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Mina Kimes on Eagles-Chiefs rematch, 49ers injury concerns, Arch Manning Mania | 09.12 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Have I co-opted Foxworth Friday today?
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  Speaker 2: Can your listeners come up with a Mina name? for me,
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  Speaker 2: I would appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: them and I am going to cross my fingers that
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  Speaker 1: they don't embarrass me in front of my friends. Like
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  Speaker 1: this is a, this is, this is a ask the kids.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Don't try to make no fool of me. Um, speaking
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  Speaker 1: of being made a fool of, we got a lot
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  Speaker 1: going on here in week two. Um, week two is
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  Speaker 1: always interesting to me though because week two of the
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  Speaker 1: nfl season is not quite like week two of the
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  Speaker 1: college football season which is always terrible because they front
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  Speaker 1: load so many good games and then there's nothing left
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  Speaker 1: like we got a couple sneaking out here and they
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  Speaker 1: gave us super bowl rematch the eagles and the chiefs
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  Speaker 1: and i guess they both had short week me long
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  Speaker 1: weeks because of um playing in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: week except the chiefs had to come back from Brazil
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  Speaker 1: after getting their asses kicked. Like, is it rut row
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  Speaker 1: zone for the Chiefs if they lose this game? No.
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  Speaker 2: No. I'm not throwing dirt on the Chiefs in week two.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not going to feel great. The funny thing is,
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  Speaker 2: I think, despite being in the Super Bowl, both of
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  Speaker 2: these teams sort of had underwhelming week ones. I think
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  Speaker 2: with the Eagles, obviously, you can explain a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that away with the Jalen Carter ejection.
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  Speaker 1: However.
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  Speaker 2: Also, it's like, well, that's it? You take out Jalen Carter?
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  Speaker 2: Is his defense no longer– I think that is kind
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  Speaker 2: of a scary feeling for Eagles fans, also seeing what
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  Speaker 2: they knew was a vulnerability all offseason, the second cornerback
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  Speaker 2: position be so glaringly exposed as one. But I think what–
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  Speaker 2: and this is why week one is so funny. Context
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  Speaker 2: is kind of hard to– like you're watching these and
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  Speaker 2: you're thinking, wow, Daniel Jones looks amazing, but is the Dolphins'
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  Speaker 2: defense just cheeks, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys offense is actually a lot better
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  Speaker 2: than people think. And I think that played into it
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  Speaker 2: as well. So I think the Eagles are going to
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  Speaker 2: bounce back in a big way. I'm a lot more
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  Speaker 2: skeptical about the Chiefs in this one.
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  Speaker 1: All right. I want to stick with the Eagles there
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  Speaker 1: because I think I think the difference in part of
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  Speaker 1: why the Eagles performance, aside from the fact that they won,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be quite as disappointing is. I think we all,
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  Speaker 1: at least I did, felt confident saying, even if the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles are better than everybody else, they were going to
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  Speaker 1: be worse this year than they were last year. Like
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  Speaker 1: I heard your man Dano talking about this. They lost
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  Speaker 1: two guys in free agency who got $ 100 million to
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  Speaker 1: play defensive line, right? Like it's just impossible to keep
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  Speaker 1: a team like that together. But then we felt like
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs got better, right? Now part of it is
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  Speaker 1: Rasheed Rice is going to come back, but he's not back-to-back.
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  Speaker 1: He's just back on the team. Hollywood Brown, a couple
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  Speaker 1: other moves. We thought that they had improved. The Chiefs,
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  Speaker 1: you just pointed to something, and I'm always here to
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  Speaker 1: speak for the underrepresented and the downtrodden, but yes, the
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs have, not the Chiefs, the Eagles. The Eagles have
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  Speaker 1: a problem at number two corner, but I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the solution is right there in the slot, just maybe
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. They don't want to fix the problem
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  Speaker 1: when the man is right there, ready to do it.
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  Speaker 2: They might have to do that. And isn't that always
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  Speaker 2: how history gets made out of necessity is that's when
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  Speaker 2: true racial pioneers step up to.
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  Speaker 1: The plate is when there's no other choice.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other choice. Yeah. Jackie Robinson to Jean could
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  Speaker 2: absolutely play outside.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know though.
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  Speaker 2: Cause he's so good in the slot. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a matchup thing. You know, if you're playing it, the
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  Speaker 2: thing about to the NFL now is like, slot corner
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  Speaker 2: is no longer like, oh, let's just stick our littlest
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  Speaker 2: worst guy there. It's actually really, really important. Like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams play their best receiver in the slot.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like, you know, you got to be
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  Speaker 2: kind of wary of moving him, especially because he's such
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  Speaker 2: a good nickel. He's so good at tackling. He's so physical.
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  Speaker 2: I think the solution to the Eagles cornerback two problem
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  Speaker 2: is playing the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, like, right. Like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: because the problem with the Cowboys, and this is what
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  Speaker 2: I was saying about how they're, I think they're better
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  Speaker 2: than everyone thinks they got two ones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Here we think about George Pickens. He is a one, uh,
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  Speaker 2: very few teams have that kind of wide receiver death
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  Speaker 2: and boy, do the Kansas city chiefs not have that
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  Speaker 2: kind of wide receiver death.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever think that Riley Moss is just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit sick of hearing about Cooper to Jean? Like
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  Speaker 1: he ain't right there actually playing outside corner for maybe
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  Speaker 1: the best defense. in the NFL. And I think people
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  Speaker 1: don't even know that he the OG Cooper D.
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  Speaker 2: He was also good last year before he got hurt.
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  Speaker 2: And unfortunately he came back, I think from the injury,
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  Speaker 2: not him, Riley Moss himself. And then he got killed by,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Bengals was that one in national game.
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  Speaker 2: Cause yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: He is.
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  Speaker 2: He was the OG Cooper. He also has the misfortune
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  Speaker 2: of playing opposite Patrick Sertan, which means he just gets
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  Speaker 2: thrown at constantly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, that was going to be the
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  Speaker 1: plan coming out of the huddle already, right? Like he
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  Speaker 1: could be opposite Beaumont Jones and they're going to be like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: Riley Moss. Let's see if that's the guy that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to pick on until proven otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and Quinion Mitchell, to be fair, he's
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  Speaker 2: not certain yet, but he's really good. And I think
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  Speaker 2: he has that effect. Can I say something about the Chiefs? Yeah. I,
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  Speaker 2: after all this wide receiver talk, I know we're correctly
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  Speaker 2: criticizing their offense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm more worried about the defense, man, after week one.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was kind of like you talked about
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  Speaker 2: how everyone thought the Chiefs would be better. I think
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  Speaker 2: there's this assumption that because Steve Spagnuolo is so good
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  Speaker 2: and Chris Jones is so good, they can just keep
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  Speaker 2: cycling in these young DBs that no one's ever heard of,
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  Speaker 2: like all named Justin and Josh, and it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be fine. And it was not fine at all against
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  Speaker 2: the Chargers. And I think kind of maybe that got
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  Speaker 2: slept on a little bit this offseason that they– have
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  Speaker 2: really gotten younger and younger on defense.
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  Speaker 1: I would also point out that Chris Jones is 31
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  Speaker 1: years old. And, you know, you can only expect but
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  Speaker 1: so much. Like, I get worried, and I know that
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  Speaker 1: that back and forth that he had with, I've already
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  Speaker 1: forgotten the dude's name, in the game in Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: Tight and tight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but when teams start, like, it was like I
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  Speaker 1: felt about my league neighbors. Hey, man, when it's like
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  Speaker 1: this in week one, y'all already snippy in week one.
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  Speaker 1: We just got here. We just showed up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, it wasn't Tyre. Tyre was the Chargers defensive
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  Speaker 2: tackle who hit Travis Kelsey.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's... I don't know, though. We've just done
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  Speaker 2: this movie with the Chiefs so many times. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to throw a... I think it's hard, too, after
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  Speaker 2: watching the Ravens and the Bills, who... My feeling coming
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  Speaker 2: into the season were those were very too clearly the
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  Speaker 2: two best teams in the AFC. I kept the Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: in that tier out of respect, but... Watching all three
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  Speaker 2: of those teams this weekend, especially watching Sunday Night Football,
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  Speaker 2: it just felt like those teams are cut above Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City right now. And so it is just, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine the Chiefs in that game that we
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  Speaker 2: saw between Lamar and Josh? It just feels different.
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  Speaker 1: I feel that way, though. I mean, you just got
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  Speaker 1: to wait for the Ravens to get a little yippy, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like they have, I feel like, demonstrated themselves to be
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  Speaker 1: the yip masters. You don't want to be the ones
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  Speaker 1: we know as the yip masters. And look, Josh Allen
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  Speaker 1: has spent a lot of his career being a yip master,
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  Speaker 1: but he's not a yip master all the time, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like he might have a yippy moment, but he just
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  Speaker 1: looked like Superman in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that we can, these yips are pretty
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  Speaker 2: much gone with him. I hate the Ravens thing so much.
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  Speaker 2: I hate talking about the Baltimore Ravens because I am
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  Speaker 2: a person who wants to believe that football is logical
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  Speaker 2: and you can analyze teams and figure out their weaknesses
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  Speaker 2: and game plans and go in and look through numbers
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  Speaker 2: and understand what's going wrong. And then you give me
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  Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens and I'm just, I'm just like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what to do with this. Like, like as
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  Speaker 2: an analyst, you know what I mean? Like, what do you,
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  Speaker 2: what do you do with this? A team that loses
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  Speaker 2: in weird, stupid ways in big moments, different ways. I don't,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I do not know what to do with
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  Speaker 2: this team. I just don't.
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  Speaker 1: A thing that I always lean on and it's very important.
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  Speaker 1: You can never forget is we got all this other
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  Speaker 1: stuff and then we got people stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And people stuff comes up. We talked about this with
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  Speaker 1: Dominique last week and Dominique, does not like to say
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  Speaker 1: that people can't handle moments or pressure or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: Like he just doesn't like to do it. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that that is an incontrovertible fact. We see it
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  Speaker 1: all over the place. We are all built to do
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  Speaker 1: different things in different ways. Us doing television, for example,
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  Speaker 1: there's some things I always feel about doing television. You
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  Speaker 1: can or you can't. I can't necessarily make you better
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  Speaker 1: at it, but there's some people a red light comes
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  Speaker 1: on and they're going to freeze. It doesn't matter how
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  Speaker 1: smart they are. It doesn't matter how much they know
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. That light comes on and they ain't got
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  Speaker 1: it right. This happens on other spaces. This happens in
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  Speaker 1: sports where you get into your head and you start
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  Speaker 1: thinking so much about what it is. that you have
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  Speaker 1: to do. And it is something that can be overcome.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, to be seen as a champion,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to overcome it all the time. You
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  Speaker 1: just need to pop up and do it once or twice.
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  Speaker 1: But the Ravens, I think it's generally speaking a top-down situation.
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  Speaker 1: And that is why I think it's just about time
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  Speaker 1: up for John Harbaugh because Lamar ain't the only person
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  Speaker 1: this happens to. In fact, in the game in Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: last year, It happened to Lamar early. He pulled it together.
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  Speaker 1: And it was Mark Andrews that then wound up wetting
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  Speaker 1: his pants in front of everybody. If it's always somebody,
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  Speaker 1: we got to start looking at who's in charge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I also think Harbaugh, in that game,
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  Speaker 2: you can correctly criticize him for being conservative at the
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  Speaker 2: end and turtling up. Scared behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I don't– the problem is I don't–
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  Speaker 2: not the problem, because I do agree with you at
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  Speaker 2: a certain point if you're a team that keeps– doing
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  Speaker 2: this and running into walls, there's really no one else
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  Speaker 2: to blame.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I will say though, like, you know, that has not
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  Speaker 2: been the problem in other moments where they've gone conservative.
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  Speaker 2: So I just don't, it's so, it's so frustrating for me. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like the good doctor trying to solve a
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  Speaker 2: medical mystery. I don't know why I went to the
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  Speaker 2: autistic doctor on television there, but TV, like I, I
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  Speaker 2: just see a lot of commercials for that show. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just, cause we get asked right on these TV shows,
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  Speaker 2: like what, what's wrong with them. And it's my least
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  Speaker 2: favorite kind of football analysis, which is people just talking
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  Speaker 2: about vibes. And, but at this certain point, there's really
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  Speaker 2: nothing else you can do with the Baltimore Ravens. They're
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  Speaker 2: so good. Like for 80% of that team, they looked
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  Speaker 2: like very game. Pardon me. They looked so clearly like
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  Speaker 2: the best team in the NFL. And then it just all,
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  Speaker 2: it all fell apart. And it makes me, and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be annoying too, because now, until the end
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  Speaker 2: of the season, even if, let's say, they rebound and
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  Speaker 2: they start dominating teams, everybody's just going to say, cool,
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  Speaker 2: do it in January. And they're not wrong, but I
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  Speaker 2: hate that. I hate that argument. I hate it so much.
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  Speaker 1: I do think, though, you don't like everybody's side of
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  Speaker 1: life's two gods. I do think, though, that if nothing else,
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  Speaker 1: looking at the box score of the game against Buffalo,
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  Speaker 1: and from watching it, but the box score kind of
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  Speaker 1: tells the story. And look, they were so effective on
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  Speaker 1: the ground that they didn't throw the ball that much. However,
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  Speaker 1: I think number two receiver is more of a discussion
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  Speaker 1: for them than we kind of give it credit for
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  Speaker 1: being like, it's what's left of DeAndre Hopkins is what
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of leaning on in this. You're also leaning
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  Speaker 1: on kind of whatever's left of Mark Andrews, right? Like
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  Speaker 1: these are, I don't feel like these are things that
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  Speaker 1: are promised to you for the entirety of a season
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  Speaker 1: at this point. That is where I would work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, how about the defense though? I mean, that was,
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  Speaker 2: because the offense really until the last two drives wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the issue. The lack of pass rush jumped out to
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  Speaker 2: me and they've been so good at, creating like ginning
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  Speaker 2: up a pass rush through scheme. They don't have like
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  Speaker 2: a dominant rusher on that defensive line, but I felt,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a great example of like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but let's week one, like, yes, it didn't look like
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  Speaker 2: the pass rush was getting it done, but also Josh
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  Speaker 2: Allen might be the hardest quarterback to sack outside of
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  Speaker 2: your own quarterback and all the football and the off
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  Speaker 2: the bills offensive line is awesome. So I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to overreact to the defense and the lack of pass
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  Speaker 2: rush in this because I, I think a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that was just Buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting if Buffalo turns out to
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  Speaker 1: be that good, right?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, the defense is not good, though.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: They were good for one drive where it mattered, but
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  Speaker 2: the whole game they were getting gashed.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually really interested in this week's game against the
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  Speaker 2: Jets for that reason, because the Jets looked like a
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  Speaker 2: very good rushing team week one, and the Bills team
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  Speaker 2: just got ran through. So let's see.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, is this going to be an issue all year?
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  Speaker 2: We're going to find out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is AFC is going to be fun, man.
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  Speaker 1: AFC is going to be fun to check. I want
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  Speaker 1: to I want to get back to the Chiefs on
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  Speaker 1: this question because I don't have the great answer for it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And you go back through the history of the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: And I know a few people have written this piece
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  Speaker 1: over the years. Like, I feel like either Grantland or
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  Speaker 1: the ring or one of those incarnations of Simmons World
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  Speaker 1: has done this. But when you go and see who's
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  Speaker 1: held the belt for being the best quarterback in the league,
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  Speaker 1: it is not quite the straight line that you think
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  Speaker 1: it is, right? Like when Joe Montana retired, people of
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  Speaker 1: my age and a little older had a fair point
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  Speaker 1: that he was the greatest quarterback of all time. But
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  Speaker 1: it didn't really get to a place where people thought
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  Speaker 1: he was the best quarterback in the NFL really until 1989, 1990.
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  Speaker 1: Dan Marino was the best quarterback in the NFL from
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  Speaker 1: 1984 to 1986 without question. I'm not sure he was
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  Speaker 1: ever the best quarterback in the league after that, but
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to tell me that Dan Marino got worse.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That doesn't add up. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that we're at that place now with Mahomes,
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  Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback that I have ever seen, Yet it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to say that he's better than Josh Allen or
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson right now. But I don't know how much
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  Speaker 1: of that is his fault because he was still out
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  Speaker 1: here doing that Matrix shit in Brazil, completing passes that
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  Speaker 1: seemed humanly impossible.
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  Speaker 2: The way I would put it, if you shuffle all
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  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks and put them on each other's teams, if
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  Speaker 2: you took Patrick Mahomes and put him on either the
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  Speaker 2: Bills with their dominant run game or the Ravens also
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  Speaker 2: with dominant run game and those tight ends, I am
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  Speaker 2: of the belief, and I love Josh Allen, Lamar, that
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  Speaker 2: the offenses would look just as good, that Mahomes would
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: look like Patrick Mahomes again. And you can say that's
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: making excuses for him. I just think Kansas City, like
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: the infrastructure, is really not great right now, right? You
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: got a young offensive line who flux. You can't run
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: the ball for shit. You barely have any right receivers.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: And the offense, like, looks kind of not right for
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: the moment.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of RPOs. And again, it's not fair
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: to Andy Reid for me to say, I don't know,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: what are you doing? He is clearly having to call
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: that because of the limitations of the personnel. But Mahomes
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: is playing at a higher level of difficulty than all
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks right now. That makes it really hard
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: to compare them.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is a fair characterization. I think
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: we were talking about this earlier this week about Josh Allen.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Part of what makes it amazing for him is because
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: you need to send somebody with a big number to
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: take him down, he does not have to play on time.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: He can be back there however long it takes. I
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: think teams have given up on sending the fifth guy
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: because the fifth guy is not going to be big
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: enough to take him down. So you send four, you
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: hope you get pressure, you drop seven, and he buys
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: enough time that somebody's going to get open.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I mean him and Lamar, right? Like they do it
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: in different ways, but the net effect is the same.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: They're both, they're both unsackable and they both don't throw interceptions.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you do with that?
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: What do you do with that?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: It's, I know we like last year, it kind of
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: turned into world war three in the football world because
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: of the MVP thing. But like I, it was, you know,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: and like we talked about this, I voted for Lamar.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I just thought what he did last season was just insane. But,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Right now, it's a hair. You could put them in
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: either order. They're just... And yes, they're both in much
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: better situations than Mahomes. Both play behind good offensive lines.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Both have a lot... I think the scheme is also
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: really good for both of them. But don't get it twisted.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: They are the sons that the galaxy orbits around or whatever.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: The solar system.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: you know the reason guys are open the reason teams
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: are so afraid to run the reason teams play certain
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: coverages is because of those two quarterbacks and and what
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: they can do with their legs right.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Now I want to switch gears a little bit since
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: we're talking about all world quarterbacks with all the talent
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: in the world now we can talk about the San
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Francisco 49ers I thought.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: That was gonna be Justin Fields I was excited you.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Know I think that both of us agree that Brock
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Purdy is a starting NFL quarterback, right? I don't think
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: we have to get too far into the hyperbole. He
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: is a starting quarterback. It looks like he's going to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: be out for a while. He's got a bad shoulder,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and he's got that turf toe. Turf toe, number one
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: on the list, along with the hip pointer, things that hurt,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: or the bone bruise, things that hurt a lot more
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: than they sound like when written on paper.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: They called it a turf-toe variant, which sounds like the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: worst thing.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: That sounds like he caught it rather than he got it, right? Like,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I knew I should have worn my mask.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Brock Purdy now has had quite a few big injuries.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: That's another thing.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he plays for the 49ers. Like, apparently
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: you need to have a lot in your what they
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: call an HSA system. Because you will be spending money
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: on health care playing for that roster. So he's out
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: two to five weeks. And you remember that time when
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the 49ers traded to move up in the draft? Oh, yeah.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Everybody thought that they had given up the world so
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: they could go take Mac Jones because Chris Sims, who
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: has Kyle Shanahan's initials tattooed on his body, said that
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: if they made that move, they would take Mac Jones
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and everybody ate the cheese. Well, guess who's going to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: start for the 49ers this week at long last? Mac Jones.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: You know what this is like For Kyle Shanahan When
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: you have like Someone you got a crush on In
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know Like high school And you've just idealized
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: it For so long Because nothing ever happened And then
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: finally You Let's take a high school reunion Or maybe
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you're at home For Thanksgiving And you're at the bar
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: And you see them And It's There's just no way
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: It can live up To your expectations I feel like
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: That's going to be Kyle Shanahan realizing who Mac Jones
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: really is and what the limits are. of what he
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: can do with him this week. At this point, he
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: has to have given up on that dream. I don't know.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Because think about this.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Think about this. We all had, like, Kirk Cousins as
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the Kyle Shanahan dream quarterback. But let us not forget
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that when Kirk Cousins actually played for Kyle Shanahan, he stuck.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Right. Like he held on to what it could be.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the comedian, Robin Harris? No.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Robin Harris. He died now almost 40 years ago, but
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Robin Harris or 30 more like 35. But anyway, Robin
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Harris had a routine that you probably couldn't really get
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: away with. And I am going to paraphrase it. And
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: he basically said he don't like having a good looking woman.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: He said he liked having an ugly woman. You can
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: tell the ugly woman anything. He said, you walk in
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and tell the ugly woman, Hey, I'm going to the moon.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I'll be back in a couple of days. And this,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you just say to him, will you be careful? I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: feel like the Shanahan tree, that's how they are about quarterbacks.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: They don't want no star at quarterback because they be
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: on their own time. They be doing stuff, whatever it is.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: They want them an ugly quarterback that do whatever they say.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: That is what they see when they see the Mac
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Joneses of the world and all these other guys. If
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you just do what I tell you, then everything will
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: be okay, man. These stars, these stunners, they got a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: mind of their own. You know what I'm saying? That's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: not what they're going for. And now old plain Jane
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Mack Jones is finally walking in and Kyle Shatterhead is like, look,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know how exciting she is, but I bet
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: dinner going to be ready on time. That's what he
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: thinks is about to happen.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Sorry, we got to get on with this tangent. When
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you see that, the equivalent of an age gap relationship,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: shall we say a looks gap relationship? Because I don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: know what your algorithm is like. My algorithm shows me
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of... I think it's because it's rage bait
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: for people. A lot of age gaps both ways. Yes.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And then they show me... the man with the surprising women.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Right. I see that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe men see the reverse. I don't know. Do
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you see like the, the woman with the surprising man who.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Look, all I ever think when I see such a thing.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to ask you.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: There is an explanation.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Just a neutral, like could be.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily what that explanation might be.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: You don't think, man, she's.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: It's on the board. It's on the board. What you're
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: saying is yes, 100% on the board. Like, look, when
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: this happens and there is a gap of sorts, the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: way this goes is dude, and I don't know how
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: this goes is women, because I think with women, when
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it's a gap, you just assume the dude is really nice.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Or rich. Yeah. The gap that we wind up with
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: here is, or when the gap is present, you see
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the two of them together or you meet them and
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they're together and then she leaves and then the dude
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: hits you out of nowhere, man. Dog, I'm telling you, boy,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: she cool as hell. Or, or, boy, I'm telling you, boy,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: once that food ready, boy, we gonna eat. Like, they're
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: going to, they're immediately like, I know, I know, I know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: but they immediately go there.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Or my brain was going somewhere else. I was thinking rejected, rejected, rejected.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: It's on the board. It's on the board. I'm just
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: telling you what the fella says because what else is
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: on the board you can't, you shouldn't tell your partners.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it is the assumption that everyone, well,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: there's a few, yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something special here.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that our mind never goes to bring it
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: back to Kyle Shanahan. That just must be his type, right?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Which is often the actual explanation.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Usually, all right, we're just kidding. When this happens, and
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: it's someone you know, they got a history.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It's not like 10, 10, 10, 4?
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: That is not the pattern.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: For men and women. Right.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That is fair. That is fair.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: There's not usually like an absurd deviation from that. But
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: our brains don't go to like, that's just not how
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: we process. The dinner analogy is probably the best one, yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: for Shanahan. Because, yeah, they want someone, the Shanahan family,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: they want, you know, like the guy sitting in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: mech suit pushing buttons, right?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Like they want someone to just execute the offense. The
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: problem is, Matt Jones ain't that dude.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: And, and to his credit was actually kind of that dude. Yes.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: But he's also going to give you a lot of
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: lip and a lot of sass.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: He is sassy.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: He is. He is. That is. Yeah. He's going to, he,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: he's going to give you a lot of backtalk, right? That,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that is what happened in new England. And they were like, yo,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: get a load of this guy. Are you kidding me? Yeah.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Um, I am not super optimistic also, Beau, because it
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: would be one thing if this was the Niners all-star
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: team of a couple years ago where everybody's healthy. It's
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey. It's Brandon Ayuk. It's George Kittle, the offensive line.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: It is a very diminished version of that that he's
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: going to have to make this work with. They are
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: playing the Saints this weekend, so that's going to help.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I... Slut buster.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Right. Saints are... I, yeah, I'm not optimistic. Also.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, since he actually played the Niners and watching that,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I am not saying Trent Williams is.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: But this is like year 17. Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: He looks a little older out there and he was
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: kind of like the one thing holding this whole offensive
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: line together. And so you start to get worried about that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So as we go into advertisements, I will say
• 25:47
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• 27:19
  Speaker 1: All right. We are back with Mina Kimes. As you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I am a day one fan of the Detroit Lions.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I have enjoyed the ride up until this point. The
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: last time we talked about the Lions and I expressed
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to you my patience of Jerry Goff, you told me
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that I've definitely become a different person. And you may
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: be correct because I was not. feeling good on sunday
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: watching what happened there my read on it is i
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: didn't think the defense looked bad um but i thought
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it really all came down that they're not getting any
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: push um on the inside guards and center are not
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: doing anything and if they don't get that push i
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: don't see what they're supposed to do and tell me
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: why i shouldn't be terrified.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Um if i had to give you one source of
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: comfort or i guess excuse i think the packers like
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: are those like that team Right. So I think that's
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl team right there. So, you know, we're
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: talking a little bit about how kind of week one
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: can sway things either way when you don't recognize or
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: when we don't really know who the best is at things.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I think that they're going to have a much better
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: time this week against Chicago, against old friend Ben Johnson.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: That said, you're not wrong to be concerned because it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: the whole operation was kind of discouraging. It wasn't just
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the interior offensive line. They got a new play caller who,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: when they hired him, everybody was a little confused. It wasn't,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you know, John Morton is from Denver. He's kind of
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: got an interesting resume, but it wasn't like quite, it
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: didn't set the world on fire. Let's just say that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And I think week one, that was, you didn't feel
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: great watching that offense. You didn't get that. That feeling,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: that use, not just of like the creativity of the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: play calling, the combination of the creativity of the play
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: calling and the physical domination up front, just totally gone
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: at week one, which is not great.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I wonder how many people were like me when they
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: hired John Morton and thought they hired Johnny Morton, former
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Detroit Lion wide receiver with the all-time classic quote, Jay
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Leno can kiss my ass.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: He can do that. Yeah, I'll be honest. The guy
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't on my radar at all. And the other thing, Beau,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I know I keep alluding to the Jets and nobody
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: wants to hear me talk about the Jets. They got
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: their past game coordinator, Tanner Engstrand, and that all fell apart.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: looked awesome week one. So you're talking about a brain drain,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: not only of Ben Johnson, but the past game coordinator
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: as well. Then you start to get a little bit worried, right?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, maybe... Maybe they lost two guys.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, they lost Antoine Randall L also who went
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: over with Ben Johnson. And I will say this because
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I am okay with talking about the jets because it'll
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: make my life better living in the city. If the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: jets and or giants are good, it is definitely a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: significant quality of life improvement with the Knicks being good.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I know I saw your face. I understand it would,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: it would help. Right. Justin Fields, who has to me,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the most damning problem that you can have, which is
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: takes too long to throw the ball. did not take
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: too long to throw the ball in this game. That
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: is a thing that people typically don't fix. He was
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: not taking too long to throw the ball. I was
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: floored by how good he looked.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: This was the biggest surprise of week one to me.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: And Fox and I talked about it, and he was
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: better than Aaron Rodgers in the game. And I know
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: they lost, and I feel like Rodgers got all the
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: hype coming out of it. And Rodgers looked good, too.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say he didn't. But I thought
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Fields was... exceptional and maybe, I mean, he's had games,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: he had games in Chicago where he was doing more
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: like crazy explosive stuff with his legs, 60 yard runs,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But this is the best he's
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: looked quarterbacking to me since coming into the league. Like
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you said, the ball was coming out fast. He was accurate.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: He was throwing over the middle of the field, which
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: he never does. And then he ran a lot, which
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: is something we didn't really see in Pittsburgh for some reason.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: But there's tons of design runs and scrambles in this game.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: The whole rushing attack looks really good. So, yeah, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: don't know, man. I think the Bills defense kind of
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: might be a little bit cheeks. So I'm not going
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to overplay it, but. it was pretty encouraging and kind
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: of shocking. That whole game was shocking. It was like
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: so entertaining.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: It really was like, it was a, it was a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: good game. And I want to say this right fast.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Now that you mentioned it about the bills defense, if
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the bills defense is bad, boy, the bills will be
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun to watch this year. Like we're
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: talking track meets. Cause look, Cincinnati should give us track meets,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: except it looked like they was running all one leg
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: against the Browns, which shocked me. Cause I mean, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: don't know how the Browns are going to win no
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: games this year. The Bengals, even if the plan is
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you're just going to be really good on offense and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: terrible on defense, but you might be able to get
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: 9-8 or 10-7 out of that. The Browns, I don't
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: see how they're supposed to get anything out of that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And they almost won that game. They very easily could have.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: They should have won it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: If they had. Can you imagine the Bengals' discourse this week?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Bengals' discourse this week should be like
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: suspicious but I think like a lot of people didn't
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: just didn't watch that game um yeah I mean the
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Browns the Saints Titans you know like I think it's
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: already like pretty obvious who the get right teams are
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and that was not a get right game at all
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: for Cincinnati uh I know I talked earlier about the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Chiefs and I'm being in the tier of the Bengals
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: they aren't even sniffing that tier. Um, I mean, they
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: were supposed to come out and play the preseason. Everybody's healthy.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: We signed all the receivers. The offense was supposed to look,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: they were supposed to be, like you said, the 41
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: point team. And it just didn't look good at all
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: to me. I, yeah, I was really underwhelmed by Cincinnati.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's, that's, that one's looking like
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: bad news, like terrible news, but on the, The other
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: thing I have to ask you, though, about the Lions,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and this is the part that I think I overlooked
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of us overlooked, because it
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: was like, cool, Aiden Hutchinson's going to come back. But
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: when they had Aiden Hutchinson, they had pass rush issues,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and I felt like in the game against Green Bay,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: they still had pass rush issues.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I thought the Lions' defense would be much better, honestly,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: than they looked. The Green Bay offensive line is not
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that great. I mean... And they were stonewalling them. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you said it, like outside of Hutchinson, you don't really
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: have anyone getting after the quarterback. The defensive tackles are hurt.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: But it was.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: My whole theory about the Lions going into this season
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: was that the offensive line, or the offense, pardon me,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: would take a step back, but that it would be
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: mitigated by the defense being healthy and adding some talent.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And that's just not what I saw week one at all.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: But again... I think the Packers are a wagon. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: really do. So if it happens again this week against Chicago,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and we know, talk about unloading the clip, like Ben
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Johnson is going to, everything he's got is going to
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: go into this game. Then you start to panic.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: You think that the Vikings got a dude with McCarthy?
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, because look, they won 14 games with Sam Darnold. Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And I don't care what anybody says. He's exactly who
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: he's been.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: He....
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: J.J.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: McCarthy was.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you say about a quarterback who
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: was good for 20% of the game, right? On one hand,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: you have to say, well, he really struggled in the beginning,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: but then this is his first start, so I'm not
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: leaping to conclusions either way.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: What you saw with Minnesota, though, at the end that
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: is really encouraging is the run game looked really good
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: at the end, and that's kind of when he settled down,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and it's no coincidence. Because that was clearly their focus
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: this offseason. Like, hey, we're going to fix the interior
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of the offensive line. They traded for Jordan Mason. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: thought that was a sneaky, underrated trade. And we know
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: that J.J. McCarty, the kid who barely threw the ball
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: in college, we want to give him a ground game
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: that's better than the one we've had the last couple
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: of years. Because you've got these defenses. They play constantly
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: shell coverage because of Justin Jefferson and Addison when he's
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: out there. but they haven't really been able to punish
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: them for doing so underneath. And this was a problem,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: by the way, with Sam Darnold near the end of
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. Okay, cool. But you know, for first half
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: of this game, didn't look that great. And then you
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: saw that come alive. I think that's going to continue.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: And I think with McCarthy too, like, you know, he
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be great for this offense to work.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: If that's happening, he just has to be competent. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: he certainly looked like that at the end of the game.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: We'll see if it continues. Yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I thought that I thought he made throws that you
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: feel good about the young dude making right. And, to
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: be not good the whole game and then maintain your
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: composure at that point. I thought that I thought there
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: was room for optimism in that performance. But of course
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the obvious counterpoint is they were playing the bears. Um,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the way that like, we had kind of framed this
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: in our minds before we got here was the guy
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like who has more on the line with this. But
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I think my question really, when it comes to the bears,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and we've talked about Kayla Williams a lot here though, is, um, Like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: what do you need to see before, you know, to
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: keep everybody quiet? Because I don't think he needs to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: be the best quarterback in the division. I think that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: there were some measures of progress in the last game,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: but I did not find that performance to be particularly encouraging. Like,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure what exactly Johnson is
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: going for. I'm not sure what they expect, but the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: clock is on him in a way that I'm not
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: sure he recognizes, but I've been doing this long enough
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to know they coming for your neck, young man. Yeah.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I have felt all offseason, despair's offense is going to
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: take a second to look right. Because, you know, yeah,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: they invest in the... I talk about the Minnesota investing
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: in the inside of the offensive line. I'm not a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: huge fan of DeAndre Swift as a back. The run
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: game was such a big part of what Ben Johnson
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: did in Detroit. I wasn't entirely convinced that it was
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: going to look as good immediately in Chicago. And it
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: looked awful, dude. Like, they were really bad running the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: football week one. So... I felt like it was going
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to take a second for if you're going to have to,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: you know, if that's not working and you've got to
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: evolve the offense and you're also accommodating Caleb's skill sets
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and he's learning a new system, it's going to take,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: everybody's learning a new offense. It's going to take some time.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: You know, it was, I'm kind of torn because I
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: thought like week one, like he had flashes of really
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: good play, really impressive throws. Then obviously some egregious misses
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: and some conservatism. I also think the Vikings defense is
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: really good again. maybe better this year. They signed Javon Hargrave,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen, and Hargrave was killing them up front on
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the inside. So this is another one where like, hey,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: like week two is going to be a big barometer
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: for him. Can he look better than he did week
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: one against what seems to be clearly an inferior defense?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And if not, yeah, it's going to be, I mean,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the criticism is already loud. because it was an island
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: game and everybody watched. But I think this– I'm kind
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: of waiting a couple weeks before I really start to panic.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. We wanted to ask you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: something about the Seahawks. Before we get to the Seahawks, though,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: we'll do something tangential off the Seahawks. Did you tear
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: up just a little bit watching Geno out there dealing, dealing,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: dealing for another team?
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Tear up– I mean, I– uh you know i was
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: pretty loud about not approving of that trade so my
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: desire to be right trumps that's been the interesting thing
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: about doing this uh while i'm also a still a
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: fan of a team and all that is like you
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you realize you have all these like competing interests right
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you know this you've been in the game for a
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: long time like when you're watching football and like what
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: screams louder for you in your brain and you're like
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: little like the little part of your brain when you're
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: watching the game well.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So i've been doing this for the most part without
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of clear like fandom roots yeah so i
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: could just always go ego right just just always on
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the i want to be right in this like in
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: doing the kind of shows that i do kind of
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: coward or something about it's good for business to be
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: wrong every now and then then I ain't trying to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: be Lee Iacocca you know what I'm saying like I
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: don't I'm trying to be I'm trying to get this
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: shit right every if I don't I don't but I'm
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: trying to nail this every single time and I'm not
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: trying to hear no guff from the public. I don't
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: want that. I'm going for that generally. Now, now with
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: my Lions, I want to be wrong about the things
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that I am saying. And if I'm proven to be wrong,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I will be incredibly thrilled.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: That's how I feel about the Seahawks at the moment.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Because like I said, I was really critical of the trade.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I was very pessimistic about the offense. I'm not watching them,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: you know, not convert third downs against the Niners and,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: being like, yeah, I was right. It sucks, right? Still,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the fan part of my brain is overcoming the desire
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to be right. But watching Geno dealing, throwing bombs to
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Brock Bowers downfield, it's all good.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: It's all.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I've got too many shares of Geno Smith's stock, pardon me,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: right now to watch a dip and not feel like, ooh.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, your thing that's going to be interesting to
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: watch it, like running conflict with reality, especially now that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it's happening on your own team, is that you came
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: on this show and referred to yourself, and let me
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: know if I get this incorrect, as a Sampathizer. I know.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: In reference to old buddy Sandar.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: But that was cool when he was the backup making
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: 10 million.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Context matters.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Roles matter.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I will ride for, yes. I will say, I will
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: say like that, like right now, like I'm, you know,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: thinking about I'm looking at Justin Fields' stock right now.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: It's priced at $ 5. And I'm thinking, maybe I'll ride
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: this until it gets to $ 10. And then I'm selling.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And that's how I was with Sam Darnold, to be clear.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: The argument was never, wow, this is a quarterback one.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: He's so underrated. It was, nah, this is an undervalued stock.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking at Fields right now, and I'm thinking
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, so when you talk about like the value of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: being correct, this is where I could be a little
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: bit of a radical about this being correct. And Sam
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Darnold is a great example. As we got farther and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: farther through last year, people were talking about him using like...
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Not like anybody thought he was a real MVP candidate,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: but they was getting a little ahead of themselves. And
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: then when he turned right back into Sam Darnold at
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the end of the year, boy, I was right here
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to tell everybody that I hit it right all along. Like,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: once the wheels came off for him, I was rooting
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: for it to catch on fire. I don't know what
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: that says about me, but I just.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I know what it says about you, hater. That I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: was bright.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: That's what it says about me.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: You love.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Is it more gratifying to be right about an underrated
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: player being good or an overrated player being bad?
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's the overrated player being bad. Because when you
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: say an underrated player is good, people don't really get
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: off in your grill about it in the same way
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: as when you take the courageous stance to say, no,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: this is not as good as what you see it is, right?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Like it's the Hannibal Buress meme. Why are you booing me?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I'm right. You know, like that's what it is.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I'm different. I like, so I was a pretty big
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo critic for a long time and maybe even
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the center of some minor controversies because of it. And
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: when that train went off the tracks, I wasn't like
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: celebrating anything. I mean, I did celebrate a little bit.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I did post a couple of gifts. But I didn't
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: feel great about it in the same way that I
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: feel great when a draft take ends up being correct.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see that.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: A positive one.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: So you got to this side of the business a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: little late. But for what I'm about to bring up,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I was forged in the trenches of T-Bone Mania. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I was, and so you have to remember, T-Bone's rookie
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: year is 2010. 2011 is when T-Bone Mania happens. I
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: started doing Around the Horn in October of 2010. And
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: this is the era where Woody Page is on around
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the horn just about every day and definitely every Monday.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And he's coming off all these Broncos games. And I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: will know. Just wins. They played their first game against
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins. And it was, oh, God, it was so bad.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: And then they won at the end because all the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: games went like that. Right. And I remember I got
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: on the call and it was Bob Ryan, Tim Kyle
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Shaw and Woody Page. And they all soft pedaled it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And it got to me. And I said to them,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: what a player on the Dolphins told me after that game,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: this is the worst quarterback I've ever seen. Like, I
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: couldn't believe that I was all alone in this. And
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: gradually I would get some people. But then it was
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: he just wins with a dollop of God is good.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: And so it just kept happening and it kept happening.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And I mean, you can go look at those clips
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: of me on TV if they're available. I was not
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: pretending to lose my mind. I was losing my shit
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: every day.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Week.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: And then when they got their doors blown off at
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the end, and that was the worst part. They get
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: their doors blown off in the regular season, nobody care.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: They end the regular season with three straight losses, nobody care.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: He got there, had him damn 300 yards against the Steelers,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh man, you gotta be kidding me.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: And I never got a full season of him being cheats.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I never got that, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I wanted it so bad. I deserved it. I deserved it.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's important to point out here, though, that
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the reason why you became such a hater is not
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: because of Tim Tebow himself, but because of your peers
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: lying on him.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Like that is the infuriating part. And it makes you
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: feel crazy. It's like climate change denialism. You're just like,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you're like, I feel insane. You feel like gaslit watching it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: And God, this game, when the Shador Sanders, like week three,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the great Shador Sanders died, pre-season week three controversy erupted online.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: It was really like, everybody's like, wow, this is crazy.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: This has never happened in sports. And the Tebow thing
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: was the first thing that came to my mind. Like
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: when a story just goes thermonuclear and breaks contained to
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the point where people who don't actually watch the game
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: are weighing in with strong opinions.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Tebow mania felt like the movie major league, except what
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: if the coach said, Like the coach wanted to win, obviously, right?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: But I contend they put Tebow in at the second
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: half of the game against the Chargers. And I'm convinced
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: that John Fox was like, well, he's going to be terrible.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: And now finally shut these people up. But he got
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: just enough done. And then he was stuck riding that
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: ride for the rest of the year. And the only
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: way they could get him out of there, they had
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to go get Peyton Manning. They couldn't just go get
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: a credible starting quarterback. They had to leave, no doubt.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: John Elway, oh my God, I just can't imagine what
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: it was like. The John Elway that wished he could
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: have taken Cam Newton that year got stuck with Tim Tebow.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: What is the closest thing we've got right now in
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: sports to where a thing that makes you feel crazy?
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Is there anything? I don't think there's nothing like that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: There's nothing like.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Tebow in football where it feels like everyone's being... No, no, no, no.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: There's nothing there. I'm pretty strident in where I stand
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: on Jalen Hurts, but I understand the argument on the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: other side. You know what I mean? So it doesn't
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: make me insane that people think that he is better
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: than I think he is. There's got to be something
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: in basketball that if I think about it long and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: hard enough that I could get to. Some of the.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tread here with caution. Some of the
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Bo Nicks takes flowing around this offseason.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. So here's the thing. Here's the thing, right?
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: you are deeper in those weeds than I am. Okay, yeah.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: See, I think that's too deep.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: If I were in those weeds with you because I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: went on somebody's podcast and simply said that I am
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: not a Bo Nix believer and they came for me
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: about that, right? Like if I did NFL all day,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: every day, yes, I would be exactly right there where
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you are on that one.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Every year, there's a quarterback that just breaks everybody's brains.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: where like the conversation around the quarterback, it's always a quarterback,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: stops being normal. Tebow is the most extreme version of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: that of the last like 20 years, I would argue.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Probably ever, to be honest.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: But I felt Jimmy G was that for me, for sure.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: For like two years with San Francisco, where I felt
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: crazy the way people were talking about it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Trubisky was like this i mean i did daniel jones
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: was like that you can all there's always one where
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: there's such a disparity between how fans and people who
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: do like box score watching talk about the guy versus
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: what is actually happening on the field that's it's it's
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: very it's too early to say who that guy is.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Nick's.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: It feels like it felt to me like this summer,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: it was kind of becoming that quarterback. Um, we'll see
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: how that plays out though.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Jamie Garoppolo was, uh, um, I don't know the right word,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: but like, he was not good for my high noon marriage.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like it was driving me
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: crazy in a way that it was driving you crazy.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: And I think Pablo was just enamored by the fact that,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: you know, what was he like all swarthy and everything.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: So many people like loved him.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A wedge, Ryan said he was a wedge. He
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: was a wedge in our relationship and people really did
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: love him. They had a whole playoff game when they
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: didn't throw the ball one time in the second half.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: And I was like, guys, I'm sorry. That is not
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: simply a function of we're really good at running the ball.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: That's not what that means. The coach is telling you,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I got a bum out here.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Tua was this for two years.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. The Tuanon people.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Tua. Every year, I'm telling you, Jimmy Garoppolo passed that
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: torch to Tua. Who is Tua going to pass it to?
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think we feel pretty settled right now
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: on the Tua thing.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: When the Tua thing was happening, too, and I got like,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, like, I just went through this.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I can't do this again, or I'm fighting these people. Yeah,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know who it is yet. Candidates, like I said,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: there's a few. There's a few.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to start looking at young guys, right?
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: We got to start scouting the next classes of these dudes. Like, hey, man,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, fascinating career arc that Justin Fields is hoping
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: to emulate, right? Except Baker Mayfield, at least, There was
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: a time where we thought Baker Mayfield was good. And
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think we, we were always holding out hope
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: on Justin Fields, right? Like we didn't get there. Baker
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Mayfield now is, I think one of the mistakes that
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: we make in talking about quarterbacks is in our verbiage
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and they're, not everybody has to be a franchise quarterback.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Some people are starting quarterbacks.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: And Baker Mayfield appears to be a very good starting quarterback.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: And that is not an insult because starting quarterbacks are
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: hard to find, but Josh Allen is a franchise quarterback.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes are, those are starting quarterbacks. Joe
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Burrow looks to be a franchise. I mean, they're all
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks. Joe Burrow appears to be a franchise quarterback.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Some guys are starting quarterbacks and that's okay. Right. He's
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: a very good starting quarterback. And I mean, The Falcons
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: lost that game because Falcons lose games, but they still,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: good job winning, I guess.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: He didn't look, they struggled. I mean, he had made
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: a couple of impressive throws, but yeah, I think your
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: diagnosis is correct. It's the tier that I would put
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: him in. I think it's usually a younger guy is
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the brain breaker. Yeah. Because usually fans... attach themselves to
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: like a young, usually it's a guy on a rookie contract.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: So I, yeah, I, you know, scouting, scouting a few
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: out there. Um, but yeah, I Broncos week one. Ooh,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: did you watch any of that? I did buddy.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Ooh, I did.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: It was by the way, the brain breaker very soon
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: will very clearly be arch.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder, though, if they're getting that out of the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: way now.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Some team is going to get him, though, and then
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: there will be an army of fans who pick it
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: up anew. Does he have.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Wait, can I.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Ask you that, though?
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm not super tapped into college football internet.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I just watch the games. I actually felt... I didn't...
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: But it seemed like he doesn't have that strident hive.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: If anything... I actually felt like he had a lot
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: more haters than I expected come.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Out of the woodwork. Well, I mean, one, he plays
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: for Texas. And I don't think any school has more
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: other schools that hate them than Texas does. And that's
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: not a function of Texas' longstanding greatness. It's about geography.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: But we start there, right? So he's playing for a longstanding,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: underachieving program that a lot of people dislike. And the
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: not beating out Quinn Ewers thing is also a discussion
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that then comes up. But the hype machine behind him
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: felt so artificial coming into this year. And the things
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I heard people say on television, I'm like, you don't
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: believe this. This is impossible that you believe this.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: And it did him no favors. I ended up feeling
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: bad for the guy. Yeah, I just feel like he
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: was put in a really shitty situation because of what
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: you're describing. But I also felt like he didn't have,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like when we're talking about the quarterback
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: who breaks people's brains, they have to have a hive, right?
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: They got to have a, I didn't, there's no arching on.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Right. Fair, fair.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: But when he gets to the league, it'll be a
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: little bit different. Yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Right. NFL teams will just, what, whoever they just project
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks or canvases on which people paint their psychosis. Like
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: this is just.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Well, also because whatever team he winds up with is
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: not going to have another option that perhaps you can want.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Like generally speaking, a college football program may not have
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the guy ready to start right now, but you ain't
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: just only going to have one. You know what I mean?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: like you're probably going to have somebody else. And though, though,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: once you get to the league, like the Broncos need
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Bo Nix to be that guy. All right. If he's
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: not that guy, you're kind of, you're kind of fucked
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: up for like two more years.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yes. That is such a good point. The difference between
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: college football and the NFL. Right. Cause like if NFL
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: or the college football, it's like, Ooh, fans will kind
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: of by the end be like, all right, move it on.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Who's next. Who's using the transfer portal. You're right. With
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: college football. So, or with the NFL, pardon me, a
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: lot of this craziness around these, these, quarterbacks that we're
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: talking about, the polarizing guys, is driven by the fact
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: that the teams need him to be good. It's why
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: a guy like Fields and Darnold or whatever, Gino and Vegas,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think those fan bases will ever do that
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: because they don't feel like that level of financial investment.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, we can move on if he's not
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: that good. There's a sunk cost thing that's.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Well, so Fields is an interesting example because I did
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: feel that there was a measure of this when he
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: was with Chicago. And what happened with him in Chicago,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: people need to realize that the city of Chicago is
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: home territory for two sets of things. One of them
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: is Chicago professional sports. The other is the Big Ten.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: And so what that means is if you live in
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Chicago and you're a Big Ten fan, he either played
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: for Ohio State or he destroyed you. So you come
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: in with that optimism, and then he's the first hope
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: that you have. And then the moment you realize he
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: looked like the rest of them bums that you've seen
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the time, you go from there.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: So DeFields did have the– he was breaking for the
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: exact reasons you described. Bears fans were like a crazy
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: defensive of him when he struggled early on.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, such a good point about the college football fans. Yeah,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: so the factors that have to be in place for the–
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: put a trademark, the quarterback who breaks people's brains– it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: gotta be young guy. It's gotta be, it's an NFL.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: They have to have investment, whether he was at high
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: draft pick or there's a lot of money behind it.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: One of those two things have to be the case. It's,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: it's yeah. I guess Tebow doesn't, but that would, um,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: they gotta be winning.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: But then not because of him. Yes. Um, then, and
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: there has, yeah, I think those are the main things.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on. You know who used to be one
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: of those? Josh Allen. Yeah.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: And then he just became actually who he thought he was.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: He assumed the role to which he had been cast.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: But the first three years, I mean, he was breaking
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: our brains.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Well, they were breaking our brains. Their brains were broken,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: and then it became contagious, and it broke our brains
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: because we was fighting, but we gave up.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I took the L early. Never looked back.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just enjoying the ride.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: The best L I've ever taken.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the best thing, though, I just feel like it's
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: important for us to always make sure that people know
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: that we weren't there at first because I don't want
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: to act like, you know, I've been there with you.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: He wasn't there at first either.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: No, he wasn't. I always found the person most honest
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: about Josh Allen at every turn was Josh Allen. And
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that's part of why I actually find it so endearing now.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I totally, I, has there ever been a
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: quarterback who you thought about taking the L, but then
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: you were like, hold strong, hold strong, you know, hold, hold, like, don't, don't,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: you know, like, and then eventually history proved you right.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, 2024. I got to think about that though.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Two and a half briefly broke me.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: It wasn't, I didn't say like, oh, he is, you're right,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: you guys, he's better than Herbert. Because that was always
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: about him and Herbert, right? That was, I mean, there
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: were people who were really pounding that Tua's better than
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Herbert because it was the same draft and all that.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And I never did that. But there were moments where
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I think I was more, I just kind of like,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't take the L per se, but I rolled
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: over a little bit in retrospect.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, Carson Wentz.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Carson wentz he he made it tricky and then it
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: turned out to be what it was uh i imagine
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: somebody still holding out about kyler murray he just keep
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: riding along at that ambiguous purgatory of bustdom level um
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: somebody's going to be there with trevor lawrence.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I think that offense is actually gonna be pretty good
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: though watching.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Them yeah next time you're on we'll have to talk
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: it'll be another stage of the Travis Hunter experiment because
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know what anybody's doing over there.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Just play one. Just whatever.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I just don't. They're trying to reinvent the wheel. You
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and I are on the same page.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Deontay, have you ever had him on? He's great. Mm-hmm.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I've not had them all good enough.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: He had a comp that kind of briefly broke my
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: brain a little bit where he was watching Caleb and said,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Caleb has a lot of Trevor Lawrence in him. And
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: that made me kind of sit still for a second
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: with that thought in my head and think about it.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I'd never thought about those two quarterbacks, but it definitely
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: struck a chord with me.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I think that is a good time for me to
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: tell you guys that is Mina Combs. You can check
• 59:56
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