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Dad kills naked, masked intruder in young daughter's bedroom · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A father in the middle of the night. Here's a noise,
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  Speaker 1: didn't he hears the dog barking her head off. He
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  Speaker 1: goes into his little girl's room and there he spots
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  Speaker 1: a man wearing a mask and that's all just a mask,
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  Speaker 1: standing in his daughter's room in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: What would you do well this guy shot him dead?
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  Speaker 1: Is he now looking at a grand jury indictment? Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace? I mean, is he Grace? This
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  Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Let's
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  Speaker 1: kick it off with Fox ten News reporter Justin Lame
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  Speaker 1: For Aaron Latowski, his sole responsibility is protecting his wife,
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  Speaker 1: three kids, and their nanny. Don't forget the family dog, Sadie,
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  Speaker 1: who Latowski says alerted him late last night to a
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  Speaker 1: break in. And so I came inside and I saw
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  Speaker 1: that one of our side doors was open, and she
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  Speaker 1: was barking down the hall towards my kid's bedrooms. Right away,
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  Speaker 1: Latowski says, he grabbed his shotgun. Meanwhile, the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the family was asleep. We never would have known. We
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  Speaker 1: would have continue to sleep and sleep through it. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm just so thankful. Latowski went into his daughter's room,
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  Speaker 1: where he says the suspect came out with a large
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  Speaker 1: piece of wood, his face masked and his body naked. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: joining me, and I'll start panalty, break it down and
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  Speaker 1: put it back together again. First of all, Kirk Nurmi,
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  Speaker 1: I know you know that name. He represented Jodi Arias
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  Speaker 1: at trial and as the author of a book Trapped
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  Speaker 1: with miss Arius Parts two and three My final words
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon Awesome work near me. Karen Stark, renowned York psychologists,
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  Speaker 1: joining us. You can find her at Karen Stark dot com.
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  Speaker 1: The director and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, doctor Kendall Crowns, the Deputy medical Deputy Medical
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  Speaker 1: Examiner for Travis County, Texas. That's Austin Crimeline dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Investigative reporter at Levi Page and special guests Joining me.
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  Speaker 1: The founder of Class Kids Foundation, Mark Klass. Mark Klass
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  Speaker 1: has spent his life trying to right wrongs find missing children. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: this is after the kidnap and death of his little
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  Speaker 1: girl Polly. And I remember Mark, class when you jumped
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  Speaker 1: up out of your seat in the courtroom and made
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  Speaker 1: a lunch to get your hands around the neck of
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  Speaker 1: the guy that took Polly. I remember that Mark class well, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: you know I was. I was in a situation similar
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  Speaker 1: to doctor Lakowski of predator broke into the house and
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  Speaker 1: attempted something with my young child, and I always regretted
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  Speaker 1: the fact that I was unable to do to that
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  Speaker 1: individual what doctor Lakowski ultimately did to the guy that
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  Speaker 1: broke into his little girl's room. And that's exact revenge.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. The reason why is because
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  Speaker 1: we tell our children from the time they can understand us,
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  Speaker 1: from the time we first see them, that will do
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  Speaker 1: anything that we can to protect them, that they're safe
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  Speaker 1: as long as they're under our watch. Now, those are
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  Speaker 1: easy words to save, but in practice it's almost it
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  Speaker 1: is virtually impossible to play out because you just can't
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  Speaker 1: hover like a helicopter over your children all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And on the rare occasion, as in doctor Lakowski situation
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  Speaker 1: and is in Pauli situation, the bad guy gets the
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  Speaker 1: upper hand and is able to do whatever in the
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  Speaker 1: world is in their twisted mind. The only difference between
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  Speaker 1: doctor Lakowski and I is that he was able to
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  Speaker 1: intervene and save his child from whatever this character had
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  Speaker 1: in mind, and protect her in a way that this
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  Speaker 1: guy would never get his hands on her again. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why putting this shotgun up and pulling the trigger
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  Speaker 1: twice and being done with it, saving society the pain
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  Speaker 1: of having to go through any of the bs involved
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  Speaker 1: in explaining and justifying what this character had done to
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  Speaker 1: his child. You know, when I think back about the
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  Speaker 1: day that you almost got your hand around the neck
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  Speaker 1: of Polly's killer, I only regret one thing that you
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  Speaker 1: didn't make it, just you know, a few more feet.
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  Speaker 1: You were so close. When I'm looking at this guy,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Aaron Latowski catches a naked mask wearing burglar standing
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  Speaker 1: over his daughter in the middle of the night. The
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  Speaker 1: only way he found out is when dog Saty started
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  Speaker 1: barking her head off. And now there's a move afoot
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  Speaker 1: to have him prosecuted. No, not on my watch is
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  Speaker 1: he going to be prosecuted. And he's not the first
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  Speaker 1: dad to do the same thing. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: ABC fifteen news in Scottsdale tonight, family police be seen
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  Speaker 1: together a deadly shooting in Scottsdale. Investigators say a homeowner
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  Speaker 1: shot and killed a possible burglary suspect inside his home.
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  Speaker 1: It happened last night your Pima and Happy Valley Roads.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives say the family's dog alerted the homeowner to somebody
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  Speaker 1: inside his child's bedroom. When he approached him, Police saying
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  Speaker 1: the alleged intruder was naked and charged, the homeowner telling
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  Speaker 1: police he fired two shots to protect his family. Scott
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  Speaker 1: Steel police were trying to find out if this was
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  Speaker 1: connected to another break in down the road earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the evening. To kirk Nermie, renowned defense attorney and author
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  Speaker 1: A Trapped with miss Arius now Parts two and three,
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  Speaker 1: My final words on Amazon kirk Nermi. Apparently some people,
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  Speaker 1: like defense attorneys are arguing at this poor guy, he
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  Speaker 1: was just confused and he has a mental ailment, and
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  Speaker 1: he just wandered into this home. And he didn't make
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  Speaker 1: a move towards the daughter or toward doctor Aaron Latowski.
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  Speaker 1: He was just standing there and that doctor Latowski basically
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  Speaker 1: executed him. Well, of course that's allowed to bs, but
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  Speaker 1: that is what is being argued in some corners today.
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  Speaker 1: How can a defense attorney argue such a thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the guy was standing there with I think a big
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  Speaker 1: piece of wood which is, by the way, what Buddy
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  Speaker 1: used at I think it was the ky Omega House
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  Speaker 1: in Tallahassee to blood of people to death, A piece
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  Speaker 1: of woody just picked up outside and he's naked. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: I know you're intent when you show up in the
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  Speaker 1: bedroom naked. I don't need a prosecutor and tell me motive.
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  Speaker 1: So how can defends attorneys say that with a straight face?
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  Speaker 1: Kirk n Army, Well, it'd be clear. I'm not in
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  Speaker 1: that camp, and I don't quite understand the argument because
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  Speaker 1: the doctor here in this situation is not obligated to
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  Speaker 1: assess the mental health of the perpetrator that's in the room,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, naked with a deadly weapon. He's not
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  Speaker 1: forced to do that. The law in Arizona states that
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  Speaker 1: he can defend himself and others. And we see that
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  Speaker 1: his daughter was somewhere like three to five years old
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  Speaker 1: by the pictures. He has every right under the law,
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  Speaker 1: under Arizona law to protect his daughter from that imminent attack.
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  Speaker 1: So that argument falls on death airs with me as well. Nancy, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you, that's everything that I just said.
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  Speaker 1: But my question is about the camp that is promulgating
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  Speaker 1: now that is saying that this guy shows up innocently,
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  Speaker 1: was confused as a mental ailment, and that he made
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  Speaker 1: no move towards the daughter and no move toward the doctor.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're hearing now. It will be a cold
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  Speaker 1: day in h double l before this case is ever
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  Speaker 1: gets conviction in front of a jury. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to Fox ten News reporter Justin lum Letowski went into
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  Speaker 1: his daughter's room, where he says the suspect came out
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  Speaker 1: with a large piece of wood, his face masked and
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  Speaker 1: his body naked. He basically was lunging at me, so
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  Speaker 1: it was very quick. He had his hands in the air.
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  Speaker 1: I could see something dark or black coming at me,
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  Speaker 1: and again it was very very close, so I fired
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  Speaker 1: almost immediately. Two shots killed the suspect, police believed to
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  Speaker 1: be an eighteen to nineteen year old man. The Latowski
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  Speaker 1: say this was the first break in at their home,
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  Speaker 1: but they have always been prepared. God bless America and
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  Speaker 1: the Second Amendment. I'm glad I was able to protect
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  Speaker 1: my family. God bless the police for coming so quick
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  Speaker 1: to take care of us. He is not the first
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  Speaker 1: so called vigilante. Dad. Take a listen about a guy
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  Speaker 1: named Jeff Dussette. Now this is from my old boss
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  Speaker 1: at Court TV. Ducette, a karate instructor, had abducted eleven
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  Speaker 1: year old Jodi Plochet several weeks earlier and taken him
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  Speaker 1: to California. When Jody was rescued and returned to his family,
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  Speaker 1: his father, Gary was coping with reports that Dussette had
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  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted his son. We didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 1: You just feel helped us. Ten days later, when the
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  Speaker 1: police flew to set back to face trial, Gary Cloche
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  Speaker 1: was waiting with a gun. As a suspect came through
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  Speaker 1: the airport already, my camera raced it up to get
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  Speaker 1: a close up shot of him, and so I got
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  Speaker 1: a close up shot, and as he got parallel to me,
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  Speaker 1: Garry Cloche shoots. That's exactly what happened. This man, Jeff
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  Speaker 1: do say son was abducted by his karate instructor and
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  Speaker 1: confronted with the news that his little boy had been
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  Speaker 1: sex molested by the karate instructor. The moment the instructor
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  Speaker 1: was extradited back to home to her for trial, he
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  Speaker 1: stepped off the plane and the dad shot him dead.
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  Speaker 1: Very akin to what has just happened crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about a homeowner who
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  Speaker 1: here's the dog barking there in Scottsdale, goes to find
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  Speaker 1: the door open, looks immediately in his children's room and
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  Speaker 1: finds a naked man wearing a mask, which is significant
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  Speaker 1: as long as you're talking about intent or motive. He's
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  Speaker 1: obscuring his face completely naked, holding a club, a piece
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  Speaker 1: of wood of some sort. So he shoots some dad.
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  Speaker 1: Now there is discussion that he, the dodger, should be prosecuted.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever going to happen, but he
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  Speaker 1: is by far not the first vigilante Dad. Speaking of
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  Speaker 1: Garritt Cluchet, take a listen to this. GARRYT. Clochet shoots
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  Speaker 1: and kills him. Gary Why Gary Why? And to this
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  Speaker 1: day it stands out in my mind. The shooter, Gary Plosche, says,
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  Speaker 1: if it had been your child, you would have done
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  Speaker 1: the same thing too. Today, Abram McGaugh is an assistant
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  Speaker 1: US attorney and views that tape through the eyes of
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  Speaker 1: a federal prosecutor. I would have to say the videotape
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  Speaker 1: was the most ideal witness in this case. He actually
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  Speaker 1: see him, take the gun out of his boot, pull
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  Speaker 1: it up to the shoulder lever of Jeff du Sett
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  Speaker 1: and pull the trigger and shoot him yet plochet. After
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  Speaker 1: pleading no contest to manslaughter, got off with only five
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  Speaker 1: years probation. So he was the prosecuted. He was convicted.
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  Speaker 1: He got straight probation to mark class, joining me in
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  Speaker 1: the unique position to address what doctor a TASKI did.
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  Speaker 1: What went through your mind when you saw your daughter's kidnapped? Well,
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  Speaker 1: when I I mean when I saw him. The thing
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  Speaker 1: that immediately struck me was his inability to make eye
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  Speaker 1: contact with me. Just the overall cowardnesses of the individual
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that this big Montro guy was hiding
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  Speaker 1: behind the law, which so many of these characters do.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why doctor Letowski is a hero to me.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't let so called criminal justice get in the
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  Speaker 1: way of him taking care of the business that needed
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  Speaker 1: to be taken care of. Now, if this guy had
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  Speaker 1: been taken and he had been put into a system,
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  Speaker 1: he would have been out in a few years, and
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  Speaker 1: you would have perpetrated again and again and again until
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  Speaker 1: this guy would have ended up like Richard Allen Davis,
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  Speaker 1: the guy that murdered my child. So I think that
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  Speaker 1: doctor Lekowski as an American hero, and I applaud everything
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  Speaker 1: that he did, and I'd shake this man's hand if
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  Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to do so. I'm with you
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  Speaker 1: two percent as usual, Mark Class joining me, Director of
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  Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, Cheryl jump in, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that parents not only have the right to
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  Speaker 1: protect their children. I think it's their duty. And when
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  Speaker 1: I hear somebody like Mark Tall, here's what resonates with me.
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  Speaker 1: When does that threat stop for your child? Having to
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  Speaker 1: put your child through a hearing where they've got to
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  Speaker 1: see that person in the eight or four feet from them,
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  Speaker 1: and they've got to talk about what occurred to them
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  Speaker 1: and what that person did to them. That child may
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  Speaker 1: not understand why are you not keeping this person from now?
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you stop it now? So again, I believe
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  Speaker 1: when our founding fathers made it the Second Amendment, there's
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  Speaker 1: a reason it's number two. It is number six in
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  Speaker 1: number seven, minute, number sixteen, it's number two. It's important
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  Speaker 1: for us to protect our children and leathally when necessary.
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  Speaker 1: To Doctor Kendall, Crown's Deputy Medical Examiner of Travis County, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: That's Austin. Austin, doctor crowns. I'm trying to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of what the other doctor in this case, the homeowner,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Aaron Letowski is saying, because I firmly believe that
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  Speaker 1: while people lie all the time, forensics don't lie. And
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  Speaker 1: I believe that if you look at the trajectory path
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  Speaker 1: of the bullet that went through the perpetrator asked naked
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  Speaker 1: man standing over the little girl's bed in her bedroom
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, when the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the family was all asleep, I believe the trajectory path
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  Speaker 1: of that bullet will corroborate what the doctor, the dad
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Letowski says, How can that be? How can forensics
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  Speaker 1: corroborate his story? Well, there's a few things, so he
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  Speaker 1: can can corroborate the story of the fact that he's nude.
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  Speaker 1: When someone is shot wearing clothing, bits, some pieces of
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  Speaker 1: the clothing can be dragged into the womb track and
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  Speaker 1: it can leave fragments of the clothing. So you could
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when the bullet goes through, say your shirt,
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  Speaker 1: tiny fragments of your shirt go into your body via
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  Speaker 1: the bullet. Yes, I can Okay, that's correct. That way
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  Speaker 1: you could prove he was naked. You could prove how
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  Speaker 1: he was the position he was standing in based on
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  Speaker 1: if the boat's going from to back left riot the trajectory,
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  Speaker 1: so you can get an idea of how he was
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  Speaker 1: facing and how he was standing. And also if the
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  Speaker 1: doctor shot him at close range, you can get stippling,
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  Speaker 1: which is the gunpowder or gunpowder tattooing on the skin
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  Speaker 1: from the gunpowder actually embedding in the skin itself depending
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  Speaker 1: on the range of fire, which you won't see in
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  Speaker 1: an individual who has clothes on trying to take in
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  Speaker 1: everything you said. Back to the trajectory path of the bullet,
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  Speaker 1: would you explain that one more time? Sure, so, if
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  Speaker 1: the perpetrators facing him, as the doctor says, and comes
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  Speaker 1: at him with the piece of wood, when the bullet
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  Speaker 1: hits the body, it should hit like the chest area
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  Speaker 1: and then exit out the back. And so you would
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  Speaker 1: know based on that trajectory that the person was facing
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  Speaker 1: the shooter when they were shot, which again would corroborate
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  Speaker 1: the story that the perpetrator came at him. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to to take a listen again to our
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  Speaker 1: cut to Fox ten Knees reporter Justin Lum because there's
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  Speaker 1: something significant for whensically in what he says. Listen. Latowski
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  Speaker 1: went into his daughter's room, where he says the suspect
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  Speaker 1: came out with a large piece of wood, his face
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  Speaker 1: masked and his body naked. He basically was lunging at me,
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  Speaker 1: so it was very quick. He had his hands in
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  Speaker 1: the air. I could see something dark or black coming
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  Speaker 1: at me, and again it was very very close, so
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  Speaker 1: I fired almost immediately. Two shots killed the suspect, police
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  Speaker 1: believed to be an eighteen to nineteen year old man.
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  Speaker 1: The Latowski said this was the first break in at
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  Speaker 1: their home, but they have always been prepared. God bless
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  Speaker 1: America and the Second Amendment. I'm glad I was able
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  Speaker 1: to protect my family. God bless the police for coming
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  Speaker 1: so quick to take care of us. Did you hear
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  Speaker 1: what he said, doctor ken Crowns. He said the suspect
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  Speaker 1: had his hands in the air with something dark in
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  Speaker 1: one hand lunging toward him. What difference would it make
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  Speaker 1: in the bullet trajectory path if the perpetrator the burgar
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  Speaker 1: had one hand or both hands in the air holding
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  Speaker 1: the wood like a spear or a baseball bat and
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  Speaker 1: going forward, lunging forward toward the doctor, the dad Aaron Latowski,
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  Speaker 1: how would that change the trajectory path? So he could
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  Speaker 1: change the trajectory path in the if the individual is lunging,
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  Speaker 1: saying their body is kind of tilted forward, you can
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  Speaker 1: see a difference in the entrance and the exit wound
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  Speaker 1: heights based on how the body is tipped. As far
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  Speaker 1: as the hands being up in the air at the sites,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it would change anything in that regards,
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  Speaker 1: but the lunging would change the trajectory path. And also
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  Speaker 1: we know that the prosecutors or the crime scene texts
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  Speaker 1: will look for gunshot powder residue not only on the victim,
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  Speaker 1: but the dad himself victim perpetrator, that is, the guy
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  Speaker 1: who shows up in doctor Letowski's home, buck naked, wearing
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  Speaker 1: a mask and brandishing a hunt of wood, standing over
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  Speaker 1: his little girl's bed in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 1: in the dark Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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  Speaker 1: are talking about claims among some camps that this doctor
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  Speaker 1: who shoots down a guy in his own home home
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  Speaker 1: standing over his daughter's bed, buck naked in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a night used excessive force. Now, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: anybody on this panel, even kirk nermy, agree with that,
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  Speaker 1: But it's happened before or a so called vigilante dad
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  Speaker 1: has actually been prosecuted. Take a listen to ABC News reporter. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: a frantic father called nine one after finding a farmhand.
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  Speaker 1: He sues Flores allegedly sexually assaulting his little girl. The
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  Speaker 1: Lavaca County District Attorney's office released the dramatic call. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the nine one on the audio is just part of
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  Speaker 1: the evidence presented to a Lavacaunty grand jury who chose
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  Speaker 1: not to indict the father. District Attorney Heather mcmihn tells
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  Speaker 1: us why, and under the law in the state of Texas,
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  Speaker 1: deadly forth force is authorized and justified in order to
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  Speaker 1: stop and aggregated sexual assault or a sexual assault. All
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that was presented by the Sheriff's Department and
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  Speaker 1: by the Texas Rangers indicated that that was in fact
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  Speaker 1: what was occurring when the victim's father arrived at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: When that dad goes after the guy lesting his little girl,
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  Speaker 1: he ends up facing a grand jury who is there
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  Speaker 1: to indict you. Take a listen to another ABC News
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  Speaker 1: reporter for neighbor Michael Vay to the decision not to indict,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't surprising. He grew up with a young man,
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  Speaker 1: went school with my kids. Great guy, I mean, calls
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  Speaker 1: me mister Weiss, yes or no, Sir, will Manner kid
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: prosecutor say. You can hear the young father trying to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: say Flora as in the nine one one audio, I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: don't know nothing, man, I know what to do. I number.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: They hopes his neighbor's family can now recover My man
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: actually lost his life. It's sad, but I think justice
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: will serve that day. In that case, the dad goes
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: all the way to a grand jury to Kurt Nermy
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: why that's a good question. I mean, we just heard
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the kid of the just a attorney there earlier talk
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: about how Texas law allows for this sort of defense.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: So I guess the question in the prosecutor's mind might
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: have been did it go so far? Did it exceed
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: what he needed to do to protect his daughter? Based
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: on everything I've seen, it didn't. But that must have
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: been the question that they put me for the grand jury.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Did he go too far? Tomark Class, founder of Class
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Kids Foundation, What do you make of that dad being
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: taking all the way to a grand jury when he
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: goes after the guy who he sees molescing his daughter. Yeah,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I remember this from your last show. We covered this
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: case before, and it stood out at that time too.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: This guy was doing something that every father in America,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: every father in the world, would do. I think this
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: is primal, I really do. I think this gets down
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to a very elemental state of being, and I think
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that you'll find this anywhere in the animal kingdom. He
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: did what he is internally programmed to do. He protected
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: his child. Why they had to take it to the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: grand jury, perhaps they had to show that there was
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: some semblance of a justice system involved in this, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: don't know. But the way it resulted, the fact that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he was able to walk away from this with a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: clean conscience, not to mention the guilt that he's going
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to have to carry for the rest of his life.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: We're just even occurring to his daughter. I think that
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: ultimately justice was served and I hope this young man's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: been able to get on with his life because again,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: like the other doctor, like doctor Leakowski, this man is
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a hero and I'd love to give him a hug guys.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't turn out this way every time. Take a
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: listen to MC fifteen mobile Alabama news anchor. A defense
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: lawyer says authorities are overreacting with a murder charge against
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a Coleman County man charging killing his daughter's sexual abuser.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Forty one year old Jay Maynor is charged with the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: shooting death of fifty nine year old Raymond Earl Brooks.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: The family says that Brooks was sexually abusing. Mayner's daughter,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: who is now speaking out about the incident, was so young.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I don't remember when it started, but when I finally
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: told someone I was eight, for the first time in
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: my life, I do not feel scared. For the first
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: time in my life. I do not wake up feeling fear.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Coleman County investigators couldn't confirm whether the two thousand and
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: two sex abuse case had any connection to the shooting,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: but Brooks was a registered sex offender. The Coleman County
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office reports Jay Mayner will be charged with first
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: degree murder, attempted murder, and shooting into an occupied dwelling.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Mark Klass, did you hear that in that particular case,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: this girl, Julie Mayner says she was sex abused by
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: her adoptive grandfather, Raymond Brooks for years. Then the dad
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: finds out and goes and shoots him dead. Then he
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: is actually prosecuted for murder. Did you hear that? Yes,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: of course I did. And these are two events that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: occurred at very different times in everybody's life. The little
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: girl was being abused by the step grandfather for many,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: many more years. Then he was punished for having committed
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that crime. I think he was abusing her for three
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: years or four years, and he spent less than two
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: years behind bars. And it was only many years later
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: when the young daughter, not so young anymore, talked to
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: her father about all the emotions that she had gone through.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: The fact that she's still haunted by this event in
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: her life is the trigger that set him off. And again,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it's a matter of protecting your children. It's primal, it's elemental. Guys.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to w VTM NBC thirteens jeff eliasof
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Julia Mayner was only twenty four years old, but for
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: most of the those years she suffered through unshakable memories.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: My granddad Molesbie as a child, I don't I vaguely remember,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like I can still remember his smell, which is awful
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to me. Her grandfather, Raymond Brooks, who adopted her mother,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: was convicted of molesting Julia repeatedly until she was about
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: eight and a half years old. He served twenty seven
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: months of a five year sentence, got out, and then
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: two summers ago, Julia's father, Ja exacted revenge. He shot
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and killed Brooks on Monday. Jay Mayner, seen in Julia's pictures,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: took a plea deal and is going away for forty years.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: For Julia, the pain of the past is rushing back. Well,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I overcome PTSD from a little while, you know, I mean,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I overcome that, and now I'm having to re overcome
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: something that has it happened in fourteen fifteen, sixteen years,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a multigenerational tragedy that keeps developed. Her adoptive grandfather is dead,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: her father now in prison, perhaps for the rest of
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: his life. Yeah, Mark Klass, that is just pass Awkwards.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: That's rock forty one years because you shoot your daughter's molester.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I think I still have Mark with me. If not,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Cheryl McCollum. I think Cheryl's gonna
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: agree with me. Oh, I completely agree with you, honey,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and not just that I have an issue with the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: word revenge. I don't think it's revengeful at all. Again,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: when does that threat stop? When does her mental trauma stop?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Of him being out, of him being in that community,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: of him popping up at her favorite restaurant, not being
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: able to go to the library, not being able to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: go to church, not being able to go to the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: grocery store without the threat of your rapist being there.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a brand new case. It was so called Vigilante Dad.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: His name was doctor Aaron Latowski. Take a listen now
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to our friends at Fox ten. This is justin lum
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: for Aaron Latowski. His sole responsibility is protecting his wife,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: three kids, and their nanny. Don't forget the family dog, Sadie,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: who Latowski says alerted him late last night to a
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: break in. And so I came inside and I saw
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that one of our side doors was open, and she
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: was barking down the hall towards my kid's bedrooms. Right away,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Latowski says, he grabbed his shotgun. Meanwhile, the rest of
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the family was asleep. We never would have known. We
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: would have continue to sleep and sleep through it. So
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just so thankful. Latowski went into his daughter's room,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: where he says the suspect came out with a large
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: piece of wood, his face masked and his body naked too.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Karen start joining me, renowned psychologists joining us out of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: New York. Karen, when you heard Mark class say it's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: something primal, how do you interpret it? You're the one
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: with the psychology degree. You know. The whole time that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Mark was talking, and whenever I'm on with him, I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: really do tend to agree with what he's saying. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: do know that that is something that parents feel. They
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: really do feel that their purpose is to take care
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of their children. I've also known parents when their child
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: dies and there was nothing they could do when they
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: had an illness, something that killed them. Still feel guilt
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and responsibility that they never get over because they believed
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they were meant to take care of their children. Now,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know what father, in his right mind wouldn't
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: do exactly what doctor Aaron Latowski did. Yes, thank to you.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Levi Page clim online dot Com investigative reporter Refreshee with
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the facts, Doctor Eron Latowski. It's about ten thirty, eleven
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: o'clock at night, and what exactly happened? But Nancy, it's Scottsdale,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Arizona's around eleven o'clock at night. And doctor Aaron Latowski,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: he's a urologist. He'd been working late and he got
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: home and when he walked in the door, he noticed
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that the Doberman, which is a great guard dog, Sadie,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: was barking near his daughter's room. He opened the door
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and this man was naked, wearing a mask, not a
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: mask that you wear to go to the grocery store
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: during a pandemic, but a mask covering his entire face.
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  Speaker 1: And he said that this man had a piece of
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: wood in his hand, his arms were up in the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: errand he lunged at him, and he shot him twice
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and killed him. And this is what is really odd.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Police have not been able to identify that masked man
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that he shot and killed. Wow, that's really odd. How
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: do you do that, Sherylmann com how do you not
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: know the dead guy is naked in the bedroom. Well,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: clearly he didn't have a wallet on him. We don't
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: have ID. Nobody's reported him missing, so they're gonna have
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to use finger prints or some other means to identify him.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: At this point, even I'm thinking back over what if anything,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: else he could have done to Mark Klass joining me
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: found of Class Kids Foundation? What about it? Mark? What
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: else could the dad have done in that moment? Doctor
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Lenkowski did exactly what he had to do. I mean,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: he was protecting himself a wall, was protecting the rush
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: of the family because this individual was attacking him in
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the dark with a board, with a baseball bat, with
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: some piece of wood that could could have destroyed the doctor.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, he's perfectly within his
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: rights on every level that you we can even imagine,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: for doing exactly what he did. Now, I find it
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: completely twisted that some people think that there should at
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: least be a grand jury into doctor Aaron Letowski's behavior.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: We are learning now, we're just getting that. The victim's
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: name is Cameron Yo Yoe, eighteen year old Cameron yo
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Now where is he from? Don't know what's his history?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Don't know that either. I mean when Cheryl McCollum said
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: he didn't have his wallet, that was a joke because
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: he was completely naked except for a mask that covered
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: his entire face. Guys, this is not the first so
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: called vigilante dad. Take a listen to w TT Fox
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: twenty eight Kelly Joyce. Eighteen year old Raymond Frolander standing
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: before a judge charged with sexual battery, his face swollen
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and bruised. Daytona Beach Police a Frolander was beaten by
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the father of the victim. I attacked him viciously and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't stop. The only time I pause was to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: go to the kitchen and retrieve the butcher knife because
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I was going to kill him. This thirty five year
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: old father, Jason, says he walked in on Frolander, a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: family friend, attacking his son. Jason told police he went
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: out for a bite to eat, and when he came back,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: he heard something in the bedroom. All my sudden, Raymond
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: in the room. He called nine one one. I just
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: walked in front a clone man molesting and I got
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: him in a bloody puddle. For you right now, officer.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: When Daytona Beach Police showed up, they found Frolander unconscious.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: He was taken to the hospital, then to jail. Police
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: say Jason won't face any charges for the beating because
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: he was protecting his child as a crime was being committed.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Police also say Rolander admitted to the sexual battery. Guys,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: we were talking about yet another case where a dad
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: walks in, finds their child under threat and takes action. Here,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: as you heard him say to nine one one, he's
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: got it beaten into a bloody pulp. Take a listen
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to w t T Fox twenty eight Kelly Joyce. This
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: father wanted to show his face and let you know
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: he thinks his son is a hero because I was
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: going to kill him. My son stepped in front of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: me and saved his life. He just left him and said, sir,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: he shook his head and now I just put the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: knife down. I wouldn't traumatize him anymore than he already was.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Jason says his family is trying to heal, but he
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: felt he needed to talk publicly about this case to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: let all victims of sex crimes know they do not
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: need to be to come forward. Everybody wants to do
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the you know, not my family, not my family, or
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: they gotta wait till it hits close to home. And
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: all the nine out of ten of these are an uncle,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a brother, something that Jason tells us his son is
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: in counseling. He says he's a very tough kid who
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: will get through this. He says this has not only
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: affected as family emotionally, but financially as well. To Mark Class,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation, we're talking about who in
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: their right mind would want a dad prosecuted. If you
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: look online right now, there is a movement called Raymond
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Frolander is Innocent. That's the guy that the dad here
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Jason walks in on molesting his little boy. It's Raymond
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Frolander and all these people online have created this side
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Raymond Frolander is Innocent, and they say to the little boy,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: please tell the truth to everyone. Now we know Raymond
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: did nothing to you. What about it, Mark Glass? And
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: we wonder, Wow, why are dad's prosecuted? Yeah, I think
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you just made the closing argument for everything we've been
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier. I think the thing that stands out
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: about me about this case is there's a very precious
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: element right in the middle of it. And that's when
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the little boy stands between his father and his abuser
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and tells him not to go any further, not to
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: kill him, and the father then acknowledges that the son
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: is a hero for taking that very brave stand. But
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: look at the results. Look where it's at now. There
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: are people calling the perpetrator an innocent individual. And you
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: know you're going to find armchair quarterbacks absolutely everywhere, particularly
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: in this day and age, and we just need to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: be protected from those guys. And how could that have happened? Yeah,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll never know. Okay, Mark Klais, are you
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: sitting down? I am? You maybe should lay down on
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: this one. Other people in this group of Raymond fro
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Lanard's innocent actually say this, do you know something more
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: than more about this was something going on between Jason
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the dad and Raymond the alleged molester. Did Jason keep
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: his mouth closed on account of his father's behavior? So
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: they're not just saying they can't be happy. This is
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: what you call an internet troll. They can't be happy
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: saying well, you know, nothing happened, the dad's wrong. They
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: have to then go the other step and suggest some
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: relationship between the dad and the purp. It's it's so wrong,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Mark class speak to it. Well, it's absolutely pitiful. And
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: we see internet trolls going after everybody for almost anything
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that is said or done online. And I don't know
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: who these people are. I don't know where these people
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: come from, but I wish that there was a way
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that we could stop them. But again, there you are.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: The First Amendment, not the Second Amendment, gives them the
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: right to blurt out whatever happens to be on their
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: mind and immemorialize it on the internet. It's pitiful and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: it's sad, and these are people that should be ashamed
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of themselves because they're just doing nothing more than inflicting
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: more and more and more harm on innocent people who
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: are trying to heal from a grievous injury. To Kurt Nermie,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: renowned defense attorney who defending Jet the Arias, and author
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Kart Ermie, I really do not believe that this dad
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: vigilante Dad Aaron Otowski is going to be prosecuted. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: don't believe it's even going to go to a grand jury.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But if it does go to a grand jury, I
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: guarantee there's going to be a no bill. I agree
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: with you. I don't even see it going to a
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: grand jury. I couldn't imagine the County Attorney's office seeking
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: to prosecute. But even if it goes before grand jury,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I would agree with you, Nancy. I think it's not
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: a ham sandwich, but it would still die there as
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: they say, this dad is no defendant. This dad is
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: a hero. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace Scrib's story,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,