Latest / D-constructing Topics / Las Carpetas: Puerto Rico's Secret Files and a Legacy of Surveillance
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- 0:00What's going on, everybody, and what's going on, folks? My name is David,
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- 0:46got a definitely a good one and it's very as i would say uh puerto rican eccentric
- 0:50in a sense but it's always good to know
- 0:53for those people who puerto rican or at least born in puerto rico
- 0:57born in united state or wherever you're born in this world and you consider yourself Puerto Rican,
- 1:01this is a good one because this is a story that you may,
- 1:05and most likely, I'm going to go on a limb, that you may not know.
- 1:08I mean, it's one of those controversial stories.
- 1:11And if you're not Puerto Rican or outside of whatever it is,
- 1:15still enjoy this podcast, grab your family, all that good stuff.
- 1:18Because sometimes I say, listen, I always tell people in regards to my views
- 1:23and certain political views that I'm very independent, very, very independent.
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- 1:31help people kind of understand where my mindset is at, living in the United States,
- 1:37raised in the United States here, that, hey, listen, there's powers that be
- 1:40in this country historically, historically,
- 1:44have gone to other countries and, you know, done a little crazy stuff there
- 1:49with the people and the government that's also in place.
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- 2:17And this one, we're going to be talking about, and don't mind me,
- 2:21you know, I kind of woke up a little stuffy, but my throat a little,
- 2:24you know, kind of dry, so don't mind me.
- 2:27I'm not, as a matter of fact, I am having a little adult beverage,
- 2:31a little tad bit, just for the sake of, you know, with a little bit of lemon, you know, let's get it.
- 2:38But anyways, we got Puerto Rico's a week right now.
- 2:41Again, this is a Puerto Rican-centric episode, and we are talking about Las
- 2:45Calpetas, Puerto Rico's secret files. That's correct, Las Calpetas,
- 2:50or you could call them folders, if you will.
- 2:52And basically, what is like Calpeta? People will be like, okay, David, you got me there.
- 2:58And ain't that rugs? No, Calpetas could mean a lot.
- 3:01But Calpetas in this case, in this context, was basically folders or secret
- 3:06files that the Puerto Rican government with in cahoots,
- 3:11with the, if I'm not mistaken, the FBI, basically compiling, compiling, tracking.
- 3:19You know, it sounds familiar. People are going to be like, oh,
- 3:21wait a minute. This sounds familiar.
- 3:23Basically tracking, compiling, surveillance.
- 3:28People, whether it's musicians, artists, even the most common person,
- 3:33labor, who were leaning towards pro-independence.
- 3:37I want to have always said in my podcast is that I'm an advocate for the independence
- 3:42of Puerto Rico because I'm always an advocate of thinking on our own,
- 3:46even living in the United States,
- 3:48where we could unplug ourselves from the system, the political system here, and do things on our own.
- 3:55Hey, listen, if you want to be a politician or you want to run for office.
- 3:59By all means, if you're running independent, and I don't mean independent party,
- 4:03but just no label there, hey, by all means, I'm here to listen.
- 4:07Sometimes, I'm not even going to go there. That's a different podcast, but we are here.
- 4:15Again, it was just the secret civilians, basically.
- 4:19If I deconstruct your board, David, it's in Puerto Rico in the 40s,
- 4:2450s, 60s, 70s, you know, 80s.
- 4:28My understanding that the program stopped somewhere in the 80s,
- 4:30and I'm going to give the reason why and one of the reasons.
- 4:34But if your boy was saying, hey, independence, Puerto Rico, all that good stuff, guess what?
- 4:41Local government, even your neighbors, you know, we might have gotten a little
- 4:46bit of term change there. Even people will say, hey, listen,
- 4:49this person drives this. This person wakes up at four o'clock in the morning.
- 4:53This person jogs at six o'clock in the morning. They like their coffee black,
- 4:58no sugar, no nothing, just playing.
- 5:00And this person enjoys listening to some classical music. I'm just using an example in this.
- 5:06And basically that's what that folders compiled, the scalpitas.
- 5:11And everywhere you go, there was always people, surveillance,
- 5:16surveying you because you have to understand.
- 5:18In a little bit, it could be because of the Cold War. You know,
- 5:21that's one attribution for those people in regards to the Cold War,
- 5:25basically starting World War II.
- 5:28Once the defeat of the Nazis in Europe, you know, Russia and United States were
- 5:33the two superpowers, and they went at it at each other.
- 5:37You know, surveillance, I mean, crazy stories, submarines, possible,
- 5:43how can I say, atomic bomb drop, you know, wars, all that good stuff.
- 5:47You name it, you already know So now if I'm in And we're talking about being
- 5:52in the 50s, 60s, 70s You know, during the Cold War If I'm.
- 5:58You know, pro-independence advocate In the island of Puerto Rico Yeah,
- 6:02they're probably either gonna call me a communist They're gonna leave me that
- 6:05I've got Russian ties, Cuban ties So everywhere one goes,
- 6:09That if you support the independence And I'm just gonna also bring this interesting
- 6:14crazy story that at one time, and I believe it was in the late 40s,
- 6:19there was this La Ley de Moldaza gag law.
- 6:22Basically, if you show anything, because at that time you have Don Albizu Campos
- 6:27and others in the nationalist party, in a sense, or, you know,
- 6:31group that pro-independent,
- 6:33that if you display even the Puerto Rican flag at your home that you could actually,
- 6:38get arrested, or if you're not, you know, say, listen, how much people can you put in a jail, right?
- 6:44But because you keep and you silence that, even in your home, just waving,
- 6:49you know, that Puerto Rican flag there with the star and all that,
- 6:52red, blue, white, blue, whatever it is, you want to put the one of resistance,
- 6:58the black and white flag. Oh my God, you'll be done.
- 7:02You'll be done, they'll be scoping you like, you know, and keep in mind,
- 7:05of course, and obviously, this was way before the internet. Of course,
- 7:10you know, they were like, okay, come on.
- 7:13But what I'm saying is this, that even on the mind of those people, there was a paper trail.
- 7:19So even this gag law that, you know, sadly, again, this plain,
- 7:26some type of anything that has to do with your country and your homeland.
- 7:31That, yeah, somebody will be knocking on your door like, do,
- 7:33do, do, do, wait. So you got that flag because of what? You know,
- 7:37that's illegal. Imagine that.
- 7:40Being, doing something illegal that's very pro, how can I say,
- 7:45to the effect of your country and your homeland, because now it is different territory.
- 7:51It is Puerto Rico, it's no longer Borincan. Sadly, you know,
- 7:55now we are under, in that time, United States.
- 7:59You know, we're a United States colony You know, this is not the time of Tainos
- 8:02or anything So you want to display that modern time of Hey, viva Puerto Rico You know what?
- 8:08Yo, yo, what are you talking about? You, you, you, you coming with me,
- 8:13And all this time, and I've met, hey, listen, and I want to say,
- 8:18that when it comes to, you know, my views or anything to that effect,
- 8:21I want to say that one of the gifts that I've gotten living in this beautiful
- 8:25world is that I, you know, coming from Puerto Rico is that I'm an outsider looking in, right?
- 8:32And there's things that when I came to the United States, I seek You know,
- 8:36there are certain, how can I say, places, you know, in New York City,
- 8:40in the Bronx, in porridge Poor,
- 8:43you know, areas On purpose, absolutely I ain't gonna deny that So just keep
- 8:49that in mind that even on my homeland in Puerto Rico Everything,
- 8:53you know, they plant the seeds there So I've met people,
- 8:58Many people You know, some of my elders that were part of that. There were files.
- 9:06And this led, you know, to somewhat of a climate of fear type of sense.
- 9:11And again, just keep in mind that everywhere you went, I think you probably
- 9:15would go to the bathroom, there was somebody watching me. Woo, woo, woo, woo.
- 9:21Little Michael Jackson reference song. What's the other guy's name?
- 9:25I forgot what's the name of the singer, but you already know.
- 9:27But somebody's watching me. Woo.
- 9:31And the fact that anywhere you went. And there were Puerto Ricans at that time,
- 9:35those in that movement, who knew that there was something going on.
- 9:40Because remember, this is secret files.
- 9:43It's as secret as a secret, as more of a secret.
- 9:48But people kind of felt it like, like, who's this right here,
- 9:52you know, looking at me like that?
- 9:54Yo, papi, yo, yo, mommy, why are you looking at me like that, man?
- 9:57You know, with their newspaper up in their face, peeking and stuff like that.
- 10:02Like, what are you doing? So there were many Puerto Ricans that knew about Basali.
- 10:07There are those who, you know, if you had the 1954 Capitol Hill shooting in
- 10:12Puerto Rico. Well, in the United States, I take it back.
- 10:16I have a couple of Puerto Ricans out there that were wild enough,
- 10:19but, you know, for a cause.
- 10:21Because they knew that even in their homeland, they could have been gone down, you know.
- 10:26So basically, they knew, everybody knew So for those people out there that were
- 10:30pro-independent Sadly, you
- 10:32stop being that because of that fear The government is going to grab you,
- 10:37torture you Keep in mind, it's this, that we also, in the Cold War time So you know,
- 10:43the United States was ramping up its biological Am I saying that right?
- 10:48You know, their bioweapons You know, they're ramping them up Using them,
- 10:52you know, against Puerto Ricans Against blacks Here in the United States The
- 10:57natives And all that good stuff We really know that,
- 11:00Because again The connection to the Cold War Is that Is that Trust me I could go.
- 11:07If I You know This is why I'm doing this podcast Because we're gonna engage,
- 11:11And we're gonna educate people People Gonna listen to this podcast Whoever listens
- 11:15to this podcast You know Hey absolutely Listen to the whole thing,
- 11:19People love me You know There's people A lot of people have hit me up Like wow
- 11:22David I didn't know Go to that water cooler by the drop, right?
- 11:26And have that conversation like, yo, did you hear David's podcast about the las calpitas?
- 11:31Or las calpitas, the folders, the secret files.
- 11:35Because imagine that at that time, whether you're, you know,
- 11:40the fact that just you being or thinking independent, they align you.
- 11:47You know, you're a political descendant. They align you to communism, socialism.
- 11:52Oh, this guy's a radical. Hey, listen, I'm a radical.
- 11:56Sometimes I close my eyes and I imagine, okay, if I'm living in that time,
- 12:00would I be one of those radicals?
- 12:03Crazy out there. When I say crazy, it's more of educating the masses.
- 12:08I think I would be more of an educator and absolutely.
- 12:11If I had to throw my gloves and get a little fight on, because, you know,
- 12:17at one point, sadly, the powers that be in the United States of America,
- 12:22whether it's Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Laos, they cause havoc.
- 12:28And there are people that are going to wake up and say, hey,
- 12:30listen, an eye for an eye, right?
- 12:33So at that time, you know, the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, even in the 70s,
- 12:39there were kind of a couple of attacks here in American soil.
- 12:45Why saying groups of Puerto Rican, you know, what they call them macheteros, or they got other ones?
- 12:53Because we know that it's here and that, you know.
- 12:58It's kind of like in a sense of those people, Cointel Pro, you know,
- 13:04FBI just, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, they went overhand and tried
- 13:11to get all this information, you know.
- 13:14But again, Puerto Ricans just did not, couldn't pinpoint, like,
- 13:18listen, I know there's something going on.
- 13:20I feel it. You know, you have a sense that, you know, your gut is telling you
- 13:23something like, why is that person behind me? Why are they following me? They like my shoes.
- 13:29I think I would have probably said that. Yo, papi, you like my shoes?
- 13:31You like my wife? What's up, papi? What are you doing following me?
- 13:37And something happened. And in 1978, matter of fact, let me look it up.
- 13:45There's a, yes, in 1978, something happened.
- 13:51And I remember, I was not born in 1978, by the way, But growing up in the early
- 13:5780s, in Puerto Rico, in the 80s, there was just an event that happened,
- 14:01sad event, called Cerro Maravilla.
- 14:05That's C-E-R-R-O Maravilla. M-A-R-A-V-I-L-L-A.
- 14:12So what happens is this. There were a couple of two young independent activists,
- 14:18who decided to, you know what, we're going to go to a television tower.
- 14:23The accusations that they were going to I believe they were going to blow up
- 14:26the tower Or something to that effect,
- 14:29And they got intercepted You know, they took a cab And they got intercepted
- 14:33Hmm, interesting So two young independents They tell the cab driver Hey,
- 14:37listen, we're going this But the cab driver doesn't know My understanding, right?
- 14:42And they got intercepted by the police Puerto Rican police And out of nowhere
- 14:48these two Puerto Rican young men.
- 14:51Came out, were dragged, beat in, and executed.
- 14:56And that became a big thing because even Puerto Ricans, that even they were
- 15:04not in the pro-independence side of things,
- 15:07that they kind of, you know, because then you got in Puerto Rico,
- 15:10you got those who are pro-statehood supported, those who support the status
- 15:15quo at the moment, you know, commonwealth, whatever it is that we are now in
- 15:19this situation, and those in the independents.
- 15:21And the fact that these are one of those things that evaluate a lot of Puerto
- 15:25Ricans to say, you know, there's something doesn't seem right here.
- 15:30You're telling me that the police, the local police in that town,
- 15:35you're going to tell me that magically they intercepted a cab with two young
- 15:40independent Puerto Ricans going to a tower, that they were going to do some
- 15:43harm to the tower, whatever the case might be. You're going to tell me that by coincidence?
- 15:48So sadly, that led to the investigation when these individuals were executed,
- 15:53sadly, is that the police started coming out with a story.
- 15:57Oh, no, you know, eso fue, you know, self-defense, you know.
- 16:02Ellos tenían pistolas, ellos iban a matarla a nosotros. No, deja eso.
- 16:07People didn't buy it. And then it became a big case, actually.
- 16:11So that big case, it became something big. We're talking about a big case.
- 16:16I think it was 1985, 86, somewhere, where basically the governor of Puerto Rico,
- 16:22at that time knew something.
- 16:25And he was part of this whole thing of La Calpeta in cahoots with the United States.
- 16:32Even though the fact that the FBI had to investigate and came out that,
- 16:36hey, listen, something just, right? But hey, those two young gentlemen,
- 16:40they got killed by the local police. It's a Puerto Rican thing.
- 16:43But we're here to investigate. You know, we're here to find out what's going on.
- 16:47And that's when the things with the Calpetas became a thing and,
- 16:53you know, gathering information and all this operation, you know,
- 16:57that became something of an unconstitutional thing Where you're basically Hounding Compiling,
- 17:07These individuals that they just express In their opinion Or their beliefs In
- 17:11regards to Puerto Rico being independent.
- 17:14So La Calpeta is something that it brought people in the 80s,
- 17:19a lot of Puerto Ricans, to kind of, hey, neighbor, you know. No, no, no, I'm with you.
- 17:26I love America. Let's go, America, to turn people.
- 17:30And sadly, you know, it trickles down to your generations that now out of nowhere,
- 17:35from you standing your ground in regards to the independence,
- 17:38that because of this situation con La Calpeta, the foe, this, the secret files,
- 17:43Is that now You kind of change That perspective That's how I always say that,
- 17:49You thwart a revolution By using the means of fear You take away this You take
- 17:54away that And sadly people cave,
- 17:57And I always have said There's a lot of Puerto Ricans More than what The voter
- 18:03More than what the voice is There's those that support The independence But
- 18:06they're going to say We'll continue with You know Voting the status You know Quote.
- 18:12But it's definitely, and then, you know, just to give you a lesson in regards
- 18:15to that, I mean, it says, you know, I'm going to be putting the links and I'm
- 18:19hoping to do also a little video essay in regards to that.
- 18:23And it's just, you know, it was more like, you know, historical documents or
- 18:29stories or resistance, resilience.
- 18:32But just the fact that this happened in this little island,
- 18:37and just think about what happens in other places of the world,
- 18:43where United States have their hands on and imagine and just think about even,
- 18:51in this soil, this American land,
- 18:54the stuff that the government and the powers that be have done to their people.
- 18:59Fear is a thing, man. Fear is a thing.
- 19:04And sadly, we live in a time And always have been living Whether it's the media,
- 19:10music, whatever it is Out there, entertainment Whatever it is,
- 19:14the school system They numb you down.
- 19:18And they try their best to make sure that you don't know about little situations
- 19:24like this. I'll take it back. Not little.
- 19:26But to know historical things that happen even on the island of Puerto Rico.
- 19:30Because it could happen to your country. It don't matter where you at.
- 19:34I'm pretty sure. If you got a story, if you are from Dominican Republic,
- 19:38Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico, South America, if you have a story to share,
- 19:43whether it's your government in cahoots with the United States or just your
- 19:47government in itself, oppressing the people, giving them those fears, following them,
- 19:51taking away their rights, their civil rights, let me know. Hit me up.
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