Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 6) (5/15/26)

Transcript

Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 6) (5/15/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
• 0:04
  In this episode, we're going to die of right back
• 0:06
  in to the Galley and Maxwell deposition, and we're going
• 0:09
  to pick up where we left off. McCauley, in your
• 0:12
  responsibilities and working for Jeffrey, would you book massages for
• 0:15
  him on any given day so that he would have
• 0:18
  a massage scheduled? Would you take a call, for example,
• 0:21
  and book a massage for him. Mister Pagliuca objection to
• 0:25
  the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer that, Maxwell,
• 0:31
  Typically that was not my responsibility. He would either book
• 0:35
  the massage himself or one of his other assistants would
• 0:38
  do that. Maxwell, Like I said, typically it was somebody
• 0:43
  else's responsibility. McCauley. If you were unable to book a
• 0:47
  girl for a massage on a given day, would that
• 0:50
  mean that you were responsible for giving him a sexual massage?
• 0:54
  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and foundation. And I
• 0:58
  instruct you not to answer any question about any of
• 1:01
  your consensual adult sexual activity. McCauley, So you are not
• 1:06
  going to answer that question. Maxwell. You just heard my
• 1:10
  counsel McCauley. Have you ever said to anybody that recruiting
• 1:14
  other girls to perform sexual massages for Jeffrey Epstein takes
• 1:17
  the pressure off you. Mister Pagliuca object to the form
• 1:21
  and the foundation. Maxwell. Repeat the question and break it out. McCauley,
• 1:27
  have you ever said to anybody that you recruit girls? Maxwell?
• 1:31
  Stop right there. I never recruited girls. Let's stop there.
• 1:35
  Now break down the question. McCauley, have you ever said
• 1:39
  to anybody Maxwell, by girls, we are talking about underage people.
• 1:43
  You said girls? Are you talking about underage We are
• 1:46
  not talking about consensual acts. This is a defamation suit. McCauley.
• 1:52
  I'm asking the questions. I know what this case is about.
• 1:55
  I'm trying to I will ask the questions. If you
• 1:57
  don't understand the question, I can break it down for you.
• 2:00
  I'm happy to do that. Maxwell, break it down a lot, please, McCauley,
• 2:05
  I will do that. The question is, have you ever
• 2:08
  said to anybody that you recruit other girls? Maxwell? Why
• 2:11
  don't you stop there? McCauley, let me finish my question.
• 2:15
  Have you ever said to anybody that you recruit girls
• 2:18
  to take the pressure off of you so that you
• 2:20
  won't have to have sex with Jeffrey, have you ever
• 2:22
  said that, that's the question? Maxwell? You don't ask me
• 2:26
  questions like that. First of all, you are trying to
• 2:29
  trap me. I will not be trapped. You are asking
• 2:32
  me if I recruit. I told you no girls, meaning
• 2:34
  underage I already said I don't do that with underage people.
• 2:38
  And as to ask me about specific conversations I had
• 2:42
  with language, we're talking about almost seventeen years ago when
• 2:45
  this took place. I cannot testify to an actual conversation
• 2:49
  or a language that I used with anybody at that time. McCauley,
• 2:53
  have you ever said to anybody that you recruit other
• 2:56
  females over the age of eighteen to take the pressure
• 2:59
  off you having to have sex with Jeffrey Maxwell. I
• 3:03
  totally resent and find it disgusting that you use the
• 3:06
  word recruit. I already told you that I don't know
• 3:09
  what you were saying about that, and your implication is repulsive.
• 3:14
  Now just interject here, imagine this bipedal serpent go into
• 3:19
  the nines here and trying to die on this hilltop. Lady,
• 3:23
  we all know you're a human trafficker, and we all
• 3:25
  know that your answers in this deposition were bullshit PS
• 3:30
  enjoy your time behind bars. McCauley, answer my question, Maxwell,
• 3:35
  I just did McCauley. Have you ever said to anybody
• 3:38
  that you recruit females? Maxwell interrupts her. I don't recruit anybody. McCauley.
• 3:44
  That's an answer, So you never said that. Maxwell. I'm
• 3:47
  testifying that I cannot testify to an actual language. McCauley.
• 3:51
  It's a yes or a no. Maxwell. I will not
• 3:54
  testify to an actual statement made seventeen years ago. So
• 3:58
  I cannot testify to actual language. McCauley. So you won't
• 4:02
  testify to anything. I'm asking you seventeen years ago about
• 4:05
  a statement you made. How do you know it's seventeen
• 4:08
  years ago? Maxwell? We were talking about a time in
• 4:11
  two thousand, right, McCauley. Have you ever said that to anybody? Maxwell?
• 4:16
  I'm fifty four years old. So you are asking me
• 4:19
  in my entire life. What words are you asking me
• 4:22
  in my entire life? McCauley. Your entire life is limited
• 4:26
  by the time you were with Jeffrey. This is the question. Maxwell.
• 4:31
  Let's time limit the question you are asking me. McCauley.
• 4:34
  So from let's say I think you said you started
• 4:37
  with them in ninety two, is that correct? And finish
• 4:40
  with them in two thousand and nine. So from nineteen
• 4:43
  ninety two to two thousand and nine, have you ever
• 4:45
  said to anybody that you recruit others and will start
• 4:49
  with girls to take the pressure off you to have
• 4:52
  sex with Jeffrey? Pagliucca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
• 4:59
  First of all, I resent and despise the word recruit.
• 5:02
  Would you like to define what you mean by recruit girls?
• 5:05
  And you mean underage people? I never had to do
• 5:08
  anything with underage people, So why don't you re ask
• 5:11
  the question in a way that I am able to
• 5:13
  answer it. McCauley, I'm asking if you ever said that
• 5:17
  to anybody. So if you don't understand the word recruit
• 5:21
  and you never use that word, then the answer to
• 5:23
  the question would be no. Maxwell, I have no memory
• 5:27
  as I sit here today having used that word. McCauley,
• 5:31
  did you ever meet an underage girl in London to
• 5:34
  introduce her to Jeffrey to provide him with a massage?
• 5:38
  Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
• 5:43
  run that past me one more time. McCauley, did you
• 5:46
  ever meet an underage girl in London to introduce her
• 5:49
  to Jeffrey to perform a massage. Mister Pagliuca, same objection. Maxwell,
• 5:55
  Are you asking me if I met anybody that was
• 5:57
  underage in London specifically to provide am misa massage to Jeffrey?
• 6:01
  Is that the question? McCauley, yup, Maxwell, No, McCauley, do
• 6:07
  you know who redacted is? Maxwell? I don't recall her
• 6:10
  right now. McCauley, do you know if strike that during
• 6:15
  the time that you were working for Jeffrey, did you
• 6:17
  ever observe any foreign females so in other words, not
• 6:20
  from the United States, that were brought to Jeffrey's home
• 6:23
  to perform massages? Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form and
• 6:27
  the foundation. Maxwell, females? What age are we talking McCauley,
• 6:32
  any age? Maxwell? Can you repeat the question, McCauley, during
• 6:36
  the time you were working for Jeffrey, did you ever
• 6:39
  observe any foreign females of any age that were at
• 6:42
  Jeffrey's home to perform a massage? Mister Pagliuca, objection to
• 6:47
  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, are you asking me
• 6:51
  if any foreigner not an American person gave Jeffrey a massage. McCauley, yes, Maxwell, Well,
• 6:58
  as I sit here today, I can think of anyone
• 7:00
  who is foreign, certainly, I just can't think of anybody
• 7:03
  right the second, McCauley, how about any foreign girls who
• 7:07
  are under the age of eighteen? Maxwell I already testified
• 7:11
  to not knowing anything about underage girls. McCauley. Were their
• 7:15
  foreign girls who were brought to Jeffrey's home by redacted
• 7:19
  for the purpose of providing massages? Mister Pagliuka objection to
• 7:23
  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I am not aware
• 7:26
  of redacted bringing girls. I have no idea what you're
• 7:30
  talking about. McCauley. You have never been around foreign girls
• 7:35
  who are under the age of eighteen at Jeffrey's homes.
• 7:38
  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
• 7:43
  I already testified about not knowing about underage girls. McCauley.
• 7:48
  Did you ever provide assistance with obtaining versus four foreign
• 7:52
  girls that were under the age of eighteen? Maxwell, I've
• 7:55
  never participated in helping people of any age to get
• 7:59
  visus McCauley, did Jeffrey. Was it Jeffrey's preference to start
• 8:03
  a massage with sex. Pagleuka objection to form and foundation. Maxwell,
• 8:09
  I think you should ask Jeffrey that question. McCauley. Do
• 8:13
  you know Maxwell? I don't believe that was his preference.
• 8:17
  I think you have to understand a massage. Perhaps you
• 8:20
  are not really familiar with what massage is. McCauley, I am.
• 8:24
  I don't need a lecture on massage. Maxwell. I think
• 8:28
  you do. Pagluka, no question pending. She will ask you
• 8:32
  another question now, Maxwell, massage is for health benefits. McCauley.
• 8:37
  When did you first meet Jeffrey Maxwell some point in
• 8:40
  nineteen ninety one McCauley. And did Jeffrey know your father? Maxwell? No, McCauley.
• 8:46
  How were you introduced to Jeffrey Maxwell? Some friend introduced us? McCauley.
• 8:52
  Can you describe your relationship back in nineteen ninety one?
• 8:55
  Was it friendship or was it girlfriend relationship? Or was
• 8:59
  it a work relationship? What was your relationship in nineteen
• 9:02
  ninety one, Maxwell? It was just friendly McCauley. Then I
• 9:06
  believe you testified you began working for him in nineteen
• 9:09
  ninety two, Is that correct? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley, in nineteen
• 9:13
  ninety two. I know you gave me the description of
• 9:16
  the work that you were performing for him. How much
• 9:18
  was he paying you? Do you remember, Maxwell, I don't recall, McCauley.
• 9:23
  Do you know, for example, in two thousand and one
• 9:26
  how much he was paying you Maxwell, I don't recall, McCauley.
• 9:30
  Did it change over the years or did the payment
• 9:32
  remain the same Maxwell? I believe over the course of
• 9:36
  time it increased a little bit. McCauley. What was the
• 9:40
  was that payment? The payment that was the payment made
• 9:43
  with respect to the jobs, the work you were performing
• 9:46
  for Jeffrey. Was that your sole income at the time,
• 9:49
  mister Pagliuca, I object to the form. I'm also going
• 9:52
  to instruct you not to answer about sources of your
• 9:55
  personal sources of income outside of mister Epstein at all.
• 9:59
  Ms mccaully, what's the basis for that, Pagluka, it's confidential.
• 10:03
  It's not part of this lawsuit. McCauley. We have a
• 10:06
  protective order and it is part of this lawsuit with
• 10:09
  respect to our damage claims. Mister Pagluka, it's not and
• 10:13
  in fact, you are not entitled to ask financial information
• 10:16
  of a defendant in this kind of case. In a
• 10:19
  defamation case unless and until there is a finding that
• 10:22
  you were entitled to punitive damages that is clear in
• 10:25
  New York case law, both state and federal. Ms. McCauley, Well,
• 10:29
  we disagree on that point, and we will come back
• 10:32
  to that. McCauley, from the source of payment, from the
• 10:36
  source of Jeffrey from your work. Can you gimme a
• 10:39
  range on that? Do you know? Was it over one
• 10:43
  hundred thousand? Maxwell? I just testified that I don't recall, McCauley.
• 10:48
  You don't know if it was five hundred thousand, Maxwell,
• 10:51
  it was less than that, McCauley. Somewhere between one hundred
• 10:55
  thousand and five hundred thousand, would that be fair to say? Maxwell?
• 10:58
  I believe it was between one hundred and two hundred thousand. McCauley.
• 11:02
  Did Jeffrey during that time that you were working for
• 11:05
  him purchase a town home for you? Maxwell? The subject
• 11:09
  of the townhouse is I worked for it, and I
• 11:12
  had a loan. We did loans McCauley so alone through Jeffrey. Maxwell,
• 11:17
  I don't recall the exact transaction. McCauley. Did he purchase
• 11:21
  for you a helicopter during the time you were working
• 11:24
  for him. Maxwell, it was his helicopter. McCauley. When did
• 11:29
  you obtain your pilot's license Maxwell? I believe it was
• 11:32
  nineteen ninety eight or nineteen ninety nine. McCauley. Was that
• 11:37
  for both airplanes and helicopters or just helicopters, Maxwell? Just helicopters. McCauley.
• 11:43
  Have you ever flown redacted and redacted on your helicopter? Maxwell?
• 11:48
  That is another one of Virginia's lives, McCauley. The question
• 11:52
  is have you ever done that? Maxwell? I have never
• 11:55
  flown redacted at any time ever, in any helicopter, in
• 11:59
  any place, any time, in any state, in any country,
• 12:02
  at any time anywhere. McCauley. Have you ever had dinner
• 12:06
  with redacted at Jeffrey's home, at any of Jeffrey's homes? Maxwell? No,
• 12:10
  I don't believe so. McCauley. Have you ever traveled on
• 12:14
  Jeffrey's planes with redacted? Maxwell? Yes, I have. McCauley. Would
• 12:19
  that have been in two thousand and two? Maxwell? It's
• 12:22
  very hard for me to recollect exact dates, but that
• 12:25
  sounds about right. McCauley. Was that during the time that
• 12:28
  Virginia was working for Jeffrey? Maxwell? I don't know that
• 12:32
  Virginia ever did work for Jeffrey. I don't know exactly
• 12:36
  know if she testified to her so called duties. We
• 12:39
  know she is a serial liar, so I can't testify
• 12:41
  to what she did or didn't do, so I object
• 12:44
  to that characterization of her. So repeat the question, please, McCauley.
• 12:49
  Can you read the question back the record's read You
• 12:52
  can answer that question, McCauley says, Maxwell, What was the
• 12:55
  question again, McCauley, when you were traveling on the plane
• 12:59
  with redacted? Was that during the time it was two
• 13:02
  thousand and two that you were on the flight with redacted?
• 13:05
  Was that during the time that Virginia was working for Jeffrey?
• 13:09
  Mister Pagliuca object to the form. Mistates the witnesses answer
• 13:13
  and if you can answer the question, you can answer it. Maxwell. Well,
• 13:17
  like I said, I don't recall exactly when I flew
• 13:19
  with him. I don't recall when Virginia. We know that
• 13:23
  Virginia claims when she left, so I can't answer the question.
• 13:26
  I have no idea. McCauley. Do you know redacted? Maxwell?
• 13:31
  I do, McCauley, how long have you known him? Maxwell?
• 13:35
  A very long time? McCauley since you were a child. Maxwell.
• 13:40
  I really, it's so long. It's a really long time ago.
• 13:43
  I just don't recall. McCauley. Do you remember how you
• 13:46
  first met him? Maxwell? No, I do not. McCauley, did
• 13:50
  you introduce him to Jeffrey Maxwell? That would be another
• 13:54
  of Virginia's lies and the lies you perpetrate. I never
• 13:58
  introduced redacted. I'm getting this is Prince Andrew, by the way,
• 14:01
  to Jeffrey Epstein at any time ever, So just add
• 14:05
  that to the long list of lies. All Right, folks,
• 14:07
  we're gonna wrap up this episode here, and in the
• 14:09
  next episode we're gonna keep the Discuss bus rolling. All
• 14:13
  of the information that goes with this episode can be
• 14:15
  found in the description box.