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Mega Edition: What Happened To Madalina Cojocari? (10/11/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. On
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  Speaker 1: this episode we're going to talk about a missing girl
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  Speaker 1: named Madalina Kojikari who was last seen on November 21st
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  Speaker 1: when surveillance footage caught her getting off of a school bus.
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  Speaker 1: Her mom, Diana Kojikari, and her stepfather, Christopher Palmatier, claim
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  Speaker 1: that they saw her two days later at their home. However,
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  Speaker 1: on December 15th, they turned up at the local school
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  Speaker 1: and told the school resource officer that their daughter was missing.
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  Speaker 1: So for 22 days or so, they didn't tell anybody
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  Speaker 1: that their kid was missing and they just went about
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  Speaker 1: their lives like nothing was going on. Well, finally, these people,
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  Speaker 1: these so-called parents, they've been arrested. And now the police
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  Speaker 1: say that the parents clearly know more about the missing
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  Speaker 1: 11-year-old than they're letting on. Today we have an article
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  Speaker 1: from ABC News and the headline, Parents Clearly Know More
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  Speaker 1: About Missing 11-Year-Old, Police Say. North Carolina's Madalena Kojikari, 11,
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  Speaker 1: was reported missing on December 15th. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Kevin Shalvey. Missing 11-year-old Madalena Kojikari's parents clearly know
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  Speaker 1: more than they've told investigators, local police said on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: The Cornelius Police Department offered an update into the steps
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  Speaker 1: it's taken with the help of the FBI and the
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation in the 12 days
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  Speaker 1: since Kojikari was reported missing. And this is how it
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  Speaker 1: usually works when you have a missing child like this.
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  Speaker 1: The FBI will get involved. You'll have the local police involved.
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  Speaker 1: You'll have the state police involved. It's an all hands
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  Speaker 1: on deck situation whenever you have a kid go missing
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  Speaker 1: like this. We know everyone has a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 1: Captain Jennifer Thompson said in a video posted to Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: we also have questions and are doing everything we can
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  Speaker 1: with proper legal authority to get those answers. She added,
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  Speaker 1: this is a serious case of a child whose parents
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  Speaker 1: are clearly not telling us everything they know. And for me,
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  Speaker 1: that's always very, very scary and disturbing. We just saw
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  Speaker 1: the same exact thing basically happen with Leilani Simon and
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  Speaker 1: we see how that turned out. So this child is
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  Speaker 1: definitely in jeopardy and needs to be found. And when
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  Speaker 1: the parents don't report the child missing for all of
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  Speaker 1: those days, we're talking weeks, it automatically heightens my sense
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  Speaker 1: that they did something to this child, unfortunately. What other
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  Speaker 1: reason would there be for not reporting this child missing
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  Speaker 1: if you had no hand in what happened to them?
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  Speaker 1: And even with Leilani Simon, when she reported her kid missing,
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  Speaker 1: Quinton Simon, she said someone came in and snatched him,
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  Speaker 1: had this whole bogus-ass story that nobody's going to buy.
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  Speaker 1: But in this case here, the parents didn't even come
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  Speaker 1: up with a story like that. They just decided, hell,
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  Speaker 1: we're not even going to report that this kid's missing.
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  Speaker 1: And how they thought people weren't going to realize that
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  Speaker 1: this 11-year-old girl wasn't going to school, wasn't around, is
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  Speaker 1: beyond me. Every single time we hear a case like this,
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  Speaker 1: I just shake my head and wonder how these people
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  Speaker 1: actually think they're going to get away with all of this.
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  Speaker 1: During a hearing Wednesday in Mecklenburg County Court, a judge
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  Speaker 1: ordered Madalena's mother, Diana Kojakari, 37, and her stepfather, Christopher Pomater, 60,
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  Speaker 1: to surrender their passports as condition of their release if
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  Speaker 1: they are able to post bond, according to the Charlotte Observer.
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  Speaker 1: Pomater will also be required to wear an electronic ankle
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  Speaker 1: monitoring bracelet, as part of his bond conditions, the judge
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  Speaker 1: announced in court, according to the newspaper. So the judge
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  Speaker 1: is going to let these people bond out, huh? If
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  Speaker 1: they can afford the price tag, they can bond out
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  Speaker 1: while their kid's missing? That makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 1: The parents remained in custody Wednesday afternoon after Mecklenburg County
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  Speaker 1: Jail with Diana Kojari's bond set at $ 250, 000 and Palmatere's
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  Speaker 1: bond set at $ 200, 000, according to online jail records. Both
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  Speaker 1: parents were arrested on December 17th and charged under a
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina law that requires guardians to notify police within
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  Speaker 1: a reasonable time when a child goes missing. Can you
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  Speaker 1: believe we even have to have a law in the
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  Speaker 1: books that would tell parents they have to tell the
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  Speaker 1: police that their kid's missing in a reasonable amount of time?
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  Speaker 1: Is that really where we are as a society, folks,
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  Speaker 1: where people aren't even out here paying enough attention to
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  Speaker 1: their kids to report them missing in a reasonable amount
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  Speaker 1: of time? A whole ass law had to be created
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  Speaker 1: for it? The hell's going on down in North Carolina?
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  Speaker 1: The FBI last week released a surveillance video that investigators
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  Speaker 1: said showed the 11-year-old leaving her school bus on November 21st,
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  Speaker 1: which they said was the last confirmed sighting of the child.
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  Speaker 1: Her parents told investigators she's been missing since November 23rd,
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  Speaker 1: but she was reported missing on December 15th, according to
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  Speaker 1: a police report. Now, I'm going to need explanations. How
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  Speaker 1: is it that your kid's missing or you say your
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  Speaker 1: kid's missing and then you just don't get around to
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  Speaker 1: reporting them missing for all of these days later? How
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  Speaker 1: is that even possible? We're talking a serious amount of
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  Speaker 1: time that passes here without you telling anyone that this
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  Speaker 1: kid's missing. So if you really think anyone's going to
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  Speaker 1: believe your BS stories about, oh, my child went missing,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. Because it certainly
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  Speaker 1: looks to me here that these people have something to hide.
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  Speaker 1: And when you have the police coming out and saying
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  Speaker 1: that they know more than they're telling the authorities, well,
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  Speaker 1: that certainly lends some credence to the speculation, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: that these people are up to no good. And I
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  Speaker 1: hate to even speculate about something like this, but if
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  Speaker 1: you're not coming forward and telling people that your kid's missing,
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  Speaker 1: there has to be a reason why. Most people, normal
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  Speaker 1: people anyway, if their kid's missing four or five minutes
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  Speaker 1: are freaking out. Never mind this extended period of time
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  Speaker 1: where you have no idea where your kid is. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's going to buy that. And I highly doubt that
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  Speaker 1: any jury anywhere in this country is going to buy
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  Speaker 1: that either. Each faces felony charges of failure to report
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  Speaker 1: the disappearance of a child to law enforcement, police said
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  Speaker 1: in two statements. Both are scheduled to appear on Wednesday morning.
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  Speaker 1: in Mecklenburg County Court, according to the local sheriff's website. Now,
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  Speaker 1: my guess is this is the only charge that they
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  Speaker 1: were able to hit them with. And they hit them
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  Speaker 1: with it because they wanted to make sure that they
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  Speaker 1: were in the system and under arrest if that's possible.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning if they don't bond out, they know exactly where
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  Speaker 1: they are and they can be located because the police
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  Speaker 1: believe that they did something bad, unfortunately, to their child.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the police believe. And this is what we
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  Speaker 1: call a hold'em charge. And when they have something like this,
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  Speaker 1: a bigger case, but they can whack somebody with a
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  Speaker 1: smaller charge when they think that person's a suspect in
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  Speaker 1: a bigger case, they most certainly will. And we see
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  Speaker 1: it time and time again. Now, are these two going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to bond out? I don't know. Pretty
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  Speaker 1: expensive bonds, but we'll have to see. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: what their financial situation is or if they have any
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  Speaker 1: friends that are going to step up and help them
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  Speaker 1: out or anything like that. Investigators have developed and followed
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  Speaker 1: about 250 leads in the 12 days they've been searching
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  Speaker 1: for the girl, Thompson said on Tuesday. Those leads have
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  Speaker 1: been across state lines and across the globe, she said.
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  Speaker 1: We have interviewed hundreds of people in North Carolina, other states,
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  Speaker 1: and again across the globe, she said. Police have knocked
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  Speaker 1: on about 245 homes as they've gone door-to-door in the
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  Speaker 1: Victoria Bay neighborhood around Madalena Kojikari's home, Thompson said. Investigators
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  Speaker 1: have scoured hours of surveillance video from local businesses. And
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  Speaker 1: with the time frame that the investigators are working with here,
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  Speaker 1: you know they're behind the eight ball right from Jump Street.
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  Speaker 1: The first 48 hours of a missing person, very, very crucial.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of times when there's no signs of
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  Speaker 1: that person in that 48 hours, it becomes very, very,
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  Speaker 1: very difficult to track them down. But in this instance,
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  Speaker 1: my gut tells me that the parents know what's up.
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  Speaker 1: that the parents have a good idea what happened to
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  Speaker 1: this kid. Investigators received multiple search warrants for Madalena's home
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  Speaker 1: to make sure we legally gathered each and every piece
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  Speaker 1: of evidence to find Madalena, Thompson said. Police said the
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  Speaker 1: girl's school reached out to Diana Kojikari several times between
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  Speaker 1: November 23rd and December 15th when the mother reported the
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  Speaker 1: girl missing to her school. And she didn't even report
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  Speaker 1: her missing to the police, to the school. So how
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  Speaker 1: can anyone look at this case, look at this woman
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  Speaker 1: and her husband, and not think, you folks know what's up.
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  Speaker 1: Where is this kid? And imagine sitting there and not
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  Speaker 1: speaking out, not telling the police anything, and acting like
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  Speaker 1: you have no idea. You have to be one cold,
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  Speaker 1: heartless excuse for a human being to do that with anyone,
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  Speaker 1: never mind your own child. One of the challenges in
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  Speaker 1: this case, simply put, we were not notified she was gone,
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  Speaker 1: a delay of three weeks, Thompson said. Officials have worked
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  Speaker 1: to piece together a timeline of Madalena Kojikari's disappearance, according
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  Speaker 1: to an arrest sheet obtained by ABC News affiliate WSOC.
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  Speaker 1: Diana Kojikari told police Madalena went to her room that
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  Speaker 1: night to go to bed. Diana stated, her and her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Palmatur, argued that night and the next morning he
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  Speaker 1: drove to his family's house in Michigan to recover some items.
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement officials wrote in the arrest sheet, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm buying all of that. Old boy hopped in the
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  Speaker 1: whip and drove all the way up to Michigan because
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  Speaker 1: they had an argument and he wanted to go collect
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  Speaker 1: some possessions. Diana Kojikari said she went to check on
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  Speaker 1: her daughter at about 11.30 a.m. on November 24th, but
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  Speaker 1: the girl wasn't in her room, according to the arrest sheet.
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  Speaker 1: Police said Diana Kojikari told them that she'd waited until
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  Speaker 1: Palmatier returned home at about 7 p.m. on November 26th
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  Speaker 1: to ask if he knew where Madalena Kojikari was. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: imagine what kind of cold calculating monster do you have
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  Speaker 1: to be to sit around here and try and pump
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  Speaker 1: this story to somebody and think they're going to believe it.
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  Speaker 1: So your 11 year old daughter goes missing and you
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  Speaker 1: just sit around on your hands waiting for the pops
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  Speaker 1: to come home to ask them what you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a phone. Police asked Diana why, why she did not
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  Speaker 1: report Madeline a missing until mid December. And she stated
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  Speaker 1: she was worried it might start a conflict between her
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  Speaker 1: and Christopher officials wrote in the arrest sheet. Palmatier told
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  Speaker 1: police that he'd asked Diana Kojikari where Madalina was when
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  Speaker 1: he'd returned from his trip, officials wrote. Chris stated he
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  Speaker 1: spoke with Diana several times about Madalina's whereabouts over the
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  Speaker 1: next three weeks, the arrest sheet said, and both stated
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  Speaker 1: they did not know where she was, but they did
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  Speaker 1: not contact the police to report Madalina missing. Now look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to speculate too much, but it certainly
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  Speaker 1: seems like the Pops has something to do with this here,
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  Speaker 1: and he knows a lot more for sure. And the mom,
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  Speaker 1: seems to me, probably covering up for the dad. That's
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  Speaker 1: how a lot of these end up going. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: that's just my speculation from the limited amount of information
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  Speaker 1: that we have here and from what I can see
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  Speaker 1: as far as what's going on between these two numbskulls
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  Speaker 1: who call themselves parents. So we'll see where this one goes, folks.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll see what sorts of twists and turns come
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  Speaker 1: of this. But it's certainly looking like these two parents,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have a lot of explaining to do
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  Speaker 1: in front of a jury. And as far as Madalina goes,
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  Speaker 1: I hope beyond hope that she's out there and they
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  Speaker 1: find her safely. All right, folks, that's going to do
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the program. Last week, we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the unfortunate incident involving 11-year-old Madalena Kojikari, who has been
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  Speaker 1: missing now for quite some time, going all the way
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  Speaker 1: back to November. But her parents, well, they didn't report
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  Speaker 1: her as missing until weeks later. Now, the police have
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  Speaker 1: arrested her parents, and we're getting a look at what
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  Speaker 1: the search warrant and some of the charging documents have
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  Speaker 1: to say. about the evidence that the police have that
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  Speaker 1: led them to arrest this young girl's parents. So let's
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  Speaker 1: get into this article from Daily Mail, and let's get
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  Speaker 1: caught up. Headline, police seized 50 items, including three iPhones,
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  Speaker 1: from home of missing 11-year-old girl who vanished in November
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  Speaker 1: as it emerges her mom drove to a remote area
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  Speaker 1: in the mountains in North Carolina after she disappeared. So
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  Speaker 1: your daughter disappears, And you decide it's a good idea
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  Speaker 1: to drive to a remote part of the mountains? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't look guilty or suspect or anything. This article
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  Speaker 1: was authored by Andrea Cavalier. Newly released search warrants in
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  Speaker 1: the case of missing 11-year-old Madalena Kojikari have revealed that
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  Speaker 1: three iPhones were among dozens of items confiscated as police
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  Speaker 1: continue their search for the girl in North Carolina. Madalena Kojikari.
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  Speaker 1: who lives in Cornelius, a suburb of Charlotte, was last
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  Speaker 1: seen on school bus video on November 21st, but police
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  Speaker 1: said her mother did not report the girl's disappearance until
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  Speaker 1: December 15th. Her case is now being investigated as both
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  Speaker 1: a kidnapping and a missing persons case, the new documents revealed.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's been all of these weeks now, and nobody
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  Speaker 1: has seen little Madalena. Her parents are sitting in a
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  Speaker 1: jail cell and all of the evidence points to them
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  Speaker 1: knowing what happened to this little girl and not coming
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  Speaker 1: forward and telling the authorities. So how long are they
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  Speaker 1: going to keep up with this charade? Madalena's mother, Diana Kojikari, 37,
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  Speaker 1: and her stepfather, Christopher Pomater, 60, have been charged with
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  Speaker 1: failure to report a missing child and have remained in
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  Speaker 1: custody under separate bonds. The search warrants made public on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: which were previously sealed by a judge, showed that investigators
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  Speaker 1: seized T-Mobile cell phone data, emails, credit card and banking
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  Speaker 1: history information from Madeline's mother and stepfather. So they're going
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  Speaker 1: through it, right? They're going through all of the steps
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  Speaker 1: to build a case against these two for the disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of their daughter. Now, usually after 48 hours, things don't
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  Speaker 1: go well for missing people. But I hope beyond hope
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  Speaker 1: that that's different in this case, that Madalena is somewhere
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  Speaker 1: right now and she's going to be found by the authorities.
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  Speaker 1: It sure would help if her bitch-ass parents would be
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  Speaker 1: more receptive to helping out with the process. It comes
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  Speaker 1: less than a week after police posted new information to
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  Speaker 1: Facebook with reports that Madalena's mother had driven to a
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  Speaker 1: remote area in the mountains of Madison County after she
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  Speaker 1: was last seen. But before, she was reported missing. So
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  Speaker 1: why are you going on an adventure to the mountains
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  Speaker 1: when your daughter is missing? How are you doing anything
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  Speaker 1: if your daughter is missing? How are you functioning? How
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  Speaker 1: are you getting up in the morning and putting on
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  Speaker 1: your clothes? And you don't even call the police? So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: people have some questions. And guess what? Seems to me
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  Speaker 1: that they're all legitimate questions. In a Facebook post last week,
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  Speaker 1: Police asked the public to come forward if they had
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  Speaker 1: seen Madalena's mother or her vehicle in the mountains of
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  Speaker 1: Madison County, North Carolina. Cornelius police believe she traveled to
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  Speaker 1: the area, which is located deep in the Appalachian Mountains
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  Speaker 1: on the Tennessee border, after Madalena was last seen on
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  Speaker 1: November 21st, but before she was reported missing on December 15th.
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  Speaker 1: So you know what the police are inferring here, right?
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  Speaker 1: Your daughter's missing, then you go on this trip to
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  Speaker 1: the national park and nobody knows where your daughter is, huh?
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  Speaker 1: So you don't have to be a mind reader here
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  Speaker 1: to know what the police are inferring and to know
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  Speaker 1: what they're saying they think happened to little Madalena. The
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  Speaker 1: documents detail how police searched and swabbed the family home
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  Speaker 1: on Victoria Bay in Cornelius as they continue to investigate
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  Speaker 1: Madalena's disappearance. Three iPhones were seized from the house and
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  Speaker 1: police obtained warrants for the data from cell towers to
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  Speaker 1: piece together their whereabouts of Madalena's mother and stepfather before
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  Speaker 1: and after her disappearance. Madalena's mother had previously told investigators
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  Speaker 1: that her daughter does not have a phone. So all
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  Speaker 1: of the lies, all of the deceit, and your daughter
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  Speaker 1: is the one who's missing. So why are you being
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  Speaker 1: not truthful? Why are you being unhelpful? And why are
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  Speaker 1: you refusing to try and find your daughter? Well, that
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  Speaker 1: leads us to a very, very dark place, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Arrest records in the documents released Tuesday show that on
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  Speaker 1: November 23rd, the night Madalena's mother says she disappeared, that
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  Speaker 1: she had argued with her husband and that he angrily
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  Speaker 1: drove that evening to his former hometown in Michigan. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what happens. You get into an argument with
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  Speaker 1: your significant other, they hop in their whip and they
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  Speaker 1: drive thousands of miles away because that happens all the time.
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  Speaker 1: That's like the story of, oh, I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: get some milk and you never come back home. Kojikari
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  Speaker 1: also told investigators that she believed her husband put them
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  Speaker 1: in danger and said she did not report her daughter
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  Speaker 1: missing sooner because she feared conflict with him. They were
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  Speaker 1: arrested on December 17th. So according to her, she was
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  Speaker 1: scared that her husband would get agitated with her or
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  Speaker 1: get mad at her if she brought it up. So
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  Speaker 1: to avoid conflict, she just avoided the topic of her
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  Speaker 1: daughter being missing. Because, you know, that's a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: Just ignore the problem. That's going to fix it. If
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  Speaker 1: you ignore it, well, things will get better. Meanwhile, this
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  Speaker 1: kid's been missing and nobody has any idea where she is.
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  Speaker 1: Except for, perhaps, the parents. Kojikari had previously told investigators
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  Speaker 1: that Madalina's backpack and some of her clothes were missing
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  Speaker 1: from the home. She also told the police that the
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  Speaker 1: girl did not have any friends that she would stay
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: with and that being from Moldova, they did not have
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: any family in the area. Kojikari added that she had
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: been in touch with relatives in Moldova who advised her
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to go to police, but she resisted. So why would
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you resist? That's the real question. Unless, of course, you're culpable. Unless,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of course, you took part in something that harmed your daughter.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: During their search, investigators noted that the kitchen in the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: family home had an area blocked with plywood. Pomater, who
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: returned home three days after he left, said that he
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: had been building a separate apartment. Last week, DailyMail.com observed
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Brandon Roseman, the lawyer for Pomater, with two men believed
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to be private investigators, examining a fire pit where the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: family allegedly burned couch cushions following Madalena's disappearance. So this
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: girl goes missing and the family decides, hey, let's throw
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: some couch cushions into the fireplace. Now, why in the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: hell would you do something like that? Unless you're trying
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to get rid of evidence, that is. The three men
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: pulled up around noon on Friday and walked through the backyard,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: then proceeded up a staircase through a rear gate leading
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to the secluded fire pit, exclusive photos and videos by DailyMail.com show.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: They gathered around the black charred circle that burned for
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: several days in late November. Imagine what sort of evil
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: must be inside of you if you can do this
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to your own daughter, what they're alleging happened. I mean,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: this is legitimately the face of evil, folks. Never mind
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: murdering someone, but your own daughter? Or doing harm to
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: your own child? And that is exactly what the police
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: are inferring here. Now, they haven't come out and said
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that directly, but that is exactly what they are inferring
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: with this investigation. Only after noticing the DailyMail.com reporter watching
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: from outside did they step away from the pit. They
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: then examined the patio umbrella in the backyard. before entering
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the two-story brick house, spending an hour in the now
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: shuttered home and garage before wrapping up. The two investigators
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: tried to hide their faces from DailyMail.com cameras as they emerged,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: with one of them carrying what appeared to be a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: cat carrier. The family owned several cats. The cases prompted
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: anger and bewilderment among locals in Cornelius, an affluent town
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: just north of Charlotte, that the couple has called home
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: since 2017. It's like living in the middle of a
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: true crime documentary. One neighbor told DailyMail.com, can you imagine
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: this is going on at your neighbor's house, this whole
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: ass investigation, and then you find out it's about a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: little girl? Kojikari emigrated from the impoverished Eastern European nation
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of Moldova, where she reportedly participated in a reality TV
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: show on weight loss in 2014. She showed off her
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: engagement ring on the program, and there's also a glimpse
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of the little girl believed to be Madalena. Kojikari described
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: herself on LinkedIn as an independent beauty consultant selling Mary
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Kay cosmetics. However, neighbors said they'd never seen her selling.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: In fact, they said, she'd rarely been seen in public.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Her husband, Palmatur, worked as a mechanical designer at industrial
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: machinery manufacturer Ingersoll Rand in North Carolina, according to his
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: LinkedIn page, though he told neighbors that he was laid
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: off in 2020 and was working for another company an
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: hour outside of town. He also ran an etching business
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: out of his garage using a laser to engrave products
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and selling his works online. Locals described Pomater as a far-right,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: deep-state propagandist who'd fill his Facebook feed with pictures of
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: armed warriors, the American flag, Bible quotes, and anti-Biden vitriol.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: He also shared links to deep-state podcasts with neighbors. He
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: boasted to neighbors about owning a cache of guns and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: during the George Floyd protests threatened to use his weapons
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: if any protesters showed up at his house. Yeah, buddy,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: they're all coming to your house to protest. Everybody's going
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to come to your house and they're going to get
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: their protest on. You stupid moron. All of these people
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: with these kinds of fantasies. Oh, I wish the protesters
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: would come to my house or give me a break already.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Save that shit for Call of Duty. Before the arrest,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the couple's greatest issue with the locals came from a
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: more mundane issue. They had an abundance of cats that
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: would roam the streets, drawing complaints from the neighborhood association.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Diana and Pomater remain in custody on $ 250, 000 and $ 200, 000
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in bonds, respectively. So I doubt they're getting out anytime soon. Mr.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Ranter and Raver over here, Mr. Wild Stupid Ass, here's
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: an idea. Instead of ranting and raving on the internet
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: about all kinds of weird shit, why don't you tell
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the police what you did to your daughter? All right, folks,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like to contact me, you can do that at bobbycapucci
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can also find
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box. What's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: up everyone and welcome back to the program. Today we
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: have another follow-up episode and this time we're going to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: be talking about Madalina Kojikari. We talked about this case
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: previously and now there's some new information and what could
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: be a bit of a break in the case. Now,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: if you remember, Madalena Kojikari was last seen on surveillance
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: video getting off of her school bus outside her home
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in Cornelius, North Carolina, on November 21st of 2022. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: she has not been seen since. She was reported missing
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to her school on December 15th, 2022. Her parents reported
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: last seeing her on November 23rd, 2022. Madalena was last
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: seen wearing jeans, pink, purple and white Adidas shoes, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a white t-shirt and jacket. And in the aftermath of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: all of this, both parents were arrested, and they're suspected
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of knowing a lot more about the whereabouts of their
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: child than they've let on. And that brings us to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: today's story. This article was published by The Sun, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the headline, Shock Theory. Missing, Madalina Kojikari could be alive
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in eerie twist as mom's smuggling plot comes to life.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Expert warns. This article was authored by Forrest McFarland. New
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: investigations indicate that missing Madalena Kojikari could still be alive
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: after she disappeared over 100 days ago, an expert says. Boy,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that would be something, huh? The vast majority of these
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: kinds of stories that we talk about do not have
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: an ending where anyone is brought back home. And while
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I have my doubts... That's the ending that we'll see here.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I will say a little bit of hope is better
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: than none at all. 11-year-old Madalena was last seen on
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: November 23rd, 2022 at her Cornelius, North Carolina home. However,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: she was not declared missing until December 15th. So how
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: is it that as a parent, you have your kid
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: gone for all of those days and you don't report
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: your child as missing? Yeah, there's nothing suspect about that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't be brought in. You shouldn't be arrested. I mean,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: for real? How is it that you have no idea
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: where your child is, but you can't be bothered to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: call the police for, what, three weeks? And every time
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: we go through a story like this, with this kind
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of abuse of a child, I just don't understand how
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: anyone could ever engage in that kind of behavior. How
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: can you be so cruel? How can you be so
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: heartless that you want to hurt anyone, never mind a child?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But every single day, at least one of these stories
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: comes across my desk of some parent or parents who
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: have done harm to their child. And for my money,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: there's nobody worse than somebody who hurts children. So if
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: these people are found guilty of hurting their own daughter,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you know where I'm at. Volcano, lip of it, this
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: is Sparta. Detectives have shifted their investigation to pursue possible
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: angles related to drug and human trafficking. This comes after
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it was revealed that Madalena's mother, Diana, spoke about a
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: smuggling plot with a distant relative who was in communication
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: with drug traffickers, court documents allege. She was plotting a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: scheme for her and Madalena to escape her husband, Christopher Pomater, 60,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: who she had a turbulent relationship with, the search warrant reveals.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Cornelius police have not spoken publicly on the case since
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: February 14th, but said that the investigation is active and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: they wish to bring Madalena home, Captain Jennifer Thompson told
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: local NBC affiliate WCNC. And I don't know what kind
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: of vile, disgusting, broken-ass, wannabe human being you are if
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you're selling your child or giving your child away to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: human traffickers. Talk about bottom-of-the-barrel, piece-of-shit human beings. Now we
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: can start looking, doing a Venn diagram of family members
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and known associates and friends and their involvement in drugs.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So it gives another investigative tool and gives more hope
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that the young girl is still alive. Law enforcement consultant
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Roy Taylor says, told the outlet. Look, I hope beyond
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: hope that this young lady is alive, but unfortunately, Occam's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: razor is telling us something else. Maybe she was able
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to be smuggled to another area with family or friends
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: who can keep her safe, so that's our hope, but
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: we just don't know. Around 41% of human trafficking experiences
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: are facilitated by family members, according to the U.S. State Department.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Chew on that for a minute. 41% of human trafficking
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: experiences are facilitated by family members? So forget stranger danger.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Stay away from Uncle Touchy. Phone records show that Diana
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and the relative extensively communicated... on December 2nd, 2022, nearly
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: two weeks after Madalena was officially reported missing. Records reveal
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the relative conducted multiple calls to phone numbers belonging to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: unidentified targets involved in ongoing T3 drug narcotic trafficking investigations,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: according to court documents. Well, look, there's no doubt that
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: when you're dealing with drug organizations or tweakers or whatever
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the hell these people were involved in, that there is
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a possibility that this little girl could have been turned
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: over for a debt. That makes me sick to even say.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: The whole thought of that is just so disgusting that
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I can't even begin to think how anyone could ever
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: do it. Giving your child over as a drug debt.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Imagine what kind of disgusting animal you have to be.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And certainly, in my opinion anyway, that's what Madalena's parents are.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Disgusting ass animals. Cornelius police were seen with a German
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: shepherd at the Kojikari home on February 13th for about
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: two hours. WCNC reported at the time, it was the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: first time authorities were spotted at the home. In weeks,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: neighbors told the local outlet. Investigators recovered more than 40
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: items connected to Madalena's disappearance in separate searches at the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: family home conducted between December 15th and 30th. A spokesperson
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: for the town of Cornelius, previously told the U.S. Sun
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: that finding Madalena remains a top priority and they are
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: working to provide a thorough investigation. Harrowing video. Madalena was
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: last seen on video on November 21st as she got
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: off her school bus in North Carolina, according to the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Cornelius Police Department. Madalena was not reported missing until December 15th, 2022,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: three weeks after she initially vanished. Her mom, Diana Kojikari,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: reportedly claimed she waited three weeks to report her daughter
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: missing because she was worried it would cause conflict with
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: her husband, Christopher Pomater. Now, what kind of mother is
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: going to do that? I don't care how scared you are.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You go to the authorities if you think something happened
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: to your child. In fact, you give up your life
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: for your child. Those are the rules. When you become
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a parent, your life means shit. It's all about your kids, right?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Unless you're these gross-ass hillbillies. Victor Kojikari, the girl's grandfather
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: who lives in Moldova, told local outlet TVN he last
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: spoke to Madalena's mother in October of 2022. The grandfather
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: said he also occasionally got to speak with Madalena, who
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: knows a little bit of Romanian, the primary language, in Moldova.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Although Victor said the mother and daughter seemed happy, he
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: claimed Diana could only call when her husband was out
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of the house. Palmatere was reportedly against her staying in
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: touch with her Moldovan relatives. This dude strikes me as
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: an abuser and an absolute piece of trash. That's right,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I said it. Christopher Palmatere, absolute piece of trash. Anyone
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: who controls their significant other and tries to tell them
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: what they can and can't do, that's one of the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: biggest red flags you're ever going to find. And if
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: that's happening to you, get out of Dodge because things
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: are only going to progress from there. And more times
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: than not, it's going to get worse. The couple had
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a fire in their backyard the night after Madalena disappeared
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and the stepfather went on a road trip to see
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: family in Michigan the next day. Both parents remain in
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: custody after they were charged with failing to report a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: missing child. Kojikari is held on $ 250, 000 bail, while Palmatere
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: is held on $ 200, 000. Well, there's nobody that's going to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: tell me that one or both of them have no
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: idea where this little girl is. That's laughable at best.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And more than likely, in my opinion, it was this
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Palmatere guy who did something to this kid. Probably had
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the mom living in fear. She went along with it
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: like the coward she is. And this little girl is
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the one who paid the price. Now, obviously, that's speculation
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: on my part. But the idea that this little girl
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: is still alive somewhere, I find it hard to believe, unfortunately.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I want to believe that. I want to think that
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: she's going to come strolling through the door and have
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: a happy ending. Unfortunately, when we're dealing with mutants like
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: her parents, very rarely do we end up with a
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: happy ending. And you would think that if the parents
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: were going to talk and tell the investigators what happened
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to her, Madalena, then they would have done that already.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But since they haven't up until now, I highly doubt
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that they're ever going to come forward with any information
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: whatsoever that's going to lead to Madalena being returned safely.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I think we'll find out later on down
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the road that one or both of these parents were
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: involved in not only the disappearance, but something more sinister.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up everyone and
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. Today we have an update
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: on Madalena Kojikari, the girl that has been missing for
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: quite some time now after her parents didn't report her
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: missing for over a month. And then after all of that, well,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: they lied about what happened to this little girl. So
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: they have both been behind bars since. since lying to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the police, and now the police are still frantically searching
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: for Madalena. Well, according to a private investigator, who is
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: not working on the case, but has taken a look
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: at all of the documents, he says that the parents'
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: timeline could be crucial in finding the truth about the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: missing 11-year-old girl. So, let's get updated on what's going
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: on here in the case of Madalena Kojikari. Today we
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: have an article from The U.S. Sun and the headline,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Crossed Wires. Discrepancy in Madalena Kojikari's parents' timeline, crucial in
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: finding the truth about the missing 11-year-old. Expert says, this
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: article was authored by Forrest McFarland. The discrepancy in missing
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Madalena Kojikari's parents' timeline could be essential to understanding their actions,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a private investigator has said. Young Madalena, 11, was last
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: seen at her home in Cornelius, North Carolina, 20 miles
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: north of Charlotte on November 23rd, 2022. Although her mother,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Diana Kojikari, did not report her missing for 22 days.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Now imagine your kid goes missing and you don't report
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: her missing for 22 days. Yeah, nobody's going to have
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: questions for you when they find out your kid's missing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, for real? If you weren't involved in your
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: kid being missing, or didn't know where the kid went,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: or have an idea of where the kid went, don't
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you think you'd be panicked, going crazy, trying to find
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: your daughter? Would you be waiting all of those days
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: to report her missing? Of course you wouldn't, because you're
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: not a reprehensible piece of trash like her mother is. Diana, 37,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and her husband, Christopher Pomatter, 60, have been arrested and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: charged with failing to report the disappearance of a child.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: The mom told police that she did not report Madalena
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: missing out of fear that her husband would get angry
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: at her. What sort of parent doesn't report that their
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: child's in danger or that they're in fear of their
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: husband and that their child might be in danger because
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: of that fear? So the whole story that she was
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: pitching is absolute BS. It's been BS. It'll continue to
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: be BS. And she should really just tell the authorities
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: what happened to Madalena and where Madalena is. Officials have
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: said that Diana was chatting with a distant relative who
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: was involved in drug trafficking to make plans to smuggle
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: herself and her daughter out of their living situation. Speaking
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: exclusively to the U.S. Sun, private investigator Joshua Witt, who
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: is not working on this particular case. said he's heard
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: about cases like this one many times before. And there
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: certainly could be an element to the fact that she
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: was scared of her husband or whatever and was trying
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: to get out of the situation with her daughter. I mean,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: we can't just completely discount that, right? But if your
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: fear was that great and he's already behind bars, why
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you tell the police now, especially what happened to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: your daughter or where she is? He's not going to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: be able to get to you now, and without her
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: spilling the beans, that leads me to believe that she
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: was involved somehow with Madalena going missing. Diana's story could
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: be the spouse who's trying to get away from the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: abusive husband, and suddenly someone goes missing. and it turns
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: into a murder, the PI theorized. Domestic violence cases are
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a dime a dozen. It's a way more common epidemic
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: than people realize. He's not wrong about that. There's a
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: huge problem with domestic violence in this country, and I'm
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: sure around the world. So, Whenever you have a situation
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: that revolves around domestic violence, you have to look at
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: all angles that present themselves. Diana said at first that
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: he's left the night before, but later changed her story,
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  Speaker 1: according to officials. The PI, who isn't involved in this
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  Speaker 1: particular case, said that the mom could have been trying
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  Speaker 1: to cover for him and that they just didn't discuss
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  Speaker 1: that before they lied. That's the likeliest scenario here, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Occam's razor. That they were both involved in this And
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  Speaker 1: something happened to this little girl, obviously. What that is,
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  Speaker 1: I won't speculate. But something happened to her. She's not
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  Speaker 1: anywhere where the police can check on her. So something
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  Speaker 1: happened to this kid. And it's my guess that mom
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  Speaker 1: and dad were both involved. Wiz speculated that their allegedly
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  Speaker 1: turbulent relationship could have motivated her actions and said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: curious if she's scared of him to the point that
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  Speaker 1: she would cover for him. Sorry, I don't care how
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  Speaker 1: scared you are. of somebody, you should never be too
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  Speaker 1: scared that you let your child be in jeopardy. The
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  Speaker 1: idea is to protect your child or your children with
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  Speaker 1: your life if you have to. So I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear this, oh, I was scared stuff. Now, if
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  Speaker 1: it's just you in a relationship, that's an excuse that
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'll buy. Look, I was too scared to leave them.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to get killed. Okay, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: But whenever there's children involved, it becomes a whole different thing.
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  Speaker 1: And you have to throw out your own welfare at
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  Speaker 1: that point, if that's what it takes to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that your children are protected. Important date. The exact date
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  Speaker 1: that Madalena was last seen could also indicate her disappearance
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  Speaker 1: was actually a sick plot, Witt warned. The middle schooler
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  Speaker 1: was publicly spotted getting off her school bus right before
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  Speaker 1: the local schools broke for Thanksgiving. The PI said, This
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  Speaker 1: could make the investigation more difficult, as several days passed
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  Speaker 1: when she was not expected to appear in class, and
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  Speaker 1: time is certainly of the essence in a missing persons case,
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  Speaker 1: and the more time that goes by, the harder it
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  Speaker 1: becomes to locate somebody and bring them home safely. If
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  Speaker 1: that was planned intentionally, it's possible that this was foreseen
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  Speaker 1: that she was going to disappear, the PI, who has
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  Speaker 1: worked on several human trafficking cases, said. It may have
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  Speaker 1: been possible that that this had been a little more premeditation.
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  Speaker 1: After a disappearance, Witt guessed that detectives would be looking
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  Speaker 1: into the mother and stepfather's background. If they're speaking to
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  Speaker 1: family witnesses, it's possible there are wiretapping people who might
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  Speaker 1: be involved to see if anyone's going to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: he told the U.S. Sun. Police were last seen at
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  Speaker 1: the family home on February 13th with a German shepherd,
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  Speaker 1: but it's unclear if they found anything of note. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they haven't found anything that would lead them to charging
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  Speaker 1: the parents with murder or anything like that yet because
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: they're already in custody. And if they had those kind
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: of charges on them, believe me, they'd slap them with
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  Speaker 1: them right now. But as of now, they don't have that.
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  Speaker 1: So they're still trying to figure out where Madalena is
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  Speaker 1: and what happened to her. All they know is that
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  Speaker 1: they can't locate her. Harder to find. Kojikari was allegedly
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  Speaker 1: in talks with a distant family member from Moldova to
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  Speaker 1: create a plan to escape from her husband. Phone records
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  Speaker 1: show that Diana and the relative extensively communicated on December 2nd, 2022,
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  Speaker 1: nearly two weeks after Madalina was officially reported missing. Look.
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  Speaker 1: If this child was in Moldova, don't you think that
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  Speaker 1: the family would produce the child so that the mother
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't get in trouble here? So I highly doubt that
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  Speaker 1: she's with family members or anything like that, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: sold into some sort of trafficking group? Absolutely, that's a possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Records reveal the relative conducted multiple calls to phone numbers
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  Speaker 1: belonging to unidentified targets involved in ongoing T3 drug narcotic
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  Speaker 1: trafficking investigations. according to court documents. Pomatter was reportedly against
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  Speaker 1: her staying in touch with her Moldovan relatives. It's possible
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  Speaker 1: that maybe she has connections to people in more dangerous
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  Speaker 1: fields and she's tried to coordinate with them to get
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  Speaker 1: her daughter out of that, Witt said. Witt winced at
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  Speaker 1: the mention of potential human trafficking and said it's a
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  Speaker 1: huge problem that webs across the world. It is a
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  Speaker 1: gigantic problem. It's modern-day slavery. That's exactly what it is,
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  Speaker 1: and that's exactly what we should call it. It just
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  Speaker 1: makes someone way harder to find, the PI said. That
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that people don't get found, but because it's
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  Speaker 1: so established, they have ways of bypassing law enforcement detection
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. Technology from federal agents will be
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  Speaker 1: imperative to cracking a potential human trafficking ring, according to Witt,
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  Speaker 1: who also works in forensic investigations. If you don't have
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  Speaker 1: the resources, forget it. Thankfully, the FBI is involved here,
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  Speaker 1: and we all know that they have the resources, but
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they're going to find little Madalena.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about a needle in a haystack here, folks.
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  Speaker 1: I hope they really are able to leverage the federal
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  Speaker 1: resources from the FBI to get that done, he told
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  Speaker 1: the U.S. Sun. Sometimes local law enforcement doesn't quite have
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  Speaker 1: what they need to really be equipped for those types
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  Speaker 1: of investigations. Local officials say like Mecklenburg County Commissioner Pat Cotham,
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  Speaker 1: remain determined to find the missing girl. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: find Madalena, she said at a recent community event. It
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  Speaker 1: may not be today, it may not be tomorrow, but
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to stop. Well, that's reassuring. Hopefully they
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: do find her, and hopefully they find her and she's safe.
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  Speaker 1: Madalena's parents were arrested and charged with failing to report
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  Speaker 1: a child's disappearance to law enforcement. Diana is being held
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  Speaker 1: on a $ 250, 000 bond while Pomatter's bond was set at $ 200, 000.
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  Speaker 1: So neither of them are getting out of jail anytime
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  Speaker 1: soon with that kind of bond out there, and that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: a good thing. If you have some kind of knowledge
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  Speaker 1: about where your daughter is or any child, and you're
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  Speaker 1: not sharing it with the police, you deserve to sit
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  Speaker 1: in a jail cell until you figure it out. As
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: far as Madalena and what might have happened to her,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough information for us to really
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  Speaker 1: speculate in a cogent manner. One thing's for sure, though.
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  Speaker 1: Something happened to this girl. She's not around, nobody knows
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  Speaker 1: where she is, and her parents certainly know more than
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: they're letting on. So, as usual, we'll keep our eye
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  Speaker 1: on this one, and we'll continue to provide some follow-up
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  Speaker 1: updates as they become available. All of the information that
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