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HR1: Live from Training Camp 2026 Day 11 · In the Locker Room presented by Neighborhood Ford Store (Pittsburgh Steelers)

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  Speaker 4: Where except rain and lightning. We have a view here
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  Speaker 4: on thunder, and.
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  Speaker 5: I know, I know, just just don't worry, just just
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  Speaker 5: let me be this. This is my my Bob the
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  Speaker 5: builder kid here because I am I hear I hear
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  Speaker 5: you because we're in the same room, but I don't
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  Speaker 5: hear you in my ears.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why I was messing, I don't hear.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there we go. Yeah, now my MIC's on, no,
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  Speaker 3: there we go. So my mic was and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: hear myself either. Yeah, but I thought that was I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I was like, wait a second, okay, so.
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  Speaker 3: Let me start that again. Welcome inside the locker room
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  Speaker 3: here at Saint Vincent College in La Trobe, and we
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  Speaker 3: are high atop the fields where nothing is going on
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  Speaker 3: except a lot of rain, a lot of lightning, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of thunder, a lot of flags flapping in the breeze.
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  Speaker 3: There's no football here. The football is over the Dunlap
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  Speaker 3: Center where the players went. They were able to practice
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  Speaker 3: four forty five minutes ish roughly, maybe a little more,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, they cleared the crowd out of here.
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  Speaker 3: This rain and storm blew and suddenly I think it's
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  Speaker 3: blowing from Pittsburgh. I was talking to some folks that
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  Speaker 3: said in our Bridgeville studios that not good there, and
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  Speaker 3: here it is, and it's not good here. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it's gonna last that much longer. But the players
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  Speaker 3: are inside practicing. Oh my, Max is pointing to the
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  Speaker 3: left and seeing the brightness in the sky moving this way. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's the direction, the general direction of Pittsburgh. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: it must have already rained and thundered and lightning in
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and now it's here, and so that's that, so
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  Speaker 3: that there's no practice today, and I wonder Max, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to I did want to ask you about
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  Speaker 3: this because this is a game week, and you know, frankly,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what the you know, how it's weighted
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  Speaker 3: as far as how players are perceived by the coaching staff,
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  Speaker 3: who are ultimately the arbiters over whether you're on the
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  Speaker 3: roster or not on the roster. You know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: OTAs count, and you know, your attendedness in meetings and
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  Speaker 3: all those different things, all the building blocks you're putting
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  Speaker 3: in place, Everything is taped here, and everything has gone
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  Speaker 3: over in meticulous fashion by the coaching staff. Mike McCarthy's
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  Speaker 3: a meticulous man, a scheduled, meticulous organized. I say meticulous,
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  Speaker 3: I mean that as a compliment of course. Organized is
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  Speaker 3: what I'm getting out, highly highly organized. So all these
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  Speaker 3: guys are being viewed and seen, and they're going against you.
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  Speaker 3: If you're a young offensive lineman. Let's say you're a tackle,
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  Speaker 3: you're going against t J. Watt and Alex Highsmith and
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  Speaker 3: Nick Herbig. You're going against as good as you're ever
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  Speaker 3: going to go against. So there's all that stuff that's
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  Speaker 3: been accumulated. Is are the games finishing school or can
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  Speaker 3: you make a name or lose a name in a
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  Speaker 3: preseason game.
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  Speaker 2: You can't make.
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  Speaker 5: And lose a name in a preseason game just because yes,
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  Speaker 5: you're getting the high level education by being on the
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  Speaker 5: fields out here and playing, like you said, against the
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  Speaker 5: aforementioned TJ. Watte, Alice high Smith, Nick Herbert right, You're
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  Speaker 5: not gonna find a finer trio in the league of
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  Speaker 5: pass rushers.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna get a better.
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  Speaker 5: De tackle with the experience and the Cam Hayward right,
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  Speaker 5: the raw size and ability of Derek Harmon and Ya
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  Speaker 5: Black right. You're getting the master class sessions, but it
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  Speaker 5: has to translate into stadiums. And if you don't play
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  Speaker 5: well in stadiums, it don't matter how good you are
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  Speaker 5: and how well you do in practice against said guys.
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  Speaker 5: If you can't translate that experience onto the field and
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  Speaker 5: have a relative uptick and performance against lesser competition, Essentially
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  Speaker 5: you're saying then that means that the moment's too big
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  Speaker 5: for you. When the lights get bright, I can't handle it.
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  Speaker 5: I can do it here at practice, run around on
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  Speaker 5: the fields where they're also not hitting your quarterback for real.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah right, they're going to a point on the field
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  Speaker 5: or a dummy, they're not. Aaron Rodgers is not in
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  Speaker 5: a live situation there.
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  Speaker 2: So if you mess up a rep, no harm, no foul.
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  Speaker 5: But you get in the stadium and you you mess
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  Speaker 5: up that same rep, you're picking Aaron up off the ground.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and I think the as we see another impressive
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  Speaker 3: lightning strike here, I mean depressive you scary for me? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we've seen horizontally. That one was absolutely straight, vertical, a
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  Speaker 3: little in the distance animal, yeah, the thunderclap. So I
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  Speaker 3: think that your notion of your comparison of an education
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  Speaker 3: is an apt one. So you get an education, right,
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  Speaker 3: All your teachers like you. Everything's good, You get good
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  Speaker 3: grades under your report cards, and then you go into
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  Speaker 3: the office and you're you're not good. Well guess what
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  Speaker 3: the office counts off? The other stuff stops counting after a.
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  Speaker 2: While, right, yeah, exactly. Grades are nice, but paychecks are better. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Right, And that's essentially what it is, because this is
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  Speaker 5: where you get the philosophy. You get the theory of
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  Speaker 5: what you need to do, and you get a roundabout
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  Speaker 5: idea about it.
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  Speaker 2: But then when you go to the field.
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  Speaker 5: That is your office, that is the boardroom, that is
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  Speaker 5: that is the actual place where it counts. And can
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  Speaker 5: I continue to wow an astound just like I did
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  Speaker 5: in the classroom. That's gonna be the question the practical
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  Speaker 5: application of said knowledge attained, and that's and that's where
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  Speaker 5: it matters.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of guys can't do that. That's another thing.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of guys are great practice players, come out
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  Speaker 5: perfect in practice.
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  Speaker 2: We call them Thursday all Americans.
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  Speaker 5: But then when you get to the game, they freeze up.
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  Speaker 5: They can't they can't understand the gravitas of the situation.
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  Speaker 5: They can't perform under pressure. You know, pressure, You know
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  Speaker 5: it is two ways, right, those who feel it and
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  Speaker 5: those who.
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  Speaker 2: Apply it right, right, that is what pressure is. Right.
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  Speaker 5: It can burst pipes or make diamonds. Same thing here.
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  Speaker 5: If there's no real pressure, you try and simulate the
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  Speaker 5: pressure out here. In practice, you'll try to give a
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  Speaker 5: situation and have everybody counting on you. But at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the day, quarterbacks not getting killed, running backs
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  Speaker 5: not getting blown up, it doesn't really have the same
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  Speaker 5: measure because you know that there's a fail safe in place.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think. I'm wondering now, if
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  Speaker 3: you know, in hearing your explanation, whether is there a
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  Speaker 3: little grace for you in maybe week one that allows
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  Speaker 3: you to get another opportunity in week two or week three.
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  Speaker 3: I think anybody who's played a sport has felt that
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  Speaker 3: sport speed up on them to some degree. Most of
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  Speaker 3: us I felt that. And when you're done, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're you're getting in your car, or you're driving home,
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  Speaker 3: or you're walking home after if it's in high school
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, and you're thinking, boy, I wish I'd done this,
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  Speaker 3: but I couldn't think of that at the time, and
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  Speaker 3: they came too fast. I know, these guys that played
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  Speaker 3: high school, they played college in many cases, maybe they
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  Speaker 3: played professionally, they played the UFL or whatever. This is different.
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  Speaker 3: This is the NFL. So I do wonder, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's gonna be some players that are gonna
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  Speaker 3: be leaving that field on Thursday night and thinking, boy,
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  Speaker 3: I really hope I get another chance, because that moved
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  Speaker 3: way faster for me. So that'll be interesting. But this
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  Speaker 3: is the even if that exists, this is still and
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  Speaker 3: what also exists is the possibility you'll be gone, you
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  Speaker 3: won't be on the roster by Friday. That that the
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  Speaker 3: you know, the the the scouts and everybody are already
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  Speaker 3: talking about you. And it's not in a good way.
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  Speaker 3: He don't want to be putting that out there, but
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  Speaker 3: it's you know, listen, this is the first big step.
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  Speaker 3: This is your Like you said, you've got that degree,
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  Speaker 3: it's in your back pocket. Now you've got to prove
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  Speaker 3: you're worthy of whatever job it is that you're asked
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 2: Well you are.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, the good thing is the NFL tried
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  Speaker 5: to change you know, they've changed the rules to where
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  Speaker 5: there's only one huge cut, but like you said, mini
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  Speaker 5: cuts can happen along the way.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean we've we've seen we've seen roster
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  Speaker 3: movies be made over the last several days. That's what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying. You could be a roster move.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you could be a roster move as opposed to
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  Speaker 5: just the cuts. And I think that's where guys can't
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  Speaker 5: go into a false sense of complacency. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: like you said, one game is not going to determine
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  Speaker 5: you know, your outcome per se, unless it's just really bad.
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  Speaker 5: But you're going to get an opportunity, and they want
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  Speaker 5: to see the growth from from game one to game two,
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  Speaker 5: from game two to game three. They want to get
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  Speaker 5: a full focus view of what your potential is. Everybody
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  Speaker 5: can have a bad game, but if you string bad
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  Speaker 5: games together, that's an issue, right if you have one
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  Speaker 5: bad game as a hiccup, And so they want to
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  Speaker 5: see what that looks like, especially for your young rookies, right,
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  Speaker 5: and rookies, this is their first time stepping into a
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  Speaker 5: stadium and playing grown man football, so they know there's
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  Speaker 5: going to be an adjustment or a learning curve in there.
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  Speaker 5: But you don't want to see to where, like you said,
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  Speaker 5: it's too fast, they can't pick it up, or they
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  Speaker 5: just look stuck at the gates. They never get out
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  Speaker 5: of the starting blocks to even continue in the race.
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  Speaker 5: And that's what we want to see. We don't want
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  Speaker 5: to see that paralysis in the game, especially when you're
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  Speaker 5: completely different on the practice field, Like you want to
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  Speaker 5: see that demeanor transport into the stadium. And yes, you
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  Speaker 5: can make mistakes, but you don't dwell on them.
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  Speaker 2: You don't allow it to compromise you for the.
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  Speaker 5: Next play, and it doesn't belittle or show that anxiety
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  Speaker 5: You want to see how they handle pressure and anxiety
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  Speaker 5: and stress, and can they manifest that into productive play,
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  Speaker 5: And can they also compartmentalize when something bad will happen,
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  Speaker 5: not if will happen. How do you adjust to that adversity.
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  Speaker 5: There also seem to be players that just for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 5: and they're the kind of players that drive coaches crazy
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  Speaker 5: in some ways. The person who's not very good at
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  Speaker 5: practice or just okay at practice.
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  Speaker 3: Who gets better. Max is slowly raising his hand for
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  Speaker 3: those of you listening on radio, So Max, you're guilty
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  Speaker 3: of that gamer. So look better a gamer than a
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  Speaker 3: Thursday practice All American. But the Thursday practice All American
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  Speaker 3: is at least going to get the opportunity. The quote
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  Speaker 3: unquote gamer may never get the opportunity to show what
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  Speaker 3: they can do in the game because they're not going
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  Speaker 3: to practice. They rely on that adrenaline. Think about other sports.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Baseball comes to mind. You know, you're bringing
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  Speaker 3: a closer because he hasn't pitched in three games. You
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  Speaker 3: need to get him some work. It's the it's the
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  Speaker 3: ninth inning and you're losing eleven nothing. Chances are that
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  Speaker 3: guy's gonna give up four runs, right, I mean just
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  Speaker 3: because yeah, there's no adrenaline. He's not there. He's a gamer.
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  Speaker 2: So the stadium is probably empty at that part.
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  Speaker 3: Well, right, you're hearing that annoying WU go out around
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  Speaker 3: the stadium. Maybe that'll throw you off. But so so
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  Speaker 3: you you were you were a gamer, then you're a
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  Speaker 3: guy who you were shut up for the games more
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  Speaker 3: than practice.
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  Speaker 2: Games.
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  Speaker 5: Game film look way different than practice film, and it was.
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  Speaker 2: And for me, you know, it's not that I didn't
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  Speaker 2: like practice. I didn't love for it.
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  Speaker 5: Like there was elements of practice I really enjoyed, right, yes,
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  Speaker 5: but it was certain monotonies in the practice that just
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  Speaker 5: didn't didn't give me the juice that I needed.
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  Speaker 2: And so you know that's why they were like, you know, guy,
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  Speaker 2: you're so bad.
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  Speaker 5: And I would be slowing my steps on some of
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  Speaker 5: the stuff and some of the team period.
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  Speaker 2: And it's also because.
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  Speaker 5: I knew I gave everything on the field on Sunday,
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  Speaker 5: so that Wednesday practice, I'm just getting back functional movement wise,
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  Speaker 5: and then Thursday was always better, and then Friday's a walkthrough.
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  Speaker 5: So really the bulk of our install and everything is
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  Speaker 5: on Wednesday, and on that day made me not look
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  Speaker 5: like I'm a practice player, right, you know they were
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  Speaker 5: thinking I'm Alan iverson all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, right, we talk about.
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  Speaker 5: Practice, but it was in formative. But yet in the
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  Speaker 5: classroom I knew everything, Okay. So it came to they
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  Speaker 5: knew that I knew what I needed to do.
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  Speaker 2: I know what I was doing.
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  Speaker 5: I might not looked as great doing it on that Wednesday,
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  Speaker 5: and they're like, oh okay, Thursday's looking better.
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  Speaker 2: And then games I was. I was back. I was
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  Speaker 2: back to normal. So it was just for me. It
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  Speaker 2: was a ramp up period to get to the game. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So like you said on.
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  Speaker 5: Film, if I watched my practice film, yeah, it's gonna
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  Speaker 5: suck on Wednesday Thursday, like okay, all right, and then Friday,
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  Speaker 5: everybody's moving around fast, all.
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  Speaker 2: Things equal, boob, We're good. Saturday walkthrough.
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  Speaker 5: I made my biggest hay in the classroom and on
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  Speaker 5: the game field.
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  Speaker 3: How are you in camp? And OTA's your first year was?
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  Speaker 3: It was Bill Cara Thick and we drafted this guy.
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  Speaker 2: In what round?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, were you not showing up then until the
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  Speaker 3: game started?
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  Speaker 5: No, And it was a different it was a different
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  Speaker 5: league back then, and four and I had all venters.
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  Speaker 2: I was I was literally one.
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  Speaker 5: It was like four of us rookies in here with
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  Speaker 5: all these other veteran guys, and so they had their
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  Speaker 5: starting lineup, so it was like, well, where's this guy
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  Speaker 5: gonna fit? Is he left tackle? Is your right tackle?
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  Speaker 5: I was doing swing duty. But I made my name
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  Speaker 5: in camp. May my name camp one on ones? And
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  Speaker 5: then you know, run game was heavy back then, with
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  Speaker 5: your own bets and douce staleys.
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  Speaker 3: Now did that did that feel for a young guy?
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  Speaker 3: That must have felt like game like intensity because you
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  Speaker 3: knew what you had to do.
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  Speaker 2: It got your tens and it was full pads every day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So there was no hiding, right.
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  Speaker 5: They knew right out the gates who were the wolves
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  Speaker 5: and who were the sheep, right, and you had to
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  Speaker 5: go out there and prove yourself.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm doing it.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Joey Porter beat the brakes off me in one on
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  Speaker 5: one pass rush, right, you know, but that was that
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  Speaker 5: was Joey Porter, right, I mean that's the dude coming
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  Speaker 5: off Pro Bowl, angry guy, sack leader, and so you know,
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  Speaker 5: I really, you know, got an education going against like
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  Speaker 5: Keemo von Ohoffen and a young Aaron Smith. You know,
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  Speaker 5: we fought and we battled in practice. And then Alonzo Jackson,
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  Speaker 5: who's a draft pick the year before. You know, me
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  Speaker 5: and Zo, Me and Zoe had battles because I played
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  Speaker 5: him at FSU, so I played against though, so there
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  Speaker 5: was a familiarity. And then when I started to get
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  Speaker 5: the best of their second round draft pick from a
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  Speaker 5: year ago, Oh, turning heads right, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Clark Hagen's I got. I caught Clark a couple of times.
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  Speaker 5: I felt good about myself because I was like, oh, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 5: I come on, come on, Clark, you know, but definitely
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  Speaker 5: didn't want to go back over the left. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: give me any other backup, a young James. I would
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  Speaker 5: take a young James Harrison over Joey Porter in his prime.
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  Speaker 5: Right in high school ball.
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  Speaker 3: After you're tying your shoe, No, hang on, you you
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  Speaker 3: on my shoes on tied? Man? You take no?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm catch up.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead. If you played high school football, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. Yeah, there's one or two monsters
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  Speaker 3: on the team.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted no part of Oklahoma drills. You're right, na,
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  Speaker 2: let me just fall back to the guys.
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  Speaker 3: One fifty four man talk about two great teammates to
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Smith and Keemo Van Ohoffen, and you guys are
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  Speaker 3: all battling. Kemo is a veteran at that point, right,
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  Speaker 3: but Aaron trying to make a name for himself too.
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  Speaker 5: Aaron, Aaron is trying to make a name for himself,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because he came from northern Colorado, right, a
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  Speaker 5: little small school, but was so technically sound, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: to have to get it to get a stalemate against
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  Speaker 5: him and to get get that type of quote unquote victory.
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  Speaker 5: That was a huge that turned heads and that allowed
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  Speaker 5: me the opportunity, you know, and then I'm battling with
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  Speaker 5: like Barrett Brooks, Oliver Ross, Marvel Smith. We're all in
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  Speaker 5: that tackle room together trying trying to see, hey, how's
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  Speaker 5: this gonna how's this.
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  Speaker 2: Going to uh going to pan out?
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  Speaker 5: And luckily, you know, by the end of it, you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: we had four preseason games, and that fourth preseason game
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: down in Carolina was where I had to play a
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: majority of that game, and it did the moment didn't
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: feel too big, and it's like, okay, all right, this okay,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: this young guy gets it.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I just remember sitting at my aunt's house.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Over in Greensburg and waiting for the final cuts whether
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: I made the team or not.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Did you really think you might not make the team?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Because you know what's funny.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: After I got drafted, I started looking at like, okay,
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: historically do they cut second and third round?
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Like I was trying to figure out, like, what's the cutoff?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Not afraid to, by the way, yeah, not afraid to.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I'll get your attention.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: So and I turned specifically in ninety nine, Chris Ferris Okay, yep,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Chris Ferris got cut in training camp, so I'm like,
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: holy crap.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: And also here let me back up.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, during training camp because we didn't have a fourth
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: round pick, I was a third round pick.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: So the next pick was a fifth round pick. NATHANIELA.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Dbie was my roommate here at camp. The thing, nathaniel
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: A dbi got.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: Cut in first cuts because we had three cuts back then,
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: so I didn't have a roommate for a majority of
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: camp up here because my roommate got cut.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: That was a draft pick, right, So That's where I'm like, whoa, No,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: all bets are off.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: And then a part of that, we called him three
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: six mafia because we had three six round picks, but
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: two of those guys got you know, one of those
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: guys got cut. And so I'm sitting there, I'm like, oh, man, shoot,
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: I'm like, so yeah, So I definitely didn't have any
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: mindset that I had not arrived. I wasn't Ben Roethlisberger, right,
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: it wasn't Ricardo Cokeley. I'm like, man, I could get
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: cut if I don't before, because this room is and
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: also this room is good. There's a deep room. Like
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: when you think of Jeff Hardings at center, Chuck Ya
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Kobe's his backup left guard, you have Island Fanica left tackle.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: You have Marvel Smith right guard. You have Kendall Simmons,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: and then Kendall Kendall's is injured. Then Kedrick Vince insert
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Kedrick Vincent there, Oliver Ross had been in the league
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: seven years at that point. Then you have Barrett Brooks
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: behind him. So it's like, I'm like, man, I'm like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: where am I going to fit in here on this team?
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: And then you and you're thinking I got drafted In
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: the third bow Lacey Drew Taylor, Josh Parrish also came
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: in offensive lineman, and then Matt Cranchik was also another
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: the sixth rounders, Eric Woods the seventh round defensive tackle,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: and then Willie Parker is an undrafted free agent here
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: on the squad. So that's our draft class. And it's like, man, well,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: I've got all these vests. Where do I fit in,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: you know, in this? So I'm scrapping trying to make
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: sure that I make a name for it and I
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: stand out. And then I got Russ Grimm's my offensive
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: line coach.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: That's kind of cool, you know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: So it's like you're looking at Russ, and Russ is like, listen,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to tell you how to do it,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: but I'm darn you're going to make sure that you
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: know what to do and where to be. That's my
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: job as your coach. What you did physically is what
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: got you here is what's going to keep you here.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: My job is to make sure you know how to
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: do it and when to do it and what to do.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: And so I was like, all right, well, no, not
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: the how, but you know you're going to figure out
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: your own style. I'm not here to change your style play.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: I'm just here to make sure that you do it
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: under the construct of the team. Play from play to play,
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: and we were good at that. We knew how to
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: reach safeties, defenses, We knew how to call and make
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: the adjustments.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: And go out there and know what to do is
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: how you do it. That's all on you.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Way over different break, but fun conversation here with Max Starks.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: We're going to continue as we look forward to Thursday
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: night's game. Max and I'll be on the call for
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that game Thursday night against the Packers. More to come
• 20:27
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  Speaker 3: Man, it looks like most of the rain is gone now.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Max is again lightening up on the horizon here as
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: at Saint Vincent College, the Dunlop Center, I believe the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Dunlop Center is getting used for the first time.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Right for the first time they've gone for practice.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: A beautiful facility.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, beautiful indoor there, full field inside, and some other
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: athletic and minutes. I think there's like a like a
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: basketball court in there too, and some other stuff. But
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: beautiful indoor facility got built just adjacent on the other
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: side of the access road here that runs behind the
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: uh let's say, I guess along behind our fields, but
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: alongside the turf field if you have ever been to
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Saint Vincent's and right up the road across from the dorms.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: So beautiful facility. First time they're utilizing it for practice purpose.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: They did their mobility session day one, the preconditioning type
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: of testing.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: They did that in there for the first day.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: But then everything else has been out here on the
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: fields except for Saturday night lights at Latrobe Memorial and
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: now the dun Lap Center. So so this was the
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: reason why this was put there so you could still
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: get your full work. The gymnasium, which is what we
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: used to use back in the day, is a nice facility,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: but it's.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: More walk through.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: At that point, you're not really getting the full on
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: like physicality. Whereas you go to a turf field indoors,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: you can still get it. And for these guys today,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: I think that was very important because you're doing end
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: of game scenarios. You're getting under pressure situations to get
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: these young guys ready for the end of game, you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: and so that means Will Howard Drew Aller, your second
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: and third team offensive line. A lot of rookies in
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: there that are getting their first opportunity. They've got to
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: make sure that they're day to rock and roll and
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: that you know, they're not missing an important key day
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: because this is one of two last days before you
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: actually go play the game with a physical practice where
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: you have pads on and everything else.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: So very important to get that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: They got the work in and then they got shuttled
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: with the buses afterwards after they left the facility. So
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: very important workday that they that they got in today.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's interesting again to see the camps just
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: being run differently, you know, just different than what we've
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: seen over the last almost two decades of Mike Tomlin
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: being the head coach. It's just a different field, different vibe.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say different energy level, it's just different. Yeah,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I think I think different is the keyword, right. You
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: know it's a new era, you know, it's a new regime,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: but new things are available to them as well, Like that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Dune lap center was not available.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: I imagine Mike Tomlin practice would have been a lot
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: different had he had access to an indoor field. Like
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: I remember at one point we had to like shuttle
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: the guys last year to I.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Think the Jim at Latrobe High School to do practice. Wow.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: So that's just how this evolution is. And like you said,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: the earlier practice time trying to avoid what happened today
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: normally happens later.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: In the day. So you're trying to read the farmer
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Farmer's almanac.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Trying to figure out what's the best time to a practice. Well,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: when it hits at noon, it doesn't matter. At one
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: o'clock practice versus eleven, day of practice is right dead
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: smack in the middle of anything getting done because if
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: you go on this field now after it's rained like this,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: higher us for injury, guys slipping around, So you would
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: have missed that opportunity in general. But at least at eleven,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: you know, it came out. They got the first half
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: of practice, forty five minutes of practice, and I think
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: today was a.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Two hour and twenty minute practice. Today was what was scheduled.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: So you got at least the first forty minutes of
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: that and then you adjusted and went to an indoor
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: where you could still do quality work.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: So I wanted to ask you. We talked about this
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: from Mike McCarthy's perspective earlier in the training camp. Something
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: you said last segment, maybe me think about this. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: if you are Mike McCarthy coming in right, and we
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: talked about this, he knows how to run a camp.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: He knows what he wants to do, and it's clear
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: from ota is till now how he wants things and
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: why he does certain things. There's always a reason, and
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: so there's a lot of a lot of this. I think,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: you know, we organize, we used all that stuff. I
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: want to look at this now from the player's perspective,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: especially the holdovers. You know. I would imagine the veteran
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: players who are on this team and are looking to Hey, TJ.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Watt's looking for his first playoff win. You know, Cam
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Hayward is looking to get to the promised Land as
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: far as in the postseason and making a deep run
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: in the postseason. I would imagine that a guy with
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's resume. The players are aware of that, they
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: know that, and that's going to catch their attention in
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: a positive way. That We're not going to get a
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: coach we don't know anything about who may or may
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: not be successful in the NFL level because he doesn't
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: have any track worker to being successful in the NFL level.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: We're gonna get a guy who, by the way, beat
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: the Steelers in the Super Bowl and has won a
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: championship and has coached, as you mentioned in a previous show,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: to the biggest franchises in the NFL as far as prestige,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and that's the Packers and the Cowboys street cred.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: You know, it gives him some cachet. And that's exactly
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: what it's about.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Like you bring a known commodity in here, and it's
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: the same thing if I hand you a pepsi, since
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: we have a pepsi up here. If I hand you
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: a Pepsi max now handing me PEPs for those listeners.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Or I hand you big k kola, which one are
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you gonna drink? Right?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, right, yep.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: That's just it's a brand recognition thing. So you're automatically gonna.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Trust that off the bat because because it passed the
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: eye test, the resume is there, right, he was a
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: head coach of the Green Bay Packers for thirteen years
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: and oh, by the way, he beat this very team
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: in Super Bowl forty five with that very Yes, that's right,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: so it's like.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know he is.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: And then by the way, he goes down to Dallas
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: has a successful you know, stint there. Of course they
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: didn't have the over arching success, they didn't have a
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl, but they all had winning seasons when he
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: was down there in Dallas, So you know, he comes
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: from very recognizable And we were talking about this off
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: air about what.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Gets shown on TV. Right, green Bay Packers get shown
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: on TV.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Right, Dallas Cowboys are even when they suck, are still
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: on TV. So you come from these very recognizable brands
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: and you've had success and now you come here, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: you also hear the passion that he speaks about being
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: the head coach of this team and what has meant
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: to him in his life in general.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these kids will be running through walls for him.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: So I did want to ask you this because and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I did ask you this. We were talking about this
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: during the break. So whether you were an NFL fan,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: because I think a lot of people, uh players in
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: the South, you know, if you grew up in Alabama
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: or if you grew up in Mississippi, there are you
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: know a lot of these SEC schools South Carolina SEC
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: country that is your pro team. Yeah, you know exactly.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of people in Louisiana that are
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: much bigger LSU fans than they are.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints fans.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Correct, And I think that's true all throughout the South,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the Falcons after following, But University of George is awfully
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: big down there, and then you've got Georgia Tech kind
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: of horning in there too. But yeah, you know, just
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that is like those are the pro teams. University of
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Alabama is like the pro team. Of course they're not
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: getting BAI too, Yeah, but that is the pro team. Yes,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: in in Alabama. So I wonder if some guys grew
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: up being more SEC fans than NFL fans. You ever
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: run across that are most guys pretty much NFL fans.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: So it's a good it's a funny mix because they
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: are staunch SEC and the SEC is a different it's
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: a different breeding.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Of itself, right they are.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: They are absolute nuts for their schools. But because they're
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: nuts of their schools, they follow the players beyond. So
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: if you love Amari Cooper, you know when he was
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: at Alabama, guess what, You're gonna follow Amari Cooper in
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: his career. You're not gonna tune into every game, but
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: when the games come on TV, you're gonna watch him, right,
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: because there's an affiliation with him. He's a but hey,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: roll tied out there on the NFL field, right, You're
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: gonna you're gonna see that. And to say with me,
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: like a lot of people were like, Max, man, I
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: followed your career. When I go back and do Florida stuff,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: Max Man, I followed your career. Man, I was not
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: a Steeler fan until you went on the team. And
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: then you guys got Marquis Pouncey and Chris Rainey, so
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I had to watch it. I've been a Steelers fan
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: ever since, so you do get that kind of affiliation
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: by assimilation, right, and people follow those guys when you're right,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: the first love is going to be the college team.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: They're gonna look UGA alumni is go Dogs everywhere. I mean, heck,
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: even when we were up here at camp, one guy
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: had a go Dog. He had a full University of
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Georgia outfit on coming to watch the Steelers practice. That
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: just lets you know where it's at right now, right
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: because Roderick Jones Darnell Washington are on this team and
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: they probably loved them back at Georgia and wanted to
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: follow their careers from there. So it is one of
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: those funny things. But yeah, growing up, I mean, you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: in the eighties and nineties, right, it was just network television.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: So I lived in Orlando. I don't have an set
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: team that's nearby. I had the UCF right, the Golden
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Knights was our college team. So I just watched the
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: league growing up, and I just whoever came on TV.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: So we had that conversation right catching all like John
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Madden and Pat summerw because.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: They were they were the league. They were the national guys.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: So I watched Giants and watched Lawrence Taylor and his career.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Loved LT. We talked about that, we both love LT.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I watched the Cowboys, loved him at Smith because he
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: was from Florida, you know, And I was like, okay,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: and Michael Irving and Dion's from Florida as well. Michael
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Irving's from Florida. Now I'm seeing guys that are from
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: my home state. So yes, I watched the players. I
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: didn't have a team affiliation. Then I watched a lot
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: of Dolphins as well, but you watched who was on
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: national TV. And I saw the Steelers, but I didn't
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: know any I didn't know any Florida guys. Steelers right
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: in my head.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: So it's just about where you are recently and how
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you grow up.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: But I think a lot of guys in that footprint,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: which is now a lot larger than when I played
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: in SEC, because now you have your compass the state
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: of Texas, right, which which usually that which that used
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: to be the cutoff, right because we didn't have any
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Texas teams. Now we got Texas and Texas A and
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: M that are now in the sec. We didn't have Oklahoma.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma's now in there. Missouri, we didn't have Missouri. Missouri
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: is now in it. It went Tennessee to Mississippi and
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: and and and uh and Louisiana. Right, that was kind
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: of it, and you kind of met there. And then
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: you had Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina. And even
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: though we didn't have a team in North Carolina, we
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: still pulled North Carolina because of Tennessee.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: You're surrounded. Yeah, you're surrounded. You're surrounded by it. So
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: that was our footprint. So yeah, that was that was
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: the main one.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: So that brought me to the question about somebody that
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Max played for, but also somebody that these current Steelers
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: are playing for, and whether that also gives a little
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: street cred to those coaches, which we're going to talk
• 32:26
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  Speaker 3: And we thank you very much for being with us
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  Speaker 3: here in the locker room today. So uh, nope, Well,
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  Speaker 3: practice is going on, but it's it's pretty much over
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  Speaker 3: in the Dunlap Center. It might be over by now,
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  Speaker 3: probably is over.
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  Speaker 2: It is over by now because I saw all the
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  Speaker 2: school buses are lined up.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Also, today's Family Day, so families we're here. So now
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  Speaker 5: everybody's processing and probably having lunch, probably either I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if they're going to be necessarily in the actual
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  Speaker 5: dining hall they usually do Family Day. Now this is
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  Speaker 5: a new regime, so I don't know. And we're on
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  Speaker 5: air during this. So Family Day lunch is either in
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  Speaker 5: the gymnasium because of the amount of family and sometimes
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: you know it'll be in the cafeteria, but it's always
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  Speaker 5: been in the family here, but it's always been dinner
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  Speaker 5: because the practice is a later practice, so this is
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  Speaker 5: a different way.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't even know how.
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  Speaker 5: Family family lunch will go versus family dinner, but I
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  Speaker 5: know that is one of the elements there, that family's here.
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  Speaker 5: So that's why you saw the buses kind of moving
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  Speaker 5: around here, rob the school buses they have or cheese
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  Speaker 5: wagons that I like to call it the cheese wagons
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  Speaker 5: because a lot of family came up today because this
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  Speaker 5: was the official family.
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  Speaker 2: Day of practice, gotcha, So a lot more.
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  Speaker 5: People to move around back and forth than a normal
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  Speaker 5: practice environment. So they're doing that now and and that's
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  Speaker 5: kind of the element. So we have practices over I mean, heck,
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  Speaker 5: they even got the little trolley over there, fred Rogers
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  Speaker 5: trolley as I call it.
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  Speaker 2: Nice as we all remember.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, that's Rogers Centers where they have the Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they have the media gathering. Yeah yeah, I did I
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  Speaker 3: tell you this last week when jakwon Briskers family was there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but no.
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  Speaker 3: Guy asked me, are you related to Fred Rogers? Like
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: what that related to Fred Rogers? That's that must be
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  Speaker 3: what I'm going with, I said, But I told him,
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  Speaker 3: I told him I'm not, but I do have an
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  Speaker 3: indoor sweater and that outdoor sweater I did.
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  Speaker 6: At least I got a laugh out of it.
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  Speaker 3: But no, I didn't know. I'm not no relations to
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  Speaker 3: Fred Rogers.
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  Speaker 2: First one.
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  Speaker 3: The first time I've heard that.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to ask you.
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  Speaker 3: You're a young pop, you're coming into the league, you're
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  Speaker 3: a fan of the game. Was there ever a party
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  Speaker 3: that was like, whoa man, Russ Grimm, This is my coach,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Russ Grimm.
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. I don't think he was in the
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame then, but now, well he went in.
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  Speaker 2: He went in after he left us. Okay, so but
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  Speaker 2: we all.
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  Speaker 5: Went up when Russ went in because Dick Lebou went
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  Speaker 5: in too, gotcha. So all the offensive line, we all
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  Speaker 5: wore Russ grim jerseys. Nice to the Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 5: for us. And then of course all the defensive guys
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: wore lebow jerseys.
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  Speaker 2: Right, so we we had like this kind of cross sex.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: They got Lions and and and and Washington Redskins because
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  Speaker 5: still the Redskins back then. Yep, jerseys are and they're
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  Speaker 5: Steelers players, and it was like no, because these were
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  Speaker 5: our coaches. They just happened to also Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 5: players as well. And you know, Dick Lebow when they
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: you know, is one guy you could argue is a
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  Speaker 5: two timer. Yes, right player and coach because of his
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  Speaker 5: contributions to the game in the three four defense and
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: also was a was a heck of a defensive back
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  Speaker 5: for the Detroit Lions back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: He had a three time yeah, three time pro.
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  Speaker 5: But he also sixty two picks and I to say
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  Speaker 5: he actually had the league record in interceptions during his time.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, so you know you're talking about going in
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: with with great company. But but it was I mean
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: when I first got here, I mean it was not
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: only seeing the guys I was going to be playing with,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: like Jerome Bettis who I'd watched, and he was also
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: a pop culture icon as well because I watching him
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  Speaker 5: on Living Singing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he did commercials, he was in TV shows
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  Speaker 2: like that.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: La rams Era like bred all of these opportunities for
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: him and carried over when he was with the Steelers,
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  Speaker 5: and so you know, walking around there, but then yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I walk in the room, I'm like holy crap, that's
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  Speaker 5: Russ Grab And then Dick Lebau was my father's coach
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  Speaker 5: in the Bengals. He was his defensive coordinat He used
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  Speaker 5: my dad's first stand up roverbacker. Wow, when he was
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: putting in the three four defense. So you walk and
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  Speaker 5: you're like, holy crap, Like these guys are my coaches.
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  Speaker 5: Like Ken Wisdom, Hunt was a tight end with the
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  Speaker 5: Falcons down in the South, right. I catch Falcons games
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  Speaker 5: when I'd be at my grandma's house. So it's like,
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  Speaker 5: you see all these You're like, I'm here, Like I'm here.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: I had to pinch myself because there was a couple
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  Speaker 5: of times where I was just like I was staring
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  Speaker 5: right and I was just in awe of these individuals.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: And then you're like, I have the opportunity to join
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  Speaker 5: this club, right, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a it's a pretty surreal moment.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: And I think I got that because I was a
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  Speaker 5: fan of football. I grew up in Orlando, yes, so
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I didn't have a pro team affiliation. The Tampa Bay
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Buccaneers the Creamsickle Bucks was not.
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  Speaker 2: The TV watched back in the day. They were terrible.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know, I watched some Bucks games because
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  Speaker 5: of Warren sapp when he got there when I was
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  Speaker 5: in high school. But I was a defensive player. But
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  Speaker 5: nobody was tuning in to watch Buccaneers games like that. No,
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  Speaker 5: so so, yeah, so I watched the entire league growing up,
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  Speaker 5: and that's why I was like, Yeah, I didn't have
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  Speaker 5: a favorite team.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I was more of a basketball player because Orlando Magic
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  Speaker 5: came there in eighty nine. Yeah and so, and I
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: was a ball boy for the Magic, so I.
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  Speaker 2: Had a close of it.
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  Speaker 5: The arena was two blocks from my house, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So I was a big time basketball fan and football
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  Speaker 5: was just a fun and sport to watch.
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  Speaker 2: That I wanted to participate in.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, those Bucks before just a little before
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: your time, lost their first twenty six games in NFL existence. Yeah,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: oh and fourteen to zero and twelve. Their coach was
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: John McKay, the legendary coach at USC who just had
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  Speaker 3: some amazing, amazing quotes. Just a couple for those of
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  Speaker 3: you who are not familiar with John McKay. Somebody said,
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  Speaker 3: after the game, Hey, what did you think of your team?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: What do you think your team's execution? He said, I'm
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  Speaker 3: all for it. And then and then the other one
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  Speaker 3: was he started a press conference, he said, well, we
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  Speaker 3: didn't block anybody, but we made up for it by
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: not tackling. So that's one of my all time favorite quotes.
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  Speaker 6: He was a he was already a legendary coach at
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  Speaker 6: that time, but I mean he was, and I think
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  Speaker 6: he stuck around long enough to see them win when
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: they finally got they finally got going, and they got
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  Speaker 6: Ricky Bell out of USC and then you know, tragically
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  Speaker 6: he passed away.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was they were. They were not unentertaining
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  Speaker 3: with John Kay as a head coach. So so I
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  Speaker 3: do wonder were there any other and not asking you
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  Speaker 3: to name names, were there guys who were just like
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, And this might be an age sensitivity thing
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  Speaker 3: for me because you're in different eras, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: the older areas always says kids these days, they you know,
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  Speaker 3: I have the same work ethic we had, you know,
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  Speaker 3: as if as if civilization has been on one long
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  Speaker 3: slow decline since man first you know, stepped out of
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  Speaker 3: a cave. You know, uh, but anyway, and then so
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  Speaker 3: so that's the older generation. The younger generation is like, man,
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  Speaker 3: you don't know anything. You know, you can't even Max
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  Speaker 3: is helping me with my electronics through the commercial break.
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  Speaker 3: You can't do anything. You know, you don't know anything
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  Speaker 3: about this that. So I just wonder sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with the with the generation gap, do the players do
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  Speaker 3: all the young players did they for you understand who
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Russ Grimm was? Did any of them have to be educated?
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  Speaker 3: And I bring that up now because I'm looking at
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  Speaker 3: this d line group and I'm wondering if these young
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  Speaker 3: guys are like man Tomato Pecko Man, I used to
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  Speaker 3: watch them all the time. That dude was good. Uh
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  Speaker 3: and we know it's that when he was playing for
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  Speaker 3: the Bengals last couple of years of the Ravens, he
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: was a good player. Is that Does that give them,
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  Speaker 3: as you said earlier, some street cred?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I think And thinking of Demota Peko's case, Jerry Evans,
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  Speaker 5: who's assistant offensive line coach, like these are guys that
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: played in the formative years they were watching football, you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: and you heard these guys because, like you said, Jerry
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Evans was getting Pro Bowls and All Pro honors, so
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: you knew who he was. If you didn't watch the
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Saints live, you still knew because there was enough game
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  Speaker 5: footage and then they would release who made these teams,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: and you're checking those teams that you knew who he was.
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  Speaker 5: And I think for Demotopeco, especially like he was on
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  Speaker 5: those Bengals teams back when they were hot and you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: going through playoff runs and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: So he was a main fixture.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: And you know he had the hair you know once, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he had he had something that stood out on the
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  Speaker 5: field of uniformity.
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  Speaker 2: There was an outlier. So if you.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Watched any AFC North football in the last fifteen to
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: twenty years, you knew who Demotopeco was, right. And I
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: think that that helps when you bring those guys in
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  Speaker 5: the room, because they insulate a group and they allow
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: that group to feel good, like, man, this guy gets
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: it because he did what we did, you know.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: And there's a different level of that.
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  Speaker 5: When I walked in that room and Russ asked me
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  Speaker 5: to pull it wasn't like Russ was telling me to
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: do something that was philosophical. Russ was doing it in
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: cracking skulls and he had And here's the other thing.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: If you didn't want to believe it, Russ would then
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: show you the drill of him doing it and why
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: we're doing the drill and him as a player was
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  Speaker 5: doing that drill, right, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, I mean, and you don't need to be a.
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  Speaker 2: Former player, like I'm sure you don't have to.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure there were a lot of players who came
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: in here and the first time they saw Mike Tomlin
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  Speaker 3: heard that booming voice, are like, man, that's Mike Tomlin.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: That guy has coached this year. You know, I saw
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  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Right, he's leader and you're looking up.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: There's gonna be a sense of all. Mike Tomlin never
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: played in the NFL. Right, you don't have to play
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: in the NFL to get that. I just wonder if
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a little more you know, and and
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: whether a conversation might happen, Hey, coach, you ever come
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: across this, because uh, there are great coaches who never
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: played at the highest level, great coaches. I just wonder
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  Speaker 3: if there's a little different way those guys are viewed
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  Speaker 3: or they just viewed simply the same way.
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  Speaker 5: No, they're view they're viewed in a different way at
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: the positional level, right exactly, because there's that's right, But
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  Speaker 5: like you said, at the leadership position that doesn't matter.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: You have to be you have to be a leader
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  Speaker 5: of men. That's a head coach.
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  Speaker 2: But you can be a great player a terrible leader.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: You'd be a great player and be a terrible coach.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And so that doesn't necessarily have to translate because
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of these guys, I mean a lot of
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: them all play college ball at least, so you know
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: that there was a football background with them, and so
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: that can help buy some of it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Now, Mike tomin was a unique case.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin comes in, he played against James Ferry and
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: now he's coaching enough, right, you know, and I think,
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: like a Jeff Fisher, Right, Jeff Fisher, how do you
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: coach one of your roommates in college in Bruce Matthews.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, you know, I can't.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I can't sit there and go, hey, you know, Bruce,
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  Speaker 5: come on, let's pick it up.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: And he's like, really, really, Jeff, is that I say?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna call him coach Fisher.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: I'm like, man, we were in the college and we
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: have stuff that Thank god for no social media, but hey, bro,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: like to tone it down.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I I know, I know, I know. Jeffrey Jeffrey Fisher.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: And that's some of the things that was funny early
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: on was having coach Tomlin here is that he's the
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: same age as a lies, He's the same age as
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Charlie Bash, He's the same age as James Ferrier. James
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: played against him when he was at UVA and he
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: was at William and Mary. Now, the other funny thing
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: is that his background was wide receiver. Because he was
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: a wide receiver, right, we never had issues with wide
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: receiver drafting, did we with find the talent in lower rounds.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: He knew how to find the gyms of players. Now
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: we had to manage the emotional state of those players,
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: which he did, which I thought he did a tremendous
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: job overall when you think about the different cast of characters.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: We've had on this team. But that's where his background is.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: So that already has a certain credibility in CACHE because
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: at least he can say to a certain degree, I
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: did it, and I did it against the collegiate level.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I made it that far. But like you said, it's
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: something about playing in the NFL. It just brings it.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: But that's the that's a position coach thing I think
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: that has a bigger.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Impact, and it just might be you go to a
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: guy in a different way, just like you go to
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: a leader of men in a in a different category
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: of question that you might have for him, that you
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: might bypass that that that former player assistant coach, like
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: this isn't really a question for him, is a question
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: for somebody else. So I just wondered about that and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: whether the players recognize, Hey, Dematopeco.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Was dude, he's a good player, man, really good. And
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: just to go back and and to my era, think
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: about this. My head coach played in Bill Kauer special teams.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: That's why our special teams was always he was. He
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: was on top of it. Both are coordinators Ken Wizzon
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: Hunt and Dick Lebou both former players. Keith Butler linebackers coach,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: was a former player, right. Darren Perry and Carnell Lake
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: both of the defense back coaches that I had back then,
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: both former players. John Mitchell was one of the first
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: African American players for Bear Bryant. Ye say more right,
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: So the cache on that defense. That's why when Mike
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Tommlan came, he didn't get to touch defense because there
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: was all stars on defense. By himself, and like you said,
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: and then Russ Russ did not transfer, but I had
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: Russ under b C and Ken wizen Hunt was OC.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: So you had that right there.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: And then you know Bruce Arians was our wide receivers coach,
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: but Ba also coached under Bear Bryant, so he came
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: in having a cachet from his coaching career about what
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: he did. And then of course Dick Hoke. Dick Holk
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: had zero layoff player for the Steelers for a long
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: time and literally immediately went into coaching and had.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Fifty plus consecutive years with the Steelers.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: So you have these guys, and then James Daniels coach
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Daniels and tight ends coach, but you had Whizz as
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: a buffer as well for James Damis.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Because we was a tight end, right, So you had
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: all of this layer on layer on layer of cache.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: And then like you said, Mike Tomlin comes in, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin makes some tweaks, but you know, it was
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of familiar.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Guys and a lot of new guys.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: And so he brought in a Ken Anderson, who a
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: legend with the with the Cincinnati Bengals and was a
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: guy who played against the Steelers for a long time.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: That comes in as your quarterbacks coach right afterwards. So
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: you have these guys, and I had Larry Zerline and
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: Larry was one of those. He was an outlier, right,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: He wasn't a former offensive lineman. He was truly a coach,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: but he had coached so long in the league that
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: you knew who he was. He was at Cleveland for
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: a while and that came over to Pittsburgh, then went
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: on to the Cardinals. So you had these veteran coaches,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: but the formative parts yet former players just bring a
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: different cachet and a different accountability to players, right because like,
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: I'm not asking you to do anything that I haven't
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: done before.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that means something.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: So the Steelers are getting ready to play a game.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: It is a game week for the Steelers. They're taking
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  Speaker 3: on the Packers on Thursday night at Acasure Stadium. Who
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  Speaker 3: are the guys that are We're looking at, like, who
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  Speaker 3: are the guys that are on you battling for spots
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  Speaker 3: and whether that means a starting spot or a roster spot,
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  Speaker 3: or trying to make a name for yourself or trying
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  Speaker 3: to jump up somewhere in the depth chart. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about those guys. We're gonna start with the
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  Speaker 3: offense today when we continue in the locker room here
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  Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network.