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Kevin Spacey's creepy response to teen sex assault charge: 'Let me be Frank' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: after all, we shared everything you and I. I told
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  Speaker 1: you my deepest, darkest secrets. I showed you exactly what
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  Speaker 1: people are capable of. I shocked you with my honesty.
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  Speaker 1: But mostly I challenged you and made you think, and
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  Speaker 1: you trusted me even though you knew you shouldn't. So
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  Speaker 1: we're not done, no matter what anyone says. And besides,
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  Speaker 1: I know what you want. You want me back. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: what I want is you to stop shoving your hand
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  Speaker 1: down people's pants. That's actually really what I want, And
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  Speaker 1: I really want to find out the truth behind the
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  Speaker 1: stories of now nearly thirty people that claim superstar Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Spacey sexually assaulted them. Listen if you don't believe this
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  Speaker 1: one guy, which I actually do, the teen boy at
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  Speaker 1: the car club in Nantucket that was the bartender. Listen
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  Speaker 1: the old Vic Theater in London, where he was working.
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  Speaker 1: Spacey was working for a couple of years, had to
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  Speaker 1: open a hotline for all the people complaining about Kevin's
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  Speaker 1: Spacey mistreating them. Okay, you know there is strength in numbers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're all telling the truth, but there
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  Speaker 1: is strength in numbers. At some point you gotta say,
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  Speaker 1: are they all lying or is it just Kevin Spacey lying. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you just heard actor Kevin Spacey's YouTube video quote let
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  Speaker 1: me be Frank, and it seems that space is reprising
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  Speaker 1: his role of Frank Underwood in the Netflix series House
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  Speaker 1: of Cards. I don't know, but there ain't no coinkie dink.
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  Speaker 1: There is no coincidence. In criminal law, he dropped this
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  Speaker 1: video right as felony charges of sex misconduct were announced.
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  Speaker 1: What an all star panel. Dave Max, syndicated talk show
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  Speaker 1: host Karen Start, renowned York psychologists, joining us from Manhattan.
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  Speaker 1: Judge lawyer Ashley Wilcot found at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
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  Speaker 1: And Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert author of Blood Beneath
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  Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon. Now that's certainly something I want
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  Speaker 1: to cuddle up to at night, blood beneath my feet
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  Speaker 1: and Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Dave Mac. Dave
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  Speaker 1: Macnow keep your opinions out of this. Just don't be
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  Speaker 1: jealous at Kevin Spacey as it found you at a
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  Speaker 1: bar and stuck his hand down your pants. Don't be jealous.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Let's try to keep a clear head about this.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with the case at hand. Okay, forget all
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  Speaker 1: the so called similar transactions. That hurts me as much
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  Speaker 1: as it hurts you, Ashley Wilcot. We both have sons
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  Speaker 1: and the last thing we want is one of them
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  Speaker 1: to be on the job and get sex molested. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Let's just start not with all of the other guys
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  Speaker 1: that claimed this happened to them, okay, because we don't
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  Speaker 1: really know all those facts. Although last night I did
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  Speaker 1: make a huge flowchart for today, Let's start with the
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  Speaker 1: case at hand. We don't even, all right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: know the victim's full name, but we do know who
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  Speaker 1: his mother is. His mother is an on air TV personality.
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  Speaker 1: She's a newscaster in her neck of the woods. Her
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  Speaker 1: name is Heather Unrue. She's the one that's been doing
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  Speaker 1: the talking for her teen boy because he has been uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's just say us all sex attack victims are has
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  Speaker 1: remained anonymous, although I'm sure everybody knows who he is.
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  Speaker 1: Start at the beginning, Dave Mac, tell me what happened,
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  Speaker 1: according to an alleged victim. All right, Heather Unru's son
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  Speaker 1: was eighteen years old and he was actually a bus
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  Speaker 1: boy in this restaurant bar in Boston. Eighteen boy, Yes, man,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen year old? You can you can work at a bar,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Willcot, you're the juvenile judge. How can a teen
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  Speaker 1: an eighteen year old work at a bar? I didn't
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  Speaker 1: think they could drink till they were twenty one? Is
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  Speaker 1: that wrong? Well, no, they could work as bus boys
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  Speaker 1: though they can work there, even though they can't drink
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  Speaker 1: until twenty one. They could absolutely work there. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: a number of eighteen year olds and young kids I
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  Speaker 1: call them, even though they're not under the age of eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: worked there as bus boys. As a matter of fact.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. Although I said I wasn't in
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  Speaker 1: talk about it, I just want to point out that
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  Speaker 1: I've try investigated. Dave Mac, first of all, ask you
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  Speaker 1: thank you for that, because I didn't know that. My
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  Speaker 1: forte is felonies, not misdemeanor, under age working at a bar, crimes,
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  Speaker 1: But they're they're important. I'm not belittling those crimes. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just not as familiar with them as I am with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, murder, rape, child molestation in Arson. But question.
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  Speaker 1: I was reading and studying all the other claims, and
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  Speaker 1: many of them were eighteen to twenty years old that
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  Speaker 1: worked in bars and restaurants. I'm just pointing out that
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  Speaker 1: that is a very strong similarity in these cases. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac back to Unrus and Son, go ahead, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And there's a whole lot of other similarities too, but
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  Speaker 1: just staying with this one. Heather andru Son eighteen years
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  Speaker 1: old at the time this happened. He was working and
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  Speaker 1: met Kevin Spacey, was a bit star struck. After he
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  Speaker 1: got off work. Kevin Spacey, because he was a celebrity,
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  Speaker 1: was buying this eighteen year old alcoholic drinks at the bar.
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  Speaker 1: Over a seventy minute long period, he consumed a number
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  Speaker 1: of alcoholic beverages and that's when the assault allegedly occurred.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey stuck his hands down the pants of this
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  Speaker 1: eighteen year old boy after he applied him with enough
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  Speaker 1: alcohol to render him not able to put much of
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  Speaker 1: a fight. H Dave Mac. I want to go to
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Joseph Scott Morgan, as he has corrected
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  Speaker 1: me on multiple occasions. Joseph Scott Morgan, you hear what
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  Speaker 1: Mac just said that he applied him with drinks. You
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  Speaker 1: have a change son about this age. And you know
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  Speaker 1: I've said, well who can make you drink? Well, think
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  Speaker 1: about it. If your son and I don't know who
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  Speaker 1: his you know, idol might be other than you and
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  Speaker 1: his mom. Of course, you know, maybe if my son
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  Speaker 1: saw you know, he just watched aunt Man, all right,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if he saw aunt Man, that actor or or
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  Speaker 1: somebody he knows from TV. We watched Murdoch Mysteries. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: if he saw William Murdoch, he would sit there and
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  Speaker 1: you know, just go along. I can just see this kid,
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  Speaker 1: well eighteen and Spacey Bienham one drink after the next,
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  Speaker 1: and he just says they're playing the piano and they're
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  Speaker 1: all sitting around having a good time, and he's texting
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend saying, hey, look I'm a Kevin Spacey. Can
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  Speaker 1: you just see that unfolding Joe Scott Morgan. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: can you know, particularly at eighteen, your starstruck this guy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Spacey has been well, he's eighteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: Spacey's been in his life this entire time in the media,
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  Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's a famous actor, I mean
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  Speaker 1: and a damn good actor too. You know, you look back,
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  Speaker 1: but it's hard to see separate, you know, reality from
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  Speaker 1: that fantasy world. You know, I don't really know. Did
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  Speaker 1: you just say d A M N potty mouth? Oh me? No? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I know, now, okay, So what about that what he's saying?
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark, New York Psychologists joining us. You can find
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  Speaker 1: her at Karen Stark dot com. Karen, I mean grown adults.
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  Speaker 1: And remember Jackie's waving her arms. That means she's right
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  Speaker 1: the kid, I'm saying, the kid he's eighteen. You know,
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  Speaker 1: my dad was half way across the world on a
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  Speaker 1: navy ship at that age. But but he's eighteen. He
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  Speaker 1: did lie about his age because he thought he'd get
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  Speaker 1: in trouble for his drinking. All right, so can you
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  Speaker 1: see him going along with Kevin Spacey? I mean really
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  Speaker 1: at that point, what what harm was there? You know,
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  Speaker 1: they were singing, they were drinking. Spacey was buying him drinks.
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  Speaker 1: Can you see that? I see it. But it's wrong, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: It's just so wrong, and that he has decades of
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  Speaker 1: the history of doing this thing, the same kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing happening with kids who are star struck, and they
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  Speaker 1: are kids because they are not developed, They're not developed
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  Speaker 1: to the point where they can deal with that. They
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  Speaker 1: really can't make those kind of judgments. They can't make
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  Speaker 1: those kind of calls. And as you can tell through
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  Speaker 1: these stories, people were not approaching him just because he
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  Speaker 1: was a star. He was allowed to get away with
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  Speaker 1: it for so long. And that's what Richard Dreyfus, his son,
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  Speaker 1: says that it happened to him as he was rehearsing
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  Speaker 1: lines with Spacey in Spacey's apartment with his dad, Richard
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  Speaker 1: Dreyfus there, and the dad didn't know about it, and
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  Speaker 1: the son says he was too embarrassed to ever say
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  Speaker 1: anything and thought nobody would believe him. That's one of
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  Speaker 1: the similars. But what I'm talking about is can you
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  Speaker 1: just see a kid going along with it? A team
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  Speaker 1: he's with Kevin Spacey and he lied about his age
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  Speaker 1: because he knew me wasn't supposed to be drinking. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to what the mom
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  Speaker 1: Heather Unrace is. Spacey stuck his hand inside my son's
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  Speaker 1: pants and grabbed his genitals, and my son's efforts to
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  Speaker 1: shift his body to remove Spacey's hand were only momentarily successful.
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  Speaker 1: The violation continued. My son panicked, he froze, he was intoxicated,
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  Speaker 1: and Kevin Spacey was insisting that he come with him
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  Speaker 1: to a private after hours party to drink even more Fortunately,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey left briefly to use the bathroom, and when
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  Speaker 1: he was out of sight, a concerned woman quickly came
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  Speaker 1: to my very shaken son's side and asked if he
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  Speaker 1: was okay. Obviously she had seen something and she knew
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  Speaker 1: that he was not. She told him to run, and
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  Speaker 1: he did. Of course, some believed everything and had just
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  Speaker 1: been waiting with bated breath to hearm he confess at all.
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  Speaker 1: They're just dying to have me declare that everything said
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  Speaker 1: is true and that I got what I deserved. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: that be easy if it was all so simple? Only
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  Speaker 1: you and I both know it's never that simple. Not
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  Speaker 1: in politics and not in life. But you wouldn't believe
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  Speaker 1: the worst without evidence, would you? You wouldn't rush to
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  Speaker 1: judgments without facts, would you? Did you? No? Not you?
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  Speaker 1: You're smarter than matter anyway, all this presumption made for
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  Speaker 1: such an unsatisfying ending, And to think it could have
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  Speaker 1: been such a memorable send off. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 1: and I have learned nothing else these past years, it's
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  Speaker 1: that in life and art, nothing should be off the table.
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  Speaker 1: We weren't afraid, not of what we said, not of
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  Speaker 1: what we did, and we're still not afraid because I
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  Speaker 1: can promise you this. If I didn't pay the price
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  Speaker 1: for the things we both know I did do, I'm
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  Speaker 1: certainly not going to pay the price for the things
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do. Wow, Okay, if you really listen to
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  Speaker 1: those words, they pack a punch. Arrogant you are hearing
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  Speaker 1: actor superstar actor Kevin Spacey's self created YouTube video quote,
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  Speaker 1: let me be Frank. He's apparently in character as the
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  Speaker 1: role he played in the Netflix series House of Cards,
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  Speaker 1: a Frank Underwood with his fake Southern accent, which early
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  Speaker 1: irritates all of us who really truly do have a
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  Speaker 1: horrible Southern accent. But that aside the words I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, judge lawyer, Ashley. You know, sometimes I feel like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen it all, you know, after all the cases
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  Speaker 1: I've tried and what I've seen done to people, victims,
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  Speaker 1: infant children, women, But this one is it's a conundrum.
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  Speaker 1: It's I like to say to the children, it's a
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  Speaker 1: mystery wrapped in a conundrum, shrouded an intrigue. And because
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  Speaker 1: what was he thinking this video that he dropped? And
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  Speaker 1: I watched it almost all the way through, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't take it anymore than I forced myself to
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  Speaker 1: watch the whole thing. It's so smug. It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: look at me instead of at that. Look over here,
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  Speaker 1: not over there, look at my video, not at the
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  Speaker 1: charges just filed against me. And the words are really
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  Speaker 1: mocking what's happening in court to what could be a
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  Speaker 1: real victim. Yeah. So Number one, Nancy, I can imagine
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  Speaker 1: that his attorneys probably would have advised him against dropping
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  Speaker 1: this video. Number two, why why, why? Here's the irony
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  Speaker 1: to me? He actually his attorney's filed the motion that
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  Speaker 1: he not have to appear in person at arrayment, that
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  Speaker 1: they appear on his behalf So here's someone who's saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to create a big public spectacle by
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  Speaker 1: coming to court. But on the other hand, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: drop a video that I know millions of people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna view. That's bizarre. I mean, he's in a character
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  Speaker 1: from a show. He was in that piece. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he is shooting himself in the foot even further. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: don't judge me, Dave Matt. But I didn't never see
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  Speaker 1: House of Cards? Jackie, did you see it? Okay? She
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  Speaker 1: says no, and I do. We watch almost exclusively on demand,
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  Speaker 1: except we usually watch Amazon. But we have been watching
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  Speaker 1: some Stranger Things all right, which I think is on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see House of Cards, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who that character is, Spacey's character. I mean, really, it's
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  Speaker 1: all I can do to get up every morning at
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  Speaker 1: five or thirty and get the twins to school and
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  Speaker 1: work and blah blah blah blah, and then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, it's you know, it's the end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what happened? So tell me what is House
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  Speaker 1: of Cards? And what is the role that he plays?
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  Speaker 1: Dave Matt. The House of Cards is a political thriller
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  Speaker 1: where Kevin Spacey's character, Frank Underwood, is the President of
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  Speaker 1: the United States and he's evil. He killed, he killed,
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  Speaker 1: and just terrorized people to get to that position. And
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  Speaker 1: then after the story broke, this very successful House of
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  Speaker 1: Cards Netflix series actually was put on hiatus and then
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  Speaker 1: they went ahead and filmed a sixth season without Kevin Spacey.
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  Speaker 1: They killed off his character and then wrapped the whole series.
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  Speaker 1: Huh okay, So they ended the whole series after this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing broke. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: there are actually some people involved in the cast that
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  Speaker 1: have made accusations similar to the story that we've heard
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  Speaker 1: about the other thirty accusations against Kevin flow chart, because
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  Speaker 1: there are tons of people. I hear you lapping in
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  Speaker 1: the background. Alan Duke is with me, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking back, and there are so many claims. Let's see,
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  Speaker 1: eight House of Cars employees have made complaints. Twenty they
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  Speaker 1: are specifically accusing him of misconduct. Over twenty people came
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  Speaker 1: forward at the old VIC Theater. As of today, Alan,
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  Speaker 1: you watch House of Cars, tell me tell me about
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  Speaker 1: his character and how in the world did he think
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  Speaker 1: dropping this video is going to help him. Well, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, the character of Frank Underwood got away with everything.
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  Speaker 1: That is until in real life Kevin Spacey stopped getting
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  Speaker 1: away with everything and they killed him off and he
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  Speaker 1: was tossed out of the White House and his wife
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  Speaker 1: took over as president. But anyway, I think he made
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  Speaker 1: this video because Frank Underwood was so smart he could
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  Speaker 1: get away with murder literally, and so maybe maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: his defense that he's Frank Underwood. And guys, if you
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  Speaker 1: don't know this already, Kevin Spacey was pulled over for
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  Speaker 1: speeding on his way home for according to TMZ, he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't make it home from his alleged sex assault case
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  Speaker 1: fast enough. He has been busted speeding. That's apparently the
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  Speaker 1: very latest that we're hearing. I don't know all the
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  Speaker 1: details on that, and we're trying to get to the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of that. But so that's a character he played
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  Speaker 1: in Frank Underwood. Dave Mack, I know we've wandered for
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  Speaker 1: a field, but can we go back to the claim itself?
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  Speaker 1: So the mom says a woman came up to her
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  Speaker 1: son and said, of you, okay, And another witness apparently
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  Speaker 1: describes him as white as a sheet and shaken looking
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  Speaker 1: like what. I don't know if that's the booze or
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  Speaker 1: if that's what happened to him, but I want everybody
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  Speaker 1: to just pause for a moment and imagine if this
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  Speaker 1: happened to your teen girl. Take that in for a moment.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's another case, Dave mac where at least one,
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  Speaker 1: maybe two or three where the alleged victim ran that
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  Speaker 1: it ran and he in the bathroom at a bar,
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  Speaker 1: left ran to get away, that the attacks were so forceful.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened after the woman comes up to him
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  Speaker 1: and says, are you okay? Well, he actually did flee.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he was shaken. Spacey goes to the bathroom
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  Speaker 1: and Heather unrue Son left the building. One of the
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  Speaker 1: things you mentioned early on was that he was texting
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend all along the way. And yesterday in court,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey's attorney asked for the judge to make the
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  Speaker 1: prosecution keep up with all of the transmissions that evening
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  Speaker 1: and for the next six months, because they claimed that
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  Speaker 1: at no point in time did Heather unrue Son ever
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: indicate to anyone what was going on. But I want
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to point out something. The groping happened after about an
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: hour of the two sitting and talking together. He had
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey had really, in an hour long period of time,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: gotten this kid drunk and was really warming up to him.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: That's when he put the move on him. When it
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: rocked this kid's world. And thankfully Kevin Spacey had to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: go to the bathroom because if not, we don't know
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: what could have happened. Hi, Nancy Grace here, have you
• 20:12
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• 20:17
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• 21:24
  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Well, of course they're gonna say,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I'm being disrespectful, not playing by the rules like I
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: ever played by anyone's rules before. I never did. And
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: you loved it anyhow. Despite all the puppycock, the animosity,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the headlines, the impeachment without a trial, despite everything, despite
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: even my own death, I feel surprisingly good and my
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: confidence grows each day that soon enough you will know
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the full truth. We'll wait a minute now that I
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: think of it. You never actually saw me die, did you?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Conclusions can be so deceiving. You miss me? Okay? I
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: was holding out a reasonable doubt until I heard that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I know I don't miss you. Yes, I liked you
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a lot in American Beauty. After that, you know, I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: just I can't speak to that, but I know about this.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: That was a very ill timed video that Kevin Spacey made,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: apparently in the six million dollar mansion in Baltimore or
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: owned by his close friend where he's been holed up
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: for some time. We are learning in the last hours
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that Kevin Spacey has had another run in with law enforcement,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: just hours after he appears in court on sex assault charges.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: The actor was pulled over for speeding near the Ronald
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Reagan Washington National Airport, says a person with Metropolitan Washington
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Airport's authority. Spacey was in the driver's seat, was not
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: given a ticket, and we know he's been staying in Baltimore.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: He was joined by his lawyer, Alan Jackson, who was
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: in the passenger seat. He was given a verbal warning
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: not to speed. Now. TMZ was the first to report
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: this and actually got footage of space in a black
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: suburban Ford getting pulled over by two officers. I don't
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: know how TMZ is always everywhere everywhere, but I know
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: one thing. I never traveled to Lax without three pair
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of dollar try sunglasses stuck in my shirt. Okay, because
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: they are everywhere. That Harvey, I mean, he is like
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: audit now, I want to get back to what's happening.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: We were playing you a clip from his self created
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: video where he plays Frank Underwood, a character that was
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: killed off in Netflix House of Cars. After these allegations surface,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: but I want you to hear the response to this.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: This was done before he dropped the video. This is
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the alleged victim's mother, TV personality Heather Unribe. In July
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, actor Kevin Spacey has sexually assaulted my son.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: It happened late night inside the club Car, restaurant and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: bar on Nantucket Island. The victim, my son, was a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: star struck, straight eighteen year old young man who had
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: no idea that the famous actor was an alleged sexual
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: predator or that he was about to become his next victim.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: My son was not of legal age to drink alcohol.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: He told Kevin Spacey that he was of legal age,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: but whether he was over twenty one or not, Kevin
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Spacey had no right to sexually assault him. There was
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: no consent, and when my son was drunk, Spacey made
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: his mood and sexually assaulted him. You're hearing Heather Unrude,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the alleged victim's mom. Let's talk about what happened in
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: court yesterday. It was being carried live on so many outlets.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Ashley Wolcott, juvenile judge and lawyer. From your perspective, I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: thought the judge did a good job. He really kept
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: it short and sweet. No playing to the cameras as
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: we see so many judges do when they're on camera.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: You know, nothing like that, no joking, blah blah blah.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just cut and dried. There was
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: no real preferential treatment. Although Spacey got to come in,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: he didn't really have to wait because you know, Ashley,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: when I would handle pleading arrayment calendars, there'd be one
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people on the calendar and you sat
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: there and you waited till your case was called. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: believe me, I was going as fast as I could. Okay,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: but he got to come in. He did get a
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: little curb service, but that really didn't bother me because
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: he had actually tried to wave appearing. But under Massachusetts law,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you must appear in person the first time after you've
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: been charged. That's something you can't wait. The judge did
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: wave his next hearing, which is on March four at
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: eleven am. But how did you think explain what happened
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: in court, Ashley Wilcot. Okay, So, first of all, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: agree he was treated like most defendants are treated, which
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: is appropriate aredless of fame and fortune. They need to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: be treated the same across the board. And so number one,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the fact that the judge said, no, you do have
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to appear. You cannot waive your presence at arraignment. It's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: just like other criminal defendants. So that's good. I agree
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: with you. He showed up. Of course there was a circus.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Of course, there were people watching him get out of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: his car. Of course there needed to be precautions to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: ensure that, you know, it didn't become like he did
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: get curb service. Well, that's good because they wanted to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: reduce the circus as much as they could. The judge
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: was very forthcoming, very direct arraignment, as you well know
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and for all our listeners, is are you entering a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: plea of guilty or not guilty? The charges against you
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: are read, and that's all that ever happened. So it
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: was short and sweet by the book, and that's what
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: happened in Kevin Spacey's case. What do you think legally,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: asking wellcott will happen next? So legally, now that he's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: denied the charge, he is going to have to proceed
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: along the legal system, which is okay, we've had arraignment.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: There's going to be indictment, there's going to be another hearing,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a trial set and a trial
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: court date, and he then has the options that all
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: defendants have. You can either negotiate an inter a plea,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: or in the alternative, you go to trial and he
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: would have to be prepared to defend his case and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: in a nutshell. To Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert author
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet Joe Scott, much has been
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: made of an alleged cell phone video that the boy
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the team took during the incident. A lot of people
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: are going, Wow, it must not have been that bad
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: if he could take a video of it. But I mean,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: he's with Kevin Spacey and he's taking this video a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: little it's no more than a few seconds. People are
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: arguing it shows nothing. Some people say it shows everything.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: We haven't seen it yet, But what do you make
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of that evidence? In the judge's order that all cell
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: phone and electronic data be preserved for quite a period
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of time, from the time around of the incident, around
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the seventh of July on several weeks, what do you
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: make of that? Yeah, I think that it's significant and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they want to be able to analyze it from a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: criminal investigative standpoint, and also they don't want this thing
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: getting washed out. I think if I remember, this was
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a Snapchat video that he had sent to his girlfriend
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: at that particular time. I like, no one else has
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: actually seen this thing yet, but I can only imagine
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: seeing some of these snapchat videos that my college students have,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you know, put out, and they'll show me periodically. The
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the you know, the composition of these things as questionable.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Many times you can't make a lot out of it,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: but we'll see. Listen to this, okay, mister follow this
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: complaints charges that's in the town of Nantucket on July eighth,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Did commit indecent as soft and battery on
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: person fourteen or rover Sir, if you're if you charge
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to another offense, well, this matter is open. You could
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: be held for a ninety days without bill. Mister Day
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: request beyond the bill, wanting any beyond the bill and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: warning your honor the cam Walter's requesting that mister Stacey
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: or did you stay away and have no contact with
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the name victim and his family? All right, certainly the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: court will impose those conditions. Anything additional, no judgement okay,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: all right? Um so um no, no, no requests in
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: terms of um movement or staying within the United States.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Anything's required by the court judge and as a report
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: required by the Probation Department. Our all your requests simply
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: specifically is the stay away okay? All right? Well those
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of you the conditions then, um sir, you'll meet with probation,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: You'll sign those conditions. Uh, You'll You're required to stay
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: away and have no contact direct or indirect with the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: alleged victim. I know what you want. Oh sure, they
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: may have tried to separate us, but what we have
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: is too strong, It's too powerful. I mean, after all,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: we shared everything, you and I. I told you my deepest,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: darkest secrets. I showed you exactly what people are capable of.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I shocked you with my honesty. But mostly I challenged
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you and made you think, and you trusted me even
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: though you knew you shouldn't. So we're not done, no
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: matter what anyone says. And besides, I know what you want.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You want me back. Well, actually I can't say to enough.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: That's really not what I want. I want to know
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what happened that night in the club Car Bar in Nantucket,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Massachusetts in July with an teen boy you just heard
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: after Kevin Spacey's YouTube video Self Creative called let Me
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Be Frank, which indicates he's playing the part of Frank Underwood,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: his character or in a Netflix series House of Cards
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: where he is an evil politician. To Alan Duke joining
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: me from La Alan, you are a House of Cards?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: If he Sionado explained to me again, what's so compelling?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Why did everybody love Underwood? Well, he was the villain
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that you were rooting for because he was so interesting.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was killing people, he was corrupting the government.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: He was just the worst politician you could ever think of.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: But for some reason, I found myself hoping that he
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: would not be caught so that the story could continue.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And I do hope the story continues. I know Dave
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: said he thinks the series is over, but I'm pleading
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Netflix bring it back, not with him though, not with
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: frankin thank you for using this platform. Too big for
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a Netflix series, I have to binge on it. Okay,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: all right, you know what I remember when I gave
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a speech to a group import Huron and I was.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: It was right on the Canadian border, and I was
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: begging somebody I didn't know who would hear me, for
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: them to hurry up and release the next Murdoch mysteries
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: because you have to wait in the US to get it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Because it's Canadian. You can only get it if you're
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a brit or a Canadian. So I feel your pain, Alan,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: But right now I'm trying to get to the bottom
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: of this case. David Max, syndicated talk show hosts joining me. Dave,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: now tell me about the other complaints. You've got about
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: eight to ten on the set of House of Cards,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and you've got about twenty at least in London, throughout England,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: actually not just London. In my flow chart, let me
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: get that thing back out again. I tried to mark
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: where they were all coming from, you know, because that's
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: kind of matter regarding similarities. I can't even read some
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: of my writing, but it was out and about. They
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: were in London. I think I'm writing Liverpool in some
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: places in his New York apartment at the old VIC Theater,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: out and about. Are you familiar with the case with
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Richard Dreyfus's son, I am, and in reality the cases
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: for Kevin Spacey all started with Anthony rep the act.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: He was fourteen years old of the time. I think
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: it was in nineteen eighty six, and he was on
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Broadway in a play and he was enamored with Kevin Spacey,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: as so many others were. And Anthony Rapp at fourteen,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: ended up back at Kevin Spacey's apartment in New York City. Now,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: he came forward at the height of the Harvey Weinstein accusations,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and that was what he said. That's why he came out,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and he gave a very big statement. That's when Kevin
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Spacey actually sent it. What did Anthony Rapp, then fourteen
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: years old working I guess on a movie with him,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: what happened? He claims that he went to an apartment
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: with Kevin Space's apartment where they drank. Kevin Spacey made
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a move on him, he rebuffed him. He ended up
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: sleeping on the couch in Kevin Space's apartment. But when
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: he woke up the next morning, Kevin Spacey was on
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the couch with his arms draped around Anthony Rapp. That's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: when he woke up. He said he was shocked and dismayed.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Anthony Rapp was fourteen years old at the time. It
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: was hold On, Hold On, Karen Starr. That is what
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I do not want. I do not want to wake
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: up in an unknown apartment with some guy's arms that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I've never met before, just barely know, wrapped around me,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: with his head on my stomach. I don't want that. No,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of course you don't want that, Nancy. But think about
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the fact that if you were fourteen, what makes the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: season worse is that here's a predator who's arrogant about it,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: who's actually saying when he released that video, that you're
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: going to side with him. Oh, he could get away
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: with anything because he's so interesting, and he used his
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: celebrity to actually spin this web and track all of
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: these young people. And it didn't matter male or female,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: because this even a girl who came forward who said
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that the same thing had happened. All right, Nancy. One
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: of the things I want all parents to hear in
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: this case with the eighteen year old and Kevin Spacey
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and any other victims out there, is eighteen year old
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: brains are not fully developed. They're not going to make
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: good sound decisions. But this eighteen year old admitted in
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: his victim's statement that he drank a lot, often to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the point of blacking out. It does not excuse her
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to fend Kevin Spacey's behavior at all, or alleged behavior.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: But I am going to say this, parents, pay attention
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to what your children are doing to help educate them
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: about how to avoid situations where they may be a victim.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking, Dave Mack at all of these
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: names and configurations I wrote down. You've got Anthony Ratt
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that you just mentioned. Robert Cavasso's an actor there at
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the Old vict Daniel Beak, if Mike can read my writing,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that was in London, and I have that he was
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a teen bartender at the West Sussex Hotel that he
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: claims Spacey gave him an expensive watch to stay quiet.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Justin Davis, a sixteen year old in a high school
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that he gave alcohol and allegedly showed gape horn too.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Mike Evan bought a thirty five year old military advisor
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: on this set of Outbreak that his producers solicited him
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: for a rendezvous. He said no. Harry Dreyfuss, then eighteen,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: a filmmaker then in his thirties, got groped According to him,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a twenty year old bartender in London who went to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a party got groped and took his girlfriend and left
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: an anonymous twenty year old It looks like I have
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: London written another anonymous New York artist that was then
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: a child actor fourteen at the time. I mean, it
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, but where will it end?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Listen to this space He stuck his hand inside my
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: son's pants and grabbed his genitals, and my son's efforts
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to shift his body to remove Spacey's hand, we're only
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: momentarily successful. The violation continued. My son panicked, he froze,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: he was intoxicated, and Kevin Spacey was insisting that he
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: come with him to a private after hours party to drink.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Even more fortunately, Kevin Spacey left briefly to use the bathroom,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and when he was out of sight, a concerned woman
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: quickly came to my very shaken son's side and asked
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: if he was okay. Obviously she had seen something and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: she knew that he was not. She told him to run,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and he did. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: crime story, signing off good Bye friend,