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Cam'ron, Charleston White & Hip Hop Vinyl - #74 · The Grounded Show

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So before we started recording, me and Quincy was talking about well, actually,
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Quincy mentioned his vinyl collection and how it's been growing, and I was
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mentioning that I had seen his stories that he's been grabbing a lot more vinyl,
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and it made me think, like, because I don't really collect hip
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hop at all as far as vinyl goes, Like I got a couple like
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I got Illmatic. I got the Illmatic with the orchestra. My brother gifted
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that to me. I got Kendrick. Hip hop is dead. I got
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damn yeah, pick Hendrick, And I think that's it. Honestly, I
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don't even think I got no more hip hop besides that. But the reason
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why I was thinking, like, dang, maybe I need to because I
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listened obviously, I'm listening to hip hop all the time on my phone,
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you know what I'm saying in my car everything. But I'm thinking, like,
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bro, like collecting the hip hop vinyl might be like a future play,
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like as far as like when I get a little older, is something
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that I might want to listen to. Also my son, his kids,
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my daughter's kids, you know what I mean. Like if I if I
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collect this stuff, that's dope to me, and like when that time comes
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and I'm a little older and they rifling through the record player collection, you
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know what I'm saying, I mean the vinyl collection, and they you know,
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they could find like all the all the dope stuff that I used to
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listen to. Not only that, and one thing, like I said,
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I got my post Vinus behind me. They're never gonna know your tastes and
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music until they go through your collection. And I don't think that's ever gonna
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matter until they cares for them to go through your collection, because it's theirs.
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Like I said, when I went through my post collection, I thought
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he had all Spanish shit. See the shit he has. He has like
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every guns and roses. He has all these old soul like in the eighties,
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ninth like even the seventies, like jazz, Like he was so big
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in the jazz and I never knew that. It never took time to appreciate
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that until like he went through his collection. I was like, damn,
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now I get it why I like this music so much. And then on
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the other side of it, the way hip hop is gone and chen years,
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who knows where hip hop is even gonna be, So you know what
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I'm saying, like, you don't hear a lot of funk anymore coming out.
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You don't hear a lot of you know, Patty label signed in music
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anymore, you know what I'm saying. So like from a standpoint of just
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where hip hop will be, Like, yeah, man, I definitely collect
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hip hop albums. Like I was saying before we booted up. You know,
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one of the things that I noticed about some of the hip hop albums
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I have, not all of them because let me get let's get it,
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you know, for real, like Kanye J, Cole jay Z. Some
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of the albums I got from them, I know for a fact they're timeless,
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They're gonna be played repeatedly. But there are some albums that it's like,
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you know, they're kind of for the time, you know what I'm
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saying, They're not really. Let me ask you a question, what is
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your approach when you select the viney of the purchase. Is it because it's
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one of your favorite or you consider it a classic, or because you know
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it's something that you should have in your collection or for me other For me,
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it's usually like something that's like I enjoyed this full project. You know
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what I'm saying, or it's a classic project like I've recently got Nelly country
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grammar. You know what I'm saying, you know, And like, for
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me, let's be one hundred percent honest. Not every song on that album
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I rock with, but it's a classic album. However, there are some
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songs way more dope than bad though exactly. Oh yeah, for sure.
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Album it has a couple of them that are kind of wag, but it's
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pretty solid all the way through. But then there's something like but then there's
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something bad real quick. But then there's something like college dropout where I can
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let that play through every time, never miss a song, and enjoy the
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entire project. And so that's like I gotta have that, you know what
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I mean. For me, it's kind of like it has to like it
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has to be a great album, or it has to include a song that
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to me is like an all timer, like a song that I always But
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that's the point I want. I made with Vinyls. You can't sit on
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the couch and hit next you know what I'm saying. You gotta get up,
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put it on the next line, you get the next line. So
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for me, the goal is what is something I can let ride that.
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Yeah, the only time I'm getting up. It's a flip it right,
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exactly exactly kind of going off that A new audition album that I copped was
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one. I mean, a new edition vinyl that I copped was one that
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was like that where I copped it for a couple of songs. But when
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I was young and heard those songs, I never had the album and I
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never heard the album, you know what I'm saying. It was that first
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album they did with Johnny Gil Can you Stand the Rain? If it is
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in Love? Bro? That that intro, if it Isn't Love is top
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five to me, you know what I'm saying. And no, I'm lying,
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if it isn't Love wasn't on that. I think if it isn't Love
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was on the album before and Johnny Gil was with them. It was just
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yeah, it was the comeback album after they already had Johnny Gil. But
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they were like kind of like in that in between phase where they weren't young,
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but they weren't old, and that's when Can You Stand the Rain came,
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you know what I mean. But that mister telephone man, no,
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no, not on that one was like their first one. Yeah, it
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was called Any Heartbreak. Okay, yeah, yeah Heartbreak. Yeah, I'm
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trying to think of the names of the songs, but I know it had
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coming Home with Me. That was a super dope one. But specific was
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that the second like when they were older, Yeah, when they were a
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little older, but not the one like that they did with Diddy when they
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were in Bad Boy. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you right now. You
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know it's funny because yeah, yeah, I'm look at him too. And
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it's still because Jagged Edge was not the second coming to them, but you
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know, they were a dope R and regroup and their first album was Jay
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Heartbreak and like they modeled after that Any Heartbreak, j E Heartbreak and like
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that was such an impact to R and B groups. They sent the president
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so like the boy band for R and Begrus. It's just so if it
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isn't, love was actually on it. Yeah, I thought it wasn't for
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some reason, but yeah, so yeah it was that and can You Stand
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the Rain. It was really the reason why I grabbed that album. But
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I always knew that Boys to Men got their name from New Editions Men,
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So when I got that album was the actually first was the actual first time
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that I heard that song, and that's one of my favorite songs, like
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probably more like I probably liked that song better than anything on the album.
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And it wasn't a song that I knew like coming up, you know what
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I mean. Like, it wasn't a song that I knew as a kid.
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It was one that I found like as a teenager that I'm like,
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oh my gosh, like this song is a banger. And see that's like
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one of the things that I started to realize that I do is like if
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there's an artist that I really like, for example, like Boys to Men,
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right, but I don't know like a specific album that I want from
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them, then that's when I'm like, all right, well, let me
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just get the greatest hits, you know what I mean, Because then at
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least I know I can let it ride, you know what I mean.
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So like kind of going to your point, Joe, like that, that's
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kind of been like my little formula where it's like if it's not a classic
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album, if it's not an album that I'll let ride through, but I
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do want you know what I'm saying, Like I got the Mary J.
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Blige, the I think the retrospective, like It's like it's kind of like
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her greatest hits, you know what I mean. So like basically that's kind
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of like my little cheat code to that. But yeah, I'm with you,
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Like if I can't let it ride all the way through, then I
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don't want it on Vinyl hey Man to kind of lead into one of the
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things we're gonna talk about today, and I just really put this together in
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my head. I'm gonna start collecting rap and I'm gonna start with Cameron Bro
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and the reason why not because Cameron is my favorite rapper, but he is
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in my top five and Bro as far as projects go, Cameron's dog underrated
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slept on even the way he raps and the things he says. Somehow people
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take it like he's stupid or he's saying because they are, and something like
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you got a piece of pizza, You got a piece of pizza. You
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know what I'm saying, Like those kind But if you listen to the whole
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verse or the whole the where it leads to and the connections he makes like
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every bar like dog, this ship is thoughtful, bro like people, and
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it kind of leads into what Ludacris was talking about in that video. There's
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a video going around on the Internet where Ludacris is saying, like one of
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his favorite, if not his favorite rap verse of all time is Cameron on
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the Rock. It's a song with Memphis league Beanie Siegel, and it was
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on Cameron's first album, Rockefeller. It was after sde and it was like,
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nah, they didn't even have a hook. It was just straight through.
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They was just straight I get, like a random sample. I felt
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like it was. I was just wondering because yeah, maybe it did.
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But yeah, it was like when Cameron's verse comes even like at the time
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you talking about Memphis Bleag Beanie Siegul, like Vne Seguel was definitely like on
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top as far as spinners go, Memphis Bleak was always on that level underneath,
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you know what I mean. But he could do his thing every once
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in a while. But dog, it's like Cameron verse came on in that
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song and you could just tell why they're featured on his album, you know
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what I mean? Because because it's like I said, like I could I
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could live with somebody saying they just don't like Cameron style. That I one
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hundred percent understand. It's a very specific and unique style, so you definitely
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gotta like it, you know what I'm saying. It's kind of like Freeway
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to me. Like Freeway to me was in a quiet taste when I first
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heard him, I'm like, bro, he is trash. Bro, it's
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not rhyming thing. But when I caught it, when my mind caught on
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to the rhyme scheme that he was on, he's one of the hardest rappers
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I ever heard. You know what I'm saying that. You know when rap
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who got the last verse? Yeah? Whoever? It means, it means
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a lot. Who gets the last verse? Yep? You know what I'm
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saying. And for those rappers to be like, yeah, Cam gets it,
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even if get it. It's his album, but there's a lot of
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features where the main artist goes first unless the features run it. And then
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for artists like Luda to respect Canon much like there was a lot of respect
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for Cam at that point from the whole industry and still to this day facts
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because it wasn't even just the music. It was like his business mind too,
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and the way he was promoting himself, and like the positions he would
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kind of maneuver himself into pause. It was like you could tell this dude
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was like kind of operating on a different level than just a rapper, you
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know what I'm saying. And it's like I said, man, I could
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understand if you don't like the style. Cool, but you can't downplay him
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like he ain't spitting or he ain't putting a thought into what he's saying,
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because I'm telling you, every Cameron song, like the whole thing is like
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he's he's putting these songs together now by accident, not you know, not
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just a magic in the studio. Now, bro, this guy is an
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artist dog Like that's why, Like you even look at something we talked about
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before about Juel Santana not necessarily having the work ethic at the time to kind
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of live up to his expectation and when the camera's things was like he used
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to say that, I mean, he said that they used to have to
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kind of force him to record, force him to go to the studio,
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really beyond him about getting the music done. And when you think back and
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you kind of see what kind of artists Cam was. You know, he
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respected the music and put time and energy into it. So he was trying
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to impart that on him, like the way Cameron was rapping. He wasn't
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just walking in the studio and just randomly spitting something and leaving. You know
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what I'm saying. These rappers want to pretend like that's like the kind of
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vibe day on, and it's like, bro, that's not the vibe day
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on. They you know, they really taking this like the ones that you
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feel like are the top ones. Bro, they not just slapping this music
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together. You know what I'm saying. That's one of the greatest like myths
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that that kind of snowballed away from jay Z, that he didn't even really
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have to do with it, but that there's like a myth that he just
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goes in the studio, here's a beat, and he just starts freestyling off
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the top of his head and then it's like these songs that we're hearing and
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it's like, bro, it's not like that though. And he has so
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much yeah, like his Rap City Basement freestyle where he's counting the money,
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you know what I'm saying, he had it down and out with Kanye Like,
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he has so much iconic shit and people and including me, I'm people
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I underappreciate and I downplayed it because of those random corny lines that I would
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hear and I'm like, oh, this guy can't rap. But this is
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a conversation I had in one of my chests with some of the New York
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homeboys that are always into New York rap, and it's like Cameron was dope,
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but once everybody heard you else there was like a he's a rap,
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he's the one with bars and YadA, YadA, YadA. But Cam still
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had he had the flow. He had the flow, and like, so
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I went back. I went after that lout clip. I went back and
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watched the verses, the locks and dipsex won. I got something to say
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about that, and we didn't even talk about versus go ahead, go ahead,
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right and you have And even though they was against each other, Jada,
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the second that beat dropped, Jada was like, oh you had to
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do this. Jada was hype and then he was like filling in and the
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Adam li hab been the lyrics for him. He knew his whole verse.
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And that's how you know, like if you wasn't nice, nobody would know
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your shit. Like you're talking about Jada Kiss, Like this is a guy
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that like at one point he was like the crown jewel of rappers. Everybody
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had him like in their top five, if not number one, as far
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as like never missing with a verse, you know what I mean. But
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it's funny, man, because like I honestly feel like and I would like
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for somebody to ask him this man, Like I feel like Cameron low Key
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took what Jadakis said in verses professionally personally, you know what I'm saying,
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Like in a sense of like you know, I don't know if y'all remember,
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but when they were doing that versus, Jadakis's big thing was like y'all
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over here trying to look like models. You know, you're not even rapping
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your verses, you singing over songs, doing karaoke like we're MC's, we
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real rappers, rappers like Jadakiss was like, Yo, we got the bangers
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and we gonna outperform you. You know what I'm saying. And I feel
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like Cameron has always been that type of dude. Like if you watch him
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live shows and stuff like that, he raped everything, like you don't just
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be standing there, you know, being too cool, you know, letting
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the audience do the whole thing. Now he's rapping, bro, And I
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feel like he maybe kind of felt like he got a bad look in that
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spotlight being associated with the whole dipset thing, and he kind of was like,
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all right, let me remind these people, you know what I'm saying,
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because he's been dropping more like Little Freeze I was here and there more
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footage of him performance been coming out and stuff like that, so I kind
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of almost feel like it kind of like gave him that look, and he
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used that look to like remind people like who he is, you know what
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I mean? And even that like kind of going on with you, said
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Joe, Like, the only reason Cameron was even able to kind of just
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have this resurgence that he kind of just decided out of nowhere he's gonna have
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because all they said was yo, let's do the show and blow it up.
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And then they did it and it blew up. You know what I'm
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saying so quick before I basically my point with that is, like the only
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reason he was even able to do that is because he's not because he's nice,
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you know, because he was so dope as an artist. He's able
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to kind of come back on the scene and present something else because people are
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gonna respect him as Oh that's Cameron. You know what I mean? Yeah,
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no, And that's a good point. So I follow his production manager
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and the camera dude, and he literally posted this post and he said camera
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said on board, just put the camera on me. And there's a lot
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of rappers who surpassed a rapping career. I want to mention Joe Budden,
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who will say I wouldn't dare rap again, like that's below me and what
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YadA YadA yad. I'm so big, but at the end of the day,
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we want to know if you can still rap. And so for Cam
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to say, drop the camera on me when he just dropped, I used
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to give mine a fast way if I had a badable for pool, I
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got the mass base, stayed inside of the house. Mom. It was
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called a halfway. And it's like so flawlessly. He was brushing his hair.
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He's on set and it's just like yo. Cam was literally a rapper,
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a great rapper, a great flow, a great artist, a great
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spitter. And that's what was like. I underappreciated Cam despite dip said,
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despite juels, despite all the white rhymes, Cam was a great He He
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set precedence. He set precedents when he came in the game and I underappreciated,
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and I'm glad I had one more time. I'm glad with that louted
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crypt I'm glad with that that random clip of him freestyle because all week I
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just been listening to camp yeah man, and I want to like, I
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just discovered a new artist. Y'all have actually told me before to check him
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out. I didn't get around to it. And then shout out to Sean
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Madden He's actually gonna be on the show. He put me on to him,
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and like I've just been riding to his music ever since. Dog Like
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he even gives me kind of like a new like nowadays Cameron type dude,
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you know what I'm saying, Like his style, the kind of stuff he
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rap about, like the consistency, you know what I mean. Like I
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discovered him and I'm going through his library and he got a lot of bangers,
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you know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, And that even kind of
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like put the battery in my back about hip hop, you know what I
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mean, Because like I've been real down about it, you know, the
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last few years, I don't go out of my way to listen to new
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rap, and when I do I'm always disappointed, you know what I mean.
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Everything is always so corny to me. And even when somebody like comes
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out with a with a vibe of like, oh, I'm a real rapper
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and I'm gonna rap for real, like their attempt is always corny to me,
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you know what I mean. And Larry June is one that I listen
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to that I'm like, dang, like, this is a dude that sounds
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fresh. This is a dude that got some dope music. I like what
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he's talking about, and it's just like, bro shout out to him,
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man, Like, it's real hard to break through as a rapper nowadays.
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I feel like, yeah, no, I definitely agree with that, and
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he has a it's a unique style, but it's also, like you said,
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it's just a good hip hop sound, you know what I mean.
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Like I feel like you don't really get that sound as often anymore from the
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standpoint of just like hip hop and its roots, you know what I mean.
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I feel like we've gotten into the pop pop era and he's dope.
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He's dope, Manfinite'll feel do y'all feel that's a West Coast thing because so
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I put him in the line along the line of like Dom Kennedy, who
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else do I thinking about? Nipsey Nipsey Hustle? So like that West Coast
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style, like they know, the West Coast is so supportive of that style
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of music. And it's not it's not current style. It's I don't consider
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it pop. I don't consider it with the times. I consider it just
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the West Coast flow. You're having a picnic, you cruising, you're in
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the low riding, you're playing that kind of music. That's exactly what I
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was about to say right now. I feel like the way they vibe over
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there is different. So the music they vibe to is different. Like you
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brought up Dom Kennedy, Bro, anytime I go to La, anytime I
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go to California and I go to any you know, whatever it is,
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and there's people and anybody's vibeing dog, they're always playing Dom Kennedy and that
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and that vibe of music. Because it's like like you said, Bro,
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like they have they have like little kickbacks and stuff like you know over there
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they do a lot of like get togethers, you know, a party at
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somebody's crib. You know, Like the vibe over there is different. As
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far as like the way they chill, you know what I mean. Yeah,
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somebody my tense from the Barry. I lived in the Berry. My
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fami's still in the Bay Area and that's all they listen to. And there's
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still a lot more artists and mac dre. Like I went to a family
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reunion with my grandmother passed awake, got rest, so we was over there
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and after the whole service, we came back to the crib and it was
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just Mac dre all night. Every single one of my cousins knew every single
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word of that song. And I was like, damn, it ain't like
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this over on the East Side. I don't know if it's I'm not trying
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to say east to west, but it's not like that on the East Side.
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Yeah, now, bro, I feel you one hundred percent. And
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even like I feel like a lot of the get togethers that I do,
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it's like nobody's really nobody really does that out here, you know what I'm
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saying. And to me, it's such a dope vibe. And every time
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I do it, people pull up, people have a great time. They
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always talking about it. They always ask me, yo, when we're doing
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the next one, and it's like bro, Like we could be doing that
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all the time, you know what I'm saying, instead of going, you
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know, going to a place and spend an X amount of money for maybe
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having the time you know, I was about to turn up exactly exactly.
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And I feel like that's like you're saying, Joe, that's that culture difference
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here versus over there. Over here, if you're talking about, yo,
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let's chill, everybody's mind goes to, let's go somewhere where like we're not
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even going to be thinking, you know what I mean, like just loud
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music and everybody's just you know whatever. It's like over there, they're just
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they're trying to vibe, you know, they're trying to chill. Everybody's trying
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to be in the same element together. It's yeah, and I believe that
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music. And that's why, like I attributed to growing up on the West
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Coast till I was ten years old and listened to like a Lighter Shade of
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Brown on the Sunday Afternoon, one of my favorite songs that's still remning to
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this day. Uh. And that's why it's funny my brother in law,
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Junior. Shout out to Junior. He was born in La. He's from
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the West Coast, and when he was looking for random songs to post on
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his Instagram from random things, I sent him crazy Don Kennedy stuff. And
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that's why I like wits Khalif and wisk Leifan had that style when he started
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coming now, he had that West Coast floor, even though he's from Pittsburgh.
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Like he had that like laid back chill, like cruise in. He
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spent a lot of time in La too, like cooking up. Yeah,
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it's a different kind of vibe, man, And it still existed this day,
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no matter what year it is, no matter how much time it goes
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by. I feel that vibe still exists in the West Coast is day.
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Yeah. And and you're one hundred percent correct because even like with music,
22:25
I could tell you just from seeing it, like a lot of times an
22:29
artist will go out there, the music they make out there amazing, you
22:33
know what I'm saying, And then when they try to make music somewhere else
22:36
besides La, it's not the same. You know what I'm saying, It's
22:38
not the same vibe. And not to say that, you know, they
22:41
can't make music anywhere else, but it's kind of like you said, Joe,
22:45
like it just puts you in a certain mood. The people that are
22:48
making the music are already over there, you know what I'm saying. So
22:51
it's like you're already just like locked in like the to the tenth degree,
22:55
you know what I mean. Fact, But yeah, man, we had
23:03
who sent the Cam Newton Charleston White Club? Yeah okayah remember, but yeah,
23:11
I know we had somebody had came across it like it was super interesting,
23:14
man, because I haven't been able to about that, So basically,
23:18
like from I feel like I have a good perspective on it, just because
23:22
I don't know too much about him, and I haven't consumed any of his
23:26
content aside from the stuff that I see, which usually is just the stuff
23:30
that they're gonna pick and choose, you know what I mean. So I
23:33
haven't even like been able to really uh come up with with my opinion so
23:38
much of him. But basically, Charleston White is like online personality, you
23:44
know, somebody that kind of just pops up along the lines of like Drew
23:47
Ski even like six' nine, Like you could almost put him in that
23:51
category of like just like an online personality troll, you know what. I
23:56
mean, was he an artist though, No, he's just like he's just
24:00
like a definitely that's not the artists side. He's just like an older black
24:06
dude. I believe he's from Louisiana. I can't remember. He's a real
24:11
big Boosy fan and he got an accent, kind of like a Louisiana accent.
24:15
Yeah maybe yeah. So he just like he's on some like Uncle Ruckus
24:22
type vibes, you know what I mean. Every time you see the dude
24:25
from Boondocks, like it was like the black dude that hated black you know
24:30
what I mean. So every time you see like a clip from Charleston White,
24:34
he's always on some type of time like that, you know what I
24:37
mean. Like he's always like real talking, real down about black people,
24:41
like always talking nice about how white people are and stuff like that. And
24:45
then I see that, and then I see that clip on the Cam Newton
24:49
Show. So he's on Cam Newton's podcast, I don't know if it's a
24:52
podcast or YouTube show books and Charleston White was on there and Cam Newton basically
25:00
he said, like, Yo, why you be saying the stuff you be
25:02
saying? And then he kind of just runs down a list of things that
25:06
he's done as far as like helping his community, working with lawmakers to try
25:11
to get laws change and stuff. I haven't been able to verify none of
25:15
that, but basically the gist of the clip is when I was doing all
25:19
this stuff and trying to mobilize people to get behind what I was doing,
25:23
nobody cared, you know, when I was just wearing my suit and tie
25:27
going to work with these governors, senators, you know, local politicians,
25:33
like you know, like you have making a change, Like everybody wants yep
25:37
from their culture to do yep, making a change from within. But then
25:41
he was like, the only time I really popped off to bring awareness to
25:45
what I was doing was once I started doing the stupid ignorant stuff. So
25:48
what is that? You know? He's basically saying, like this is what
25:52
it is, Like this is on y'all type stuff. And it's crazy because,
25:56
like we've kind of mentioned it before, but like there's formula that a
26:02
lot of times will work if you follow that formula, you know what I
26:04
mean. And that's kind of what Charleston White is alluding to. Like he
26:08
played this character and used it so outlandishly to gain that popularity to really push
26:15
forward whatever he's his agenda is, you know what I mean, Nobody was
26:18
gonna move him forward or put him in that spotlight if they just recognized him
26:22
from what he was doing in his community, you know what I mean.
26:26
So like that, I just kind of want to like talk about that slash
26:30
dissect that because it's super interesting to me because it's something that we all know.
26:33
It's true, Like it's the car crash thing, you know what I
26:37
mean. Like it's always you know, something kind of like sensationalized that's going
26:41
to make his rounds before anything, you know. And it's sad that it's
26:47
that way, but it is that way. So it's like people are always
26:51
like being in this kind of like dilemma where they're trying to fin out,
27:00
like, oh am I going to move forward in this situation by doing X,
27:03
Y and Z? Or Am I going to kind of stay where I'm
27:06
at because I'm not comfortable with doing X, Y and Z, you know
27:08
what I mean? And I just kind of wanted to get your opinion on
27:12
that because, like I said, like if we're taking what he's saying at
27:15
face value, that he was doing all these things behind the scenes before and
27:19
it took for him to take on this internet character for him to get any
27:25
movement. What do y'all think about that? I mean, I think he
27:30
he did what he had to do. But I will say that he you
27:34
know, there is some truth to what he's saying, but there's probably also
27:38
some I don't know because I've seen you know, I'm not a I don't
27:42
follow Charleston White a lot, you know what I'm saying. But I will
27:45
say, like when I go get my hair locked up, you know,
27:48
and go get my haircut and stuff, like they'll play clips like in the
27:52
in the barbershop. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, he is.
27:53
So I've seen like things he's done, Like I've seen him get into it
27:57
with a dude and have that like like basically like he had like a knife
28:02
on them. He had to slice this dude up, you know what I'm
28:03
saying, like because a black dude came at him or whatever. Like I've
28:07
seen like his antics and like kind of like that side of it. So
28:11
I don't know, Like I feel like, yeah, there probably might be
28:15
some truth to it. You know what I'm saying. He probably had to
28:18
take on this certain persona just you know, he was like cause I think
28:21
he even said, like, I didn't even realize I was funny to the
28:22
internet told me I was funny, you know what I mean. And so
28:26
like, I think there's some truth to it in a sense of like he
28:27
figured out, like, hey, this is what's working. Let me just
28:30
do this, you know what I'm saying, Like even when we're doing the
28:33
music stuff, like you know, we talked, you know, shout out
28:37
to Freddy, you know what I mean. We talked with Freddy a lot,
28:38
and and you know, we try stuff, we see what works,
28:42
we try stuff, we see what doesn't work, and you know, if
28:45
something's working, you're probably going to dive into that. And I think that
28:49
that's kind of what might have happened in his situation. But I mean,
28:53
from what I saw he did, he was like all the stuff that he's
28:56
saying as far as like, you know, him be an active in his
29:00
community. From what I saw in fact check, it was true, you
29:03
know what I mean. So like, you know, I get that side
29:07
of it too, So I don't know, I think there's a little bit
29:08
of h you know, embellishment, you know what I'm saying. When it
29:11
comes to it, you know what I mean. But there definitely could be
29:15
some truth as well. Yeah, And that's why, Like I will discredit
29:22
some people who start in the the ratchet way, in the ignorant way,
29:30
and then try to drop some real shit. It's like, not like I'm
29:33
not looking for you to do that, but for him to start that way
29:37
and then no one pay attention and then go the ignorant way, like I
29:40
wouldn't expect him to even care to reach out to the people who want him
29:45
to start dropping that real shit anymore, you know what I'm saying. Like
29:47
he did that. That was his persona, that was his true persona,
29:51
and for people to pay attention, he had to do that ignorant character.
29:55
And I was like, oh, no, y'all, if y'all listen to
29:56
me, then I don't give a shit Like now, like you said,
30:00
he threw them stats out. He's like chlamydia HIV all the shit I was
30:03
talking about y'all suffering from now and y'all didn't want to listen to me then
30:07
because I wasn't ignorant, I wasn't making jokes, and I wasn't being funny
30:11
about it. I feel him I feel him. But he is quite a
30:17
character though. M m. That's why's true to it? Yeah, yeah,
30:22
yeah, you know Wayne's character for sure in the beginning, but yeah,
30:27
he's it's it's definitely like a curious thing. And that's always like one
30:32
of the one of the things about like this big social experiment type vibe that
30:37
we're on always like fascinates me, Like how like I wonder what somebody like
30:42
that limit is in their head where like that switch change where they're like I'm
30:47
just gonna take this on and claim it to further my cause, you know
30:51
what I mean, Because it's like I think we mentioned it on the show
30:55
before, but like it's like the baby when he first popped off, Like
30:56
the reason why he even was getting on people's radar was because he was at
31:00
some music festival with a diaper on, you know what I'm saying. Like
31:04
he was like, yeah, he was on stage with a dipe, just
31:08
a diaper on. Bro. He came out because he was the baby,
31:11
you know what I'm saying. Before he was the baby, he was baby
31:12
Jesus never came out and he came out in a diaper, bro. And
31:18
then that was like when you got people talking yep, and then he kind
31:22
of blew up after that. Obviously he don't have to do that no more,
31:26
you know what I mean. But that side of him, I knew
31:30
once he blew up then you know, But I don't know. It just
31:33
kind of goes to that point of like, you know what, do you
31:36
want the baby? The baby gotcha? That makes Yeah, It's like I
31:45
don't know, man, I understand what he's saying, Charleston White, But
31:51
at the same time, it's like the route that he went is definitely not
31:55
the route I would have went, you know what I'm saying. But at
31:57
the same time, like who knows if he's making a bigger impact than me
32:01
by taking a route he went, you know what I'm saying, Like the
32:05
end of the day, it's like sometimes it's even a sacrifice on yourself.
32:08
Like maybe he's saying, I don't care if people look at me this way
32:10
because I can do this for others by doing this character, you know what
32:15
I mean. There's like a lot of layers to it that like it goes
32:19
back to like that thing of like bro like we don't know what's going on
32:22
with anybody, Like everybody got their own things. They dealing with and like
32:25
everybody just always assumes that they're the hero and the other person's the bad guy.
32:30
You know, I was watching this thing about World War two, World
32:35
War two in color. I don't know if y'all see that. Yeah,
32:39
I hadn't watched it before, and I was watching it, and it was
32:44
a little part where they were talking to the German soldiers that were still alive
32:49
at the time when they were interviewing them, and basically all of them was
32:52
saying, like, bro, we thought we was the good guys, you
32:54
know what I mean, Like we was going out to war like feeling like
32:58
yo, we about to change the world, Like we about to fix this.
33:00
These people are doing X, Y and Z or evil whatever. But
33:04
it's like one of the forgotten things about that era is like one of the
33:08
big details that Hitler was doing. I mean, one of the key things
33:14
that Hitler was doing was starting that real big heavy propaganda movement, you know,
33:17
where it was like, you know, the movies were making the government
33:21
look good. You know, the radio was making them look good. The
33:23
music even like they was even making artists like make songs like talking about the
33:28
government being good, and like, you know, the military being good and
33:31
everything. So they really just had all the people gassed up and thinking like,
33:35
yo, we're doing the right thing, you know what I'm saying.
33:37
It wasn't until way later and after the whole dust settled that they was like,
33:39
oh wow, like this dude was mad racist and he was really trying
33:44
to take over the world because we wanted everybody to be white with green eyes.
33:47
Like it's crazy, man, yeah, man, But it's funny.
33:59
Man. That's like a crazy like twist of topics because I'm like reading them
34:02
now and thinking about all the stuff we talked about. But somehow it all
34:06
flowed, you know what I mean. But yeah, dog, you already
34:09
know what time it is. People got to understand, all right, y'all
34:15
can hear me? Right? Yeah, that's some people gotta understand about our
34:19
topics, Like we are so improvisational, Like we got maybe two topics max,
34:27
and if we even touch on them, it's a blessing. But for
34:30
the most part, we're just writing and this is just like constant flow of
34:35
thought that we just talk about and we just ride away. And there's a
34:38
lot of people who can't you can't accomplish what we're doing. So it's a
34:42
good thing. It goes kind of back to even like the Larry June music
34:45
and the vibe a bit, you know what I mean, and that kickback,
34:47
chilling kind of atmosphere and stuff like that's like the kind of vibe even
34:52
like these conversations be giving me. And you know, going back touching on
34:57
history again, you think about degree where they had them famous like forums,
35:01
you know what I mean, where people were just kind of gathered to talk
35:04
and talk through ideas and concepts and things like that, and that's the brutal
35:08
stamp Caesar. Hey man, I just I just watched that Roman Empire thing.
35:13
Man was it was one of those things where I'm like, I already
35:15
knew the ending, but I was excited to get to it, you know.
35:21
But yeah, man, it's definitely dope. But it's game time,
35:25
baby, Do we have a record? I was thinking about that the other
35:35
day. I'm gonna have to go back and let's just call it even I
35:38
don't like that. All right, Well, you're gonna have to go roll
35:42
through all the Crimson clips and find out it's in the description so I can
35:45
check them in and just at the end, so I can definitely make sure.
35:49
I think you'all tied, to be honest, that's what I'm saying.
35:52
I think you'll tie if y'all not tied us out by one. Because remember
35:57
Quincy was out that week and I crushed him, so crushed by the fault
36:02
fall. You ain't start a player that week, Quincy. Let's get to
36:07
come out next week though, I've been ready all week. Then you got
36:10
your bike coming up? He got that bike. I got my next week,
36:15
Quincy, I'm putting my starters in. All right, you ready,
36:20
let's get it. Let's try to get this year, baby, go ahead
36:23
and throw it out now. I had the last year, last one.
36:27
First, go ahead, Quincy ninety eight, Go ahead, Joe ninety nine
36:35
one dirt bag? This may hit me with the price is right movie?
36:39
Yo? Yeah, yeah, I coulda take ninety eight oh one? Gets
36:43
you with that? What the technique in January? All right, let's get
36:49
it man. This was actually the week of March tenth, two thousand and
36:52
one, and this hurst one is this Caribbean Inspire song was part of a
37:01
special run from this artist that included a song about getting caught with a side
37:07
piece. Wasn't fucking me? Listen to the question, and I'm gonna tell
37:16
the artists too. I mean, you have to guess the artists first.
37:19
So Shaggy or Ricky Martin, Sean Paul Shaggy or Ricky Martin Shaggy? All
37:25
right, bet so this Caribbean inspire song was part of a special run that
37:30
included that included a song about getting caught with a side piece. So that's
37:36
not the song. Oh, music included that song. So what's the other
37:43
song? Alright, Now he hasn't guess yet, he hasn't. No,
37:52
it's the first time he has a collection of songs there. Now you get
38:00
it the way because you haven't guessed that. I had to read the question
38:01
after you get it. Was the first time you included the description of a
38:07
song. That's not the answer first, it's the stacking, the knowledge and
38:12
the misdirection. I'm going with Shaggy, Yes, sir, Okay, you
38:16
want to hear the thing again. This Caribbean inspired song was part of a
38:22
special run from this artist that included a song about getting caught with a side
38:25
piece. Okay, so that mean show it your my hand. He two
38:43
songs. You already got the first role, get it wrong. It was
38:51
part of that run the answer. God, this just dropped this whole catalog.
39:01
Hey, first of all, you know what you do multiple choice,
39:04
and he said, you pick all the answers that apply. Just another one
39:09
that face and you gotta circle that last. I'm saying, Angel, it
39:14
wasn't me all of the above A and B. There you go. Oh
39:21
my god, Joe got one? Is that your points? No? That's
39:28
one, alright, damn just chill, get to im, have to go
39:34
to the board about this. But don't try to get two points. It's
39:38
cold blooded out here, all right. R This R and B quote unquote
39:45
boy band had a string of hits with this acknowledgment of a relationship ending being
39:53
the center one of the centerpieces. So this R and B boy band was
40:00
a staple of the era and featured Oh my bad, I'm reading the wrong
40:05
one. So this R and B boy band had a string of hits with
40:10
this acknowledgment of a relationship ending being one of the center pieces. So the
40:15
artists are one twelve Jagged Edge or B two K You want to hear the
40:23
question again? Wait, I think I know this one one twelve one twelve
40:34
is correct. What is the song you want to hear the question again or
40:37
you got to know it? Do it? It's over? Now? What
40:42
is your podcast? Yeah? Dropped? Yo, I drought the crazy freeside
40:47
of song? Ready for that? Ye? The freezy? All right?
40:52
So this is the last one, Joe. If you get it, you
40:54
win. If not, this is cancer all right, no timeouts, freeze.
41:01
This is a good this is a good little toughie. And actually it
41:05
surprised me with this position as well, what she said. This RN B
41:09
banger was a staple of this era and featured a rapper with a loud and
41:15
wild style and was centered around oh, go ahead, and was centered around
41:22
the speach no, yeah, I already know, but give me options.
41:27
Case Carl Thomas, We're gonna go shit. I know who the rapper is,
41:36
but which song is it? Give me? To give me to give
41:37
me the think again. This R and B banger was a staple of the
41:42
era and featured a rapper with a loud and wild style and was centered around
41:46
a speech impediment, speech impediment, There you go, okay, And then
41:52
it was Joe Case Carl Thomas, Carl Thomas incorrect Wednesday. Did you want
42:09
either question? Or you got it? Just give it to me one more
42:13
time for good measure. This R and B banger was a staple of the
42:16
era and featured a rapper with a loud and wild style and was centered around
42:22
a speech in pediman Joe Case and Carl Thomas. Well it's not Joe Case
42:30
is sher boy Joe Joe? And what's the song? My friend? Just
42:37
a study of study study stop. They already had a speech of pediment.
42:47
The winner in a freaking shootout is Quintonian Jamal righting the border, I'm writing
42:53
the board. I thought the artists had credit left. I can tell you
43:07
lying because when you're playing saying when you hit that play back, you go
43:12
see it incorrect? My friend, who's who's rapping on a center? Mystical?
43:19
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I knew it was mystical.
43:24
Joking with the challenge flag let's ship out? Who was down in shame?
43:32
Just sound like once he realized, he was like, oh man, I
43:37
was trying to find a way out. I'm trying to find something like that
43:49
game is getting better and better, man, facts better and better. Man.
43:53
You know what we need to do next time? When you put lesser
43:57
in the ringer? Yeah, tell me how to do that. I'll put
44:00
your ass in the ring. I got you, I got you. I'll
44:02
run through how I do it this Saturday, my dog Joe pulling up.
44:09
You hear me. You create a little creative session. And the dope thing
44:15
about it is, I'm going to be wrapping up my Christmas stone and dropping
44:21
that thing asap, so you're only hearing this here until it drops. That's
44:25
the benefit of listening. Yo. You already know I'm gonna be like I
44:36
am wanting to anticipate because I have no idea what to expect. Man,
44:40
that's that's good. I showed it to my wife yesterday. She I sat
44:45
back, like behind the couch here, and she was here next to the
44:49
speakers, listening to it. And I'm watching her like this, and she's
44:53
just like this the whole time, right staring, and I'm like, dang,
44:59
man, I'm really about the way three minutes and someone seconds for her
45:01
to tell me this ship was asked, you know what I mean, Because
45:04
that's just the vibe of like how she was sitting there, and then when
45:07
it finished, she looked at me, She's like, I liked it,
45:09
Oh, I got I was like, dang, bro, I was so
45:13
misleading. Yeah, but I'm definitely hyped to drop that. You got anything
45:20
going on right now, Quintonian Man just trying to wrap up this project.
45:23
Man, I've been dealing with some life transitions and I think I'm reaching the
45:29
back end of that pall, so like, you know, yeah, man,
45:32
I'm handover fist right now. Yeah. He Yo. First of all,
45:39
you know what that means, you guys handle it. No handover fist
45:44
means this guy's yeah, this guys on the grind, getting paid, making
45:50
money, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, facts, facts, definitely
45:52
definitely been grinding it out, so hopefully that'll all get ironed out. But
45:57
yeah, man, it's been a hell of a run this year. I
45:59
know, me and Less both kind of dropped like our little Spotify like year
46:02
end results and stuff like that. So that was really dope. Man,
46:06
It's been a hell of a year. I'm ready for next year to just
46:09
try to you know, get back on it. Man. But like I
46:12
said, the end of this year was a little rough, just real life
46:15
stuff, man. But I'm reaching the end of that little that little rut,
46:20
you know what I mean, So like things are looking good right now.
46:22
Yeah, man, definitely. Like as an artist, you get that
46:24
feeling like if you're not putting out music, you're not doing nothing, you
46:29
know what I mean. And music is one of those things, man,
46:31
Like you got to live a little life even just to like come with a
46:35
new perspective and a fresh take on what you've been doing, you know what
46:37
I mean. And I'm definitely excited to get into that next chapter. I
46:42
actually have a little, a little project idea that I wanted to run by
46:45
you, Quincy. We'll talk about it right when we get off air.
46:47
It's a quick thing. I think it would be kind of dope. But
46:51
yeah, man, you got anything else, anybody got anything else? I
46:55
won't be here next week. If you boys got an episode, hold it
46:59
down for your player. But you know, when we come back, I'll
47:02
finally be back in my new place, in my new studio, in my
47:07
new setup. And I can't wait until the next background y'all see is my
47:10
permanent background. I'm hype we in there, Sure, yes, sir,
47:16
And always remember, as DK would say, inside, stay better.