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Credlin | 27 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. More isis women and their children on
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Speaker 2: the way to Australia tonight. Labour says they're not helping
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Speaker 2: them but giving them an Australian passport.
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Speaker 3: Well that's plenty of help.
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Speaker 2: So why the secrecy and where are the assurances about
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Speaker 2: community safety once they arrive. The crisis at the farm
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Speaker 2: gate Victorian farmers threaten with big fines and court if
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Speaker 2: they don't allow officials onto their private land as the
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Speaker 2: bush to roll at massive transmission towers ramps up. I'll
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Speaker 2: show you extraordinary scenes tonight and speak to one of
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Speaker 2: the farmers at the center of this battle. Plus i'll
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Speaker 2: give you my take on the booing controversy at those
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Speaker 2: ANZAC services at a moment, and we'll speak to a
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Speaker 2: former essay as at Brigadier. I want to know how
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Speaker 2: veterans treaty the day in light of the arrest of
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Speaker 2: Ben Roberts Smith and it's the third time now there's
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Speaker 2: been in at ten on the life of the US President.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into the alleged Shooter's manifesto as sadly the
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Speaker 2: climate of political violence continues to escalate.
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Speaker 3: What was your thought at that moment? What did the
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Speaker 3: first lady say?
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Speaker 4: Well, my thought was, you know, I've been through this
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Speaker 4: before a couple of times.
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Speaker 2: The first I was sitting at my kitchen bench yesterday morning,
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Speaker 2: reading through the papers and the ANZAC Day coverage from Saturday,
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Speaker 2: in particular the booing from some in response to the
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Speaker 2: welcomes to country that have in recent times at least
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Speaker 2: become an official.
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Speaker 3: Part of ANZAC services.
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Speaker 2: And it was the sanctimy from the politicians that really
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Speaker 2: got under my skin, so much so that I decided
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Speaker 2: to post this message. So far, in just twenty four hours,
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Speaker 2: has been viewed some one hundred and seventy thousand times.
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Speaker 2: I'm just going through the papers and I have to say,
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Speaker 2: people booing on ANZAC Day at services.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: If you're a politician ripping into them today, you don't
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Speaker 2: get to say.
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Speaker 3: You don't get a say. People have had enough. You know,
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Speaker 3: in Victoria, my state.
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Speaker 2: Of Victoria, they voted against the voice, and yet they're
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Speaker 2: forced to have a treaty, they're forced to have all
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Speaker 2: of this other stuff.
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Speaker 3: Thrown at them.
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Speaker 2: It's like their vote doesn't matter, so I can understand
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Speaker 2: how cranky they are. Would I have done it, No,
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. But I don't do acknowledgments of country. And
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Speaker 2: often I stand there for welcomes to country, and I
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Speaker 2: boo on the inside, like we have had enough. There
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Speaker 2: might be a place for a welcome to country, but
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Speaker 2: it is not every place. It is not everywhere. Get
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Speaker 2: the message, politicians, we have had enough.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: As the granddaughter of a soldier who was wounded in
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Speaker 2: New Guinea, as the sister of a former army officer,
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Speaker 2: yes we should always be respectful. I regard as our
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Speaker 2: most solemn national day. But that goes not just for
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Speaker 2: those of us in the crowd, but organizers too. Most
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Speaker 2: of all, it's the politicians that owe us all respect.
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Speaker 2: The divisive race politics of welcoming Australians to their own
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Speaker 2: country has no place on Anzac Day, when it is
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Speaker 2: the sacrifice, not the color of our skin, that we
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Speaker 2: stand in the doorlight to honor. Yes, Aboriginal people have
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Speaker 2: worn the uniform and fought for this country from the
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Speaker 2: moment we sent our bravest off to war. But that's
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Speaker 2: not what these Indigenous elders stood at the lectern to
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Speaker 2: recognize their message to the assembled crowd was one of
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Speaker 2: landowner versus trespasser. Could it be any more insulting for
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Speaker 2: our veterans than to welcome them to the very country
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Speaker 2: that they were willing to die in order.
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Speaker 3: To defend order?
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Speaker 2: The family standing in silence to remember a loved one
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Speaker 2: who'd pay the ultimate sacrifice defending a land where they
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Speaker 2: were now being made to feel unwelcome, indeed illegitimate. Here
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Speaker 2: is Ray Minicorn, the Indigenous elder who delivered the welcome
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Speaker 2: to country at the Sydney Dawn Service, a man who
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Speaker 2: served Australia for two years as a driver, and the
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Speaker 2: citizens Military forces of the fifty first Battalion, Royal Queensland Regiment.
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Speaker 2: Interviewed earlier today by my colleague Laura.
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Speaker 5: Jays, if I came into your home, I'd expect you
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Speaker 5: to acknowledge that this is your home, this is your house,
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Speaker 5: this is and we're there to show the deepest respect
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Speaker 5: to the host. And that's all we're saying is that
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Speaker 5: you're on our country, in our land. Just acknowledge it
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Speaker 5: and respect whose land you're on. It's not that difficult
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Speaker 5: to understand for me.
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Speaker 3: Well it is for me.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Ray, because your land is my land. To
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Speaker 2: your country is my country. After all, Credlins have been
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Speaker 2: here for one hundred and seventy two years. We've worked
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Speaker 2: to build and create this land. We've gone to war
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Speaker 2: to defend it. So being Australian is all that I know,
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Speaker 2: and that's how I suspect so many felt over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Commentators who accused the crowd of being disrespectful to individual
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Speaker 2: Indigenous Australians presumably, of course, paid thousands of dollars to
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Speaker 2: do these welcomes, or they missed the point. People were
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Speaker 2: not booing these men. They were booing the officials that
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Speaker 2: have forced these politically correct pantomimes on us. They were
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Speaker 2: booing the politicians that are allowing Anzac Day to be denigrated.
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Speaker 3: And divided by race.
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Speaker 2: And they were booing because they don't know how else
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Speaker 2: now to get heard, given they voted against things like
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Speaker 2: the Voice, and still governments push treaties and racial separatism
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Speaker 2: on them. Anyway, where is the official edict that says
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Speaker 2: we have to have welcomes and acknowledgments?
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Speaker 3: Anyway?
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Speaker 2: I'm not aware of any vote in the parliament that
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Speaker 2: requires me. And yet other than at weddings or funerals
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Speaker 2: that'll come, I bet you that'll come. These welcomes are everywhere,
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Speaker 2: at everything, And yet by forcing welcomes to country and
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Speaker 2: acknowledgments of country on us, whatever good will there once
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Speaker 2: was is evaporating fast. Where before an Aboriginal element was
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Speaker 2: added to an event where it was relevant, like the
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Speaker 2: AFL's upcoming in dream Time Indigenous Round, Well, now you
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Speaker 2: can hardly open an envelope without an elder giving us
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Speaker 2: a lecture about stolen land. What was once a short,
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Speaker 2: genuine welcome is now all too often a highly political rant.
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Speaker 2: Here are some of the comments made at the Melbourne
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Speaker 2: Dawn Service by Indigenous speaker Mark Brown. My country, he says,
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Speaker 2: my lands, my people, amongst other things.
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Speaker 6: I'm here to welcome everybody to my father's country, beautiful
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Speaker 6: Boomtong country.
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Speaker 7: But before we do.
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Speaker 4: That, as always, we.
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Speaker 6: Take a moment, we pay our acknowledgments, and we pay
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Speaker 6: our respects.
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Speaker 8: We pay our.
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Speaker 6: Respects to all of my ancestors, we pay our respects
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Speaker 6: to all of my elders, and we pay our respects
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Speaker 6: to all of my community members, past present, and emerging,
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Speaker 6: and we acknowledge the continuous and unbroken connection to country
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Speaker 6: for the Bumut young people. We also pay acknowledgments and
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Speaker 6: respects to all traditional custodians of Australia, Aboriginal and Torres
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Speaker 6: Strait Islander. And we pay acknowledgments and respects to all
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Speaker 6: of my Indigenous brothers and sisters from around the world.
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Speaker 2: Those remarks were tone deaf. They run for a number
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Speaker 2: of minutes, Yet nowhere anywhere that he mentioned the ANZACs,
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Speaker 2: nor did he even say the word veteran. Indeed, he
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Speaker 2: said nothing about the sacrifice of the dead at all,
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Speaker 2: or our shared.
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Speaker 3: Hope for peace in the years ahead.
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Speaker 2: So is it anyone to listening to that that these
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Speaker 2: welcomes have lost so much community support. The great solemnity
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Speaker 2: of Anzac Day is how we pause to honor the dead.
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Speaker 2: And just like a military uniform is a great leveler
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Speaker 2: and that you become part of something bigger than yourself
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Speaker 2: as an individual, so too is death. And it is
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Speaker 2: the dead that we bow our heads to remember, and
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Speaker 2: their love of our country, a love so strong that
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Speaker 2: they are willing to die to defend it. Not the
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Speaker 2: events of two hundred and fifty plus years ago. That
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Speaker 2: long long predates any of the battles that we commemorated
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Speaker 2: over the weekend. Us years we have stood together as
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Speaker 2: Australians all on Anzac Day. And then about ten years
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Speaker 2: ago these welcomes started to creep in.
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Speaker 3: And this was all done in a highly political, very
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Speaker 3: deliberate way.
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Speaker 2: Don't tell me it's somehow an attempt at unity or inclusion.
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Speaker 3: It is not. Here is Sydney's minicorn.
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Speaker 5: Once again, I said to many of our young people,
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Speaker 5: and what I'm saying to you today is that you know,
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Speaker 5: racism is not an aboriginal problem. It's a white follow problem.
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Speaker 5: Yous follows. They've got to sort through this issue in
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Speaker 5: terms of the ways in which you treat us, will
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Speaker 5: treat the hosts of this country. And if you can
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Speaker 5: do that then would have a much more better society.
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Speaker 5: But racism is not our problem.
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Speaker 2: We're not the ones dividing everyone by race. Now interesting,
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Speaker 2: there were no audible booze at the service ahead of
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Speaker 2: the traditional Anzac Day match at the MCG.
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Speaker 8: I'd like to start by acknowledging that this afternoon we
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Speaker 8: are writing on the lands of my ancestors.
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Speaker 3: The warrant Jerry people, so woman, Jack, are welcome, enjoy
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Speaker 3: the game.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, short, sharp, no lecture. And it was the
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Speaker 2: same with the races at Flement and where I was.
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Speaker 2: They had a lovely service in the mountain Yard. But
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Speaker 2: the politics weren't there either. These events, though they were
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Speaker 2: not the official dawn service. As I said, the comments
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Speaker 2: were short, they were respectful. As I said in my post,
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Speaker 2: there might be a place for a welcome to country,
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Speaker 2: but it's not every place, and it is not everywhere.
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Speaker 2: And just as I don't do an acknowledgment of country
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Speaker 2: in any speech I ever give, I've had enough of
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Speaker 2: the good jud us welcomes to country as well. One
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Speaker 2: flag for me, one country for all of us, and
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Speaker 2: no dividing Australians by their race. It's not too hard,
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Speaker 2: is it. And yet why don't our politicians listen? Because,
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Speaker 2: believe me, until they do, that reaction from crowds will
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Speaker 2: only grow. Right, let's go to Canberra for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Skyniest political reporter Riven Spargo.
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Speaker 9: Labour insists it's not helping a group of so called
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Speaker 9: ISIS brides and their children attempting to return from Syria
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Speaker 9: to Australia. Four women and nine children could depart Damascus
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Speaker 9: within days. The nine newspapers are reporting they have tickets
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Speaker 9: for a flight.
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Speaker 1: And we've made this really clear and we're not providing
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Speaker 1: any support at all.
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Speaker 9: The Coalition is arguing the government should take all possible
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Speaker 9: steps to prevent their entry into Australia.
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Speaker 7: The Labor Party we know has been assisting repatriation, whether
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Speaker 7: it's fire, DNA tess, whether it's fire issuing and distributing passports.
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Speaker 9: If the group of women and children managed to return,
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Speaker 9: they could face criminal penalties. The federal government will spend
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Speaker 9: more than a billion dollars on you bush Masters and
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Speaker 9: upgraded defense vehicles to shore up Australia's military. A fleet
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Speaker 9: of armored vehicles will also be sold to the Netherlands
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Speaker 9: following a request from the Dutch government.
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Speaker 1: The bush Master is the very best protected mobile vehicle
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Speaker 1: for armies anywhere in the world. It saves lives.
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Speaker 9: The Coalition says, Australia's defense force is not being properly funded.
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Speaker 7: That means making sure that we have the capabilities and
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Speaker 7: the technologies that are relevant in an age where warfare
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Speaker 7: is changing.
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Speaker 9: The vehicles will be manufactured in Bendigo, Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I want to move to some of the global news
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Speaker 2: because we've had President Trump speak out over after what
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Speaker 2: appears to be the latest attempt on his life, the
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Speaker 2: third such assassin nation attempt. At the same time, more
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Speaker 2: details about the man alleged to have carried out the
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Speaker 2: shooting at the White House correspondence dinner over the weekend
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Speaker 2: have emerged. Washington Correspondent Jonathan Kursley, who was there on
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Speaker 2: the night, has the latest.
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Speaker 10: Today we have learned more about the suspected shoot a
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Speaker 10: thirty one year old Cole Allen from Torrence, Los Angeles
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Speaker 10: in California, and new images released of the suspected gunman
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Speaker 10: and a firearm found at the scene. It's believed he
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Speaker 10: traveled by train to Chicago and then onto Washington, DC,
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Speaker 10: checking into the hotel of the day prior and making
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Speaker 10: that dash through the security gates just after eight thirty
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Speaker 10: pm local time last night, armed with a shotgun, a handgun,
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Speaker 10: and knives. He reportedly sent a manifesto to family members
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Speaker 10: they attempted to contact law enforcement, but the shooting had
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Speaker 10: already taken place. In his one thousand word manifesto, targets
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Speaker 10: were reportedly detailed. It was anti Christian, according to the
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Speaker 10: US President, and it carried anti Trump messages. What my
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Speaker 10: representatives do reflects on met wrote, and I am no
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Speaker 10: longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to
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Speaker 10: coat my hands with his crimes, he said, adding chillingly,
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Speaker 10: while he didn't intend for guests at the dinner or
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Speaker 10: staff to be targets, I would still go through most
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Speaker 10: everyone there to get to the targets if it were
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Speaker 10: absolutely necessary, on the basis that most people chose to
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Speaker 10: attend a speech by a pedophile, rapist and traitor and
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Speaker 10: a thus complicit. But I really hope it doesn't come
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Speaker 10: to that.
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Speaker 4: I'm not a rapist. I didn't reap anybody.
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Speaker 3: You think me, I'm not a pedophile.
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Speaker 4: You read that crap from some sec person. I said
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Speaker 4: to myself, you know, I'll do this interview and they'll
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Speaker 4: probably read the manifest or you know it's a sex person.
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Speaker 4: But you should be ashamed of yourself reading there, because
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Speaker 4: I'm not any of those things.
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Speaker 2: Jeremy Now Scotty's political contributor Chris Yeoman, Chris, look, there's
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Speaker 2: a whole lot I want to pull apart from the
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Speaker 2: events the weekend in the United States. But I have
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Speaker 2: to say what staggers me. And I've been to the
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Speaker 2: White House. I was as a political staffer, and I
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Speaker 2: know the security there. But I was at marri Lago
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Speaker 2: New year z Eve. The President was there. The security
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Speaker 2: was out of control, you know, and your passport goes
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Speaker 2: in about a month earlier. There's multiple layers of this
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Speaker 2: ring of steel, is the only way I can probably
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Speaker 2: describe it. So I am staggered that someone could check
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Speaker 2: into the hotel the day before and ostensibly what we
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Speaker 2: know is have the weapon and get that close. That's
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Speaker 2: what surprised me most.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, when you get to the third time, pert, you
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Speaker 11: do start to wonder about the Secret Service and who's
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Speaker 11: running it and how it's going with it trying to
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Speaker 11: protect the president, particularly in that environment. Let's not forget
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Speaker 11: it was twenty five years ago at that very same hotel.
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Speaker 11: It might be a lot longer than that. It was
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Speaker 11: in the nineteen eighties anyway, when Ronald Reagan was shot
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Speaker 11: coming out of that hotel. Is this form when it
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Speaker 11: comes to in that hotel. And the other thing too,
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Speaker 11: is that you know, in those environments, we know that
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Speaker 11: you usually have to go through different levels of security
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Speaker 11: to get into them. So it really does surprise me
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Speaker 11: that someone was able to get that close to the
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Speaker 11: president and that you were able to make a run
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Speaker 11: through those kinds of gates. I would have thought that
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Speaker 11: it would be harder physically to get into a space
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Speaker 11: like that. So yeah, I think that once again the
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Speaker 11: Secret Circuit Service will be answering questions about the way
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Speaker 11: it goes about defending the President, who is one of
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Speaker 11: the biggest targets on Earth.
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Speaker 2: And it's the room too, Chris, I mean, because you've
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Speaker 2: got the Vice president there, you've got the Secretary of Defense,
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Speaker 2: You've got all manner of senior politicians. I mean, if
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Speaker 2: you'd had a bomb and not a gun, let's say,
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Speaker 2: you could have really taken out the whole upper echelons
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Speaker 2: of the United States leadership group. And of course they're
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Speaker 2: at war with Iran. The timing is horrific at any time,
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Speaker 2: but I mean right now, it would have been a massive,
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Speaker 2: massive geopolitical issue. Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Look, I'm sure that crossed the mind of that it
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Speaker 11: would be assassin when he went to do it, because
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Speaker 11: you know, it would be an extraordinary thing to take
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Speaker 11: out any of those people that you were talking about,
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Speaker 11: or even to injure somebody who was.
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Speaker 3: At the event.
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Speaker 11: So happily, the good news is no one was hurt,
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Speaker 11: but it will raise again questions about the way that
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Speaker 11: the president is defended. And of course, you know in
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Speaker 11: the United States, now look, really it's a winner take
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Speaker 11: all proposition from all sides. The level of hate that
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Speaker 11: is pushed out by all political parties really against their
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Speaker 11: foes now is out of control, you know it is.
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Speaker 11: If you don't win, then the other side, as far
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Speaker 11: as you are concerned, is deeply evil and needs to
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Speaker 11: be removed by whatever means at your disposal. So I
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Speaker 11: think that the coarsening of the political debate in the
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Speaker 11: United States, and it's flying through to here, is really
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Speaker 11: behind a lot of this stuff.
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Speaker 3: So would you like about Trump? Though I.
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Speaker 2: Am staggered about his equilibrium after a like this. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is the third close call, if we could call
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Speaker 2: it that. Of course, I think the one on the
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Speaker 2: podium was by far the most terrific. But he's almost
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Speaker 2: sanguine about it. Now that should not stop all of
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Speaker 2: us and the armory and the machinery of the political
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Speaker 2: machine in the United States from being horrified and doing
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Speaker 2: everything they can to remove this stain. But he's an
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Speaker 2: extraordinary individual to sort of get up and hit the
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Speaker 2: media as he did as quickly as he did. But
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you, you know, would you put your hand
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Speaker 2: up to run for a seat in the Congress or
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Speaker 2: run for president in the United States?
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Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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Speaker 7: No.
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Speaker 11: Well, let's not forget the United States has always been
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Speaker 11: a very violent place. Like the history of assassinations in
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Speaker 11: the US is extraordinary when you compare it to a
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Speaker 11: place like Australia. We really only have had one experience
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Speaker 11: of anything like that, and that was the attack on
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Speaker 11: Arthur Callwell, and that was back in the nineteen sixties
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Speaker 11: where someone fired is shot through through his car window
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Speaker 11: at the time and you know he's covered in glass.
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Speaker 11: But beyond that, Australia much more peaceful place and a
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Speaker 11: much more peaceful society. As I say, I would hope
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Speaker 11: that we don't begin to see this sort of thing here,
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Speaker 11: but we did see elements of it of course in Bondi.
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Speaker 11: You know, that was an attack on a group of
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Speaker 11: people because of their religion, and it was religiously motivated.
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Speaker 11: So my fear is that this stuff spreads.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to an issue, and energy is dear to
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Speaker 2: your heart. And I thought of you when I read
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Speaker 2: this story this morning that Malcolm Turnbull's Snowy Hydro two
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Speaker 2: point zero. This is the two billion dollar pet project
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Speaker 2: that was going to be finished in two years. There's
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Speaker 2: a cost blowout now the analysis says it's forty two billion,
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Speaker 2: So forty billion over budget. It's now a decade on.
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Speaker 2: We've got nothing to show for it. We've got the
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Speaker 2: Energy Executive, the expert Ted Woodley behind this modeling. He
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Speaker 2: wants a Royal commission or give us your take, Chris Yillman, Well.
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Speaker 11: It stands as a signifier for the entire program, right,
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Speaker 11: is that everything that was always promised about this is
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Speaker 11: it will be great green and it will be cheaper. Well,
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Speaker 11: if you're chewing up massive amounts of a national park
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Speaker 11: and the Snowy Mountains, that's really not greener, is it.
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Speaker 11: And the amount of money is just staggering, Like even
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Speaker 11: under the official figures that we have, it's gone from
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Speaker 11: two billion to twelve billion, closer to more like twenty
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Speaker 11: And I believe Bruce Mountain, who knows what he's on
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Speaker 11: about when he's modeling these things and Ted Woodley who's
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Speaker 11: been looking at this stuff very closely as well. But
20:22
Speaker 11: doesn't this stand for almost everything that we've seen in
20:24
Speaker 11: this entire program about the energy transition, which is projects
20:28
Speaker 11: which are promised come in at way over the ticket
20:31
Speaker 11: price and that is all eventually added to your bill.
20:34
Speaker 11: The big part of what we're going to see in
20:36
Speaker 11: the long run with this program is the transmission and
20:39
Speaker 11: distribution costs beginning to balloon as all these projects blow out,
20:44
Speaker 11: as the cost inputs for all of them blowout. So
20:48
Speaker 11: in the end, the promise that it would be greener,
20:50
Speaker 11: well it certainly isn't, not when you're digging up national
20:52
Speaker 11: parts or covering the landscape in wind turbines. And is
20:55
Speaker 11: it going to be cheaper at No? And it never was.
20:57
Speaker 11: And that's the truth that should be told to the
20:59
Speaker 11: Australian people. Was near the going to be cheaper?
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Speaker 3: It's just another chapter in a very long book. We've
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Speaker 3: got a long long way to go.
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Speaker 2: But it's a sorry tale, I have to say, Chris Yulman,
21:10
Speaker 2: thank you. Let's go to the latest in the isis
21:13
Speaker 2: brides saga? Isis women? I like to call them brides?
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Speaker 2: Four women, three from Melbourne, one from Sydney, nine children
21:21
Speaker 2: are all on their way. They're in Damascus at the moment,
21:23
Speaker 2: but they're on their way to Australia. The government insists
21:27
Speaker 2: they're not helping this latter's cohort. We've heard that before,
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Speaker 2: haven't We are joining me now to discussed this in
21:32
Speaker 2: more shadow. Defense Minister James Pattison said it a welcome
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Speaker 2: I do not like the government saying that they're not
21:39
Speaker 2: repatriating these women, because the greatest gift someone in politics
21:43
Speaker 2: can give as someone outside this country is an Australian
21:48
Speaker 2: passport to come here. And they've been given an Australian passport.
21:51
Speaker 2: When you and I both know the law, it could
21:54
Speaker 2: have been revoked or it certainly could be canceled. So
21:57
Speaker 2: why aren't we doing more to keep these women out?
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Speaker 12: Well a very good question, Peter. I mean, my view
22:04
Speaker 12: is if you leave a prosperous, safe, harmonious liberal democracy
22:08
Speaker 12: to join an Islamist desk cult and listed terrorist organization,
22:12
Speaker 12: you've effectively repudiated your loyalty to Australia and you don't
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Speaker 12: deserve the assistance of the Australian government with a passport
22:18
Speaker 12: or any other document to re enter your country in
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Speaker 12: the future. And we know that the Albanezer government has
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Speaker 12: provided travel documents and passports to these people, even though
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Speaker 12: there is a power under the Passport's Act as you say,
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Speaker 12: to cancel or refuse that passport, and under the formal
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Speaker 12: Coalition government, foreign ministers routinely refused and canceled passports for
22:38
Speaker 12: ISIS fighters or suspected ISIS fighters, either who wanted to
22:41
Speaker 12: leave Australia to go enjoy ISIS or had joined ISIS
22:45
Speaker 12: and sought to come back to our country. That is
22:47
Speaker 12: in addition to other powers, including temporary exclusion orders, which
22:50
Speaker 12: allows you to lawfully keep someone offshore while they're investigated
22:53
Speaker 12: for possible terrorism offenses. Now only one of those has
22:56
Speaker 12: been used by the Albaneze government and as far as
22:59
Speaker 12: we know, none of the parts sports have been refused
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Speaker 12: or canceled, and so they have to explain why they
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Speaker 12: are seeking to facilitate these people returning to our country.
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Speaker 2: I've seen images of these women. They're completely covered in
23:10
Speaker 2: black burkers.
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Speaker 3: I mean, do you know their names?
23:14
Speaker 2: Has the opposition had a briefing as to the security
23:17
Speaker 2: work that's been done to vet them behind the scenes?
23:21
Speaker 2: Do we know if they're going to face sanctions or
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Speaker 2: charges for war crimes perhaps or some sort of international
23:28
Speaker 2: law breach when they return to Australia. I mean, there's
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Speaker 2: one thing to give them a passport. It's another thing
23:33
Speaker 2: to let them move into the suburbs with ordinary Australians
23:36
Speaker 2: who are concerned now about their safety.
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Speaker 12: I've not been briefed on this cohort. It's possible my colleagues,
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Speaker 12: including the new Shadow Home Offsairs Minister Johnny Dunham, has
23:48
Speaker 12: been briefed. But frankly, I have no confidence, given the
23:51
Speaker 12: way in which the Albanezer government has sought to gaslight
23:53
Speaker 12: Australians about this, that they are on top of this
23:56
Speaker 12: problem and that they are seeking to protect Australians from this.
23:58
Speaker 12: I mean, we know the for Home Affairs Tony Burke
24:02
Speaker 12: secretly met with a charity that has sought to encourage
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Speaker 12: these people to return to Australia, and in that meeting
24:09
Speaker 12: asked Home Affairs departmental officials to leave so you can
24:12
Speaker 12: have a private conversation with them. We also know that
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Speaker 12: one of his closest and most important political supporters, doctor
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Speaker 12: Jamal Riefi, has been an advocate for these people returning
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Speaker 12: to Australia and is seeking to facilitate their return. So
24:23
Speaker 12: the Albanza government is hopelessly compromised when it comes to
24:27
Speaker 12: this issue. They cannot put the national interests first because
24:29
Speaker 12: they're much more worried frankly about their political interests.
24:34
Speaker 2: And I'll make the point too Islamic State, the police
24:36
Speaker 2: in New South Wales. They will argue in court that
24:39
Speaker 2: they were behind the terror attack at Bondai. And we
24:42
Speaker 2: saw only just the other day evidence of an English
24:46
Speaker 2: newsletter put out by Islamic State to try and radicalize
24:49
Speaker 2: more people and get them to act as allegedly these
24:53
Speaker 2: men acted in Bondai to basically kill and slaughter anyone
24:59
Speaker 2: who doesn't here to radical Islam.
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Speaker 3: I want to get a comment from you.
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Speaker 2: If I can, James, about the booing and ans Ac
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Speaker 2: Day's services over the weekend. Your leader Angus Taylor has
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Speaker 2: had this to say.
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Speaker 13: Booing, whatever the cause, on an Zac Day and Anzac
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Speaker 13: Day ceremonies is absolutely inappropriate and an Australian and it
25:21
Speaker 13: shouldn't happen.
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Speaker 7: It simply shouldn't happen.
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Speaker 13: I can understand the frustration Australians feel about overuse of
25:28
Speaker 13: welcome to country. I feel that at times often actually
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Speaker 13: I think it is overused.
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Speaker 2: I made the point James that I wouldn't have done it,
25:38
Speaker 2: but I often stand that at these things where I
25:40
Speaker 2: think that the welcomes are not relevant to the event
25:43
Speaker 2: and that they are divisive, particularly if the comments are
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Speaker 2: divisive from the person making the welcome, it ain't a welcome,
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Speaker 2: I boo on the inside. And I think a lot
25:52
Speaker 2: of Australians had sympathy for those who took it upon
25:55
Speaker 2: themselves to speak up on the weekend. What can we
25:59
Speaker 2: do to wind excuse me these welcomes back? Because we
26:03
Speaker 2: never voted for them, they never went through the parliament.
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Speaker 2: Australians didn't have any say. They're being forced down our throat.
26:10
Speaker 2: They are political rants ninety percent of the time. Now
26:14
Speaker 2: this country belongs to every single one of us who
26:17
Speaker 2: wants to put in to make Australia the place it
26:21
Speaker 2: is and continue to stay the place it is. How
26:23
Speaker 2: can we do more than just say yea, they're overdone?
26:27
Speaker 3: Yea. The used to often what can we do to
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Speaker 3: change things? James?
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Speaker 12: I thought you put it very well in your editorial, Peter.
26:36
Speaker 12: There are times where it has been appropriate, and there
26:38
Speaker 12: are times where it is done well. I've been there
26:40
Speaker 12: when they've been inclusive and appropriate, and I've been there
26:42
Speaker 12: when they've been political and inappropriate, and they are overdone.
26:45
Speaker 12: And I think particularly overdone are non Indigenous people doing
26:49
Speaker 12: acknowledgments of country. I've been on zoom meetings where four
26:53
Speaker 12: or five different speakers each do an acknowledgment of country.
26:56
Speaker 12: I mean, it is just performative. It is not sincere,
27:00
Speaker 12: and it loses any special status that it might have
27:02
Speaker 12: otherwise had in the public mind. And I think Australians
27:05
Speaker 12: are fed up with that. They do think it's too much.
27:07
Speaker 12: I think the obligation is on organizers of these events.
27:10
Speaker 12: I don't want to have a country where we legislate
27:12
Speaker 12: where where you can have these things or you can't
27:14
Speaker 12: have these things. But organizers should use judgment. They should
27:17
Speaker 12: use judgment about when it's appropriate, and they should use
27:20
Speaker 12: judgment about who does it. And if someone has a
27:23
Speaker 12: track record of doing this in a political and inappropriate
27:25
Speaker 12: way that is exclusionary, that's judgmental, well, then don't invite
27:29
Speaker 12: them back. Invite the people who understand the appropriateness and
27:32
Speaker 12: the way to do it in a way that's inclusive
27:34
Speaker 12: and upholding our unity and cohesion as a country.
27:39
Speaker 2: Now it looks like the Victorian Liberals might be able
27:42
Speaker 2: to put their weapons to one side, the left faction
27:45
Speaker 2: and the right faction. It looks like there might be
27:47
Speaker 2: a president.
27:49
Speaker 3: New president.
27:50
Speaker 2: His name's Brian Locknane, elected unopposed in the upcoming meeting,
27:55
Speaker 2: so the party can then focus on the NEVMBA state election.
27:58
Speaker 3: I know is a very reluctant starter.
28:00
Speaker 2: He was the federal director for fourteen years, and I
28:03
Speaker 2: know he's reluctant to do it because he's my husband
28:06
Speaker 2: of twenty three years. But you've certainly got him over
28:09
Speaker 2: the line. Does this mean finally, you know, see you
28:13
Speaker 2: lader Phil Davis and all the sort of moy redeeming
28:16
Speaker 2: fiasco and the loan and all of that stuff.
28:18
Speaker 3: Put that to one side.
28:19
Speaker 2: And actually focus the limbs, focus on taking the fight
28:23
Speaker 2: up to labor.
28:24
Speaker 3: Is that where we're headed?
28:25
Speaker 12: James, Well, Peter, I'm very grateful that Brian has been
28:30
Speaker 12: willing to serve in these circumstances, and the Victorian Division, frankly,
28:33
Speaker 12: is very lucky to have someone of his stature, of
28:35
Speaker 12: his standing, of his experience of his expertise, willing to
28:38
Speaker 12: step in in a critical year for our party and
28:41
Speaker 12: our state. And it's a reflection of the respect he
28:44
Speaker 12: has held in that he's uncontested. But it is also reflection,
28:47
Speaker 12: as you say, Peter, that the warring tribes of the
28:50
Speaker 12: Victorian Division have been willing to put aside their differences
28:53
Speaker 12: to unite behind a stellar candidate and focused on the
28:56
Speaker 12: state election. And I think that shows we are very
28:58
Speaker 12: determined to win. And I'm grateful for members in facilitating
29:02
Speaker 12: what is a relatively unprecedented event in recent years in
29:05
Speaker 12: Victoria Division of having an uncontested presidential applicant in Brian
29:10
Speaker 12: and I'm delighted that we're going to have his services.
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Speaker 2: Might make it clear for my audience is an unpaid volunteer,
29:18
Speaker 2: but full time job between now and November, so you
29:22
Speaker 2: can have him for a while, but I'll be grateful
29:23
Speaker 2: to have him back.
29:24
Speaker 3: Thank you, James.
29:25
Speaker 2: After the break, the astounding scenes as farmers pushed back
29:28
Speaker 2: on energy companies trying to come on their properties without permission,
29:32
Speaker 2: all in the name of the rollout of.
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Speaker 3: Renewables, welcome back. Coming up.
29:40
Speaker 2: I'll be joined by a former boss of the sas
29:42
Speaker 2: for his reflections on this Year's and Sake Day, giving
29:46
Speaker 2: the events of the last couple of weeks in relation
29:49
Speaker 2: to Ben Robert Smith, but first to the astonishing scenes
29:52
Speaker 2: playing out in regional Victoria. Furious farmers are holding the
29:56
Speaker 2: line against outrageous compulsory acquisition laws through the Parliament by
30:00
Speaker 2: the Allen Labor government last year which allows energy companies
30:04
Speaker 2: to access private farmland to assess the site for new
30:08
Speaker 2: high voltage.
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Speaker 3: Power lines, whether they like it or not.
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Speaker 2: This is lands south of Sinata, all the way through
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Speaker 2: to Kerrang and the Borrom area on the Murray River border.
30:19
Speaker 2: It's all part of the victorious so called energy renewable
30:22
Speaker 2: energy transition.
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Speaker 14: Our access here today. So are you going to this
30:28
Speaker 14: episode allow us to do this work today? No, I've
30:33
Speaker 14: given you a warning and a direction, and now I'm
30:35
Speaker 14: questioning you and I'm going to direct this at you, Ben,
30:36
Speaker 14: because you're the only one I'm able to identify that
30:40
Speaker 14: anything you do is say maybe used is evidence. Are
30:44
Speaker 14: you going to allow us to assist with us by
30:47
Speaker 14: either telling me who is the response personal responsible today
30:51
Speaker 14: or allowing us access and symphacil our access today.
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Speaker 7: I'll take that as you know.
30:56
Speaker 3: If you're not going to answer reports today.
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Speaker 2: Two farmers, a father and son, have been charged for
31:03
Speaker 2: restricting access to their land, but the Department of Public
31:07
Speaker 2: Prosecution dropped that action ahead of what would have been
31:10
Speaker 2: caught proceedings today For others, hefty thousands and thousands of
31:15
Speaker 2: dollar fines, they're in the mail. One of the farmers
31:19
Speaker 2: targeted late last week was Ben Duxton, and he joins me, Now, Ben,
31:24
Speaker 2: I am tell you what. I'm coming back right into
31:26
Speaker 2: this issue, particularly ahead of the November state election. I
31:30
Speaker 2: remember you know, we talked about it a lot last
31:32
Speaker 2: year and I went up and filmed your way. This
31:36
Speaker 2: is the result of what you warned would happen. That
31:39
Speaker 2: legislation ran through the parliament last year and this is
31:42
Speaker 2: your private farmland and they are just walking on and
31:47
Speaker 2: demanding your roll over for these towers. Tell us about
31:50
Speaker 2: your encounter.
31:52
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think you see from the footage there, Peter,
31:54
Speaker 15: and other footage that people might have seen during the
31:56
Speaker 15: week on our Facebook page, on our farmers Facebook age.
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Speaker 15: But just the disrespect, the arrogance and the intimidation of
32:04
Speaker 15: these people. And these are authorized officers, so we didn't
32:06
Speaker 15: know where the authorized officers were going to come from.
32:08
Speaker 15: But they're deeper employee, so a government employee agency, and
32:13
Speaker 15: they're out there reading us the Riot Act. And I
32:16
Speaker 15: can tell you I've had calls from farmers, from ex landholders,
32:20
Speaker 15: from generational farmers, and I couldn't repeat what they said
32:25
Speaker 15: to your viewers here tonight, but just the arrogance of
32:28
Speaker 15: it and the way they're going about this really really smacks.
32:31
Speaker 15: And it's not these deeper people that we've got a
32:34
Speaker 15: problem with. It's Fairly and Squary squarely on the government
32:37
Speaker 15: and vic Grid and Alistair Parker, just Center Allen need
32:41
Speaker 15: to come out here and they need to be the
32:42
Speaker 15: ones that try to force us off our land. We
32:45
Speaker 15: live and work on these places.
32:47
Speaker 7: We're going to be there.
32:48
Speaker 15: We're not moving at a star mate at this stage,
32:51
Speaker 15: and we will stand. We're getting bigger and bigger support,
32:54
Speaker 15: grassroots support throughout Australia and we will not back down.
32:58
Speaker 7: We'll be there to fight.
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Speaker 3: Now.
33:01
Speaker 2: Remind my view is what you're fighting against here because
33:04
Speaker 2: when those transmission towers go through, anyone who is a
33:08
Speaker 2: cropper is not going to be able to use great
33:11
Speaker 2: parts of their land because of the standoff from these massive,
33:14
Speaker 2: massive towers. But of course you have lots of fires
33:17
Speaker 2: out your way and beyond to the South Australian border,
33:20
Speaker 2: and it limits aerial fire work, fire bombing and other things.
33:25
Speaker 2: Take us through some of the issues in a practical
33:27
Speaker 2: sense for farmers here now one.
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Speaker 15: Hundred percent all those things you say are actually real,
33:32
Speaker 15: the devaluation of lands and other thing. The biggest problem
33:35
Speaker 15: we have here is this isn't a policy for Australia
33:38
Speaker 15: for the future. This isn't it's not environmentally sound, it's
33:41
Speaker 15: not financially sound, it's certainly not social sound. So it
33:44
Speaker 15: gets way back to the net zero how we need
33:47
Speaker 15: to do this. This isn't going to keep the lights on.
33:50
Speaker 15: This is a government induced energy crisis they're talking about.
33:54
Speaker 15: We have Alistair Parker running around saying, you know, there's
33:56
Speaker 15: twenty six farmers holding up the critically for structure that's
34:01
Speaker 15: going to have the lights go out. Well, that's just
34:02
Speaker 15: simply not true. We've had reliable, cheap power here in
34:05
Speaker 15: Australia for many, many years and decades now, and this
34:09
Speaker 15: is just a land grab of these people. And the
34:12
Speaker 15: land's going to be owned. The whole line's going to
34:15
Speaker 15: be owned by a Spanish multinational company this is, and
34:19
Speaker 15: the government's just rolling the red carpetal as Gerald Foenne says,
34:22
Speaker 15: the diamond encrusted red carpet out. And as I said before,
34:25
Speaker 15: we live and work on this land. We will not
34:27
Speaker 15: be backing down. If they want to have a civil
34:30
Speaker 15: war with us, we'll be there and we'll stand for
34:33
Speaker 15: our rights.
34:35
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, mate, I'm coming up. I'm coming
34:36
Speaker 2: up with cameras.
34:37
Speaker 3: We're going to go to war over this issue.
34:39
Speaker 2: It is a huge issue because if they get you
34:42
Speaker 2: to roll over, if Victoria rolls over, this will be
34:45
Speaker 2: the model right across the country. And you can see
34:48
Speaker 2: with this fuel crisis what we are desperate to use
34:51
Speaker 2: in this country are the fossil fuels that we have here.
34:54
Speaker 2: It's not the wind and solar farms owned by foreigners
34:57
Speaker 2: that are at issue. So thank you, Ben, we'll talk
35:01
Speaker 2: and we'll be up there soon.
35:03
Speaker 7: Heave in touch.
35:03
Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, Get your.
35:06
Speaker 2: Phones out at home. Here is a link to the
35:08
Speaker 2: Farmers Fight Back petition. Follow that link, put in your details.
35:13
Speaker 2: Please stand with these farmers. As I say, it's Victoria now,
35:16
Speaker 2: but it's coming your way to your state and your community,
35:21
Speaker 2: all right, after the break. More on the Anzac Day
35:23
Speaker 2: commemorations across the country and the inevitable cloud that is
35:27
Speaker 2: hanging over the last couple of days following that arrest
35:31
Speaker 2: of Ben Roberts Smith. Welcome back to the calm. How
35:38
Speaker 2: cultural heritage laws have become yet another form of red
35:42
Speaker 2: tape in this cape tape, in this case black tape
35:46
Speaker 2: in a country with plenty of regulation, drowning business as
35:50
Speaker 2: it is, but first for many across the nation, Anzac
35:52
Speaker 2: Day this year felt a little different, particularly for the
35:55
Speaker 2: Vetro community, given the recent arrest of one of their
35:59
Speaker 2: own in Ben Robert Smith, as is highlighted in the
36:03
Speaker 2: brilliant documentary that aired on Channel seven last night, Bravery
36:07
Speaker 2: and Betrayal. Veterans and their families have been in limbo
36:10
Speaker 2: following the release of the Brereton Report in twenty twenty.
36:15
Speaker 8: The word is betrayal, and it's a very evocative term,
36:18
Speaker 8: and I use it very carefully, and I know it
36:22
Speaker 8: means a lot to a lot of people, but I
36:23
Speaker 8: can tell you what it means to me. It's a
36:27
Speaker 8: rupturing of the social contract that is expected when this
36:32
Speaker 8: nation sends its fighters soldiers to fight our nation's enemies
36:38
Speaker 8: and that's what has happened. And I speak not only
36:41
Speaker 8: very personally. I can talk about examples. I'm ventilating and
36:44
Speaker 8: speaking on behalf of many others who can't. A whole
36:48
Speaker 8: number of essays, veterans really broken, damaged, the individuals.
36:53
Speaker 2: I joined him now the man himself at high Brigadier
36:56
Speaker 2: Dan Fortune, a decorated soldier who served in the Special
37:00
Speaker 2: Air Service regimen and was also a commander for NATO
37:03
Speaker 2: Special Forces in Afghanistan. Dan, welcome, Thank you for joining me.
37:09
Speaker 2: I wanted, obviously to talk about Ann's a day leading
37:11
Speaker 2: up into the events on the weekend, but I wanted
37:14
Speaker 2: to touch base with someone who's worn the uniform, in your case,
37:18
Speaker 2: to a very distinguished level, to ask you how it
37:21
Speaker 2: felt this year, particularly given the events of the last
37:25
Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
37:27
Speaker 8: Well, good afternoon, Peter, and great to be with you.
37:29
Speaker 8: A huge privilege to be invited onto your show. It's
37:32
Speaker 8: been a spectrum of deeply impactful reflections this year, particularly
37:39
Speaker 8: given the seminal nature we've had, the bloodstain the water,
37:42
Speaker 8: with the horror of Bondai, and as you said, the
37:44
Speaker 8: context of Ben's circumstances. So it's been deeply impactful, and personally,
37:50
Speaker 8: I've had that roller coaster from being home this year
37:55
Speaker 8: in Perth and the wonderful celebration sheding with my family
37:59
Speaker 8: and the outpouring of support and humbling celebration of shared
38:04
Speaker 8: service with mates on the parade on Saturday. But it
38:06
Speaker 8: also can be viscerally griff filled. Today is the anniversary
38:12
Speaker 8: of the loss of landscalled Jason Marks. What are my
38:14
Speaker 8: soldiers in two thousand and eight killed in close combat?
38:17
Speaker 8: And I think of his orphaned son, the letter I
38:20
Speaker 8: had to write to his widow, and I think of
38:22
Speaker 8: the parents of people lost. So it's a real spectrum
38:24
Speaker 8: of emotions, deeply impactful.
38:28
Speaker 2: You made some really powerful comments in the docco last
38:31
Speaker 2: night about media and about trust. Let me play those again.
38:38
Speaker 8: The media has been many part of the problem, and
38:40
Speaker 8: it's very hard to have any faith in the media
38:44
Speaker 8: because the real truth is a very powerful story that
38:47
Speaker 8: Istralian public need to hear.
38:51
Speaker 2: Is this why it was so important for you to
38:53
Speaker 2: be part of that documentary post Brereton.
38:58
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and we needed an opportunity to tell our side
39:01
Speaker 8: of the story. We had a cherry picking of sensationalized
39:06
Speaker 8: pylon of demonizing of our service and the upstream injustice
39:10
Speaker 8: of the brute fiasco. We needed to have an opportunity
39:13
Speaker 8: to from the operators and was a huge privilege to
39:16
Speaker 8: me personally to be invited by guys I rate and
39:19
Speaker 8: respect so highly. The more it's the horse, these are
39:22
Speaker 8: the hitters, the operators, and tell their side of the
39:26
Speaker 8: story and highlight the injustice that's occurred in the reporting
39:31
Speaker 8: from mainstream media.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Australians have got a little bit better
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Speaker 2: of an understanding of the circumstances around the other side
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Speaker 2: of the Ben Roberts Smith story. And I know we're
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Speaker 2: not going to go into any of that in detail,
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Speaker 2: because that's a decision for the courts to make justice
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Speaker 2: or not, innocence or not, but just the totality of
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Speaker 2: the service, the number of rotations that men went on,
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Speaker 2: the gravity of the issues that they dealt with day
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Speaker 2: after day, the loss of their mates. Do you think
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Speaker 2: people now have a more rounded view?
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Speaker 8: We certainly hope so. And the meta story here is
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Speaker 8: this is a continuation of the ANZAC story. This is
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Speaker 8: the bravery, the selfless service, and I think the documentary
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Speaker 8: highlights that the aspect that's been brought to life in
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Speaker 8: the today's context the families. How powerful and evocative those
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Speaker 8: stories were, and that's a story that's echoed through time
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Speaker 8: and it's similar today to hear it. So it was
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Speaker 8: a provos to be part of it. And in the
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Speaker 8: context of today's contested environment, we need to put out
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Speaker 8: on the record. The young soldiers need to have there's
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Speaker 8: intergenerational impacts and the families in the future when they
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Speaker 8: look at the story of Afghanistan, if they were to
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Speaker 8: google it now, it wouldn't be a fair story. So
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Speaker 8: we wanted to reset the record and have an opportunity
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Speaker 8: for the hit is and the operators, the heroes and
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Speaker 8: the families to present their side. And the doco speaks itself.
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Speaker 2: Just on this vein, I want to play some comments
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Speaker 2: for an American an American Afghan veteran, and what he
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Speaker 2: said here really hit home to me.
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Speaker 16: I could not imagine what it would feel like to
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Speaker 16: be shunned by your government or people in your higher
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Speaker 16: ranks after coming home from that and serving your country
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Speaker 16: honorably and to the best of your ability.
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Speaker 2: Over the weekend too, journalists that we know so f
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Speaker 2: Yell's with in London and interviewed a very senior British
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Speaker 2: SAS officer who was looking back at what was happening
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Speaker 2: in Australia. We've been in absolute horror. You put it
41:46
Speaker 2: up against that black Hawk pilot had to say, and
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Speaker 2: he obviously served closely with a lot of Australians there,
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Speaker 2: and you feel like we're repeating Vietnam all over again.
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Speaker 8: The injustice does tend to rhyme if it doesn't repeat,
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Speaker 8: and that's a sad story. But in today's context, the
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Speaker 8: outrage from our veterans in the United Kingdom just demonstrates
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Speaker 8: the injustice has occurred and it's not tolerable. We're better
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Speaker 8: than that, is Australians and the veterans should be proud
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Speaker 8: of ourselves. We are and we want to tell our
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Speaker 8: story through the Wondering Warriors Foundation and the charity. There's
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Speaker 8: more work to be done so Australians can feel proud
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Speaker 8: of our service and veterans can through this storytelling heal
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Speaker 8: and hold people account because there's been systemic failures that
42:38
Speaker 8: need to still be brought to light. Otherwise, what was
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Speaker 8: the sacrifice for the questions that the parents the Poat family,
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Speaker 8: Hu and Jenny Poat you've had them on the story.
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Speaker 8: We're not chasing the murder of their son like we're
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Speaker 8: chasing our veterans. The OSI has not yet done. This
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Speaker 8: is ongoing intergenerational trauma. We want it held to account.
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Speaker 8: So the context of Ben being brought to the court
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Speaker 8: is what we've asked for.
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Speaker 2: Well, I know that there are a lot of Australians
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Speaker 2: who have very strong views and they are in your corner.
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Speaker 2: They're in your corner from day one, and they're in
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Speaker 2: your corner tonight, Dan Fortune, thank you for joining me.
43:18
Speaker 2: This will be something we returned to again and again
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Speaker 2: and again.
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Speaker 3: Thank you after the break.
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Speaker 2: How heritage laws in Victoria are causing big delays, This
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Speaker 2: says black Tape. The Aboriginal laws in Victoria not Aboriginal,
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Speaker 2: but laws by the Parliament in relation to original cultural approvals.
43:37
Speaker 2: Plus when will the politicians get the message on welcome
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Speaker 2: to countries? James Ashby, Nick Kata coming up. A lot
43:48
Speaker 2: of you ever asked me again about Dan Fortune service.
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Speaker 2: He was a brigadier sas brigadier is a very senior
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Speaker 2: up in the ranks battle so he was the commander
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Speaker 2: for NATO Special Forces in Afghanistan. Right now, to news
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Speaker 2: that Victoria's Aboriginal cultural Heritage laws a driving major project
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Speaker 2: delays and multimillion dollar cost blowouts by mandating complex, monopoly
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Speaker 2: controlled assessments before any development can proceed. Due to discuss
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Speaker 2: this and more soon, your fellow at the Mensies Research Center,
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Speaker 2: Nick cat and James Ashby, the chief of.
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Speaker 3: Course at One Nation.
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Speaker 2: Well, James, we know about red tape, we know about
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Speaker 2: green tape, and this is black tape. And I know
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Speaker 2: a lot of businesses in Victoria have raised this with me,
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Speaker 2: but it's now really undermining farmers, regional developments, essential services,
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Speaker 2: energy projects. I mean, it is absolutely diabolical in Victoria
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Speaker 2: and it is coming around the country.
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Speaker 17: And this is precisely what the Voice was about. This
44:53
Speaker 17: is the division that Anthony Albanezi was driving all those
44:57
Speaker 17: years ago when he was adamant that a voiced parliament
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Speaker 17: would never ever impinge upon people's rights, it wouldn't drive
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Speaker 17: prices higher. What a later rot And we're seeing this
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Speaker 17: play out not just in Victoria. This is why it's
45:11
Speaker 17: happened in Wa as well. Of course, the Rainbow Serpent
45:14
Speaker 17: you couldn't even put a bridge across the property. But
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Speaker 17: this is what's frustrating people enough to the point now
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Speaker 17: where we are getting mass people across the border from
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Speaker 17: Victoria to Queensland. Now they're taking their money with them.
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Speaker 17: They're not even bothering with this Alan government anymore and
45:30
Speaker 17: they're stopping the investment. So if you want to send
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Speaker 17: this state even further bright, keep going down this path.
45:35
Speaker 17: Australians are sick to death of the division that this
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Speaker 17: voice to Parliament or treaty or whatever you want to
45:42
Speaker 17: call it. It's got a different name in every state.
45:45
Speaker 17: Just stop it. Can we just be one nation.
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Speaker 2: That's in part what sits behind the booing at Anzac day, Nick,
45:55
Speaker 2: It is that people are so frustrated that they are
45:58
Speaker 2: not being asked about, they're not being listened. They hold,
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Speaker 2: particularly the dawn service one thing to have welcome to
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Speaker 2: country at the footy, but they particularly hold the dawn.
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Speaker 3: Service to be sacred.
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Speaker 2: And here they are at the dawn service, particularly with
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Speaker 2: the individual in Victoria getting a whole lecture where he
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Speaker 2: doesn't even mention the ANZACs or the word veteran.
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Speaker 3: Just my country, my land, my.
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Speaker 2: This my that division, division, division. And I know people
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Speaker 2: fought for freedom of speech. That's what soldiers fought and
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Speaker 2: died for. And I have to say, if you want
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Speaker 2: to boo, because that gets under your skin, I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to condemn you. I am not going to condemn you.
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Speaker 7: No.
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Speaker 18: Look, look I don't think it's nice. I don't think
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Speaker 18: it's pleasant. I don't think it's civil.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it.
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Speaker 18: But I'm not going to get in at a service.
46:48
Speaker 18: But I perfectly understand why people felt they need to
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Speaker 18: do this on this particular day, of all days, because
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Speaker 18: this is the day, as you said so eloquently in
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Speaker 18: your editorial, today, when we remember those who fought for
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Speaker 18: this country, and there's no distinction between those people. They
47:05
Speaker 18: are heroes. We need to honor them. And the idea
47:09
Speaker 18: that you introduce some kind of Aboriginal criteria into this
47:12
Speaker 18: to make people specially honorable or something that just really
47:17
Speaker 18: really does go against the grain for most people. And
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Speaker 18: I think Peter, since the referendum, and since it was
47:23
Speaker 18: clearly you know, the results of the referendum was so clear,
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Speaker 18: sixty forty people weren't sure we were voting against a
47:29
Speaker 18: particular constitutional amendment. But I think there was a general
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Speaker 18: feeling that this was a time when we said no
47:34
Speaker 18: more of this, No more of this. Every Aboriginal person
47:38
Speaker 18: is equal citizen. They're equal before God, they're equal before
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Speaker 18: the law. But to go further and to give them
47:45
Speaker 18: special rights or you know, in these Aboriginal heritage laws,
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Speaker 18: rights that actually open the way for corrupt behavior. No,
47:53
Speaker 18: we don't want that. And I think the referendum was
47:56
Speaker 18: a turning point and that's why people are now openly
47:59
Speaker 18: voicing their anger at this.
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Speaker 2: Just take me the Farah if you can, please, James.
48:06
Speaker 2: It's certainly heading up. Jeez, the Teal, the climate two
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Speaker 2: hundred backs, so called independent as she is spending a
48:14
Speaker 2: lot of coin to try and get that seat. Talk
48:17
Speaker 2: me through the latest on the preferences.
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Speaker 17: Well, I'm pleased to see the Liberal Party have said
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Speaker 17: that they will preference one nation above the Teal, which
48:27
Speaker 17: is great news. The Nationals have put us at number
48:30
Speaker 17: five on their head of Oape card, which is just
48:32
Speaker 17: in front of the Teal as well. So we appreciate
48:34
Speaker 17: that it's shaping up certainly to be an interesting race.
48:38
Speaker 17: I don't think David Farley sees this as in the
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Speaker 17: bag just yet. We've still got two weeks prepoling opens tomorrow.
48:45
Speaker 17: There needs to be a real hard look out what
48:47
Speaker 17: the teal stands for. If people are considering voting for her, understand,
48:51
Speaker 17: yeah she wants more water, but for the environment, she
48:55
Speaker 17: wants more immigration. She certainly doesn't stand for the Australia
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Speaker 17: that One Nation wants to see moving forward. And as
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Speaker 17: a teal, you only have to have a look at
49:03
Speaker 17: the history and record of voting when it comes to
49:06
Speaker 17: the other tials in Canberra. The simple fact is they
49:10
Speaker 17: vote majority of the time either with the Greens or Labor.
49:12
Speaker 17: It's a sad truth, but that's what people in Pharah
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Speaker 17: will get if you vote Tel as far as I
49:17
Speaker 17: can see, don't waste your vote on any other party
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Speaker 17: other than one Nation. We've got to get over that
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Speaker 17: fifty percent to make sure that we lock her out.
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Speaker 3: You're not wrong.
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Speaker 2: And I go all the way up there and she
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Speaker 2: hit under the bed. She didn't want to sit down
49:31
Speaker 2: and talk to my audience. So yeah, my viewers will
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Speaker 2: know what that means. She's too scared to talk to
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Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin. She's not going to be brave enough to
49:39
Speaker 2: speak up in the parliament. Hey, what's this cash out day?
49:42
Speaker 3: Nick?
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Speaker 18: I think this is terrific. I think we should be cash.
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Speaker 18: Cash is very important. It's very important that people have
49:51
Speaker 18: the right to pay in cash. It helps people with
49:54
Speaker 18: their budgets and it's part of our system here which
49:58
Speaker 18: should be preserved. Of course, the Reserve Bank would like
50:01
Speaker 18: it gone. Of course the Tax Office don't want us
50:04
Speaker 18: to be using cash at all. But I tell you what,
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Speaker 18: it is legal tender, and I totally agree with the
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Speaker 18: sentiment that we need to show the government that we
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Speaker 18: want our cash.
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Speaker 3: I'll leave it there. It's tomorrow I get to cash out.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, gentlemen. Here's Andrew