Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Cynthia Scott: 250 Years After God Founded America
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- 0:00Hi, friends.
- 0:01Today's guest has a brand new book, Celebrating God Our Founder at America's 250th birthday.
- 0:08Explains to all the world that the foundational truth undergirding America's establishment
- 0:14was God's idea.
- 0:16He was at the center of every principle and guideline working through colonists, patriots
- 0:22and ordinary people to establish this one-of-a-kind nation.
- 0:26On their knees before the Almighty, our forefathers waited for God's direction in their fight
- 0:31for freedom from oppressive rule by consistent and passionate prayer.
- 0:36We'll be talking to author Cynthia Scott next.
- 0:40Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
- 0:50defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
- 0:56And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
- 1:01Welcome to another podcast.
- 1:02And thank you so much, brothers and sisters, in Christ for sharing.
- 1:07It continues to grow, praise God, He's driving this thing.
- 1:11Before we talk to Cynthia, I want to give you her website where you can get the book.
- 1:15It goes directly to the book.
- 1:16GodHourFounder.com, that's GodHourFounder.com, you get the info there in the link to Amazon.
- 1:24Cynthia Scott has led prayer initiatives across Pittsburgh and beyond, including citywide gatherings,
- 1:31prayer for national events, and a daily prayer call for the nation.
- 1:36Passionate about honoring God and praying for revival in America.
- 1:41She's written numerous prayer guides and now offers this book,
- 1:44celebrating GodHourFounder at America's 250th birthday.
- 1:50So before we bring her on, happy birthday, America.
- 1:53What a great year, Lord willing.
- 1:55Cynthia, good to see you.
- 1:56Thanks for your time today.
- 1:59Thanks so much for having me on, David.
- 2:00It's great to be here.
- 2:01You're most welcome.
- 2:02So I love the book, love the title, love the idea.
- 2:05And of course, we're so thankful to be such a unique nation that made it 250 years.
- 2:13So before we get to that, I'd like for you to speak about that.
- 2:17But what led you to this, you've written prayer guides and you've kind of been active in that way,
- 2:22just lead us in the process of bringing this book about.
- 2:26I'd love to.
- 2:27I wrote these prayers probably four or five years ago to be used in congregational prayer meetings
- 2:33at our church, Christ Church at Grove Farm in Pittsburgh.
- 2:36And when I got to about the fourth or fifth,
- 2:39one, I realized that God himself was the founder of the nation.
- 2:43He was behind everything.
- 2:45And we have not given him the credit that he deserves, in my opinion.
- 2:48So those prayers, we did that series of prayer meetings praying for the nation out of the
- 2:54history of the nation.
- 2:56And those prayers sat in my computer for several years until just this past spring.
- 3:01And God opened the door to put them into a book, including the history and the prayer in
- 3:07each chapter, a time for the reader to stop and listen to what God is saying to them.
- 3:13And a call to action.
- 3:15I believe that prayer is action and God's end hours.
- 3:19So that's sort of the history of the book.
- 3:22And I am excited.
- 3:23I'm so excited that God opened the door to bring this out right now.
- 3:27I do think that this is the moment as we look back at our nation's history to remember
- 3:32the mighty acts of God.
- 3:34Oh, like I said before we got on the podcast, a perfect timing.
- 3:37I mean, my goodness, 250, you know, that's not a small deal.
- 3:42That's, you know, if could you speak to the fact that most nations in the world don't
- 3:50make it or haven't made it historically 250 years?
- 3:54So this is a huge accomplishment and something to celebrate.
- 3:58That's true.
- 3:59And especially with the kind of freedoms that we have had, our constitution is remarkable.
- 4:05It's remarkable.
- 4:06I don't know that we fully appreciate it.
- 4:08And I believe that our constitution with freedom has made it longer than any other.
- 4:14So it really is a momentous moment in American history, something we should all be celebrating.
- 4:20And we should be celebrating God at the pinnacle of those celebrations because he really is responsible
- 4:26for us being here.
- 4:27Oh, my goodness.
- 4:29You know what, it's, it's not just his sovereignty, right?
- 4:33It is the grace of God and it's not just his sovereignty.
- 4:37He ordains leaders and nations and the Bible speaks to that quite a bit.
- 4:46What we're blessed by is that we know it was kind of miraculous how America even came to be
- 4:51in the first place.
- 4:52And I know you talk a little bit about that.
- 4:55Can we go back to wherever you want to go?
- 4:58You can want to start with the pilgrims.
- 4:59I know you mentioned the Geneva Bible, which they brought over and was at 1599.
- 5:04The Geneva Bible was the first one that actually made it to our shores.
- 5:08Would you like to speak to that for a moment?
- 5:10Well, the Bible was so important.
- 5:13It was their most treasured book.
- 5:16Of course, the early settlers, the pilgrims, especially in Puritans,
- 5:21they came here to worship God freely according to his word.
- 5:24They wanted to live out their faith in every part of their lives.
- 5:29And that's why they made those treacherous journeys.
- 5:31I can't even imagine that now doing that.
- 5:34They made those journeys.
- 5:35They came and it was miraculous at many steps along the way.
- 5:40Just the fact that, for example, the pilgrims did not land in Virginia.
- 5:44They landed north and at Plymouth and they needed to have some,
- 5:48some sort of a document that they could that would govern their civic politic.
- 5:53So they wrote the Mayflower Compact.
- 5:56Ten years later, the Puritans came.
- 5:58They also needed a document and a model of Christian charity is what went through.
- 6:03Their governor put forth so that they and the pilgrims and the Puritans saw themselves as being
- 6:10in covenant with God for this nation and in covenant with one another
- 6:15as fellow citizens and fellow Christians.
- 6:19So there were many moments in our history where God intervened to bring forth this nation.
- 6:26So let's jump.
- 6:27I don't want to run out of time because it's going to go by fast.
- 6:31Before we get to this question, something that our audience, our viewers and listeners most
- 6:38are very frustrated at the fact of our education system, our government run education system,
- 6:43which is not just, well, they're anti-Christian.
- 6:46Let's just put it that way.
- 6:47They're anti-biblical worldview.
- 6:49Chapter three in your book is the Christian foundation of education in America.
- 6:55If someone knew, me, young people today, that's why they don't understand our founding.
- 7:01They don't understand that even the public schools used to teach or allow the Bible
- 7:05and biblical principles, the Ten Commandments.
- 7:08What's in that chapter, if you can give us a little teaser on that?
- 7:11Because it's so important to go back and revisit.
- 7:14It is.
- 7:15And I specifically put that in.
- 7:17I mean, it's not an event in history as some of the chapters represent.
- 7:23More, it's almost bigger than that.
- 7:26Because it is the foundation of how the worldview of colonists was shaped.
- 7:32Our thinking is shaped through the educational process, as you know.
- 7:36And when the Puritans came over in 1630,
- 7:40they did not wait long, 1636, to build the first college, Harvard,
- 7:46and it was built to train up pastors.
- 7:49They really were interested in having godly, well-educated pastors,
- 7:54because the pastors were the thought leaders of their day.
- 7:58They not only taught the people the scriptures,
- 8:01but all of human events filtered through God's Word and through the pastors.
- 8:06So the fact that they started education colleges so soon in America
- 8:13to establish an educational system is incredible.
- 8:18They didn't start, I mean, they started educating their children at home
- 8:22so that they could read the Bible.
- 8:24That's how important the scriptures were to them.
- 8:26They were their very, they were their life.
- 8:28They feared the Lord.
- 8:29And so the whole educational system in America really came out of the
- 8:35desire for the pilgrims and the Puritans to know God through His Word
- 8:41and for their children to know God through His Word.
- 8:44Amen.
- 8:46Yeah, amen.
- 8:46And I'm glad you mentioned Harvard.
- 8:48So let's go there and pick on Harvard a little bit.
- 8:51Pastor John Harvard would not recognize it today.
- 8:54It's not the same institution.
- 8:56It doesn't have a biblical worldview.
- 8:57But they were based on, because I've done some research on this as well.
- 9:00John 173, the goal for their students at Harvard when it was established.
- 9:05You said 1636, right?
- 9:08Yes.
- 9:08John 173, this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God
- 9:14and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
- 9:17Harvard was based on that verse and on teaching the theology in the biblical
- 9:23worldview.
- 9:24I mean, I think the first half dozen or dozen
- 9:27presidents of Harvard were pastors.
- 9:29They were theologians and they were putting out pastors.
- 9:32This is really amazing.
- 9:33You also, since you mentioned the year,
- 9:36I think it was so 1636, about 150 years after that.
- 9:42You know, they kind of started conforming to the world.
- 9:44And they changed their logo, the shield.
- 9:47It had truth for Christ and the church, the three-part shield.
- 9:51Right.
- 9:51That's right.
- 9:52100?
- 9:53Yeah, 150 years after they removed Christ and they removed the church.
- 9:58And so all they have, I think even still today, it's just Veritas.
- 10:03Want to speak to that for a moment?
- 10:05Well, it saddens me.
- 10:07I mean, that's what I think about that.
- 10:09Because it shows a direction that is not the direction of our founding.
- 10:15And that's why I think the book is so important.
- 10:17That's why I think we need to look back and really see the truth
- 10:22of how we were founded as a nation, as a people, as educational,
- 10:28as educational organizations, schools.
- 10:31You know, there were many 106 of the first 108 colleges in America
- 10:38were founded on the Christian faith.
- 10:39That's over 98%.
- 10:41Wow.
- 10:42That's over 98%.
- 10:44And I mentioned, yes, I mentioned that fact in the book.
- 10:47And I'm always, I'm always, every time I say it, I'm stunned.
- 10:51When I look at our educational institutions today.
- 10:55But we need to get back to that.
- 10:57And we do have some great Christian educational institutions
- 11:01that are rising up in our day.
- 11:04Far fewer, far smaller, far far smaller percentage.
- 11:08But we need to pay attention to those.
- 11:10And we need to, and what I really love about their whole quest for knowledge is
- 11:15they saw God as creator and the holder of all wisdom and knowledge.
- 11:21And so they felt like they would seek Him
- 11:24in order to have Him reveal to them the secrets of nature.
- 11:28It makes sense.
- 11:29It seems like the right approach to me, at least.
- 11:32And it certainly did work for our nation
- 11:36in imbuing in our early earliest colonists
- 11:41before they were even citizens, that biblical world view.
- 11:45You know, that God, that that brings blessing quite frankly.
- 11:49That brings blessing.
- 11:50Obedience brings blessing.
- 11:51I talk about that in the book too.
- 11:53Due to Ronomy 28.
- 11:55And we have, we are experiencing.
- 11:58Now I know we're experiencing some turmoil
- 12:00and we have had certainly our, our troubles over the decades.
- 12:04But basically our nation being so free, being so prosperous.
- 12:09We are, we are experiencing the blessings
- 12:13afforded to us by past generations of faithful Christians.
- 12:19So my birthday is April 19.
- 12:21And I notice something, you know,
- 12:25Connecticut's a very blue state.
- 12:27And yet, if you go back to April 19, 1775,
- 12:31you mentioned Connecticut, I guess the governor
- 12:35called a day of public fasting and prayer on April 19, 1775.
- 12:40And a lot of states did that, a lot of governors did that.
- 12:43Which is almost unheard of today.
- 12:44Talk to us about that.
- 12:46You know, that story is particularly
- 12:49compelling to me as proof of God's hand in the founding of our nation.
- 12:54You know, that is the same day and, and, and,
- 12:57and Trump, the governor did not know that when he called for that day a month earlier.
- 13:01But that ends up being the same day that the British and the colonists,
- 13:07you know, start the battle in Lexington.
- 13:10And so we see God in his providence and care for America,
- 13:16stirring his people to pray, knowing God knew that on that same day,
- 13:22there would be the first battle really of the Revolutionary War.
- 13:25How good is our God that he prepares us?
- 13:28I don't believe that the people in Lexington knew that the,
- 13:31that their brothers and sisters in Connecticut were praying for them,
- 13:34and nor could Trump will have known that that was going to be the first day of the battle
- 13:38of the Revolutionary War, that first battle of the Revolutionary War.
- 13:42But God knew and God set his people to pray while the others were fighting for freedom.
- 13:49Cynthia Scott, let's talk about the Black Robed Regiment briefly.
- 13:53And let's talk about Reverend Jonah Jonas Clark.
- 13:57Jonas Clark, Lexington pastor of Christ Church.
- 14:01Go ahead and share that story.
- 14:02It's an amazing story.
- 14:03And then how he was a leader, not only a solid preacher,
- 14:06but what he did to lead men afterwards.
- 14:08Go ahead.
- 14:09Well, Jonas Clark, and there were other pastors like him,
- 14:12but I mentioned him because of the Battle of Lexington.
- 14:15He, and many pastors did this.
- 14:18They, they remember the people in that era were experiencing the tyranny of a king,
- 14:24oppression, right?
- 14:26And they, and, and the pastors, and they had been,
- 14:30I mean, at that, remember what happened before that,
- 14:33the first great awakening with all the preaching that went on about being born again,
- 14:39about being one in Christ, unity, for example.
- 14:42And so they're, they're preaching freedom in Christ from the scriptures.
- 14:47And they're also comparing it to the situation under which they're living the circumstances of
- 14:52being under tyranny.
- 14:54So Jonas Clark was wonderful.
- 14:55He was preparing his congregation to fight for freedom.
- 14:59And he was prepared to fight for freedom.
- 15:02So that day in Lexington, when the British came,
- 15:05they met a Christian population that had been prepared to fight for their freedom.
- 15:11I'm not sure they were expecting it.
- 15:13But this, I want to say the impetus behind this came in large part from the pastors
- 15:19who were preaching from the word that men were, were destined to be free,
- 15:24free in Christ and free period.
- 15:26And the words of our, of our Declaration of Independence,
- 15:30you know, they talk about that too, writes coming directly from God.
- 15:34It really was amazing how God worked through his pastors to prepare the people for the Revolutionary War.
- 15:41Oh, Lord help us raise up bold men of God today.
- 15:45We just don't have enough.
- 15:47There is a remnant in America, Cynthia, just not enough.
- 15:50We've got to take a brief pause.
- 15:51I want to mention the website again, friends, godourfounder.com.
- 15:55We'll be right back on World View Matters.
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- 16:33So author, Cynthia Scott is our guest today.
- 16:36And Cynthia, I often ask in terms of the moral decline in decay in America
- 16:41and in the church, the declining biblical worldview and what's happening,
- 16:45what we see happening in our culture, just the garbage.
- 16:50Evil is being called good.
- 16:51Good is being called evil.
- 16:53People don't know what a man or what a woman is.
- 16:56And I often ask the question, what would our great grandparents think about this time,
- 17:01like in 2026?
- 17:03Well, for you on to direct this question in regards to your book, what would our founders say
- 17:09if they could see America today?
- 17:10Well, what do you think?
- 17:11I mean, we can just imagine, but go ahead and speculate for us a little bit.
- 17:15What would our founders say about the state of the country they established under God?
- 17:22You know, I think they would not be surprised because they saw tyranny before.
- 17:27We, they saw, they lived in a very critical, pivotal moment in their own nation.
- 17:35So they were not strangers to the kind of division,
- 17:40the threats that we face.
- 17:42They were living under tyranny.
- 17:43We feel as though we're facing tyranny, right, from many directions.
- 17:48So I don't think they would be surprised.
- 17:50I think they were very wise men and women.
- 17:53Many of them, I think of Abigail Adams, an amazing Christian woman and had great influence
- 17:58over her husband, John.
- 18:00I think they would be happy that they established our founding documents in the way that they did.
- 18:07And they were not, they also were not strangers to decline.
- 18:13There had been decline in the nation right before the first great awakening.
- 18:17So they, and they did not trust man.
- 18:20They trusted God.
- 18:21That's why we have checks and balances in our system of government.
- 18:25That's why they, they made, they went to great pains to make sure that there would not be a
- 18:30single ruler and that our country would be based on laws, not the whims of men.
- 18:37So in some ways, I don't think they would be surprised.
- 18:39And I think they would be glad that they created the system that they did.
- 18:43Very interesting perspective.
- 18:45I didn't quite think about that because I'm thinking about my grandparents or great-grandparents.
- 18:49They would be shocked.
- 18:51They wouldn't think they were on earth or they wouldn't think they were in America
- 18:55anymore if they could see what's happening today before.
- 18:57I mean, if you think about they grew up in the early 1900s and all my or the late 1800s.
- 19:01So I want to talk to you about briefly, will you have you share
- 19:04about the word providence and how that's misunderstood today or divine providence?
- 19:10Go ahead.
- 19:11Well, divine providence means the hand of God that on his people,
- 19:16you know, benevolently, right, guiding them, looking over them.
- 19:19And providence, the divine providence also refers to God himself.
- 19:23That's a term that they use at the time of our founding,
- 19:27that we don't use, right?
- 19:29We don't use that term today in general language.
- 19:32I believe that, you know, when people look back and especially those who are more
- 19:37anti-Christian, who want to remove God from our history,
- 19:41they fail to mention that word of divine providence as being equal to God.
- 19:46Sometimes they'll say, well, God has had mentioned or Jesus has had mentioned.
- 19:49But he really was mentioned.
- 19:51I think what we fail to understand is how replete
- 19:56with biblical worldview and opinions that time was,
- 20:03the morals of the Bible were commonly accepted by everyone as being necessary.
- 20:08It's so different than today.
- 20:11Our forefathers lived in a time, I mean, they had been steeped for 150 years
- 20:17in biblical worldview and they just come out
- 20:20of an amazing, great awakening.
- 20:22George Whitfield was heard.
- 20:23They say by 80% of the population heard the gospel.
- 20:26That's amazing.
- 20:27Many people heard him more than once.
- 20:29So they lived in a different worldview.
- 20:32We live very much in a secular worldview for the most part,
- 20:35at least in some circles, have the country at least, right?
- 20:38And it was different back then.
- 20:41So they pull it out of context and therefore we don't get the accurate history.
- 20:47My, let's talk about the biggest, one of the biggest lies in America,
- 20:54the separation of church and state, so-called separation.
- 20:59And what it means to a lot of people today is the separation of Christianity,
- 21:03not other religions, but Christianity and state.
- 21:06So how do you respond to people who say faith and government should remain completely separate?
- 21:13Well, in terms of the governance of the church that is correct,
- 21:18the state has no business governing the church.
- 21:21That is what our forefathers meant by the separation of church and state.
- 21:25Remember, the king of England was not only in charge of the nation,
- 21:29he was in charge of the church and they felt oppression from that,
- 21:33not just civically, but from a religious standpoint.
- 21:37So they were adamant that there would be no state involvement in the church.
- 21:43However, they did not for a minute think that Christians would not be part of the government.
- 21:49It's similar to the Old Testament.
- 21:52You know Moses ran the nation of Israel and Aaron was the head of the Levites, right?
- 21:58He was the head of the priests.
- 21:59Both of those leaders followed God, but the state was not in charge of the church
- 22:06and the church was not in charge of the state.
- 22:08That's what they meant by that.
- 22:09But they always felt that a people that had the kind of freedoms that we have
- 22:15would have to be immoral people.
- 22:16Otherwise, we would just dissolve into anarchy.
- 22:20We see that in some sense.
- 22:21Yes, yes, we do.
- 22:23And those words aren't in our founding documents.
- 22:26The separation of church and state that you can't find that anywhere.
- 22:30We are told in scripture to be salt and light, to be influential, to be
- 22:36to live our faith out loud, not just behind church walls.
- 22:38But I know I'm preaching to the choir Cynthia.
- 22:40I want to get two more questions in.
- 22:43What divine moments from America's founding most inspire you.
- 22:48I know you've probably got dozens, but give us one or two.
- 22:53Sure.
- 22:53First of all, let me just say that the fact that there are so many proves the point
- 22:59that God himself was involved, not only at the inception of the nation,
- 23:03but bringing it all the way through and the chapters run through the emancipation
- 23:07proclamation because God was involved.
- 23:09It was the church that was involved in so involved in freeing the slaves and not everybody had
- 23:14freedom until the emancipation proclamation.
- 23:17Talk a little bit about American exceptionalism and prosperity.
- 23:20But so it all throughout.
- 23:22But as we look at the time of the Revolutionary War, just after the Declaration of Independence,
- 23:28George Washington is a perfect example.
- 23:31He had been prepared for this moment as the general of the continental army.
- 23:35By God himself, he never was shot during all the time of the French Indian War.
- 23:40Two horses shot from underneath him.
- 23:43His coat was full of bullets.
- 23:45He even wrote to his brother that it was divine providence that had spared him
- 23:49when his fellow soldiers were dying around him.
- 23:52Later, 15 years after that French and Indian War, a very old and wise Indian chief,
- 23:58sought him out when Washington was on, I think it was a surveying mission,
- 24:02and said, I want to meet this young warrior that his,
- 24:06his braves who were excellent marksmen could never hit.
- 24:10And he said that he was protected by the divine spirit.
- 24:14And this, this old Indian chief went on to prophesy and say that he would be
- 24:19the leader of a great empire.
- 24:22And certainly that is exactly what happened.
- 24:24Washington became the leader of the greatest nation.
- 24:27I believe that the world has ever known.
- 24:29And it's his life is miraculous.
- 24:32The way God shaped him is miraculous.
- 24:35He had a praying mother, and I want to shout out to all those who,
- 24:39who pray, all those parents who pray diligently for their children.
- 24:43The effects of those prayers go far into the future, far beyond what we could imagine.
- 24:49That's also why prayer is included in every chapter of this book.
- 24:53Because this book is meant not only to have us remember
- 24:57the mighty acts of God in history, but to engage with him
- 25:01in the moment, to use our agency as Christians,
- 25:05to come before the throne of God, to impact the future.
- 25:08This is the opportunity that God puts before us right now.
- 25:11And this is the kind of experience that I'm hoping
- 25:14that we will all have as we celebrate this 250th birthday,
- 25:18a really deep and meaningful experience.
- 25:21So Cynthia, the nation has changed and not in a good way.
- 25:25We've done so much good for the world America has.
- 25:29But if we look at things today from the biblical perspective,
- 25:32it doesn't look good. How do you respond to those who say,
- 25:35America's best days are behind us?
- 25:39Well, I would like to take us back to the pilgrims again,
- 25:42because they lived in covenant with God a two-way agreement.
- 25:46There were those in the early 1700s that thought that God was dead,
- 25:50you know, basically in terms of society.
- 25:53But God, he brought the first great awakening
- 25:56after our, and then we had this amazing birth of a nation,
- 26:01and we experienced prosperity, and we experienced
- 26:04tremendous spiritual decline after the revolution.
- 26:08But God again, in the beginning and towards the middle of the 1800s,
- 26:13brought about the second great awakening,
- 26:16birthing the missionary movement, birthing the freeing of the slaves,
- 26:20and a lot of Christian organizations that went on to do great good in our world.
- 26:27So I am not discouraged, because God has not changed,
- 26:31even though we have, even though we've declined.
- 26:33And it's true, and you know, we just face it head on.
- 26:36But when we cry out to God, he tells us,
- 26:39if we return to him, he will return to us.
- 26:42So our hope is in the God of covenants,
- 26:46that covenantal relationship that we have with him.
- 26:49And if we as Christians, I really believe this,
- 26:51we'll do just what two chronicles 714 says, humble ourselves, seek his face,
- 26:56turn from our wicked ways, and that he will forgive our sins and heal our land.
- 27:02Amen. And that is something we need to live by here in America, friends.
- 27:06It's not over yet. God still has us here.
- 27:08And we're here for a reason for his purposes, by his grace.
- 27:13And I'm so thankful for this book and for you, Cynthia,
- 27:17celebrating God our founder, GodOurFounder.com is the website.
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- 27:28Cynthia Scott, God bless you.
- 27:29Great interview. Thank you so much for your time.
- 27:32Thank you so much. Great to be with you.
- 27:35Friends, praise God.
- 27:36Thanks for sharing the podcast.
- 27:37Bless you and to keep speaking the truth about things that matter.