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: We've tried that experiment a couple of times.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: So I think that the right thing to do is
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to still preserve automatic access to the college football playoffs,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: even if it's just.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: One of twenty four bids. Yeah, for a non power team.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, in that case, okay, they might get blown
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: out in their only game in the playoff, right, but
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: they're taking the place of a three or four loss
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Power four team instead of a one or two loss
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: Power four team or a two or three loss Power
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: four team like they did this year, Right, so with
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: twenty four teams, I feel like there's still going to
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: be all kinds of there's going to be all kinds
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: of frustration aggravation over a group of five team getting
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: in over an SEC or Big ten team in particular.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: But it in reality if everyone just kind of took
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: a took a beat and went, you know what, they're
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: actually better than Iowa this year, though, So why do
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: you have a problem with that? I shouldn't be as
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: big of an issue as it's probably gonna be made
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: out to be if and when this gets implemented.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So this package puts several things on the table for
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the AFCA says, hey, give us an expanded college football playoff.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Either sixteen or twenty four teams start the season earlier
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: in the season earlier. Something is probably gonna have to
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: give here. I appreciate asking for kind of the whole
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: kit and kaboodle at once and saying no, let's make
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: all these changes together and at least correct our calendar.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: The calendar thing is the thing that is not going
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: to cause a big legal battle with your players and
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: your player representatives. I don't think there's a lot of
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: agents out there they're like, oh, on my client playing
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: on January nineteenth, and you can't stop them. That person
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: is going to spend their time and their energy saying
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: you have to pay my player.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Whatever the proposed changes by the AFCA, the four big
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: ones seem to be getting a lot of momentum. You
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: listen to even just random pundits on radio, you listen
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: to them on TV, they're just like, yeah, I mean,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: this sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Are
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: we okay with losing conference championship games? I was, actually
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised. I should run a poll. I think
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I will run a poll. The conference championship weekend for me,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: has been a lot of fun. Now you can still
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: win a conference championship right the old way before we
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: we haven't been doing the conference championship game thing all
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: that long, with BYU, with Utah, with the teams we've
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: got here, with the Big Twelve, with the you just
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: used to crown them by who who won the regular season.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: You can still go back to that. We still do
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: that in basketball. And then you have kind of the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: awkward Well, you're the regular season champ and we're the
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: tournament champs, so we're both going to hang a banner.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: This actually hate that about college basketball.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Don't hang a banner for regular season championships, but whatever
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And then there are people who feel like, don't hang
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a banner for the tournament.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Champs, don't have the tournament the tournament, but that's never
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: gonna happen.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: So in college football, there's a serious amount of support
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: for hey, let's just get the The conference championship game
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: thing is a waste of time.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you can feel that way.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I literally don't, because some of the best weekends, the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: best memories, the most exciting and interesting times that I
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: can remember in recent years from a Utah football family
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and community perspective, has been those conference championship games.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Has been those conference championship weekends.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Even the heartbreak of losing the Washington and the heartbreak
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: of losing the Oregon and then the triumph of beating
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the Ducks and beating the USC Trojans, like those.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Were big time, lots of fun.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's turn this away stadium into the home stadium.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Like that's good stuff, man.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: That is the You distill that down, you inject it
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: right into my veins.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: That is college football fandom.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: And people are seemingly okay with just being like, we
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: don't need that anymore, and I my problem with it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: The de emphasis of a conference championship game leads to
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the stripping down of the value of a conference championship.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: And then what are we doing.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: We are doing this thing where the only goal that
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: everyone decides worth chasing is college football playoff inclusion. All right,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: but we're expanding the field anyway, so we're automatically devaluing
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: that accomplishment. To me, and I said this before we
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: expanded to twelve. To me, Utah getting into a twelve
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: team playoff just to get into a twelve team playoff,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: if there was a scenario in which you did that
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: without winning the conference championship, I'm not celebrating that the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: way that people want me to. I'm not celebrating that
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the way that other fan bases are. I'm not saying, oh,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: there's we're a playoff team. Did you win your conference championship?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: That's the goal?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: You go into the purity of college football and it's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: just like, what are you chasing? Well, I want to
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I want to beat my rival, I want to win
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: my conference championship, and yes I have to say this part.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: We want to win a national championship, but for ninety
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: nine percent of the schools out there, that is not
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a realistic goal. So you want to beat your rival,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: you want to win your conference championship, and that's kind
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: of your season. You take away conference championship games and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you're eroding the value of those things. Yes, you could
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: still be crowned regular season champ, but there's also gonna
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: be the tie scenario. We've had those before. I don't
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: like losing those. How do you feel about it? Eight
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: seven seven three five to three zero seven hundred. Maybe
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Evan Cohen has some thoughts on this. He's going to
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: join us next. ESPN Radio's Unsportsmanlike is early here on
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred four AM is when they start. Evan
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Cohen of Unsportsmanlike joins us next on The Sean O'Connell Show,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred in ninety two one FM.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: We no.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: You tune to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two to
• 30:12
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• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Shot O'Connell Show.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Welcome in Von Cohen of ESPN radios unsportsmanlike, but you
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: can catch right here on ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: two to one FM if you are up very early
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: here at the Mountain time zone. They start at four am.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Evan Collen, Welcome to the show.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: How are you, sir, great? How are you doing? Awesome? Man?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: We're we're in the thick of these playoffs, so we've
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: paid a lot of attention to the NHL playoffs. Unfortunately,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: our Mammoth are out, and of course the Utah Jazz
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: are far away from NBA playoffs, but hopefully that changes
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: sooner than later, and hopefully the upcoming draft lottery this
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: weekend will help us in that regard. I'm sure you
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: probably didn't pay a ton of attention to what was
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: going on here this time last year, approaching an NBA
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: draft lottery, and it was just anticipation, hope, almost an
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: assumption that the Jazz had done what they were supposed
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to do, They had tanked their way to being terrible,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and the reward would be Cooper Flag and that number
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: one draft pick. And then of course the team fell
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: as far as they statistically were able to fall to
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: number five. The pick ended up working out nicely, but
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the disappointment this time last year was just thick and insane.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And then you fast forward to now and it's strange,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: evan because aj Debon says is probably even more coveted
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: by the local fan base here, but there seems to
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: be a piece an acceptance that it's not gonna happen
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: for this Utah Jazz team. It's an unfair question, but
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: why do you think there's such a drastic difference between
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the two years.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I do remember last year, and I remember it
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: actually got worse because of remember there were obviously what
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: do I tell you, you know, but I remember all the
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: reporting around Ace Bailey not wanting to go to specific teams, yes, right,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: and Jazz being one of those teams, if I'm not
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: mistaken that he wants to go to. But I think
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: it's different for a couple of reasons. So I think
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: the disappointment last year obviously was around a quote unquote,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: let's call it tank to get Cooper Flagg. And while
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: the same results kind of happened this year, it was
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: done a little bit differently because there's tangible evidence of
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: eyes for the future and this being the last year
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: that they're willing to accept doing this, right. I mean
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: when you think about when you make the trade for
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Jaron Jackson Junior, you're basically saying, we think we have
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: something here that is unique to us in the way
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: in which we could put this together. That if they
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: resigned Walker Kestler and they have Laurie Mark and then
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: they have Jared Jackson Junior and Ace Bailey, is what
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: a six ten shooting guard somehow wing whatever you want
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: to call it, and then you add obviously pieces around them.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I think you're looking at it in terms of bigs, right.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I think you're looking at it, and there's so many
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: of them as it is. Cante George obviously, you know.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: I just think that there's tangible evidence that this could
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: be a playoff team in the near future and the
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: days of tanking are officially done, but not because of
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: the lottery to me, more so because of the Jared
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Jackson Junior trade. Now your initial point about the Banston,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: I think this whole thing is really interesting. First of all,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: you know him better than I would. He seems like
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: a really good kid. I could be wrong about that,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: but he comes off like a really good kid that
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: just wants to play basketball. I think that tied to
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Ryan Smith is fascinating in a way. I hope it
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: happens just from a discussion point, because the idea of
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: a majority governor of a team funding a college basketball
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: program and getting a specific player because of his funding,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: and then that player being drafted by his team, Oh baby,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: we are going to have rampant speculation, reckless speculation, with
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: no ammo of any evidence around how he would end
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: up with the Jazz.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I am one who will be stoking those flames. I
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: love I stubbornly cling to the conspiracy of like, how
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: did you reward the Dallas Mavericks for trading Luca to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the Lakers, And maybe this will be the reward for
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz. But then wait, mid season we were
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: given a slap on the wrist, So maybe the NBA
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: is going to use the Jazz as an example for
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: their anti tanking initiatives, which, of course we now have
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: a more cogent sort of rule proposal on. And I
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: want your thoughts on that the Jazz were singled out
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: during the season and said, hey, you can't do this.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: You can tank. It's a timelin or tradition, but you
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: can't do it this way. That's upsetting for people that
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: are important to upset, important not to upset.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: So don't do it this way. Here's a five hundred
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars fine. Is that all the punishment, though? Are
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: they are the jazz?
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: They they paid their money, they said they're sorryes and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: now they're back in the good graces or is this
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: something that we have to worry about in the future,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the jazz being the poster boys for NBA punishment.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: When you said you're gonna to add to the flame,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: flame to the fire, that setup was so great that
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: you just did it, and you did it all like that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: That just did it, because that's set up. It's suggesting
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: the jazz done enough to be rewarded that number one take.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: It's something that it's supposed to be a lottery. I
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: know you know what you're doing. You've been doing this
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: for a long time. I've talked to you multiple times.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I know you know what you're doing. But you just
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: did it. I didn't do this. I want to be
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: clear on this John O'Connell show. I did not Evan goen,
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I don't mean to go third person, did not do
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: what just happened here, which is have to Jazz paid
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: enough money to the league to apologize for tanking to
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: get their choice of a pseudo hometown kid by way
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: of Boston Ja Damansa or Darren Peterson. I did not
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: say that, but you did.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Just to be clear, Yes, I'll accept that responsibility.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, just making sure we're good on that one. Yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: making sure we're good on that one. I don't know
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: that it works that. Let me rephrase. I know it
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: does not work that way. I do not think that
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: is going to happen that way. But I think if
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: you're a Jazz fan, which obviously everyone listening basically is,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I think you could feel good about the damage has
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: been done. The years of bad performance are over, the
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: paying of the fines for tanking are done. You're gonna
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: get a lottery pick this year, You're gonna have a
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: healthy team with some flexibility next year, and you are
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: heading in the right direction. Even if you don't get
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: the number one pick in the draft.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: It is a deep draft, by way.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Can we just play out once they know? Yes, what
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: if they do get the number one picking the dress?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: What if they do it will be what they pick
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: undoubtedly like doubt.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, So then who's gone?
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: A better question would be who's gone?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And maybe maybe you don't move anyone right away because
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you want to tweak things. You want to see if
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Aj could be a point guard in the NBA. You
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: want to see if you could hybridize him in some
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: type of way. Kyante, I think, improved himself and made
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: a case that he should be a part of the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: corps moving forward. It'd be lovely to see what you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: either AJ coming off the bench early in his career
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: or Ace Bailey coming off the bench early in his
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: career could do for your second unit. I if it's
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: not like you're if you even if you get Aj debantsa,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: you're automatically, you know, an NBA championship favorite. You've still
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: got to try to keep up with San Antonio and
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: with LA and most importantly with Oklahoma City. But I
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: mean there's then you have an embarrassment of riches, which
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz I would make an argument have never had,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: even going all the way back to the John and
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Carl years.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: But that's a great answer, and it's you know what,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: the more I look back on it, what a terrible question.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Your answer is no, I'm serious. The era that we're
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: living in is when a guy who scored forty in
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: the NBA Finals last year, who's an All Star, is
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: out and there's like six other guys somehow to replace him.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Because Oklahoma City is so loaded with all of their
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: draft picks under control, signing them early, extending them, and
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: hitting on second round picks, that when Jalen Williams is out,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: not that it's okay, they'll be fine. I'm not suggesting that,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: but they have enough options to replace him. And what
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: I did is I acted presumptively and asking the question
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: as if the Jazz are ready to win a championship
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: instead of just acknowledge there's a lot of guys on
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: that team in that scenario. Let them all play a
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: lot of minutes and then figure out who stays and
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: goes when they are ready to be good enough to
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: potentially win a championship or compete for a championship. And
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: inevitably somebody will say, don't like my role because I'm
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: better than this, and then they flip that one guy
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: for two guys who can continue to contribute. Your answer
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: was way better than my question, and that is the
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: right statement in my mind, the answer is if they
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: get dinner mo one pick or the two pick, no
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: one should go. You all are staying and you all
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: are going to fight this out as teammate. That's the answer.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Great job by you, bad job by me, even though
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: you suggested a conspiracy theory that would take.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: On the lead.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Evan ConA is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: at least indulging in my conspiracy theory fantasies for a second.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we're having this question.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Though, because the overarching theme for me when I watch
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs right now with the backdrop of what
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz Basketball is trying to be is I'm looking
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: at san Antonio, I'm looking at Okac, and I'm going, man,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I really like Lowry Markinen I genuinely do. I think
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: that Jaron Jackson Junior was the right trade to make,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and he's going to help the defense, which is a
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: big problem for this young core. I'm incredibly impressed with
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: what Keyantae George made himself into this year, so I
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: can at the same time as I'm happy about all
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that progress and about getting a top five, I think
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: will probably be a top five pick in this upcoming
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: NBA draft that will actually mean something because it is
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: a deep draft. I'm watching these other teams and I'm
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: going do I really buy it that the changes made
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and the draft picks that are available are going to
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: be enough in today's NBA? Because Victor Webbin Yama is
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: an alien. He's not like you can't even define his abilities.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yet at twenty two years old, he's already on the
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: verge of being the best player in the league on
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: both ends of the floor in many games. And that's
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: what you have to go up against for the next
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: decade plus.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Well, what do you want them to do? Switch to
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: No, I just mean, like this experiment.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I guess my question for you there is, you know
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: you already referenced the trade and the sort of end
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: of the tanking era that the Jazz have been in
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: for the last four or five seasons. Do you buy
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: it that what they have now is going to be
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: enough to make them a meaningful contender?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Obviously I was just being a smart ass on that.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: So I think that the way to do it is
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: the cliche strength in numbers, right, Because if you're looking
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: at san Antonio. Ultimately Wemby's maxed out. Right, They're gonna
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: not ability, I'm saying, financially going to be maxed out. Uh,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: They're gonna have to consider maybe at some point moving
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: one of the guards. And now all of a sudden,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: you know, Okay, we have lesser guys, but they have
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: guys that could be maxed out pretty quickly here, And
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I think the number one concern if I'm a jazz
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: fan and I'm thinking i could be like Oklahoma City
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: and be loaded, But does that even matter in two
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: or three years when Wenby is at his best. Here's
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the number one concern that I would have. It's gonna
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: sound weird, hear me out on this. You actually want
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Wemby to play in as many games as possible the
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: next two years. Now, why would I say that? If
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Wemby continuously plays less and less but has the same
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: impact of dominance, but he plays less than sixty five games,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: he's then not eligible for the supermacs. And why is
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: that important? Because if he's not eligible for the supermax,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: san Antonio actually benefits because then they have money to
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: spend under the cap and under the apron. I think
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: the more he plays, the more money he's going to
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: be eligible to make, the less money they're going to
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: have to use for everybody else. You know what, the
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: real key to the Warriors dynasty was Steph curry injuries.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Because Steph Curry had ankle injuries early on in his career,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: and as a result of the ankle injuries, he didn't
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: initially get a huge contract. By not having a huge contract,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: they were able to sign Kevin Durant in addition to
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Steph Clay and Draymond. But if he had no ankle
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: injuries and he won that guy that we know him
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: to be now early on, they can't sign Kevin Rant
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: because he's maxxed out. He had to take less because
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: nobody was off, they weren't gonna offer him more. So
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: what you need, in a weird way is the timing
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: to work out where it feels like San Antonio is
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: hamstrung relative to the money they're paying. At the same time,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: you have ten guys that can play strengthen numbers at
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: that same time. I hope that made sense, but that
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: in my head it did in my head is a
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: really good point. Don't know if it actually came out
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: that way.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: No, It came out as a really good point because
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I think that myself and maybe everyone else overlooks what
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: you were just talking about. What the you know, the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: ripple effect of not having to pay super Max's does
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: not two teams, but four teams when they have stars
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and they can add more because of it, whether it
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: is because of an injury or in this case, your
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: proposal is that you know, Victor Winbinyama staying below that
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: sixty five game threshold that would take him out of
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: not only postseason award com but Supermax conversations allows the
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: rich to get richer.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: And that's if you think about.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: It this way. Think about it this way. The number
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: one team that I would associate the Jazz with if
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: I'm a fan in terms of where does this group
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: come from, would obviously be the Celtics, right, so because
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: of the ages and because of Will Hardy, right, their
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: experience with the Celtics. So this year's Celtics versus the
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: last few years, the last few years, because the Brown
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: and Tatum contracts hadn't really hit strength and numbers, they
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: had all these guys that were unbelievable, right, and then
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, well, we can't pay this task bill
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: for Zengis has got to go. They let Horford walk,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: they have to trade Drew Holliday, like you know, all
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: these moves that they had to make. Now, they were
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: great during the regular season. But then if you're really
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: based around two three guys and one of them is hurt,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: like in the case of Tatum in a short series,
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: you end up boning a three to one lead. But
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: that's not going to happen to Oklahoma City because of
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: the equivalent of their second best player in Jalen Williams
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: getting hurt. They're still going to be fine because all
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: of the contracts haven't fully hit yet.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Evan calling for another minute or two here on the
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show. Who has the best chance of dethroning
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City?
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Minnesota? Now that's now. I also, if you say to
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: me who's gonna win the San Antonio Minnesota series, I
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: still might say San Antonio. Yeah, but I think so.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I actually think Minnesota has the best chance of doing it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know that they're going to get the opportunity
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: even though they're up one nothing to do it. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: think the Knicks are playing better than anyone else, right now.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: But I just think Minnesota is more fearless than anyone else,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: and I think you need a little irrational confidence to
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: be able to beat this juggernaut that is the thunder
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: who's five to zero in the postseason. Who would you
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: say same question back to you.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I've been I spent a lot of time on
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: this yesterday, and I think I'm probably being lazy by
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: echoing your sentiment. The styles make fights thing matters a
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: lot in this year's NBA playoffs, and I think we
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: saw that in Round one with Minnesota being able to,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: you know, to beat Joker and cause everyone in Denver
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to question the future of that franchise. And you need
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: that defensive presence, that size, I think to take out
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: some of these teams, including Oklahoma City, and if you're
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the only squad that has it and that can get
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you past San Antonio as well, you've got the best chance.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: So I think it is very much a You might
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: not be the best team, but your style and your
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: size make you the best matchup for what we know
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: is I think we know is the best team in
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the league.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Well, here's the most interesting part of this. You know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: none of this actually may come to fruition because on Sunday,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: when the draft lottery rolls around, if the Jazz gets
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: the number one picked, the league is going to fold
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: as a result of the Sean mcconaugh Show. So, I mean,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: that's what we learn here today. I mean, so it
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. Loklahoma City maybe the last champion in NBA
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: history as a results.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: You know, I've had so many people.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Journalists that get to be in the room during the
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Draft lottery come on the show and they're just like,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: all right, dude, you know it's not really a conspiracy.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, intellectually, I know I know that,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: but also emotionally I refuse to accept it. And then
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: last night we had the NHL Draft lottery, and guess
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: what happened there. The Toronto Maple Leafs got the magical
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: number one pick and the San Jose Sharks capitalize on
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: an only five percent chance to get the number two pick.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, ah, I'm gonna find some conspiracies.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: There as well. Evan. It's just who I am.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I love it. By the way, I learned last night
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: the Penn State of the Hockey Program. I don't think
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: I knew that I'm gonna be honest with you.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I don't expect anything, but I hope you have something here.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I do you agree with, disagree with? Support the idea
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: of removing conference championship games from the college football landscape?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Absolutely? Okay, wait, hold on, this is good. I didn't
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: know we were gonna go here. This is great. Okay. So
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: not only do I would? I would I do that?
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Do you know what my bigger pet team is? Why
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: do small conferences in college basketball that are one big
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: leagues have conference tournaments when all you actually do is
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: lose money. People think, oh, it's a huge moneymaker.
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: No, it's not.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: You lose money and then you don't get your best
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: team in the tournament because if they get upset in
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: the conference tournament, and that's much less. But yeah, I mean,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: if we're gonna have a conference championship game and it's
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: going to hurt a conference getting their best teams into
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: the college football playoffs, why would we voluntarily do that?
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: If Sean O'Connell is the best host for the Sean
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: O'Connell Show, why would be up for grabs who hosts?
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: That doesn't make any sense. That's what we're doing. Like, yo,
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: you did all these shows like, yeah, you know what,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: let's see who you know. Why would anyone else post.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I actually don't like this analogy because there's probably
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of people listening right now, just like we
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: would rather have so and so that Sean o'coy, Yeah
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: that idea.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, too real.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Bad, hits close to home.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: But look there there's validity to everything that you're saying.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: My worry here is that when you take away a
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: conference championship game in football, I think it's different than basketball.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: In football, take away the conference championship game, you go
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: back to decorating whoever the conference champ is, and maybe
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: you got to share it every other year with somebody.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: We're just deemphasizing the conference championship as a whole. And
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: for most teams, nobody wants to accept this. We're on
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the Utah station. People don't want to accept this on
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the Utes station. For most teams, that is the pinnacle
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: of your season. The conference championship is as good as
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: it's gonna get. Yes, you could be invited to college
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: football playoff, but it's gonna be Ohio State or Indiana
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: or Alabama.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: At the end of the year.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be BYU or Utah, And so
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: a national championship is an unrealistic goal for ninety nine
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: percent of the college football programs out there, and the
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: expanded College Football Playoff just just furthers that illusion and
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: deemphasizes conference championships as a milestone that's actually attainable.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want that to go away.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I understand that, and I understand it's more
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: than just the you know, the one thing that we're
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: talking about here. I get it, and I just I
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: don't know. I don't like the idea like Miami last
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: year gets to the national championship game. It almost didn't
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: get in.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean but they were.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: They were the best team though all year in the ACC.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Two years ago, Ohio State in a four team playoff
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: would not have made the College footballlayff. They ended up
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: winning the national championship just because we had changed the
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: rules in the year that they needed the rules to
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: be changed. I mean, it's the only reason and Ryan
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Day is still employed. The butterfly effect of all these
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: things is almost impossible to anticipate.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: For sure, And it's funny. I actually thought it got
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: so absurd in that specific example around Ryan Day that
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: I brought up and people laughed at me. But after
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: they won the championship, just like maybe you should just
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: go now, like they seemingly will never be satisfied to
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: this guy, just go, just go to the pros right now,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: call it a day, and just leave because of everything
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: you're just saying, like it's you know, he want a championship,
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: but he didn't beat Michigan, which, by the way, are
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Utah fans now rooting for Ohio State or Michigan in
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: that matchup? Is that curious?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I think that right now there's a lot of Ohio
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: State bandwagon jumpers because there's a lot of salt over
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the way that this exit happened, and more specifically over
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: the coffers being raided and players and coaches that we
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: thought Utah would be able to retain when Kyle Whittingham retired,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: which of course he didn't. We thought they'd be part
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: of the moving forward and then he said, oh, I'm
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: still coaching and it happens to be at Michigan. Guess
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: who I'm taking with me. That's been hard for a
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: lot of Utah fans to swallow.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: And he got a hell of a chief of staff
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: general manager Embarrassonnigerian who Utah fans may not be aware of,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: but that was Bill Belichick's right hand man forever. Everyone
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: that knows him speaks glowingly about him, and he's like
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: the real deal. And Whittingham got him to go to Michigan,
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: which was I did not see that one coming. I'm
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: sure there's a connection I'm unaware of, but he was
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: at BC for a year or two with Bill O'Brien
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: and then Adam Nowhere. Now this guy is a big
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: time guy and he's right in next to Coyle Winningham
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: at Michigan.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Wonderful, great glad to hear it. And by the way,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Colley him.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: I probably didn't need to add that, right because it's like,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: all right, we had this good appearance. I'm all pro
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: talking to Utah. I think it's a great place, all
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: this stuff. You and I get along well, and then
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: I just did that that probably felt like a bad decision.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: When you're setting up, Oh, you got to get up
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: really early to listen unsports, and like at four in
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: the morning, someone out there is like, you know, I
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: may set my alarm a little earlier and I added
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: the Bears Negerian, which had no basis to be included anywhere,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: and now their alarm is still later in the day. Wonderful. Great,
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: I just lost the audience.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: All right, we've all done it.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Evan, appreciate you, appreciate you jumping on in your thoughts. Man,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: thanks so much, and please continue to do an incredible
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: job on Unsportsmanlike.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, I appreciate it.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: That's Evan Cohen.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Unsportsmanlike is at four am on ESPN seven hundred and
• 53:25
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• 53:27
  Speaker 3: And I mean you heard it right there. Evan is
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: just chef's kiss.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: He is excellent at the job, really really really good
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: stuff as always. And by the way, it goes for
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: a few hours, so you don't have to get up
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: to listen to all of it.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: You can, you can, you can catch part of it.
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: Just just to help our guy Evan sleep a little
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: bit better.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: He doesn't get much sleep as it is.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: We're trying to maximize Evan Cohen's quarter hours. Okay, we
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: want him to get a rating from four am on.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: So you gotta listen every minute or don't listen at all.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: It's all or nothing. They're just kidding.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: It's not that's not our policy because everyone's like, I'm
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: not listening to three hours at you.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I was just kidding, guys.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna double up here because I've abused
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: the clock, as is always my way.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: We'll still do the Hot Lunch, but it'll just be
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: at noon.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: On the Shawt O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 54:22
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• 54:31
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• 54:38
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• 54:45
  Speaker 3: The Hot Lunch.
• 54:46
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• 54:49
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• 54:51
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• 55:30
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  Speaker 2: up and down the calendar with the NBA and NHL
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  Speaker 2: playoffs going on right now at Big Willies. All right,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: a couple of things here, Joel Embiid, we talked about
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: it yesterday. I was kind of ranting in favor of
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves and ranting against the
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia seventy six Ers and how they're just kind of opposite.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Ends of the spectrum.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: You got this one superstar who's arguing with the doctors
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: and the medical experts on his team to make sure
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: he can play and contribute, and Minnesota got a win
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: because of it. And then on the other end of things,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the seventy six Ers got blown out by forty points
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and Joel Embiid and company were sitting down and giggling
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: on the bench. Two things cannot happen in the same series.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: This should be like a finable offense. If you are
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: making jokes and cracking wise during a loss on the bench,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: you cannot the next game. Oh also, I can't play
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: in this game because I have some injuries.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Also, my knee hurts so because I was hitting it
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: too hard while I was cracking jokes on the side.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Hip soreness in an ankle spray, And are keeping joe
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: El Embiid out of the game.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: What knee whatever? Yeah?
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: What?
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: In other words, his in other news, his arm is
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: falling off tomorrow because the guy has literally hurt every
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: part of his body. At this point, he had an appidectomy.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: But at the end of the season. Oh see that's
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: what kept him out of the first part of the
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: first round series.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: It's like his body's like, you know what, We've been
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: too hard on the joints as of late.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Let's attack an internal organ.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Let's go with an inflammation or something that needs to
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: be surgically handled. But I don't want it to be
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: the joints. His joints have suffered enough. He's seven foot plus,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: he's almost three hundred pounds.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: We've really beat up the joints already.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Let's let's do something with the internal medicine here and
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the body just got together.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: All the white blood cells had a little conversation.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: It's like, what are we going to what part of
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: the body we're going to rush toward here in order
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: to cause serious pain and inflammation.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: Well, you can't do it to the liver. That's scary. Yeah,
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: nothing wife threatening.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: We don't have harder lung problems. Okay, Hey, we could
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: do gastric distress. You guys want to spend a little
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: time in the colon. No one wants to spend time
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: in the colon. Appendix, All right, let's go appendix.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, the guy is just made of wet toilet papers.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: It sucks so bad because when he plays, he is
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: so good and so fun to watch. He's one of
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: the most skilled big men we've ever seen, right, and
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: the problem is he can't play most of the time.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: And we saw I was talking with my I was
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: talking with my brother. Visited some family over the weekend
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: down south, and we were talking about this as they
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: were as they were upsetting the Celtics in Game seven.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: We're like, he is so fun to watch. We need
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: him to be healthy for the playoffs, for the Eastern
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Conference playoffs in particular, to be even more compelling, And
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: here he is not healthy again.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: It's just terrible luck for him.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: I know he has a lot of haters because of
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: the injury stuff, and he's he's a snarky dude as well,
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: but like, you can't deny how funny he is to
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: watch when he's healthy, and it just sucks he has
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: such bad injury luck.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: What would you rather have on the Jazz, on the Mammoth,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: on your Buckeyes, on the Utes, on the Boston Red Sox,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: on whatever, any team? Just drop this prospect into any team?
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Would you rather have a fragile megastar? I'm talking about
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: like a first ballot Hall of Fame talent who's fragile
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: and always hurt. Or would you rather have an incredibly
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: reliable and durable, like just quality starter, just someone that's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: not like, not a huge difference maker, but just a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: plus player, not a holy like borderline All Star. We'll
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: go borderline All Star, like they make one All Star,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: All Pro whatever game just one time.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: Let's just assume you make the playoffs with either one
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: of these guys, right. That's because obviously you'd if you're
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: not making the playoffs with the solid guy, then you'd
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: rather have the guy who's fragile and you make the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: playoffs with him. So you make the playoffs with either
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: one of the guys. Man, that's tough. I think I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: would rather one playoff run, assuming the rest of your
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: team is set up to maybe win a championship, I'd
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: rather have one playoff run with the fragile guy.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think I would.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, I think it's a reasonable
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: take to be like, because what I remember one of
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: the one of the best shows that I ever remember
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: did during my radio career when I'm out in San Francisco.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: This is before the Warriors dynasty. Right, this is like
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: you were there, like at the at the precipice of it.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: This is when Steph Curry was missing a lot of
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: games with ankle injuries that we just talked about with Heavan.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: Colech getting of them, Mark Jacksonira. It was the end
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: of the march or the end of the Mark Jacksonira.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, And but it's you know, Bo gets on that
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: on that team, Draymond is there.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: It's the whole corps. It's just a different coach basically.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and a less healthy and less present Steph Curry.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: And he was being criticized heavily because of these things, right,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: And we were getting into it, and my coast at
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: the time, Matt Steinmetz has been on this show.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: He's a basketball guy.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: He's like a he's a hoops insider, he's a Warriors insider.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: And we were talking about that and we were debating
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: on the merits of Steph Curry as a point guard.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: And this is of course before he's an MVP, before
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: all these things. And part of the debate was remember
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: what Golden State had already been through with like the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Hardaway and Mullen years that we believe teams that kind
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: of stuff. And we were having this debate and he asked, like,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: what would you rather have a team that's in the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: playoffs for ten years or a championship one year? And
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'd rather have the championship one year.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: It's great to be engaged, to be dialed in, and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: the Mammoth are gonna be in the playoffs for the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: next seven years, okay, and the Utah Jazz hopefully get
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: back to that point. You would trade a run of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: any kind of consistency for one brush with greatness in
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: pro sports one If you could trade one championship year
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: for ten of the years we just saw with the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz, You're like, yeah, I'll take it. Give me
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: one championship and I'll still renew my season tickets for
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: the ten years that I'm having to just go for
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: the sake.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Of going and watching the competition.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: Here's a tougher question for Jazz fans, because obviously we're
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: desperate for an NBA championship. Yeah, you're a Jazz fan.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: He got so close with Stockton Malone. They were in
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: the playoffs every year for twenty years. If you could,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: if you could go back in time and get whoever.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: That's obviously an unrealistic thing because that that senior superstar
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: was not coming to Utubb.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Let's pretend they were.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: If you can go back in time and get let's
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: say Scottie Pippen at the end of the at the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: end of the Bulls Run, he's a free agent signed
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: with the Rockets. Say you get him with the Jazz
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: and they win the ninety nine championship. Would you have
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: traded that the previous at that point seventeen straight years
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: in the playoffs and almost win in the championship a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: couple of those years for that one championship with say
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: Scottie Pippen still in his prime.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: I think I might, And that's why you had to.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: But and that's why people, that's what the fragile superstar
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: offers you. The ideal scenario is you have a durable superstar.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: You have a superstar who's constantly available. You have a
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: superstar that plays every game every year. You've already had that, right.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: You had that with the Utah Jazz, like you said,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: for two decades you had superstar players top fifty of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: all time in the NBA, top three point guard in
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: the history of the league, top three power forward in
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: the history of the league for twenty years together, and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: you did not win a championship.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Durability was an understatement with those two.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: That was their best ability was durability, right, And it
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: didn't give you like it should have given you a championship.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: It would have given you a championship if Michael Jordan
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: did not exist, or or if.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: The Pacers had just gotten one jump ball in Cape
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: seven and that like Jordan did exist, that there were
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: still one loose ball away from maybe a Jazz championship.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: But what Joelle embeat offers you frustratingly, maddeningly so is
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: that brush with greatness?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Is that Tantzing?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Well, if we could keep him healthy for twenty seven
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: games in a row, twenty eight games in a row,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: then he could help us win a championship.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Spence check it's talked about. You know who
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: was at the messy game for RSL. A part owner
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: of RSL, Dave Blitzer, who is the governor of the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: Philadelphia seventy six ers. Spence has told the story the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: last couple of weeks. He he took it, He took
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: advantage of him being there and said, hey, uh, tell
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: me about the sixers. What how do you like He
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: asked him specifically about Joel Embiid and and what Dave
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: Blitzer said is we're riding with him, and that could
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: that won. Those four words tells you exactly what the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: point that you're making. Oh see, they're saying, we have
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: the roster, doesn't matter what seed we are with, the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: seven seed, doesn't matter. We believe we have the roster
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: if that guy's healthy to have a legitimate shot at
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: the NBA Championship. So we are riding with him, even
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: if logically it's like you should cut you maybe should
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: cut ties with the guy because he's never gonna be
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: on the court.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Do you want Joe l Embeid who's available?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Literally, statistically, he's available fifty percent of the time. He
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: has missed forty seven percent of his total available games
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: in his NBA career, and when he plays, he is
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: a bonafide All star.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: He is a big time talent. Now, he's not the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: best big man in the league. He's on the short
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: list though, but he's up there. Yeah, it's like what
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: three years ago when he won the MVP over Nikole Jokic,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: who was the other who finished second and was in
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: line to get three straight.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: It was him.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: Ri Jokic is the best players in the league, is
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: the best big man in the league.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know that where that he's that far off
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: of that, even with Wembin Yama on the scene.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Now, I mean you think those by the way you
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: extend this to baseball, you could extend this certainly to football.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: You could extend this into college football world. Right, Like
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: this is gonna be.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: People are gonna hate me for saying this, and people
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: get mad at me because they feel like I single
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: this guy out too much. But give me Dallan Bentley
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: over Brant Keithy any day. Not because I think one
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: guy's a better player, but like because one is available,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: one plays the position, does what he's supposed to do.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: Is not nearly the dynamic weapon.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Is not nearly the scoring threat, doesn't expand the playbook
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: in any kind of meaningful way. Just is a really
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: really solid player like Dallan Bentley Honorable Mention All Conference
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: type of guy. Brant Keithy at his very very best
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: is a top flight weapon in like positionless weapon in
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: college football, but not available enough. Right and especially in
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: college football and in college sports, when your windows are narrower,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: when a guy's really got in most cases three years,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: sometimes four or five, where it's like, okay, what is
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: this guy? Well, how do we capitalize on this guy
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: in these three years? That's in football, that's thirty six games.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: If you're available for eighteen of those games, and the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: coaching staff has planned around and recruited around and hoped
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: for your ability and has put packages into the playbook
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: for your availability and you're not there, it is devastating.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: And again I'm not saying that to pick on anyone.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: I feel terrible that that's how Brent Keithy's career ended
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: up at the University of Utah, because from a talent standpoint,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: from a versatility standpoint, he should have left here as
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: one of the all time legends, one of the most productive,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: and that, by the way, even without like an extended
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: COVID window. He should have been able to do that
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: with just his ability standpoint. But the fragility becomes such
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: a massive problem. In the NBA. It's less problematic even
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: when you're talking about a Joel EMBIID forty seven percent,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: And you know what, maybe Joel Embiid is not enough
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: of a difference maker with the way the Knicks are
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: playing right now, and maybe that's part of his internal calculation.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: He was on the floor and they lost by forty points,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: so and maybe that's part of his mentality with this
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: where he's just like, dude, like they smashed us when
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: I was playing.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know that it is though.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, we'll get away from this quick tangent here
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: in a second, But I don't know that it is
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: what he's thinking because the Celtics smashed him in his
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: first game back in the Celtics series to go up
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: three to one, and then they end up winning the series.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: So I gotta think that he thinks from the fourth
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: so chance it's it's certainly overly reductive.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: To take any off series and call it like, well,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: this happened in this game, but I was there.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: But I just, man, I don't know Joel Embiid.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I laughed at the way that, like, I really had
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: a good kick out of his when he first arrived
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, the way that he sort of just like
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: refused to accept his superstardom and he would go for
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: like runs on city streets and bad neighborhoods and stuff,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: and they'd be like, uh, is Joel Embiid taking a
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: jog through Kensington right now, which is like a drug
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: addled terrifying neighborhood in Philadelphia?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Excuse me?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: And then they would ask him about it and he'd
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: just be like, yeah, just like just getting to work
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: out it.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: And I just want to be like a man of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: the people. I love that about Joel Embiid.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: If I had to choose between Joel Embiid and like
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Lowry Markinen, well, Lowry's a bad examit because he's been
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: injured plenty of times. I was thinking, I was thinking
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: a one time All Star, but as he has, he
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: been has injured. Give me a good give me a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: good one time All Star that we don't have a
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: personal connection with, like Lowry market and that I can
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: choose instead of Joe Lmbat who plays a lot. Yeah,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: who's who's always available that if I'm one time All Stone,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: if I'm looking at it, I'm going, man, would I
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: rather have that guy or that guy? I think he's
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: still And this is why this is why people go.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: They fall all over themselves to try.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: Hello this year, let's let's use first time All Star
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: this year, Dennyoftia Okay, Portland Trailblazers, who doesn't burst on
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: the scene.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Doesn't miss a lot of games, hasn't missed a lot
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: of games.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, Gordon Hayward, Oh, Okay, Denny have
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: a personal we have a personal connection to him that
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: is not very good, and he was always hurt after
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: he left.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: The I'm especially interested in this because we've got an
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: NBA Draft lottery coming up this weekend where.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Most of these top prospects right are available. But the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: guy who's kind of the number two right in the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: conversation to be number one, Darren Peterson, my cousin Darren. Yeah,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: that's right. Strong family resemblance with Joel Embiid. You just
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: have to accept that this is the way things are.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: And it sounds like they have accepted that in Philadelphia,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: and they're just like, yeah, we got a sunk cost here.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: There's nothing we can do about this. We're riding with him,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: we're paying him, we're doing the things that we're supposed
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: to do, and we hope for the best with him.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: It with Darren Peterson, specifically, he may or may not.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Depending on where the Jazz land, he may or may
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: not be available for the Utah Jazz. Now, some of
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: his availability at Kansas sounds like it was.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Less than.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Less than certain that it was all about physical health
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: and maybe there were some weird other mental things going on,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: or some gamesman ship or some like I don't know,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: leverage plays or whatever. What we know is that Bill self,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: when he got the truth serum, he seemed to kind
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: of hate it. Yeah, and then obviously was talked to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: and was like, Nope, we're going to take the high
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: road here, and so he did for the rest of
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: the season. But if I'm looking at this Darren Peterson
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: as a prospect and I'm just singling him out, it
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: could be anyone who's in that same boat.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, Caleb Wilson at four missed half the season
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: with the wrist injury or the last month or whatever.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Clearly incredible talents.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Right do you say I will take the risk on
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: that guy on the mega talent on the ceiling, knowing
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: that the floor is just absence, because that's really what
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: it is with a lot of these guys.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: You look at somebody like aj Debonsa, you consider what
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: his ceiling is going to be and you're like, wow,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: that's amazing. But then you also look at what you
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: think his absolute floor is and you're like, even that's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: not bad.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: That's a that's a starter. That's a guy probably an
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: all star, that's.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Not bad at all, you know what I mean.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Kingston Flemings, you look at his ceiling and you're just like, oh,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: this could be really great. You also look at his
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: floor and you're just like, yeah, you know what, that
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: probably justifies the top five pick. But when you look
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: at the and of course those guys can get injured
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: too in this serious time too. But when you look
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: at the present information and the floor for Darren Peterson
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: is he is just a problem. He is absent, He's
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: difficult to deal with potentially. And I don't want to
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: be unfair because this was a concern when a when
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Ace Bailey came in and it was not a founded concern.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: Ended up being one of his representatives acting being a
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: bad actor.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was just like there was there was
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: no reason to have that concern. I think with Darren
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Peterson there's a lot more smoke and visible fire.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: So would you rather have that or like, no, one.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Is going to make the case the Kingston Flemings is
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: a better player, a more talented player in this draft
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: than Darren Peterson. Right, if both guys are available, every
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: NBA team is probably going to take the risk on
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson because that's what every team chases, and maybe,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: just maybe that's the right decision.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: But it feels to.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Me like there's an equal likelihood or the absolute possibility
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: that the better pick, even if the ceiling is not
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: as high, is a Kingston Flemings type player because the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: floor is.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Not as low.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: You are making the cross comparison with football and how
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: in football you do go with the durable guy because
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: that because I think a lot more players has a
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: big factor with that.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: But also you.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: Can make up for you can make up in scheme
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: and just guys working really hard, working their butts off
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: and just being available. You can make up for the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: lack of you know, talent upside with that in football
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: much more than you can in basketball.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: I don't even think, I don't even think that people
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: go for the durable guy enough.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but the I was gonna I was gonna
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: mention Lewis Riddick was on the Dan Patrick show NFL
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: Draft Week, and he had a very interesting quote on there,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: and I'm not gonna be able to quote it word
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: for word, so we're paraphrasing here. He said, the draft
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: is for NFL is a risk assessment exercise for for
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: front offices, and so he made the He gave the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: example of like, that's that's probably why Aaron Donald wasn't
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: the first round pick when he was absolutely a first
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: round talent coming out of Pittsburgh and he showed in
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: the he showed in his NFL career. He's he's maybe
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: the best defensive tackle we've ever had, one of the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: best defensive linemen the game's ever seen.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: How'd that guy not be a first round pick?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: Well, his measurables were he was way too small to
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: be a first round pick, right, And he's like that's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: why so gms and team presidents will will say, Okay,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: we see the tape, we see how good a player is.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: If the measurables also add up, I'm less likely to
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: be fired if this guy doesn't work out, because I
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: can always blame it on the guy with the measurables
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: and say, well, it's his fault, it's not the pick
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: was the right pick. He didn't live up to it, right.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: I feel like the NBA is most of the time.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: It's certainly in the lottery, they act the exact opposite.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: They say, well, everything's telling us from an injury stamp,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: injury history standpoint, everything's telling us this guy is not
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: the right guy to pick. But his upside, what we've
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: seen on the tape shows he could be the best
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: player in this draft.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: That's that's It's like the exact opposite.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Which is what like measurables. Measurables is the term that's
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: used all the time, and it is actually hilarious to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: me that evidence on film is not considered a measurable
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: That Trump's other measurables that's tangible. It's like what that
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: is measurable that we have seen it, we've it's concrete,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: like if that if we were if this was a
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: court case, we could absolutely submit that as evidence.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: We have video of the crime, we have.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Multiple angles of how ruben Bain perpetrated these crimes against
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: opposing offensive linemen. And you're worried about his arm length
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: because we haven't had a lot of people be successful
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: with arms that short.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: The reports out there that Aaron Donald was playing his
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: final couple of seasons where he was incredibly dominant. He
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: was playing at a playing of like two hundred and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: seventy pounds, meaning he was giving up thirty pounds plus
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: to every offensive lineman. He was thirty plus pounds lighter
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: than every interior defensive lineman in the league. If he
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: was coming in from the draft at two hundred and
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: seventy pounds, people have been like, you are not an alignment,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: You're not an interior lineman. You're a rush end and
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: we're and you're too short for that. So you're like
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: a ninth round pick. I know that there's not nine
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: rounds like undrafted free agent. Yeah, it's wild the way
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: that we have in a talent evaluation process, we have
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: decided that, especially in football, video evidence of how good
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: you are at the game of football is not enough
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: of a measurable But it's insane.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: It's like a fear the way Lewis Riddick put it
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: on the Dan Patrick Show. And I'd never heard an analysts,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: particularly one like him that worked in front offices before
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: we're in these draft war rooms. I'd never heard anyone
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: say out loud, we will pick the guy. We will
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: pick this safer pick because we're afraid of losing our
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: job if it doesn't work out over the what should
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: probably be a safer pick, because like you just said,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: oh see, we have video evidence of for example, Aaron
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: Donald being the best player in college football at his
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: position at pitt. We're gonna we're gonna bypass him in
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: the first round because whoever at the tackle that year,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: in that draft year, he's taller and weighs more and
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: his arms are longer.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: It's because we're afraid of losing our job.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: NBA, It's like, we're afraid of losing our job if
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: we don't pick this guy who has an injury history,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: who has some other issues, but because he might be
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: the best player in the draft. If everything works out,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: we will lose our job if that guy goes nowhere
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: else and is a Hall of Famer. It's wild how
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: it's like the exact opposite at the top of the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: NBA draft than it is in the NFL draft.
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  Speaker 2: Would you rather have, uh, a fragile superstar or a
• 1:21:15
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• 1:21:20
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  Speaker 2: couple of them in today's Daily Dump. You're familiar with
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: the fan friendly prices at the Delta Center, the progenitor
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  Speaker 2: of this concept. The first major arena that did this
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: was actually the Atlanta Falcon Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: Mercedes been State was to.
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  Speaker 2: My knowledge, the very first big time major sports stadium
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  Speaker 2: that introduced the fan friendly pricing.
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  Speaker 3: Arthur Blank, the owner.
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  Speaker 2: Talked about how he feels like, you know, people pay
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money to get to the game. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna make it possible for you to bring your whole
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  Speaker 2: family to the game. It's the same reason that Smith
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  Speaker 2: Entertainment Group has adopted these things, and some other teams
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  Speaker 2: around the leagues have as well. But Arthur Blank and
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons, they've been doing this for years.
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  Speaker 3: Years.
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  Speaker 2: I've been to I actually went and watched our guy,
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  Speaker 2: Eric Weddle play an away game in Atlanta against the Falcons,
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  Speaker 2: and it was two dollars for a hot dog, two
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  Speaker 2: dollars for a soda, three dollars for nachos.
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  Speaker 3: It was great.
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  Speaker 2: You spend forty bucks to the concession stand. You feed
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  Speaker 2: the whole row of your friends and family. It's good news, right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we have seen all of these terrible, terrible stories.
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  Speaker 2: About price increases, price gouging, especially as it's associated with
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: the upcoming World Cup, which of course is being played
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: here in the United States, Canada, Mexico.
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  Speaker 3: It's a North American World Cup.
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  Speaker 2: I've had several daily dump hits on how much hotel
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: rooms are costing, how much flights are costing. The most
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: ridiculous stuff is like the metro tickets, because in places
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: like New York where games are going to be played
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: at like a MetLife stadium or whatever, it's a lot
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: easier if you jump on public transportation, right, and it's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: supposed to be a lot cheaper if you jump on
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: public transportation. In that case, they're charging like one hundred
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: and fifty dollars to jump on the subway basically to
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: get to MetLife Stadium. It's just bad news. They're pricing
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: soccer fans out of an ability to go see the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: World Cup, and they're making it a corporatized event.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, in New York City area in particular,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: and La two, San Francisco, some of these other places
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: where the games are being played, those big worldwide cities,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: those are the areas that people are already spending tens
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: of thousands of dollars probably for flight and lodging to
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: be from all over the world just for the right
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: to be there. And then you're gonna you're gonna charge them,
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  Speaker 5: You're gonna price scuge them on public transit too.
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  Speaker 3: It's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see New Jersey transit one hundred and fifty dollars
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: round trip fare. Normally that's thirteen dollars Boston Transit express
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: buses and commuter rail options. Shout out to the tee
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: to go to Gillette Stadium ninety five dollars plus four
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: times higher than usual.
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  Speaker 3: Just bad news, right, But guess what.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Our hero of concessions affordability, Arthur Blank. Mercedes Benz Stadium,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: City of Atlanta, great place to go catch a game.
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  Speaker 5: They get to they get to keep the Mercedes Benz
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: logo on the top of their stadium.
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  Speaker 2: The only the only arena that gets to keep its
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: on stadium branding as Mercedes Benz U. He is keeping
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: his fan friendly prices for the World Cup games. You
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: can still I mean you have spent.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: How much more?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: How much higher is the fan friendly prices at Falcons
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: games than the mountain menu prices at Jazz games.
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  Speaker 3: Effectively the same? Oh really? Yeah?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Shout out Yeah, they're really like he's it's kind of
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: like the you know, the the legendary story of the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Costco hot dog. Yeah, they don't make money on that effectively, right,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: And they've had leadership changes. The founder of Costco when
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: the new guy came in, said you keep the hot
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: dog at a dollar fifty or I'll kill you.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: He said that, like this was that's.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Important to Costco and these these prices are important to
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Arthur Blank and the Atlanta Falcons organization.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: Kill you.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: I love this man, because this is also sets up
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: a pretty funny scenario right where you have spent like
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars per seat for your World Cup soccer tickets.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: You got a nice like right front row, second row,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: third row midfield ticket, you spent this insane amount of
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: money on it. You're just like, I'm gonna go get
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: a beverage and you're probably preparing yourself for this to
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: be insane price gouging where it's gonna be like I'm
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: gonna go spend another five hundred dollars on nachos and
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: you walk up there and they're just like, that'll be
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: eight dollars for your soda, your hot dog, and your nacho.
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  Speaker 3: Sir. People are gonna be completely thrown off.
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  Speaker 5: It's too bad there's not any games happening at the
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: Coastal Carolina Chanta Clear Stadium. Aren't they the ones that
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: had free concessions this last year?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: He did that, didn't they?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: It's it's that's that's just too bad. We don't have
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: any games on on Myrtle Beach.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: Let's see, let's see what the actual fan friendly prices
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Mercedes Benz Stadium.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: They're gonna they call it the fan fair menu.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Hot Dogs are two dollars, Soft drinks with unlimited refills
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: are two dollars. Pretzels are two dollars, Bottle waters three dollars.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Uh nachos are three dollars, as is a slice of
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: cheese pizza.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: Does sound very similar to the Mountain menu at the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: Delta Center.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Domestic beer is five dollars for a small, nine dollars
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: for a large chicken Tendy's and fries six bucks.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: That's way to go. Arthur Blake.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited for the first like Argentine millionaire soccer
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: fan that comes in or this, because this, this is
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: not making the news in whatever sports.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Talk radio they're listening to and play iries.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Right, that person gets on their private jet, they fly
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: to Atlanta, they're hanging out, they spent the fifty thousand
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: dollars on the field side ticket, and then they go
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: they're just like, wait a second, this is six dollars.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: These chicken ten days are six bucks. It's gonna be
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: a major, pleasant surprise for everyone. Good on you, Arthur Blank.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: By the way, I always love saying Arthur Blank's name
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: out loud because it sounds like you're saying Blank like
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: Arthur Bleep.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: His name was Arthur Blank, buddy, but that's actually his name.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Good news with a local flair here, Kyle van Noy,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: He's an unrestricted free agent. Currently he is exploring return
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: talks with the Baltimore Ravens.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: He wants to be a raven Or James here we go.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: He also has interest in becoming a San Francisco forty
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: nine er because he's great friends with Fred Warner. Right,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: That's that's it, right.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's other reasons why he wants to go
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: play and San Francisco. Kyle van Ney, let's uh, let's
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: make that happen San Francisco forty nine ers.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: I love that you have to love former BYU linebackers
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: because of because you're San Francisco forty nine ers man
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: and an a BYU legendary quarterback.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: You just have to love them because of there from ninety.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: It's a very strange juxtaposition of like I'm not supposed to.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: I don't want to root for Fred Warner's alma mater,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: but I'm definitely rooting for Fred Warner and Kyle van Ney. Like,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Kyle van Noy has just been incredible in his NFL career.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: He's got a really fascinating story. Also, fun fact, his
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: father in law used to work here. Did you know that, James,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: I did not know that. Yeah, yeah, his father in
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: law used to be a sales guy for ESPN seven hundred.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say he it was the
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: van Neys show Sentinel. That's not that would be his
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: father in law is not law, that's right, father, not
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: his dad. Yeah, yeah, his.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: Father in law and his wife was like pseudo famous
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: for a second. She was a pageant gal. But the
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: father in law worked here with us.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: Now we got a sales job over no idea. You've
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: heard the ads. No, I don't know. I don't know what.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know what his actual last name is. So
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: it's not mister van Ney, but what mister.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Let's see if I have Jim's number, Mister Jim, this
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: is like four phones ago. Probably, Oh, I'm back, I
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: do haven't I'm gonna text him, come on, back.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: I'm texting Jim. Hey, we were just talking about your
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: son in law. Come back and work for us. Let's go. Also,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: bou sucks. No, we'll leave that.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Atlanta, Ted Turner has passed away. Yeah, Turner
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: dad at eighty seven.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: You know what's interesting about about that? John Sterling, former
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: Yankees voice, also passed away days ago at the age
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: of eighty seven.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: What what is it about that?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, what what is it about being eighty seven
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: years old? People die when they're old, That's what that's about.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: This is not This is not wasn't it like like
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrick and who's the heart thraw actor from like
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: the sixties?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: What was his name? Street car name, Desire? What am
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: I doing? I'm blanking? Hey, there's the age. Are you
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: talking about the twenty seven? Yes? Yeah, you also had
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: uh Nirvana? Yeah, Kurt Cobain. Ur Cobain died. It's not
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: like that, James, It's not like that. It's like, what's
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: going on with.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: All these seven curse the curse of eighty seven?
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: How's this happening?
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: No, it's old age, It's it's the deterioration of cellular
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: health in the human body.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair and it's fine. He that's uh, it's
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: a big deal Ted Turner.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Us, they're sports fans.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: We know about we know about TNT, right, that's yes,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: we have that because of Ted Turner. You are probably
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: many of you that are Braves fans out here. A
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: lot of you are Braves fans because our guy Dale Murphy.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: Shout out to Murph the other Murphocie he because he
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: was a Braves great. But also you got to watch
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: people like Dale Murphy out here because Ted Turner decided
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: to put Braves home broadcasts on his TBS superstation is
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: what it was called back in the day. So yeah,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: we a lot of a lot of impact on sports fans.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: Ted Turner founded the cable news network CNN.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, first twenty four hour cable news channel and there's
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: a great documentary about that called Anchorman two.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so they go twenty four hour document Yeah, gave
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: Dan Patrick his start. Dan Patrick's first job I believe
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: at a major network was not ESPN, it was CNN
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: as a sports guy. So I mean, yeah, huge impact
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: on sports. Ted Turner, my.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: Boss, the new boss at the PFL, used to work
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: for him, So I should I should probably send a
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: text or something anyway, that's it's big news in the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: sports broadcasting world because, like we just said, CNN and
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: TNT and the landscape of television changed dramatically because of
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Ted Turner, who has passed away at age eighty seven.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: And how about for you personally, no true TV without
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: Ted Turner.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: And you're telling me there'd be no Impractical Jokers without
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: Ted Turner's life.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: That in itself is a legacy that you should be
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: proud of leaving behind.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: Absolutely no channel that all of us have to only
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: find one time a year during March Madness without Hey,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: unless you're a big Impractical Jokers fan.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: You're telling me that there's no Carbonaro effect without Ted Turner.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Wait, I don't mean to be disrespectful. It's always sad
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: when someone dies, but yeah, a titan of the industry.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: He lived to be eighty seven years old. That's uh,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: that's a you've you've had a good run if you
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: make it to eighty seven and you have the kind
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: of success that that man had.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: He also was a big time philanthropist.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: He donated literally billions, not like the idea of billions,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: literally billions.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Of dollars to different charitable causes. So good for him.
• 1:37:32
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Passing he I was on a podcast.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: And he and he dropped something in that I think
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: should it does exist in Major League Baseball, it should
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: exist in every other college and professional sports league. And
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's our responsibility to push this initiative forward.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how I missed this.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm really bad at this job, Jeff Passon informed
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: me yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know this.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: This is actually on the Rich Eisen Show, which you
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: can listen to right here on ESPN seven hundred and
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: ninety Rich asked him about the success or lack thereof,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: of the ABS system, the automatic balls and strikes being
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: called right now in Major League Baseball, which, of course
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: are you know? The system itself has been implemented pretty smoothly.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: Human umpire calls a striker a ball. If pitcher batter,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: catcher doesn't like the call, they can challenge. The challenge
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: is rapid automated done. I don't know how I missed
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: this part of it when they talked about the implementation.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: According to Jeff Passon on the Rich Eisend Show, there
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: is communication going on throughout the game between the home
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: plate umpire and the human beings behind the ABS system operation.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: So it's not like the umpire calls a strike, the
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: batter says, no, I don't think that was a strike.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: Then we get the little graphic, right, the little imaginary
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: square and the trajectory of the ball.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: Was it inside that square? Was it outside that square?
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: If it's outside the square, batter wins the challenge ball okay,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: and the umpire in every case just has to eat that.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: Sandwich, just like, Oh that sucks. I was wrong.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: But communication with the human beings behind it, it means
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: that the umpire doesn't have to wait until he goes
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: back postgame, watches the tape, evaluates his performance against the
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: ABS system, and it's just like, Okay, I get it.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: I was calling it a little bit too far inside,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit too far outside.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: I was maybe an inch or two off high or low.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: They're told that during the broadcast, they got a little chip,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: they got a little mic in the ear.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: That they can just be like, okay, how far well
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: on that? Oh your that one was way off.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: You got to tighten it in, especially on that right side,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: especially on the inside corner or whatever it is. And
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: so the umpire gets real time feedback on how his
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: mental strike zone compares to the ABS strike zone, and
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: it dials it all in together.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: Like this is how did how did I not know
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 6: this was happening? Did you know this was happening, James?
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: I did not.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: And you're telling me that baseball is the first to
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: acknowledge that, Hey, if we can improve officiating during the game,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: let's go ahead and do that.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: This is why it can be so important for the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: rest of sports.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: The money is there, Okay, I don't want to hear
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: about well, you can't pay another person watching from New York.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: You can't have another person sitting there and watching on
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: a monitor. Yes, you can in big time college football,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: big time college basketball, and of course in every single
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: professional excuse me, professional league, you absolutely can have a
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: James Peterson sitting back there.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: He's got monitors, he's got different angles. It really needs to.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: Be someone with zero efficienting credentials whatsoever.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: Too.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: They just know how to read that. They just know
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: how to use the technology. Well, mister, uh, mister thirty
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: year umpire, I know you thought that was right, but
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: you're actually like five inches off.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: Our guy, Todd Newcomb can do it all.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: In baseball, it makes perfect sense. Your strike zone is
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit wide today. Let's narrow this thing down
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit and then you'll match up. We're going
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: to be perfect by the fifth ending guy.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: You and me, let's go.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really like that would be so helpful
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: if you're the if you're the homeplate umpire. Yeah, absolutely,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Now how do you expand it out to? Well, of
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: course my mind went to football first.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: We see so many things on replay and they're just like, oh,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: this is a whole that was missed. Oh, this is
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: a this is an off side penalty that was missed. Oh,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: this is a If you have a little earpiece, which
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: they do. The head umpire does have an earpiece.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: To communicate, not just a microphone to communicate with everybody
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: in the stadium. He's a he's able to communicate. They're
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: able to get messages to him too.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: If part of the role is and this is like
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: it's a slippery slope, I acknowledge. But if you got
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: to a point where you're just like, hey, man, you
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: know how that defensive end keeps coming to you and
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: complaining about the left tackle holding, he is actually holding
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: a lot. There's a lot of jersey pulling going on.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of like arm around the next stuff
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: going on. Maybe we can dial that back in with
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: a flag here, all right, I'll keep a closer eye
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: on it. I never want to see a situation where
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: there's revision from headquarters of what the player or what
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: the the active officials are doing. But if you can
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: be made a bet better football referee, Hey, that matchup
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: you have out there with the slot corner and that
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: particular receiver, there's a ton of like hand fighting. There's
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: some face mask grab it and stuff like that. Keep
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: a closer eye on it. That improves the game. You
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: don't have to tell them make sure you throw a
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: flag here, Yeah, because you don't.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: That was a hold.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: You need to go back and needed to adjudicate that
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: you need to take the yardists way.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: But if you have somebody who's back there monitoring and
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: is saying.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: This, is like, that's actually a penalty that we need
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: to pay attention to, and then they pay more attention
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: to it, and suddenly the game is officiated slightly more correctly.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: That's a win for all of us.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: I feel like this has the best applications with the
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: strike zone in baseball, which, of course Jeff Passon has
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: said told Rich Eisen is actually happening football games. I
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: think I feel like hockey and basketball it's gonna be tough.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: It'd be a lot tougher because there's so much more
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: continuous movement in those sports, particularly in hockey during like
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: free throws. You could you could have that kind of
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: conversation with with the with the Scott Foster, He's not
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: gonna listen anyway, but whatever with the Zach Zarba in
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: the an NBA official like that there's plenty of downtime
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: during free throws timeouts to be like hockey, there's way
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: less of that. So maybe maybe there's not a great
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: application for this. Maybe there's not enough downtime for this
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: to really be applied in hockey. But the other three,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: the other three major sports, and here at North America,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: you can absolutely apply this.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: Chris Camaronnie was on with Spence Check It's yesterday in
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: the afternoon for an hour and they were talking about
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: how there's been a lot of missed calls they've gone
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: against RSL in recent games, and they were complaining about
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: how Camaradie was complaining about how like they have var
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: the replay system and those guys are able to get
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: into into the ref's ears and be like, hey, we
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: need to look at this, and yet they're still missing
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: these things.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: You could absolutely do this in soccer too. A missed call.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Is something that we all expect, we all understand, we
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: all accept multiple miss calls against your favorite team, against
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: a team that you're betting on, against a team like
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: multiple miss calls do diminish the quality of a sports
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: viewing experience for you. Multiple mis calls, I don't want
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: any one of us to expect perfection from any official.
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  Speaker 2: But if we can dial things in and get them
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  Speaker 2: a little bit closer and coach them up as it's going,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: and never make those conversations public.
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  Speaker 3: Never make that a thing that everyone gets to hear.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: Never make that a thing. But like, also it would help.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Evaluating officials for their assignments, like, hey, this guy, we
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: have to talk to him a lot about stuff that's
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: being missed, Like this person is bad at this, so
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: don't put him on.
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  Speaker 3: The big games. Let's let's put him in the G
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: League for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, Jeff Passing, even though you look like a ventriloquist dummy,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: you are really excellent at your job. And I appreciate
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: you bringing us information that we should have known but didn't.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: Which Eisen show is available, by the way, right before
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: my broadcast on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll just end it with this.
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  Speaker 5: I love that baseball has come up with a way
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  Speaker 5: to improve officiating during the game.
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  Speaker 3: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 5: It feels like let's get let's let's do that with
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: the other sports too. And they did it in a
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 5: way that didn't slow the game down. Aggressively didn't hurt
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: the viewing experience of the game. It really didn't like
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 5: I saw it first at a B's game. I've seen
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: it plenty of times in Major League Baseball.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: I went to a Cubs game when we had fights
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: in Chicago earlier this year and saw in practice there
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  Speaker 2: it's forty extra seconds a game. It's nothing, It's great,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: all right, gotta take a break. We go between the
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: pipes with Adrian Denny next Utah Mammoth. Exit interviews done.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: Did Adrian hear anything from Bear or Bill Armstrong or
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: the captain that he needs to talk about on the air.
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  Speaker 3: We'll find out. On ESPN seven hundred and ninety TWEFM.
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  Speaker 3: That's me and Connor.
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  Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show, your source
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  Speaker 1: to one a half.
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  Speaker 3: Am, Oh, welcome back to the Donald Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in our friend Adrian Denny Utah Mammoth Inside. I
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  Speaker 3: He joins us here in studio. It's always great to
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  Speaker 3: see you, sir.
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  Speaker 6: How are you, hey, Sean, how's it going?
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  Speaker 7: Man?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. Look, not the end that we wanted,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: not the timing we wanted to have it end. For
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: this Utah Mammoth season that's been so incredible. But uh,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: you know, you've had a few days to process now
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: what we saw against the Vegas Golden Knights and especially
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: in that final game at home. Give me, give me
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on the playoffs first, we'll get back to
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: the whole season here a second.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I think when it all ended on Friday night,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: you're just never ready for it.
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  Speaker 7: You know, as you said, there's the big picture, there's
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: the overhead view of it, but what it ends, you're
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 7: just never quite ready. Like you walk into the arena,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 7: you're ready for a game, and then when you walk
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 7: out of the arena, it's just it's over. It's done. Seasons, seasons,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 7: seasons finished over. So it's a weird feeling. And you
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: know that's I think every series in the Stanley Cup
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 7: Playoffs outside of La and Colorado you could look at
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 7: and say, well, if there's a different bounds this way,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 7: that way, if this team closes this out, series could flip,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 7: which is what makes it so fun. So for the Mammoth,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 7: I think they look at it as you know, they
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 7: they played played well. Let in five of the six games,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: had a couple of games they they didn't close out.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: Wish wish they could have and could still be playing,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 7: But that's hockey. I think everybody that loses feels like
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: they they could have won the series, and and they
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 7: could have. It's just all about, uh, what's what's the
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 7: score at the end.
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  Speaker 2: If there is an extra sting, and I think there
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: probably is on some of those losses, it's that you know,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: three third period leads were squandered in this series. Now, again,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: it was an awesome season. They're kind of on pace
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: to where I think they're supposed to be as a franchise.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: It would have been maybe a little head of schedule
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: if they had won this series, but they certainly had
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: a shot to do it. And when they're so tantalizingly close,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: I mean fifty two seconds away from going up three
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: to one, which changes the entire dynamic. And we've already
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: talked about that, but how much how much attention will
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: be paid to that as they're evaluating what to do
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: with the roster, what tweaks to make, how to practice
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  Speaker 2: next year that they squandered those leads.
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  Speaker 7: President of Hockey Operations Chris Armstrong let off his postseason
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 7: media availability yesterday with how disappointed we are that we're
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 7: not playing and was very transparent that we wish we
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: were still playing. We've got work to do to get
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 7: ready for next season. And Andre Turney was talking about
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: the third period leads, the power play got one goal
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  Speaker 7: in six games, and he said, you know, those those
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: are two things that we'll focus on as a group
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 7: as coaching staff, as players. It's a management team, as
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  Speaker 7: an analytical group, and we'll figure it out. That's what
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 7: happens when we have things that we need to fix.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 7: We get together as a group and we figure it
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  Speaker 7: out and we get it on the right track and
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: get it rolling. Power play in the third period were
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 7: two things that really came up there. At the same time,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 7: Chris Armstrong circled back to Vegas and said, they're a
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: heck of a team. They're a playoff season team, they're
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 7: high pressure. They came from behind almost fifteen times in
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 7: the regular season in the third period to win games,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: so the opposition did have, you know, a say in
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: what happened. But being fully transparent, those are a couple
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: of things that they're looking at going in. I will
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: always point back to in the Stanley Cup playoffs, leads aren't.
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  Speaker 6: Really leads.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: Fifty percent of the teams that score first win, fifty
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 7: percent of the teams that fall behind win. But when
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: you're when you're that close fifty plus seconds away, it hurts.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 7: But that the games that they let in, they trailed
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: in four of the five. So but that I think,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 7: you know, just just going through it, and you know
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 7: how it is when when you're on a losing team.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: I can't say that you've ever been on a.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: Losing team, but more of those that I have been
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: on winning teams.
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  Speaker 7: But when you're on a losing team and you're just
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 7: kind of going through a losing season, it just just
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 7: kind of happened, and you win a game and it
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 7: feels like, oh, we just want a game, and it's
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: it's a huge celebration. But but when you're on a
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 7: winning team, you expect to win, and winning doesn't quite
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 7: have you know, the exhilaration as when you're on a
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: losing team. Because you expect to win, but losing kills you.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: The losses are harder than the wins are fun. So Utah,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 7: coming out of this, they're in pain and they know
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: what it is and they want to get back there.
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  Speaker 7: And the other thing, oh see, you know, talking about
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: goals for next year. The players there and Bill and
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: Chris were all fully out in front of Yeah, well
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: we made the playoffs this year and we got to
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 7: get back there next year. That's the standard that we
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: want to have. And just because we made it this year,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 7: that's not necessarily a given for next year. We got
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: to come out, We got to work harder. It's going
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: to be harder to get back. Ten of the sixteen
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  Speaker 7: teams that made the playoffs last year made him this year.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 7: So really the two st Cup finalists in Toronto, three
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 7: top teams were in the playoffs this year, so they're
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 7: not jumping ahead that now we have to win around.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 7: It's we got to get back in there. When you're
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 7: back in there, then you win your round.
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  Speaker 2: We've already talked about this, but there's always these cliches
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: you throw had. Playoff basketball is different, Tournament basketball is different,
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  Speaker 2: Playoff hockey is different, and.
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  Speaker 3: You could see it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the urgency, the speed, the physicality of every single shift.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: And we saw in this Vegas versus Utah matchup, especially
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: like the speed and sort of skill advantage that Utah
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: had manifesting itself in certain scenarios, sometimes to great success.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: You also saw some of the situations at which the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: size and physicality of Vegas was maybe like you could
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: fall into. Well, that's maybe more necessary for playoff hockey.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: So looking at how the way this thing played out
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: and looking at those things specific, is a change needed
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: for this team to not only get to the playoffs,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: but to be successful in playoff hockey? Or can they
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: just refine their speed, their skill, their shot precision, et
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: cetera to a level where even physical disadvantages don't manifest
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: themselves the same way.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 7: Talking to Nicolchek yesterday, he felt that size is one
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: thing for the Mammoth that if they could add a
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 7: piece or to that from a size standpoint, he felt
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: that would be big. Bill Armstrong's identify that from day one.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 7: As you look back at every draft pick that he's
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: made since twenty twenty one, it's six feet tall or longer.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: So it's in the pipeline. It's common the six first
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: rounders that we talk about out and the goalie who's
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 7: also a second rounder, Michael Robbel, but the goal he's
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 7: six foot four, right, there's lots of size in the
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 7: pipeline that's on the way. Utah also being without McBain
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: and Hayton that that's that's one thing.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 6: Bear He was very navigational mentioning that yesterday.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: But it's one thing that stood out to me how
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 7: much they just kind of missed the crash and burn
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 7: of McBain and and and Barrett Hayten too. But for me,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: going into the offseason with this roster, you want everybody back,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 7: you I don't think. I don't think you usually end
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 7: the season you're like, we want everybody back. I think
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 7: they want everybody back. But do you always get everybody back? No,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 7: Because Utah is got business decisions to make. These players
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 7: that are free agents are going to get contracts from
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 7: other teams toss statum. Teams that have, you know, more
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 7: desperation to add pieces and going to throw more term
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 7: in terms of years of length of contracts, more money
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 7: just because they're they're in more desperate situations, while Utah
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 7: is going to stay in calculated and everything that they do.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 7: And you've seen the free agents that they've signed, Kevin
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 7: Stemlin to a two year contract a couple of years ago,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: Nate Schmidt three years, Brandon Tannev three years, you know
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 7: the Kyla Yamamoto on the year to year deal. So
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: Utah wants everybody back, but realistically, you're still looking at
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 7: your your big picture in what you want to do
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 7: in terms of tying up term on contracts, salary cap space.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 7: But with the prospects that are in the pool and
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: coming up, that's not going to affect anything that they do.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 7: They're still going to aggressively try and sign their their
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 7: free agents, aggressively go after the market, but within that
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 7: business plan, and if one of your six first rounders
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 7: comes in and wins the spot, all the better.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: And listening to the player exit interviews and guys that
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: their futures up in the air being asked about it,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: all of them were like, well, I want to be here,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: and you'll see this in the NBA, You'll see this
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: with other NHL teams. Just see this as part of
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: kind of the the exit process for professional sports, where
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: inevitably someone's asked Hey, your contract's up. What do you
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: think about your future? And you'll hear guys give like
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: kind of a coach speak, like a non committal answer,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: or occasionally people are well, I love it here, I
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: want to stay here. I don't remember a time when
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: I heard every person that was asked that question give
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: what I felt like was a genuine and definitive I
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: would prefer to be here than anywhere else, effectively, not
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: in those exact words, but basically expressing that sentiment. I
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: think it's a testament to the culture of the team,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: to what Smith Entertainment Group has built, and I think
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: a recognition. These guys are all hockey players. They know like,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: if I'm here, we're going.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: To be winning.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 7: Everything you just said right there, starting with inside the
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: locker room, it's a good culture. The guys talked about
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 7: Bear in their exit interviews and how demanding he is
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 7: and how high his expectations are for everybody, but how
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 7: there's the human aspect of it, the way he treats
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 7: him his people.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 6: First. You know that several guys brought.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 7: Up how he you know, talks to him in the morning,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 7: goes into the breakfast room, says, hey, how are things going.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 6: And then Bear says, yeah, I do that.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 7: And then we go into the video room and it's
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 7: business and I'm showing video and I'm saying you didn't
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 7: do this, and that's your job. And our standards here
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 7: are what you see. We're in this facility, we're playing
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 7: in a full house. You see how well we're supported
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 7: by management and ownership. We have to deliver here and
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 7: it's not personal, but you have to do your job.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 7: And that's what the guys really appreciate about Bear is
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 7: how much he cares about him as people. But when
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: when they're down to business, it's you got a job
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: to do. And then you you look at the training
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 7: facility best in the NHL. We've talked about it before.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: This is a great place to live and the guys
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 7: appreciate that, and it's it's it's worked out really well.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 7: And we've talked about how they're all scattered about into
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 7: various areas of town based on what fits them.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 6: That's that's another great thing about UH Salt Lake.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 7: For instance, the La Kings all live at Manhattan Beach, right,
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 7: That's that's where their players have gravitated to. And here
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 7: you know, you you you have different areas of town
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 7: in the valley that the guys gravitate to because it
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 7: feels like it feels like home. So, all that being said,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 7: making the playoffs, liking the job that they're coming into
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 7: every day, the boss, the facility, and enjoying what they
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 7: did this year, and wanting wanting more of that.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: At the Delta Center, there was conversation kind of mid
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: season that you know, Bear's future was maybe less than certain,
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: and obviously they made the playoffs.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: How safe is Bear Turney's job.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 7: I think everybody's really happy with the job he did.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 7: And and you know, there's social media, there's everybody with
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 7: with a voice, everybody's entitled to an opinion.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 6: It's a you know, it's a great, great thing about.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: They certainly are, but only like the four of the
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: those opinions actually matter for his future.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, so you get the noise, yeah, And and
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 7: I'll be honest, the noise in the last week has
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 7: been from from what I've seen, like, oh, I wasn't
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 7: I wasn't sure about Bear maybe one way or the other.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 7: But I really liked how he ran things in the
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 7: playoffs and handled his his post postseason media, and so
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 7: I think, you know that the noise out there, like
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 7: when when the team was struggling in November December, is
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 7: actually watched how the season played out and thought, oh,
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 7: he did a did a heck of a job. He's
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 7: a heck of a coach. He's a good man, he's
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 7: got a plan, he's you know, well read on what
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 7: he's doing here. So that's that's how I've felt the
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 7: public perception in the last three four days. And and
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, when you're in the facility and
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 7: you see it every day, I think, I think he's
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 7: in a good spot. He's got one year left on
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 7: his contract. One thing that that Bear said that that
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 7: he kind of evolved in this year, which kind of
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 7: along the same lines. Right, you look down to the
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 7: bench and the team's down four two, and you're you're
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 7: not seeing they're freaking out. And and one thing he
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 7: said this year that he really focused on as an
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 7: emotional guy, as a vocal guy, as a passionate guy,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 7: was staying even keeled on the bench because when your
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 7: boss is freaking out.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 6: If you don't want your leadership losing it, it it
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 6: affects everything.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 7: That the composure of the players is affected they're focusing
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 7: on other external things that you can't do anything about.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 7: And and Bear said, as he focused on on that approach,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 7: he saw his leaders kind of taking over in various situations.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 7: And one thing Monday night, I'm watching that Ducks Vegas
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 7: game and there was that perceived to be missed icing
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 7: call and Joel Quinnville, the head coach of Anaheim, and
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 7: Jay Woodcroft, his top assistant, just started losing their minds
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 7: that the play wasn't blown dead, and I thought it
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 7: affected the equilibrium. The players on the ice could feel
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 7: that they thought it was icing. They saw their coaches
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 7: losing it, and Vegas scored a goal and there was
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 7: nothing you could do about it in the moment. The
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 7: play wasn't blown dead, and I think that that is
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 7: why Vegas scored because of composure that started with the
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 7: head coach of Anaheim and his top assistant, who's been
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 7: a head coach in Edmonton.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: On Monday, I put a question out, Hey, who is
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: your Utah Mammoth team MVP this season? And I think
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of different guys you could build a
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: case for. Got Clayton Keller's name came in. Logan Krause's
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: name came in, Veggie's name came in. Schmaltz I think
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: might be my favorite pick on there. Obviously, Dylan Gunther
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: was your leading goal scorer, so there's there wasn't a
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: consensus anywhere, But you have been closer to this team
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: than anyone, and I think I know that you're gonna
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: have a hard time daring a town to one player.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: But who should we at least be considering as the
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: team MVP.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 7: Who do you think I'm gonna take? Oh see, any
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 7: ideas based on our last year together.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: I think you might be on the same page that
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: I'm on in that Schmaltz was such an important player
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: for this team. The case I made was that he
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: came up so big in timely, even timely regular season wins.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: He probably could have had a better playoff.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: He came up so big in some of these timely
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: regular season games against elite competition when maybe Gunther's shot
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: was off, maybe you weren't getting everything you needed out
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: of the captain. It felt like Schmaltz was the guy that,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: in several different situations kind of pulled things along when
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: the uh the usual suspects were less than ideal and
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: that's that's probably where I came out on it. But
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: I'm very curious to hear your thoughts.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 7: One thirty three goals, seventy four point eighty two games.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 7: I think I think the favorite moment of Utah this
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 7: year for the Mammoths, as we've heard from from our
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 7: fans on Mammoth Daily this week, was smalt stripping the
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 7: puck when Philly had that open net. And it's a
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 7: four to three game caller score six on five of
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 7: the extra attack er gun throwins a game. But what
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 7: Schmaltz did there that that uh, that that was a
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 7: huge point that that sticks in our heads.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: The hustle he showed just to poke check that pick
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: that thing away and to turn it back around was
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is the moment that decided the game,
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: because if you get one more second to handle that puck,
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: then it goes into the open net, it goes into
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: the empty net, and that game ends and you lose
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: that right there.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 3: Even if it wasn't the.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: Most impactful important regular season matchup, all points were of
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: course pretty important for this team in the playoff, in
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: the wild card race, but.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 6: Just the.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: The fact that you're still establishing who you are is
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: a franchise, what your team identity is, and that it
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: was just a good old fashioned hustle play by a
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: guy who everyone in the building would have been fine
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: if he didn't make that play everyone no one would
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: have been like, what Schmaltz doing there?
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: Why did?
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't have been considered a massive mistake for missing
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: that opportunity, But the fact that he he demanded that
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: effort from himself in that situation is a big reason
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: why I.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: Think he's so important to what they're doing this year
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: and of course moving forward.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 7: That was a signature moment him just stripping the puck
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 7: away from Quinn Hughes right after the Olympic break when
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 7: the Mammoth got that big win against Minnesota. He was
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 7: just there for everything that Utah was involved in. He's
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 7: got the eight year contract that starts next year. Mammoth
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 7: weren't gonna let him get to free agency, but really
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 7: impressed with him, and I thought, I thought, man after
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 7: the two playoff games where Keller, schmalt and Krause didn't
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 7: have any goals in games three, four, five, and six,
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 7: they really played the best that I've ever seen him before.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 7: And they were a top ten line in the NHL
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 7: during the regular season, but there was there was just
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 7: kind of that playoff jam, just kind of that look
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 7: in their eyes. And I couldn't have been more impressed
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 7: with Schmaltz, Keller and Krause in the first round. I
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 7: think it's a great sign of to come for the
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 7: Mammoth that those three guys who had never played playoff
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 7: hockey in front of fans before. Well, Small's had four
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 7: games this rookie season, but we're up to the moment,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 7: and as the series went on and as things got harder,
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 7: they adjusted to it and made sure they were still factors.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: Looking at the.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: Rest of the league now, where you obviously don't get
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: to root for the hometown team anymore, the Mammoth are out,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: but lots of stuff going on around the NHL. You've
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: got playoffs where the Colorado Avalanche, they've won nine games
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: straight now and they're undefeated so far in these playoffs.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone is going to be able
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: to slow them down. But as you're evaluating the second
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: round series, what do you like in what are you questioning?
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 7: First of all, I'm totally wrong about what I thought
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 7: was gonna happen in the ABS Wild Series. Thought Minnesota
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 7: would at least get a split. The way that they
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 7: took care of Dallas, I thought, oh boy, this team's
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 7: this team's going straight to the Stanley Cup Final. And
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 7: I don't usually get that feeling after a round of
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 7: playoff hockey. And I guess we know why, because the
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 7: Abs came out and controlled a couple of games, and
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 7: now Colorado looks like they're the fast track team. I
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 7: really thought Minnesota with with Quinn Hughes and they made
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 7: some big additions and they allowed one to five on
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 7: five goal to Dallas in six games. I was really
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 7: impressed with that series. And then Colorado, the team with
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 7: the best record all year, comes out and jumps up two.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 7: To me, that series looks like it's in pretty good control.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 7: Vegas Anaheim. I thought Vegas would win that series because
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 7: of why they beat Utah, just just kind of that experience,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 7: and they said they really didn't like their game the
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 7: other night when they beat beat Anaheim in Game one,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 7: but the Ducks kind of hung tough there. I still
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 7: think that's a that's a Vegas series for the same
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 7: reason that I just said they beat Utah Buffalo Montreal
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 7: seems like it could be crazy like Montreal Tampa Bay
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 7: just played a seven game series, all seven games decided
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 7: by a goal Forben went to overtime. To me, that
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 7: feels like a series like that coming up. And then
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 7: our default sweep Carolina Philly probably ends in five.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: What method does the NHL use to manipulate their draft
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: lottery to give it the first overall pick to Toronto?
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: Is it freezing the ping pong ball? Is it making
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: it a slightly less dense ping pong ball? Obviously I
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: say that's somewhat tongue in cheek, but that was big
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: news yesterday. Last night at the NHL Draft lotteries, we
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: await an NBA draft lottery here in the city of Utah.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: NHL Draft Lottery. You got Toronto with the number one
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: overall pick.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: The last two times they've missed the playoffs.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: I know you know this, The last two times they
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: missed the playoffs, they've won the draft lottery. Last time
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: it was Austin Matthews and now he's threatening to leave.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: So oh, hey, look things are getting better for you here, Austin.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I'm a conspiracy guy on this.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 7: As our old friend Steve Kloukey used to say, never
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 7: a dull moment. They had the most bizarre press conference
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 7: I've ever seen in my entire life on Monday when
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 7: they named John Shaika general manager. And then I didn't
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 7: see the lottery because we were doing some Mammoth Daily
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 7: stuff and I get a text and I said, they
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 7: did not win it, did they?
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 6: And they won it?
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 7: As the world turns in Toronto, So gosh, Uh, some
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 7: teams just have it, man like San Jose picking second
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 7: overall for the second straight year.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: More problematic for the Mammock good night man, and that sucks.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 7: They've already got maclin Sealabrini first overall, Will Smith third overall,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 7: Michael Misa second overall from last year.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 6: They're gonna get another one. That's the one that really ah,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 6: that really, that one hurts because uh, that was it.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: They had a five chance of getting the second overall pick,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: did the San Jose Sharks and got it.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 7: That being said, gotta remember Utah one lottery last year
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 7: jumped up ten spots Caleb Dnoye, which is a huge piece,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 7: huge piece to have, So it's I guess it's pretty similar.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 7: One of the first teams out San Jose jumps up
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 7: wins the lottery. That's why they call it gambling.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: I guess Danoye he scored a couple of goals from Monkton.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 4: Was that right?
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 7: He had a goal and two assists in their game
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 7: seven win yesterday. And another prospect for Utah, Cabe Smith,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 7: a fourth overall pick, is popping in some goals too.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 7: He's a big kid, size size, size, six foot four.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 7: He fought in the preseason. But both those guys, I
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 7: think you could expect to be in camp and be
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 7: a be a factor and if not, start their their
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 7: pro careers in the AHL.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: So it's an exciting time, even though it's a little
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: melancholy for this team to be out of the playoffs. Now,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: from a realism perspective, is this now a staple playoff team?
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: I know we already talked about. It's not just you
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: can't assume you're going to be there. They have to
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: plug some holes. I think they need a new backup goaltender,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: et cetera. But is this now that they know what
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: it feels like the franchise has been here before? Is
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: this something that we should be expecting for the foreseeable future, should.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 7: Be expecting it. Yeah, yeah, doesn't mean they're going to
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 7: make the playoffs ten straight years. Tampa Bay had a
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 7: year in the middle of all of this where they
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 7: just didn't make the playoffs. They had a decent year
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 7: and just didn't make the playoffs. It's I don't want
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 7: to draw a comparison to the NFL, but it's it's, uh,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 7: you know, you don't have the same teams every year,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 7: as I said, ten to sixteen.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 6: But but that's that's the goal, that's the expectation.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 7: And that's why I think it was really, you know,
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 7: really smart of you know, Bill and the players keeping
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 7: the expectation of yeah, we want to get get in
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 7: the playoffs next year, versus saying we want to win
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 7: a playoff round next year because they know how hard
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 7: it is going to be to get back in it.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 7: Because you're gonna have San Jose with a second overall
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 7: pick that could potentially be be there. You've got a
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 7: team like Winnipeg had the best record in the NHL
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 7: last year and didn't make the playoffs. They're going to
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 7: try and make a make a bus to get back
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 7: into it, so, yeah, I don't see a lot.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, you just don't know.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 7: I don't see a lot of There's more Eastern Conference
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 7: pieces out of the playoffs this year that you could
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 7: see getting back in. In the West, you don't see
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 7: as many, if any, But there's always somebody that comes
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 7: out of nowhere and gets rolling. And San Jose's a team.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 6: Oh see.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 7: That's gonna be a huge, huge test for them next
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 7: year to try and maintain that consistency that they had
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 7: for most of this year when they were in a
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 7: playoff spot for most of the year and then tailed
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 7: off late.
• 2:17:39
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• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: doing this through the Stanley Cup playoffs, right heck, yeah, yeah,
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: I'll be here. Okay, we're not gonna let them get
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: out of here yet. Yeah, as long as they're playing hockey. Yeah,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: I'll be here all right. Plenty left to get to
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: On the Sean O'Connell show, we'll do a little cross
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: talk eventually.
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  Speaker 3: It's ESPN seven and ninety two one ff.
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  Speaker 1: You are tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
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  Speaker 1: Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: one am.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. If you were listening.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: At the beginning of the show, we were talking about
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: these proposed calendar changes from the AFCA. The American Football
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: Coaches Association effectively gave us the single transfer portal window
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: last year with this exact kind of proposal.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: Hey, let's let's do this, but just.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: Do it one time, two weeks early January. It's going
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: to be better for all of us. The NCAA world
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: now is a lot more nimble with rule changes. They
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: implemented the rule and this past January is when we
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: saw the first one. They also then followed up and said, hey,
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: no loopholes ghost transfers as they call them, are going
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: to be heavily penalized.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: We're gonna strike you down if you try to work
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: your way around these rules.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 5: If you charge more than a dollar fifty for transfer
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 5: for a transfer, we will kill you.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: That's it. Is that a callback to the Costco hot
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: Dog conversation.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: So the AFCA proposes four major changes to the calendar,
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: one of which is getting rid of conference championship games. Now,
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: I put a poll question out there on Twitter at
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: reloc sports is always how you get a hold of
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: me on social eight seven seven three five three zero
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: seven hundred if you'd like to weigh in there, Uh,
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: are you in favor of getting rid of college.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: Football conference championship games?
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: Fifty five percent say no, forty five percent say yes.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: There's merits to both of these arguments. It's right for
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: me if I'm in the Big Ten or the SEC,
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: I don't need a conference championship game. Right If I'm
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: one of the top four teams in that conference, I'm
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: probably getting an invite to the College Football Playoff Anyway.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: If you're in the Big twelve and they say, hey,
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: we're gonna stay at twelve teams and you're gonna get
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: rid of a college a conference championship game, your conference
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: champion from the regular season is going. Now, that's that's
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: in a normal scenario where you don't have any weird
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: ties right where like, oh, I don't know, Texas Tech
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: and BYU haven't played each other in the regular season
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: and they both have the same conference record, and then
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: they can just figure it out in a conference championship game.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: But we saw this last year. If BYU wins that
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: conference championship game, they beat Texas Tech, then there's a
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: strong chance or a stronger chance that the Big Twelve
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: actually gets two teams into the College Football Playoff. Now, ultimately,
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that would have been good for
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: anyone because then two teams maybe get blown out whatever,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: But that's not how it played, right, You get rid
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: of a conference championship game when you're in the Big twelve,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: when you're in the ACC and more than Big twelve. Really,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: for being honest with ourselves, you're de emphasizing what is
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: has been for many years.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: What is the high water mark of a season in
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: this conference? What is the last time that a Big
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: twelve champion won a national championship in a Texas They're
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: not in the conference anymore?
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, The.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 5: Last time it currently a current Big twelve team won
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 5: national championship was way was that BYU's national championship?
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: Probably?
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know, because Nebraska was another Big twelve team
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: that won national championships before that.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma. Yeah, college football national champions by year. Who am
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: I missing? I do this all the time, just like
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: goes bet forever.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: And then someone inevitably textan is just like, well what
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: about this team that was not so long ago?
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, dang it, you're right, but it has
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: been a little bit.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, obviously, you go, it's been a death
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: grip for Clemson and or Big Ten and SEC teams
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: going all the way back to twenty thirteen that's when
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: Florida State won it. That is not a Big twelve team, right,
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: and then it's SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: It's two thousand and five Big twelve.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: Texas was the last team that was in the Big
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: twelve conference and now they're not in the Big twelve conference.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: You got to go a long way back.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: Ninety five Nebraska, ninety four Nebraska also the ten also
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: in the Big Ten, right, Colorado in nineteen ninety ago,
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: Colorado in nineteen nine.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 5: I was worried it was gonna be nineteen eighty four BYU. Okay,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 5: as the last one of the teams that are currently
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 5: in the Yeah twelve. Wow, that is that's still a
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 5: very long time.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So and again, do I want BYU Utah, Texas
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: Tech Arizona State to sell to people we're competing for
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: national championship. Yeah you are, okay, yes do it. The
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: greatest seasons that Utah has had are conference championship seasons.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: The most memorable seasons you've had are conference championship seasons.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: And you could still win a conference championship without going
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: to a conference championship game. You go back to the
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: Mountain West days, no conference championship game, so oftentimes the
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: final game of the season BYU whoever wins that one
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: is your conference champion.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 3: I like those days. Those are great days. I don't
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 3: like them as much as I like.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: A trip to San Francisco for the PAC twelve championship
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: game or a trip to Vegas for the PAC twelve
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: championship game. Those are awesome, right, And I understand why
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: the power players are just like, let's get rid of
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: the conference championship games. The coaches who are especially influential
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: coaches are in these power and it's it's the top
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: two teams in the ACC, and it's all the teams
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: in the Big all the teams that matter in the
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: Big ten in the SEC that are just saying like
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: we don't need to figure it out with a conference
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: championship game. It's just an extra game on the schedule, yeh,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: where you're playing a top in most cases now a
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: top ten team.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 3: And that's and then you're.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: Supposed to go be part of this college football playoff
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: that we're also going to be in because we're part
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: of this.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: Well, if you're in the Big twelve, you're like, look,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: we might.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 6: Not be in it if we don't have a conference
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 6: championship game.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: Like, shut up, you shut up over there, Big twelve guys,
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: be quiet, we're talking to you.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: Get back in your corner. Be happy.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: We gave you an automatic bid. Look what Texas Tech
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: did with that automatic bid last year. You stink and
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: you just like you don't have much power or much
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: of a case. It's really aggressive in those rooms. Yeah,
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: they're angry, the AFCA coaching representatives. They're angry. So they
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: want to get rid of the conference championship game. I'm
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: waffling back and forth on how much I support that.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: Now they want to get rid of the second bye week, Yes, please,
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: I know coaches might not love that. For a fan,
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: two bye weeks is one too many don't do it.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: They want to get rid of that.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: Fine, I will defer to the expertise of the coaches.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: They want to preserve an exclusive window for the Army
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: Navy game in December, but also asterisks allow postseason games
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: to be played on the same day.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 3: That's not exclusive if it or not by themselves that
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: it's not an exclusive date. Okay, big twelve guy, you're
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 3: talking again. We don't want to hear from you yet. Okay.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: They want to reduce the minimum number of days between
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 2: games to no fewer than six, So no Saturday game
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: than Thursday game. Great, wonderful. Yeah, this is not the NFL.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: Here's the deal. They also want to move the season
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: start to week zero. They want to be done by
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: the second week in January. They want the National Championship
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: game to be the second Monday of January. This is
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: all a bowing down to the almighty transfer portal when
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: it comes to this scheduling stuff, which I don't feel
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: great about. But on the other hand, I applaud the
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: coaching the coaching fraternity for saying, like, guys, let's be
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: realistic about this.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 3: This is kind of the start of every season. Is
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 3: this January window?
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: Figuring out our roster with the transfer portal and deciding
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: whether or not we have something good going on. I
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: don't want that to be going on with twelve different
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: Bowl games in the background, and with your national championship,
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: semi finalist, quarter finalist, and eventual champs, the most relevant
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: and important teams in the land hitting pause on their
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: roster construction. So a robust plan to change things around
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: from a calendar standpoint, and I think sooner than later
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: they will vote on this and they will pass, if
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: not all of the reforms, they will pass most of
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: these reforms, including pushing the season forward a week. Week
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: zero games will now be the week one games. Week
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: one games happening in what we used to call week zero,
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: and week zero games will be week minus one, and
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: we're talking mid August for those games, like.
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: The same time high school high school football starts.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: And I've seen some pushback. Well, students aren't even on
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: campus yet, okay, and I.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 5: Mean going back to the high school. My snarky high
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 5: school comment I just made. There are fall sports that
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 5: start in high school before the first day of school.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 5: Like there's soccer game, there's girls soccer games, there's there's volleyball,
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 5: games that they take place a few days before the
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 5: first day of school.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every high school season, we had a game before Yeah,
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: before the season of the school year began. Also, you
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: know when else, students aren't on campus during all of
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: bowl season?
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: And how about the College World Series.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 5: They they've been out a school for like a month
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 5: with the baseball teams and the softball teams.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: I fully acknowledge that you want to maximize the student
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: section and the participation of the actual student in these things,
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: but let's not pretend that the schedule in college football
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: is catered toward the fans.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 3: Is kid, it's it's for the television networks.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the postseason postseason of them of every sport
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 5: except for except for basketball, and I guess the winter sports,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 5: those are the only those are the only postseasons where
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 5: school is actually still going Like this is not the
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 5: spring and fall semesters, postseasons are going on school is
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 5: typically out.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: I mean yet right now, the National Championship games, the
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: semi final and quarterfinal games, the New York Six games
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: are played on your break.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not on campus, And people.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: Are like, well, yeah, we don't care about that because
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: you're you're not playing on your home campus. You're going
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: all over the place like, yeah, but you still like
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: you still expect the fans to be there, You still
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: expect they're to be fans there.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Do I not see a bunch of Taco
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 5: Bell graphics every time they talk about the students and
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 5: every one of those games? Is that not the Taco
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 5: Bell students section?
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, if it is a
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: better television plan, that it is a better plan for
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: the for the calendar, If it works with ESPN, ABC, CBS,
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: if it works with your broadcasting partners, then it's gonna work.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: And the coaches just want to be able to separate
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: their transfer portal from their actual practices. That's what they
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: really want. Please don't make us do all of this
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: at once. Remember three years ago, two years ago when
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: there was a December transfer portal window, the early signing
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: period which has become the main signing period, and college
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: football playoff and bowl games and all this stuff happening
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: all at once. If you were a football coach in
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: that time, you had literally no moments in your day
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: that you could just be like, hey, honey, how are
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: you are?
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: The kids still doing well? I'm sorry, I'm alive.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: I haven't been home for seven straight days.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 2: It's just that I'm trying to convince this kid to
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: not enter the transfer portal, while also convincing a kid
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: at another school to enter the transfer portal, while also
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: telling a high school kid that we're gonna give him
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars to come here, while also doing
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: film prep and coaching my guys because we have a
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 2: meaningless bowl game, or we have a very meaningful bowl game. Also,
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: I'm interviewing for other jobs right now. All that was
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: happening all once.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: Bananas. I'll say this, I I am.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 5: In general, I do agree with getting rid of conference
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 5: championship games in general. There are some specifics about it
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 5: that you outline OC that it's like, I don't know
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 5: if I want that to be the case necessarily, but
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 5: in general, I'm okay with it. The other alternative I'd
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 5: like to have is, I believe what they do in
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 5: the American Conference is that instead of the tiebreakers being
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 5: you know, based on conference record and win percentage against
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 5: common opponents and those kinds of things that were used
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 5: to seeing the seven step tiebreakers were used to seeing
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 5: they just go the tiebreaker is whoever is the highest
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 5: ranked team in the College Football Playoff rankings, they're the
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 5: ones in line. They're the ones first in line to
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 5: make the conference championship game. If we're gonna keep conference
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 5: championship games, I'd like all the conferences to do something
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 5: like that so we do not have to have convoluted tiebreakers,
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 5: and we don't have Duke winning the ACC and not
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 5: not going to the College Football Playoff and Virginia instead
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 5: of Virginia and or Miami going to the playoff last year,
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 5: it's Miami goes in over maybe a more deserving in
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 5: a lot of case. A lot of people thought maybe
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 5: more deserving Notre Dame team or whatever, right.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: Like that, and they played all the way to the
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: national championship. But also remember when we were like, hey,
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: is twelve teams the right number? Maybe at sixteen, they're
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: leap frogging right over. They're going twenty four, baby, which
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: you won't hear me complain too much about, because that's
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: what the FCS does, and it works out nicely for them.
• 2:33:18
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  Speaker 6: You look very presentable today.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: Oh I went this morning to the Brighton High School
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: signing day. Oh okay, my little UH for my little nephew,
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: I'll call him shout out. I guy Grady Bell is
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: going to UH Southwestern college in La or in San Diego,
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: excuse me. And he's continuing his football career and I
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: love the dude and I'm very proud of him, and
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 2: they invited me to come down and see it, so
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: I thought i'd.
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  Speaker 6: Put on a shirt.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 8: I mean, you're a handsome guy no matter what, obviously,
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 8: but there are a few days where you roll in
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 8: and it's like, man, my guy was on daddy duty.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 8: He barely got clothes on to do the show. And
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 8: today you look like prime bouncer Park City Live.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 3: Oh yikes.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you looking like you're in good shape. You got
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 8: the pythons showing, you got the tat showing, you got.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 3: This particular brand of shirt they like.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: They make the belly have extra fabric so no one
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: sees your belly, okay, and then they make the sleeves
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: small and the chest small so.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 3: It looks like you're muscular.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 8: Well, you are muscular. Did you get targeted on social
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 8: or did you go.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 6: Try that on?
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: I think my wife got targeted on social Okay, like
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: stop being married to a dad bod.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny bring that up.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 8: One of the things that started to depress me a
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 8: few years back and it's like, dude, you got to
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 8: go get in shape. Was I started getting targeted by
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 8: like hey dad, bod check out this shirt, stop spying
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 8: on me phone?
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's yeah.
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: You know I'm being targeted by the algorithm right now
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: with this one particular brand of deodorant.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 3: They don't they don't advertise with us. Uh huh.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 2: But it's like one of the brand new like lotion
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: deodorant things or whatever. They're just like, get this deyodaant. Yeah,
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: how can you tell the phone that I smell back? Yeah,
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: leave me alone. It's it's rude.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 3: I have good hygiene.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 6: And it's also a fine line.
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 8: Like when you know, if you decide to start wearing
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 8: like form fitted shirts, it's kind of like the friend
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 8: that gets divorced and he goes and hits the gym
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 8: and he thinks he's ready for the shirt and he
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 8: shows up at dinner with the shirt on. You're like, dude,
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 8: first of all, proud of you for for exercising. Keep
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 8: doing that, but you're not ready for that shirt. You've
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 8: got about three or four months before you can actually
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 8: wear the form fitted shirt.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 8: When you start getting target start start getting targeted by
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 8: aggressive dad Bod clothing, Like, man, this is I'm not
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 8: old enough to have dad Bod yet. So anyway, good,
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 8: uh good, good solid shirt game for you today.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 3: Well thanks. Let me ask you something that I'll get
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 3: out of your way, all good.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: Would you rather have a fragile megastar or a reliable, durable,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: always playing like borderline star, like a one time NBA
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 2: All Star versus a Joel Embiid.
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 8: That's a really good question. I'm always like, give me
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 8: the talent guy, let's figure it out. And you know,
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 8: I've told this story a few different times over the
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 8: past couple of weeks because Dave Blitzer was in town
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 8: for the messy game, and of course as a basketball guy,
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 8: I wanted to talk about the Sixers, talk about you
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 8: know what the deal was currently with them, and they
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 8: have Embid left three years max money and it's a
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 8: ton of money to pay a big that is aging
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 8: and hasn't stayed healthy.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 6: And so I just kicked the time like what do
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 6: you guys, where do you got with Embiid?
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 8: And he said, look, we're we're gonna ride with him
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 8: because we believe if we can have one spring window
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 8: with him, we can beat anybody.
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 3: In the lead.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 8: The problem is they've never had one, and honestly, like
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 8: Game one against the Knicks, he looked hurt, he couldn't run.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 8: Karl Anthony Towns is running circles around it and that
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 8: he was out. Yeah, exactly so So for me, I mean,
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 8: I want the most talented player possible, but there's a
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 8: case to be made on the other side for a
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 8: guy that simply just as reliable and shows up. And
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 8: then best case scenario, right is a guy like Lebron
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 8: who is about to turn forty two and is still
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 8: playing deep into the spring every year. I mean, Oklahoma
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 8: City has shown a masterclass in how you do this.
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 8: There are dudes that you've never even heard of that
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 8: come off the bench and drop twelve and shut down
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 8: the like Isaiah Joe. Calm down, dude, You're not supposed
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 8: to be as good at basketball. They're so freaking deep.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 8: They're without their second best player in that game last
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 8: night wasn't even close. If I had to choose based
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 8: off the spirit of the poll question, I still would
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 8: take the Superstar because everybody in pro basketball always points
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  Speaker 8: to the Pistons in two thousand and four. It's like, congratulations,
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  Speaker 8: you found one team in the last forty years that
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  Speaker 8: didn't have one of the top four players in the
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  Speaker 8: league that won a championship.
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  Speaker 6: You have to have that.
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  Speaker 8: And it really brings into a conversation about who the
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  Speaker 8: Utah Jazz are. We'll see what the lists look like
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  Speaker 8: when they come out next year. The Jazz might not
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  Speaker 8: have one top twenty player in the NBA. They might
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  Speaker 8: have two, like top twenty five ish guys with Lowry
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  Speaker 8: and Jaron Jackson Junior. And that's why Sunday the lottery
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  Speaker 8: is so paramount, because if you can get a top
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  Speaker 8: three pick, maybe you finally find the thing that you
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  Speaker 8: have to have if you want to win a championship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because my initial reaction to even that
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  Speaker 2: my own question there is just like, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: a fragile anything, right, give me the guy who's gonna
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  Speaker 2: show up and be there. But also, the Utah Jazz,
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  Speaker 2: the prime time of the Utah Jazz, the prime era
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  Speaker 2: of the Utah Jazz had megastars that were the most
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  Speaker 2: durable things that have ever come through the NBA, and
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  Speaker 2: it didn't guarantee anything because of the talent on the
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  Speaker 2: side of that equation. Because they had, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: were going up against the basketball god and they were
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  Speaker 2: basketball demigods, and it's just like, sorry, your talent or
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  Speaker 2: your durability and talent put together are awesome, but that
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  Speaker 2: is a supernova and there's nothing you can do against it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you're right. And Mike did that to the Knicks.
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  Speaker 8: He did that to the Jazz, he did that to
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  Speaker 8: the Sonics, he did that to the Sons. Charles Barkley,
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  Speaker 8: Sean Kemp, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing,
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  Speaker 8: Jeff Van Gundhi, Jerry Sloan, they all have one thing
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  Speaker 8: in common. It's that Mike did it to everybody back then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Ye.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the Drive with Spence checks. Thanks for
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  Speaker 2: listening to The Sean oldcnall Show. Will do it again
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two NFL