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Episode 221. What’s Really on Mars? Strange Structures, Geoglyphs & Ancient Connections | George J. Haas · Wake Up with Miya

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  Speaker 1: Now, Xenon 129 is a marker for nuclear explosions. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when you have, we did a lot of nuclear tests,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the 40s and stuff, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: the increase of Xenon 129 could be read. So that's
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  Speaker 1: just a marker that somebody's been blowing up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. And these same readings were found in the
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  Speaker 1: both Viking archives. missions that went up there. And they
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  Speaker 1: also detected the Xenon when it went 29. And it's
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  Speaker 1: also been found with some of the other, like the
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  Speaker 1: Mars Global Surveyor and things like that. So this has
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  Speaker 1: been established. And Dr. Brandenburg thinks that basically this says that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Mars had some type of an explosion going
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  Speaker 1: on at different parts of the planet. Wow. That's discussed
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  Speaker 1: in more detail in the book. So this is just
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  Speaker 1: an example of showing, you know, the ground zero where
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  Speaker 1: structures will still be standing. This is a little lower
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  Speaker 1: than the area we're looking at, the same gridded area.
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  Speaker 1: But this one totally reminds me of the burned out,
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  Speaker 1: bombed out buildings in Berlin.
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  Speaker 2: Could there really be evidence of an ancient civilization sitting
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  Speaker 2: in plain sight on the surface of Mars? And if
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  Speaker 2: there is, why aren't more people talking about it? My
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  Speaker 2: guest today is George J. Haas, founder of the Cydonia Institute,
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  Speaker 2: who has spent more than 30 years investigating some of
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  Speaker 2: the most unusual images ever captured on Mars. Using photographs
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  Speaker 2: from NASA and the European Space Agency, George has studied
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  Speaker 2: formations that he believes may tell a very different story
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  Speaker 2: about the red planet's past. This conversation is very visual.
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  Speaker 2: George has brought some incredible images with him. And you're
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  Speaker 2: going to see exactly what he's been studying from strange
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  Speaker 2: geometric formations and possible geoglyphs to some remarkable similarities between
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  Speaker 2: what we see on Mars and ancient structures and imagery
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  Speaker 2: found here on Earth. George is also the author of
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  Speaker 2: Great Architects of Mars, Evidence for the Lost Civilization on
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  Speaker 2: the Red Planet, where he takes a deeper look at
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  Speaker 2: many of these discoveries and what they could tell us
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  Speaker 2: about the history of Mars. Before we get started, make
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  Speaker 2: YouTube membership. Now, as you watch, take a close look
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  Speaker 2: at these images, keep an open mind and decide for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think we're looking at? George, welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show. I'm so excited that I finally have you here.
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  Speaker 2: I actually first came across your work years ago when
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  Speaker 2: I heard you on Cliff Dunning's Earth Ancients podcast, and
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  Speaker 2: I found your research absolutely fascinating. So I've been a
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  Speaker 2: huge fan of your work for a long time, and
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  Speaker 2: it's really exciting for me to have you here and
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  Speaker 2: have this chance to sit down and talk to you today.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get started, For those who may be discovering
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  Speaker 2: you for the first time, could you please tell us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about yourself and how you first became
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  Speaker 2: interested in Mars and what eventually led you to start
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  Speaker 2: researching it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And again, Maya, thanks for having me on. I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to our discussion. It's Mia. Just so your
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  Speaker 1: listening audience knows that I'm not a scientist. I'm an artist.
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  Speaker 1: My background is in the fine arts. My training, I
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  Speaker 1: was a painter and a sculptor. I lived in New
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  Speaker 1: Jersey and had access to Philadelphia galleries and New York galleries.
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  Speaker 1: And I exhibited up in the East Village in the 80s.
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  Speaker 1: I also had a one-man show at the famous Ivan
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  Speaker 1: Karp O.K. Harris Gallery. in the late 1980s. And I
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  Speaker 1: was the president of the New Jersey Sculptors Association. So
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  Speaker 1: my early training, I'm basically an artist. I'm not a scientist.
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  Speaker 1: And I got involved in Mars research with some of
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  Speaker 1: the work of Richard Hoagland. Of course, the monuments of
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  Speaker 1: Mars and things like that. And back in, I guess
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  Speaker 1: it was the mid-1990s, NASA was set to go back
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  Speaker 1: to Mars and there was a lot of information in
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  Speaker 1: the media about possibly taking new pictures of the face
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  Speaker 1: on Mars. So it got my attention. And because I
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  Speaker 1: graduated high school back in 1976, I was a bicentennial class.
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  Speaker 1: So I not only got to celebrate the 200th anniversary
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  Speaker 1: of America by my graduation date, and NASA had sent
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  Speaker 1: the Viking 1 and the Viking 2 landers on Mars.
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  Speaker 1: And that was supposed to be a big celebration. They
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  Speaker 1: were going to land on July 4th, but they actually
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  Speaker 1: changed all that and they landed at different time periods.
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  Speaker 1: But there was a lot of, you know, interest back
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  Speaker 1: in the 70s about Mars. And again, in the 1990s,
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  Speaker 1: we went back to Mars. And that's when my real
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  Speaker 1: interest in this again started. And that's basically where we're
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  Speaker 1: at now. I've been hooked ever since.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing. Well, George, I'd love to get right into
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  Speaker 2: some of these images because that's really where your research
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  Speaker 2: really becomes fascinating when we can actually see what you've
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  Speaker 2: been finding on Mars. And some of these formations are
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  Speaker 2: actually quite incredible. So I'll let you start.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my current book is is the great architects of Mars, uh,
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  Speaker 1: which came out in January, 2005. So it's been like
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  Speaker 1: a year, year and a half or whatever, since the
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  Speaker 1: book came out, glad to be on your show. And, uh, to,
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  Speaker 1: to get the audience started, um, this is a, like
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  Speaker 1: a Mola map showing the depths, you know, this, the
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  Speaker 1: blue is the oceans and the high Browns and stuff
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  Speaker 1: are the Highlands. And, uh, This little white dot here,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see my cursor.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't see anything. No, I don't see the
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  Speaker 2: screen no more. You stopped sharing the screen.
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  Speaker 1: I did not.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, I don't see anything.
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  Speaker 1: All I did was, this is back to the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see that? Or did it go away completely?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it went away completely.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll try again. Sorry about that. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what happened. Go ahead and hit your share screen.
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  Speaker 1: Share screen.
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  Speaker 2: Got it. I see it now. Let's just hope it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't disappear.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see the China? Yes. Should I go back
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  Speaker 1: to the beginning?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we didn't see it.
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  Speaker 1: Let me try going through a few and see if
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  Speaker 1: it deletes again.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. No, I see it. Yep, I see it.
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  Speaker 1: All going good now?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll go back to the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll start with after you used your book,
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  Speaker 2: and then I'll edit all that part out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And then we'll just start with the beginning of your slides.
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  Speaker 1: Again, thanks for having me on. Okay. I think you
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  Speaker 1: had said let's start with some of the images or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we'll start with your images because that's really what
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  Speaker 2: really kicks off your research there. So I'm really excited
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  Speaker 2: to see those.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, in an effort for your audience to get an
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  Speaker 1: idea of what we're going to be looking at on Mars,
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  Speaker 1: this is a MOLA map from Earth. And it shows
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  Speaker 1: you've got the United States, South America, Africa. And on
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  Speaker 1: the far right, there's a little white dot. You see
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  Speaker 1: that little white dot there? Yes. Yeah, that is China.
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  Speaker 1: That's Xi'an, China. That's where they found a lot of pyramids. Now, surprisingly,
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  Speaker 1: during World War II, a U.S. pilot had veered off
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  Speaker 1: his course and started flying over China. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: if he was off course or this was part of
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  Speaker 1: his reconnaissance, but out his window, he took this picture.
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  Speaker 1: This is the famous white pyramid. This was published in
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  Speaker 1: the New York Times. This was a big controversy at
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  Speaker 1: the time. Later on, China denied that they even had pyramids.
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  Speaker 1: They said this picture was fabricated. So over time, this
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  Speaker 1: image was produced in a lot of mystery books and
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  Speaker 1: things like that about strange oddities in the world, but
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  Speaker 1: it was never confirmed. And China has always said, no,
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  Speaker 1: we have no pyramids. Now that was until the advent
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  Speaker 1: of the Google technology. Now, when Google first started and
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  Speaker 1: they started taking mapping the planet, they took pictures of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of areas that were probably off limit. And
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  Speaker 1: these were the pictures in China. Now, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if your audience is aware, but there's dozens of pyramids
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  Speaker 1: in this area of Zion. This large pyramid in the bottom,
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  Speaker 1: that's believed to be that same white pyramid that he
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  Speaker 1: photographed in 1947. So China does have pyramids. As you see,
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  Speaker 1: these are very textured. They have shrubbery and plants and
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  Speaker 1: trees growing. They're trying to hide them. They haven't demolished
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  Speaker 1: the pyramids, but they put a lot of foliage and
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  Speaker 1: things on them. And as you can see, all of
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  Speaker 1: the land around them is all part of agriculture. There's
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  Speaker 1: fields of growing things and things like that. But these
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  Speaker 1: pyramids are all over in this area. So just to
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  Speaker 1: give your audience an idea of that, you know, This
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  Speaker 1: type of formations are on Earth that people don't even
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  Speaker 1: know about. I'm losing my finger. Now, this idea that
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  Speaker 1: the Chinese are covering them up with dirt, when they
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  Speaker 1: first found the pyramids in Mexico, the Teotihuacan, the pyramid here,
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  Speaker 1: it was all covered with dirt and trees growing on it.
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  Speaker 1: If you looked at this, you would think it was
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  Speaker 1: a mountain. but this is a picture showing in 1900
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  Speaker 1: what the pyramid looked like when they were excavating it.
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  Speaker 1: And then the bottom picture is after all the reconstruction
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  Speaker 1: was done. So when we're looking at pyramids or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that on Mars, they're obviously gonna be covered with
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  Speaker 1: dust and dirt and ice, and their angles may not
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  Speaker 1: be as perfectly geometric as we expect because they're partially
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  Speaker 1: covered with these kinds of things. Come on, George.
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  Speaker 2: I love that comparison. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, this whole idea of identifying structures on other
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  Speaker 1: planets was a big concern for this astrophysicist, Vakach. Douglas Vakach,
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  Speaker 1: in the early... he put a group of scientists together
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  Speaker 1: to speculate and do some research about what would scientists
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  Speaker 1: have to look for on another planet if they were
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  Speaker 1: to find evidence of a culture or structures or geometric
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  Speaker 1: shapes and things like that. And what his group found
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  Speaker 1: was that scientists would have difficulty identifying structures on another
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  Speaker 1: planet because a lot of them would just say that
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  Speaker 1: they were natural formations, which is pretty stunning. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: whole idea of covering things up like this, this is
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  Speaker 1: what NASA plans on doing when they go to Mars.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if Elon Musk gets us there, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to have these little ecologies, these little habitats, and they're
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  Speaker 1: going to cover them with dirt to protect them from
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  Speaker 1: the radiation. So this is all part of their process.
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  Speaker 1: So if you flew over Mars and looked down at
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  Speaker 1: one of these habitats that we've started, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: constructing these little communities that you would think they were
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  Speaker 1: just mounds. Now let's go to Mars. This is a
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  Speaker 1: molar map of Mars of the Elysium area. Again, that
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  Speaker 1: little white dot on the far right That is where
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  Speaker 1: we're going to look. That's an Elysium on Mars. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Elysium is where the famous Carl Sagan pyramids come from. Now,
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  Speaker 1: most of these settlements, these complexes that we're finding on Mars,
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  Speaker 1: all seem to be 30 to 40 degrees above the
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  Speaker 1: equator and below the equator. Those are like the hot spots,
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  Speaker 1: the Goldilocks zone. And we find the same thing on Earth.
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  Speaker 1: This is from the equator. That's where most cultures are.
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  Speaker 1: And This molar map of Mars, the blue area is
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  Speaker 1: the low area. That's not water, but that's probably where
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  Speaker 1: the oceans were. And can you see my cursor when
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  Speaker 1: I go across here? You do.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I can.
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  Speaker 1: This is Elysium. If you go straight across, this is
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  Speaker 1: where the famous face on Mars is in the Cydonia area.
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  Speaker 1: So they're very similar. And a lot of the complexes
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to be looking at are, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: 30 to 40 degrees above or below the equator. is
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  Speaker 1: where you would expect civilization to be. Now, in 1972,
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  Speaker 1: NASA sent up the Mariner 9, and it photographed a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pictures on Mars. They were taking surface pictures.
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  Speaker 1: And the camera produced these very high contrast images. As
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  Speaker 1: you can see, they're almost black and white. And you
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  Speaker 1: can see the sharp angles of these structures here. See
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  Speaker 1: the lines? So these were noticed by a lot of
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  Speaker 1: scientists early on that they look like pyramidal formations on Mars. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the first scientist before Carl Sagan was this guy, Mac Gibson.
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  Speaker 1: He had a paper published in the very prestigious Icarus Journal,
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  Speaker 1: and it was called Pyramidal Structures on Mars. So scientists
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  Speaker 1: were actually very active in looking at the possibility of
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  Speaker 1: structures on Mars early on. And this was in 1974. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Carl Sagan in the 1980s, he basically picked up on
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  Speaker 1: the same idea. I don't think he ever mentioned Gibson, but...
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  Speaker 1: That's where the recognition should go. But Carl Sagan, very famous.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows him for the billions and billions of stars
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  Speaker 1: and all of his programs. He had the Cosmos program
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  Speaker 1: on television, his book, The Cosmos. The pyramids, the three-sided pyramids,
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  Speaker 1: were actually published in his book, and he mentioned them
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  Speaker 1: on his TV series. So Carl Sagan was also very
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  Speaker 1: interested in the possibility of structures on Mars. Come on.
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  Speaker 1: This pyramid on the far left, these are three sided
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  Speaker 1: pyramids that are in the Elysium area. This is the
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  Speaker 1: one that we saw in that really high contrast Mariner
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  Speaker 1: 9 image. This is a nice, and you can see
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  Speaker 1: the very straight edges that these things have. Yes. So these,
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  Speaker 1: and the interesting thing about Mars is we find a
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  Speaker 1: lot of three-sided pyramids. Now on Earth, the number seems
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  Speaker 1: to be four. We have these very cubic four-sided pyramids
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  Speaker 1: on Earth that we have. You rarely find any three-sided
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  Speaker 1: pyramids constructed here on Earth. But on Mars, this seems
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  Speaker 1: to be the common practice. There's a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: three-sided pyramids. And these are all around in that area
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  Speaker 1: where Carl Sagan talked about in the Elysium area. This
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  Speaker 1: is another strange-looking three-sided pyramid, and I just compare that
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  Speaker 1: with a similar formation in Africa. This is all in
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  Speaker 1: the book. In the same area as the famous Sagan pyramids,
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  Speaker 1: these are what I call the star shields. You see
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  Speaker 1: they're five-sided here, and they have these little nipples on
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  Speaker 1: the end. This one I call the Starfort Junior. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're almost identical. You see that? Yes. This one's like
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  Speaker 1: twice as big. And I compare that with the fort
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  Speaker 1: that was produced in Uruguay in 1776. These were military forts.
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  Speaker 1: And it's very similar in shape. Yes. So this is
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  Speaker 1: pretty astonishing. And these are very geometric. You can see
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  Speaker 1: the way these things are cut. It's just amazing. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what I found odd... Maya, you notice this hook here?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if this was supposed to be just a
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  Speaker 1: regular five-sided structure, you'd think that would be pointed up.
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  Speaker 1: But it has this curve to it. So does this one.
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  Speaker 1: What I found was that all of these structures in here,
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  Speaker 1: see here's the curve to that, and it goes all
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  Speaker 1: the way around through this structure. This is a crater
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  Speaker 1: and it hits, and it just makes this circular, that's
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  Speaker 1: where that little three-sided pyramid is in the middle. So
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  Speaker 1: it makes this whole circular thing. It's like you follow
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  Speaker 1: the hook. And this is another, this is the other
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  Speaker 1: one with the hook, goes right into this other pyramid
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  Speaker 1: and all the way around. So, you know, it seems
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  Speaker 1: to be like a planned geometry. And there's like three
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  Speaker 1: examples of this in the book. So that's the Elysium area.
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  Speaker 1: Any questions?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just astonished.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Now we were over here at Elysium. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: going back down here. the Nepenthes Mensa, which is a
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  Speaker 1: little lower down. And again, you notice that this one
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  Speaker 1: over here was next to this where water would be.
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  Speaker 1: And this one here is very much on a coastal line.
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  Speaker 1: The Cydonia face on Mars is on, they're all like coastal,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just more evidence that, you know, for designed.
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  Speaker 1: Just a second. Now the Pentheus here, this is the
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  Speaker 1: first example. This is another star fort. You saw, we
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  Speaker 1: saw those other star forts in the other area. Now
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  Speaker 1: this is a five-sided star fort that I call it.
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  Speaker 1: And it has a very flat top. This looks like
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  Speaker 1: little interior structures here. And again, these are covered with
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  Speaker 1: silt and dust and ice, you know, because it's on Mars,
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  Speaker 1: very cold. And these are just, you know, ancient ruins
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  Speaker 1: that are sitting there. Now, what I found very interesting
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  Speaker 1: was that Fort Henry in Tennessee almost looks identical. You
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  Speaker 1: see that? This is a fort in Tennessee. I do.
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  Speaker 1: It even has the flat top. And this is the
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  Speaker 1: little barracks and where the ordinances would be and all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff inside. This is very similar here. So this
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  Speaker 1: is pretty startling. And what I find a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are very fascinated by is that I've found these
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  Speaker 1: comparable terrestrial structures that look almost like what we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: on Mars. It's like the old saying, what above, so below.
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  Speaker 1: It's the big connection. Yes. So somebody got these ideas
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  Speaker 1: for this ancient master architecture. Now, this is another structure
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  Speaker 1: in the Nepenthes area. This is another five-sided structure. And
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  Speaker 1: I just did an outline here showing the geometry. And
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  Speaker 1: the first thing you look for when you're looking at
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of finding structures on another planet would be
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  Speaker 1: looking for the uniformity of geometry. And we're finding geometry
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  Speaker 1: everywhere here in these structures. And you don't see that
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  Speaker 1: in nature. And to find these all clustered in some areas,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we seem to find. These whole areas of
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  Speaker 1: Mars that we're looking at that have these little compounds
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  Speaker 1: or complexes, it's all geometry. And then just beyond the
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  Speaker 1: borders of that, it's just regular structures that you find
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  Speaker 1: anywhere on Mars, similar geology. All right. This again is
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: in the same area. This is a whole row of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: structures here. You may not, you know, I've been looking
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: at this stuff for years, but, you know, you're just
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: looking at this for the first time. You go, what
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the heck is he looking at? But you notice a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: lot of these are on platforms.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: So now all I did here was just outline the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: geometry that we're looking at. And now it looks pretty interesting. Like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: how does this happen? And especially when you have these
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: huge bar shapes, you know, if this is wind erosion,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you know, if you got wind coming here to make
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a straight line, why isn't that eroded? And how does
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: this pyramid get formed? And the same thing with this,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: if wind's coming back and forth here to form that,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And this angle here, it just doesn't make sense, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: for natural geology. And they just have so much uniformity
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: to their shape. It's pretty startling. Now, this is the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: structure here that I found most interesting, this one here.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: That's what we're looking at next. Isn't that remarkable? It is.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: It's highly symmetrical. Some people think this looks like an
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: abandoned spaceship.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: This wing here is a little re-roaded, but you can
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: see the straight line here. This side of it's kind
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: of missing. I just did a little artistic leverage there,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: but it's very symmetrical. Very odd. I call that the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: crowned kite. This is another structure in that area. This
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: is on a huge platform. You have a mound here
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: on this big platform with this rod-shaped structure in the center.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It seems to have a crater in the middle of it,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: which is odd. If a crater hit that mound, it
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: would be more destroyed than that. So who knows what
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: these little craters are. And that drawing on the right,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that is an American Indian mound. Wow. Almost the same.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And it's even on a platform. Yep.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And it has that little tiny angle to it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yes. You have this circular mound here like this one.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And then you have the rectangular bar. So remarkable.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Remarkable.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Wow. You can't make this stuff up.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: No.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Now, this is the in the same area. This is
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the elongated hexagonal mound. Now, this was one of the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: earlier ones that I had found, which was brought to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: my attention by a good friend of mine, Gary Legere.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: He's a Mars researcher. He's also known as the Mad Martian.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And I've known Gary for, God, 20 years. And he
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: discovered this. And what I do here in the central
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: image is I just do the outline of the geometry,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you know, going around the structure. And it's basically elongated rectangle.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And it has all these mathematical properties where everything measures up.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And the one on the far right, that is in Turkey.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And it's almost a doppelganger. This is a mound in
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the center. I don't know if you see that. That's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: not a recess. That's a mound. I know some people
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: have difficulty with the flipping black and white images up,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you know, these digital images. This is a mound. And
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: this is a big platform. And you have the same thing,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: almost identical shape. And you have the platform in the center. Now,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: notice all of these little ruins here on the side.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: It's like structures that have been obliterated. On Earth, they're
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: all on the opposite side.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Isn't that wild?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: It's like a.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Mirrored image of so above, so below. You know, somebody was,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you know, copying these things, I think. It's like a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: common template, the great architects. They were busy on both planets,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I think. So now we're going to move on to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Libya Mounds. Now, we were over here. We're just stepping
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: away to the... We're going west. West, young man. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: right next to the shore again, this is the next stop.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Full of structures. This is the famous keyhole structure in
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Libya Mounds. When NASA... This is a high... resolution image.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: This is the Mars Reconnaissance high resolution camera and you
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: can like zoom in on this and see all kinds
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of things. There's all these little these little dots here.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yes.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Which can't be craters because they would just blow up things. This,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it appears, I mean I've spoken to my geology friends
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and they think this structure is probably some type of
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: metallic structure that these are dents that got hit with something.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: You know, like you'd have an aluminum ball, and if
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you poked it with something or shot it, it would
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: make an indent. You wouldn't have like an explosion. That's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: what it kind of looks like. And NASA called this
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: an exclamation mark.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yep, looks like it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: They realized it looked like something. Now, when NASA takes
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: these photographs, which I should have mentioned earlier, but it's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: time when I show this image, is that they normally
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: take these pictures and they put them out to the
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: public and they don't have any analysis at all. You know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: NASA's taking all these pictures and they just keep releasing
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: them and whatever. This one actually had, you know, two
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: paragraphs written by a NASA scientist explaining that this was
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: not real.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: You're kidding.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you can go look this up. It's amazing. Yeah,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they actually went out of their way to explain away
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: that this is not what it looks like. This is
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a natural formation. So it was kind of comical. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: just thought it was odd that they called it an
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: exclamation mark. But it's basically, traditionally, these are called keyholes.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Doesn't Japan have those as well?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to that. Mm-hmm. We actually had
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a science paper published on this, myself and two geologists
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: in a journal. And this is just some of the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: mathematical work that we did showing the highly sophisticated geometry
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: of this. I mean, this doesn't happen in nature. This
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: is just showing the side by side of what the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: geometry of this structure was. These similar type structures are
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: found in Saudi Arabia. They thought these were like burial tombs.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: And none of these were even known about until, again,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the advent of the Google Earth, you know, taking all
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: these pictures. So we have a lot of these over there,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: which is very interesting. And they thought they were used
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: as tombs. This is the famous Kufan tombs in Japan. Now,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: this is the keyhole on Mars, and this is the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: keyhole there in Japan. Very striking similarity, I think. And
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it shows that there's something going on here besides just
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: natural geometry. Wow. Yep. And, yeah, our paper was in
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the Journal of Space Exploration in 2016. And if your
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: listeners go to my website, the Sidonia Institute, they can
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: download these science papers for free. They're all listed on
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: there's a whole section about our, I think we have
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: like seven or eight science papers that have been published online.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of scientists that are doing this research,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: which the public doesn't really know about. And I'm a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: member of the Society for Planetary SETI Research also. And
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I'm the only member that's not a scientist. And they
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: all have papers published periodically and doing this research, showing
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of structures on Mars that are just looks
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: like they're not natural. And so this we got published there,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: which we're very happy with. Now moving on to Atlantis chaos.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Now we're going down below the equator all the way inland.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But you really can't tell here. The whole area that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: we're going to be discussing Atlantis chaos is right next
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to water. Excuse me, I got to have a little
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: drink of water.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Are we going too fast? No. Have you seen this?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: No, I have not.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Isn't this remarkable? I'll let you soak it in.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: It's very, yes.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are all walls and buildings that have been
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: blown up. There's three interesting structures here. There's this huge tower.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: There's the domed Capitol building like we have in D.C.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And then this one here looks like a barn with
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: a payload area. And it's very strange. These are like
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the only ones that weren't just totally destroyed. And I mean,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you can see the rooftops here, all of all of
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the supports. It's just bizarre. This is NASA calls this
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: this is an area called Atlantis Chaos.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: It's and they named it that they named it.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It is. You can't make this stuff up.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: You can't. Is that a pyramid right next to that
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: bottom corner there?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: What, here? Yes. I just think this is a big
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: rock outcrop. Because lower down, this goes down. So I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: think this is just an outcrop. This is just a
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: detail of this picture. And again, these were taken with
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the Mars Reconnaissance High Resolution camera. So you can just
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: focus right down on these formations.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: With great detail.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: This is a close-up of some of this gridded area. Uh-huh.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And what I do here is just compare this with
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: these compartmentalized little structures that are out in Saudi Arabia,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: where it looks like people just live huddled together, one
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: next to the other. Have you seen these aerial photographs?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. This is some of the old towns in
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, where they hardly had room in between the
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: buildings to get around. And these were all like adobe structures.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And it looks almost like we're looking at Mars.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: That is incredible.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you can even see inside of these,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: there's like stuff that's broken in here. You can see
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the roofs, all the support structure. Yeah. How come this
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: isn't on the news?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Because it's Trump all the time. Again, this is just
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: another side-by-side comparison.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It looks identical.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is in Peru. See the roofs?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: And you got the same things here, see? They go up. Wow. Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I got a good eye for comparison. Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: It is. I don't know how you could explain this
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: as being natural.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: You can't. Absolutely cannot.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: No. All right, where are we? I keep losing light. Now,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: here's a close-up of the three structures in the center.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: You know, you have all this devastation all around them.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: This is like a weird step pyramid like you would
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: find over in India. This is that dome with the
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: little peak. And, of course, this is what I call
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the barn, which has this payload area, and there's like
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a little chimney on top. But these are the only
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: structures that are viable that you can see there. Now,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. You'd say that, you know, how could something
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: like that happen? Why are these other structures, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: destroyed and these two are standing there? Well, you know,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the same thing happened at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Wow. In Japan,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that's the main building in the center and everything around
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: it was destroyed. So basically, if you look back at Mars,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: this might be, you know, point the ground zero, as
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: they say. And Dr. Brannenberg, he's a plasma physicist. He's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: had a few books about the death of Mars and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: things like that. And he believes that Mars was victim
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of a nuclear war. Yeah.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Because it does look like it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Yes. And he found, he actually stumbled onto this doing
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: some early research about looking at these things on Mars.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: And from the Mariner 9 project, project that went up
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to Mars, it had an atmospheric snifter on the outside
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: and it did all these readings. And one of the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: surprising things that the scientists found early on was that
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Mars radiated a lot of xenon-129. Now, xenon-129 is a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: marker for nuclear explosions. Wow. When you have, we did
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of nuclear tests, you know, in the 40s
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And that's when the increase of Xenon 129
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: could be read. So that's just a marker that somebody's
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: been blowing up, you know, nuclear weapons. And these same
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: readings were found in the both Viking missions that went
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: up there. And they also detected the Xenon 129. And
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: it's also been found with some of the other, like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the Mars Global Surveyor and things like that. So this
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: has been established. And Dr. Brandenburg thinks that basically this
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: says that, you know, Mars had some type of an
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: explosion going on at different parts of the planet.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: That's discussed in more detail in the book. So this
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is just an example of showing, you know, the ground
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: zero where structures will still be standing. This is a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: little lower than the area where we're looking at, the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: same gridded area. But this one totally reminds me of
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: the burnt out and bombed out buildings in the Berlin. Wow.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: It's pretty striking.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Look at all the linear stuff. I know.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It's pretty scary. Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask your opinion on that, too. What
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: do you think happened?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that Mars has a long history of conflict,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: but we can get into that toward the end. That's
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a whole speculation thing, but it may be surprising. uh
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: what what george thinks here but let's if that's okay.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: With you we could just yes a little later um
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: this is below the whole grid area if it because
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: they take nasa takes these long strips that take pictures
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: of the areas so the uh the Atlantis City Complex
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: that we looked at, that was above. This is below that.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Now, if you look at these, you may not see
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: anything remarkable about this, but if you look at this,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: these are foundational footprints. These structures have been just blown away.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: This is just the foundation. You see that shape here?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: It's very geometric. You have an arrow shape here. There's
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: a triangular shape here. This one here, we'll get into
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a little detail with that. This one here is like
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: a bow tie. So we have a lot of weird
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: shapes here. This is basically the outlines of these. But
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: these are in really bad shape. The upper structures are
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: just gone. We're looking at, do you know what fractals are? No. No.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: It's like nature repeats patterns, you know, with plants and stuff.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: They're called fractals. So it's the same design repeated over
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and over different sizes. So what we're looking at here,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: if we go back, this weird structure here has all
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of these squares.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And I looked at it and I just started outlining them.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And it's like, that is really weird. Why would that happen?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: They call these fractals. I'm not trying to sound like
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: a smart guy, but I'm just an artist, man. And
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I seem to find a lot of these things accidentally.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm being driven by some spiritual guidance, but,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll be looking for something else on the Internet.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I stumbled across this and this is an American Indian
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: structures that are fractal. There's one on top of the other,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and they're all the same shape. Now, this was accidentally
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: found out in Arizona. when they were putting a highway in.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: You know how like when they dig the old highway
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: up and put a new one in? And they were
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: expanding it and they discovered this. So they had to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: stop the whole thing and the archaeologists come in. But
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: it's basically the same idea. These are fractal structures, one
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: on top of the other, built at different times for
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: some reason. And it's very much like we're seeing over
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: here on Mars. Wow. Now, going a little further down,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: here's another set of five weird things. remnants. These are
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: footprints again of these totally destroyed structures. And I'm sure
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you're looking at this going, what is he seeing now?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: But that's basically their outline. We can go back. See
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: this one here has very geometric shapes. And this one's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: kind of like a bell. You have this structure here.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And this is a very strange shape here. So That's
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: basically the Atlantis area of the planet that we're looking at. Now,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I think this is like the last stop we're doing
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: here with the images. We're going to go down here
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to the RG Basin. This is a huge, like they believe,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like a crater impact. So this is like a big
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: lake at one time. And right on the shoreline of this,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: at this little area here, we found this huge parrot geoglyph.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Now this one's not like a geometric structure. This is
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: a parrot geoglyph. It has its wing up, his wings
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: going up here. Here's his lower leg. This is his
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: tail that comes down. He's got a foot up. He's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: basically like Monty Python said, you know, it's a dead parrot.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: What we have here is a dead parrot. I don't
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen that skit. But he's on
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the ground with his wing up. He's been shot. He's
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: been hit in the beak here. There's a dart in
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: his beak. There's a little dart here. When you zoom
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: in on this, you can see the upper manual and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: he's got a tongue. This is his eye. This is
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: his neckline. This is the body. You can see the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: wing frets, you know, when you have feathers. You can
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: see the frets here and these are little feathers that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: go up. And it's remarkable. We had various veterinarians look
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: at this and they identified 22 points of anatomical correctness.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Now, if you look at like natural formations, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: contours of something that don't have any secondary or tertiary features,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: you know, You know, people look in clouds and go, oh,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just seeing things. They're usually just an outline, very vague.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: They have no more than probably three or four points
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that you could identify. This goes way beyond chance. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: we actually had two science papers published on this. How
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: come this isn't on the news? I don't get it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: This is a detail. You can see the tongue here.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: There's the lower jaw and the beak. This is the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: feather that's going in his beak here. There's the eye.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: He's kind of got a hooded eye there. Now, this
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: idea of... It's not a real parrot on Mars. That's
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a sculpture. Right? Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. I'm
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: just getting over a little cold that I brought back
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: with me from Florida. This is an ancient Maya city.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: This is an aerial view, which it's shaped like a parrot.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It is. Yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Now this is a archaeologist drawing of the complex. And
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: The interesting thing is that the shape of the city
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: is shaped like this is a tail. And inside the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: parrot shape is all these buildings and the temples and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: things like that. And you can see the tail here
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: with this aerial view. And it's just astonishing. We're basically
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: seeing the same thing on Mars. However, on Mars, the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: body of the parrot is, you know, in a natural,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you know, parrot form, but up in his wing there's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: all kinds of structures up there that I discuss in
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the book also, which is not only do we have
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: a parrot geoglyph up in his wing area or structures
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and all kinds of things, it's just bizarre. These are
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the two journals that the parrot geoglyph, the first report
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: we did was published in 2011 and then we had
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the second paper that we had published. Because NASA had
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: taken a brand new picture. That's what we're seeing back here.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: That's the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter picture. This is the high resolution.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: This foot here, in the earlier shots, we really couldn't tell.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: They were very blurry. So we didn't know really what
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it was. But now we can see that's his, you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: his curled up. He's in agony. Oh, yes.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I see that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: So that's what we're seeing here. So We resubmitted it
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: again because we had, you know, originally we had like 16, 17,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: 18 points. And then with this new image, it was
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: raised to 22 points. So it wasn't like the high
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: resolution image destroyed everything because we just saw more detail.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So that's what that's about. So, yeah, we got published twice.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: So these, you know, there's journals that are, you know,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: producing this stuff, but the mainstream media totally ignores this.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: You know, we sent out press releases and it just
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't go anywhere. This is one of the formations that
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: are up in the wing area. You see this, it
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: looks like this big scarab head. And all of this infrastructure,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is like, look at this place. Wow.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: That's not normal. It looks like Earth. No. Yeah. It
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: looks like you got this big structure here with all
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: this infrastructure, these lines and all this connective stuff. Look
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: at the grids over here. And it's just amazing. I
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: call that the water processing plant. And that's part of
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the same area. This is up in the wing also.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: This is like a cat paw. Yes. The little paw
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: things here. Now, the comparison on the right. That is
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: in Fort Myers, Florida. That's a fish farm. And it
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: has the same shape, basically. You know, the pad and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the little fingers around the side. And this very well be,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, because the whole paratopia thing is like a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: port city. And it's right there. And, you know, the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Martians might have been, you know, producing fish farms. You've
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: got to eat. So that's kind of weird. Yeah. The
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: other thing we have to contend with with all of these,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: especially pictographic images, is that a lot of people try
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: to say this is just, they call it pareidolia. Have
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you heard the term pareidolia? Yes. Yeah. Do you know
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: where that word came from? No. Well, it actually was
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: in this, by a guy named Stephen. He did an
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: article in the Skeptical Inquirer back in 1994. It seems
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: like NASA wanted him to get this story out just
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: before we in 1998 took the pictures of the face
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: on Mars and things like that to try to diminish
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: any interest in people finding any kind of pictographic or
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the face on Mars. That's just all illusion. And he
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: used this word pareidolia. And pareidolia actually comes from this
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Journal of Mental Science. That's where he got the word from.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And it's from 1868. Now, pareidolia, according to this psychological
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: journal here, deals with it's a mental illness. People that
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: are afflicted with pareidolia, they see faces everywhere. They're they're
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: afraid there's faces on the wall and they're being surrounded
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: by faces. And so it's a mental disorder. It's nothing
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to do with, you know, the mind playing tricks on
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you as a normal person. But that really stuck. People
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: still use this term pareidolia. If you look at anything
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: on Mars, especially like that parrot, oh, that's just pareidolia.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: That's a natural formation. Kind of looks like a parrot. Yeah,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: but it has 22 points of anatomical connection. Anyway, so
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: that's where I discussed this in the book about the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: idea of pareidolia. Any questions about that? Okay. We're moving
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: right along. Now, the interesting thing about the parrot with
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the dart in its mouth, coincidentally, it goes right back
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: to Mesoamerican stories. Most of the things we're finding on
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Mars have a total Mesoamerican connection, direct correlation with the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: myths and creation mythology with the Mesoamerican culture. Even the
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: face on Mars, which I don't really discuss in the book,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: But the face on Mars is not a human face.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: It's not Frank Sinatra or Elvis Presley. It's a bifurcated
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: mask like they produced in Mesoamerica. Like it has a
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: feline on one side and a human on the other.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, really? Oh, I'd like to see that.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, I could come back on. We can talk about that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: That's a whole mind bender. because most people when they hear, oh,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: it's the face on Mars, they think it's going to
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: look like a human. But it's more, a lot of
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: these things on Mars are very demonic. It's a scary place. Very.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: And this is a book by Simon Martin. Chronicles of
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Maya Kings and Queens, and came out in 2000. I
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: was introduced to this. I used to live in New Jersey.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I'm now in Virginia. But on weekends, I would go
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: over to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and go to the University of Pennsylvania.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: They had Maya workshops on weekends and And there was
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: no cost. You could just go over and they had
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the professors there talking about Maya. I learned how to
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: read the glyphs and things like that. And at one
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: point they had Simon Martin there and he was talking
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: about this place called Naranjo in Mexico. Now, according to
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Maya scholars, this isn't me talking now, that there was
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: a thing called the Maya Star War. And at Naranjo,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: The word Naranjo means orange. And Naranjo is located in
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: New Mexico. And Naranjo had a long history of having
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: wars with its surrounding, you know, Tikal, Cozumel, things like that.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: They were always fighting. And they also were fighting with
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a place called Six Earth Place. Now, this glyph on
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the right side, that's the glyph for six. This is
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the bar and a dot. That's five, six. That's the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Maya numbering system. So Six-Earth Place, scholars for years have
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: been perplexed. Tikal and Cozumel and Naranjo, they talk about
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: this fictitious place that they're battling with called Six-Earth Place.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: They can't find it. They have found no place in
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Mexico that's Six-Earth Place. Now, the founding patron god of
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Naranjo was the Zip Monster. Now, the Zip Monster... according
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: to Maya scholars, and it's overwhelming evidence. I go through
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: all this in the book. The Zip Monster is a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: symbol of Mars. Most notably, you look in the Dresden
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Codex where they have the Maya scholars are mapping the
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: movements of Mars and things like that. Always deals with
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the Zip Monster. Now the Zip Monster and Six Earth Place, again,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: very one in the same. Six Earth Place is Mars.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Mars is the Maya counted the planets kind of like
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the Sumerians. I'm sure you heard of the Anunnaki and
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: the Sumerians and things like that. Well, the Anunnaki counted
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: the planets from the outside in. So Mars was the
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: number six. Earth was seven. Venus was eight. Same thing
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: with the Maya. They would sometimes use star symbols with
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the different points. You know, a six-pointed star would be Mars.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: So when they reference six, and also we'll find, which
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I don't have a lot here. I don't think I
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: have any of the pictures of the Zip Monster, do I? Oh,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: here's one. This is the Zip Monster. His nose goes back.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Notice he has one, two, three, four, five, six solar disk.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: So that's, again, reference to Mars. Oops, wrong way. This
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: is the, in the Dresden Codex, this is Zip Monster
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: with his nose going back. This is all about Mars.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: This is a war axe. You know, he's the war god.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: You know, Mars. You know, Greeks had the same thing.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Mars was the war god. So, very interesting. Very interesting. Oh, yeah. So,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: when they talk about Six Earth Places, we're talking about Mars.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And they had these Star Wars with this place called
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Six Earth Places. Now, I'm not saying, and I reference
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: this in the book, that the Maya weren't fighting wars
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: on Mars. They were reenacting these ideas, because whoever bestowed
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: all of this information to them talked about this that
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: happened a long time ago. Now, these wars supposedly happened
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: about a million years ago, and this is all documented
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: in Maya hieroglyphics. The dates were about 996,000 years ago,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: which is like almost a million. And also 22,000. So
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: there were two epic events that happened between Earth and Mars,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: which is documented in these Maya stories. And the other
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: coincidence is that everything we're finding on Mars seems to
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: have this whole Mesoamerican vibe.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: So strange.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Can I make this up? No. So again, this is
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: from the Dresden. This is the Zip Monster. And I
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: have illustrations of this in the book over and over.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I go out of my way to show the comparison.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: This just goes on and on and on about the
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: six and Mars and the Zip Monster. This is in
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the Madrid Codex. These are called sky bands up here.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: It's like things coming out of the sky. And these
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: are the Mars Beast. This is the invasion of Earth.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Now, see the Mars beast heads on these guys? Yes.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: These are zip monsters. Now, one of them has a
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: torch and the other has axes. Remember the axes were
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: in the Dresden Codex because it's the war. And these
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: are human representations of the zip monster with a human
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: form with the zip monster head because this is all symbolic.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: You follow me?
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: So I call this the invasion. This is in the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Temple of the Jaguars in Chichen Itza. You can't go
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: in these places anymore because they're in bad shape and
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: they're kind of off limits, but they've been well documented.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: These whole bands here are people fighting. They have like
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: these torch guns that they're... So this is all battling
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: going on. And a lot of interesting things about these
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: chieftains that are in here. They have beards. What is
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: going on? Yes, there's a lot of weird Anglo-Saxon looking
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: people running around fighting with other people. And at the top,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: this is called the Captain's Son. This is like in
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: a big star disk. You see these points and stuff?
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: It's like that Sumerian star disk. And inside that is
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: a lord sitting on a, I think a jaguar or
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: something like that. And over in the corner here, which
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: you really can't see well, is a zip monster. This
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: idea of the Star Captain inside, see the disc? Yes.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Like the Stargate that you hear about? And in the
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: four cardinal points on this, we have zip monster heads.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: See the zip monster with his nose going back? Oh, yes.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: So these are four references to Mars around the Stargate disc.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: And this lord here, he has a torch weapon. And
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: he sits in the center. You know, he's kind of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like in his spacecraft.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that other famous one that I see
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: over there all the time. I forget what it's called,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: but it's very similar to that.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of these variations of this. They're
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: discussed and illustrated in the book. This is just a
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: comparison of the same star disk type of shape. This
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: is a Maya one, and this is the one over
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: in the Sumerians did. And, you know, he has a
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: weapon and so does this guy. He's got a bow
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: and arrow, you know, which is a symbol of power
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: and things like that. So very, very striking. So there's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of similarities between the Sumerian stuff and the Maya.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: And if you read Zachariah Sitchin, he talks about that.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Ningasada and going down to the South America with the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: black-headed people, which he believes were the Olmec down in Mesoamerica.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of strange esoteric connections there going on.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: So wherever the Maya got this idea that there were
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: battles going on between Earth and Mars is something that
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: was handed down to them from ancient knowledge. And through
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: their ceremonies, they would reenact these things. Do you understand
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Yes. Yeah, kind of weird. Wow. So
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: this is back to Dr. Brandenburg with the nuclear events
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: that he believes happened on Mars. He thinks one was dropped.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: And these were above ground explosions. Yes. This is the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: old Utopia area, and this is Cydonia. So this is
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: just separate research, which kind of coordinates with what I'm finding.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Do you know about Joe McMoneagle? No. He was a
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: CIA agent. And he's still alive. He reported, you can
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: see his written reports, it's available on the internet, from 1984.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: You're familiar with remote viewing? Yes. So the CIA and
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: the FBI, they were all using this to try to
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: defeat the Russians, right? Yes. And at one point they decided, well,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: maybe we can use this technology or this technique to
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: see what happened to Mars. And in 1984, he was
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: requested to do this. And he found that Mars had
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: a battle, a nuclear event, a million years ago. Wow.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Kind of coordinates with the Maya timeline. And what Dr. Brandon,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: this is all independent. So we got three references to,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: you know, nuclear events on Mars by three independent sources.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: You know, two could be a coincidence, but you know,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: when you get three, that seems to be a pattern.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty interesting. This idea of, like I was saying,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: of reenactments. The Maya and the Aztecs specifically celebrated what
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: they called the Flower War. And periodically, with the alignment
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: of Venus and Mars and things like that, they would
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: reenact these battles, which I'm thinking of these battles that
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: happened between Earth and Mars. And they would coordinate with
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: their surrounding tribes and their surrounding cities, and they'd do
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: these mock battles. And they wouldn't kill each other, but
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: they'd capture them. So interesting. And this idea of reenactments,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, we do it. We reenact these Civil War reenactments.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know anybody that does this,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: but this is really serious. You know, they have these
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: outfits that are made just like this, you know, either
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the Confederates or the Union men wore. They have the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: whatever type of canteens and, you know, uh, weapons, they
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: try to get everything to be authentic. So it's pretty remarkable.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: So we do those. And of course, you know, like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: medieval times, they do all these little reactant things. Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: And there's the Renaissance fairs, everybody dress ups, you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: like that time period. So it's, it's a lot of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: fun for people. And, uh, And then there's the crazy
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: people that do the Star Wars reenactments. Well, these things
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: go on. So I don't think it's far fetched to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: think that, you know, the Maya weren't preoccupied with this
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: because it was part of their whatever information was bestowed
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: onto them that they would do this through ritual. And.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I'm ending the program with this famous wall painting. These
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: were in Chichen Itza at the Temple of the Jaguar.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: This is way upstairs where nobody can go anymore because
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: there's murals all around, beautifully painted murals that are just
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: falling apart. And in the early 1900s, this woman here, Mrs. Brenton,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: she was an archaeologist and a fine artist. So she
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: was tasked with recording all these in watercolors. And this
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: is a watercolor of, you have a captain here in his,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: he's got his little weapon here and he's in one
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: of these star discs and he's fighting a guy that's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: on a serpent. You see, this is, and this guy
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: looks like he's a Caucasian guy. And this guy looks
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: like he's probably Mayan. And there's the fiery tail of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: the dragon. He's breathing fire. And they're having a battle
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: up here. This is a battle. Again, is this another
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: reenactment vision between Earth and Mars? And below this, you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: can see one of the guys' heads here. There's all
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: these guys down here fighting. And these guys are up
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: in the top. This is a celestial battle. So it's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: recorded right there, Chitsunisa. And thank God she was able
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: to do these beautiful paintings of these that we have
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: these today. And that drawing that I have there of
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: the guy in the star disk with all the serpent monsters,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: she actually did a beautiful rendering of that too because
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: that's in the same area. So it's just remarkable. And
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: this all seems to just fall into place that there's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: something going on on Mars that we should all be
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: concerned with because we may be heading down the same road.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I love your presentation. That's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Well, you know, a lot of scientists
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: have suggested that we do not send any messages out
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: into space because you don't know who's going to answer it.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe something like that happened to Mars where, you know,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: they had an advanced civilization there and someone found out
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: about them and just wiped them out.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that is crazy. So my question is, you know,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: with the several unusual formations that appear in the same area,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: does that become significant when it's like that?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Well, what we find is that... Yes, they're like little cities.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: That's basic. And now when we find these, like we
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: were looking at all of this, which I call all
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: these geometrically shaped and highly symmetrical formations in the funnel area.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: If you go just beyond those, it's just regular terrain
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: on Mars. And once you get an eye for what
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: you're doing, I mean, even you can do it. You
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: start looking at these strips, you'll see, oh, this is
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: all regular geology, right? And then geometry just jumps out
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: at you. Because you're like, wow, that doesn't look like
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: it goes there. You know, something's out of place here.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: And usually when you find one, it's like usually in
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a whole area. And what we also find is, I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: don't think I didn't do that here, but a lot
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: of these little clusters of formations are in a circle. Wow.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: And that's the same type of pattern that American Indian
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: mounds are in. When you find little American Indians, little
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: cities and complexes throughout the United States. uh these old
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: mounds and things they're all basically in a circular pattern
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and finding the same template on mars it's pretty.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Cool yeah exactly wow so what do you think happened
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: there you you believe that there was some kind of
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: advanced civilization they had an atmosphere maybe it's very similar
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: to earth and something.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Happened not really hold on okay yes.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Keeping us in suspense here.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so now we can speculate. My idea is that
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: first we have to look at the history of our
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: solar system. Dr. Tom Van Franelen, who's a scientist, he
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: talked about this idea about the origins of the asteroid
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: belt was an exploded planet. Now, early on in our
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: solar system, when it all came together, all of the planets,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: if you look at them, they all seem to be
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: perfectly spaced as they go out. Then you get to Mars,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: and between Mars and Jupiter, we have the asteroid belt. Now,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: scientists tell us about the Big Bang theory that, you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: in the beginning, everything blew up and all these particles
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: went around and they kind of, you know, conformed to
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: make these planets. So that's fine. But how come the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: asteroid belt? I mean, that never congealed to a planet.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: It's like, why is that there? Well, he believes that
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: that was a planet we'll call Planet X that at
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: one time blew up. We don't know how it blew up.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: It could have been interior mechanism that was malfunctioning or
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: maybe it was Darth Vader type culture that came in
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: and just blew up the planet. And he believes that
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Mars at that time was probably a moon. of that planet.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: And we don't know what type of cultures were living
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: on any of these planets, but that whole time period
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: goes back to the time of the dinosaurs. Let's say
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: 65 million years ago, where we hear that the dinosaurs
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: were destroyed by a meteor impact. He believes that this
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: whole idea of the dinosaurs being destroyed They weren't killed
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: by a meteor impact. They were killed by gravity. Now,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Jurassic Park with a building. Some of these
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: dinosaurs are so big they couldn't stand up today. We
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: have too much gravity.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: And before this planet X blew up, all the planets
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: had less gravity. Earth was probably closer to the sun.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: or further away, I think. Yeah, it was further away.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: So there was less gravity. And when the planet X
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: blew up, it pushed all the planets closer to the sun.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you? So you got this
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: planet blowing up, all the other planets get pushed closer.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Mercury's burned up. You know, because if there were any
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: life on any of these planets, Mercury, Venus all burned
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: up because they got too close to the sun. Earth
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: got closer. We had more gravity. The dinosaurs couldn't live.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: They died. Too much gravity. You know, the scientists talk
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: about that during the time of the dinosaurs, reptilians, you know,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: we had crocodiles, turtles. They were all okay. That's because
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: they were able to survive the gravity, I think. So
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: there are archaeologists and anthropologists that talk about this whole
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: idea about gravity, that you couldn't build these dinosaurs today
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: because they just couldn't stand up. And back in the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: old days, we had dragonflies that were as big as
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: a room because there was more oxygen. There was more oxygen,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: less gravity. So now that we have less oxygen, more gravity,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: That's gone. But anyway, that made a beautiful paradise of
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Earth after all this. So my thoughts are that after
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: this planet blew up, whatever life was on Mars was destroyed,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: and some runaway culture from another galaxy possibly came here.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: running away from whoever was after them. Maybe somebody was
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: attacking them at their planet and they had this escape
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: idea to go somewhere else and find a home far,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: far away. So they come to our solar system from
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the outside in, as the Anunnaki talk about, and they
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: find this beautiful paradise of Earth. And now again, I
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: think they're hiding from somebody because it's a hostile universe
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: that we live in. And they found Earth, beautiful paradise,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: And when they got here, they probably found the, you know,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: prehistoric man, maybe the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthals were here at
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: the time. And whatever dinosaurs were around, they probably got
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: rid of all of them. Because, you know, you can't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: be raising kids with dinosaurs running around or any kind
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: of smaller ones. So they built the culture. And to
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: protect themselves, they put outposts on the moon, our moon.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: That's why there's evidence there's ruins and all kinds of
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: weird things on the moon.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to ask you.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, mm-hmm. So they built bases on the moon as outposts,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: and they built them on Mars. Now, because you were
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: talking about, did Mars have life and all? No, when
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: these structures that we're finding were built, that's when Mars
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: was already a dead planet. They used Mars as a
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: defensive outpost. That's why a lot of these structures we're
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: finding look very defensive. You know, this star fort type
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: of idea. So they built that. on Mars throughout the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: planet as protective outposts in case this group that they're
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: hiding from came here looking for them or some other,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: you know, rogue culture civilization from another world. And so
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: they'd have a protective mechanism set up, the moon and Mars.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: It goes back to like the Afghan wars and stuff
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: with Iran and Iraq when George Bush, his famous sayings like,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: it's better to find them over there than find them
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: over here. Same idea. So you want to make sure
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: you have some kind of protective forces out there because
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: that's the way they're going to come in. They're not
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: going to come in through the sun. They're going to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: come out past Mars and you could destroy them out
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: there before they get. And if they get any closer,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: you got the moon to protect you. So I think
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: that was the concept. That's why we find structures on
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: the moon that are in total ruin and we find
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: stuff on Mars. And this idea of the Maya talking
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: about these two different time periods, about the 900 and
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: or 896,000 years ago, conflicts with the Star War. Now,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: the Star War, that's the geologist or the archaeologist term.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: That's what they got from the Maya text. I know
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: it sounds like the movie, but that's just their terms.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: And the second conflict happened 22,000 years ago. And interestingly,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: we find a lot of structures on Mars that seem
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: to be some seem to be newer than others. So
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: it seems to be maybe this is more evidence that
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: there were two different time periods. And so what I
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: think happened, whoever they were hiding from found them. There
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: were wars on Mars. They came, got through to the moon,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: and eventually got to Earth. And whoever won, I think
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: if the indigenous people or the indigenous invaders that were here,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: While they were here, they might have– I'm sorry. While
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: they were on Earth, kind of like the Anunnaki talk about,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: they could have altered the Cro-Magnon or the Neanderthal man
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: and through genetics made us, which is a whole other story.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: And once they were found out, they left. So they
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: went to a galaxy far, far away because the gig
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: was up, man. They found out where we're at. So
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: they abandoned us. And so we have ruins on the moon,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: ruins on Mars, and we're here on Earth, and we're evolving.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: And I think the story may be even a little
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: bit more complex that possibly these, you know, myths about
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Atlantis and things like that, you know, possibly we had
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: evolved not too long ago to that type of state.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: And we sent colonies like we plan on doing with
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk. You know, he wants to go to the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Mars and build these colonies and build a whole, you know,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: civilization up there of humans. And we might have done
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: that in the past. And as you know, what happened with,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: you know, we left England, came to America. We had
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: the 13 colonies. We could have colonized a similar situation
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: with Mars. And, you know, once you're at Mars and,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you're gathering all the materials and the fine
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: oil and everything, sending it back to Earth, you know,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: over time you say, hey, Spanky, we want to live
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: our own life. This is our planet. And it could
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: have caused another conflict. That could have been the 22,000
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: years ago battle between humans over humans on those planets
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: on Mars. And that didn't end well. And that's where
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: the whole idea of the myth of this advanced civilization, Atlantis,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: was destroyed. And then we rose up again. And now
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: we're in the current time period where we're planning on
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: going back to the moon and then on to Mars.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: But my personal opinion is because there's so many things
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: on the moon, there's a lot of people in our
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: government that don't want us going there.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: And it's going to, I'd be shocked if we ever
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: go to Mars, considering what's up there. Because people can't
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: handle it.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: They don't want us to know. People can't handle the truth.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. That's what they keep saying.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: You're probably dizzy already just looking at this stuff. I'm like,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: oh my God.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly. I don't know why they think that. But I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: spoke to a gentleman, Ev Cochran, and he talks about
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: the electric universe. And he mentioned how.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Our atmosphere was quite different, uh, a long time ago.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: And that the, I forget the planets, but I think
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: was Mars, uh, Venus and Jupiter or something was in our,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: in our site. Like we could see them all, um,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: from earth, um, cause they were much closer because the
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: atmosphere was quite different and that the earth we didn't have,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like the sun and the moon, there was
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: a protective covering. Um, and it was a, um, I
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: guess more of a bluish kind of hue to the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Earth's atmosphere, kind of like a green, bluish, reddish kind
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: of hue. And it was quite different. So I thought
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: that was interesting because you said very similar things regarding
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: the dinosaurs and things like that as well. Do you think, well,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: have you looked at any of the structures on the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: moon yet?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have a collection of images of some weird
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: geometric structures on the moon. There's the famous Ziggurat pyramid
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: that's up there, which is pretty striking. And there's a
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: lot of, I mean, you could check stuff up on
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: the internet about it, but there's a lot of artificial
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: manipulations that people do. So it's hard to, you know,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: you have to sort through a lot of crap on
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: the internet. And so, yeah, there is some information like
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: that out there can show some of these structures.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: In the future, if you're interested, I can come on
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: and yes, the moon stuff.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: I would love that. And the Mars face, the face
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: on the Mars, that would be pretty cool, too.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Yes. The face doesn't get a lot of interest because
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: NASA has done a beautiful job of hiding it. Because
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: they want people to think it's supposed to look like
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra or Elvis Presley. It really doesn't. And the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: other thing that scares them is that it's all this
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Mesoamerican connection. They don't know how to handle that. Because
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: most people think you're going to go on to Mars
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: or go to the moon and you're going to find
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: all this Greco-Roman stuff, all this beautiful architecture. That's not
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: what it is. No, it's more connected to American Indian
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: and Maya stuff.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: A lot of people went out of their way to
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: destroy a lot of American Indian things. People don't know that.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's right.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Chicago is built on one of the largest American Indian cities.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: It's gone. But that's the whole city of Chicago just
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: was built on our top. Well, you know, that's what
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: conquerors do. You know, you come in and put your
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: place on top. That's right. Build your stuff on top
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: of their stuff.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Have you ever heard of the book Enoch? You know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: like the Bible book?
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: And they talked about the angels and heavenly bodies and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: stars that were punished for leaving their appointed places. Have
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: you ever looked to see if there's any kind of
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: connection with that and Mars?
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't. But even in the traditional Bible, the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: book of Revelation, I know it's a difficult read because
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to make any sense. but it basically
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: talks about that's the battle between earth and Mars, you know,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: and there it says, you know, Christ stands at the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: center and he's got the morning star in one hand
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: and the evening star on the other, the seven stars,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: you know, the Pleiades. And so it's all this, you know,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: cosmic connections and stuff going on in there. And that,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: that whole battle in there about the, you know, opening
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: up the seals, I think it all has to do
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: with what happened with the Babylon. Yeah. Cause they, they
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: kind of took that, you know, when you had the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Babylon story in the Bible and the continuation of that
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: story was not included in that section, they just stuck
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: it in the back of the Bible. But I think
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with our origins,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: just if it's read in a different way. Exactly.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Do you have another book coming out?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: I thought you did.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, surprisingly, this current book came out back in
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: January of this year. Before January, in late December of
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: last year, I got a call from the publisher, Barron Company,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: that my book has done well. better than they expected.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: And they'd like to offer me another book. Like out
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, like three days before new year's Eve. So
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: it was, I was like, wow, I didn't know my
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: book was doing so well. Well, you know, publishers make
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: more money than the authors do. So it's just a
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: crazy system. So I asked him, you know, cause I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: have like five books ready to go. Wow. I've been
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: doing this. I've been doing this for 30 years. And
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I got a book on the face on Mars, which
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: is all about the face on Mars. I've got more
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: books like this, Great Architects of Mars, like three more
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: books that have the same type of all these structures
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: and things and set up in these little communities, little complexes.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: So I asked them which direction did they want me
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: to go? And I said, did you want another The
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Great Architects of Mars Part Two? And they said, oh, no,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: whatever you send us, whatever you think you'd like to do.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: have to do for the publisher, you have to send
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: what they call a pitch, you know, go through the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: book and tell them. So I snapped into action and
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I did the pitch for this book. Now I've been
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: working on this book about birds and deer on Mars.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: uh again for like 20 years uh these were first
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  Speaker 1: discovered in 2004 that's when i got interested in and
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  Speaker 1: they're all in an area of mars you know where
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the face on mars is in sidonia right above in
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: sidonia right above the face on mars is this whole
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  Speaker 1: crescent shaped area where all of the there's a dozen
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  Speaker 1: wow all clustered together of bird and deer geoglyphs, you know,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: kind of like the parrot that we looked at. Now
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: you're figuring, why would we have birds and deer? Is
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: that your question? Why birds and deer?
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Why birds and deers? Yes.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: That was my question. Yeah. So again, like I said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: everything here seems to have a direct correlation with Mesoamerican
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  Speaker 1: mythology and creation mythology and stuff like that and all
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  Speaker 1: their art. Well, who would know? But in the Maya
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  Speaker 1: creation story, in the Popol Vuh, when the gods of
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: creation made the earth and all of the trees and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: the plants and the fish and the water and the
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: seas and everything, the first animals they produced to take
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: care of this beautiful paradise were the birds and the deer.
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  Speaker 1: They were the first animals of creation. Now, the birds
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: took care of all of the trees up in the
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: celestial area. That was their job. And the deer took
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: care of the meadows and the grounds and all that.
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  Speaker 1: So that was the two animals that they made. And
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: birds and deer also have a very symbiotic relationship where
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: birds will get on the deer and clean them, take
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: the ticks off and.
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  Speaker 2: Keep them clean and everything.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they take care of each other. And then
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  Speaker 1: of course, while the deer are alive, the birds are
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: taking care of them. And then when they die, the
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: vultures eat them. So it's like, you know, it's the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: whole cycle.
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  Speaker 2: Circle of life. Yep.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Yep. So, um, I really concentrated on this area, looking
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: at all of it. It takes forever sometimes for NASA
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: to take second or third pictures of things. Now, anybody
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that knows that if you're doing any kind of research,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: you want to do a science paper on this kind
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: of research, you got to have like three images of
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: one formation. So they know that it's not just a
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: trickle light. You know, it's not just an oddity. So
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: you can confirm it. So it took a long time
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: to get a lot of these images, you know, to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: confirm what I was looking at. So. That's when I
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: jumped on. I said, yeah, I want to do the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: bird and deer book. And they agreed. It's like within weeks.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: And then they wanted me to send in the book.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: And I hadn't worked on the book probably since like 1918, 1918,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: since 1918. I got my years mixed up. I must
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: be doing some time traveling.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I hadn't really done anything with it. Cause
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: I have these books ready in my collections here and, uh,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: periodically I go back and forth. So I hadn't done
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: anything with this, this book and since 2018. So I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: went in and kind of tweaked it around and, uh, started,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: you know, sending in the chapters that they looked at
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: so that they like it. And, uh, it's all happened
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: so fast and, uh, you know, I'm still trying to
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: sell this book and, uh, So that book's already, I mean,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: you can actually go on Simon. My publisher is Simon
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: & Schuster, and it's the Baron Company. It's one of
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the subsidiaries of the company. And if you go on
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Simon & Schuster, my book's up already, The Geoglyphs of Cydonia.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: And they have it up already, beautiful cover. And it's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: not going to be released until August 3rd, 2027. Wow.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Pretty early. Yes. Now my first book, the first book here,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: the great arc. This is my third book actually my
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: first two were different publisher, but with Baron company. When
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: they first accepted this. It took like a year and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: a half to get published. And I told the, my
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: publisher I said. our publicist in the group there, I said,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I could be an old man by the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: time my next book comes out. And it's true. It's like,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: my God, I mean, I'm going to be 69 in November. Wow.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: You look great.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: I'm looking, yeah. As Ricardo Montalban said, it's better to
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: look good than to feel good.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: You know Ricardo? No. Well, you know Star Trek? Uh-huh.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: The Wrath of Khan? Okay. That's Ricardo Montalban. He's like
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: this old, you know, European, beautiful physique guy. So he
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: actually said that I think on the Johnny Carson show
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: one night. And he was not, he was not well.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: He had all kinds of problems, but that was one
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: of his famous things. But anyway, we digress. So yes,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: the book's already, it's already up for sale. And I'm
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: kind of perplexed because I don't remember my first book
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: going up on sales that quick. Wow.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: This is great. I would love to have you come
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: back and talk about that, but I guess we'll have
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: to wait.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: There is a dozen bird and deer all in the
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: same area. And it's like my wife brought in the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: picture of the highlighted woodpecker because there's one of those
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: on Mars. And in the same area, there's a parrot.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: There's another parrot. There's a wild goose. There's a raptor,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: an eagle. There's a roadrunner. Wow. They actually have the
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: roadrunner on the cover. And these are all Mesoamerican birds. Yeah. Wow.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: There's a pelican. Can I tell you about the pelican?
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Well, they're all together and then coming up on the top.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: There's this, he's upside down for some reason. It's a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: pelican and he's standing there. You can see his webbed
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: feet and everything. And he's got the pouch. And in
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: his mouth, there's, he's like, there's something dangling. Like he
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: caught something. Wow. You know, usually pelicans eat fish. So
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I'm going, my God, that looks
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: like he's got a bat in his mouth.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: And it's, he's got huge clawed feet. Yeah. He's a fisher.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: He's a fisher bat. They're these little bats. I don't know.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: They're like six, seven inches long. They're very small bats.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: And they have big feet because they catch fish. And
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: what happens with these is that they're a competitor for
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: the pelicans. Because the pelicans, like in California, they'll go
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: back and forth. You know, they're diving down, eating fish.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: And these damn little bats come around and they just
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: eat them. And that's what we're finding on Mars. Now,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: these are both symbols of the underworld. Because in Mesoamerica,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: the bat's a symbol of the underworld. And of course,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the pelican can go under the water.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: He lives in both celestial worlds there. Wow. Under the
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: water and above the water. So a lot of duality
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: and stuff going on. So through all of this, I
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: would have never imagined that a pelican would eat a bat.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: But I learned from what I'm finding on Mars about
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: what happens on Earth. It's pretty amazing.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: You know, and a lot of times these drawings that
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: they put on the ground, it's huge. I mean, just
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: like the ones we see in the Nazca lines, you know,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: there's spiders and things like that. It's got to be
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: the same thing. Are they trying to communicate with something?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Because these designs were made for you to look from above.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: If you're down on the ground, you don't know what
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: you're looking at. But when you're above, you can actually
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: see it's a spider or whatever and so it's like
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: a message or a symbol or for somebody or something
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: because it's not for us to to see it while
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: we're on the ground it's for above so it's the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: same thing with these parrots and pelicans and things It's
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: the same idea. Right.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: It is. And that back to the parrot that we
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: were talking about with the 22 points of anatomical correctness,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: he has the dart in his mouth. That again, right
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: out of Mesoamerican, the Popol Vuh. Now that is what
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: we believe that parrot is the principal bird deity. He
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: comes in the creation story. He was a McCall. He
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: also symbolized by the big dipper because it has seven
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: stars and He's called the Seven McCall. He was the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: principal bird deity in the beginning of the creation story,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: but he was a bad boy. And he stole the
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: sun and hid it away. And the Hero Twins, the
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: main characters of the creation story with the Maya, they
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: went hunting for him. And with their blow darts, they
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: saw him sitting up at the top of the World Tree,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: which is at the center axis mundi of the world.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: He was sitting at the top of the tree. So
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: they saw him and they shot him and they hit
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: him right in the beak. Just like we see with
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: that formation on Mars where he's got the feather in
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: his beak. And they killed him and he fell to earth.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: So that's why the parrot seems to be dead, you know,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: with his wing up. They killed the principal bird deity
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: to retrieve the sun. It's a similar story that you
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: find in American Indian stories with what they call it
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: a raven. a raven had stole the sun and put
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: it into a box and they had to retrieve the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: sun from from the raven but it is slightly different
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: but it's a similar story but that's again everything goes
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: right back to mesoamerica it's.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Pretty that's incredible yeah yeah and and the mesoamericans they
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: They do love their birds and their jaguars.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: They had their quetzalcoatl, the birds with the long tail,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: you know, in Mexico.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Beautiful little bird. It's awesome. It is.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: I happened to see one when I was there kind
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: of fly by us with the real long tail.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah, I've never seen one.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Just once we were going to, what do you call that?
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: The underground... Waterway, the Sonote. I couldn't.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: So we were going and we heard some noise and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: our tour guide said, Hey, there's a Quetzalcoatl, whatever bird.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: And we're looking and, and, and had a huge long
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: tail and it flew by. It was so cool. I
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: was like, wow. And it was very colorful. I can't,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: I think it was blue, green, red, something like that.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful. It was so fast. But it's amazing.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: I love that part of the region of Mexico. We
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: go there quite often. So I've been to, yeah, been
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: to a lot of those places.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're ever in Virginia, come on over. Yay.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: We're only 45 minutes from DC.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, nice. Very nice. That's awesome. Well, George, thank you
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: so much for joining me today and taking the time
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: to share all these incredible images with us. It's been
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: such an interesting conversation. I really appreciate you walking through
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: your research and giving us a closer look at what
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: you've discovered on Mars. So I really enjoyed having you
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: on the show today. Thank you.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I thank you again for having me on. I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: enjoyed talking to you. And if your audience has any questions,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: they can go on the Sedona Institute website. They can
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: download those science papers if they'd like. And I'm sorry,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: I still have this cold from Florida. Sorry. And I
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: suggest if they're interested, please purchase the book. And the
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Kindle is even better because you can zoom in on
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: these because it has all high resolution pictures on the
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Kindle and they can zoom in on that parrot and
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: look at the beak and everything. So it's really cool.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: So I again, thank you very much for having me on.